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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
from News Talks ed B helping you finish that five
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Camp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi building
today call oh eight hundred eighty eighty youth talk, said B.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
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The yard, even when.

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Sitting at the table trying not to starve.

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Are then.

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Even when you're there.

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Houses a long, even when thres goes, even when you go.

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Around from the ones you love your most.

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Front of.

Speaker 7 (01:27):
Locals westall when they're going and leaving the.

Speaker 8 (01:31):
House, even when wilbra Ben, even when you're in there alone.
And a very very good morning and welcome along to

(01:51):
the Resident Builder on Sunday with me peek Off Camp
the Resident Builder. And this is an opportunity to talk
all things building and construction. And I have to say,
I got up whatever time, five o'clock or something like
that this morning, wandered through the house. Notice that actually
we've got a little thermostat in the hallway tells me
what the indoor temperature is, tells me what the temperature

(02:11):
is in the roof. And it was seven degrees in
my roof this morning, in that space between the ceiling
and the underside of the corrugated iron roof. And I thought,
that's fairly brisk. I don't think I've seen a seven
on the thermometer for a little while, and then hopped
into the car and realized because I parked my car
outside and there was ice on the windscreen. And then

(02:33):
I was listening to the our news, sport and weather.
So apparently four degrees is the official temperature outside in
Auckland at the moment. And before I get a whole
bunch of texts going, you just a Jeffer, you don't
know what cold weather is. Hey, look it's Auckland. Generally
it's a fairly temperate climate. So a genuinely cold, crisp,

(02:53):
clear and very very beautiful morning, and I guess I
start thinking about, you know, how our houses perform, whether
we are able to heat them effectively, whether when we
do heat them they keep the heat in. So we
can talk about that sort of building science type of
thing if you'd like to all the nice practical stuff.

(03:14):
I don't know if anyone put up a little video
of a very simple task that I managed to get
done this week, which was cleaning out the gutters of
a property that I look after. So very simple couple
of flats on a site spoutings up at about sort
of three and a half meters off the ground, so

(03:37):
a couple of a frame scaffold plank, a little bit
of scaff for one corner that I had to do
some repairs on, and just taking the time to do
a job in this case, scooping out what turned out
to be I think probably the better part of about
fifteen liters. If I think about the bucket that I
used to scoop out the sediment that had accumulated in

(04:00):
the spouting, and if I looked a little bit closely,
there was there was that sufficient sediment to provide some
good was it membrane, some good good material to start
growing grass. So that came out a little bit of
a squirt. Disconnected the down pipes. That's the key, I

(04:23):
think if you're going to do gutter cleaning, disconnect the
downpipe because you don't want to push all that sediment
down into the stormwater system. So I disconnected the down pipe,
hooked up a bit of in that blue pipe or
blue sleeve that plumbers use for putting around pipes when
they put them in concrete. Put a bit of that
on with a cable tie, so that everything went into

(04:43):
the garden. I didn't have mess coming all the way
down the side of the house, went round, did the gutters,
clean them out, gave them a rinse, fixed a couple
of brackets, fixed a corner that was a bit rubbish.
And so it's been a practical old week, and a
couple of other little jobs as well. So tell us
what you're up to, what projects you're undertaking, and just

(05:05):
that simple satisfac of getting a job done that needed
to be done. I cleaning out the gutters, and knowing
also that next time we get about of heavy rain,
that's going to be so much more effective that in
a couple of places, the gutters had obviously started to
they've probably been up for thirty or forty years, you

(05:28):
know's they'd collected a little bit of sediment, which means
they hold a little bit of water, which means it
puts more pressure on the brackets, the brackets had started
to walk their way out, or the fixings the nails
and the brackets had started to walk their way out.
So as I was up there, I was able to
pull a couple of nails out, replace them with some
stainless steel screws screw the bracket on which lifted the bracket,

(05:48):
which meant that the water got to the outlet. So
little jobs done well make a huge difference. So tell
me about the jobs that you're doing, maybe something that
you're planning, perhaps something that now that the house is
kind of being tested by the weather, you're starting to think, Gee,
I wonder what sort of improvements I could make around
the property. Certainly if when you're inside your house you

(06:09):
can feel the cold coming in on a cold, crisp
day or night like we've had, and you're thinking to you,
I wonder what I could do with that. Could I
upgrade the insulation. Could I potentially look at changing my glazing,
going for double glazing which will be much more effective?
Do I need to look at a better form of heating?
So any projects that you might have that you would

(06:32):
like to talk about. I know it's cold, I know
it's crisp, but it's going to be a spectacular day
I think for most of the country actually, after what
has been some pretty heavy weather. Further down the country,
certainly around Kaikura, there is still significant disruption there top
of the South Island as well, and Wirah it seems
while there was some flooding, not quite as bad as

(06:55):
it easily could have been in that region as well.
So it leads us to much bigger topics around and
that thing. And I was with some people during the
week doing some stuff around water tank and water conservation
and stormwater detention, and so I'm thinking, I think we've
all got a role to play in terms of, you know,
looking after our own property, so that we're contributing in

(07:18):
a positive way to the way in which our communities
are able to respond to and withstand some of these
changes to weather patterns where you know, the type of
weather we get a significant amount of rain. I think
Cokura had basically a month's rain in about a one
day period. So how do we respond to those sorts

(07:40):
of changes. So there's the big stuff, the macro, and
then there's as I did this week anyway, making a
small difference by making sure that the spouting works properly
to make sure that you know there's no overflow, it's
not discharging onto a neighbor's property. Those sorts of things,
so little things do make a difference. Right, the lines
are open. The number to call, oh, eight hundred eighty

(08:02):
ten eighty. You can text, of course, that is nine
to nine to two or zbzb from your mobile phone.
And if you'd like to send me an email, you're
more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot nz.
So we can talk legislation, we can talk sort of
the building rules and regulations that we have, what controls,

(08:24):
what determines what type of work you can do, who
you need to talk to. Plenty of discussion at the
moment around building warranties. This is becoming quite a I
suppose now that the legislation is looming as in I
think the proposal is that well, certainly it's gone through
the House, so it's now in that process of becoming law,

(08:45):
with a view to having this system in place, to
have mandatory warranties for new bills and for renovations over
one hundred thousand dollars in place by about September of
next year with an interesting out for the government, which
is if they can't essentially get enough providers for the
warranty scheme, they could delay the introduction of the scheme

(09:07):
for another four years. That's written into the legislation as
I understand it right now as well. So we can
talk that, we can talk the practical, we can talk
squeaky floorboards, we can talk windows that won't close. Whatever
you would like to talk about with regard to building, construction, maintenance,
new builds, dealing with contractors, dealing with payments. Interesting. I've

(09:29):
been in contact with the Mediation Association over the last
little while, so might set up an interview there. This
is sort of an alternative pathway when things don't go well.
And there was a story in the paper the other
day about another sort of rogue builder who's about to
be banned from setting up any more businesses because he's

(09:50):
had a series of business failures, a lot of them actually,
some of them around the whole tiny home thing, which
kind of has reached I think it's almost reached a
maturity now. We're not getting as many stories of the
rogue operators there, but it's still out there. We can
talk about tiny homes. We can talk about dealing with contractors.
We can talk about making sure you don't get ripped

(10:12):
off when you're dealing with contractors. Whatever's on your mind
this morning. Yes, it is crisp, it is hopefully Actually
it's going to be a beautiful day by all accounts
in this part of the country anyway. And there's no
football to distract us at this point and time, although
there is a pretty big match coming up at nine
o'clock this morning, which I'll tune into as and when

(10:34):
I can. Right time for your calls, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number looking forward to chatting with
you this morning here on News Talk st B the
resident Builder on Sunday. That's me Pete wolf Camp. You
can call me right now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Where DIY gets unstuck call oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building
Supplies the future of ki We Building Today News Talks
be you're duced to walk s B.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
I'll have a look at a couple of texts in
just a moment. The texts number is nine two nine two.
Is it BZB for your mobile phone. Pete at Newstalk
zib dot co dot nz is the email, but phone
calls best eight hundred and eighty ten eighty twenty minutes
after six Jake, good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (11:19):
Good morning.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
How I am raising? So I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
It's good Christmas morning, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (11:25):
It sure was. I have to say it was just
that little bit of a sort of oh actually that's
a gim well look. And I just every time I
say it's a bit cold, I know that there will
be people around the country, you know, and I don't
know Central Otargo going just hardened up softy, but it
was a three degree to oldland. Yeah, exactly exactly. How

(11:47):
can I help?

Speaker 7 (11:47):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
So?

Speaker 9 (11:49):
I was putting it a new driveway at my place
and we had to remove a bit of dirt, probably
about a meter worth of dirt to do. So we've
found the mains cable for the house was there. So
we've got a sparky in and he's put in a
new trench and really the cable and we've concreted over.
Twelve months later, the cable has failed. Oh yes, so

(12:15):
we've got the sparky back out. He's figured out where
I guess the break in the line was. He's dug
up the driveway, found that there was a split in
the mains cable, replaced it, but still wants to send
us the bill.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Right, So obviously the question is who's responsible for it?
When the Sparky identified where the fault was and opened
up the driveway, which I can understand is pretty frustrating
giving it's a brand new driveway, was there any indication

(12:55):
as to what caused the split, because that's unusual, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (13:00):
Yeah, very unusual. Yeah, just a nick in the insulation
and it's just rusted itself through in about two different spots.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
And then you go, okay, so what would cause that
was it?

