Full Show Podcast: 15 March 2026

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Speaker 6 (01:48):
Well, very very good morning, and a warm welcome to
you all to the Resident Builder on Sunday with me
Peter wolf Camp, The Resident Builder. An opportunity this morning
seized the day I think it is. If you've got
a question about building construction, the rules, the regulation, the
products that you might need, the contractors that you might
want to engage with, all of these things, we can

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talk about on the show this morning. So we're here
to talk building. We're here to talk the practical stuff,
you know, the door that rattles in the wind, or
the wind that blows through the joinery. And if you're
sitting inside your house as the weather's finally stunning to
get cold, al Low, we had one of those hot,
sticky nights the other night where if you've closed the

(02:32):
curtains and you notice that there's this constant movement, it's
probably time to think. Ge I wonder if I added
some draft seals to those windows. Maybe it would stop
the cold air from filtering in. It would stop the
warm air that I'm going to create over the winter
from escaping out through the joinery. So there's that practical
stuff that we can talk about. There's also all of
the rules and regulations. I spent actually yesterday with the

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New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys. They, as part of
their sort of continued professional development, attend a number of
training days. So one of those training days was yesterday
here in Auckland with a whole series of speakers and
they'll touch on some of them including I was little
bit surprised, delighted, but surprise at the same time. So

(03:18):
the head of building Compliance Well Building within mby David Hall,
was one of the keynote speakers yesterday, which was awesome,
and we were chatting a bit and he goes, oh, yeah,
I was sent to the show the other day, so
you don't know who listens. I realized the other day
talking to one of my bosses here at newss Ebers
and during the week that they listen as well. I
kind of forget about that because I kind of approached

(03:40):
the show and go, I'm talking to you when you call,
and well, if other people are listening, I guess that's
just the nature of it. So anyway, let's get into it.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Whyde you know? It's a it's a broad palette that
we can choose from. As I said about the practical,
about the theoretical, about the sometimes confusing range of choices

(04:05):
in terms of the right product for the right application
in the right situation. So how do you go about
making those decisions that discernment around what product to use
for which application? And then there is that whole thing
around contractors and reliability and managing contractors ensuring that you
get the best out of them and that they also

(04:27):
work well with you in terms of how you're going
to manage your projects. So it's anything of that nature
that we can talk about today on the program. The
lines are open for you. An interesting moment, I guess
the other day for me as well. I went along
to the what was it? I was the Bunning's Trade event,
so a whole lot of distributors that have their products

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obviously in the Bunning Store, and a whole series of
presentations that were organized as well, and I wanted to
go particularly to see a bit of an update about
the granny flat legislation. And it's fair to say the
legislation is kind of a work in progress. I know
there now, so there is a framework in which if

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you want to build up to seventy square meets a
habitable space a granny flat on your existing property, you
can do. So there's a set of rules and regulations
around it. But those are going to keep changing as well,
which was interesting, and that was one of the seminars
that I attended at this trade event during the course

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of the week. And then while I'm actually having a
chat with a couple of the team from IBS so
Independent Building Supplies have come on board as a sponsor
of this show. They happened to be there, which was
nice when we were chatting away until such time as
the Prime Minister wanted by, so brief chat with the
Prime Minister at this event, and then tagging along with
the Prime Minister was the Minister of Housing or Building

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and Construction rather Chris Penk who's been on the show
a couple of times. So an opportunity to sort of
shake hands and have bit of a chat with both
of those gentlemen as well. So an interesting old day,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Actually, there's been a
whole lot of stuff that I've been doing this week
that we might talk about, including seeing a blower door
test in action, and I've seen them around, but I've

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never been that close to one, and also in this instance,
being there when the results are read out and the
basically the jubulation on the face of the homeowner who's
realized that they've made a building that's actually going to
perform really really well. So I can step you through
the whole blower door test thing a little bit later on,
and interesting to note in that instance, the blower door

(06:40):
was installed into a side door in this house, which
was it was a part of the ambience range from
Stark so uPVC Jowinery. Whole house had it, and you
know it's a critical part of getting a high performance
air tight dwelling is the quality of the joinery that
you use as well. But we'll go into that a

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little bit later on this morning as well. But right now, ah, Now,
the other thing next week on the program talking about
talking about the whole granny flat thing, because it's fair
to say there's still a little bit of confusion and
there's a little bit of confusion in terms of where
do you go to find out information on it. And

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as it happens, I was talking to some people from
Brands the other day. Brands, which is the building research
authority of New Zealand, they have, i think this week
or next week will release a bulletin which is a
summary of all of the legislation and the processes regarding
Granni flats and so they've got their own experts, their

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own researchers who have dug into the legislation provided a
summary which is awesome and what we're going to do
is interview the person who was part of the team
that created that research. And the way we're going to
do the interview next week is if you want to
text me your questions about Granni Flats today, pile all
of those questions and then we'll get them answered next

(08:09):
week on the show. So if you've got a question
about Granny Flats, text it through during the course of
the show today and then we will I'll collate those,
present them and next week, well we'll do that interview.
So that's coming up next week as well. But later
on this morning, Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine,
will be joining us, so we'll take your specific painting

(08:31):
text questions as well. You can fire those through nine
to two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone.
But right now the lines are open. The number to call,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's get into it. Keith,
good morning, Good morning, Pete. Greetings Pete.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
I just wonder if you've got to had a little
job similar to mine. I've got my gable, a decromastic roof.
I've got gable and the facier the badge borders rotten,
and I think it's a bit big to certain soul
with build bug or something. So I was going to

(09:08):
put a scup quite high. I was going to put
a get a scaffold up, but I was going to
get a flashing made and would go over the facier,
over the barge board and return underneath it upsolightly. And
I was wondering, if you've ever done a job like that,
or if not, I should work with the flashing. Would
I made a galvanized iron or a zinc or an

(09:30):
aluminium flashing?

Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Look, you know what I like about your idea is
that it's a really practical solution to the problem.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
Right.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
So the problem is that obviously the barge board's rotting.
You know that there's a bit of decay. Getting them
out and replacing them, it can be quite a large
process in terms of you have to strip the barge flashing,
You've got to pull the facier board off. Chances are
these little bit of heart ease or or you know
five er cent sheet for the safit that tucks into

(09:59):
the rebate at the back of it. You're going to
make sure you don't break that. You've got to get
a new part, you know, that's the process right if
you want to to replace it, But what you're really
wanting to do is to ensure that that rot doesn't well,
it will continue even if you cover it. But you could,
like when you're up there doing the flashing, I would
treat that rot with a timber preservative. It's relatively easy

(10:21):
to do. But then it's a really straightforward solution to
go if I make a flashing that tucks up underneath
the barge flashing comes down loops underneath the bottom of
the barge board and then either has a drip edge
on it or a return, because what you don't want
is moisture being sucked back up into that space and

(10:41):
trapped between the metal and the timber. So you want
to make sure that any moisture that hits it drains
to the bottom and drops off. So it needs a
drip edge of some description or return that means water
it won't track in there. But then yeah, do that.
You could even sort of pre paint it on the
ground and then install it, and it's a practical solution

(11:02):
to basically you know, it tidies it up, stops more
water getting and stops water getting in through the barge
board sitting on top of the safe and potentially tracking
inside towards your framing, which is a much bigger problem.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Okay, so yeah, go for it. So would you use
gilvanized iron or zinc or element.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Basically if you're going to get them done well, Actually,
one option would be to go and ask someone to
make it out of color steel. Then it's already got
a color on it, right, and most people that do
flashings have got you know, they'll have coils of various colors,
particularly if it's one of the more popular ones or

(11:45):
more common ones. So you could have it done in
color steel, in which case when you put it up,
it's finished, right because it's already got a color on it.
So choose the color, get the flashing detailed, install it.
The junction at the top, that miter at the top,
that's kind of a critical junction. If you slide one

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part perst and then lay the other one, don't butt
them together. So if you overlap that miter at the top,
so it's not a mister, it's actually a lapped joint.
That will help stop water getting in there as well.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
Okay, great, thank you, thank you very much for help.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
And be careful on scaffold.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
Eighty five. I have to watch it.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, just look, I'm sure you got to eighty five
five being sensible, but let's make sure you get to
ninety by making sure that you stay sensible. All the
very best of you take care of all the this.
That's fantastic. It's a practical, sensible solution to the issue.
Doesn't solve the issue, but it gives your time, which

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is fine. It is nineteen minutes after six. If you'd
like to join us, well, the lines are open. The
number to call is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Come back and talk to Ron in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today News talk the b.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah when you talk b Pete wolf Camp with you
this morning, talking all things building and construction, the sort
of you know, practical helpful hints hopefully like in the
conversation with Keith about doing some flashing to basically protect
the barge board through to the theoretical as well. So
whatever's on your mind this morning, we can talk about

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all things building and construction. On the show this morning,
ron A very good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (13:43):
Oh good morning, Pete.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Great, that's wrong.

Speaker 10 (13:46):
Just like the promote here Wooden Boat Festival down at
the Viaduct and there's over two hundred boats there. We've
got one hundred and teen in the water and most
of them you can go aboard and talk to the owners.
We've got about eighty in the Viaduct events scene, and

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about eighty model boats there. There's vintage tools, heap of
vintage tools over there which would be interested in all
these wooden boats that have been built in New Zealand
in the use of the year of when we had
sections big enough to build ada to build a boat backyard.

