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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 5 (02:13):
Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday here at News Talk CB
and that's me Peak wolf Camp, the resident builder, here
to spend the morning, the early morning with you to
talk about all sorts of challenges, opportunities, dilemmas that you
might have when it comes to your DIY projects, or
your building projects, or potentially some repairs and maintenance that

(02:37):
you might be trying to undertake. Had a number of
conversations with people this week around the whole thing around
maintenance and around particularly what happens when you defer the maintenance.
And there's always the challenge that in the maintenance is
always going to cost money, There's no doubt about that.
And then you go, okay, so how much money do

(02:58):
I have at hand that I can spend on maintenance?
How do I feel about spending that money? Given that
money's tight at the moment, you could spend it any
number of places, and so putting it into your property,
putting into the house. And I'm not talking about extensions
alterations that are to enhance the value of the property
or simply to make it a bit more livable for

(03:21):
you in terms of you know, I would like a
better bench top, therefore I'm going to change the kitchen
type thing. I'm just talking about those core maintenance tasks
that are I think essential to ensure that the building
continues to perform, that it keeps the weather out, that
it keeps you dry, that it keeps you warm, those

(03:41):
sorts of things, and then when you delay it, what's
the impact of that as well. So we can have
a bit of a chat about those sorts of things,
but more importantly, we can just talk about whatever is
on your mind. So if you've got a question about materials,
about products, about methodologies, new technologies in construction, maybe it's

(04:01):
one of those things that because there is such a
wide variety of choices to be made when you undertake
these projects, and even in terms of the materials. And
I had a funny thing, not funny, actually was a
bit frustrating this week. I've been doing some painting and
I got I had a new brush hanging up in
the workshop that I'd never used, and I thought, ah,

(04:22):
I'm doing some sort of top coating in oil base.
Oh grab that brush because it's a brand new brush
and that will make the job easier. Anyway, I was
disappointed by the brush. I know that's a small thing
to talk about, but it was like, did I get
the right brush? For that type of job, and if
I had the right brush, would that job have gone better?

(04:46):
I mean, I was going to say the paint works okay,
but it's not as good as I think it could
have been if I had a better brush. Ah. But
that's the classic, isn't it. A workman never blamed their tools.
So I'm not going to go down that path. But
I am going to go and buy a different brush
on the way home after the show this morning. So
join me eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We can

(05:07):
talk all things building, construction, ideas, tips and tricks, challenges
that you might have, some ideas, and lots of changes
around legislation without a doubt. So there's haven't started to
hear too many of the political parties where one hundred
days out from the election apparently or thereabouts, in which

(05:28):
case you know, election promises, ideas changes are going to
come thick and fast from various political parties. I haven't
heard too many at the stage about what they'd like
to do or change or some ideas around affordability, apart
from the labor person the other day said they'd like
to see house prices come down, so that'll help with

(05:50):
affordability radio time for your calls. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call if you tuned into
Roman Show last night, Roman Show last night. Around the
one hundred year celebrations, I think today is officially the
day that news Talks He'd be went to end for
the first time as an entity or on EDB as
it would have been back then on the ninth of

(06:11):
August nineteen twenty six. So it kind of feels good
to be doing an early show on the one hundredth
anniversary of Newstalk SeeDB or the origins of news Talk
SeeDB today as well. Join me. Oh wait, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Lines are
open and we can rip straight into it. Alistair, A

(06:34):
very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Good morning, Baked, my happy birthday.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Do I well, not necessary to me because certainly I
wasn't around one hundred years ago, but look, I think
it's right funny. I was in with Tim Beveridge yesterday
and with Wilhelmina O'Keefe and we were talking about it going.
You know, I think it's worth marking something that is
as significant, and that's that's one hundred is a long time.

(07:01):
But also any organization, you know, building businesses survive a
hundred years, or construction firms or you know, building supply meage,
any business that lasts one hundred years is worthy of
acknowledgment and celebration. So I'm delighted to be here today.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Yeah exactly. And you know, like after listening to here,
they were shut down with the radio waves at certain
times and stuff in the very early days was actually
pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Anyway, how better.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Like for like, when it comes to say, you're redoing
your bathroom for arguments sake, you're going to reline the walls,
you're going to put the vanity back where it is,
toilet stone where it is, you're throwing out a bath
and if you were just replacing it with a shower, yep,
is there enough to constitute like for light, so you

(07:57):
don't have to throw money at the council for no
good reason because we pay them plenty years it is.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
I certainly understand your sentiment. The only thing that would
trigger the requirement for a building consent in the work
that you're describing is if you opted for a tiled shower,
like a fully tiled shower. So if you go for
a pre made shower. Essentially you can substitute the bath

(08:27):
which has probably got a shower over it anyway, for
an off the shelf unit. And I was chatting with
a guy who's involved in that space the other day.
They'll do custom made sizes too, So it used to
be that you could only get you know, seven fifty
by seven fifty or nine hundred by nine hundred whatever,

(08:47):
but now you can actually get them made to suit.
So yeah, if you go for a pre form shower,
you're not adding any number of sanitary fittings into that space.
You're not changing a window, for example, in terms of
the width of a window. You're using all of the
right people, so licensed plumber, that sort of thing. Yeah,

(09:09):
I think all of that workers repairs and maintenance as
opposed to a new build right.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
And then what about kitchens fall under of someone like
head A Gray, do they yep?

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yep? Again broadly speaking, so you know, And the other
thing is, of course, any work that you do, even
if it doesn't need a consent, still needs to be
done in accordance with the building code. And that's fine,
I think. I know I often remind people of that
because I think sometimes people go, oh, because it doesn't

(09:41):
need a consent. Therefore, I can you know, cut corners
or not comply with the code. So you know, in
terms of waterproof areas, splash protection, all of those sorts
of things still need to be done in accordance with
the code. But if you've got a kitchen that's reached
end of life and you want to replace it and

(10:01):
you're not making significant changes, you're not pulling a wall
out for example to do it or anything like that,
even that you can do in certain circumstances, then yeah,
that's all able to be done essentially as repairs and maintenance.
And that's set out and schedule one of the act.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, and then that's sue. If you want to wrap
the job off and put insulation in your walls, theoretically
you've got to get consent.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
You do need to consent for that.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we're trying to make their houses former
and they just want to a head cost to you.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Although interesting last week, and I've done a little bit
of reading around this, but last week I was at
the Passive House conference and one of the guys who
was speaking is a guy called Jason Quinn who runs
Sustainable engineering out well Wellington, and he was talking of well,
there was lots of discussion around adding insulation the you know,

(10:54):
we all know that insallation is a really good thing.
Putting it in and not being aware of what happens
to moisture and so on inside a wall can actually
lead to negative outcomes. And I think that's the reason
that government haven't shifted and said, yeah, well something like
that that seems quite straightforward should be able to be
done without necessarily requiring a consent. So it's so in

(11:18):
some cases, you know, and there's there's plenty of evidence
of this. Now, someone will add insulation into a wall,
build up into a typical timber framed wall, and because
they don't have any vapor barrier on the outside, any
moisture that was in that wall that used to be
able to drain can't and so it stays there and

(11:40):
you get rot and mold as a result. So insulation good,
mold not so good. But the insulation actually causes or
contributes to the arrival of the mold. So that's that's
why there are rules around if you're going to do it,
we need to know that you're going to do it properly.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Yeah, and like that, I am doing that, and I'm
putting strapping paper, and so I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
That to what there is. Yeah, and look, I fully
appreciate it. And I always thought that one pathway forward
would be to go, Okay, you can do you can
retrofit insulation into existing exterior walls, but the work has
to be done or supervised by an LBP in the
hope that LBPS would be of a suitable standard to

(12:25):
be aware of what the issues are and ensure that
you don't have an unintended consequence. That's not the case
right now, but I would have thought that's a straightforward
pathway forward.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah, hey, thanks very much. I hope this birthday cake.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, that's a very good point to on. Looking out
at the moment, I don't see any so I'll have
words with the buses. I appreciate that ideal. Best take care.
See alistair bother there you with new Stalk seid B.
It is coming up nineteen minutes after six on the
ninth of August, which happens to be the anniversary the
one hundredth anniversary of the arrival of one SEDB as

(13:08):
it would have been known back then to the airwaves.
In New Zealand, well certainly in Auckland anyway. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty will continue that challenge and tradition.
Today we'll take a short break. We'll be back with
Jeff after the break.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the resident Builder with Peterwolfscamp and Independent Building Supplies the
Future of ken We Building Today News TALKSB.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Indeed News Talks their B and Jeff a very good
morning to you.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
Good morning Pete. He just a question about consenting as well. Sure,
I have some renovations of being done in my house
and it came to the pre line inspection the other
day and our inspector came throu was happy with most things,
and then he noticed in our walk through laundry a

(14:01):
cupboard that had been built. And it's a registered licensed
builder that's been doing everything and in accordance with everything,
so there's no problems about the shoddy workmanship. And he
said that's not on the plan. It will need an
alteration to the to the plan. And the builders that

(14:22):
have said to him, well, it's in accordance with it's
not outside of any building zone or code or whatever
you call it. And he said, oh, no, it the
needs a.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Whatever you call it, the a minor variation or an AMENDMN. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
And then you know, once that adds on, that's like
a three thousand dollars plus cupboard once it gets redrawn
and then resubmitted. And all I was doing at the
time is I said to the builder, I said, look,
that's a that's quite a big bench in there. What
don't we put a linen couple in there instead? So
the benches that had twelve hundred now instead of twenty

(15:02):
five hundred.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
And the cupboard that was it was just a bit
of framing jibbed on both sides, hang a door on
the front into an existing space.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Yes, yes, And and it was just that it wasn't
shown on the plan. It wasn't. It wasn't. So it
was nothing to do with the well say, nothing to
do with the pre line. It was that the house,
you know, the house was being expected for pre line,
for all the the insulation and the right fittings and
fixings around the place. And so anyway, basically I don't

(15:35):
know now whether to sort of go back to them
and say, hey, you know, as the homeowner and the
homeowner of the council inspector at the time said, well
they should the homeowners doing the work, he should expect
to have to pay the cost. And the builder, who
is trying to become you know, quite diplomatic with the guy.
I didn't want to have an argument with an argument. Yeah,

(15:58):
but you're stand there with your mouth open. So do
I have regress?

