Full Show Podcast: 15 February 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
from news Talks at Bay Messi.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Or twice god once but maybe called Pete first.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Peter wolf Camp, The Resident Builder News Talk said, Baby.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
The house is a whole, even when it's dark, even
when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even
when the dog is too old to barn, and when
you're sitting at the table trying not to start.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Have scissor hole, even when we are band gone, even
when you're therellone.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
House is a home even when there's goes, even when
you go around.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
From the ones you love your most, you screams, broken pains,
appeel in front of.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Locals, vestible when they're going to.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Leaving neighbors, even when wilbra Ben, even when you're in
there alone. Yeahs out.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
All A very very good morning, and welcome along to
The Resident Builder on Sunday with me Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder. And this is your show basically because
if any now and then people say to me, you know,
what preparation do you do for the show, how early
do you arrive? I shouldn't be telling these secrets, but anyway, well,

(02:03):
and I go well to be fear this, Like all
of my day, all of my week is kind of
in preparation for the show. There's always something new, or
I'm doing something, or I'm engaged with some sort of
training or activity that hopefully feeds a little bit of
knowledge into the system, and then I wait for the
opportunity to have a chat with you and then we

(02:25):
discuss things, and that's the show. So it's all about you, guys.
If you've got a question of a building nature, whatever
that is, whether it's the rules and the regulation because
they are actually kind of important, whether it's the products
that you choose, and there is a baffling array of
products out there for different types of jobs, right and

(02:47):
very specific products and applications and systems to achieve the
outcome that you want. And then there's the practical stuff,
the how too, maybe some safety things that we want
to talk about. It's a very broad palette of things
that we can discuss on the program this morning, So
welcome along. I trust you've had a good week. For

(03:10):
those people who again have been battered by the weather
in the last couple of days, including I mean, this
is an increasingly tragic series of events that we have
where the storms bring with it obviously the flooding, and
again we've had in this most recent out of storms,
which is not over yet by the way, again another

(03:34):
loss of life, and certainly there's loss of property that's
less significant obviously than the loss of life. And again
it's happening. Well, not wanting to make light of this,
but there's probably what at least eight six, seven to
eight deaths as a result of these storms over the
just in this year alone, So resilience probably is a question.

(03:59):
You may care to comment on that if you wish. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
You can text as well. That's nine two nine tours
EDBZB from your mobile phone and if you'd like to
send me an email, you are more than welcome. It's
Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot nz. Right, Oh, let's get
amongst it. It is just on ten past six this morning. Oh,

(04:20):
a couple of things on the show today. We do
have our painting expert, that's Jay from Razine. I got
all excited about the Raziine guys last week and said
that they were going to be on last week. They weren't, obviously,
but they will be here today at around seven twenty,
so if you've got any specific painting questions, you should
text them through to nine two nine tours EDBZB. A

(04:42):
little bit later on the show, I'm going to take
a moment to have a chat with John Davies who
works with pro Climber. Pro Climber are hosting a series
of introduction to building science seminars around the country, so
christ Church, Wellington and Auckland. I'll get you a bit
more detail on that, but it's a really good opportunity

(05:04):
if you're a trades person and you're starting to get
interested in building science, if you're thinking about building and
you want to know the kind of the key issues
around building science and what you can do to get
a better house. It's a one day seminar series of
different speakers experts from around the world talking about building science,

(05:25):
building performance. Like I say, it's christ Church, Wellington and Auckland,
so really looking forward to that. John's gonna tell us
a lot more about that as well. So that's all
coming up on the show. And then as always we're
into the garden at around eight thirty in the morning,
a root Climb past will be with us at eight thirty.
But right now it is your opportunity to ask questions,

(05:48):
to discuss and debate, to have a crack at building
and building science. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
number to call a read good morning.

Speaker 7 (05:59):
Good morning.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
How are you doing?

Speaker 7 (06:02):
I'm not too bad, Charley good.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
How can I help?

Speaker 8 (06:06):
What?

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Well? There isn't a building name there?

Speaker 6 (06:09):
It's me?

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Oh yeah, sorry, what's your name is there?

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Peter?

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Okay, I'm a kind of quote question for yourholds that
because I know a lot of people are calling you. Well,
I just put it in a nutshell. I'm building a
construction at the back of my house, okay, and my
friend around the corner is going to help me with
my project. Now, I want to know what is the

(06:36):
best ruthing. I can't tell you what it is because
people think I'm crazy. What is the best thing to put.

Speaker 9 (06:45):
On top roof?

Speaker 7 (06:47):
Wise?

Speaker 6 (06:51):
Look, there's there's a whole bunch of options there, But
in terms of simplicity, ease of installation, et cetera, I
would look at long run roofing of whatever variety you
might want to use.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
The Yeah, we'll carry on.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Look that to me. You know, there's a reason that
we see it on lots and lots of New Zealand houses.
There's a reason that we've seen it on lots of
New Zealand houses for one hundred and twenty odd years.
So I think if you're building something, then that's a
really simple, straightforward solution.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Okay, And before before I'll let you go, I just
want to mention to you something quickly. I've got my family.
I come from a family of men who are builders,
right increasing your immediate family, and I just want to
say something I was thinking more alonger. I've sort of

(07:54):
got my roof fussed that I'm going to have a
roof that is going to be my design my roof,
and I'll tell you what I've got up from the
bottom up to the ground. But my building I'm building
at the back of my house goes down, goes down,
and then you get down to the ground tour, So

(08:17):
thank you so very much for listening to me.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
I would love to ask you a couple of questions
about the nature of the build in terms of compliance
and regulations inside, but I feel that I don't necessarily
want to go there. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question if you're building or you're
about to build. There's so much discussion sort of online
and within building circles at the moment around you know,

(08:42):
the work that can now be done without necessarily requiring
a building consent. You know, the legislation came in towards
the end of January. It'd be really interesting to see
just how many people are taking up that opportunity and
what it looks like. There was a big, long article
in the paper online. I read it on the Herald
during the week about you know, it looks like it's

(09:05):
spring up red tape right, looks like it's freeing up
a paperwork and signed, but maybe not. I'll try and
dig that article out act and give you the reference
for it. Thank you to those people that are texting
through already. Jay is from Razine. He's going to be
very busy at around seven twenty this morning, so specific
painting questions text them through. Jay will be with us

(09:28):
at around seven twenty this morning. Your news talks hed
B It is coming up fifteen and a half minutes
after six. The lines are open. The number to call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty viewing up.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
The house sorting the guard and asked Pete for ahead
the resident builder with Peter wolfcab.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks 'b.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Indeed youal with new stalks be it is nineteen minutes
after six. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.
Call Good morning Anne, Oh.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
Good morning Pete. Thank you for taking my call. Pete.
About four years ago I bought a property here in Hamilton. Yes,
I've noticed I had the roof repainted about three years ago.
Excuse me, now, I've noticed that there's a sort of

(10:17):
a rusty mark starting to show around some of the
nail heads. I've got two roofs, one on a newer
build and an older build which is well, it's two
stories high. It's one of those with a steep sloping

(10:37):
roof and it's the steeper sloping roof that needs to
have the nails replaced. Now I've had a a I've
had about three people out to look at it. I
can't say I'm very happy with the roofing people. I've wrung.
Should I be ringing the roofing person or a business
or plumbers or who would be the best to look

(11:00):
out for quotes. I haven't had very good response from
the two roof companies I've approached. One guy went on
holiday or we go and I still haven't had the quote.
The other company's emailed me twice and never turned up
to either of the appointments they made. And then I

(11:23):
had a guide to turn up who works for a
roofing company and he's going to be doing a homer
on this. How does your boss feel about this? And
so I got very far of it.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I mean, what you're saying is a perfect snapshot of
some so you know, like there's a part of the
construction industry where we just I'm speaking incredibly generally now,
but lots of people are in it just don't have
their act together right and look to be fair, you know,

(12:00):
I'm sure fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty years ago, when
I was out running my own jobs and all the
rest of it, I'm sure there were times when I
didn't act as well as so I'm not being hypocritical, right,
I get the pressure that people are under, But then
you go at a time this is I find this

(12:21):
fascinating at a time when it's been so tough for
most people in the industry, right like, it hasn't been great,
and it hasn't been great for a long time. And
I don't know anyone who's running at full capacity at
the moment. I don't know anyone who wouldn't be kind
of keen for more work. And so when someone like yourself,

(12:42):
you've got a job, you probably will pay your bill
on time. All you want is someone to go, hi, yes,
I'm interested. I'll be there in two days or a
week's time, it wouldn't matter. But on the day that
you say you're going to be there, you turn up,
You assess the job, and within a short period. It's
a relatively simple job. You'd put in an estimate, you'd

(13:05):
ask for, you know, a ten percent deposit, and you'd
send someone around to do the work. Why wouldn't you
take the work if it's on offer. So it's I'm
still surprised that so many businesses operate like that, given
how tough it's been, right But putting that aside, yes,
rufers are probably the best people to ask to do that.

(13:28):
I mean, the person that's coming to do it as
a homer or homie, his boss probably doesn't have a
problem with that. Right in the sense that I asked.