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So it is absolutely fantastic. There's a lot of activities
for kids. Yeah, it's free entry and it's absolutely magnificent.
It's really worth a look at today as the last day.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
The last day, isn't it. I'm just looking at it online,
i have to say, and I've seen some stuff online.
Particularly there's a couple of sort of traditional workshops that
have either always been around or have re emerged where
people can learn those you know, old crafts, let's say,
around shaping timber and bending timber and hand hewing timber

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and all of this.

Speaker 9 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (15:10):
Now I've got a big stand there with a lot
of vintage tools, boat building tools and boats and god
knows what, but the Maritime Museum. I've got lectures on
free lectures. And so it starts at the Maritime Museum,
through the Jellico Harbor, the event Center, and then to
the Percy Vos Boat Shed where they're building a clinker

(15:33):
frostbite dinghy, and that the Wooden Boat School is in
the Percy Boss Shed, also Mary carving and stuff like that.
There's a huge, big Natifa to walker in the it's
the first time it's ever been displayed to the public,

(15:54):
and that's in the event center. So we'd love to
see you down there after your first and come and
talk to me on the.

Speaker 11 (16:05):
Free.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
To everybody, I am sorely tempted, I have to say,
leave it with me. I'll see what I'm up to
later on today. But hey, look, look it does look
like a fantastic event. And I think what must be
kind of exciting is it seems like there's kind of
a new generation of people who are interested in, you know,

(16:26):
the traditional woodworking techniques, finding, restoring and maintaining some of
those old tools and so on. That it's like a
whole culture that's building up around that, a resurgent which
I think is really really exciting. But look, the boats
look fantastic. It's so where would be the best place

(16:48):
you'd come into town? Start at the Maritime Museum. Wander
across to the to the other bridge. Yep, across the
bridge which is working, which is awesome.

Speaker 10 (16:58):
And the event center that's there the events send the
were Team New Zealand used to be. And just across
the bridge, yep, you see all the promoce We've got
the William C. Dawley there which can go aboard and
have a look at all the steam engines. We've got
the scales. The scales come down from HARANGI got so

(17:18):
the one hundred and ten boats in the water and
about eighty yachts. Dinghy's clink of Dingy's and everything in
the event center and the second floor on the event
center is all models.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
We're absolutely worth a look at ron.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
I really appreciate you phoning through. Can you I'll just
pop you back to my producer and if you could
just leave you number there I'll see whether I can
swing across. I am actually and on a similar note,
in a couple of weeks time, I'm going to go
to Palmerston North for a mad dash straight after the show,
to be part of the wood Turning Festival that's on
down there. So I was invited down, which is very

(17:58):
very nice of the organizers to invite me down. I
think that's on the fifteenth of May. I'll try and
get some more information, but it's it's like a weekend
event for wood turners, including I'm so looking forward to this.
There's an event where you have it's like a speed
wood turning competition, so you all start same machinery, same chisels,

(18:22):
and same lump of timber. I'm sure there's a same
blank I suppose to start with and then you have
to craft something within minutes. Anyway, I'm going to go
down for that. That'll be awesome. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. But the Wooden
Boat Festival, I have to say I have seen some
images online and it does look like an amazing event.

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So if you're thinking about something to do in town
today in Auckland, Wooden Boat Festival a great idea twenty
eight minutes after six. If you've got a question, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
Someone's asked me to repeat some of that flashing advice.
It's it's I suppose the approach is if you think
about the situation that Keith had where he's got some

(19:05):
rot and barge board and it's slightly more expensive than extensive.
Rather than being able to simply fetch it out and
fill it with some sort of builders fill or something
similar to that, I mean, the other approach that you
can do is try with a multi tool to cut
out a section and fetch in a new piece. Or

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the approach that he's heading towards, and I think it's
a practical solution is essentially to make a flashing that
will fit over that, so it'll tuck up underneath the
barge flashing so that you're weather tied at the top,
come down, extend underneath, and back up so that you're
creating a drip edge effectively underneath there, and then that
could be fixed over the top. It's preventing more moisture

(19:51):
getting into the area, although it is trapping moisture. I
realized that as well, potentially, But it's a practical solution
to prevent more water getting into the building and perhaps
causing decay somewhere else. It's not the ultimate solution, but
it's a sensible, practical solution. It's a little bit The
image I've got in my head is it's a little

(20:12):
bit like a soca over a joint on a weatherboard
back in the day. So you butt them together and
then a flat metal soka over the top just to
prevent lots of water getting into that joint. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you've got a question. Brian, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (20:31):
Yeah, what's up. My problem is that that twenty five
years ago, well was twenty five years yep, we did
a quite a big fence line, probably three three to
four kilometers.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Three to four kilometers.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
Yea of farm fencing, right, which would evolve you know,
it's a post off four point five meters, so it's
closely post. Yeah, what we've found in the last ah,
six or eight years, I guess they started these posts
are starting to break off, and it would seem that

(21:15):
the the eralyzing haven't been done.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Properly, right, yes, And of course we.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Can't remember where we got the post from. It would
have been on a recognized retailer.

Speaker 12 (21:35):
But is there.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
Somebody that regulates, analyzing and can do something about it.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Look, I mean I think if you're looking at this thinking, gosh,
is there someone who's going to replace the post for
me or something like that, I think there's almost this
zero chance of that, right, So in terms of redress,
you're on your own. In terms of concern around the
efficacy of different treatments over time time, I have heard

(22:09):
other stories, other concerns where you know, perhaps the level
of basically how much treatment gets how far through the
timber is always a concern, right, So depending on what
treatment process they might have used at the time, you know,
in effect did the treatment go in I don't know, ten, fifteen,

(22:32):
twenty millimeters into what's the diameter of the posts? So
one hundred and fifteen?

Speaker 9 (22:36):
Are there?

Speaker 11 (22:37):
Five?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (22:39):
One?

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Two fives?

Speaker 9 (22:39):
All right?

Speaker 6 (22:40):
So you know, again if depending on the way in
which they were treated. So, for example, if there are
some treatments where the timber is simply dropped into a
vat of the timber preservative and it soaks up a
bit of material, they take them out, and then that's
your treatment done. I've been to other plants where when
they do the treatment, it's in a vacuum in a

(23:01):
chamber basically under pressure, and the timbers dried out, and
then the timber preservative is forced into the fibers and
ideally then you'll get your treatment all the way through.
But even and we're talking about sort of commercial timber
for framing, and that the advice is often these days,
if you get a piece of treated timber and you

(23:22):
cut it, just to make sure that you're ceiling, you
that you've got timber preservative on that cut end, you
will then apply another timber preservative to the cut end, right,
because you know you can see the logic of it. Right,
You treat the surface. You hope that it gets all
the way through, but realistically it probably doesn't in some cases,

(23:43):
in which case when you cut it, you treat that
in the same way that it's a tangent to what
you're talking about. If I'm putting a fence post in
like you know, standard hundred by hundred or something like
that for a regular residential fence, I'll make sure that
I never put a cut end in the ground. I'm
going to use the end that's you know, uncut basically

(24:05):
that I know is got preservative in it, and I'm
going to put that in the ground. But so I
guess in your sense, your situation, it might be possible
that at the time the treatment process for that bunch
of poles, that bunch of rounds was not as good
as it could have been, in which case, I guess

(24:26):
what you're seeing as surface water sits there, it attacks
the collar above the ground, and that's where you're getting
that decay and it's basically snapping off at ground level.

Speaker 11 (24:36):
That's right, And it was the first time in our experience,
and we've.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
Put a lot of posts.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Yeah, sure, we're.

Speaker 11 (24:44):
Pulled posts, you know, fifty sixty years and they're still
as good as to day they went in. And my
question was of some sort of authority that I oversee
the panelizing system if you like.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, yes, I'm thinking it would probably be back through
you know, various government departments. But of course they get
updated as well, so you've got things like you know
today it's mb looks after building and construction. So the
building sector, it used to be the building Industry Authority.

(25:23):
It used to be Department of Building and Housing and
so on. I guess there's standards New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (25:33):
Well, in the early days there used to be stamped.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
Every time, right, yes, yes.

Speaker 11 (25:40):
But not anymore so, like a lot of things.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Are they not. So if you if you go down
to farmlands or wherever you happen to buy your posts
from these days, they wouldn't have an identifier on each
post saying this is this is who made it, and
then that there's also a way of tracking the preservative
process that might have gone into it.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
I'm pretty sure there's not a burnt.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Right, Okay, yep.

Speaker 11 (26:10):
That was the idea in the past to guarantee the
yeah and yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
So look, I kind of feel your pain in the
sense that earlier this year I spent a better part
of a day digging out rotten fence posts, just good
old fashioned three to two tantalized rough sword fence posts
in a residential fence that had been set in concrete,
so they'd all started to rot at the top. A

(26:44):
couple of them had snapped off. We'd prop the fence
up and it was like, right, I've got to do
something about it. So cut the panels out, take the
rotten piece out, then had to sort of break up
the concrete, dig our way down because I needed to
put the new posts in the exact location that the
old ones had been in because I wanted to reuse
the panels. So then you've got to dig down through
six hundred mili of concrete, get those out, and then

(27:08):
put a new post in. But that the tip there.
I know it doesn't apply to you because typically you're
if they were they all got in or were they
driven in the piles? Do you think are driven in right?
So getting them out? Can you get them out? Or
do you just put a new one in next to you?