Speaker 10 (13:16):
Was?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
It poorly installed at the time, So I'm just trying
to think of that. You know, typically you do the trench,
you'd lay in a bit of fines, you'd have your
conduit ready to go. Typically Sparky's will feed the cable
through the conduit, make all the joins, then drop the
conduit into the trench and so on. So you know,

(13:40):
it's some stage someone involved in the installation of the
cable might have nicked the cable because once it's in there.
It's protected, right, that's the whole point of it being
buried at least six hundred mil deep, I think as
the rules were four fifty with some mag slab over
the top with the conduit and that should protect it.
But if you know, if in putting the cable through

(14:03):
the conduit they nicked the side of it and that
caused the damage. Almost impossible to prove. But because I mean,
you could always go to the manufacturer and go or
to the supplier and go look, has there been any
other cases where cable has failed? But it's I can't

(14:24):
think of a situation where cable has failed. If it's failed,
it's always been because somebody was negligent, careless in the install.

Speaker 9 (14:37):
That's what I'm kind of leaning towards as well. But
like you say, it's quite a hard thing to prove it.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
It is, really and without I guess the only thing
is that if it was the sparking then installed it,
and you've got the same electrician coming back to do
the remedia, which is pretty good that they came back
to sort it out, you'd kind of look at it
and go, well, look, unless there's evidence that it was
a product failure, I there's a problem with the cable.

(15:03):
Surely the problem is with the installation and handled the installation.

Speaker 11 (15:08):
Mm hmm, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 8 (15:12):
I feel that that would be I mean, these things
don't just happen, right, There's got to be part of
a there's got to be a fault somewhere and a
failure somewhere. So has the electrician build you sort of
for everything or just his time to work on the cable?

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (15:37):
To be honest, I haven't actually had a good bloody
look at it to be number.

Speaker 8 (15:41):
And went yeah, and and in terms of doing the repair,
did they did the electrician organize like a concrete cutter
and a digger and all the rest of it and
and reinstated the driveway as well. No, he hasn't reinstated it.

Speaker 9 (15:58):
So he's taken it about a two square meter slab out.
He was able to do everything himself, and he's just
left the concrete on the side of the driveway and said, yep,
the cables back and.

Speaker 8 (16:09):
Put that right, and is going to invoice you for that? Yes,
once the main was because you essentially replaced your old main, right,
so when it was installed to the board, to the

(16:31):
to the meter box, or to the distribution board. Was
that work then inspected by an electrical inspector.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Well, it has a certificate of compliance, so I would
assume he would have that qualification.

Speaker 8 (16:46):
No, there's two things there, and we had quite a
lengthy discussion on this little while ago. So there's like
a safety dock and then there's a coc But any
work on a board and any work that relates to
the main generally has to get signed off by an
independent electrical inspect So what you could do is have

(17:08):
a search on the register to see whether you're electrician
also has that qualification as being an inspector, and then
maybe request a copy of the inspection document. So I'm
thinking about the situation. Action was last year sometime again
a place that I look after. We had the overheads,

(17:33):
the overhead lines removed by vector and they undergrounded the
power to the house and so the guys that did
the work brought the new manes up into the existing
meter board which was located on the outside of the house,
and then before they could liven it up, they had
to get an electrical inspector to sign off on their
work because it related to the mains. And I'm just

(17:54):
wondering if you do a little bit of research and
find that, in fact, your electrician may not have got
that electrical inspector to do the work, which means that
maybe the line wasn't tested, then you could say, well,
hang on without that, do you know whether it was
in a good condition when you put it in or
whether there's this a fault as a result of your

(18:14):
work that wasn't picked up by an electrical inspection because
you didn't get one and you probably should have. You
could also go to the Electrical Workers Registration board and
chat with them about the process. But I would go
back through your records and go do you have a
copy of the electrical inspection for that new connection to

(18:35):
your board? Okay, awesome, Yeah, so a little bit of
detective work to do, Jake.

Speaker 11 (18:42):
Oh yeah, all right, awesome, let's know how.

Speaker 8 (18:45):
You get on. Take care. Yes see that your news
talk said B eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Jason, Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Good morning, Pete. My question is a bit laying compared
to is, but I was just wondering, how do you
get condensation in your window when you got double guaysed windows?

Speaker 8 (19:05):
Uh? Because pause. If I'm going to take a punt,
I'm going to say that your double glazed, You're glazing
is set inside an aluminium.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
Frame, Hodge.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Several are your windows your window frames aluminium or timber alumenum? Okay?
And how old would the aluminium be?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think these were more than twenty.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
Sixteen, okay, so prior to the introduction of the new
regulations where most aluminium joinery back then was what we'd
call standard or conventional aluminium joinery, in which case it's
aluminum from the outside to the inside. The one thing
we know about aluminum is it's a tremendous conductor. That's
why we make electrical cable out of it and a

(19:53):
whole lot of other stuff. So what's happening is on
a daylight today, the double glazing will help obviously to
keep the heat in and keep the cold out. But
your aluminum join is acting as a conductor. So the
cold from outside is traveling through the aluminium, which makes

(20:13):
the inside of your aluminum frame cold, and the condensation,
the moisture that's in the air inside your house is
looking for somewhere to land. It will land on that
it'll be attracted to the cold, it'll land there, turn
into and the vapor barrier turns into droplets and that's condensation.
So it's it's there primarily because of your aluminium joinery.

(20:35):
In this case, I would say.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh, fair enough, thank you very much. First, and I thought,
how do you get condensation in double glazes?

Speaker 8 (20:43):
Yeah, and this is a really tough thing, you know.
Obviously I've done a lot of work with Metro on
the retrofit double glazing for a long time, and every
now and then we'll have exactly that. Someone will go,
hang on, but I put double glazing, and therefore I
shouldn't have condensation. And you're right, you won't get condensation
on your glass. But if it's conventional aluminium jowinery, you
are still likely to get it on the joinery choice.

Speaker 11 (21:06):
Thank you so much, much.

Speaker 8 (21:07):
Pleasure, all the best, and you're less likely to get
it for example timber and certainly uPVC. And of course
most aluminum joinery these days is thermly broken. But it's
not terribly common at the stage. Just hasn't been around
that long, right he oh, it's just gone six thirty.
Here a news talk said, b if you've got a question,

(21:28):
and it can be well, it could be joinery, it
can be double glazing, it could be you know, contractors.
So while obviously I'm not an electrical contractor, I like
to think that I've been around long enough to have
and have dealt with a number of electricians and electrical
inspection issues over the years to offer up some insights
so that that will be a really interesting one to

(21:49):
see where Jake ends up landing on that particular question.
Lines are free for you right now eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Will come back after the break and have
a chat with John.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the resident builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent wh did
building supplies the future of can we building today?

Speaker 11 (22:10):
News talks?

Speaker 8 (22:10):
There be your news talks? There'd be quick text before
we took to John Morning Pete a friend of mine
had his house on the market in Otago, had a
buyer lined up who offered him four hundred and eighty
five thousand, subject to a builder's report. After they received
the builders report, the buyer pulled the pin on the
sail the owner had put in a staircase without a permit.

(22:31):
I presume that's interior staircase. Would that be the case,
why the buyer withdrew their offer from ann Well? I
suspect so, and then and sticks back again and gone, hey, Pete,
I forgot to ask what will happen with the house
that didn't sell? Read the builders report? Will the stairs
have to be removed? As I have a feeling it
won't pass the inspection. I mean, the whole point of

(22:54):
getting a pre purchase inspection done for the potential purchaser
is to ensure that they're buying something and not having
any unwanted surprises. So going to house discovering that internal
stairs were at it but there was no consent for that,
that then becomes an issue for the new purchaser if
they choose to buy the property in that condition, because

(23:16):
they become responsible for that unconsented work, which I think
is a burden most people would not like to bear.
So yeah, I can only imagine that the reason that
the purchase fell through. And also if the if the
potential purchaser wrote in their condition, I'm making this offer

(23:39):
subject to builders report at the sole discretion of the purchaser,
which means that you can't challenge the builder's report. Someone
can't say. Oh, no, I think your builders report's wrong.
That's an interesting issue. If you would like to chat,
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 11 (23:56):
John.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
Yeah, the ground player underground gabling. Yeah, then I I
much working eighty four now when I was working for
Pabot at that time. At one point and I can't remember,
I think it was in the seventy eighty and one
of a sudden somebody somehow fit imported Chinese cabling and
the company I was working for we said no, no,

(24:21):
we were connect it because it's been passed by the authorities,
but we will give no guarantee because we the company
wasn't happy. So the first thing he's going to find
out is it Chinese or it's actually New Zealand. Mate.
The second part of it is if it's inside your boundary,
I'm sorry, mate, you have the comp and that's the

(24:41):
end of it. Having splits on the side, yep, no,
I mean I've seen cables blow up and it was
only because of a little little pebble, and cables will
blow up across the road because of a little pedal.
The reason is the vibration of trucks and cars going
over it, so you know that. But having two splits,

(25:06):
I almost think to himself, is it? You know? What's it?
The genuine New Zealand cable. I don't know, of course,
but yeah, the only thing is.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
I don't know whether these days anyone actually makes cable
in New Zealand. I'm happy to stand corrected, but either way,
I mean, look, there's got to be a kid.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Those days when I was doing it. Yeah, yeah, look,
I think the game from your plumus memory. But to him,
I have to say, listen, mate, what you got to
remember is the moment you get a blob at a cable,
that's a weakness. Yeah, you follow me. Yeah, And you
don't know if the cable blew up to what extent,
and it may have heated part of key out sheeting, yes,

(25:48):
and therefore when he stomped on it everything else as
mother that company, he may not realized that. I don't know,
But you know, often re your statevive. Look, we know
your goner's lovely, but banging you and you know because
of it, usually you find that was what's the major problem.
But most New Zealand cables made if you made up

(26:10):
if you get a proper joint, Yeah, the heat shrinks,
and that it shouldn't go. It should be there forever.