Speaker 10 (13:39):
Him that question. He did say that his boss had
said it was fine and he got access to scaffolding
and toughly that all right.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Then again, it's one of those things we all used
to do them, right, And that's kind of a like
again coming up. I can't remember a time when basically
I didn't work saturdays, right, and saturdays were jobs for
mates or you know, a neighbor or a fan member

(14:06):
or something like that, right, I have to say, just
as by the by a little while ago, I was
on a job and there's a whole lot of young
guys working, and it was like, Hey, who wants to
work Saturday? Oh no, no, I can't work Saturday. Very tired,
now very tired. You need to have said day off.
Oh no, we're going fishing. Oh anyway, okay, So to

(14:28):
answer your question, yes, a roofer, Yes, pulling. Look, it's
not terribly attractive work for most companies because what they
probably really want to do is sell you a new roof, right,
because there's some money in it. But at the same time,
workers work. Money's money. So getting up on your roof,
taking the rusty nails out, popping in a roofing screw

(14:51):
probably a good thing. The other comment I'd make is
that you know, if, for example, the roof is already
old or oldish and you've had it recoated, it's not
surprising if after a couple of years you start to
see a little bit of russ coming through. Because roofs
do have a lifespan right now, good maintenance, giving it

(15:11):
a good coat of paint, when the original coating degrades,
all of those things will extend the life of the roof.
But at a certain point there comes a time when
they just need to be replaced.

Speaker 10 (15:24):
I don't think the roof needs to be replaced personally
just looking at it. But now, one of the guy
that did come who's quote, I'm still waiting for sure,
he did say that they and I don't know how
you feel about this. I'm just a bit effy about
it that when he puts the screw back, he also

(15:45):
puts a like a bracket or a.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Plate over the over the top of the profile.

Speaker 10 (15:56):
Yes, what do you think about that?

Speaker 6 (15:58):
I think that actually makes a lot of sense because
what typically tends to happen is when you're trying to
pull that old nail out right Let's say there's a
four milimeter hole in the iron when the nail goes through.
So when you pull it out, inevitably there's some sidewards
pressure or upwards or downwards, whichever way you happen to
be pulling it out, and so you end up making

(16:21):
that hole a little bit bigger. Right, And then when
the screw goes in the roofing screw which has maybe
a four mil shank on it and maybe up to
a sort of ten or twelve millimeter flange around it,
that's got the little near prene washer underneath it, it
will cover most of that new hole, but the hole's
bigger and so the cover is less. So having a

(16:43):
little plate or a little gusset that fits over the
top probably a really sensible solution.

Speaker 10 (16:50):
Okay, I was just thinking about the flow of water
running down that it would actually hit that plate, and
sure will that cause issue.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
But remember that that little plate is sitting on the
top of the ridge, right, and so water is already
as it lands on the roof. Yes, it's falling on
the top and it's heading down, but most of it
is also falling sidewards. So the very little amount of
water that might dam behind there. In reality, I wouldn't
really have a concern. And again it's the pros outweigh

(17:21):
the cons which is, if, for example, that the hole
has opened up, it's probably a better solution arguably than
a dob of silicon, for example.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Right right, Okay, So hopefully.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
This guy does come and do the job on a
weekend as a bit of a homer, and that's a.

Speaker 10 (17:41):
He's not the one who's going to put the little.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Plate you want to go back.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
It's the one who didn't send me the quote yet
because he went away on holiday afterwards. I'm still waiting
for it.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Look, you know, no one should argue that someone shouldn't
deserve some time off for a holiday and that sort
of thing. But I just I guess in these times,
when we know it's been as hard as it has been,
and you've got someone who wants you to do some work,
why wouldn't you just get out there and do it.

Speaker 10 (18:08):
Well, perhaps it's just so pecific because he's good.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
That's true too, that's true.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
Tool you can I start you one more board? Do
you think of the builder's crack website?

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:22):
I mean, look, there's there's a real benefit to some
of those websites. For me, I think what I would
probably be more. I kind of like the whole personal
connection thing. So I think that if you, I mean,
there's a couple of options if you don't have connections
to trades people in a particular area, I think going

(18:43):
to the local merchant. So it might be that there's
a roofing company you like, a supply company it and go, hey,
look who are your who would who would be a
roofer that you would recommend. In the same way that
if you are looking for a plumber, potentially you'd go
to you know, Plumbing World or Reese Plumbing or something
like that, go to the trade desk and go, I'm
looking for a local plumber. Who could you recommend. They'll

(19:05):
know the guys that are really good and get you
that recommendation. So I'm not saying don't use those sorts
of online tools, but in terms of the personal thing,
I really like that lovely right, all the very best,
take care of them. I mean, we could do a

(19:28):
whole lot of sort of talk back and discussion on this,
isn't it that that whole thing around just you know,
for trades people, I think we don't always do ourselves
a great service in terms of behaving professionally, so you know,
replying to emails in a timely fashion, turning up on time.

(19:52):
And I'm not saying this in the sense that I've
never done any of these things wrong. Often right, absolutely,
but at a time where things are tight, now is
the time to be you know, literally has slim for business.
I heard it. I was chatting with a guy, can't

(20:12):
remember where it was in the country. It was kind
of like a provincial town. And he's a very good builder.
Things have been tight. At one stage, he literally had
no work and he's got sort of like four or
five gangs, couple of crews of guys doing a mixture
of new bills, renovations and all the rest, and literally

(20:33):
there was not a single thing for his team to
do one particular day, so he got all of the
guys to wash the vehicles because they were all sign
written and drive around town for an hour and a half,
just drive around in the vehicle, and he reckoned that.
By the end of the day the phone started to ring.

(20:53):
I thought, yoh, that's that's brilliant. Good on them. So
that the vehicles are tidy, the boys are in an
in tidy gear they're driving around and that was enough
to hustle up some work. Oh eight hundred ten eighty
the number to call YEF, good morning, morning, great, last all.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
But it's actually it's pure psychology, isn't it. It's if
you look good and you sound good, and you're rather
than a vehicle that looks good and you open the
door and it's all tidy inside. People just think one

(21:31):
or two things. Either you're on the ball and you
and you really are onto it, or you're a slacker
looking to make a quick buck. Yes, when you go
to see your lawyer, he hasn't got a desk, he's
some of them do. The overflowing was paperwork and stuff everywhere,

(21:52):
but the files here, there and everywhere. He's obviously a
very very either tidy lawyer, and he's got most of
it in his head, or he's got sort of a
little bit dishevel And it's quite sad when you try
and engage these young people to do work. They say yeah, yeah, yeah,

(22:14):
But what they really mean is no known and their
commitment to and their commitment to giving you what you want,
which is a quote almost bloody impossible. And I'm talking
in the voting industry, right, which is as long as
the housing industry, you get a lot of people who
look like they know what they're doing, but when they

(22:35):
get there, they want to do it their way, and
you say, well, hang on, that's not what I want.
This is what I want. The council, the council which you,
which you advocate, they write people to be talking to.
Half the time, I'm in the council office listening to
a guy give a woman some advice and I'm thinking,

(22:58):
what a where did you get that idea from? And
the people walk out of the out of the council
office is completely nathy, continue who and saying, well, that's
not what I went in there for. I went in
there to ask a simple question and I got this complex. Buddy. Listen,
if we're building a skyscraper, it's sort of somewhere along
the line. The whole system is upside down. And the

(23:22):
people we represent, the council sadly, I always say to them,
can I see your qualifications please? And you know what,
and look to be fair, they haven't gone.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
On it like I.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
My dealings with especially building inspectors, right is almost every
single one is highly qualified, right, and the expectation now
from councils. I guess there used to be a model
where basically, when your knees gave out, your back was
too sore, you put the tools down and you went

(23:59):
to the council and you got a job as a
building inspector. Now that's not a bad thing, but there
are now lots of people coming through sort of an
academic pathway into compliance into working for counsel and so on,
and so the level of qualification I think is actually surprising,
not surprisingly high. It is very high, and that's a

(24:19):
very good thing given how complex a lot of these
things are. I guess my one frustration I think dealing
not just with counsels, but with lots of sort of
council organizations, whether it's you know, in the water side
of things or the environmental side of things, is that
so often what happens at a meeting is a request
for another meeting. Right, so you're you're on site and

(24:43):
you're talking about something and the response is, you know,
I better go back and chat about that with with
someone at the office, or you know, can we get
together in a couple of weeks time, and you know,
I'll bring someone else with me, and it's like, actually, know,
all I want to do to keep going is get
an answer from you. Right, Just give me an answer
and let's get on with it. Make a decision, put

(25:04):
your name to something, and let's move on. That's the
really frustrating part.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
Yeah, well that's that's exactly the point I'm trying to
make as a plumber gas for the ruper and uh drainer,
the guys that you that. It's absolutely pathetic the way
the building industry is gone, you know, with stoody, leaky
buildings and instructures. That just fine. Just the council added

(25:35):
another eight another four hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
a lovely lady in Green Ice who just happened to
build a DJ garden. The house. The house is perfect,
she's happy with the builder. And yeah, that's the council
costs her extra in ridiculous and ridiculous study. I'm going
to challenge them up. Yeah, four hundred and eighty thousand

(25:57):
dollars on top of the DJ gardener plight, hang on,
what is going on? The more I talk to people,
the more I hear about it.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
What of fees on top of the GJ garden, the
house on which say they budgeted for.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
They're pretty but what's involved, what's included those costs? So
let's say a building consents, I don't know, twenty five
thousand dollars. Resource consent fee might be another fifteen thousand dollars,
A reserve contribution fee might be another forty or fifty
thousand dollars. We're up to over one hundred thousand now.
But how did how can you attribute four hundred and

(26:36):
eighty thousand dollars worth of cost county?