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Do you think a couple of quick questions is anything
in that?

Speaker 8 (16:06):
So?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
I presume it's a laundry space that was already there
in the building because you're doing a renovation, aren't you.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yeah, has been moved, but the wall's internal walls have
been moved. That's in accordance with what the plan says,
except for the one cupboard.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Right. The reason this gets a little bit finicky is
so that on your building consent, the room where that
cupboard is is part of the building consent because you've
moved a wall, right, So you've your building consent would
have covered all sorts of alterations and changes to the building,

(16:45):
including moving a wall in what we're now calling the
laundry Yep, that's right, in which case the room is
included in the building consent. And so because it's not
as per the consent I can see. My initial sort
of thinking was when you said, look, he want through

(17:06):
and he saw that we'd built a cupboard in the
corner of a room I'm going My first thought was, well,
if that room's not included in the consent, right, because
typically what you do is you submit a floorplan in
a renovation for the entire house, but because you're not
touching every single room of it, it's highlighted that these
areas are what's being covered by the consent. So anything
outside of that, if the inspector happens to walk past

(17:29):
it and go, oh, I don't think that's compliant to whatever,
you can generally push back and say, actually, that's not
part of the consent, it's existing, right, And but this
room was part of the consent because the walls move,
so it's a different shape. And then where you once
had let's say, an eighteen hundred long bench, you've gone, actually,
it's more practical, let's make it twelve hundred. Put a
six hundred cubod at the end there, and you've framed

(17:52):
it up in timber and you've jibbed it, and therefore
it's a wall as opposed to you know, if you
hadn't made it, let's say out as an MDF cupboard
or a Maltik cupboard or something like that, he probably
just would have looked at it and said, okay, you've
put different units in as opposed to building a wall.
The other thing is, I would have thought that that

(18:15):
should have been because there's two pathways to compliance in
this One is a minor variation, the other is an amendment.
I don't think this justifies having to be submitted as
an amendment. It should be able to be provided to
the inspector on the next visit as a minor variation.

(18:35):
And so yes, you will need to get your architecture
or drafts person to redraw it showing that it's there.
It's got no bracing in it, it provides no additional support.
It's not intersecting any brace walls or changing any existing
bracing that's there. So just get him to draw it
on the plan and submit it as a minor variation.

(18:56):
And if the inspector says no, no, no, I can't
process it as a minor variation. It's got to be
an amendment. That's what I would push back on. I
think that sort of thing they should be able to
do as a minor variation and envy on site. And
if for whatever reason the inspector says no, you can't,
I would then take it up with their team leader

(19:18):
and go, hey, look, let's be realistic here, right. There
is nothing about that wall or that little petition that
relates to the overall integrity of building. It doesn't impact
on anything apart from the fact that it's slightly different
to what was drawn on the consent and it is
minor and that's what minor variations are designed to pick up.

(19:41):
So that will reduce your cost. And I think the
minor variation processing fee I do know it might be
hundred and fifty bucks. But it shouldn't go through as
an amendment because typically what happens with an amendment is
once you submit an amendment, you can't get any inspections
until the amendment has been processed. And if council are
under pressure or slack you choose which one you want

(20:03):
to use, then it might take weeks to process an amendment.
And it's not it's not worthy of being an amendment.
It's a minor variation.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
Well, I just know that the inspector the builders are
very careful with them. They don't.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, I know, I know, and I understand why, because
you know, that builder's got to go on to another
job and potentially deal with that inspector again. And I
guess there was a time. There was a time years ago,
And when I say years ago, i'm in like ten, fifteen,

(20:39):
twenty plus years ago where you know, inspectors would come
out on site, you'd discuss something like this, you'd look
at it, and they'd just go, I'll sign it off right.
There seems to be a different setting in terms of
liability and responsibility and so on. And I've heard it
reported from a lot of builders, and I don't want

(20:59):
to be that old grumpy guy that goes out. Look
back in my day, we just used to have a
chat with a building inspector and we get on and
do whatever we want it. You know, That's not what
I'm talking about. But I've heard too many stories recently
where you know, good trades people with really good reputations
are running into situations where potentially the inspectors, you know,

(21:22):
just really being obstinate or unhelpful, or maybe being unhelpful
and obstinate because they just don't have a full understanding
of the building process, and they're just looking at it's
not what's on the plan, therefore it's wrong. Well, you
know there's a little bit of there is wiggle room
and something like that, and I think what you're describing

(21:44):
you've added, you know, two little partitions to an existing room.
It's made zero difference to the critical things about the building. Right,
will the building still perform, Yes it will. Has it
impacted on water proofing, No it hasn't, you know blah
blah blah blah blah, all the things that we want
the building code to protect us from. You haven't interfered

(22:06):
with they of those things. So I would have thought, yeah,
I get that because of the building, that space is
on the consent, you've changed it. Therefore they want to
record that. I get that. You can't argue with that, right,
but it should only be a minor variation, Thank you
very much. I would go down that path, and I
feel you builders pay all the best, vote, take care

(22:30):
you and news talks. There'd be eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Look, I want to be really, really upfront.
I've I've never had a confrontational approach to working with
building inspectors. You know, council inspectors come, they have an
important role to play. But I've always expected the relationship

(22:52):
to be collegial, and I've I've also always expected the
relationship to be two professionals talking about you know, their
their profession and their their theres set of skills and
so on. So I think in this instance, I think
if you know the building code and you know your

(23:15):
regulations and so on, I think it's quite healthy if
there's some dialogue between builder and building inspector, and you'd
like to think that you know, building inspectors will be
open to Yeah, okay, I understand that this is a
small change and here's a pathway forward and helpful in
terms of finding solutions. And look, my own experience has

(23:37):
been over many many years of doing inspections or having
inspectors come and walking through with the set of plans,
you know, going for a pre wrap inspection or a
postline inspection or whatever inspection it is. And for new
consents these days, it's about thirteen inspections that will be
undertaken by council inspectors. That it's got to be collegial

(23:59):
and it's got to be you know, we both hopefully
have a shared objective, which is a good building at
the end, and how do we help each other get
to that point? And I have some sympathy for building
inspectors that turn up to sites where you know, the
quality of the work is poor. People lack understanding, they
lack knowledge. They are in some cases reliant on the

(24:21):
building inspector to tell them how to fix it because
they don't know how to do it. So I can
understand their frustration from that point of view, but it
should be in my opinion collegial. We'll take short break.
We'll talk to Marian straight after the.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Break, begting what they've forgot to mention on that YouTube
video The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building
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Speaker 5 (24:49):
There be certainly that previous conversation with Jeff triggered a
bunch of texts, which is interesting Morning Peak. That's it's
definitely a minor variation every day of the week. As
an inspector myself, I would accept the owner drawing the
additional wall on the plan, sign it off with no
further issues. One thing to remember next time a Section
forty five A of the Building Act states the minor

(25:10):
variation does not need to be on a prescribed form
for the situation to allow. Really appreciate you texting that through.
I'll go and have a look at what section forty
five A means. Typically, when I've submitted minor variations, I've
just downloaded the form from the council website which has
got building consent, who it is, what the address is,

(25:30):
the DP number, and that sort of thing, and then
got the architect or the architectural designer to draw me
up the alteration attached to copies of that. Next time
the building inspector comes back, you hand that over, we
both agree that it's within the realms of a minor variation,
and it gets signed off. I didn't realize that it
doesn't actually have to be on a prescribed form, but look,

(25:52):
they're available, so why wouldn't you grab one? But thanks
very much for that, Really appreciated Pete. Why should we
walk on eggshells with a council just because we may
disagree with a pragmatic view. The builders should be able
to disagree without fear of an outcome. I hear what
you're saying. I think it's one of those things where
you know, maybe in a small town or maybe you know,

(26:13):
reputation is important. Right. So if you've got a reputation
as a builder of being difficult to deal with and
always confrontational and in their face and all the rest
of it, and potentially some of that for not good reason,
well you will potentially find yourself failing. It adds way

(26:35):
to my argument, I think that there should be an
extension to the LBP classes for carpentry that at the moment,
if you are an LBP and you've got your carpentry license,
there's just carpentry one. I think there should be carpentry one,
two and three, and that there's how we provide that

(26:57):
pathway to go from carpentry one to carpentry two or three.
I've got a couple of ideas about that. I'll leave
that for now, but that should be there, right And
then I think when you know inspectors come, they might
know that actually if I'm dealing with a carpentry two
person or a carpentry three, maybe they'll have a different
attitude talking with them. Part of that kind of makes

(27:20):
sense to me, and part of it doesn't anyway. It's
a work in progress on my part. But licensing, I
think it should change. I think we should have carpentry one,
two and three a couple of other quick tests. Hey, Pete,
we've got an old building which is being used as
a kid's sleep out. The roof is just tin, which
is in good order, but the only lining something that
looks like a thick cardboard. How can we add insulation

(27:42):
from the inside without touching the existing tin? Look Bill,
if that's a habitable space, I could sleep out. The
issue is underneath the tin. Is there any roofing underlay?
Because if there's not, a condensation that collects on the
underside will just drip down onto the insulation, even if

(28:03):
you were able to put someone from the inside. So
if there is no roofing paper there, I personally think
that the only thing to do is to remove the iron,
put the roofing paper on the underlay, and then replace
the roofing iron. Anything else is going to be a
really big compromise. We'll come to a couple of other
texts in just a moment, right, Oh, Marion, good morning, Oh.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
Good morning. Hello, We're getting out our place, stripped out, recarpeted,
marine painted. The electrician came the other day and took
out the ceilings stand in our bathroom and discovered it
they hadn't even been vented outside to the fine and

(28:48):
is putting a new one. And I'm just going to
put in a bit of jib and paint around it.
But the other question I had for you is you
often hear adverts for the for the've got I forgot
the name of it now, the.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Shower shower dome.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
Yeah, there's any need for them if I've got a
new sand that's being ducted outside.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
I look, I know people who have put them in
and they go. They're really good because what they do
is they cover the shower area. They stop the steam
rising because the steam just hits the underside of it
forms condensation drips back down inside the shower, and so
it would also keep the shower enclosure a little bit warmer.