Speaker 8 (26:17):
Ideally, you wouldn't want to put a joint in a
in a cable that's in the ground, would you. You'd
want that to be continuous from anything.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Yeah, anything was fair, right, And you put a joint,
that's a weakness in the cable, you cart get away
from it. And you know you can be the best
jointer in the world, but you cannot get away from
the the will become a weakness. But yeah, I'm feel
sorry for the mend. You know, you lay a nice drive.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
He's got a two meters square right in the middle
of it.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
That's ugly, and yeah, that'll sick with forever. Stay with
him the cable. Look at your driveway, right away from
your driveway and ask the power, sorry, get the sift
the power to lay a cable, and they will lay him.
It costs a bit more. But go along the road.
You follow me, Go just along the road a bit

(27:11):
and don't come into your property. Back to your meat
a board if you can, because you know, then if
ever you have the unhappy time, at least that you
know you're not looking you're looking at a be a
patch in the lord.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
In the law. Yeah, yeah, absolutely appreciate talking with you, John,
and thank you very very much for calling and that
experience as well. All the best to sens your news
talk Zi B and Jackie. Good Sorry, hold on it,
I've clicked on that. Nowicked on that. Now I've got
your Jackie. Good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (27:44):
Good morning, Pete, thank you for taking my call. I
just said a question, please. I had a double I've
got a farm cottage and I had an insert double
glazed window put in, so the sill and everything was
still the original. Jee's correct. And when I look out

(28:05):
the window, it's quite crooked. So I had the window
people come back and well, I first of all, I
had a builder friend come and have a look, and
he said that the sash is crooked. When I got
the window people back, they said that they're because it's
an insert. Forgive me, there's an allowance of sort of

(28:31):
imperfectional error. Yes, but it's like you're looking out that
you're drunk and that you're looking outside and it's quite crooked.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 8 (28:40):
It does so if for example, your existing I mean,
this is quite interesting for me in the sense that
what you've done is, you know, your existing window frame
is probably in reasonable or serviceable condition, but the sashes,
mullions and that sort of thing is not. And so

(29:02):
what happens is you I presume they came, they cut
those out, and then they had a pre made frame
ready to go, and it inserted into your existing frame,
into your timber frame.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
Sorry, the whole window was the whole window was new,
including the little windows that open inside.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
But when they when they came to do the job,
did they take out your entire window that was there, frame, mullion, sashes,
sill head, flashing, the whole lot, or did they leave
those in place and insert into there.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
That's what they did. They're inserted into and it's a
big window and then a little a big set window
and then two openings. Yes, and it's the opening part
that when you look out, they're quite crooked. So he
came with a piece of wood and bent it as
best he could, and it's still as croked. And I

(30:04):
don't think it's acceptable he bent. You put a piece
of wood in the opening window and bend it as
best they could.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
Yes, which might sound a little bit rough and ready
but I've seen it done and it's depending on the circumstances.
It's one way of adjusting the window, right. I guess
the really big issue is how true in terms of
plum and level are your is that existing frame? And

(30:35):
you know most houses move over time, so windows can
get racked out of shape. In which case, if they've
made a nice new square or regular sized window in
the factory and then they come to insert it into
an uneven opening somewhere, you've got to have a gap
or a essentially like a wedge that appears, because if

(30:58):
it's if one of them is square and the other
one is not square, it will show a difference. And
I guess that then comes back to the installer to
inform you as the customer, Hey, look, your window is
not square. We've made a square window. We're going to
install it, but you're going to have this appearance that

(31:18):
the two don't line up. And then you can either
accept or reject that solution. So in terms of now
that it's in, does it leak in terms of weather,
rain and so on, or are there drafts or gaps
around it?

Speaker 12 (31:38):
Well, that was the other thing. They came and installed
it on the wettest day that you could possibly And
then I found when you opened the window that opened
not the solid bit. Yes, it was the screw that
was sticking out. And I said, literally, and I said,
why is that? Then he said, oh, i'll countess think

(32:00):
that I'll come back. I don't know why it was.
And I think, well, that's not making the whole thing
that was into their original sell. I hope I've got
my terminology. There was the screw that I thought, that's
going to put water straight down into the wooden.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
Of the house.

Speaker 12 (32:18):
But he counts sunk that and straps some blue over
the top.

Speaker 13 (32:27):
Over the top.

Speaker 12 (32:28):
You can't see there, but.

Speaker 10 (32:30):
The whole.

Speaker 12 (32:33):
It's just when you stand in the kitchen and look outside,
the window on the left hand side is quite crooked. Yeah,
and it's still still looks crooked. And I don't I
didn't know if it.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
No, I mean like it basically, it shouldn't look like that, right,
if it's a brand new window, it should be nice
and square. And if the opening is not square, but
the new window is square, then you'd you'd add a
bead or you'd create you know, you shouldn't steer at
the new window and see that it's crooked. The what
are the new windows is made out of aluminium? Okay

(33:11):
with as.

Speaker 12 (33:12):
The windows of age over time, that's what we're so
I agree with you. And it's three and other rooms
in the house they've put those inserts, I call them
and the person it's straight and straight, but this particular one,
and they argue that there's an there's an allowance of
the perfection or error. And but I don't want to

(33:34):
look out the window and feel like I'm.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
No, no, that's right. The company that did the installation
or made the joinery, are they a member of the
Window Association of New Zella and that they should be.

Speaker 12 (33:49):
They're pretty reputable. But yes, I'll find out that.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
I wonder whether it's a phone call back to the
company and perhaps a discussion with the owner of the
business to go, hey, look, is this the sort of
work that you are happy with? And you know, just
check whether in fact they're part of a professional association,
in which case you might want to engage with them.
It might be one of those things too that you

(34:14):
get an independent assessment of it, maybe someone who can
measure the windows, just to make sure that in fact
the new window is square. And all of the dimensions
of the right sizes. Just check how they've installed it
to ensure that they're not going to cause any leaking,
if they've put some screws downward into the sill, those
sorts of things. But it sounds like they could have

(34:37):
done better, and I think it's probably worth going back
to them and saying, hey, look, I'd like you to
come out and have a look at this job and
get someone more senior rather than someone who feels like
they might just be brushing you off, which it sounds
like they are. Good luck with that, Jackie, all the
very best. Just looking down, we've done four jays in
a row. I don't know that I've ever had that

(34:58):
before on the program. So Jake, Jacob, John and Jackie
next call it Christine. We've broken that particular pattern. Forty
seven at NEWSTALKSB will come back with Christine in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Begging what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video.
The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Your News Talks B eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
number to call quick text on the cable failure that
we were talking about with Jacob. Sorry, actually first caller Jake. Yeah.
Nine times out of ten, says Ross. The cable failure
is due to external damage caused by other factors like
maybe the drainage guys or the driveway guys. Or it's

(35:46):
an extremely overloaded cable which is actually too small for
the current needs, which is an interesting point as well.
Quite the mystery there, right, Christine, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Good morning. I do have a problem with the boy
next door. Like he winked to the Brenham Mulda cops
three times. He objected to my diy rot the trees
with sheets over top to block his view because various

(36:19):
things have happened to me because he does not want
a view block. Okay, I have a one point eight
think loom sence. I open my door, stand on my
grass and I look lately at his windows. One window there,

(36:40):
move along, and the double window there. They just stick
up above the one point eight meters sink a loom sense.
I do not want to look at him. I want
what woom structure can I legally put up to block
his view.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
In some cases you can actually, I mean, I'm quite surprised.
Some councils actually allow fences to be higher than one
point eight meters, depending on where you are and what
the planning legislation is on a site. Yeah, you'd have
to go and talk to council about exactly how high
your fence can be. The other thing I've seen is
people do a fence to one point eight meters and

(37:22):
then they do six hundred millimeters of trellis on top
of that. The trellis isn't considered part of the fencing.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
The other just one moment, just one moment, I couldn't
possibly go to the fence with that boy has just
moved on it com possibly. So what I want to
do is I thought something like an easel with a
big wooden screen attached to the easel in front of
the windows.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
Is that, okay, well, it's your property, and to some
degree you can do what you want within your property
as long as it's within heightened relation to boundary. And
I guess as long as it's well, it's safe or
not safe as completely up to you, but be a
slightly unusual sort of circumstance. The other thing is planting

(38:12):
is go and get some you know, might take a
little while, but some planting might be a better solution
rather than some sort of rickety windy sort of structure. Yeah,
I'm not sure if I can offer much more help
than that. Christine, all the very best, Joanne, Hello.

Speaker 14 (38:29):
Good morning. I had my I've got a little tribute
drimmed house in March. I had the roof replaced, Alminion
roof and last week a guy came and changed the
falter on the smart vent.

Speaker 10 (38:47):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (38:48):
And when he finished the job, he said, oh, have
you had your roof replaced? And I said yes, a hey,
how did you know? And he said, because they've left
all the wood up in the roof. Will that be
affecting my insulation.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
In terms of what type of wood, Like when the
roof was replaced, did they have to replace the perlins
for example or something like that?