Speaker 9 (26:38):
How can you contribute one hundred and eighty thousand dollars?
That's exactly right, three one hundred and twenty thousand dollars
for bloody Lollipop meant because it was on the main road,
they began to get stuff in and out. And the
compliance was this retaining wall they made them build, right,
the council made them build it.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
And it's just yeah, yeah, but look in light of
the weather that we've had through this year, in the
last couple of is and actually I was reading this morning,
I didn't sleep particularly well. I was reading a New
Herald article online about actually an Auckland Council report in
terms of ground stability and the you know, the possibility

(27:20):
of landslides in which parts of Auckland are susceptible. You
know we've had them, They've caused loss of life. It's
really hard to criticize counsel saying, actually, if you're going
to do something, we want to make sure that it's
going to stay there.

Speaker 9 (27:36):
I'm as critical as the Council as I want to be,
and in fact I'll get even worse than that.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
No, but light the risk. In light of the risk,
you can understand council taking a risk averse attitude to
these things. And it's not just council too, it's engineers.
So if you go to an engineer and you say, okay,
we're on a slope, the geotech is this, and I
want a building platform and you know, I want to

(28:04):
make sure that it survives rainfall and all the rest
of it. It's not surprising that the engineer is going
to give you a gold plated solution nowadays because they
don't want to put their name to something that might
collapse or slump or fall or God forbid cause loss
of life. So you can understand how people are considerably
more risk averse.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Now, yes, I totally agree. And yet, and yet the
council will not accept the engineers. If there's a good engineer,
you'll do the job properly you start with, and then
you get the council that challenges that engineer. And as
I said to my engineer, just take it back straight
to the council. It's going to go through the council.

(28:46):
Just tell them no, no, no, this is this is
how we're doing it. We're doing it like this, and
then your engine this ninety dollars an hour conversation and
isn't where it gets ridiculous because before you know it,
you've got to you've got a two thousand dollars bill
from the council. Haven't even started.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Yeah, now I understand the frustration, I certainly do, and
it's good to say discussion to have. But actually that
thanks for that, Jeff. That article actually appeared online on
the Herald this morning as I was reading at four
o'clock in the morning, but talking about a new report
that's been released to Auckland Council. Sorry to make this

(29:22):
Auckland Council focused, but I would imagine that many councils
around the country are looking at this going. You know,
we need to identify where the risks are, and so
this report has been released to councils. Obviously it's going
to be made public as well, so you can go
and google your own subdivision and see what the risks are.

(29:42):
It is six thirty eight, let's call it six thirty nine. Actually, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call all things building and construction. We have a line
spare for you right now, so now's a great time
to call. Remember at around seven twenty this morning, we've
got our painting expert Jay from Razine. We'll be joining us.
If you've got any specific painting questions, please text those

(30:03):
through to nine to nine two. We can take a break.
We'll be back in a moment. Great time to call.

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Speaker 6 (30:19):
I'm just having looked quickly at the I found the
article Herald online. I think it did come out well,
it was late yesterday, came out early yesterday rather anyway,
the headline is basically, almost twenty percent of the Auckland
region is at high or very high risk of being
impacted by landslides, according to a comprehensive technical report. Include

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some city suburbs, several volcanic cones, including Mount Eden, and
numerous subjects suburbs on the north shore including Devenport, Great
Barrier Island. It's not on the north shore, by the way,
the Two Peninsula and the northern town of Warkworth.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
So it's.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
I haven't done. I have a little bit of enlightened
self interest in that. So anyway, it's I will at
some stage go through the report. January fifteenth and twenty fourth.
One hundred and three landslides reported this year already it

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is quite staggering, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty the number to call Chris Good morning, great.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
Good morning. There's two things I wanted to chat about,
just briefly. My son and Doordan Law were building regional
high spec home and the plans had gone through council
and got rubber stamped and drawn up by an architects
et cetera, et cetera, so that they they're not They
went for the higher end of the spec run on

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the lower end. Anyway, there after they've got everything underway
and the foundations are coming out of the ground, the
city council approach and said, look, we've forgotten to include
stormwater retention tanks at the front of the section, which

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in this case they sis under the driveway. And I'm
sort of saying to myself, surely that should have been
picked up when the thing was going through council approval
and to come to the master. You know it's a
hepty expense.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Because you can appreciate, yeah, it would be.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Is that normal?

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Well, this to be really fair about it, there's probably
a couple of things. One is that the designer at
the time of submitting the design probably what it will
be is there will be a set of regulations around
stormwater management and mitigation, right, and the designer or the

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planner should know what they are and preempted the fact
that council would probably want them by including them. So there,
you know, in this instance, I wouldn't sheet all of
the blame or responsibility through to counsel and the processing
team there. I think that the designer probably should have
included it from the get go, so they didn't and

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it didn't get packed up. And again, typically these sorts
of things would get picked up during the processing of
the building consent and the resource consent. They'd look at it,
they'd go, okay, we know that in general or in
this area, means it's unusual these days not to have
to do some sort of stormwater mitigation, which I'm in

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favor of, right, I think we need to do it.
So the fact that they didn't pick it up during
consent and processing is a little bit surprising. And yeah,
I can understand the frustration of you know, suddenly they
turn up and go, oh, look, hey, by the way,
we've forgot to include this, and you now have to
add this to it, because you're right, it would be

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I mean, what's the esmer forty to fifty grands worth
of extra work?

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yep, that's right, that's about it. He didn't stop there.
I mean, so there's a couple of things. So the builders.
So I think there are about three builders that actually
tended for all builders that were invited to inspect the site,
and twice accordingly yes, And one of them that got

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the contract was later heard by other contractor saying that
they had gone really low on the job, but they
were going to pick it up on extras and when
that is the mentality, I'm but concerned about my son

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and and his wife and what because they're not used
to dealing with people who work on variations. Architects also
have a degree of responsibility, as you say, the designer
and making sure all the details. But I've been in
the trade probably longer than you have better, and I'm

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aware that quite often jobs are won by a mission
of detail rather than inclusion of detail by the designers,
by builders or builders and contractors who are only priced
absolutely according to what's on the spec and in the plans,
and only a few will put their hand up and

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say common sense dictates that that detail is incorrect. And indeed,
I've seen clients who contractors because they have failed to
notify red flag things at time of tender and during
the process of the build, you know. So I'm concerned

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for my their build and where it's going to go costwise.
They are only just getting the roof on now, but
that's that's a concern. The other thing is get it.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
And I think for people who might be listening, they're wondering,
how does that happen? Right? So I guess part of
this will be around the quality of the contract that
you that your children have with the builder in terms
of you know, is it does it allow for a

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certain amount of change or emission or additions to the
contract because each one of those, if it is a variation, right,
it needs to be signed off by the owner of
the property or the client before the claim is accepted.
And then does the claim need to be verified by someone?

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So is the architect involved in the contract supervision? Is
there a project manager who's involved, as is there's someone
between the client and the builder.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
I think the downfall was that there needs to be
a project manager and there needs to be someone standing
between the client, the architect and the builder. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
I mean, look, I I can see the value of it.
I also know I'm actually not going to say what
I was just going to say, keep myself into all
sorts of trouble. I think that Look, speaking as a contractor,
let's say, you know, if I was pricing for work,

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and let's say I, you know, you look at a door, right,
and you go right to hang that door properly packers
properly fitted off in such a way that that door
is going to open for twenty years. I'm going to
allow forty five minutes, right, and then someone else so
you might be pricing against, goes well. I just hold
the door in the opening, shout it full of brads,
and as long as it keeps opening until I've been

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paid that it's okay. And they can hang that door
in fifteen minutes, well times ten or fifteen doors. It's
in a couple of hours. And then someone says, oh,
you're expensive, and you go, well, yeah, but it'll work
for twenty years.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
Right.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
That's the dilemma that we're in, and that's what it
sounds like your children might be facing as well. Let's
hope that it goes well. I got a run. Sorry, Chris,
it is coming up six fifty Here at news talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
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Speaker 6 (38:40):
EDB getting a couple of texts about well on a
whole bunch of things actually, including Chris's comments from muzz
as he's on the phone pretty quick peak that last
caller annoyed me as they obviously went for the cheapest quote.
But now they're complaining about the quality. You get what
you pay for and cheaper is never always better. Yeah,

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I agree. I told this story a couple of times.
I know someone who or heard of someone who got
eleven quotes for an extension you know it, hundred and
fifty grands worth of work, took the cheapest price, and
then wondered why the job was an absolute disaster or
you could see that coming a mile away. A m

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someone's text me about, Hey, look in a new bill
after you've moved in and you find that the toilet
pan splashes water out onto the surrounds? Is that acceptable?
This is in a new and then they mentioned the company. No,
I wouldn't think that's acceptable. That would be a genuine problem.
Why has the area been ticked off with the council
as suitable for a subdivision when extra walls need to

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go in. This is the comment about having to do
additional retaining work for a section. Well, council sh I
mean if you buy a section from someone, you just
buy the section, right, If it's part of the plan,
then it's your own responsibility. I would have thought to
do the geotech if it's been signed off as an

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area suitable for subdivision. Then that's how it goes. You
do your own risk analysis on that. I made the
comment about you know where to find tradees and this
text is coming as well. Pete. I was at Bunnings.
I asked about trades and the person probably working at
the trade desk part of the store had a book
of people who they would recommend to do my inside

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hand ral a sturdy, fine job he did, says Rosie.
Thank you for that, Rosie, that's great text. Actually got
some great questions for Jay, our painting expert, who's going
to be with us at around seven twenty this morning,
So we'll well all of your texts about preparation and

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paint work and so on. We will have those ready
for Jay. I've said this before, too tricky, the better
I think in terms of your painting questions. You know,
it's nice to have a challenge early on a Sunday morning.
Oh eight hun at eighty ten eighty If you want
to call now, we'll get things set up. We've got
new Sport and Weather top of the hour at seven o'clock.