(29:42):
I guess what they don't address is the rest of
the moisture that's in the bathroom, right, So I would
always favor extraction over anything else. And if in your case,
you've already had the fan installed, what you want to
do is make sure that it's the right size that
the ducting has a pathway to the outside, whether that's

(30:05):
directly through the roof or across the ceiling and out
through the safit. Yeah, great, Okay, Well that's a really
good solution. I think, if possible, if the electrician is
still available, I think add a run on timer to
it so that when you turn it off and you
leave the bathroom, that potentially the fan runs for another

(30:27):
five or ten minutes just to continue to extract that
moisture that's in the bathroom. And if I was installing
one today and I did one just in the last
couple of weeks, I actually put in ones that have
a humidity sensor that run at a low rate all
of the time and ramp up when the humidity increases.
But run a run on Yeah, run on timer is

(30:51):
a really good idea. If it's yeah, five ten minutes.
You know, the longer the better, to be fair, So
definitely do that. And you know, I'm not what else
do you do this? If you've already installed the fan,
just leave it. Oh it's not okay. If you're scouting

(31:11):
around or if you're electrician is looking for a fan,
I would suggest you look at some of the constant
flow fans that are available now, So Simmicks Simx door
a really good range of them. And what that means
is the fan runs all of the time at a
very low rate, just tickles over right and just allows
air to be drawn into the room and be expelled.

(31:34):
And that's a good thing for bathrooms. And then they
have a humidity sensor in them. So when you turn
the shower on and the humidity rises, that's what steamer is.
It ramps up and it continues to run for as
long as it sensores humidity in the room, which again
is just smart science, right, it's good science. So if
you could choose a sensor fan or a humidity sensing

(31:59):
fan constant flow one, that will be better. Again, so
I would go down.

Speaker 10 (32:03):
That path, I think medicine yep.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, And if he's looking through it'll be in the
Simmics range. So sim X all right, all the best
to Marian and great. I mean, look, when you say,
you know, they found that the fan was in the ceiling,
but it was inducted anywhere. That's not uncommon, right, and
it's it's appalling that it's as common as it is,

(32:27):
but it happens all the time. We'll come back with
a couple more texts and with Harry's call in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
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Speaker 8 (32:38):
Five killing to fifty five killing fort birth.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
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Speaker 5 (32:55):
Your news Talk said, b if you've got a question
of a building nature, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number? Call and where's my curse? Not working?
There we go, got it? Harry, Good morning.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Good morning, Pete.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
How are you very well? What's up?

Speaker 10 (33:10):
I'm listening to the call about the building and inspect
their n heads all back.

Speaker 11 (33:17):
So I deal a lot with resource consent, building consent
code compliance applications, and yeah, the number of rifis and
discussions that I have are just yes, there's a lot
to be open to interpretation.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
So I'm a little bit curious when you say you
deal with them and what.

Speaker 10 (33:33):
Role broad professional engineer?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Okay, all right, yep, I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
Yeah, sometimes I gather that maybe it's just to extend
the twenty working days. But yeah, when the answers go in,
you get the yes, I do understand now, and some
other times it's no, you do it my way. Yeah,
And that's happened even after the building consent has gone in,
so building inspector are turning up on site changes the
building consent to what he interprets the building code to be.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah, I must admit I don't have a lot of
time for that like that. That's one of the things
that really really frustrates me. And then you go, okay,
so you know, my either I or my client has
prepared a document which they've submitted to you. You've approved it.
It's now the building consent, and now you're telling me
that you don't like it. I'm like, I'm sorry, mate,

(34:25):
that that doesn't fly, right. So you know, I've got
a consent. The consent is my attitude, you know, is
the consents the contract, right, So I'm going to build
what's on the contract. And it's not your role to
turn up now and tell me that, you know, because effectively,
what that inspectors doing is saying that the processing person

(34:46):
made a mistake. Yes, and yeah, well yeah, because that
if you.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
Submit their opinion.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Well yes, but then see and that's where I circle
back to the whole. I think it should be collegial, right,
So if a building inspector turns up and says, I
think that's wrong, then I want them to provide evidence.
So which part of the Building Act which you know
acceptable solution? How does this not comply? Not just I

(35:17):
don't like it. It doesn't matter whether you like it
or not. Which part of the Building Act does it
relate to or the building Code? And unless you're providing evidence,
I won't accept it.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
At the end of the day, you want co compliance.
So a number of people just bend over backwards so
that sure, we'll do it the way we want code compliance.
Job done instr money gets paid, the time gets reduced
down to the minimum, and then then we have these
discussions afterwards. Anyways, I heard the texts come in about

(35:48):
section forty two.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah, forty five A.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
There's still a lot of paperwork involved the fact my
last reading of it, but.

Speaker 12 (35:57):
The one that I thought was going to be the best.

Speaker 10 (36:00):
Way part way forward is tell them. And I'm assuming
this cupboard is just non st actual none would all
of that type of stuff, So just tell the building
the sector that separate building works not involved with list consent.
That building work there is, so separate building work doesn't
require a consent, but we're just doing it at the

(36:23):
same time to save money.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
And look, I think that would be a reasonable way
of presenting it. And I suppose the reason I didn't
go down that pathway is because in the end that
that entire space is highlighted on the consent as being
under alteration, and so it doesn't appear as it does
on the plan. But you know, going down the mind

(36:47):
of variation route, and I love the other inspector that
takes through and went, look, you just you know, back
in the day or he would accept as an inspector
that you literally just draw it on a plan and
submit it. That's all that you know, because it's all
about building performance in the sense that is what you've done,
is the change had any actual impact on how that

(37:10):
building's going to perform, and it won't and right, so
why do they get so twisted up about it?

Speaker 10 (37:17):
And yet if they get really really twisted, that's a
pathway forward. You know, Sorry, this is not part of
this building consent. It's not done on the plans. You
just have to sign off the bit that's on the plans.
That's a separate building with that little cupboard there, with
the door or whatever. It's a different building.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
We're just building.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
At the same time, you have still sign CO Code
compliance for the stuff that's on consented plans. This is
a different one.

Speaker 13 (37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
I mean, look, I think in this instance, if I
was the builder working for a client and we both agreed,
it's a sensible idea just to whack up a little
bit of framing in the corner. You know, it makes
no difference to the envelope, It makes no difference to
any bracing, the wall that was moved as part to
create that space. That hasn't changed at all. I can
understand the frustration of going.

Speaker 10 (38:05):
And it does not require a building consent.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Therefore, therefore it doesn't need to be consent.

Speaker 10 (38:14):
And then say that you know, it was my wife,
she made change, and it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Need Yeah, it doesn't need a consent. Therefore I'm not
going to alter the consent because I could have done
it later on. I'm just happen to do it now. Yeah,
very good point. He appreciate it. I actually just a
quick question before we go.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
That I don't changes as I go along term you.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Either sorry, you don't sorry, not that I don't.

Speaker 10 (38:42):
Make changes as I go along through plans as.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Well of course. Actually, well I've got you. One of
the things that I picked up on in the last
couple of weeks is a change around I know there's
a bit of stuff around producer statements and all the
rest of it, but also a change in terms of
let's say you're doing a block wall as part of
a foundation with a retaining war and it's specific design,

(39:06):
so it's in your wheelhouse as an engineer. You've come
out to site, you've done the side observation that now
is going to be sufficient. You don't need to get
a council inspector, is my understanding to then come out
and look at what you've already looked at.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
Producers done actually a requirement of the Building Act.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
No, it's a mechanism that counsel are using, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
And the thing I've got a little group with at
the moment is so being a chartered professional engineer, I
have to go through the hoops and hurls of the
chartered professional engineer organized but apparently all coin Council don't
like that, so as I have to register on there, Yes,

(39:52):
sign up to their register as well, at a cost
and the time. Yet plumbers and drain layers get onto
the origins. They don't have to get onto the register
because their registration board is sufficiently okay, but apparently our
chartered professional engineer isn't. So I've got that little question out.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yeah, and look, i'd agree with you on that. I've
only got a minute. But my understanding is that what
they're going to do is go, so let's say you've
done the design, you come out and do the side
observation or one of your team does. And then in
the past, the way it's worked is the engineer comes out,
signs it off, leaves their side observation notes. Then the

(40:31):
council inspector comes, looks at exactly the same thing, looks
at your notes and goes, oh, it's been signed off.
Therefore I'm going to sign it off, which is a
nonsense duplication right.

Speaker 10 (40:42):
So well, the statements were originally started up so that
we didn't get this duplication, but now there are people go,
I want the chart the engineer, I want I want engineer.
If an engineer designed something. Then they answer a producer statement,
just because it's an engineer.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (40:58):
The only requirement to come out to site is if
it becomes on Form five, the building Consent form that
says for our shelt you know, to get code compliance,
you comply with the conditions of the consent.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Yes, you shall.