Speaker 10 (39:16):
No idea.

Speaker 8 (39:18):
I mean, look, it would be pretty poor practice if
the roofing contractor when they let's let's what was your
roof before you replaced it? What type of material was it?

Speaker 14 (39:31):
I think it was iron or steel or something. Yeah,
it was long long run.

Speaker 8 (39:38):
It was long run, Okay, so.

Speaker 14 (39:41):
They replaced it was long run, Yes, but it was
some sort of metal.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
Okay, look, I think I mean this kind of like
an expected standard.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Right.

Speaker 8 (39:52):
So for example, if I don't know, contract comes along
and for some reason they have to remove some timber
from the roof and replace it and so on, it's
not unreasonable to expect that they would then say, hey, look,
you know we've had to do this extra work and
we've got to take away this material and there's a
tip fee involved. I wouldn't expect them to go, well,

(40:14):
I'm just going to dump it all inside the roof
space and leave it there, because now the challenge is
how do you get it out? If it's long pieces
of timber, you're not going to get them out through
the ceiling hatch and that sort of thing. So to me,
it just seems like a professional standard thing. It's interesting
I was reading an article this week around reroofing. Actually,

(40:35):
like roofing is a restricted class, as in within the
LBP scheme, so for a new roof to be installed,
it needs to be done by an LBP. I'll do
a bit more reading. It seems like reroofing is not
considered a restricted class, in which case it doesn't have
to be done by a licensed building practitioner, was what

(40:57):
the article was saying. I haven't finished doing all my
research on this, but you know, I would have thought
that if as a contractor you're doing some work, you're
not going to live if your debris inside the roof.
So to me it seems like pretty poor work. It
would be interesting to go back, talk to the company,
maybe get a supervisor to come out and inspect it.

(41:19):
But to me, it doesn't seem reasonable that they should
just leave all their rubbish basically inside your roofs based
sort out later on. We'll be back straight after seven
cop News.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Turning those into She'll be right The Resident Builder with
Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building supplies a future of Kiwi
Building Today Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 15 (41:43):
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Speaker 5 (41:53):
Care if you can't tell the takes you amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
On the hell.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
Lariety.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
Oh, welcome back to the program. My name's people off
Camp the Resident Builder and this is the Resident Builder
on Sunday, so we get to talk about your place. Basically,
I was just thinking about I was reading an article
before it was a judgment from the tendancy tribunal about
I think a relative of a landlord who kept wandering

(42:29):
into the tenants property unannounced, including wandering to their bedroom,
And I was just thinking, you know, we can talk
about your place, but I don't necessarily want to get
that particularly personal about it. Anyway. That was just my
mind wandering for just a moment, But I'm back on track.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We can talk about tendancies and rental properties and standards

(42:50):
and those sorts of things. We can talk about electrical,
We've talked about roof replacements. We've talked about joinery, actually
just talking about the joinery and the insert aluminium which
goes in. And this is by and large not a
bad solution for certain types of older timber joinery. Is
that if the sash is the opening bits and that

(43:10):
start to get a bit wonky, or they've rotted, or
the hinges of gone, it's single glazing, you can just
take those out, keep the overall frame and insert new
jowinery into there. But it still should work properly and
it should function. And I can understand the frustration of
Jackie about looking at it and it's crooked right, that's

(43:32):
not really what it should be. And then it got
me thinking about the joinery as well, and I was
out it. It's the Stark factory. They make the ambience
uPVC joinery, and so instead of sort of screwing all
of their frames together because it's uPVC, it's actually welded
on a hot plate and molded together or welded mechanically. Yeah,

(43:54):
welded together. It's a phenomenal process to watch it, which
means you don't get any movement, which means you also
don't get any leaking through the corner of the jowinery.
It's quite an interesting process to watch, but of course
something you can essentially only do with you PVC jenery.

Speaker 11 (44:09):
Right.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
Oh, nine minutes after seven here at newstalk said, be
a couple of texts to get through in just a moment.
But Derek first up a very very good mind to you.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah, hi, peet clock. I just wanted to make a
comment regarding the power cable guy and his problem. I
am a semi retired electrical contractor in christ Churche and
if I could just add something that might help. Basically,
when we put underground cable and it's a neutral screened
cable it's called, which means the return cable power cable

(44:43):
is wound around the internal live cable that's coming through,
and that is quite often protected also with plastic sheeting
in bits of extra strengthening. So you finish up with
a cable where when you first rupture it, you're going
to go through the neutral cable first, which is at

(45:04):
the same voltage R potential as earth. So that's that's
the safe that when you get into the live that
of course, that's a whole new ballgame. But the other
thing is that the cave was supposed to be put
into a trench and protected. Now you mentioned about putting
it in conjured. We don't very often do that with

(45:24):
underground neutral screen because under the law it's required to
be protected. So what I would always do is put.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
In sand in conduit. Does it?

Speaker 11 (45:34):
No?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
No, No. In fact, what the normal procedure most guys
would do is put in a trench and then you're
supposed to put sand or some soft material around it
over the top of it. And the guy Jake that
was talking about it, he mentioned concrete over it, but
I don't know whether he meant it was concrete haunched
or whether he just meant that the drive's concrete.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
No, I think it was that the driveway was concrete,
so they dug the trench. But you know, you can
also imagine a situation where perhaps you know, okay, you
might put a little bit of fines around it, some
SAP seven or some sand or something like that, but
then you know, you don't put enough over the top.
Then you start backfilling with some sort of bony and material,

(46:16):
some heavy metal and that sort of thing, and then
if it gets compacted, what's to stop you know, the
compactor pushing some of that, you know, down onto Like typically,
if you were to do conduit mains cable in without conjurate,
would you put a mag slab over the top that
that heavy protective material that that strip.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yeah, definitely a good idea, and it has to have
has to have signal strip anyway, but that's only an indicator.
But you know, I would always put either ground treated
timber or something solid in between, and that in that situation,
the cable's got a bit of movement of a less
if it needs it, because you can imagine if a

(46:58):
concrete right round it, you know, But the other thing
of course is is one guy I mentioned the quality
of the cable. I mean it should meet New Zealand
standards as another one. And the other thing that I
don't know whether his electrician has public liability insurance or not,
but there was an option of having a thing called

(47:18):
good sold and if you installed something that turned out
to be faulty due to the manufacturer or something other
problem to do with that, the insurance company would cover
the replacement of the cable. So that's probably less likely
that the guy's got that cover.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
You might be able to answer a question or a
ticking away in the back of my mind is like,
I don't know how long the driveway was, but when
they discovered that there was a fault, the electrician was
able to determine where the fault was in this cable
underneath the driveway. How would you know that.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
You can buy equipment nowadays that will track that down
it's a wireless thing and pick up the signal and
you can find out where the break is pretty accurately.
But of course, from the way that Chap spoke, I
don't know. Without seeing the cable, you wouldn't know. But
I mean, if there was a split in the cable,

(48:20):
for example, in the outer sheath. That wouldn't necessarily cause
the cable fault because it still has to get through
to the inner core, which are separately insulated, and it's
also got to get through the neutral screen. So unless
the cable was put in and somebody knowingly knew it
had been damaged and decided to ignore it, it would

(48:41):
be very unlikely that that cable would break down. You know,
it does happen, but it's not very often. It's if
it's a good neutral screen standard of cable.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
Just a final quick question for you, Derek, Like if
you were the either the client or the in Let's say,
in this instance here, the work was done, there's a fault,
and the fault occurred basically within a year. The electrician
has come back who did the work, and repaired it,
but has sent the client an invoice for it. Do

(49:13):
you think they should charge for that work or should
they take responsibility for it and say, well, look, it's
my problem, I'm going to fix it.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
I think they should take responsibility. But the normal thing
to do would be to go back to the power
company and they're representative, get them to inspect the cable
and it wouldn't be too difficult to find out whether
it's been an external damage at the or whether it's
come from inside something to do with the manufacture. And
if it is Chinese or some other brand, it doesn't

(49:44):
necessarily mean it's bad, but it would need to have
a New Zealand certification. But that would be the sort
of thing I've had That situation happen not with an
underground cable, but where you can go back to the
manufacture or the supplier and they will look at it
and if they deem that it has been a manufacture fault,
they will cover you for that. But when it comes

(50:06):
to the labor and the installation work, that pretty much
comes back to the responsibility of the contractor to have
insurance to cover it or if they take the risk.
I guess you may finish up in the small claims
court debating as to who's responsible, or you negotiate a
shared settlement or.