Speaker 11 (27:24):
Yeah, I mean, don't get me.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Well, it's not sure.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
It's just the occasion of.

Speaker 11 (27:31):
It'll clip one or something.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Look, I do wonder whether there was a time when
we tried different preservatives often in the hope that we
would find something that was a little bit more environmentally friendly.
So typically timber preservatives have been CCA, so copper chromium
arsenic and that worked. But of course people freak out

(27:53):
when you go, oh, I'm going to put lots of
arsenic into my timber. And then I know, again in
a residential construction. We tried things like Ali sop so
light organic solvent preservatives. That was pretty much useless because
last year I ended up ripping up my twenty year
old tongue and groove deck because all the ends had rotted. Yeah,

(28:16):
because that stuff doesn't work. So now that I've put
down new five tongue and groove, that's all H three
treated H three point two. Yeah, the.

Speaker 11 (28:29):
Skill to be cheaper and cheaper and quaker.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
I suppose in your situation with such a long line,
you'd just go through driving a new pile next to your,
close to the other one, attached the wires to that,
and just let the other one sit there. You wouldn't
even bother pulling it out, would you? No, Well, I
go through the effort of pulling it out.

Speaker 11 (28:48):
Yeah, but you know it's a twenty dollars post. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Hey, have you ever used the new plastic posts that
are out there, the safe post?

Speaker 11 (28:59):
I've looked at them. Yeah, they look great.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Gotta be tempting, isn't it. I mean, you know that
the damn thing's never going to rot. Yeah, I know,
but I you know, if we know something about plastic,
the whole reason you know we're trying to move away
from it in a sense is because it doesn't it
lasts forever, right, so we put in landfill its there forever.
So you make it into a post, put it in

(29:24):
the ground. We're not going to be having conversation twenty
five years about the thing rotting, are we No?

Speaker 11 (29:30):
No, no, But in a lot of cases.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah, it doesn't stay there that long, and it's worth
looking at though.

Speaker 11 (29:38):
Yeah, you've got to go into the post too.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
You know, right, okay, yep, Yeah, it's not always practical,
but there's a place for it.

Speaker 13 (29:48):
Yeah, sure, Yeah, absolutely hate lovely chatting with you.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
Thanks all, best, take care and if I find out
any information about timber treatments. I think we have gone
through periods of time when different treatment processes were applied,
and I think it's fair to say not all of
them were successful. Is twenty five years reasonable for a post?
I guess when you pull out an old toutra one

(30:13):
that's been in the ground for one hundred years, you
go twenty five years. You're not even trying very hard.
But you know, I've pulled out plenty of toutra piles
underneath an old house and they look like a rotten tooth.
Basically you get a solid lump at the top and
then they just tape it down as the decay has
just eaten away, eaten away, eaten away at them. In fact,
I've got one in my gardener's little garden ornament flipped

(30:36):
upside down the Testament to the old days, right yoh?
Is it's just ticked over six forty. If you've got
a question of a building nature, feel free to call
O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Some of the fencing things obviously touched a
nerve for people. How long ago did he put in
the twenty four point five kilometer fence? And about twenty
five years ago? Ask what type of post is used? Peak,

(30:59):
because that can have a huge impact. I'm guessing it's
a one twenty five SD, so small in diameter fence post,
probably pine treated, but the treatment hasn't lasted perhaps as
long as you would have liked. So is twenty five
years reasonable? Or would you expect more out of a
post of that diameter? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten,

(31:19):
Oh before I go, because I'll be back, don't worry
after the break. But just because we're talking fencing, thinking
about the job that I had. You know, basically the
broken posts. Then you've got to dig your way through
all of the concrete, kind of break it up a
little bit, dig out the concrete, dig out the rotten stump.
I reckon The biggest contributed to the fact that those

(31:40):
posts didn't last that long is the way in which
the people finish the concrete around the post. So put
the post on the ground, put some concrete around it,
make sure that you build the concrete up towards the
post with a little bit of runoff. These ones, they
had thrown the concrete and kind of, to be fair,
a bit rough, I think with the greatest respect of

(32:01):
the people that did it. So it wasn't even flat.
It was actually a slight hollow, so every time it rained,
water would sit on top of the concrete at the
base of the post. It didn't run off, and I
think that could contribute it to the failure. There you go,
So if you're doing concrete around a post, make sure
that it's you you finish it off with fall away

(32:23):
from the post. Hot tip from me at six forty one.
We'll be back after the break. Vexting what they forgot
to mention on that YouTube video.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
The resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today call OH eight News
Talk ZB your.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
News TALKSB six forty five in the next hour, in
about forty five minutes time, we'll have Bryce McDermott, our
painting expert from Razine on the line. So if you've
got any specific painting questions, text them through now. We'll
have those lined up for Bryce at around seven thirty
this morning. So nine two nine two is ZBZB from
your mobile phone. If you've got any specific painting questions,

(33:05):
if you've got any specific questions around the granny flat,
and I'm starting to get a couple of texts, I'm
going to compile those and next week on the show,
we're going to be joined by Phil mcnarara, who's part
of the brand's team. Basically fills the person when I,
as a builder or tradesperson, you bring up brands and
go look, I need some advice on X y Z.

(33:27):
He's the person that answers the phone basically. So Phil's
going to join us next week. Brands are issuing a
bulletin which details all of the regulations a summary of
the regulations and the compliance for the Granny flat. The
first text that we got was can we come up
with a better name than Granny Flat? Well, there is

(33:47):
actually an official name for it, which is the simple
standalone dwellings that doesn't quite roll off the tongue like
Granni flats. But I agree with you. I think that
somehow that notion has stuck. It's a very good summary.
It's evocative in a sense, but it does feel like
it's kind of outdated, doesn't it. It's not what these

(34:09):
buildings are about in all cases anymore. So, yes, it
would be great if you can come up with a
snapping new phrase apart from the very functional phrase of
simple standalone dwellings. That would be awesome. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Couple of other texts have come and
including some comments about, you know, the sadness around the

(34:33):
end of some investigative programs. Who might go and investigate
things like why didn't those posts last longer? Appreciate your comments, owen.
Another text, can you help me how frequently should you
treat cedar exterior boards and what do you need to
do to prep them for treatment? Finally, some of the
boards have a small crack at the bottom. Should I

(34:54):
address that in some way? I have to say it
drives me to despair sometimes to see and I as
an opening statement, I absolutely absolutely love cedar. I think
it's a fabulous timber. I think it's I've used it
for cladding and different purposes over many, many years. I

(35:16):
absolutely love it. But it does drive me to despair
when I see it being installed in situations where it's
going to be incredibly difficult nigh on im possible to
maintain it in the way that you need to in
order to keep it looking really good. And you know,
so you know, modern townhouse three stories high, not much

(35:38):
space to put up a ladder or a scaffold, and
then somebody clads the gable in cedar. And I again,
I really really love cedar, but it does require some
looking after, so you really need to if it's relatively new,
track it back through the supplier. The supplier will have

(36:01):
a maintenance schedule included, and that might be a number
of recommended products, and you might find when you read
the small print that failure to comply with the maintenance
schedule avoids any warranties on it. And in some cases,
the expectation might be that you're out there every eighteen
months applying a coat to it. And certainly if the

(36:22):
bottom of the boards are starting to crack, that's essentially
the timber drying out because it's lost its protective coating.
And at a certain point, and we've all seen them,
the boards get to such an extent where they're cupping
the lap that's there, including the weather groove that's in
between that helps prevent water being sucked along or capillary

(36:45):
action and entering the building envelope that's completely open. So
you've got some real problems there. But I think if
it's relatively new, the seedar that you're talking about, then
I would go back through the supplier to the manufacturer,
get the original warranty documents and then follow that advice.
But short answer is you probably have to do more

(37:10):
maintenance than you think. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
And there's a couple of places. Actually, I was, funnily enough,
I was driving the other day and there's a house
that I quite like in terms of it's a funky
architectural thing. Mixture of pladding types, including some seed which
they stained a presumacy that they stained basically black, and

(37:31):
I reckon would it be two years old? Maybe already
you can see that it's wearing off. And then depending
on where some parts are slightly covered protected by an eve,
other parts aren't. And you're seeing this real sort of
evidence of wear and tear on different parts of the building.
And I'm looking at that going you know, two years

(37:52):
and your coating is effectively starting to break down or
you know it's it's now requiring maintenance and if you
delay it, it's going to be a problem. Actually, there's
a big story about that this week online as well.
Ninety percent of New Zealand houses require maintenance. Yeah, no surprise,
is there to be fair anyone might dig into that story.

(38:13):
But later to six fifty, I'll take a break and
then we'll come back and chat with Mark.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Turning os into She'll be right the Resident Builder with
Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi
Building Today Call eight hundred eighty News Talks there by a.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
News Talks the'd B. I'm getting some interesting suggestions for
the the a better name than Granny flats Owen always
quick on the text sad neighbor as an SSA D
neighbor flats, so simple standalone dwelling s SA D neighbor
people are going to be upset when they start arriving.