Speaker 10 (41:11):
Come out, have a third party come out and the
inspect the wall. Blah blah blah bah. Look, I mean
council can do whatever they want. They can come out
and have a look at anything. The number of times
of yeah, engineer, come out, have a look at then
come out now to look at the slab and.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Yeah, sure, we don't mind having another discussion with you.
But we've got to go for news. But raises a
whole lot of interesting points. Right, we're back after the
news at seven.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Turning ohs and too. She'll be right the resident builder
with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future of
ki We Building today. Cool news talks.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Right, Sorry, just a quick conversation with my producer who
went along to the boxing last night and apparently it
was pretty good, So that's exciting. I haven't been too
boxing for ages. He used to get up with my
dad and watch, you know, grainy black and white footage
of Muhammad Ali Fi back in the seventies. I guess anyway,
greetings folks, Just in case you're wondering whether you've stumbled

(42:12):
into a sports program, you haven't, don't worry about that.
My name's people worf Camp. This is the resident builder.
On Sunday, we are talking all things building in construction.
We're sort of straight into that whole area around building inspections.
And I guess the dance that if we're really honest,
right as builders, as lbps, as people that deal with counsel,

(42:35):
we all do this dance right with building a relationship
and hopefully a rapport with a building inspector, not in
order to get away with anything. But in the end,
you've got to be able to work with people. And
so if your approach is always confrontational, I think you
will find that you struggle with that. But at the
same time, to Marx or Harry's point before it, you

(42:57):
don't necessarily want to bend over every time and go, yeah,
you know, you're all right. I think there's got to
be some space where there can be professional disagreements around
matters of fact, and in some cases maybe the builders right.
In some cases the building inspector's right, but you should

(43:18):
be able to have that discussion or that debate around
facts around the building code, the building standards, the consent
conditions without fear of repercussion. I guess the number of
people have texts along that line of you know, surely
if you have a disagreement with building inspector, they don't
then turn up on the next one and start failing

(43:40):
you for things. Well, no, they shouldn't anyway, they're interesting
texts on these sorts of things. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty seven is the number to call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Sorry is the number to call nine two
ninety two for the text, And if you'd like to
email me, you're more than welcome. It's Pete at Newstalk
SIB dot Pete Atnewstalk sb dot co dot nz. Quick

(44:02):
text just before we go to the next call morning,
How do I stop condensation and proof air quality in bedrooms?
Would a constant flow simix fan or a similar you
mentioned also work in a bedroom for condensation? I don't
want to have to double glaze. It's a nineteen seventies home. Otherwise,
it's a good home from Emma. Great question. Look, I

(44:23):
have just recently redone an exterior laundry, so effectively it's
a little house outside right tiny, you know, but it's
got a roof, it's got windows, it's got single glazing,
it's got a door, and of course it houses the
washing machine and the dryer. The dryer is ducted to outside.
But of course when you do a load of washing

(44:44):
there's always a bit of moisture. You store things in there,
there's a bit of moisture. So I installed a through
wall fan that runs at a very low rate constantly.
So essentially what it's doing is it's just allowing for
airflow because there'll always be a bit of infiltration into
that room, gaps around windows and doors and so on,
and it will just draw air out. And then it's

(45:06):
got humidity sensor as well. So let's say you're doing
some drying or you're doing a hot wash, then it
will detect it will measure the amount of humidity in
that room and ramp up its extraction until it detects
that humidity is let's say, drop down below sixty percent.
So something like that would, Emma make a difference there

(45:27):
there's another solution which I looked at trying to solve
a similar problem actually for a landlord into a tenanted
property the other day, where you know it's an older building,
it's single glazed, all of these sorts of things. And
so what we got to was a similar type of fan,
again by cymmics as it happens, which is just an

(45:49):
in and out so one unit that pushes air in
and then extracts air out through the same aperture, through
the same mechanism, and that just runs constantly and it
just helps to exchange air. There's probably lots of other
structural things that you could do in terms of maybe
having a fixed form of heating in there, having some
other ventilation, but that would be a solution as well.

(46:10):
So just basically in an extraction and inlet fan running
at the same time their one unit. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call, try and
get to a couple more texts in just a moment.
We've had a whole bunch around, you know, building inspections
and what I suppose how you what you can push

(46:33):
back on, what you can't is kind of where we
started with, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Clint. Good morning to you, Thanks for waiting.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
How are you ye?

Speaker 14 (46:41):
No, good, good Pete. I'm interesting while I was sitting
awaiting one hundred years at the radio station, and yeah,
I've probably listened to it for sixty so might give
away my vintage interesting.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
So Pete, just on that, just very quickly. If you're listening,
let's say in the nineteen sixties, which is sixty years ago,
it would have been Z one z b as out
of the ZB government network, wasn't it when there was
one crazy B.

Speaker 14 (47:13):
Yeah, you can get the breakfast show with Merves. Yes,
and you know, yeah, I remember that really really well.
And so I think one constant of the radio station
and talkback is it's just like you're doing sharing information.
In fact, that that's the reason I rang up this morning.
But yeah, no, the thing I was going to raise

(47:34):
people is we're in the middle of winter and you know,
I think for Kiwi's energy prices at they're all time high,
and I just don't see or hear anyone talking about
passive solar design and building. And if you've got a moment,
I'm happy to share my experience. I designed and built
two passive solar houses that were incredibly comfortable to live

(47:58):
in and very cheap to run. And it's interesting when
I first started talking to friends about passive solar thought,
I wore tied eyed shirts and lived in Titterani and
smoked too much of a certain weed.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
And so it was, it was.

Speaker 14 (48:14):
It was very funny back then.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
But I just so, just to be clear, and because
I did spend a part of two days with the
passive house last week, you're not talking about a passive house.
You're talking about what you would call passive solar design,
which is about the house so that it absorbs energy
from the sun during the day, and then have you

(48:37):
built it with materials that will absorb that and release
that over time? So mass concrete, for example.

Speaker 14 (48:42):
Absolutely putting mass. I don't see why New Zealanders aren't
putting more mass into the building. You know, I know
that building costs and a lot of a lot of
mass masonry and concrete is probably more expensive than in
four but two and some chib but I just yeah,
I just raise it because of simply that all I

(49:04):
hear from people at the moment is their cost of energy.
And then also I guess in the last couple of
weeks about putting solar panels and both of the political
parties talking about that. When I look at the two
buildings that I built, I'm sure, for their entirety will
be producing great living and comfort for the people in

(49:27):
the building and low costs to run. And why we're
not thinking about that in both a design and build process.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
So I'll tell you where I got to the other day,
because I would I would agree with you in terms
of there are obviously better ways to design houses, and
so much of the discussion seems to be focused on
when will the government do something or when will they
tell us to do something? And to be fair for

(49:58):
me personally, I've got to the point now where in
terms of building better, I'm not going to wait, and
I'm going to encourage people not to wait anymore. And
so've you've been able to understand, You've done your own analysis,
and you've gone, okay, if I build a conventional house,
I'm missing a whole bunch of opportunities to have a

(50:20):
building that's going to help me regulate temperature, stay warm,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, rather than waiting
for government and be the building code to change. Let's
just look out there for the solutions, and there's heaps
of them out there now, and just adopt better building
techniques and practices without waiting for the government to tell

(50:41):
us to do it.

Speaker 14 (50:42):
As it was where I've got, which yeah, Pete, and
that's exactly where I got. I was looking at those houses.
Just to give you a little background. So I'm a
third generation brickler. My grandfather helped build a civic cetera
and went to Napier for two years after the earthquake
to rebuild chimney right fireplaces, and my father used to

(51:02):
do all of When I first started working with him,
we used to do all the historic places trust buildings
around New Zealand. So we've worked on some of the
oldest buildings in the country, but specifically looking at that
fireplaces and chimneys and that sort of thing. When I
came around to building my first house, being a brickie,
I decided to put as much mass into the building

(51:23):
as possible and at the time also and we used
the calculation which was called ALF for the first house
that we designed and built. ELF stood for Annual Loss
Actor and all I had to prove to the council
at that stage, and you talk about the confrontation with

(51:43):
councils and building affectors. I had a completely different experience
because of the head engineer for the council I was
working with was very intrigued, and so we showed that
the buildings stored more energy than it lost for the
three coldest months of the year, and with things like
northern facing verandas we got the sun out of the

(52:07):
building in the summer and into the building in the
winter when the low angles were there. So absolutely none
of this is rocket science, but I just I get
interesting if it's popped up in your wheelhouseing mass I see.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I think if you're going down the sort of high
performance route, that might be part of it. But then
you're also going, okay, what can I also do to
then increase the air tightness of my building? If I'm
going to increase air tightness, how do I then manage ventilation,
in which case I'm probably looking at a mechanical heat
recovery ventilation system, et cetera, et cetera. So just doing
a great big lump of concrete in the middle of

(52:45):
the building, that happens to face north is one part
of the solution.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (52:50):
Well even that, if you've got another part of the building,
which we're down the spine of the building, you're putting mass.
I think what a lot of kiwis or a lot
of people don't understand is that it smooths out you
get what's called them all land, and it smooths out
the temperature change. So the problem with so many key

(53:13):
with buildings there is no mass in them. If you
can put mass into a building with a simple block
wall down the down the spine that absorbs any heat
that you generate during during the evening and then slowly
releases it so as the outside temperature drops dramatically, that
that I like to refer to them as honey stones.

(53:34):
That hanging stone, you know, will release that energy back
into the building. So for example, you know, where people
are paying for their heater to be running, it's just
warming the air. But if they've got mass in the building,
it's not only warming the air, but it's warming the
mass or the wall, which releases that energy nice and slowly.