Speaker 11 (50:25):
Something like that.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
You know, yes, absolutely, Oh. I really appreciate the insight
and obviously the experience, So thanks very much for that, Derek.
That's quite illuminating. It does raise for me anyway, questions around.
There's been a change in legislation which allows makes it
a little bit more straightforward for overseas building products to

(50:49):
be imported and used in New Zealand for restricted or
within for restricted building work. So things that are critical
to the performance of a building that has a building consent,
typically all of those materials you've had to prove their
compliance with standards in order to be used for restricted

(51:10):
building work. Simplest example is a sealant for example, So
if a certain type of sealant is specified maybe for
around a window junction or in a shower or something
like that, then that product has to meet New Zealand
standards and that's quite a process. And in some cases

(51:31):
product that is coming from comparable nations that has a
good reputation, long standing company, they've got all the test
results and so on. That product is fully compliant somewhere
else in the world. When it arrives here, it needs
to get New Zealand compliance, which is kind of an
arguably an unnecessary burden. So the idea with the new
legislation is that as long as you can prove that

(51:52):
it complies, you can bring these products in and you
can use them. But there is also then it opens
up the possibility that some of these products will come
into the country potentially with false or misleading asurances around
their compliance with code or with meeting the standard, and

(52:13):
we may well get some failures. And I was watching
some videos popped up socials the other day around testing
of joinery that have been imported into Australia, so overseas
manufactured joinery being bought in, being used and looked like
residential developments, and when subjected to the standard type of

(52:35):
tests that you would do on joinery, they failed, and
they failed almost immediately. And yet somehow they'd been imported
and installed in buildings and now they're finding they're failing.
In one case, it was like a ranch or a
sliding door that basically when you applied a little bit
of pressure to it, i e. Wind it fell out,

(52:57):
sash fell out, the whole thing just collapse. Water came
pouring in through the cell and so on. So it's
going to be really interesting to see how that particular
change to the legislation plays out over the next little while.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eight would take a short break,
We'll talk to Michelle in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
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resident Building with Peter WILFCAMP and Independent Building Supplies the
Future of Kiwi building Today. Call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty news Talk ZB Now.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
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quite sure where to start, what products to use, what's
new to the market, then Building Z might just be
the place for you. I'll be there on Wednesday the
fifteenth and Thursday the sixteenth, alongside the great team from
Ambience uPVC Joinery by Stark. Now to tell us a
little bit more, I've got Harry from Ambience with me

(53:51):
this morning.

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for the building, construction, design and architecture industries.

Speaker 11 (54:04):
People come to.

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uPVC Joinery, how it works, why it matters, and whether
it's right for their place, We'll be there to help.
We'll show you the options and guide you on what

(54:27):
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Speaker 8 (54:49):
So if you want to find out a little bit more,
check it out Ambience dock co dot Nz and just
those dates again so Building Z which is actually a
really great event and I quite enjoy being there, and
I'll be with the Stark Ambience team. That's JA twenty
six each d so Wednesday Thursday from twelve to thirty,
but you have to register to get them. But it's

(55:13):
it's much it is a very trade focused sort of
event and there's a number of speakers as well, And
if you want to come up in a bit of
a chat like I say, I'll be there both days
as well, but from twelve thirty through till about one
thirty or so, I'll be with the Stark Ambience team
as well. It is seven twenty three here at news

(55:34):
Talk said be just a quick text that's come through Pete.
I accepted a quote from a company to replace my
internal gutter system with an external gutter system. I've paid
half the amount, which is about six grand as a deposit.
I can't get them to do the job. They won't
reply to my phone calls, text emails. What can I do?

(55:56):
So the telephone number ends in three three six? Could
you give us a call? To be fair, I take
a little bit personally because I know that I from
time to time will mention three companies that do this
type of work. I'm sure there are others out there.
I'd really like to know that it's not one of
the three companies that I'll recommend. So if you could

(56:21):
give Mark, my producer a call and just give me
a little bit more detail on that. I just want
to follow up on that for you. So, if you're
the person that's paid a six thousand deposit and now
you can't get the contractor to turn up to do
your essentially concealed spouting external facia through to an external
spouting on a new facier, please give us a call. Oh,

(56:44):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Actually,
just another quick one on this one's just fired through
morning peak UPBC stairs me with the UV stress after
time have they got this fixed? Some of the early
installations I've seen are starting to show signs. Also, the
aluminum joiners should start welding the frames. It's huge issue.
I don't know that we'll see the aluminum joint. I

(57:07):
mean possibly they could do it, but I don't know
that it's that easy. But in terms of the uPVC,
I think, I mean, it was really interesting. I was
cleaning out spouting the other day. It's Marley spouting. So
it's PVC. It's been up for about it's got to
be forty years, roughly easily forty years, i'd say, and

(57:30):
it's actually lasted remarkably well, I have to say. So
in terms of you know, does this stuff last year?
It does, And that's PVC, So you do the uPVC
modern technology. I'd have no concerns about the durability. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Just just reemphasizing too, the person that has paid the
deposit for that work. Could you please let me know

(57:52):
who that is, which particular company. I just want to
make sure it's not one of the ones that I
would recommend from time to time. Michelle. Greetings to you morning.

Speaker 12 (58:01):
Pete.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Hey.

Speaker 16 (58:03):
On the topic of gushers, I've got internal gutters and as.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
In the gutter is tucked in behind a metal facier
that you can see on the outside.

Speaker 16 (58:14):
Okay, yep, yeah, And I need to clean them, and
I don't really know how. I can barely put my
hand in there.

Speaker 8 (58:21):
And that is the problem with them in some ways,
is that often the open I tell you what I found,
and I couldn't actually find that many of them, but
I did find it at might a ten mega, and
I also I was so impressed I bought an extra
one down at the local Hammer hardware store. I think
it's by Raven and it's a gutter cleaning scoop basically,

(58:43):
so it's quite narrow. It'd be fifty mil or so
with a scoop on it. You can get them with
a brush on one end as well. And I found
I was doing Marley spouting on timber facia with concrete
tiles right, So in most cases there was a reasonable
gap in which I could get in there and use
the scoop to scoop up essentially just like a black

(59:04):
mush sediment that was in the box of spouting, So
that little scoopa is the way to go.

Speaker 16 (59:12):
I don't know, I don't think that fits in.

Speaker 8 (59:15):
Yeah, I know what you mean. The only sort of
solution then is often and again I would recommend that
you try and disconnect the downpipe so you're not pushing
all of the stuff into your stomwater system. Is just
with a hose to go along and work your way along,
pushing the sediment along with a hose in there, and

(59:36):
maybe you know, you end up getting something like a
dishwash brush right with a long handle, but it's a
little bit narrow, just to break the material up and
push it along and then work your way I guess
away from the downpipe. So start near the downpipe, clean
everything out, keep working away and just using the water
to rinse it out.

Speaker 16 (59:58):
And it's so if you don't those sta downpipe then
and how do you get it out?

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
Well, I see, I'm a little bit concerned if you
do gutter cleaning and you don't disconnect the downpipe like
I literally try and work out how many meters twenty
forty sixty probably about the equivalent of about let's say
eighty meters of guttering right, and I would have got

(01:00:28):
one and a half ten liter buckets of sediment out
of there. So that's not really what I would have
liked to have pushed into the store water line because
it's going to sit around somewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
Yeah, and that's why I wanted to disconnect the downpipe,
because I didn't want that going into the storm water line.
I guess in the end, if you can't do that
and you can't get it out, then you've really got
no option. But for those concealed spouting systems that you've got,
maintenance is really really important because there's not a lot
of freeboard on the back of the gutter, and when

(01:01:04):
they do block up, they to overflow over the back
of the concealed gutter and then it's onto the safe
and then it's into the building envelope. So yeah, maintenance
is key. Okay, yeah, all right, but you're right, it's
not easy. But maybe just a hose and a dishwash brush,
you know.

Speaker 16 (01:01:23):
Yeah, yeah, probably because it would.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Actually fit on it exactly exactly, and you need something
to just yeah, and we'd glove so you don't chop
your hands up.

Speaker 16 (01:01:32):
Yeah, look after yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
Be safe up there. Take care the other thing. I mean,
I know, it's a very simple kind of job and
it's not terribly technical, and the rest of it. Doing
it was felt really really good. But also I like
I bought some a frames and some scaffold planks and
but some pieces with me so that I could do
rather than having to constantly move, I could do. I

(01:01:55):
could set up a bit of a station and I
could do eight or nine meters at a time basically
with a couple of planks. And certainly it feels a
lot safer being on a few planks than constantly up
and down the ladder. It gets through that temptation to overreach.
She just I'll try and find the name of that
particular little scoopa thing. But worked well. I was quite

(01:02:18):
happy with that. Stuart, greetings morning Pete.

Speaker 10 (01:02:23):
On my property, I've got about a fifty year old
double garage which I'm pretty one hundred percent sure is
clad and fib lol it which will be asbestos. I
would think I'm going to get the asbestos company to
remove all the clouding. I want to reclad it, and
I was just wondering what's the best product to put on.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
Oh look, take your pack. I mean seriously, you know,
depending on if you wanted to match the house, you
could match the house cladding, which is likely to be weatherboards.
If you're looking for something a bit more utilitarian, you
could go for plywood with a baton over. It's a
garage you could go for you know, you could do

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element you could do metal cladding, that sort of thing.

Speaker 10 (01:03:15):
Would that trigger a building consent?

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
Well, actually I tell you what I read because I've
been doing this some study through the New Zealand Institute
of Building Surveys, right, and so I've done the first
five modules of their qualification, and one of them is
around building consents and determination. So I read a determination
from Inby where someone had removed old asbestos cladding and

(01:03:45):
replaced it with plywood. And the determination from Inby is
best I understand it is that essentially they regarded that
as like for like right, because it's a sheep material
replacing a sheet material. The other thing is, I guess
there's a lower burden of proof in the sense that

(01:04:07):
you know it's your garrett right, it's not a habitable space.
I think that if you were to remove that cladding
put the building wrap up, do you know you might
want to go for a cavity baton just to ensure
it and then use plywood for example, around it. I
think you'd be fine.