(38:53):
I suspect, you know, we'll come to that in just
the moment. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number
mark greetings. Yeah A good things.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
Yeah. Question.

Speaker 14 (39:03):
We've got a concrete pettier. The house was built ten
years ago, structurally really good concrete vatio for the finish
on it's terrible. All blocks in horrible. So we're wanting
to obviously and improve that situation. And I wonder whether
we should put turn it into a timber deck or

(39:25):
to tile over the concrete.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
Can I offer up another suggestion?

Speaker 9 (39:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (39:32):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
There's a new product from Razine Construction called Microstone, which
is a it's a like eu athane adhesive based render
that you can apply and that's then traffickable and you
can color it to pretty much whatever color you want.

(39:55):
And the reason I know about that is that I
had a twenty year old concrete table that I made
myself years ago. The guys from Razine came round with
a mixed up this product, applied it over the top.
It adheres as a primer, and then you do two
coats and then you can put a sealer over it.
And I've done that and I was actually I was

(40:16):
looking at it the other day thinking, kroky, that was
a really good solution. They've also used it, for example
in their warehouse in Glenfield. Right, so in the showroom
when you come in again, pitted concrete floor looked pretty
miserable and all the rest of it in there for
a weekend. Apply a code of this microstone job done?

Speaker 9 (40:36):
Oh wow?

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Yeah, So have a look. Just go to the Razine
Construction website. We'll give them a call and ask about
the microstone. All right, all right, I mean there's other alternative,
but I think in your situation, that's a really straightforward, durable,
long lasting solution. Yeah, we'll do that, all right, have look,

(40:57):
Take care, all the best, mark take care. Yeah. Well,
actually did I help?

Speaker 7 (41:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:02):
I did the prep and I did the sealer, but
then I left the actual application of the ren to
the professional. So fill and the guys came by and
sorted that out. Actually looks awesome, and it looks awesome
a year later, which is all you can ask for.

Speaker 8 (41:14):
Right.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
We're back after new Sport and Weather top of the
hour at seven helping you finish that fibe.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
But it fixed.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
You started the Resident Builder with Beeter Wolfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZB.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Well, very good morning, welcome back to the show. My
name's Pete wolf Camp, Resident Builder and this is the
Resident Builder on Sunday. That's the name of the show anyway.
And if you've got a question of a building nature,
you can join us now by phoning eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. You can text through as well, which is
nine two nine two zib from your mobile phone and

(41:58):
if you would like to see me an email, you're
more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot NZ.
Had a quick check during the about we we were
talking with Mark about he's got a concrete patio area
that's not looking great. Do you overlay it? Which are options?
Or I did suggest something that i'd used myself or

(42:19):
had applied at home, which is a microstone finish. So
if you go to the Razine Construction website and then
search for microsone, you'll find it there and it's on
the Rocko website as well. So razine microstone finishes is
what you're after, and yeah, super durable, so that'll work. Oh,

(42:40):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We've talked about roofing, we've talked about flashings, we've talked
about I guess now one of the hard things is failures, right,
products not lasting as long as you hope that they would.
So the conversation about fence posts and perhaps the timber
preservative not protecting the post for as long as expected,
or is it reasonable to go Actually, if the fence

(43:01):
post starts to get a little bit rotten, a little
bit shaky after twenty five years, that's a reasonable time
for that to have lasted, given that it's sitting out
in the elements, it's embedded in the soil. In this instance,
it was in a farm situation where they're driven into
the ground. Would you expect them to last longer? We

(43:23):
can talk about that, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We can talk about all things building in construction on
the show this morning coming up. This is kind of
a prompt for next week when I'm going to spend
some time with Phil mcmaharra from Brands. Brands have just
released a guidance around for want of a better phrase,

(43:44):
and it's the phrase that we're all using, but I'm
open to suggestions as to what might be a better name.
Is the whole thing around granny flats, right, This is
the legislation that allows you potentially to build up to
seventy square meters on an existing property, so that it
can't be on a new site. So that's one of
those caveats to the legislation. Anyway, Brands have really a guideline,

(44:07):
will be releasing one which will set out kind of
a summary of all of these things. So if you've
got any specific questions, the team that have put that
summary together, the Brands Bulletin will be available next Sunday
on the show, and I'm going to give them a
whole lot of questions to ask so or to answer rather, So,
if you've got any specific questions around the granny flats height,

(44:30):
type of materials, locations, connecting to services who can do
the work, et cetera, text them through. I'll compile those
and then that'll be the basis for our interview next week.
Speaking about texts, Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine
will be around, will be available at about twenty minutes time.
So if you've got any specific painting questions, and I'm

(44:51):
getting some really good ones at the moment, then text
those through to nine to nine two and we'll ask
Bryce when he's with us in about twenty minutes time.
But right now, Nathan, have very good morning to you. Ye,
good morning things.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yeah night in porticoling from fungar Ay. We live live
in this place for three years and a couple of
years ago we put new wood burner. Yes, and we
had the inspector to get uh this place never had
a call a compliance, so we got to expect yester

(45:30):
I he checked everything past or that's the second time
we're getting trying to get one. And he advised us
for the wood burner, the chimney, the flu pipe to
be swiped and advise us to get somebody to swip
it and give us condition of the of the wood burner.

(45:54):
And he's asking some things that I don't understand. We
have together. What's it called consent? And could the burner
been there for a three years?

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Yeah, I can understand why it might be a little
bit frustrating for you, but it's it is quite clear
in the building legislation and building code that if you
install I guess it relates to risk. Right, So if
you were to put in a wood burner and it
was not put in correctly, the potential for risk loss

(46:33):
of life is quite high. Obviously you're lighting a fire
inside your house. Yes, So that's why typically if you're
installing or replacing a wood burner, you need a building
consent for that. So if you've installed one and you
didn't get a building consent for it at the time,
you'll need to prove that it's compliant with the building code.

(46:58):
So in your situation, I wonder whether the simplest thing
would be, given that you only had this new one
installed recently, is to go back to the person and
that installed it or the people that you bought it.
It's thirty years ago, okay Shivers, All right, then it
still needs to comply and and the burden of proof
is on you. So I wonder whether the council inspector

(47:22):
is asking you to prove that. Yeah, so you may
have to get someone an expert you know in fireplaces,
to come possibly even just replace the flu completely and
and then that if that's the kind of the last
thing on your list, it's it's like, just get it done,

(47:44):
because getting that CCC resolved is really really important.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah, I understand you. Yeah, I like to thank you
very much for no trouble advice the scripers and good
you said meeting with them. Yeah, that's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
Excellent living here for thirty years.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Yeah, where the horrible weather never leak anywhere?

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Yep, good, well, excellent. Oh well, I'm pleased because you
know that funny it was. It was a conversation I
had with a number of building surveys yesterday around you know,
sometimes things are done that are not exactly as per
the building or there they're not as per the plan,
but they work right. And then if they work and

(48:30):
they perform, i you know, a flashing detail or a
scriber that prevents water from getting into the building, then
later on you go, hey, lovely to chat with you,
Nathan and all the best with the fireplace, take care,
getting some good texts on the windows. All sorts of
painting questions, so we're going to look at those shortly.

(48:52):
This one's not really a painting question, so I'll answer that. Now, Hi,
I've got some dry rot on an inside window sill.
I've removed it and there's a deep hole. How can
I fill it correctly? The hole goes right through to
the corner board. Thanks from Marie, I'm going to assume
that the corner boards like the facing or something like that,
or the upright. If it's of that scale, you could

(49:17):
possibly put a piece of timber that's just slightly larger
than the hole, but we'll still fit in there. So
you sort of scoop it through and adhere that to
the underside of the hole and then put your filler
on top would be one option. It's going to say.
In some cases, I've seen people put foam and then

(49:37):
kind of bog over the top of that. But forget,
I said that that's a bit dodgy. Let's not go there.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Richard. Good morning to.

Speaker 15 (49:46):
You, Yes, good morning three on Wednesday. It's sort of
building question ratefully. The contract came in and replaced some
Lino and Karpa this vinyl planting. They stand of the
original flooring, which is chipboards about thirty years old, right,

(50:07):
and then they glued it straight onto that and now
a lot of the joins with the planks meet curling up.
I'm just wondering, should they have put down some kind
of board before they put that down.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
Or serially, I'm thinking, so the laminate flooring that you
selected was designed to be glued down.

Speaker 15 (50:36):
The experts somebody I won't mention the continent. Yeah, they
came in and quoted, and then they contract somebody to
come in and install it. And this is all these
guys that who was installed vinyl flooring, right, Yes, I
mean it's only small vinyl planks, you like about a meter,
buy two fifty or two hundred. Yes, so yeah, it

(50:59):
would have to be glued down because otherwise they just
lift up.

Speaker 9 (51:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Okay, I'm just checking because I know that some flooring
systems can be either glued down or floating. Some are
designed to be just floating, some are designed to be
just glued down. So I suppose the first thing is
is that product it's meant to be glued down. And
so it's the butt join between the various boards that's lifting.