(53:56):
And so you know, people used to walk into my
two of my soul houses and would say in the summer, oh,
have you got air conditioning? It's so nice and cold
in here. The opposite applies, so I just rate it.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Hey, look I think you're onto something. I think. I mean, look,
I've seen it. I've sort of Sometimes you go into
houses where it happens kind of accidentally, which is kind
of interesting. But in your case, we've made a very deliberate,
considered approach going this is how I know a building works,
and therefore I'm going to harness. That makes a hell

(54:29):
of a lot of sense to me. So good on you, Clint.
I really appreciated the call. I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We need to take
a short break. We'll be back with James in just
a moment. If you've got a question or a conversation
or just a bit of a discussion point around building
construction and so on, well this is the show for you.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Is the number helping you finish that fibe and it fixed.
You started the Resident Builder with Peter wilfcamp an independent
building supplies the future of Kiwi building today. Call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk'b.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Right, Oh, we're into it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eight is the number to call. Hello James, Hello, how
are you very well in yourself?

Speaker 10 (55:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Good? Thanks.

Speaker 15 (55:14):
I just I knowed you talking are wanting to talk
about the building inspection, so I thought i'd give you
a call and share my experience. So first of all,
I'm not a builder, I'm not any sort of training
at all. I'm just a keen d I wire And
this was a couple of years ago now, but decided
to redo our bathroom and I did everything properly, went

(55:38):
to the building code, made sure that everything was compliant.
I took some plastic off the wall where the shower
was and then I replaced it with aquagyb made sure
it was all waterproof properly to standard, and then put
tiles on. A couple of years later, and went to
sell the house and realized that for that I should
have had a building consent. Yes, I didn't know at

(56:00):
the time, and so I applied for what you call
it now, a certificate of access. Yeah, that's right. And
then the building inspector came around. I did all the drawings,
submitted everything, and he failed it. He failed it over
the position of the tile where it came down over

(56:21):
the edge of the bath. So obviously that then I
was sort of freaking out a little bit that I
was going to have to pull it all down and
start again. So I then appealed it, and another building
inspector from the same council came round, and just what
you're talking about with relationship, he was a much more
personable guy. We had a very good conversation about it,

(56:43):
a two way conversation, and he tried to find out
a little bit more about what I'd done, and we
had access to behind the wall as well, so he
could see that three years and there was no leaking,
no problems, much more pragmatic, and he actually approved it.
And so I guess when I was thinking about the experience,

(57:04):
a sort of thinking that, you know, there's probing Eve
listened to this, that think we should have just hired
a builder in the first place and you wouldn't have
had the problems. And I accept that, but this process
is not very accessible for people. You know, there are
obviously rules in place that allow you to be able
to do DIY in your own home and yep, things,
but it's not a very accessible process. If that's not

(57:24):
something that you're familiar with doing, and you know, if
I hadn't gone through the process of appealing it and
may have just been in a position where I had
to kind of tear it all down.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Sure. And when you say the process of appealing, what
did that actually mean? Did you just go back to
council and say, hey, look, I'd like another opinion on this.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (57:43):
I did a little bit of research and I found
out that the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment have
a process of formal processes can test it. In the
first instance, you go back to the local council and
right for I think what happened is it was the
I think it was the manager of the department or
something who came around with another person. So there's two

(58:03):
guys who came around the second time.

Speaker 12 (58:05):
Yeah, yeah, so it.

Speaker 15 (58:08):
Actually the appeal process was actually okay. It was just
that initial deflation of oh god, I thought I'd done
this right, pretty good at following instructions and had followed everything.
You know, what I thought was to cord it just
that I hadn't applied for the consent in the first place.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
And I tell you what the interesting listening to your
story because it's it's not an uncommon one, right. I
wonder whether the thing that made the most difference, apart
from your ability to you know, behave like an adult
and have a decent civil conversation with someone as opposed
to it just descending into a screaming match between two kiddies,

(58:44):
is that, in this instance, being able to see behind
the wall. Because one of the one of the challenges
often for let's say, when counsel and officials are being
asked to determine a CoA is they can't see what
you can't see what you can't see, right, So you
could say to them I've done the waterproofing beautifully, and
they're steering at a tile, going well, I don't know.

(59:07):
But in this instance, you could look behind it, and
while you still can't see the waterproofing, you could then go, okay,
well it seems like it's not leaking, and I've got
evidence to show that it's not leaking. And performance is
a pathway to compliance as well or pathway to acceptance.
So I was having this discussion with a guy this
week around you know, potentially a building where a wall

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was removed and other a beam was inserted to hold
up part of the ceiling. Did that need a consent? Maybe?
Maybe not? And then hey, look but it's been there
for twelve thirteen years, we've had cyclone Gabriel. The house
is still standing. There's no evidence of cracks. Therefore, the
work that was done has proved itself to be capable

(59:51):
of doing what the building code needs it to do,
which is to stand up. So that's another pathway, and
in the same way the inspector being able to come
to your place chat with you. And the other thing
is if if you're going to do some work, even
if you my advice would be, if you're doing work
that you know legally you're entitled to do without necessarily
requiring it consent and people might want to know about

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that work later on, is take photographs. Just just create
a file on your phone or on your desktop, going okay,
this is the work that I did. Here's a photograph
of my substrate being you know, before it went on.
So here's my wall, here's my brackets and all the
rest of it. Here's the substrate. You can see the
fixings at the right centers. Here's my waterproofing. Here's a
copy of the manufacturer's warranty. Here's some photographs of it

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in process and here's the finished result. And then it
just kind of satisfies people to go, Okay, so it
didn't need a consent. Great, but it's done in accordance
with the building code and here's some evidence. I think
it's a really good way of doing it as well. James,
thank you very much for that, and I'm pleased that
you've got a sensible resolution to you know, what's not

(01:00:59):
a big It shouldn't be a big issue, right, but
sometimes these things can become big issues. Yeah, much ipruciated.
Nice to talk with you, James, Thank you very much.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to
call Cheryl. Good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (01:01:13):
Hello, Hi, Peter.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
I just have a little square nineteen fifty's home and
I've noticed some borers coming on it.

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
How do I get rid of that?

Speaker 13 (01:01:26):
Please?

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
I mean bora is obviously fairly widespread, right, so it's
not uncommon, is it? When you say you see it?
Where do you see it?

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
Well, well, I was out the front today and I
noticed it was it was on the front of the house,
just around So.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
What you see is the dust that comes out of
the little holes that they're boring. Oh okay, yeah, that's
probably what you see. Typically bora are not on the
wing until about September October, so they might be active
inside the holes now, I think, and I'm going to
channel red climb pas still be a long in an hour.
I reckon Rid would say you grab some pirehthrum spray

(01:02:11):
from Safe Works and apply that as a topical solution
over the areas where you've got some borer and possibly
wait another couple of weeks and do it before they
start to come out, and it will capture them, knock
them out, And that's one way, and then it's it'll
just be a constant thing, because I mean they're tiny,

(01:02:32):
they're everywhere. You might just have to buy a couple
of cans of that spray and keep it with you.

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
Thanks, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
In fact, it's a very good reminder. And I'm going
to write it down because I'm just running down Safe
Works spray on my pad and I must go along
there as well, because I've got all this timber stored
unerneath the house, you know, my special little pieces of
timber that you keep forever just because you might need

(01:03:03):
it one day. And I know I've got some more there,
so I want to deal with that, so I'm not
going to get some of that spray. I'll check that
out with it when we talk with him at about
eight thirty this morning. If I mentioned this last week,
but I've been doing some work on the front door
because I need to install well, I need to do
some work on the door because it had big gaps
around it and looked a bit shabby, and because it's

(01:03:24):
an old villa door and it's got typical villa door
solid panel down below, you know, with a raised molding
on it, and then I replaced the glass ages ago
and on the inside. To get the glass out they'd
have to remove. It's like a quarter round molding, so
you've got molding that runs around the inside and at

(01:03:46):
the top it's got like a quarter of a circle,
so it's curved. So my mate Norm was able to
turn me up a piece. I could then cut that
intersections put that in. Then I've had to paint the door.
I'm going to change the lock and put in a
new digital lock, and then I needed to paint it,
which was good fun actually this week doing a high

(01:04:08):
gloss black door, which has been really good as well.
But the whole you know, the process is quite involved
in that whole thing. But one of the things that
saved me this week, that's what I was going to mention,
is I was looking for paint that I know. I
painted the inside architraves next to the door about ten

(01:04:33):
years ago, and then you go, so what was that
paint color? And the only thing that saved me just
this week was the fact that I'd taken a photograph
of the tin that I used back then. I have
to say, if this is to my point about you know,
record what you do in the same way. You know,
tins of paint, different colors. You know, I don't know
how many different colors you might have in your house,

(01:04:54):
but take a photograph of it, add a note saying
you know the date that you used it and we
you used it. You know, if you painted a particular
bedroom in one color, the paint might be long gone,
but least if you needed to do a touch up,
you'll know what it was. So I was able to
go back to Razine yesterday with a photograph of the
label and go, here's the paint quarter barely there or

(01:05:15):
something like that. Can you mix me and up at
another couple of liters of that I need to paint
the inside of the door. Success, but I'm still not
happy with the brush that I use. But that's another matter. Right,
We're going to take a short break. We'll come back
with Bruce and just a moment. The lines are open.
The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty where
DIY gets unstuck. Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
The resident builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent Building supplies
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Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Your news Talks the b OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The number to call. Hello Bruce, Hello Bruce.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
You know me?