Speaker 10 (01:04:25):
Thanks, be lovely, thanks to.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
Take care to all the best. I every now and
then I say things without really thinking about it, to
be fair, and so some months ago I mentioned the
fact that I was undertaking these first five modules of
the New zellments due to Building Surveyors course in the
first five modules gives you a standalone qualification for prep

(01:04:52):
for basically property inspections. It's a level six qualification end
z e q A, the whole shebang. But in order
to achieve that, it's five modules, which means five exams,
and the past mark is it's quite interesting. It's a
seventy percent pass mark. Anyway, I'm happy to say I've
passed all of those modules and received the other day

(01:05:14):
via email my official certificate in Property Inspections now is
endorsed by the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys. So
it was quite nice to sort of be back in
the classroom. And yeah, quite nice. It's been a while
since I sat an exam. Quite nice to know that
I still passed. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We'll take another short break. Talk to Susan in just a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Moment where DIY gets unstuck Call Oh eight eight the
Resident Builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent Building supplies the
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Speaker 11 (01:05:48):
Today.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
News talks be possibly best texts of the morning. They've
all been great, but this is particularly outstanding. Morning, Pete.
I tell you, I can tell you what can fit
into that internal guttering, bloody starlings, that's fantastic. The little
scoopa that I found might attend the other day is
the easy flow gutter scoop. There's a whole bunch of

(01:06:10):
different ones, but i'll tell you what. It's now an
essential part of my toolkit. I'll tell you that. It
is seven thirty seven and Susan, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I'm just wondering about putting a membrane in a shower wool.
I'm putting up putting up gumal wool waterproof tiles. And
can anybody do that? I mean that you you know
that has done waterproofing before that is say retired or

(01:06:44):
do you have to go to the full extent that
you have to get a specialist in so so the
plumber's done all the work, yea. And now the the
you know, the jib, the waterproof jib's going up and
then the membrane just gets paint. Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
Okay, so it's a waterproof membrane applied basically from a
bucket with a brush.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
Enough.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Yes, if it's well installed and it's you know, you've
followed all of the manufacturer's details. So some of those
systems require a primer that's applied to the substrate first,
in which case you've talked about doing waterproof jib, which
would be aqualine or something similar. Then you do the

(01:07:40):
sealer slash primer, and then you apply the product. There
might also be some reinforcing that you apply through the corners,
and then you need to ensure that the tiler uses
an adhesive that is compatible with the waterproofing. But yeah,
do they last. Look my own experiences, I don't know,

(01:08:00):
something like twenty plus years ago when I renovated I
back then you could. I think I did the waterproofing
in the shower, which was a brush on one. Into
the best of my knowledge, it hasn't leaked. So yeah,
well installed, Yes it will last.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Oh that's all right, because I'm I'm having a bit
of trouble with my son. We'll not trouble. But I
understand where he's coming from. He thinks that I have
to get a professional to do it. I wondered, did
they what secret meth and that? Have they got well
that people couldn't put on?

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
I think, well, so the work that you're having done.
Have you changed a shower to now a fully tiled shower?

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
Well, it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
These these these waterproof wall tiles. They are the Duma
wall tiles, and they slot them together. That's what's going up.

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Have you had an experience with them.

Speaker 8 (01:09:05):
I've heard of something similar, whether it's that one or
a different one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Mighty ten seldom right.

Speaker 8 (01:09:12):
But just a quick question. This is inside a shower.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
It's an inside on the shower walls. And I've only
pulled the old shower out that's been these thirty odd
years because I'm coming up seventy six and i want
to be prepared. So I've put on the biggest share
because the other one was only ninety nine hundred by
nine hundred. I couldn't have someone come and show me

(01:09:38):
if something happened when I'm in the eighties. I'm getting
prepared for my old age.

Speaker 17 (01:09:44):
Sure, everyone laugh.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
Good, good on you. What's the shower tray?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
It's it's Oh, it's one that's concreted and I can't
remember the name of it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
It's like a liner. It's an acritic liner or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, aquas shower one that comes with their glass the
glass it's glass Wolves and it's the base they sell.
All right, it's really heavy metal.

Speaker 8 (01:10:13):
Yeah, all right. Look, I think you know if this
work doesn't actually require a building consent because it's aligning,
if you were to, as long as you someone is
doing it in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations, and they
have a reasonable degree of competency, you're right they should

(01:10:37):
be able to install it. It's a product you can
buy off the shelf. But I think you just want
to be really, really sure that the person is doing
the work to the standard that you would expect for
it to work.

Speaker 10 (01:10:48):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Well, my partner used to do boats years ago and
painting boats and manta and ships and they and he said,
you know everything about waterproof.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
Right, Well, if you feel that they do actually know
everything about water proof thing, then it's completely your right
to get them to do it. I can understand the
cautiousness from your son around getting a professional, then I
mean it is a skilled task and a skilled trade,
and there is a series of steps that you need
to take in order to ensure that it lasts and

(01:11:25):
performs as it should. But I'm not suggesting that someone
else couldn't have that competency. So yeah, I think as
long as you know what the risks are and you're
confident of the ability of the person, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
And I keep it, and I keep when the things
are brought, and I make sure that he is following
the rule.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
Yep, perfect, I like that. Keep keep a beady eye
on them. I think that's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I've had so many cheese over the share It's ridiculous.
I've got what I wanted and brilliant and I'm going
to do this one.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
So you go for it. Sounds wonderful. All the very
best of season. Take care. We're going to take a
break then going to have a chat with Mike Olds
from Razine Construction a bit of an insight into I
think that the way in which all builders contractors are
going to have to change their approach with this home

(01:12:20):
warranty scheme coming up. So Mike Old's after the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Break measure twice call once on eighty ten eighty The
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Speaker 8 (01:12:37):
Radio this morning, joining me, friend of the show. I
hear that on some podcasts. I quite like the phrase,
Mike olds a very good morning to you, sir, gotcha, Mike,
good morning?

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Yeah, how are we go?

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
Not too chevy? Not too chevy at all? A little
bit in it this morning, It genuinely is. I have
to say there was ice on the windscreen this morning.
Took a while to let that defrost before I got
my way into work. But hey, one of the things
that has started to sort of bubble up in terms
of public consciousness is this move towards mandatory home warranties.

(01:13:14):
This is the legislation. It's now in the house, it's
going to be there next year, potentially around September of
next year, and it's going to require a mandatory home
warranty for all new builds, in all renovations over one
hundred thousand dollars. And the focus has very much been
on the builder offering a warranty. But we all know

(01:13:36):
that building is a series of trades all undertaking their
work to ensure building performance. You guys Rezenm Construction. Obviously
it's exterior cladding, and I just wonder whether or not
people have started to wrap their head around the idea
that I think all of us in the game, in
the construction are going to have to be a lot

(01:13:58):
better at record keeping, a lot better at providing evidence
to a third party to say that our work is
going to apply and going to last and going to
remain weather tight in this case. But it feels like
for some they're they're going to chase their tails to
catch up others. My insightment to your operation is you've

(01:14:19):
been doing this for years.

Speaker 11 (01:14:22):
Yeah, I mean it's really important and just for it
just to go back and spend, just for those that
are not aware in terms of this change. So the
old method was joined in several liability whereby the Virginia
the Council, ultimately the rate payers and or businesses that
were still in business. That would be if there was

(01:14:44):
an issue on a building site and you were involved
on that project and you were seen to be involved
in the issue that was faced, you would just be
drawn into irrespective of your proportion of liabilities. You might
have had one percent liability with an issue, but you

(01:15:05):
could be sitting there with the Council dealing with one
hundred percent of the issue, which in terms of is
reasonably it was really unfair. So the new changes to
bring it to a proportional liability. So if it's directly
related to say, forgraph it's a roofing issue for argument's sake,

(01:15:31):
the claning is not necessarily involved, so it's it generally
falls back to that particular trade or the supplier, and
if there's any building work involved by the builder then
they would be involved as well, So it sort of
takes out of the loop to a large degree council's
exposure and with respect individual trades exposure, designers exposure to issues.

(01:15:55):
So we had at our conference this year, we had
we had a reasonably significant session with new jealousy to
building surveyors and Daryl August came and presented to us
and a lot of it came down to in terms
of with the trades is their documentation and the information
recorded during the construction process. So as much as a

(01:16:18):
discussion with an architect or a builder on site for
tradespeople that are for ourselves doing the external cladding and
we're meeting up with other junctions, the roof diverts, the
ahead flashings on windows, the ground level clearances. Those types
of notes and commentaries should always be recorded and if possible,

(01:16:39):
photographic evidence recorded during the construction process. And we started
this probably about twenty years ago, where we, as a
business and supplier into the market, started taking photographs and
reviewing at a substrate installation level, So as soon as

(01:17:01):
the cladding is installed, the fixings are installed, the flashings
are installed, we would review the project and take photographs
of different elevations, different details, So we actually started to
build a record of work for what was installed, and
over the years it's become incredibly important, especially I don't
think you've run me a couple of times and said

(01:17:21):
I've spoken with someone or someone throwing the show and said, look,
we're not sure if it's rock code, or if it's
not sure if it's one of our systems, and we
don't want to know what it is. So we'd actually
look up on the file, start with the address. Normally
the address is the safest bit because a lot of
projects they generally sell to new homeowners, so the client's

(01:17:41):
name doesn't become valid or relevant, and we would actually
just go back and look into that project. We could
find out the date, the time it was started, the
data was completed, the original contractor, the plaster finishes the colors,
the building contractor, and there was also a report section
in there as well, so that would actually we would

(01:18:04):
actually pick up notes in terms of discussion about what
was happening on site. Now they vary, I mean obviously,
I mean the more complex a project, the more information
it will generally be held. The more simpler the project
or the lower risk of the project, you tend to
have less information for obvious reasons. But it's incredibly important
for all trades out there now heading into this new

(01:18:26):
new regime that they document thoroughly their actions and activities
on site, especially where it is not just the standard detail,
and especially when you're coming up against an alternate trade.
You know, as much as we think everyone gets it

(01:18:47):
and everyone does their bit, the industry in terms of
the trades, were still reasonably fragmented in our staging on
a project, and you tend to find in smaller regions
every trade knows each other as they've worked with them
for years, so they have a good understanding and a
good appreciation of what each and their trades are doing

(01:19:09):
and the connections to the other trades. So yeah, it's
a fantastic change in terms of a protecting the ratepayers obviously,
but equally that more importantly the consumer of the person
who's purchasing that resonance or is having that residence built.
It just provides a lot more surety to that project

(01:19:29):
going forward.