Speaker 15 (51:26):
Yeah, at each where they meet, it's just popping up,
fueling up.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
Look, obviously it's a failure, right, So it's on the
contractor or on the manufacturer. If it's manufacturer's issue, which
is unlikely, it'll be a contractor issue in terms of
not installing the product as per the manufacturer's guidance.

Speaker 9 (51:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
And I wonder and part of that might be to
do with the adhesion to the substrate. So if it's
old particle board and it had something else on it
and then they've got rid of that, then they've given
it a sand you know, maybe they were supposed to
do an adhesion primer, for example, rather than just the
adhesive on the top of it. That's possible. Possibly the

(52:11):
manufacturer does state you need to put a substraight down,
which if they haven't done that, then that's their problem
as well. Or the other thing might be that they've
actually joined the boards two tight together, in which case
there's not movement, and inevitably there'll be a little bit
of movement to that product, although not much in line,
not but it'll be enough just to put pressure on

(52:33):
the joint and pop the joint up. So there's a
couple of things. One is it's not your problem, it's
their problem, and they've got to own it because in
the end, they've got a product which works, and in
this instance they've put it down in such a way
that it doesn't work. And often when you're dealing with

(52:54):
contractors in this situation, they're trying to make it somebody
else's problem. It's nobody else's problem, bar theirs.

Speaker 15 (53:04):
They late at Wednesday. I noticed it on Friday afternoon. Yeah,
went into the Ye.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
No, it'll be an install problem. Might be humidity problem,
but it's going to be an install problem. It's going
to be their problem. And chances are they going to
be back ripping the whole thing out and redoing it.

Speaker 15 (53:20):
Oh wow, Okay, nice suspect.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
Yeah, but good luck. And you know, I'm always curious
how these things go, so let us know whether. Yeah,
because again what you hope for is like mistakes happen
in building as they.

Speaker 15 (53:32):
Do in life.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
The thing that's really really important for contractors is putting
it right, like you're not trying to fight with you
for ages, going it's not my problem and data da
da da, Just put it right. And just on that. Actually,
I was part of a discussion a little while ago
with again some people from brands, and it was a
satisfaction survey just very quickly. What was really fascinating is

(53:56):
they surveyed some people who had had work done, and
then they invited a select group to come through and
have a discussion, right, And what emerged was in the
satisfaction results were higher for clients that had experienced a defect,
let's say, but then the contractor had responded to it

(54:16):
and fixed it. They got a higher satisfaction level than
someone who, let's say, engagees a contractor. The work goes
off without a hitch, and they might give them a
six right out of ten. But if you had a
problem like with you and the contractor goes, Yep, that's
a problem, I'm really sorry about that. Will be there
as soon as we can to fix it, and we'll
fix it. Their satisfaction level might have been an eight,

(54:40):
So it's fixing it, dealing with it.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
It's interesting though, isn't it from a behavior point of view?
So yeah, but let us know how you get on.
I will do all right, very much, appreciate it. Take care.
Mistakes happen, like building is all about. It's not all
about mistakes, but it's all about putting it right because
they do happen. Right, you build the only people who

(55:03):
don't make mistakes. Of those people that make nothing is
my editude. So when there's a mistake, fix it and
the satisfaction level goes up. It's a fascinating little piece
of research. Seven were going to take short break.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
We'll be back with lear in a moment where Diy
gets unstuck. Call eighteen eighty The Resident Builder with Peter
Wolfcam and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi Building
Today News Dogs b.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Got a really good text about replacing lights and what
work homeowners can do. Steve, what I'd suggest you do,
and that's exactly what I've just done, is go to
the work Safe website and you just type in homeown
or electrical. That brings up a whole series of guidances,
lots and lots of caveats at the beginning saying yes,

(55:55):
legally you're allowed as a homeowner to do a very
limited amount of work, but it stresses the fact that
you have to be very well not confident. Actually, we
don't want you to be confid We want you to
know that you are competent to do this work, that
you've got some experience in it, that you're not inadvertently
going to cause damage or injury to yourself or to

(56:18):
other people. So the guidance is there on the work
Safe page. In a nutshell, it seems that yes, you
can change the lights, but it's come to a whole
lot of caveat. It's a whole lot of warnings as
to why you shouldn't. But anyway, have a look at
the guidance. It's there on the work safe website. Lee,
good morning.

Speaker 16 (56:37):
Hello, oh hello, hello, good one page, good idea. I've
got a well at least in twenty ten, I remodeled
my family bathroom all like for like that something actually
had one less strain at the time. The plumber and
the border both advised me in twenty ten that I
didn't need to consent. I put a shower over a

(57:03):
full bath with piled wolves around and light shower door.
The house is going up for sale, and when I
had agents throw the property, one crowd said nothing about
my bathroom, and the other asked if I'd got consent
for the bathroom. I advised no, because I didn't need it.

(57:25):
I have a waterproofing certificat I was told I didn't
need one, and they indicated because of the membrane and
the tiles on the floor in the wall that would
not be deemed consented anymore. So I'd ended a really
deep dive and phoned and researched, and everyone told me
it's a gray area. I was constantly told this, and

(57:47):
the council were more concerned regarding walk and fully child showers.
I engaged a building a spector who verbally consumed are
not require a consent. I would not have required a
consent back then. However, he called prior to releasing the report,
and he rene John what he had told me.

Speaker 8 (58:08):
He said that.

Speaker 16 (58:10):
A conference and at that conference they were talking about showers,
and the council were getting sticky on file showers, previously
sticky with fully filed walking showers, and now my tiles
around shower over the bath was probably also in that category.

Speaker 12 (58:31):
His report was really positive.

Speaker 16 (58:35):
He confirmed that the tiled walls forming the clad into
the shower over the bath, combined with the crowd grouting
as a reasonable condition and looked to be well maintained.
The rigid backing behind the tiles being packed out to
enable the tiles to travel down over the front of
the bath lips, forming an adequate cover for a drip
edge He also ked that typically at the time of

(59:01):
the tile installation of building consent was not obtained by
the owner, which was and still is a requirement, and
as a p S three was genuinely all that was
required to get insurance cover in case the shower leaked.
Due to the en Brand failure, in recent years, insurance
companies have got tough frame. We're no longer covered tile

(59:21):
showers based on a PS three only and must have
a code of compliance from the local territorial authority.

Speaker 12 (59:31):
So my showers stood.

Speaker 16 (59:33):
The test of time, It's past its moisture testing, it's
had three it's been tinted over the last ten years,
and it has three little boys splashing around in that bathroom,
no issues and all. So my question to you, well,
it would appear that I have to go down the
cr A track to make a sale sort of low easily.

(59:59):
And my question to you is have you had any experience.
I mean, I'm going to be frustrated with the cold
saying and any idea of the time train, the cost,
what I can expect. You know, I've got to have
a meeting apparently to take All I've got is a
waterproofing certificate which is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Good because it's often more than most people have, right,
you know, so you're sort of on the right track
because you've got some proof of compliance, right, And I
share your frustration because if you look at you know
where these things leak. Often it's actually around the floor,

(01:00:38):
So level entry is the highest risk. Tiled a fully
tiled enclosure, so walls and floor with a hob is risky,
but less risky because of the hob. And then something
with a pre formed shower base, whether that's a shower
tray or on your instance, a bath with a lip

(01:01:01):
that you can clearly bring the waterproofing over the top of.
And a waterproof certificate, you know, a pears three from
the waterproof or a statement from the waterproofer, you know,
give some surety to everyone. And that's where I think
his the inspector's first assessment is probably honest and real. Right,
what's the risk here? If it was going to fail,

(01:01:23):
it probably would have failed by now, right if it
was done in twenty ten. So in a sense it's
proved its compliance on a performance measure. Has it performed? Yes,
it has because there's no evidence of leaking. So but

(01:01:44):
I guess realism doesn't always work in the sense that
you know there's not a problem. I could probably, listening
to what you're saying, say no, there's not a problem.
But because insurers and banks and so on are really
really reluctant to loan on things that they consider risky,
I something that maybe should have had a consent but
doesn't have one, then that's where the problem is. There's

(01:02:06):
two pathways. One is the certificate of acceptance, which I
think you'd probably have reasonable grounds to get that, but
you're going to get you're going to probably need someone
like a building surveyor or a compliance specialist to undertake
that work for you, So you're going to be up
for a couple of thousand dollars by the time you
go through that process. The other thing that's just popped

(01:02:29):
up and landed on my desk this week for a
project that's very similar to yours your situation, is a
letter of exemption, so essentially a statement seemingly issued by
counsel saying, you know, we regard the work as low
risk and therefore we're prepared to offer an exemption to

(01:02:50):
getting a building consent, which is I guess their way
of saying, we don't know we're not telling you that
it's okay, but we're telling you it was okay not
to get a consent at the time, which seems reasonable,
So that might be another part way. It's on my
to do list to figure out what that means for

(01:03:11):
a client this week, so I'll try and mention it
again next week on the show. But I think your
next step, if you're going to sort of go and
engage with counsel around the certificate of acceptance, you're going
to need to seek advice from a compliance specialist. It's
one of those things opportunity creates industry, so there are

(01:03:35):
a few people now working specifically in that space helping
people like yourself to get to a compliance solution.