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And remember that we're also talking building science with John
Davies from pro Climber. This building science seminar series that's
coming up christ Church, Wellington and Auckland. I'll tell you
all about it after the eight o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Back after the news, helping you get those DIY projects
done right. The Resident Builder with Peter WOLFCAF call Oh,
eight hundred eighty eighty Youth talks right.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Oh, we're back into it. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is six minutes after
seven yourth peak wolf Camp the Resident build Out. We're
talking all things building and construction, and it would seem
that I've picked the scab off a particularly touchy subject
at the moment in terms of people have started to
talk about trades people and contracts and pricing and so on,

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and I'm getting a really wide range of opinions in response,
some people going, we'll hang on. Chris who phoned earlier.
You know they've taken what might be a lower price.
The contractor was overheard saying, well, look, I've put in
a low price because I'm going to make it up
on extras, right, which I think is a not uncommon

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way of contracts being let. But I think it's terrible
right if you know that the job's going to cost more,
then that should be in your pricing and you shouldn't
then go oh oh, sorry, I forgot did you want
door handles? Type of attitude, But it is in is
a endemic. It's not uncommon. Right, someone else's TEXTU and

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going we'll hang on. There's two parties in this, right,
if you've taken a price that's considerably lower than the others,
you can't be surprised when that person goes for extras
because you kind of should have known that the job
was going to cost more. And then this text has
come through and we'll come to Ross and Mommi's waiting
on the line. I'll give you an example of the

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New Zealand tradeing says this texter. Have asked so far
for three to provide a quote. All three were advertising
on a website. I rang all three. I said I
required an emailed quote. One never replied. Another one gave
a quote that doubled the materials price that I could
buy at N to ten and the other stated that
the labor costs would only be based on a fixed

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rate that was twice the normal charge out with open
time to complete the job. New Zealand trades in building
and contracting you represent is disgusting and nothing but fraudulent.
I'm just going to leave that where it lays you
made someone else's text through. I'll come to another text

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in a moment on that as well. So it's not
necessarily what the programs about, but I am interested in
it because obviously, yeah, if you're engaging with contractors, right,
and this is the sector, we want to be seen
as professionals. So in order to do that, we need
to behave professionally, which might mean applying to emails, picking

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up the phone, turning up on time, the basics, and
when they don't, you can understand how clients get frustrated. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Remember,
at around seven twenty we will jump into the world
of painting. Jay, our painting expert from Razine will be
joining us. So again you've got a couple of minutes

(44:41):
to send through any text questions of a painting nature
that you might have. Will do that at around seven
twenty This morning, your news talk set B and a
very good morning to you, Rose.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Oh how are you.

Speaker 9 (44:54):
I'm very well right now.

Speaker 11 (44:56):
I'll keep as brief as I can, so I share
the email, Jude, but I actually need to talk to
you directly.

Speaker 9 (45:02):
Go no matter what lost us?

Speaker 11 (45:03):
What to do in net A. Ten months into my
new build, my toilet onto a toilet blocked and on investigation,
I had to get a plumber and they found that
a warrior tale was punched through the waste pipe on construction. Okay,
so you know, and so you can imagine. So they

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got their loss of justice came.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
They did a scope of work, and so they are.

Speaker 11 (45:29):
Working for the builders Insurance company. And she said, it's
the cash settlement offer. They said, and if I don't accept,
she said, well for I've closed. But anyway, so I've
got my quotes. So what I'm up to now, I
mean it's I shouldn't have to do this people anyway.
I've got three quotes. Two have come back to me.
They're both above what the offer is, not.

Speaker 9 (45:51):
By a great deal.

Speaker 11 (45:52):
One's four thousands, the others two both lovely guys. And
so and I've got this discharge. There's party liability for him.
I'm to sign. So I'm not going to sign up
until I don't know. I guess that's letting him off
the hook. But I've signed it. Because they want no
part of it?

Speaker 9 (46:13):
Is that right?

Speaker 11 (46:14):
I mean, I just feel like I shouldn't be doing
this as some sort of consumers guarantee that that's the builder.
I did ask the question, why isn't he facting her
smack up? And she said that he's owned no obligation
to do.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
This rubbish, I am, this is under obligation to do it.

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Well, that's what I would have thought. So what I
what should I don't need?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Like?

Speaker 6 (46:38):
I mean, so this is a new build, okay, And
and there's obviously a main contractor, and there's the person
that told you the house, which is the developer who
did the development.

Speaker 11 (46:54):
That's right, yep?

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Okay, So and effectively it's not for the purpose, right
because there's a great big bit of steel straight through
the sewer pipe.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Now I didn't do it, but I've been involved in
repairing exactly that, right, So I know how it happens,
and these things happen, right, So, but I am struggling
to understand how the contractor would hand that over to

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the insurer and not simply come. I mean, it's great
that they've gotten insurance policy, and it's great that there
is some redress. I don't think you should be forced
into accepting a cash payout on it. I think that
I don't even Oh, I think you're probably going to
have to go to your lawyer. Have you already accepted

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the cash payer?

Speaker 9 (47:50):
No, I've done nothing. No, I've got the quotes.

Speaker 11 (47:54):
And because I mean, there's no contingency, I couldn't see
anything there suck if it goes over, and let's face it,
I means right all the time.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
In this instance here, I would say I would strongly
recommen and that you don't accept a cash out clause
because then you end up taking responsibility for it. And
let's say while the contractor is there, they discover that
running over the top of that pipe is the electrical
cable and they need to get someone in to move

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the electrical cable in order to access you know, there's
a thousand things that could happen, and then you're taking
the responsibility for that. So the whole point of insurance
is to well, I know, it's not your insurance policy,
it's the contractor's insurance policy, and it's great that it's there,
but I would strongly recommend that you don't accept it.
I don't think that you should be forced into accepting

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a cash settlement, but you might have to get a
legal opinion to sort of back you up on that.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
That's what I thought too, And I thought this shouldn't
be customy.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Any money, and I don't I don't believe it should.

Speaker 11 (48:58):
You know, they're great, but I mean, it.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
Won't stop it in some instances, you know, like I
know people have taken cash settlements on let's say, repairs
after flood damage or something like that. Well, if you
want to take the risk, and if you want to
take that money, and maybe you're going to do some
extra work or something like that, but that's fine. But
in this instance here where it's relatively new work, it
was obviously a fault from the beginning. This would have

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happened at construction, and I just can't see that you
should have any part in doing the repair, certainly not
taking cash settlement and then having to supervise contractors and
effectively taking liability for the repair as well. All of
that should go back to the original contractor.

Speaker 9 (49:44):
Well, that's my thoughts.

Speaker 11 (49:46):
Like I'm very lucky I have two bathrooms and I
don't know where I would have been if I hadn't.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
He do you know where the damage is. Is the
damage underneath the slab or is it outside of the house,
under the slab inside the house?

Speaker 11 (50:01):
Yes, yes, So the whole bathroom's got to be gutted,
and there's heated tiles. It's a major job and a
heat toil they go up the wall and because of
that it a sealer or membrane or something.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Absolutely do not accept a cash settlement. Absolutely not. And
that job's not going to be four thousand dollars.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
I know it's not.

Speaker 11 (50:25):
I've got I mean, I know it's not. I tell
you that now.

Speaker 12 (50:27):
It's it's a lot.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
It's a twenty to thirty thousand dollars repair more.

Speaker 11 (50:32):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Plus, if you're cutting the slab and the slab's got reinforcing,
you need to have an engineer provide a detail for
you know, the remediation of that that should be supervised
by somebody, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 11 (50:47):
And it's tiles like the heated tile, the whole.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
All of that's toast, right, all of that is rubbish. Basically,
it's all going to come out. You know, no one's
going to sign off on a repair to a waterproof
membrane unless they it's a complete membrane. So I would
think that in the end that bathroom is going to
get gutted completely pretty much.

Speaker 11 (51:09):
Yeah, a whole lot, a whole it's yeah, And I
just feel, Pete that I should not be having to
do this.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
You can answer this, but only in the most general
of terms. The builder involved in the project. Are they
a member of either Master Builders or Certified Builders?

Speaker 11 (51:33):
I don't think you some if I locked in the
right place, I couldn't see how. I'm very careful not to.
But he is a registered builder if that makes sense
an LBP.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Yes, that's right. And look the this is a plumbing issue, right,
but there's still responsibility. So if you're the main contractor,
it ends up becoming your responsibility.

Speaker 11 (52:00):
So well, that's right, he's accountable, isn't At the end
of the.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Day, somebody's accountable. That's the whole point of the LVP scheme.
Look again, please, you know if you need I think
you probably find that spending a little bit of money
with the lawyer to get a statement or a letter
from the lawyer saying I don't accept the cash settlement
for these reasons. It is probably going to be in

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your benefit. Someone has text and said, hey, look, Pete
read the lady who's calling about the new build the
toilet dishes. She should not she does not have to
accept a cash settlement ensure it is not correct in
telling her that they will close the file. So I'm
going to take that at face value. I don't think
you should. I think you should push for a full repair.

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Please let us know how you get on.