Speaker 8 (01:19:30):
And I think for me, the message that I'm starting
to pack up on and what I'm you know, when
I'm talking to other contractors people are going to have
to provide evidence right that this whole building is going
to be able to be warranted in the future is
we've got to get a lot better at our record keeping.
Essentially that you're going to have to document what you do.
You're going to have to back it up with photographs.

(01:19:52):
You're going to be able to store and record that
and have it accessible to someone into the future. And again,
you know your comment, I a year or so ago
rang you with an address. Someone had approached me wanted
to know about the clouding. You could look it up.
You had all of the photographs, you know, who did it,
when they did it, what it looked like, and so on,

(01:20:12):
And that's the kind of standard I think that we're
all within the trades are going to have to get to.

Speaker 11 (01:20:19):
Yeah, very much so. And it's and it's it's not
about necessarily ultimately, I suppose if there's if there's an issue,
and that's saying it's something to do, because one of
the hardest thing to do in the industry is we
don't have X ray goggles. We can't see through the
wall linings into into into how things are fixed. So
if you have some information there that will help in
terms of understanding a particular junction or a particular installation

(01:20:42):
of a system, it will go a long way to
supporting either your innocence or quite possibly.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
Your your your capability.

Speaker 11 (01:20:53):
Yeah, exactly exactly, you know, and we always yeah, well learn,
always make new mistakes. But there will always be in
this in this industry because it is hand crafted and
it is done by by by humans and we're not infallible.
And I think if we can and take I think
it shows that if if you can record this information

(01:21:15):
and take this information, you actually care about your trade
and your work that you're actually installing and not let's
get in there fast, let's get it done, and let's
move on, you know, because we don't want to be
back where we were. You know, we'll have our less
we forget moment in the construction sector popping up again.

Speaker 8 (01:21:32):
And absolutely absolutely no. Look, it's a great insight. And
you know I had a text the other day someone going, oh,
why do you keep banging on about this? But I
think this is coming right. It's going to change the
landscape in terms of construction and all of us in
the sector need to get on board with it, or
need to kind of follow your example, to be fair,
because I think you guys are ahead of the game.

(01:21:53):
Michael has always really appreciate your time. This morning, stay
warm and you're off to golf.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Mate.

Speaker 11 (01:22:01):
No, I don't think. I think the course is closed
this morning. As a little goldpre in Orphan today, a
little bit, a little bit of that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:07):
It was. It was it's going to be a beautiful day,
but it was Chris, all right, take care, Mike, think
you very much. We Buildings see you on Wednesday Thursday.
See then indeed Buildings at Wednesday Thursday of this week.
It's a good event and there's a whole bunch of speakers.
I think Chris Pink is going to be there, so
I might have a quick chat with them. Let's get
them back on the show at some stage as well.

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But it fixed.

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Speaker 8 (01:23:06):
Were Good morning, welcome back to the program. It is
seven minutes after eight, which I think might make it
lufton arm. Yes, I'm going to persist with this. I
think it's a great idea. I know it's cold, it's
cold outside, but chances are inside your house it's built
up with lots of sort of moist air, heavily laden

(01:23:28):
with the moisture that we as human beings expel and
so on. So a couple of minutes of just opening
the doors and windows up front, door, back door, get
some ventilation going, lift and time is what it's called.
And I'm a huge fan of it myself. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll take your calls right
through till thirty this morning. We'll continue with your calls

(01:23:49):
through till eight till nine o'clock, but of course it's
gardening with red climb passed from eight thirty. Couple of
quick texts just we talked to Helen four degrees in
Auckland this morning, apparently nine point nine degrees on the
tropical Great Barrier Island at seven am this morning. Someone's
asked me for the past mark for my exams. I

(01:24:11):
think I'll keep that private. I think I don't know
I need to go there, but I did pass, which
is pretty cool, I think anyway, and I'm quite chuffed.
Sh or the very long one about We'll try and
get to that in a min Actually, here's one. Do
you know if an approved home warrant of fitness document
is envisage to confirm compliance from phil I don't know

(01:24:35):
that any of us really know what it's going to
look like, apart from the fact that right now there
are three potential pathways that I can see. Two of
them are warranty schemes that are all guarantees that are
offered up by one by Halo, which is part of
Certified Builders. The other is the Master build guarantee. The

(01:24:57):
other one is Stanford Insurance, who will offer a building
an insurance backed building warranty as well. It's already in
the market. Apart from that, we're not sure who's going
to actually provide these warranties. Given that the clock is ticking,
we will need to know before that legislation comes in.
And I've loved the text about the gutter cleaning and

(01:25:21):
people's various techniques cutting down old milk bottles, using a brush,
using a scoop, using a wooden spoon, anything to get
in there. It did get me thinking, as I spent
a good couple of hours, to be fair, cleaning the
spouting out the other day, just looking at spouting that

(01:25:42):
perhaps a little bit wider, and maybe spouting that attaches
without an internal clip, so a clip that prevents you
from getting your hand in and getting all the way along. Certainly,
if I'm thinking about a new build, I'd be thinking
about spouting that's easily maintainable and perhaps with greater capacity

(01:26:03):
as well. Like I think the issue with the building
that I was working on is while the number of
downpipes probably complies with the code, and certainly would have
complied at the time. I'm not sure whether it copes
with the current weather conditions. Too many elbows, too many corners,

(01:26:23):
too many change of direction, too long a run to
get to the outlet, to get to the downpipe. And
I think the other key disconnect the down pipes. You
don't want to push all that muck into the stormwater
system either. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll
keep talking building right through till eight thirty this morning,
remember rid from eight point thirty as well. Good morning, Helen, Yes,

(01:26:47):
good morning, good morning. How can I help? Hello Helen? Hello? Ah,
maybe not. I think Helen's spared on us. That's all right. Uh,
someone's takes through one degree in papakurd Pete, it's two
point five degrees here, there's no time for lift and time.

(01:27:10):
Tell you what, it'll still work. It'll still work even
at two and a half two point five degrees. One
degree in Papakura it's but chilly all right past marks year.
We're not going to go there cleaning and eternal gutters.
I love this small clearance. If there's a small clearance,
use a wooden spoon. You slide it down the gap,

(01:27:31):
and then you turn it nine degrees and the way
you go. But I agree, and says the text, I
do agree to and agree disconnect the downpipe. Ideally put
something up temporarily so you don't get muck all down
the side of the house, and then reconnect the downpipe,
which is not hard to do. To be fair, someone said,

(01:27:54):
thanks for the show. Really appreciate that. Thank you very much.
Damien right house built in twenty seventeen, double glazing. It's
now failing because the condensation appears between the glazing panel.
We contacted the window company last year and they've claimed
on our behalf with the glazing company for two windows,
and now we have another nine that are failing. Certainly,

(01:28:20):
I think that they should last longer than that, and
I suspect that there's an issue with the manufacture of
the DG units, and I think, Dawn, you should be
able to claim for those as well. Twenty seventeen. I mean,
you're getting close to that ten year warranty period, don't you.
But I think you should be able to claim for that. Marian,
good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (01:28:41):
Good morning Pete, Pete. I listened to your program every Sunday,
and I really enjoy listening to it. It's so informative.

Speaker 14 (01:28:49):
Pete.

Speaker 17 (01:28:50):
There were two questions I had this take earlier this morning.
Your answered one. One was about the condensation of the
aluminum windows. However, the other one was I still had
a chill, like it's not a breeze, but a chill
coming through the double blade element in Mondoz and I'm

(01:29:12):
wondering why that occurs.

Speaker 8 (01:29:19):
I mean, what what would I mean one of the
things with I suppose with the wall. No, with Aleman jewinery,
particularly as it gets a little bit older, because there's
like the way.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
That it's installed is there's older half.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
There's a rubber seal around the perimeter, right, that's that tuxin,
So there's a rubber seal that the glass mounts against.
And then once the joinery is installed, then there's often
a holding bead and that has a rubber seal around
it as well. And over time they can deteriorate. That's
not unexpected, and so I've seen them sometimes where you

(01:29:54):
know there'll be like a ten to fifteen millimeter gap
in the corner or where it bends through the corner
that's shrunken and it pulls away. So if you go
to the outside of the house, and you notice that
some of that that ceilant or those seals around the
windows has started to deteriorate, pull away, or it's missing.
Then maybe get someone like Exceed Window Maintenance to come

(01:30:16):
through and do.

Speaker 17 (01:30:18):
Do a replacement of that for you are I'm in
christ Arch.