Speaker 16 (01:03:42):
Can you suggest someone or.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
I tell you what again? I'll pop you back and
if you leave your details, I can put you in
touch with someone. Certainly. Just stay on the line. We'll
be back in a moment. We're going to take short break.
We're going to get Bryce on the line. We're going
to knock out a whole bunch of painting questions for
you shortly, still time to send in your texts. Bryce McDermott,
our painting expert from razine with us straight after.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
The break measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty the resident builder with Peter wolf Camp and
Independent Building Supplies the future of can we building today?

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
News talks? There'd be news talks, there'd be And our
painting expert Bryce McDermott is on the line. A very
good morning to you, Bryce. How are you this morning?

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
Yeah? Good? Thanks, got the cat next to me pouring away.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Yes, mine came in at about three forty five this morning,
demanding attention and food and these sorts of things. Anyway,
right yoh, now whether this changing and so suddenly we're thinking,
you know, about painting in these conditions. So autumn days

(01:04:51):
a little bit shorter, can get a little bit cooler,
still quite warm for part of the day. What's the
sort of thing that we really need to look for
if we're painting in these conditions?

Speaker 9 (01:05:02):
Yeah, well, humidity is a big killer, you know, at
all times. I keep harping on about time, but you know,
look at reducing your painting times and maybe between ten
o'clock and two o'clock, you know, just to allow the
temperature to rise and to watch out for the due point,

(01:05:24):
you know, that's another thing you can look for on
your on your weather app on your phone as the
due point, which is a temperature that jew starts to
form on surfaces and things like that. So that's always
a good thing. So you just shorten your painting time.
If you're painting indoors, make sure you have a little
bit of through ventilation and if it's really super cold,

(01:05:49):
you know, maybe introduce a dehumidifier or something like that,
prove of another room and just let it gently pick
over in another room. So you know, just just be
sensible about it and just watch your temperature and anti
humidity and you know it's you know, it's not a race.
You know, it'll get done eventually.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Oh actually, just on that. I did send this through
to Jay the other day. So made of mine just
very quickly made of mine stripped back to bear timber,
a Cawi window frame, right a sash, so knock the
glass out, strip the all of the old paint off,
gave it a code of primer, oil based primer. After

(01:06:31):
about a day, it was still tacky. What do you
think has happened there?

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Sometimes you know native timbers like teter Matti and things
like that have I'm not exactly sure what happens to there,
but oil based primers and things like that tend to
not cure as well. So you know you should spot
to quick drive for that sort of thing, and you'd

(01:07:00):
be able to proceed quite happily. Okay, quick drive being
in a collect primer.

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Yeah, it's awesome that, right, old, I'll mention that, tom. Right,
let's rip into a couple of text Can I use
water based roof paint on a rusted metal surface?

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
Well you can, but you have to treat You have
to treat the rust first, right, Yeah, we do have
what we call a rust seiler now, which is a
water born product that just converts the rust to a
black material and then you can, mind you you've got
to clean off all loosen and add a rusty material

(01:07:40):
that you've got to on the first convert the rust.
And then a galvanized iron primer or whether it be
a gate or whatever it is that they're painting, a
coat of GP primer or GALVEO one depending on right
roofs or the gate, and then two coats of summit roof.

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
Okay, brilliant, but yeah, just painting over rust is not
a magic treatment is it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:08):
No, No, you've got to actually remove all the loose materials,
convert the rust.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Right in the way you go now, similar thing. Someone's
just checking in to make sure they're doing it right,
and I think they are. So metal weather boards, metal
pre painted weather boards. They're in very good condition. Wanting
to do a repaint, so they've prepared and spot primed
with some Razine Armor x GP solvent based primer two
top coats of Sonics one oh one. I'm told by

(01:08:38):
Razine this is the correct process. I don't need to
apply to completely prime every weather board. So I think
he's right, isn't it? You know, tackle those areas where
there might be a bit of rust or or it's
it's come off. But if you're coating over a good coat,
you don't necessarily need to reprime.

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
Everything, providing it's been painted before, right.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Yes, which in this one it has Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
Yeah, everything's there, excellent.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Where are we going to ah now currently painting? Perhaps
the roller was a bit dry and the paint has
been pulled or dragged, leaving a slightly bobbly texture on
the wall. Is there a way to fix that without
standing it back? Thanks from Kyle.

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
No, not really. What might have happened there is Well,
there's a number of things wrong, type of roll of sleep,
overworking it when it's starting to actually to dry. You know,
it's been reasonably hot lately, and you know the surface
can start to go off, and if you're overworking it,

(01:09:45):
it'll texture it up quite quickly. Right, use a bit
of hot weather cineer maybe just to give you a
bit more working time. But no, there's no You've really
got to send it's mood again, because if you just
paint over it, you're just going to increase the texture.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
It'll just build on it so right, it'll build rather
then you're kind of flatten it out by painting over
it unfortunately.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
Okay, and if it's water base paint, you know it
will be a bit of a mission to try and
sand it smooth because it does tend to give up
the sandface for being a water war material.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
Yeah. Ouch, okay, but no, there's not a simple answer there,
I think.

Speaker 8 (01:10:28):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Twenty year old sectional garage door clad in horizontal seed,
a tongue and groove stained in a sort of honey color.
The surface is now in poor condition. It's flaking and
it's worn out. The timbers sound. What options does Rezimee
suggest sand back to re raw timber and re stain
or could I sand to a firm surface and apply

(01:10:52):
maybe a solid paint system over the top. So there's
there's a couple of options, there isn't it. It's obviously
maintenance has been delayed, the coating is broken down. You
could reapply a stain, or if you want to actually
give it a solid coat of paint, how would you
do that?

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
Okay, well, the first top in the stain is give
it a good wash down with deckwash, just to remove
all the old stain residue and add bits and pieces
that might be there. You may want to give it
a moss and mold treatment if the top half of
the door, which doesn't get sun or wind and rain

(01:11:32):
and stuff like that, has a bit of black mold
on it or anything like that, So give it a
good wash down and then you can reapply two coats
of stain. Depends on the type of stain, and they
probably don't know what stain it is because nobody keeps
the buckets for any length of time. I wouldn't think.

(01:11:55):
But if it's a normal stain, yes you can restain
it if you're going to go dark, just don't expect
it to cover in one go. You know, it's a
long process to change the color of a door, right, yes,
to paint it, you still washed your wass and mole
and wash it downward timber and deck wash, and then

(01:12:18):
apply a full coat of oil based wood driver, and
then two coats of an acrylic over the top, probably
something like lastcrilla or an amacrel because you know, being
a sectional door, you don't want something to you know,
normal a critical stick. If there's those you know, the
sections meet as it folds down. Yes, yeah, so that

(01:12:41):
would be the.

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Go okay, that makes sense. Now this is an interesting one.
The heads of lots of stainless steel bolts on my
wooden deck are rusting. I'd like to paint them what product?
I mean? I know that that's counterintuitive, isn't it. It's
stainless steel for a reason, But I have seen it
rust so okay, So you've got a bit of stainless

(01:13:02):
it's starting to rust and good old hot gussy. What
would used to coat it?

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
I would probably even use a three M scrubbing pad,
you know, like the pots g and just get rid
of that surface raft on the on the on the
bolt right screws or whatever they are, and then spot
prime them with a bit of GP prime and then
and then repaint the debt. Yes, okay, that would put

(01:13:31):
it to be the only option. I would think.

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Lots of people wanting to Yeah, I know, look, I
have seen it. It's a weird old thing, but I
have seen it. Lots of people wanting to paint steel today.
So someone who's going to have their corrigid iron roof repainted,
they're going to change the color. Can they also paint
the spouting and the facia. Well, if it's metal, then

(01:13:53):
yes you can. It'd be the same process, wouldn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
Yeah, if it's I've seen color steel guttering, but also
the facier is made of color steel as well. It
can be done. You've got a product called pre coated
steel primer that will quite happily do that. So, yeah,
you can bring the roof color down and over the
gutthering and onto the facer as well, providing its color steel.

(01:14:17):
Right if it's if it's timber, yes, you know you
might as well use the you know, the same product
that you've done on the roof, but just primate appropriately.

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
Okay, now this is this might be our last one.
It's a it's a classic Pete A question for Bryce.
I'm a woodworker. Most of my pieces I usually use
like a buffed oil and wax. But I think they're
wanting something that's a little bit more impermeable. They've used
oil based polyurethanes in the past, but now they're thinking

(01:14:50):
about the razine water based eurothane, putting it on with
a speed brush. Can I can I get a sort
of saturn look in that?

Speaker 10 (01:15:02):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
You can?

Speaker 9 (01:15:02):
Even you can even get a flat.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Ah.

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
We've got a product called a quickly a natural which
is a dead flat, which a lot of people are
using on fireplace around. Yes, you're sarking and stuff like that,
you know, just to give it that natural dead flat look,
you know, which is quite popular. Probably not great for outside,

(01:15:29):
but you know, if we do have that option, and
we do have a satin finish and equal clear as well.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Yeah, and the durability, you know, I think sometimes the
assumption is the durability's not there in the in the
waterborne But my own experiences, I did a worktop, so
plywood worktop that I used as in my office for
years and years and years in Waterborne your thing, no

(01:15:56):
trouble at all, lasted, Yeah, incredibly well for a team
of twelve years. No trouble.