Speaker 16 (01:05:55):
It is you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Greetings, Oh good awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
I was pulling a foundation on my property and the
council feil through no details and building in general, and
they say that's why they failed because they had no details.
And an independent engineer went up there for the builder
cut tress.

Speaker 10 (01:06:16):
Anyway, they failed.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
The seal wasn't complete and water wasn't removed right. And
then the owner of the company fills out a site
report because he's all site reports. The owner of the
company fills out a site report on a Cuntris's form
signed off by Cutriss is that aloud.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Everything sounds slightly dodgy to be fair.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Builder, I mean sorry. The engineer sudified it. He went
to the council and asked the council to pass the
priest lab on trust because he had no documentation, no photos,
nothing from the LBP. The LBP didn't supply work record
all photos as well, and I lose out. I just

(01:07:05):
don't know how they can be. So they comes too
asked me because I asked them to issue a notice
effects for the concrete slab, and they're going on about, oh,
you're going to prove that the concrete slams no good,
and so they're trying to get me to test the concrete.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Sounds like it's after the fact. So somewhere along the
line inspections either inspections weren't undertaken or inspections potentially failed,
and the contractor went ahead and poured anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:07:39):
And now this is exactly that without without getting it
reinspected and with no photos, no LVP record. Because what
happen is when they went to thrill down to put
in your whole down bolts, he threw bolts they hit
the steal obviously they the stealing and that then then
the owner tried to drill through the steal. It couldn't

(01:07:59):
do all the steal work, so he put through bolts
too close to the other ones and they cracked between them.

Speaker 12 (01:08:04):
But that was all pasted that they put in a piece.

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
Well I was just I was just bobsmacked it. And
so I ended up by having to obviously getting another engineer.
And I had a before that, before and just after
the poor I got a builder to come up with
any said exactly the same thing. Well, that's not to
the New Zealand standards. I mean the measurement's all out geometrically,
it was way out and not all or not whatever.

(01:08:30):
But the council's asking me to prove that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
And what's your role on Are you the owner of
the property. Yeah, I am, And so you've you've contracted
someone to undertake us, you've contracted a builder, you've got
a building consent for the work.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
I got this consent, yes, and I said because it
doesn't comply. I said, know that doesn't comply with MOTE
because obviously when you draw your true bolts and everything,
and it can't comply because the engineer doesn't make it
so that you know, your tube bolts at the rear
at the steel. So I said, oh, you know this
is not right because I photos before they poured the
concrete and the water wasn't removed, and I saw the

(01:09:11):
cheering wasn't right, and even footings were in shape properly.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
So took photos when you saw that, Like you're saying,
the chairs, so the little plastic chairs that go unleast
the reinforcing to make sure that you've got sufficient.

Speaker 8 (01:09:28):
Forty mill down from the top.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
So but the work had got a pass from the
building inspector.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Yeah, he pray passed appears, isn't it. But he there
had no information and I've got statements here that he
asked the council to pass it on trust that that
his words. You know, I just did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Okay, let's say that that's what happened. The you know,
the contractor rings the inspector and goes, mate, it's me here,
we need to pour because the weather's coming or whatever,
and the inspector what have you got some evidence that
the inspector said, yes, that it's okay.

Speaker 8 (01:10:09):
He said, well, well, the two people the council guy. Look,
I said, he said, the steal was in place, and
but he failed it because because it wasn't finished when
he when he saw it, the priest lab wasn't finished.
And then he said he only failed it because of
the details. And then the second guy for the builder,
this company anyway, I won't say who got he said,

(01:10:32):
he said to fail, but finish the completed work and
take photos and empty all the water out of the
priest slab which wasn't done, and they poured concrete and
get it reinspected. Actually that's we get and reinspected.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
And then get it reinspected. But I mean, look, you know,
I think like the part of that is is how
the relationship between contractor and inspector should go. So if
for example, there was something relatively minor, maybe he needed
to put a few more chairs in, and obviously it's
got some water in it, and so you say to
the contractor, look, you know, I'm going to extend some

(01:11:07):
trust to you. I want you to put those chairs in.
I want you to send me a photograph of that
when you've installed it, and make sure you pump the
water out before you pour tomorrow. Let's say and so
the contract the poor selling them, you shouldn't be pouring. Yeah,
so by the sound of it, and look, this is

(01:11:28):
going to get too complicated to deal with here by
the sound of it. No, no, but it sounds like
the contractor has abused essentially the trust that the inspectors
put in them, right, because you know, we all as
contractors want to rely on a good professional relationship. So
I think if the inspectors come out and said, hey,
look you need to add some bar cheers, and I

(01:11:49):
know you're pouring tomorrow, there's obviously water here. There's no
point you're pumping it out today because it's going to
be back tomorrow. So just make sure you pump it
out before you pour, and send me a photograph of
that that that seems to be a very professional. But
then yeah, that's that's where your contractor has abused that trust,
right and has gone, oh good, now I can just

(01:12:10):
get away with it. Well, that's not good enough. So
I think you're probably going to have to go back
to your contractor and it's going to end up in
some sort of legal debate around them breaching the terms
of the contract. Right if they've poured and if the
impact of that. There's good reason that we don't pour
concrete into water because it separates the fines and you

(01:12:33):
get poor quality concrete. So if they've done that and
you've got poor quality concrete, well that's on the contractor
and I think it should be on them to fix
it as well. Whatever that happens to, whatever that looks like.
Oh mate, I don't like to hear those stories, but
good luck and hopefully you get it sorted out. Brian,
good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (01:12:50):
Good morning listen. I've just poured a nineteen original nineteen
eighties house. It's got stalk cat, the Michael Angelo tiles
and beautiful on the ceiling.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
I'm wondering.

Speaker 13 (01:13:01):
I'm in two thoughts. Can I chuck, I'm insulated a
top bottom government give me for free?

Speaker 14 (01:13:08):
Yep?

Speaker 13 (01:13:08):
But can I just put the jibboard straight on top
of the Michelangelo toes or would you pull them out?

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
I guess the only thing with that is yes, I
think you can. If you can go maybe if you
can get up into the roof space see where the
batmans are that the Michelangelo tiles have been attached to.
Chances are they'll be a two by one Batten and
they'll be hand nailed into the underside of the truss.
So in an abundance of caution, I'd identify the connections

(01:13:36):
where they intersect with the trust and from underneath, I'd
put it in like a decent size, like a Perlin
or a big, big screw. Int you there, just to
hold it. Have a look at the ceiling. See if
the ceilings reasonably flat. I mean, this isn't the best. Yeah, okay,
So and then i'd go, look, if the ceilings reasonably flat,

(01:13:58):
you could go, I'd go thirteen mil plaster board on
the ceiling, you know, just go for a slightly chunkier board.
Just it'll kind of float its way across. It's not
the best thing to do, and you and I both
know that, right, So the best thing to do would
be pull the Michelouche low tiles down, put up some

(01:14:18):
new ceiling batterns, get them nice and straight. Then you
can fix the plaster board with glue and screws and
all the rest of it. But it's a lot more work.
So if you go, you know, if it's not a
particularly big space, I'm going to fix it, I'm going
to end up with a lot more screws through it,
and you know, I'm going to accept that maybe it's
not going to be a perfect ceiling. Then yeah you could.

(01:14:41):
You can just go plaster board straight over the top.
Job done. Okay, good luck, because I know what it's
like trying to pull that stuff down, you know, because
there's also forty years of dust up there. All right,
all the best of you take care, which which is
a trifle competitor. I was up in my attic the

(01:15:02):
other day, just altering something and adding another little sheet
of plywood so I can store more stuff up there,
blah blah blah. And I thought, while I'm up here,
I'm going to lift back the insulation. And I'd already
cleaned out the attic. I thought, when I installed the insulation,
that I've got because what used to be up there
was masticated polystyrene, just blowing and rough as guts. It

(01:15:26):
was just everywhere, terrible stuff. And I remember spending days
scooping all of that polystyrene up, putting it into bags.
Actually took a sheet of iron off the roof so
that I could throw the bags out onto the lawn.
Ended up with a horse float full of polystyrene in
black plastic bags. Thankfully I was able to take it
somewhere to get it recycled anyway. And then when I

(01:15:50):
was up there the other day, I lifted up some
of the insulation and got a little I've got a
little eight in volt vacuum, took that up with me
and kind of cleaned the top of the ceiling off.
And I mean, you know all that dust that's sitting
up there, and cleaned out the vacuum. Been the other
day thinking, Ricky, that's up there in my roof space

(01:16:11):
as well. So I'm just thinking about Brian pulling down
that Michelangelo ceiling in order to put new plaster board
up there. There'll be dust and bits of insulation and
so on. So while it's not necessarily the perfect way
of doing it, I can understand why you just go right,
I'm just going to whack on some new sheet of
plaster board straight underneath. That'll tidy that up. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty will come back and talk to

(01:16:32):
Ann in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
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very special broadcast the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcap and
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oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, that'd.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Be radio news talks'd be and good morning, good morning.

Speaker 17 (01:17:01):
I'm just ringing up about my daughter bought her house
about four years ago, and I think it was the
house built in about the sixties. The fence needed replacing
next between her and the neighbor. So she spoke to
the neighbor said that they were going to build a fence.
She said, we're going to build it ourselves, and the

(01:17:21):
neighbor was fine to contribute him. That was all good,
but the neighbors also said to her, look, she said,
I'm planning. I'm actually putting my house on the market.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
So that was all right.