Speaker 11 (52:50):
Oh, thanks a lot, better about talking to you now.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
Pleasure lovely to chat with your rose. All the best,
Take care, Bob, that we might quickly get this quick. Yeah,
there's a whole lot of text in about this. I
find it hard to imagine how that happened and it
passed plumbing inspections. But we'll get onto that in the moment. Kevin,
quick question from you, sir.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
You've got a.

Speaker 13 (53:18):
Coastal property and the substrate of sand. I want to
build a little low deck about two point five by
four meters. Yes, I'm looking up the ideas and what
you'd use for a foundation.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
What about screw piles.

Speaker 13 (53:34):
Screws?

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Yeah, so this is it's new in the sense that plastic,
no galvan ied steel. So have a look at there's
a company called Stop Digging for example, they will do them.
It's a good name, isn't it. You know what do
I do? You know, we stop you from digging, so literally,

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they'll they'll come along, they'll look at the ground, they'll
install the right pile to the right depth with the
right bearing capacity. And then on top of of the
screw that they put into the ground, you can then
just put your bearers where you joice directly onto that.

Speaker 13 (54:14):
Okay, cool, simple. I was looking at trying to maybe
putting made like a paving slid down and just sitting
on top of that.

Speaker 14 (54:21):
I said, at that's a.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Really low level.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Yeah. Yeah, look, you know, if if you want something
all the rest of it, have a look at the stringlass.
Yeah yeah. Check out the just quick Google search for
stop Digging and I'm sure you'll find the guys there.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
All right, take care. See Kevin your news talk said,
be it is seven nineteen. We're going to take a break.
Then we've got Jay, our painting expert. We've got some
great tricky text questions around painting. We'll do that straight
after the.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Break measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first,
be your WorkCare the resident builder.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Your news Talk said, be let's talk painting now. I
have to say, Jay, when we were talking about sort
of what topic to peck, and you were saying, let's
talk about painting in these conditions, and I like, at
the moment in my head, I'm going summertime, that's great,
long settled period of weather. I can get out and
do all of that exterior painting that I wanted to

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do a lot of its sort of repairs and maintenance.
But I'm struggling at the moment.

Speaker 14 (55:25):
To be fair, Oh, it's an absolute nightmare to get
your work done this summer.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
Summer Again, it's an expectation thing, you know. We go, yeah,
great summer, everything's going to dry out. I've got nice,
settled weather. I'm going to start painting. Can I ask
you a question first? My concern is, you know, like
most of us houses wooden, right, So what I ideally
want is for that timber to dry out before I

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paint it. But every time it's just getting dry, we
get another decent belt of rain and it saturates and
gets soaked, and then I'm waiting again. I need to wait,
don't I for that timber to dry out.

Speaker 14 (56:05):
Yeah, so I've just been checking myself just to confirm
what I was going to say. So moisture content with
the timber needs to be seventeen percent sort of sixteen
sixteen to seventeen percent. So we sell moisture meter. The
big barn sort of hardware stores all sell them. So

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i'd like this. I'd say the sales will be going up,
especially just with painters because of that very reason. Just
as you think we're going to be able to start
doing some work, it rains again and you need to
make sure that timber is dry enough to be able
to paint or stain. So yeah, unfortunately you can't do

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if you want to take the risk. Take the risk,
but the chances are the paint's not going to dry
or the saint it's not going to be able to penetrate.
So it's very frustrating. I'm willing to sort of do
part of my house at the moment with staining, and
every time I get the time off to be able
to do it, either it's just rained and it's damp,
it's going to rain later that day, so don't want

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to take the risk, or at the moment where I
am the humidity is like eighty five ninety percent and
nothing's really going to dry, so right, it's not worth
taking the risk.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
So even if it's not raining or you're not worried
about rain, we do have to be aware of humidity
and its impact on timber drying and drying.

Speaker 14 (57:27):
The coating's drying right, so waterborn coatings. If the humidity
is above sort of eighty five percent, there's too much
moisture in the air for the waterborn coatings to dry
properly or dry at all. So this check the humidity,
check the temperature, and check the sort of air movement. Honestly,

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today it's a little bit overcast, there's a slight breeze,
and it's about eighteen degrees at the moment. It's almost perfect.
It's perfect conditions for drying. It's just whether everything's dry
enough to be able to put the paint on.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
Because to be fair, I started to feel that I
was just using that as an excuse for not on
with these jobs.

Speaker 14 (58:07):
But one hundred percent I've been the same. But you
really don't want to put all that time of effort
and money into doing job just to see it not
dry or get washed off. In the next domple.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Yeah, I mean it's because you know,
I had this idea. Okay, well, you know, it'll take
a little while for the house to dry out through winter.
We'll have some summer around now. I'll be cracking into it, right,
I've got a long list of things that I want
to get done, and I'm looking at it going. It's
just it's just too damp.

Speaker 14 (58:45):
Yeah, I mean, generally you probably need a couple of days,
two to three days for everything to try out. After
a big dample, it just feels like just as you're
on that time frame, there's another downpour at the moment.
But you know, there's still plenty of time of summer left.
I'm sure we'll get some good weather before it goes
into winter.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
I admire your optimism. I really hope so too. And look,
you know, in light of what's happening in the Trahonga
and around the country, you and I worried about our
timber drying out this small fry, But you know it's
if you're trying to contract in this weather as well,
that's really hard.

Speaker 14 (59:21):
Yeah, it's hard for the guys. Usually winters tough, and
summer are busy and at the moment it's that sort
of struggling to get work completely.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
Yes, absolutely right. Let's get among some of the texts
that are coming in morning, Pete, I'm getting in early.
I want to repaint a timber retaining wall. What preppers
needed before repainting? Please, water blasts or not before painting.
So let's assume that the retaining wall has got maybe
a stain on it rather than paint yep.

Speaker 14 (59:52):
Okay, and so obviously water blasting is the easy option,
but you can damage the the codings on there, you
can damage the timber. So if you're going to use
the water blast, to use it on the low pressure. Also,
like I mean, I've got an extendable soft or medium
bristle brush that connects to a hose that you can

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use make up a solution of cleaner. I recommend razine
paint prepp and house washments with the water and sort
of scrub it on and then hose it off just
so you remove any contaminants on the surface. After that,
if it's stained and you're going to paint, you would
need to use an oil based primer, so razine wood
primer followed by usually razine lumber cider, so just achine

(01:00:38):
machine top coat. Obviously, if it's already painted, you could
just give it a clean and goes straight on with
the razine lumber sider.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
If the existing paint's in reasonable condition.

Speaker 14 (01:00:49):
Yeah, good condition.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
Alrighty old face aboard. What preparation and paint would you use?
It's from Peter and Auckland.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
So a lot of.

Speaker 14 (01:01:01):
It depends what the fature is. If it's fiber cement,
you'd be obviously cleaning it down.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
No, let's it'll be facial timber.

Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
I'm just looking at my feet and thinking fission so fat.
So you spot prime with razine quick Dry, which is
a water borne primer, and then depending on the gloss
level you're wanting to go, usually Razine Sonics which is semigloss,
or lumbersider which is low.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
She okay, best product of paint a front porch? And
how do I remove the old bubbling paint? It's from Tracy,
so yeah, bubbling paint first, let's deal with it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:43):
So, I mean, if we're talking sort of flooring in
the porch areas and maybe concrete or even if it's
timber or bubbling paint, to remove it a scraper, depending
on the sort of surface and it's timber, you've got
to be careful not to damage it. If it's concrete,

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you can sort of get in scrape. Then if the
rest of the coding is around it are pretty sound,
you'd give those edges the sand to feather them off
so they're not sharp. Spot prime any bear area, obviously,
concrete would be razine shore seal, which is sultent porn

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pigmented seila. If it's timber again you could use the
razine quick dry or wood primer. And then if it's
a port floor, we've got non skid deck and path
which has got an aggregate for sort of non slip
capabilities in it. There's razine walk on which is less

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gritted in there, or lumbersider.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
It's interesting too that some councils during final inspection if
they're actually wanting you to prove that it's got some
sort of slip resistance in it. On painted surfaces approaching a.

Speaker 14 (01:03:02):
Doorway, obviously we've got an added to if you can
add in as well, so you could if that's the
requirement you find out you can sort of put a
coat of paint down, then sprinkle on the additive and
then when that's dry, you give it a sweep to
remove anything that's loose, and ye put another coat down
on top.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Okay, brilliant. Now this is a house nineteen seventies clad
in concrete brick, which I think is an old summit stone.
I'm doing an extincsion. The brick's no longer available, I'm
going to use a similar sized one, and then I'm
going to paint the exterior. Question how do I prepare
and paint the exterior of an existing brick home.

Speaker 14 (01:03:40):
So obviously, treat for any moss and mole like with
moss molekular, give it clean with the paint prep and
the house wash. If it's not painted at the moment
and in good condition, you can use seeing concrete pymer.
If the brick's a bit older, in a bit powdery
in places, you're better off to use the shore seal

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and then top coats. Again you can use depending on
sort of gloss level and the style of brick. A
lot of the time, again it'll be lumbersider, but you
could use sonics as well as a semi gloss finished. Obviously,
while you're cleaning it and keeping nine everything, check the
grout and pointing and if that needs any work, do
that before you start painting.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
Right, yes, yes, absolutely. Now someone's got a powder coated
automatic opening gate, so maybe an entrance way or at
a driveway or something like that. Can I repaint it
without repowder coating it repowder coating?