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
Yeah. I put in an old recycled fireplace, wooden fireplace
found in my place, and I sprayed that with this
sat water board and polyuria and the wood burner churns
out a lot of heat. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:18):
Sure, but it's.

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
Surviving quite happily. And that was ten twenty years ago
that I did that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
Yes, brilliant, brilliant. Bryce is always an absolute pleasure. Thank
you very much for your time this morning and more
importantly your expertise, and we'll talk again.

Speaker 9 (01:16:35):
So okay, take care.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Bryce, all the best. Thanks very much to Bryce for
joining us this morning. If you want good advice from
the people that know a lot about painting, pretty much
everything about painting, talk to your team at your Razine
color shop. It is seven forty eight here at news
Talk ZB back in a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Moment beg thing what they forgot to mention on that
YouTube video the Resident Building with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today Call OH
eight hundred eighty eight Youth Talk theb.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
I love that little promo because it does talk about YouTube.
I'll tell you a little bit more about a little
little episode or project we're doing, which will be on YouTube.
Is on YouTube right now in just a moment, so
stand by for that. But first up, Mary, thanks for waiting.
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (01:17:24):
Very good morning to YouTube. Peter, thank you for the
great show.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
So I'm still my pleasure.

Speaker 12 (01:17:31):
Thank you for saving Sorry I was rushing because I
know time isn't the us go you Hey, I'm still
fixed up things from this pain to home handy man.
My front door, which in winter even now and again
gets rained on. It was sticking, and instead of going

(01:17:53):
down the horizontal sorry the vertical line, he went underneath
and planed it. And then after he went toy and
finished as where I have found holes and it's leaking
orange when water hits the door onto it leaks orange
shade onto the door step. This is one of many problems,

(01:18:15):
and he's very difficult to talk to. Should I fell
with wood for love, wait for it to dry and
then carefully painted, or should I fill it with storm
water resistance? Full of it you can use your bathrooms

(01:18:35):
and outside and things.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Yeah, so the front door needed easing in order to
it was binding somewhere. So someone's taken a planer playing
the bottom of the door off, which is not uncommon,
and then reinstalled the door, but didn't paint the bottom
of the door.

Speaker 12 (01:18:52):
M hm, that's right, okay. And it's also got a
little holes in it about up to you without three
little holes up to the first knuckle of your baby
finger sort of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:02):
Yeah, sure, okay, So there's probably a bit of rot
in the bottom of the door. That's what that's about.
I would have thought.

Speaker 12 (01:19:08):
It feels like edges. It feels like edges, like sharp
rectangular edges. And I put a mirror there with a torch,
and that's what it looks like too, because I wondered,
you know, what could hold. So I think while it's
been playing some things, sorry, go ahead, I think while

(01:19:28):
it's been planed with some of the structure has been.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
Yes, yes, potentially. Look, if you go through and playing
the underside of the door, you've obviously got the end
grain of the styles that come down, and then you've
got your planing with the grain of that bottom section
of the door. A couple of just a practical solution
someone's going to need to take the door off, pop

(01:19:58):
it onto a couple of sawhorses, sand the bottom of
it smooth, use some good quality epoxy filler of some
description to fill up any of those holes on the underside.
You may want to seal it first, then use a filler,
or use a filler and then paint over it, depending
on which system you're going to use. The other thing

(01:20:18):
is that before you actually before you take the door off,
check that there's a sufficient gap. Often we don't. It's
a it's an interesting sort of combination of two things
that you need. One is you need a gap that
allows water that might drain down the door not to
be sucked up inside that gap. So it needs to

(01:20:39):
be more than about four millimeters to ensure that a
rain drop surface tension on a rain drop doesn't stick
to the underside of the door or to window sash
and be sucked up inside. So but also you want
to make sure that the bottom of that is completely sealed.
So when when the doors in place, make sure that
the gap is around four millimeters. If it is, that's great,

(01:21:02):
take it off, sand it, you know, prep it, fill
it prime, then rehang the door. Because I think what's
happening is moisture is getting in there and it's draining
out some of the sap and that sort of thing,
and that's what you're seeing on the door sill. But
having the right size gap around join it, particularly we're

(01:21:22):
talking really timber joinery right, is really really important. And
I was looking at a house the other day with
a friend, opened the window and it had been raining
the day before, and because there was an insufficient gap
under the opening sash when I opened the window, the
water was still sitting there right. There wasn't enough fall
on the sill to let the water drain out, and

(01:21:44):
because there was an insufficient gap, the water was being
held there by the surface tension between the two surfaces.
So it's a really interesting little dynamic. But either way,
someone's going to have to take the door off, seal
the bottom, and then rehang the door, but make sure
the gap is right. So good luck with that, Mary.
We're going to talk to John after the break. I've

(01:22:04):
got a bunch of texts to try and catch up with,
and I will I'll tell you about my little YouTube
project straight after the break, which is the news top
of the hour at eight o'clock. Remember Red Climb passed
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and the wonderful world of bugs from eight point thirty
as well back after the news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Turning Oh's into She'll be right the resident builder with
Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi
building today Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talksb.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
Yeah A, News talks heb. It is six minutes after
eight on a Sunday morning, fifteenth of March. I's March,
isn't it. That's the whole brutus Julius Caesar. Think it's
also my nephew's birthday, so happy birthday. Heath Radio and
a couple of things on, including the Wooden Boat Festival.
And one of the organizers, one of the participants rang

(01:23:04):
earlier in the day after say it does look pretty
damn good down at Auckland, around the Viaduct Harbor, around
the Maritime Museum and then across at the Events center.
And I think there's a workshop that's open as well
for those people into the old wooden boats. So lot's
happening around if you've got a question of a building
nature Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(01:23:24):
that number to call. Actually a whole bunch of texts,
and I'm I'm not going to get to all of
them today. But one caller, Richard earlier on, was talking
about having lino planking laid, and then he's noticed that
all of the butt joins basically where the ends of
the boards join, they've all peaked. They're all starting to rise.
Someone's text through peat that lamon. It will be an

(01:23:47):
expansion of the vinyl plank. It's supposed to be on
site for a few days to acclimatize the windows covered
until it's well set. Direct sunlight or heat will cause
this peaking. Yes, it is an install failure from Tommy,
so hopefully that helps. And yes, got a couple of

(01:24:07):
other text to get to in just a moment. Eight
minutes after eight the lines are open. We're talking building
through to eight thirty. From eight thirty this morning, Red
Climb Past will be with us. So if you've got
a question for ridd we will we will come to that.
At around eight thirty this morning. The lines are open.
The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty John,
Good morning.

Speaker 13 (01:24:27):
Good morning to your Peter like my prairie is roofe
slashing related, Yes, the eaves slashing which turns down into
the gutter. The width of the wall is nine meters,
so I have two pieces of slashing to join in
the middle life and fold up at the ends where

(01:24:47):
they meet the walls either side. I just wanted to
know what the overlap should be and the silicon and
rivets sufficiency to join that in the middle, and Y
send the fold up measurement either side.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
Typically, if you do a lap of about one hundred
and fifty millimeters, so lapping those two pieces of flashing
over and then let's say you install the first one
and the next one's going to lap over one hundred
and fifty MILI do a bead of sealant where the
first part of the lap is so that you're covering

(01:25:24):
either side of the lap basically, so you'll have two
beads of sealant. Interestingly enough, I saw something the other
day around there is actually a sort of a guidance
or a requirement that when you seal two pieces of
metal or you overlap them, that you must apply the

(01:25:44):
sealant in such a way that it's visible on the join,
so you let's say you did a bead of sealant
ten millimeters inside. When you press those two surfaces together,
the sealant should extrude out of the junction so you
can see it someone. I saw something the other day

(01:26:05):
about someone getting picked up on that, because I suppose
without that, an inspector might never know whether you've applied
a bead of seilant behind it. And then basically rivets
at fifty milli centers will hold that together really nicely.

Speaker 13 (01:26:23):
Just one row of river.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
Yeah, I don't know that there's any real reason that
you would do two rows to pack up both sides
because the lap that's covered or the end of the
under flashing that's held in place by the top flashing,
so you know, fixing those two together doesn't make any

(01:26:48):
difference in terms of weather proofing, in terms of stopping
moisture from getting in there.

Speaker 13 (01:26:53):
Okay, and the hem at the top of the yestation,
can you cut that off? No one, you know?

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
And it's a really interesting one. And I was I
was actually doing some training modules not last week, the
week before, and we were talking about exactly that. So
it's quite common now for flashings to have a hem.
And I said to the presenter actually, who happened to
be from Brands, and I said, well, you know, in

(01:27:24):
this instance, it was like a backflashing in an internal corner,
and so the flashing might be fifty by fifty with
a hem on it. And I said, look, to be fair,
they're always in the way when it comes to doing
a cladding, and so most a lot of contractors will
just bang them flat right or cut them off. They're
there to prevent moisture from tracking around. Now, I would say,

(01:27:46):
if it's an e flashing with an upstand, if you're
having them custom made, if you made the upstand higher
than what you might require. So let's say it's reasonable
to go, I'm going to leave fifty mili for my cladding.
Then I'm going to want let's say another one hundred
mili of cover water is not driven up and over

(01:28:08):
the flashing, but instead of going one hundred mil I'm
going to go one hundred and fifty milimeters. And maybe
you're taping that to the building underlay or something like that,
or you having the underlay flapping over the top of it.
Then in all practicality it's unlikely that you need the
hem there. But the hem is there for a reason,
and cutting them off defeats the purpose of having them

(01:28:30):
there in the first place.