Speaker 8 (01:30:24):
Yeah, I think Exceeder everywhere, but there will be other
maintenance people who will come and do that. The profiles
are relatively standard. Exceed Exceed is one company that I've
used before to do that work. And window Exceed Windows
and Doors. Yeah, e x E X E ED Yeah, Exceed.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
Oh that's great, I'll look at that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
Yeah, because so that might be part of it. It
might be around the sash. The other thing is that
if it's an opening window, so for example, if the
latch starts to get a little bit loose and it's
not pulling the sash in tight against the frame, you'll
get some drafts around there, or perhaps the seal on
the inside of the frame has started to deteriorate, in

(01:31:13):
which case they can be repaired and replaced as well.

Speaker 17 (01:31:17):
No, I do notice that even if the windows that
do not open, I will I'll get somebody out to
have it to check that out.

Speaker 8 (01:31:25):
Sure, and it's definitely a draft. It's it's wind that
you can feel, or is it just cold?

Speaker 17 (01:31:34):
It's just it just a draft.

Speaker 8 (01:31:37):
Yeah, yeah, check the seals. It'll make a big difference.

Speaker 17 (01:31:42):
And then we have the condensation problem as well.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
So that'll be because the aluminium joinery is standard aluminium
jowinery and and you'll get condensation because you get heat
transferred through the aluminium. Right.

Speaker 12 (01:31:55):
Yes, I heard you.

Speaker 17 (01:31:55):
Saying that earlier this morning. That answers one of the questions,
because I was going to ask about that too, and
I think, oh, well, that answers that question. I will
call you about about the when I'm you know, pulling
out the persons or closing them in the evening, I
feel that that chilled coming through. All right, I will

(01:32:17):
call somebody like Seed.

Speaker 6 (01:32:20):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
Sunday, Take care all the best. Eight hundred and eighty
eighty is the number to call and Joan, good morning
to you. Hello, Joan, Hello, Hi.

Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
Street, go for it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:40):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 16 (01:32:41):
Now?

Speaker 18 (01:32:42):
What on that?

Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
What's on my mind is like a d glassing if
that's the word. Earlier you spoke about taking glass out. Yes,
my question is about a tall bookcase it's as wide
as if I can. Just it's a wide, tall bookcase,

(01:33:06):
and it's double doored and glass doored, and I have
it has survived every earthquake over the last forty years
in Rennington without toppling. But I'm now thinking I really
don't want that thing toppling, right the break blocking egress

(01:33:30):
and et cetera. As well as books. The pile of
books is nothing but broken glass.

Speaker 11 (01:33:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
My question is, I know you could take the doors off,
but could you leave the doors on that who stopped?
Who knows how to take out glass? Tally?

Speaker 8 (01:33:52):
I mean for this sort of thing, you probably want
to find like a furniture restorer or a good old
fashioned joiner who might be able to because chances are
the doors that are on the front of the bookcase
we'll have a little bit of beating. If you remove
the beating carefully, you can then remove the glass. If
you wanted to keep glass in there, you could always

(01:34:13):
have it changed for safety glass or a laminate, which
won't you know, explode into shards in the event that
there is God forbid another earthquake and so on, or
you could just I would look for a furniture restorer.

Speaker 6 (01:34:30):
Yeah, it's not just an easy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
It might be.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
I'm just looking. There's no beading.

Speaker 8 (01:34:40):
Okay, So what's holding the glass into the frame, into
the timber frame.

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
Well, it's looking so on it seems to be have
its recessed recessment, just like a coat window.

Speaker 8 (01:34:54):
Yes, but then there'll be something that holds the glass.
And unless the glass was inserted into the frame of
the door and then the door was made around the glass,
that's unusual. Typically there'll be a bead there. So it's
just someone with a delicate touch and a little bit
of patience to make a nice job of that, and
it would be achievable. But my recommendation, Joan, would be

(01:35:19):
to find a furniture repairer restorer who could do that,
tidy everything up and give you the doors back in
really nice condition, would be my suggestion. Thank you very
much for your call, and all the very best to you.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Got a little bit
of time for a few more building conversations, and then
from eight thirty this morning, of course it's Red climb passed.
We're into the garden with Red. From eight thirty I

(01:35:41):
was listening to Rid yesterday, no day before talking about pruning.
That's right, Fijo's that's right. That was one of my
jobs this week as well. But anyway, we'll talk to
rit about that and you can talk to him as well.
From eight thirty It is eight nineteen here at new
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Let's get a last couple of calls. Can I say
to the text of Donald Spouting cleaning, contact the manufacturer,
No Spouting cleaning, Get up there and do it yourself. Sam, Greetings.

Speaker 18 (01:37:33):
Morning, Peter, are looking at it?

Speaker 10 (01:37:36):
Good?

Speaker 18 (01:37:36):
Good, just looking at at you. That's had a set
of twins in the frost. So it's a nice fresh
morning morning here north of Vatra Honger.

Speaker 8 (01:37:42):
Oh beautiful.

Speaker 18 (01:37:44):
But hey, I was just calling about the building, water
and a fitness Obviously I'm a farmer, and we've had
to increase our record keeping and compliance a lot over
the last week period. And yeah, there's a couple of
really good apps that we sort of use that perhaps
will be transferable into the industry. There's sort of cloud
base that people have on their phone and so similar thing.

(01:38:06):
We have to keep much better records now with our
restricted veterinary medicines, our agri chemicals and affluent and all
that sort of stuff for auditors. So yeah, we've there's
some really good apps that we've got. I suppose it
doesn't matter if I say Resolutions one of them. And
it's all cloud based and you can take a photo,
you can record voice notes, you can do you know,

(01:38:28):
you can upload any documents from your emails straight in there,
and you can add in whoever you like, and then
whenever you have an audit in the future, you can
go back and pull up photos.

Speaker 11 (01:38:39):
And you know, that's perhaps something that could be a piece.

Speaker 18 (01:38:42):
To the puzzle the builders to use as they're going
through renovations and projects where it's just all in one
sort of central central place and you can go back
and see, like you say, those photos where you can't
see can't see through a wall, but if everyone's taking
photos at each step of the plumbing, under the concrete
and things like that as you go and you can
look back, and I don't know, it's just something I

(01:39:04):
thought that could could be expanded it into the building industry.
I don't know what you guys are using at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:39:09):
I think it's those sorts of things already out there, thankfully.
So for example, I got a text from Paul a
little while ago. Hey, we're six weeks into a new build.
Our contractor is using build a trend to keep us updated.
It's a schedule view, you know, photographs, current status, daily updates,
that sort of thing. So I think the technology is
out there, and I guess as there's more demand, new

(01:39:34):
providers will arrive and new solutions will be found. So yeah,
I think just it's getting your head around the technology
using it. But it's easier and easier, you know. I mean,
as I started work when we didn't have mobile phones, right,
so the idea of taking a snap of something and
sending it to someone is still I kind of get

(01:39:56):
excited about it. You know, Younger people like yourself will
this is what you've grown up with, right, It's what
you know. So yeah, I think technology is going to
play huge part in that. But record keeping is in
exactly I think, you know, your industry has had to
sort of meet new requirements for record keeping and compliance,

(01:40:16):
and construction is going to go through exactly the same process.

Speaker 18 (01:40:21):
Yeah, and I think it's as long as you get
buying from your team as you're doing it. You know,
my father's seventy four on the farm and he's using
it now. So yeah, anyone can pick it up and
do it as long as they buy into into the process.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Just got to apply yourself A yeah, absolutely, thank you. Hey, Sam,
really appreciate it. Take care out there. All the best.
See Sam. And last caller. Good morning, Calvin, Good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:40:46):
Here are you a norm in christ Church? And I
was setting a job years ago to clean spouting, and
the frost was here like we've got this morning here
in christ the frost and I was starting to clean
the spout of Oh Jesus Christ, I've got up there
on the ladder. Oh best agree with the frost. I
just broke it up. I was on one in and

(01:41:07):
I just hold the whole length of the spouting out
and frost.

Speaker 8 (01:41:10):
And oh that's fantastic.

Speaker 15 (01:41:14):
The spounding looked like I'd just been for up. It
was so clean that took everything out of the spouting.

Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
It was brilliant.

Speaker 15 (01:41:20):
So halp them out and get out there and do
it there.

Speaker 8 (01:41:24):
That's the ultimate excuse, though, isn't it. You know I've
talked to Calvin. I've got to wait for it to
get to a frost. I'll be waiting forever if I waited.

Speaker 15 (01:41:31):
Well, I'm going to get out there there and I'm
going to put me tough boys Peece. So I'm going
to get out there.

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
The very best to you. I love that story. That's fantastic,
Calvin much appreciate it. Yes, it will be rather chilly
and Christich I would imagine a couple of last texts
before we jump into the garden with rid Hey, I'm
building a new property in Wanicat later on this year,
the future proofing for value and for energy efficients is
it worth getting a Green Star rating and certificate? Many

(01:42:01):
thanks keep up the good work from Richie. So what
you're talking about is the home Star program and the
Star rating tool by the New Zealand Green Building Council. Yes,
I would strongly recommend it. I know there's a bit
of work involved. I know there's a cost involved, but
I think into I think it being able to say
to a prospective purchaser in the future, or for your

(01:42:23):
own peace of mind, right to be able to go, look,
my house complies to these essentially international standards around energy
efficiency and performance, and here's the evidence to prove it.
Is great. So and look, if you're going for six,
why don't go for seven. A little bit of work,
you could possibly get to eight. But look, Green Star

(01:42:44):
six or home Star six is a really good rating tool,
or it's a really good rating to get. And the
Home Star program is exceptional. It is let's call it
eight point thirty on the dot. We'll take a break
and Rudd will be with us after the break.

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