Speaker 14 (01:04:41):
Yeah, So it depends on the condition. And look at
the time, that sort of powder coating can get quite
quite chalky, so it needs a real good clean down.
Again with Razin paint prep in the house wash, it's
brilliant for removing that sort of chalky coating on the surface.
And then the best system you'd be looking at armor
Coat two two one and Urocreill four oh two or

(01:05:04):
four oh three, depending on the gloss level. Those products
are two pop products, so there's a bit more sort
of preparation and getting the products ready for use, and
they probably smell a bit more, but they're going to
last a lot longer on that sort of substrate.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Right, Okay, Pat, I've got a late nineteen eighties house
with dark brown brick. It's some time in the past
someone has been painting the safits and they've got white
paint on the brown brick. How can I remove that?

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:05:37):
It's just so now you really want people to mask
up beforehand to avoid that sort of thing. So if
it's waterborn paint mass, we'll soften the water porn paint, yes,
or paint stripper, but so see the skies like a
gel type stripper, so you can spot it on those areas.

(01:05:58):
It should hopefully help remove some of the paint yep. Obviously,
brick's pretty porous, so trying to remove everything is going
to be pretty tricky.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
That's the hard thing, isn't it. That paint obviously, you know,
draws into the substrate, into those microscopic pores. So yeah,
you can scrape the top off, but then you've got
that residue that sits just below the surface, which leaves
like a shadow, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:06:23):
Yeah, so it's tricky once it's on, something like that
becomes difficult to fully remove.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
They too might be looking at repainting their.

Speaker 14 (01:06:30):
Brickcasts, or depending on the bricks, if there's a color
that matches quite close. We've obviously got lowchine and lumber
side the mate now as well, you might be able
to just kind of find a very similar color there
to the brick to just hide that spill. Dore or
the cutting in lines if you can't remove it, well, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Sure, I just I'm thinking back to the question about
repainting the retaining wall. Razine have got a new paint
now specifically designed for the you know, like let's say
you do a new fence and it's in tantalized timber
and you want to paint it. Is a new paint
formulated just for that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:12):
Yes, obviously it's always been Lumbersider or there was a
Crown fence paint, but now they've brought out a landscape
and timber range, right, so it's available in mind attending
the color shops, and it's it's self climbing, so I
can just go straight on onto the timber and landscaping

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and in this case retaining.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
War Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 15 (01:07:35):
I've tried it out.

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
I've just been using some Lumberside of black on my
retaining wall. When I've run out of that, I'll get
some of.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
The brilliant either.

Speaker 8 (01:07:47):
Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
As always, Jay, thank you very much for your advice.

Speaker 14 (01:07:51):
Cheers mate, how nice today, you too, Good luck with the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Painting all this your news talks'd be that's Jay from
Razine If you've got any questions of a technical nature.
Of course, you just go and talk to the professionals
at the color shop and I'm sure they'll be able
to help you out. It is seven thirty six. We're
going back to the call. So if you've got a
question of the building nature eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Got a couple of texts with regard to this warrata

(01:08:17):
that ended up penetrating the wastewater pipe the sewer pipe
basically inside Rose's house, and some comments and questions on that.
If you've got a problem, give me a call. We
can talk about it. We can see if we can
find a solution. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Doing other house sorting the garden asked Fete for a
hand the resident builder with peta wolfcap call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, that'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Thanks for all your texts with regard to painting. There
were some really good questions. Gay I appreciate the suggestion
white paint spots on the brick, says this text, to
paint a small mural on it. Yeah, why not? Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

(01:09:08):
There's a couple of We had that call from Rose
earlier on. This is a house that's four years old.
Obviously there's been some problems with leakage, and what was
discovered is that underneath the slab so where all of
the waste pipes run underneath the house, somehow a warritor

(01:09:29):
had been driven through the waste pipe. And this has
only recently come to light. Given its a four year
old house and so obviously now there is going to
be a repair that needs to be repaired. It sounds
like it's in the bathroom or in underneath the bathroom

(01:09:50):
rather so in order to access it, whoever's undertaking the
repair will need to lift the tiles, cut through the waterproofing,
cut through the slab, find the warritor, cut that section
of the pipe out, repair the pipe, reinstate the base course,
tie the slab back together in a way that meets

(01:10:13):
with an engineer's approval. Because cutting through a concrete slab
that's got reinforcing on it that needs to be repaired properly.
You need to ensure that water doesn't hydraulic up between that,
because you've got effectively a cold joint between the concrete.
Then the waterproofing membrane on the floor needs to be reinstated,
and then the tiles need to be reinstated. A couple

(01:10:34):
of people, and I have to say I had this
question myself as well, How is it that it passed
a test? What you do typically is once all of
the in slab plumbing has been done where it exits
the building, you can put a plug in there or

(01:10:57):
there will often be a rotting iron inspection point. At
that point, you can take the cap off the inspection point,
put the plug in, fill it with water, and then
you look at that for let's say, you know, twelve
twenty four hours, and if the water level remains the same,
then you know that all of the pipe work is sealed.

(01:11:17):
Because every now and then maybe a glue joint fails
or maybe one wasn't glued, or there's being damaged by
another contractor and no one's put their hand up for it,
and so it will fail, and then you'll go, okay, well,
before we pour the concrete, we better go and fix that.
Find it and fix it. So in this instance, somewhere
along the line, I suppose it's possible that that water

(01:11:40):
test passed and then the damage was done. But again
people are going, how is it that a warrator ended
up through the pipe at that late stage? What were
they doing? Driving warratahs into the ground might have been
right on the If it's right, it is baffling, I
have to say. Having said that, on a job a

(01:12:00):
number of years ago, out in the backyard, we had
some little mobile, you know, tense gazebos set up so
that we could have some cover. So and there is
the and then it got windy, and so the gazebos

(01:12:21):
were blowing away, and so one of the guys thought, well,
what I'll do is I'll put some warratars in and
we'll tie the legs of the gazebo to that, and
that stopped the war reta or the gazebo from blowing
away until at the end of the job. We were
doing a video survey of the line as per the
conditions of the consent, and the guy who was doing it,

(01:12:42):
and I happened to be there at the time, goes, hey,
look at this, and sure enough it was. It was
a bullseye.

Speaker 12 (01:12:51):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
If you're playing darts or doing archery, you'd be impressed.
It was a bullseye. It was a war retar that
went straight through the top of the pipe and straight
out the bottom of the pipe. I was like, ah, okay,
so anyway we could identify where it was, we could
dig it upfully, it wasn't too deep in the ground,
repair it and so on. But at least something. I mean,

(01:13:12):
I understand that these things happen, but generally you pick
them up in testing later on. So I'm a little
bit surprised that this wasn't picked up and testing. Either way,
Rose Again, everyone that has texted has said, don't accept
a cash settlement from the insurer and take the responsibility
of the job at all. And nor should the insurer

(01:13:33):
be forcing you or putting pressure on you to do that.
I think that that's not great either. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number. Call. We will take
short break. We'll be back with your calls in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Whether you're paidy the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Give Peter wolf Caper call on eighty the resident.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
Build out on you dogs, b righty, Oh, good morning,
welcome along to the show. Now in the next hour
we're going to have quick chat with John Davies from
pro Climber. Proclimber are hosting a series of building science
seminars around the country, so christ Church, Wellington and Auckland,
so we have a bit of a chat with him

(01:14:14):
about that. They're coming up first week of March actually,
so a really good opportunity for I guess people like myself,
trades people who are interested in building science to get
a little bit more information, or if you're already interested
in you want to hear from basically some world leading
experts on building science. That'll be a great opportunity. So

(01:14:34):
that's happening. We'll bring you some more details because we
have a chat with John from pro Climber after the break.
Your news talk set be it is seven forty eight Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Hello, good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:14:46):
Nice Yeah, solution for your WRETA in the pipe okay,
depending on the size of the pipe. So I went
for a company called TDT Environmental yep, and we do
a lot of gumatic and hydraulic cutting, yes, pats repairs
of pipes from the inside the pipe.

Speaker 14 (01:15:09):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Can I just add I wonder whether part of the
problem that Rose has got is the Waratah is still
in the pipe.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
So that can be cut from inside the pipe, dependent
on the pipe size, cut out, flushed out, and then
pats repaired.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
So it's a let's assume it's a residential building, right,
so chances are it's one hundred mili pipe in the
slab probably about if it's a bathroom, maybe if you're lucky,
the bathroom's on an exterior wall. But to get there,
the pipe might run five six meters to the exterior,
which would be your first point of entry. So if

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it was five meters let's say, from the exterior, and
it's running and maybe it's not necessarily running in a
straight line, and then you've got to get a tool
all the way up there, cut the warritor are out.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Wow.

Speaker 12 (01:16:09):
So we do that with a very similar to a
CCTV drain camera.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
It's like an attachment to one of those. Yes, either
work pneumatically or hydraulically, depending on how big the pipe is,
and then we can cut that using a camera from
inside the pipe. So a lot of the stuff that
we we do do is, for example, new builds where
there's been waste concrete that's gone down the store order. Yes,
what's the sewer line, and then we'll go and remove

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that from inside the pipe.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Have you ever had to remove a plug from inside
the pipe? You know, the plugs that they use for testing. Yep, yep.

Speaker 12 (01:16:49):
Wow, Wartie, we've cut out before. We've cut out fence
posts from bigger pipes.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Yes, through them. So there are solutions, okay, and that
don't necessarily involve cutting great big hole in the bathroom floor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Ye cool, within the pipe.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
Well, good on you for getting on the line. What
was the name of the company again, because I'm kind
of intrigued now, t d G t e G BG
Total Training Group Environmental t t d G Environmental. I'll
have a look online.