Speaker 17 (01:17:34):
They built the fence and the house the house next
daughter is sold. Now the house next door sits way
back on the section, and my daughter was saying to me,
she said, I reckon, they're going to put a unit
on the front, you know, because it's so much room. Anyway,

(01:17:54):
the people that have bought this house next door to
her apparently have all She's also found out that when
my daughter's house was built, when they put the water line,
the water in from the road to my daughter's house,
they hooked it because the house next door, the waterline

(01:18:18):
came right down the boundary fence. They hooked into the
water on the neighbor's side. Now what what my question
is if would that have had to be okayed by
the council or.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
I suspect it. No, I just wonder whether it's one
of those things that happened. So where they've made the
connection to the water main, does that mean that there's
only one meter if it's meeted at the boundary, at
the front boundary in that the neighbor is effectively, you know,
siphoning off water. Oh well, that would be one of

(01:18:58):
those things that would checked. But I think what's likely
to happen is that when if there is a development
that happens extore, all of those sorts of things will
need to be formalized. So you know, if services are
routed through a neighboring property, there'll be need to be
an easement registered on the title, something like that, sort

(01:19:20):
of an informal or perhaps even illegal connection to a
water main. That'll get sorted out because you'll need to
provide evidence that you've got the correct supply, or it'll
get picked up somewhere along the line. So has the
new fence that was built. That has been built though, yes,
okay for.

Speaker 17 (01:19:38):
It, we'll see when it was being because she said that,
the neighbor said she was putting it on the market,
and they'd talked to her about it, and they were
only going to be doing the fence bit by bit, right,
so they started right at the back and just as
they could afford it and as they had time. But anyway, no, no,
when she didn't put that in the agreement when when

(01:20:03):
she sold her house. So when the new these people
have bought the house next door, No, they wanted the
fence finished as a condition of them buying it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
But that would have to be up to the person
who's selling the house. You couldn't impose that condition on
a neighbor. I would have thought like that the fact
that I guess if your daughter and the neighbor have
agreed to build the fence, and the neighbor sells, and
the new owner wants to buy, but only if the

(01:20:36):
fence is completed, that's really up to the person who's
selling to then get a hurry up and finish building
the fence.

Speaker 17 (01:20:45):
You would that's well, they've agreed they finished building it. Yeah, good, Okay,
finished building the fence. So it's you know, it's a
nice fence, lovely fence. But she's just finding out. She's thinking,
she's got to find out the cost of what it's
going to cost an hour to put the water on.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
Her side, right, and that may not be a very
cheap exercise. And you know, I mean if they've got
to trench from the roadway all the way up to
the property and relay it as a separate line, there's
a fair bit of work involved in doing that, depending
on how they might be able to thrust underground. But

(01:21:26):
then that's a fairly expensive exercise. It's less disruptive arguably,
but it's still quite expensive. Or you've got to trench
it and so on.

Speaker 17 (01:21:35):
But so she so should should it have been allowed?
Way back then?

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Look to be fair, that kind of question is sort
of irrelevant because no one's going to be held responsible, right,
So you can spend a lot of energy trying to
figure out is that should that have been allowed? Why
didn't somebody do it differently? But in the end, you've
just got to fix what's in front of you because
no one's going to be held responsible for it. So

(01:22:04):
I just find in those instances it's just not worth
putting the energy into that. Just put the energy into
finding a solution, because the regardless of how it happened,
you've still got to fix it. Is kind of my
approach to the Yeah, all the very best and allright,
you take care. See then we'll talk to Peter straight

(01:22:25):
after New Sport and we're the top of the hour
at eight o'clock. Remember Red Clin passed with us from
eight point thirty as well, and I'll try and get
through a couple of these texts in the next hour
as well. Remember read from eight thirty. But we'll come
back with your call straight after New Sport and weather at.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Eight mine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
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The I didn't build it with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent
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Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
Welcome back to the program. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We're taking your
building questions right through till eight thirty, but of course
now it is looft in time and just in case
you thought that this is a relatively new thing. I was,
I have to say, beside myself with excitement when I
was working away in the workshop during the course of

(01:23:36):
the week. And typically what I do is I've got
my MFS on and I'm listening to podcasts, often history
ones in particular, So I'm listening away to this History
Extra podcast. I think it was no History hit one
about the American Independence Declaration of Independence and the key
figures in that which included Benjamin Franklin. And it turns
out that Benjamin Franklin is recorded as saying that he

(01:23:59):
encouraged people to open doors and windows in the morning,
and he was an early proponent. He may have even
entered the whole idea of lift in time. So what
we're talking about, and the reason we have that little
alarm is when you get up in the morning, open
some doors and windows, allow fresh air into the house,
allow that staleia that builds up overnight out of the house.
And I think it'll be a good thing for your building.

(01:24:21):
So the you go, and Benjamin Franklin said it was
a good idea as well. Radio seven minutes after eight
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
A couple of people have asked whether or not this
is going back to Brian's question about the house with
Michelangelo tiles, which are like a soft board tile, often
with holes in it, that people use to line the ceilings.

(01:24:44):
If you add a layer of plaster board to the
underside of that, will there be some insulation benefit? Yeah,
potentially there is some insulation, but we're talking about i'd
know it a rough guess. It might be like zero
point zero two or something like that, in which case, yes,
there is an insulation value of leaving it there, but

(01:25:05):
it's eligible you'd be better off while you were doing it.
You added insulation to the roof space. Some great texts
on that, and a lot of texts about just you know,
I suppose for those of us who are in situations
either as an LBP or as a contractor and you're
dealing with building inspectors because you're doing consented work and

(01:25:27):
so they've got to come out and do the required
number of building inspections, how you manage that relationship and
whether or not there's opportunity in there for discussion and
debate or you know, every time the building inspector turns up.
You don't feel that you have an opportunity to discuss things.

(01:25:48):
So if the building inspector says I'm not happy with that,
or they change something and that happens. We've had a
bit of a discussion with an engineer about that earlier
on the show. So that's been one of the things
we've been talking about on the program this morning, and
a little bit of conversation from time to time. The
fact that today the ninth of August, one hundred years

(01:26:08):
since z B in its very earliest iterations appeared on
New Zealand airwaves back in the day nineteen twenty six
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're taking your calls
this morning, Peter, Good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (01:26:21):
Good morning Pete. I've got a reroofing project that I'm
looking at starting yep, and I've got a nineteen eighty
nine house Scott Declamati stick cars. I've still got to
get those tested for asbestos. Got free options ones recoding
the surface two is replacing a similar tile but hopefully
using the same batterns or free is probably my preferences

(01:26:43):
go to long run. What I wanted to know was
do any of the long run producers like CARLSTI or
whatever do. They absolutely can size exactly all the cost
of the materials, including cats. Now the house is a
little bit complicated the roofline because it has free hexagon

(01:27:03):
shapes half hexagon shapes around the house where they've got
a little tarrot cover, you know, things being built. Yeah,
so it makes the roofline a little bit more complex
then say just a normal one.

Speaker 16 (01:27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:27:16):
I'm just curious to see if that is possible.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I don't know whether the roofing supplier, like the let's
say you go for long run, whatever profile you choose,
it won't be their job to do the quantity take off.
Typically it will be the roofer that you get will
come out and measure it up. And I guess what
you're hoping for is that. You know, most roofers, let's
say if it's a house with a couple of hips

(01:27:38):
on it, they'll go, Okay, well, I can run full
sheets to hear and then I'm going to order another
full sheet, but I'm going to cut that off. But
I know I can take that off cut and I
can flip it round to the other side and I
can use it there therefore I don't need to add
I don't need to buy material for that, but because
it's going to be the off cut from there, so
I think it'll be the roofer that will determine the quantity.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
Yeah, I just wondering now, if you know the way
they do things, like with things like replacement glass and
things like that, A lot of times it can be
done in the factory and you just ship the whole
lot to you and then you just put it together
like lego.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
I see what you're saying. No, well, yeah, I can see.
I mean with technology, that might be something that's coming.
To the best of my knowledge right now, that doesn't
typically happen. So you know, if you're interested in the
price for long run, you'll contact a couple of different roofers.
My suggestion very strongly is to use people who are
part of the Roofing Association of New Zealand. So members

(01:28:40):
of that organization, get them out, get you know, if
you want to two quotes or three quotes for it,
and then they will then do a quantity takeoff at
the time, using their experience to try and reduce the amount.
And in the end it's in their interest because if
they're buying additional meters of roofing product because they can't

(01:29:02):
figure out how to reuse some sheets and use offcuts.
Then their price is going to be higher.

Speaker 12 (01:29:08):
Yeah, two of the paper itself. Things like that. The
additional stuff is there in new technology that you know,
like I've got the old black paper on the top
of the ceiling and things like that, but as in
new stuff that I should look at in the way
of bish for stopping the house can get very hot
it's a two story house, yep, and keep it very

(01:29:29):
hot in summer reflecting off the tiles. So just way
to reduce that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
The roofing underlay itself, I think the technology that goes
into it now is far above the old craft paper, right,
old black paper. So yes, you will get better performance
out of some of the modern roofing underlays. Then of
course there's also modern wraps that are are able to
help control moisture and vapor diffusion and those sorts of things,

(01:30:01):
but then they would only you would only get benefit
from that if you chain the actual makeup of the roof.
So for example, I was at a job the other
day where what they'd done is they'd put over the
pearlins over the top of the rafters. They had some
rigid sheathing, so it was all sheathed and I think

(01:30:23):
it was plywood or OSB board. Then they had a
baton that ran, then a moisture control layer, then a baton,
then their pearlins, then their iron on there. And they
didn't have the roofing underneath the iron because it was
all part of It's just a different build up of
the roof. So whether you wanted to go to that extent,

(01:30:45):
I mean, you know, when I was down at Brands,
it was last year sometime, they had a sort of
nineteen seventies house that they were doing a deep retro
fit on and one of the things they did there
was they when they stripped the roofing iron off, they
actually pulled the pearlins off as well. Added sheathing, then
insulation and then pearlins and paper and so on to

(01:31:06):
create a warm roof. I don't know if you want
to go to that extent. You know, that's a lot
more work than just a reroof but it will give
you some added benefit I think for you if you're
going to go to long run, chances are you're going
to have to remove those batons and add perlins. Yep, yep.
It's an opportunity when all of that comes off to

(01:31:27):
make sure that there are sufficient hold down so the
way in which the existing trust is fixed on to
the top plate, So you might end up with some
more CP forty's or eighties along there just to hold
the whole thing together. Then a decent it's a great
opportunity to check your insulation and to check that it's
inaccessible areas, that it's there, and that it's well laid out,

(01:31:49):
and that there's sufficient cover. Then with a new roofing
underlay and new iron, it will be better than it was.
And I actually think there's something to be said for
choosing lighter colors if that's part of your thinking, or
if you're not going to choose lighter color, then how
do you control airflow and heat build up, in which

(01:32:12):
case you might want to talk to the roof for
about a ventilated ridge cap.