Speaker 12 (01:17:32):
Yep, we do everything right up to eighteen hundred mel
uvq pippairs.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
That's brilliant. That's brilliant. You know, obviously my background's carpentry
and building and so on, but I have to say
I'm endlessly fascinated by drainage work for something, and I'm
involved in a project at the moment where you know,
we're having to do quite a lot of CCTV work
to identify where a fault is, and I just quietly

(01:18:01):
I find it absolutely fascinating. So thank you very much
for that. That's absolutely brilliant, much appreciated. Thanks for the call.
Take care all the best you might.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
That is.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Look, it's just one of those little weird obsessions that
you develop as you get older and you're in the
trades and that sort of thing. But yeah, watching CCTV footage,
I can't believe I'm even saying this. Of the insider
drain pipes I find absolutely fascinating. And then some of
the remedial stuff that you're able to do. This is
that classic of you know, where there's a problem, someone

(01:18:37):
will develop a solution. That's commerce. That's absolutely brilliant. You
and news Talk said b it is seven fifty three. Now,
we're always talking about maintenance and it feels like you
fix one thing and something else pops up. So today
I've got Jacob here from Nanoclear to talk about how
we can minimize that maintenance on our window frames. Morning Jacob,

(01:18:58):
so tell me how is this possible?

Speaker 15 (01:19:01):
Good morning, Peter. Well, Nanoclear is as close to a
one and done as you can get when it comes
to me on your aluminium window frames. Instead of consistently
painting or reseiling, like a subscription service. Would we believe
it's about protecting services properly in the first place.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
So what actually makes it different from let's say normal
paint coating.

Speaker 15 (01:19:20):
Oh, so nanoclear doesn't just sit on the surface of jewelerry.
It's like a care coat that works with the paint
to penetrate and bond all the way down to a
nano level. So it literally because part of the jewnery itself.
So nanoclaar looks better and then it lasts longer, and.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
That matters in New Zealand, doesn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Absolutely?

Speaker 15 (01:19:37):
I mean how UV moisture and sea salt air are
brutal to aluminium, so Nanoclai protects the aluminium and doesn't
allow any of these environments through onto the color.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
So that's less work long term.

Speaker 15 (01:19:50):
Well, I mean as long as you wash your windows
in jewinery periodically, it's no work long term. Like we
guarantee the jownery will look brand new for at least
ten years, So Nanoclaire does the work for you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
So who is nanoclear best for?

Speaker 15 (01:20:02):
Nanoclear works best on journey that's already faded, as long
as it's not literal crumbling away the Nanoclear tenure warranty
will protect it. So have a look at nanoclear dot
co dot z to see some past case studies and
see if Nanoclear is right for here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
Great talking with you this morning as always, Jacob, thanks
very much, and again folks check it out online. It's
nanoclear dot co dot nz better.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Z b.

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
Indeed, you be coming up to five minutes away from
News top of the at five o'clock getting some people.
People share my fascination with defective drainage.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
Pete.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
I'm just a humble, old retired farmer, but I once
repaired a rusted, galvanized, heavily leaking high pressure stock water
supply pump by simply wrapping it with multiple layers of
fiberglass cloth and generous amounts of resin. Job done. Yes,
but at least you could get access to it. I
think the challenge for Rose is that the pipe work

(01:21:07):
is underneath the concrete slab, which is in the on suite,
which might be some distance away from the exterior, so
it actually Roses takes us back. The warritor went right
through it and it's still there. They've done the camera work.
The concrete has to come up if the membrane has broken,
like you said, Pete, the whole lot has to come up.

(01:21:28):
It's interesting. Well, absolutely, it's interesting. But the tg TDG
suggestion is that they can remove that from inside the
pipe and then do the repair, which is like a
resin sleeve. I've seen this done on a number of occasions,
and often with public infrastructure as well, where let's say

(01:21:51):
it's old clay pipes or old concrete pipes that over
time have moved and so on, or there's been some breakages,
and that they'll do like a resin sleeve. They insert
the sleeve and then adhere it into place, and then
go through cut out all of the inserts if they
remember to get all of them, because otherwise you'll find

(01:22:12):
that it don't work anymore. So there's there is interesting
technology out there. Thank you very much for everyone who's
text through on that. I think it's it's fascinating. Radio.
We're back after New Sport and we're the top of
the hour at eight.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
You're squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on News Talks dB.

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
Yeah, when News Talks dB and the lines are open,
the number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We have time just for maybe one or two quick calls.
Then we're going to be talking with John around this.
So I'm kind of excited about this. I'm excited about
it because these are events that help inform all of us.
So what it is is it's the Building Science Summit

(01:22:58):
of New Zealand and it's going to be held in Auckland,
Wellington and christ Church actually the other way around christ Church, Wellington, Auckland,
the Auckland one being on March the sixth. Will get
the other dates from John shortly. To get tickets, you
can go to event bright to get your tickets, but

(01:23:19):
we'll find out what's included and kind of why it
is as interesting. Well, I was having a chat to
someone the other day saying that, you know, if we
look back and I suppose I've got an engagement that
extends back gosh next to you, it'll be forty years

(01:23:40):
since I started building. And so you look at that
and you go, you know, what were we talking about
forty years ago? And I don't know that we were
really some people were talking about building science. Building science
isn't new Buildings have always been about science, but in
terms of what you and I might have known, or

(01:24:00):
what I might have known as a tradesperson, I don't
know that there was a tremendous amount of knowledge that
was readily available, whereas it dominates the discussion at the moment,
and so it should. So you know, how does moisture
impact on building? What are the properties of moisture, What
happens with different temperatures inside of building, what happens to humidity.

(01:24:22):
All of these sorts of things impact on the building,
and buildings need to be designed to cope with that.
So buildings need to be responsive to the science. And
that's I think what the site the summit's going to
be about. But anyway, we're going to chat with John
in a moment about that. A quick comment from you, Paul,
good morning, Yeah, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Very well, what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:24:44):
I just find it amazing. I mean I'm British and
I've lived in Australia as well on Australian as well.
I find amount of regulation here is incredible. I mean, honestly,
the building regulation. Surely you've got your act together over
so many years. You know, you have leaky buildings and

(01:25:07):
it comes down to the poor old people that are
living in them to front up with loads of money
to rectify that. Then you have buildings they're not heated enough.
Now recently they're not cool enough. But because you have
window restraints to stop children throwing themselves out of the windows,

(01:25:32):
of course, I mean, I just think it's totally ridiculous here,
and I think it's just created a whole industry of
people that like to find bits and pieces with buildings.
Honest to god, it's just gone ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
And you know, look, I'm tempted to bite back at
what you say and so on. And interestingly enough, I
was in Where you come from the UK in December
and one of the people that I happen to spend
actually two people that I happen to spend some time with.
One is someone who works for a large group home builder,
one of a better term in the UK. The firm

(01:26:12):
that they work with builds of about twenty two thousand
houses a year, so I figure that they've got a
good insight as to what building and construction looks like
in the UK. They were talking about their amount of legislation,
and then I talked to another guy who is actually
a contractor working on houses building houses in the UK.

(01:26:34):
They were talking about their amount of regulations and rules
and so on. So I don't know that saying that
we've got lots means that other countries don't. How they
manage it, how the industry responds to it, and so on,
that might vary, but I think it's you know, in
terms of Western societies and so on, building regulations are there,

(01:26:55):
We've all got to deal with them.

Speaker 16 (01:26:57):
Well, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I'm
just saying, surely over four generations of forty or fifty years,
that could have been sorted out so long ago. I
just don't like the buck being left with a poor
old person that's bought a leaky a so called shaky

(01:27:18):
building and they can't sell it. An had a friend
in Auckland a fabulous house, but it's been deemed a
leaky house. You know, why wasn't that identified?

Speaker 9 (01:27:31):
Like Janet.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
I mean, if we want to, we could have a
long discussion around the origins and so on, and why
we ended up with a leaky building crisis and so
on and so forth, because there is a lot of
research that's been done and I think there is a
clear pathway to how we got to where we got to,
and then out of that you can also see how
what we build today is influenced by let's say the failures.

(01:27:57):
There are responses to that. So if you look at
you know, flashing details and cavities and drainage and these
sorts of things, they're all response to construction methodology that failed.

Speaker 16 (01:28:11):
So it might be, but don't keep on coming up
with new stuff like the child restraint things. Yeah, you
put those in so children can't throw themselves out of
the top floor, but now you're.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
Saying they're not cooling us, and it I think the
home owners probably unintentionally, you've ended up stumbling on what
is a genuine issue, which is when you do calculations
for ventilation on a house, you look at a window
size and you assume that the window can open. But
then the other part of the building requirements means that

(01:28:46):
because the window allows you to fall more than a
meter and it's less than seven hundred and sixty millimeters
from the floor, then suddenly you have to put a
restrictor stay on there. So that window, which might have
given you a square meter of ventilation, now can't open
more than one hundred millimeters. So yes, we do have
parts of the coding. We do have parts of the
code that act against each other. And you're not the

(01:29:07):
first person who pointed it out. That is the nature
of regulation. I don't mean to be dismissive, but look,
I hear what you're saying, and I think we've still
got a long way to go. This is I mean,
the building code in that sense is a living document, right,
It changes and should be responsive.

Speaker 9 (01:29:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
Oh, thanks very much for that, Paul. Now I just
want to take a moment today because there is this
series of I'm big on education and learning, right, so
I think as an industry, as people within the industry,
trades people within the industry, it's a good idea if
we keep learning. So where do you go and find
out about new stuff and new ideas and new technology?

(01:29:46):
Will you go along to seminars? And one of those
seminars that's coming up is the Building Science Summit of
New Zealand, and to tell us a little bit more
about it and just have a general chat around building science.
John Davies from pro Climate, very good morning, good one
of better Now, just very briefly, you know, I'm looking
back to maybe being a young chippy in nineteen eighty seven. Now,

(01:30:10):
I was really lucky to work with an outstanding boss.
Tom was fantastic and he had I think, innovation at
the forefront of his thinking. And so I don't know
that we ever said that we were talking about building science,
but we probably did. But in general, the notion of
building science and building scientists feels like it's new ish,

(01:30:31):
you know, fifteen twenty years. Certainly in the last ten years.
Am I being overly optimistic?

Speaker 17 (01:30:39):
I don't know. I mean, I agree with you that
the what you were doing was building science without naming it, right,
and we're all doing that. So if you're in the trade,
if you're in construction, if you're a designer, it's all
building science. But you might not realize. And this is
what's so intriguing to me about what we have in

(01:31:00):
the industry. We've got these as you've just been talking about,
these rules and regulations and even to going back to
your previous core about the pipe and the technology that
is available to fix. All of those things are building science,
but actually it's a combination of materials and physics and

(01:31:21):
basicly you know, well I say basic, that's probably the
westward to use.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
In this sulation.

Speaker 17 (01:31:27):
But those things all.

Speaker 7 (01:31:29):
Have an impact.

Speaker 17 (01:31:30):
That's just science, that's just applied science, and that's what
we have to be as an industry. We have to
be a little bit smarter in the way that we
apply all of that science.

Speaker 6 (01:31:41):
Absolutely, and I suppose it's always thrown into sharp relief
when we see failures, right when we see failures of
the building envelope alah, leaky building syndrome, or yesterday I
was at a house looking at some It was actually
cedar cladding on a house built probably about thirty five

(01:32:01):
years ago, where there's extensive decay to the exterior cladding,
and I'm thinking about how they would have built it then,
which would have been to the code. But it still
hasn't been good enough to give that cladding. Well, I
guess it's succeeded. It's fifteen year warranty, but the actual
because it's starting to decay in parts, the actual framing

(01:32:24):
is starting to decay, and that's within the fifty year warranty.
So if we were looking at how we would clad
a building today, it would be radically different to what
they were doing even thirty years ago.

Speaker 17 (01:32:36):
Yeah, yeah, and I think this is what is to me,
this is the crux of it. We've got newer buildings
now at your building new it's a new building right
by default, but we're trying to run those use those
as if they were older buildings. We do what we've
always done, and buildings where we really need to be

(01:32:59):
running them differently. I don't know what the best analogy
to get that across the line. As you know, if
you've just bought a full electric car, you don't continue
to put petrol in it or try to. It's you
have to run it differently. And if you've got a
new house, and when I say new, I'm really meaning

(01:33:21):
a house which has insulation, because a lot of people
there's this underlying belief that or maybe it's that statement,
and you'll likely hear it quite a lot, Peter, we did,
you know, We're okay, we opened our windows, We grew
up in a leaky drafting, cold time, and I'm okay,
you know, like it's all of that, that's true. Those

(01:33:41):
houses weren't unhealthy. There's this razy period of time where
we insulated, but we didn't change how we ran the home.
And that's still carrying on today, and you're going back
just straight to your previous core about the windows, you know,
the whole operable window thing, that calculation which is made.
That's it's a standard from nineteen forty three which is

(01:34:05):
still being applied now as the rule of how to
ventilate your home. So instead of taking some new word technology,
you know, mechanical ventilation is a classic example of just
a claim that's not new technology, by the way, putting
a ban in a building, right, that's not new, But
it's a different way of running your building. So we've

(01:34:25):
got different ways of combining materials and a home, so
run it differently. We've got to understand that differently. That
comes back to the understanding of the building science and
the materials and the physics and bringing that into a
better understanding. Coming back to your point, education is key

(01:34:47):
in the space for homeowners as much as for designers.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
And actually we're going to take a short break, but
I do want to come back and we'll have a
look at what's included in this Building Science summit. If
you can give us the dates and how to get tickets,
we'll be back with you in just a moment. So
John Davies is with us from pro Climber. They're the
ones who are hosting essentially and have put together this
building science summit that's traveling the country. We'll be back

(01:35:14):
with John in just a moment.

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from pro Climate, tell me about the seminar. Who's it
aimed at and where can you find out? Where to
get tickets? And when is it at?

Speaker 12 (01:36:45):
Dates?

Speaker 6 (01:36:45):
Times places?

Speaker 17 (01:36:48):
Okay, So the Building Science Summit, it's aimed at a
typically industry professional. It's not a closed door to anybody else,
but we're looking at society engineers, Engineers Council and professionals builders.
Designer is right across the kind of that that sphere

(01:37:08):
and the topics that we've got are all around the
building envelope, which was that phrase you years before.

Speaker 8 (01:37:15):
So that's the roof, the walls.

Speaker 17 (01:37:17):
The floor, the shell of the building. That's really what
we talk about when we talk about the building envelope.
This seminar series, it's running across across New Zealand, so
we've got the second of March we're in christ Church,
the fourth of March we're at in Wellington, and the
sixth of March we're in Auckland. The speaker lineup through

(01:37:39):
that if that's of interest, really round the topics. So
with our keynote, speaker is Heart the Console. He is
coming across from Germany to talk about the software which
he wrote a few years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:37:53):
But he wrote a.

Speaker 17 (01:37:55):
Software package which allows us to analyze a wall or
roof or flaw a combination of products in the environment
where it's going to be built. So you you've been
this off, but you've build up a combination of products
and then you say, I'm going to have this type
of weather near with data driven but this weather and

(01:38:16):
then all of the internal challenges that that wall or
that assembly will also face. So he's going to talk
about lightweight timber buildings specifically. So that's that's pretty.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
Exciting for us.

Speaker 17 (01:38:28):
He's a fairly big, big name and the building science
community worldwide. Sure, we've got a local Benji Simmons from Stark.
So they build YEP, so they build windows, doors, they
build an UPBC and an aluminum and he's coming to
talk kind of on a commercial side of what they're

(01:38:49):
offering is around certain wall and punched windows and all
around the design and performance and the limitations and the
technology which is sitting beneath that. So that's that's a
that's a good win for us as well. Which Sam
and Eden from a company called Babbage in Auckland. He's

(01:39:11):
a facade engineer. He was I did actually ask him
to talk about windows, like his expertise as around that space,
but what he said was a I've got a whole
lot of really interesting current case studies of roofing failure
or challenges problems around the warm roofs. And so what
he's going to bring as four elements of design of

(01:39:33):
warm roofs that we should be looking at, four elements
of construction, how to do warm roof construction better, and
then four elements of how to keep control of that
like when it's been built, how to monitor or how
to maintain a warm roof. So that's a fairly new

(01:39:55):
topic for us in the industry. And look beyond that,
we've got two people who are talking quite in depth
about testing standards, like the gap that we have between
testing and the lab and which we do a lot
of in the industry and then the real world outcome,
the real world performance of those tested systems. So we've

(01:40:18):
got Jesse Clark who's coming across from Australia from the
climate to talk about a specific lot of testing and
ended as forty eight four if people are really interested
in digging into that. But we've also got Bernard Farrington
from shall we write Test Labs here in Auckland, so
he is talking about how they do that testing. So

(01:40:40):
this is the combination of that testing standards, real world
on site testing as well. And then finally we've got
a guy called Brian Pubs. He's coming from a company
in Vancouver in Canada, company called RDH and they they've
got this decades of research and influence and guidance into

(01:41:03):
the industry there around the SAR and envelope testing and
materials testing. He is going to come and talk about glass.
Now that might not sound interesting straight off the bat,
but when you start talking about the technology which is
available and insulated glass units I do use and the

(01:41:24):
way that that can control help prevent overheating, prevent over cooling.
Of course, looking at the performance and failures of those
in the real world, and so Yeah, that's a that's.

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
A there's a snapshot all right, coming absolutely brilliant. Now
to get tickets, I see that you can get tickets
on event right, or if you go to the pro
Climber website you find it there, or if you search
through social media it'll it'll pop up there. So what
you're searching for is Building Science Summit of New Zealand

(01:42:00):
and it is in that first week of March christ
Church Wellington ending in Auckland here on the sixth of March.
I have made a mental note to bring with me
note paper.

Speaker 17 (01:42:11):
It's going to be a good day. It'll be a
great day, but whichever venue you come to, it's going
to be pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Really look forward to catching up with you then, John,
much appreciated, Take care your news talk to be. That
was John Davies, who I've known and worked with on
different little projects. So that's going to be a really
interesting one. The Building Science Summit Wellington, christ Church Auckland
or christ Church, Wellington, Auckland. If you're in this space,

(01:42:36):
it sounds like there are some tremendous I mean this
is you know, international speakers coming to bring their advice
plus some local companies like Stark who do the high
performance U PVC joinery. So there's lots happening. It'll be great.
It's going to be quite a learning week for me.
I've got two days of study on the days beforehand,
then the summit on the Friday. Oh, my little brain

(01:43:01):
will explode. I think with all this new knowledge, it's
going to be awesome. Right here, it is eight thirty.
Let's get into the garden rid climb passed on the way.
Lines are opened for you right now. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty good.

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