Speaker 12 (01:32:16):
Right, Okay, Lucky, last question, The piece of the go
to the tested for asbestos. I think that they have
to be because obviously going to have to take a
piece of the existing roof. I just want to know
can I cut out of three by three inch piece.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
That would be more than enough. I think my understanding is,
you know, it's if it's if it's going to be present,
it's going to be widespread through the material, right. But yeah,
the bigger the sample, the better, you know, you can
be more confident of the result. Right. So yeah, a
three by three inch piece would be enough. And my

(01:32:53):
understanding is that there's a number of industrial labs out
there who are doing asbestos testing, and in some cases
they do them on the day.

Speaker 12 (01:33:01):
And sorry when I'm i ask saying the dechromistic recoatein
does anyone like Raisine or others offer a way of
doing that or I know Cofi and a couple other
manufacturers do. It is the pros and cons and the
way that obviously would be the cheapest option to do.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Look, I mean, I think you'd have to consider recoating,
and it's quite a good solution in the sense that,
you know, if the roof isn't. One of the issues
with the dechromastic roofs or and similar type ones Gerrard
did one and all the rest of it is if
people don't know where to walk, they're quite prone to damage, right,
and people will will crease them and then that will

(01:33:41):
actually tear the iron and create a hollow, and that's
where you get water coming in. So if the roof
hasn't been walked on too much, or it hasn't been
damaged while people have been walking on it, and you
can simply you can encapsulate. If you're concerned about the ACM,
you can encapsulate that with a coating over the top.
Thoroughly prepped and coated will give you, you know, you

(01:34:04):
might get another fifteen years out of the life of
the roof. That would be the way I would approach
recoating as opposed to replacement. But replacement also offers you
an opportunity to do something better with the underlay, look
at your insulation, those sorts of things. So it's a
balance between those two exactly. All the best. Good luck, mate,
sounds like a great project. Take care your news Talk

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Seed B will take one break, then we'll come back
and talk to Cameron and then we're into the garden
with Kline pasted as well, and ridd and I we're
having a little text exchange the other night trying to
figure out when either of us kind of did our
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might have a bit of a chat just quickly with
rud about that. Given Actually, as it turns out, his

(01:34:49):
time here extends beyond mine, which is great and not
unexpected to be fair so rude after eight thirty, but
we'll take a short break. We'll come back with Cameron
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Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
I keep hearing that helping you finish that five minute
fix that you started five days ago. Thing when I'm
thinking about the number of hours that I've spent working
on the front door, It's going to be worth it.
It's going to be awesome, I think personally, and it
will close up some gaps and give me a decent
lock and a whole lot of other bits and pieces.
But I will go back and do it today. But
I was thinking before about like little bits of timber

(01:36:52):
that you keep so around there's an old house. Obviously,
there's a trim that goes around the door, which is
part of like the architrave molding, but it's double sided.
And I always knew I found a piece years ago.
And when I say years ago, like it might be
twenty years ago. And I figured that one day when

(01:37:14):
I kind of when I finally got round to redoing
the door, I would need to patch that bit of molding,
that bit of trim that goes around the door, and
I would hold on to that piece. And so that
day has come, and then I had a moment of
panic where I'm fossicking around the back of the workshop, going,
I know I kept that piece of timber. I know
I kept it for a reason. It's got to be
here somewhere anyway. It turned up. It's just long enough

(01:37:36):
for me to use a couple of other bits to
put it all together, because a new molding won't be
the same profile. So I don't know. I have lots
of sympathy for people that go I might hold on
to that and use it one day. And I'm sure
there's some sort of law like Hofsta's law or whatever
various things around as soon as you throw something else
out you'll need it the week later. It's bound to

(01:37:57):
be something like that. Someone also emailed me, thank you, Catherine,
to talk about the we talked about hammers last week
and that I'm myself particularly prone to purchasing another chisel
if I feel that one speaks to me when I'm
at the old flea markets or car boot sales and
so on. So I was going to go up to
Brown's Bay today. Won't be able to get there today,

(01:38:19):
but I promise it's on my list to Guanzi Bob
with his collection of tools in maybe a couple of
other stores while I'm up there. And then it also
prompted me during while I was in the workshop this
week to think we talked about hammers that could have
gone off like a rocket last week as a topic.
And so I got most of the hammers that I
have out and kind of had a look at them.

(01:38:42):
And there'll be a little video up on my socials
sometime this week with me talking about me hammers. Right, Cameron,
Good morning, greetingsty Good mornings.

Speaker 12 (01:38:51):
There just a comment on the helpful or unhelpfulness building inspectors. Yes,
I've been a self employed builder for forty five years
and ten years ago I had to build five apartments
concrete law flat level section the building effects turned up
and went through the plans twenty pages. I played and said,

(01:39:14):
not all these pages have been stamped by the council.
He says, you'll have to take them back and get
them checked through again and stamped by the council. Right, said, Actually,
I said, I paid full price for these plans that
the council will get processed. And I says, you take
them back and get him stamped if your lazy other
skill didn't do them. Well he didn't. He didn't take

(01:39:36):
too will to that. It's and I mean I knew
this building picture over the years. He was an absolute
and Nigel and he stomped off down the job and
went and checked things that I'll give him as Jewey
came back and said, no, you're right, actually it's not
your fault. I'll take him back. But of course my

(01:39:59):
point was to him was my time's worth something and
so is yours. You know, why should I go and
wait at the council for an hour and have to
come back again and back with them toward et CE so.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
To so my point is, you know, I think what
you're saying illustrates perhaps what I was trying to explain before,
which unless you're in that situation, maybe it's difficult to
explain the nature of the relationship between you know, builder
and building inspector. And there is a bit of a dance, right,
you know, there's there's always a little bit of how
do I manage this relationship? You know, that sort of thing,

(01:40:35):
but it it and you know your approach I suppose
similar to mine, which is it's collegial. Right, we're both professionals,
we both know what we're talking about, and every now
and then we're going to have a disagreement, and then
those that can provide the evidence should win the argument. Right.
So in that case, you're right. If page seven didn't

(01:40:55):
get a red stamp on it, well, that's not your problem.
It shouldn't become your job to fix it.

Speaker 17 (01:41:01):
Good on you.

Speaker 12 (01:41:02):
And the other thing too, The other thing building is
fect to say, is I think you should do that? Well,
actually I say I don't. I'm not very interested in
what you think. You show me your page, yep. On
the on the content, it tells me that I've got
to do that. This, yes, the other in the other
interesting thing on the on the job was that when
it came to the final code compliance inspection, he found

(01:41:23):
five things and I did those and got them back
a week later, and he said, oh, yes, that's okay,
you've done that. Actually, just it's a couple more things
there that he's doing that I see because that that
that okay. So I did that, did those and got
them back another week later, and he said, yep, no,
that's fine, you've done those. That's true. Yep. Oh, by
the way, I just see another couple of things. I said,

(01:41:46):
are you telling me that they call it? I said,
I'm going to ring the mayor and tell them the
quality of the building inspect said he employed takes three
visits to get it right. I said, thank goodness, they
get it right. Well, yeah, point taken.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I know, good on you. And I can imagine
and and yeah, I think what you're describing as is
how I think it should be. But that also relies
on builders knowing what they're doing. And made of mine
texts me before I think he listened to the first
part of the conversations of Building Server and he goes, look,
let's accept the fact that there are people out there
who really don't know what they're doing, right, and so

(01:42:22):
you can also understand the frustration from building inspectors arriving
and just going, oh jeez, this is just Mupet time
right now, that's out there as well. Cameron, lovely to
talk with you. Thank you very much for that. We
should talk again. It is all gee, it's almost rod time.
But Tom very quickly, sir, to make.

Speaker 8 (01:42:42):
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Speaker 16 (01:42:45):
From one our Willards or another. Ram sets the old
Jame model fifty years old? Is it j twenties yep, yeah, yeah,
Now they're not legal I heard for commercial works privately.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
Yeah, maybe for commercial they're worried that if you don't
if no one's ever used to it. Right, they are
effectively a gun, right, They're a pistol. So you put
the pin see that as a bullet into the chamber,
You put an explosive charge, you pull the trigger. If
you depress the plate, you can pull the trigger in

(01:43:20):
a way it goes. But it's as opposed to some
of the other masonry fasteners which the explosive charge activates
a piston. The piston only goes as far as the
gun is designed to, and so you can't overfire. So yeah,
I would imagine that as a health and safety thing
on commercial sites, they wouldn't be acceptable. I've still got

(01:43:43):
one in my workshop and well, oh yeah, no, I've
still got one. I have no hesitation in using them,
but they can be dangerous. And if I had time,
I'd tell you about a story where we actually it
could have ended very badly, but I might note that
down and we'll see whether we can pick that up
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