Speaker 13 (01:28:32):
Okay, Yeah, and the tune up at the end as
they buck up against the walls.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
Again, Depending on how that junction is detailed, you might
end up either cutting the sheet on the let's say,
on the flat surface and folding it around so you've
got the full upstand, or you make the flashing longer
and you put in a corner flashing first, so you
put in a return flashing with a return and then

(01:29:01):
you overlap that. So it's it's kind of whatever works,
and that's situation. But obviously what you don't want is
that you run the flashing into that corner and it
just stops there. You need some sort of upstand to
ensure that it remains we're the.

Speaker 13 (01:29:18):
Type right, Okay, when we're talking about the hens, I
had trouble with the paper, the roof paper four oh
five I was using, and where it hits that hemmet
kind of drops down and creates a little lower point
where the water could sit, you know, and it's it's

(01:29:40):
got a small overhang on the eaves about one hundred mils.
So I put another perline into oh yea to lift
that up. Yes, and let's work to a degree. But
it's very hard to pull a paper tight when when
you're pulling it down over a metal flash.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
Yeah, that's right there. Last, But because you've got no
fixings right, it's not like you can put a staple
through there.

Speaker 13 (01:30:05):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
Bit fiddly, but I think you're on the right track
and at least you're asking the right questions. And I
don't mean to be patronizing, but that's really important to
ask the right questions.

Speaker 13 (01:30:16):
Well, you can't find everything on YouTube, funnily enough.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
You can't. You might be right, but I might be
able to help with that as well. Hey, lovely to
chat with you. All the very best to you, John,
take care all the best. By then, just talking about YouTube,
I started a little exercise with the team at Retro
dg so Betro Performance Glass, who do the double glazing units,
kind of demystifying some things around double glazing and what

(01:30:45):
it does, how you can use it, how you can
maximize it, and if you search for to be fair,
and I don't like searching for myself necessarily, but if
you search for Peter Wolfcamp smarter glass, better living. You'll fine,
It'll take you straight to the YouTube link, so and
all of the information there, and then a couple of
websites that you can look at as well to find

(01:31:06):
a little bit more about double glazing. So that's a
sort of an update. And there's some new blogs on
my website as well, which is resident builder dot Co.
Dot In said, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call filled good morning to you. Sorry,
yes there I am are you.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Yeah, okay, the crash went then, Yeah, I'd just like
to talk about people trying to paint things that they
get stuff coming through from underneath that like Matti and
y Yeah, it was terrible. The oil just kept on
coming through. They did have a special prime the fort once,
but I don't know whether it's even available, but it

(01:31:44):
was actually branded as Matti Matte'd primate, right, and we
used to use it on where we had to do
all our prime their own faces once before we got
the you know, the long run from a jointed Pine.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
And would you have done the glaciers and Massie Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:06):
Think anything you get yeah. Yeah. It was about the
only clean timber roused between but that the the length
started getting shorter and shorter.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Because they ran out of tall trees.

Speaker 8 (01:32:20):
Yeah, and yeah, you would have to you'd have to
mit all of these together and then try Yeah. Yeah,
it was just part of building at much time. But
going back a little bit further than me I was,
I mean, I'm seventy eight now, but there's I was
talking when I was quite a bit younger, and he
was eighty then, and he worked on houses, new houses

(01:32:43):
that were in his apprenticeship. They were very built in Newton. Going. Yes,
you're probably going back to nineteen hundred, you know, nineteen hundreds. Yeah,
And he said that he only I think he only
said we saw at once they built a house out
of twelve by one. Matt, I'll wear the bulls, And

(01:33:04):
he said they had it all. And then the painters
ride and the apprentice paint had to get out of
all these big rocks of line out of there, out
of there. I supposed to be a horse and cart
in those days anyhow. And then he put it in
the bucket. Then he poured kerosene on top of that,
and he had to stand there with a stick and
poke and stir and whatever until he made you know

(01:33:25):
what he made.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
Don't you like a slurry? Or it's a preservative, isn't
it whitewash? Whitewash, that's our white line and kerosene.

Speaker 8 (01:33:37):
Yeah, and remember of yeah, the stories used to read
reader with younger about the old grandmother sent the sent
this grandson out there to whitewash the fence all the time.
And the idea was to preserve it and make it
look nice and white pick of fence. And then before
the days of you know, paint being readily available, there

(01:33:59):
was a way to do it anyhow, I don't read,
but they put then he said, they they went off
and they painted the whole house for this whitewash, right,
And then they went off and they left it. There
must have been summertime. Then they came back about a
week or more later, and then they dusted it off.
We've all gone, you know, just the light line sitting

(01:34:23):
on the top of it, and they dusted it with
dust brushes all off, and then they painted it. And
he said he drove past that place thirty years later
and it was perfect today. It was they for this
a off and they had so I think it might
have been something might have got lost in the hand

(01:34:43):
me down.

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
Yeah, I'm not sure that sending the apprentice out with
lumps of lime and a bucket of curro scenes.

Speaker 8 (01:34:51):
Yeah, yeah, Well the Woods continued to give trouble over
the years, but on the sunny side, blessing them pulling off. Yes, yes,
And and when he told me that story, I I
thought that. Then when I thought about I thought of
a Hackleberry friend going out there and whitewashing the defense

(01:35:12):
all the time. You remember the books.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
I wonder where you can actually get lumps of lime,
because part of me is thinking I might have a
wee experiment with this if I got garden limeman kerosene
and mix something up as long as it didn't explode
in a shed.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
Yeah, I don't know about garden, but yeahs of red
Veil Line Line quarry has gone now that that's a
that's a rubbish stump. And there was there used to
be Bayer's Red Veil. Actually at Red Veil, I think
their quarry might be closed now. They owned the busses

(01:35:49):
out that way now, And but there must be somewhere
around that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:55):
You might have set me off. It's not like I
need another distraction in my life. But I'm very, very
tempted to do a little bit of sort of bush
experimentation on that. That's that's fantastic, Hey Phil, I've got
to run, But thank you very much for that story.
I have to say that every now and then because
I for a long time I spent a lot of
time working on old houses, and I often thought it

(01:36:16):
would be fascinating to replicate building one today. So hand
tools only excuse me, potentially materials delivered to site, not
on a not on a diesel or petrol truck, and
then how long it would take to hand cut everything,

(01:36:39):
hand nail everything. It could be a very slow television show,
I'm thinking. But I don't know. Someone's got to have
done it somewhere anyway. That's another thought for me. Right
Yoh it is twenty Wim takes short break. Remember Rudd
from eight thirty this morning.

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I went out as a young fellaw and bought myself
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It's still the same one that I'm using today, So
it's almost thirty years old. Works fine, but I had
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when I extend the line, it doesn't last long. It
keeps breaking off. And I was just I tried all
sorts of different lines and all the rest of it,
and then I had a look at the head that's
on the line trimmer and realized that it was quite well,
it's old. It's thirty years old, right, And I was
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(01:39:24):
Put that on wonderful. So there you go. Thirty year
old tram are still working well. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question for Rudd.
That'd be great because we're going to jump into the garden.
I've got some fantastic the chat that we had with
Phil about native timbers and coating them in particular, Mattie

(01:39:45):
seems to be really hard to get a paint surface on.
And he was talking about having a chat when he
started his apprenticeship, which might have been if he's seventy
eight now, better part of sixty years ago, with a
guy who was in his eighties then, who was probably
working on villas at the turn of the last century,
and he described the situation where they get some lime

(01:40:06):
and some kerosene that'd mix up essentially whitewash, apply that
and then put their paint coating over the top. Anyway,
a whole bunch of people have text through as well. Pete.
I make a whitewash slurry with powdered hydrolyzed lime and
salt and then painted on the old concrete water tank.
Apparently there is still a lime quarry at Tiquity and Pete.

(01:40:29):
All the old cottages on the coast of Ireland were
lime washed for the harsh Atlantic winter weather. That would
be over masonry, wouldn't it be over. You know. They
were basically assembled out of rocks out of the fields,
you know, as the farmer plowed and they had a
rock and they put that aside. Then go, there's my
extension all there. Fantastic right loving that. Oh, eight hundred

(01:40:53):
and eighty ten eighty. If you would like to talk
to Rude, that'd be great. Oh and before we jump
into the garden. One of the things I got to
this week was they call a midbuild open home, so
was invited. Lots of people were to go up to
a house that's being built just north of Auckland aiming
for high performance, so they're going for home star rating

(01:41:15):
that probably get to a passive rating. The walls actually
the floor, walls and ceiling were all constructed using formants
SIPs panels, so SIPs panels there. Joinery was all high
performance UPDC from Starks. The ambience range from Stark and
just before we arrived, I got up there a little
bit early to have a chat with the owners and

(01:41:36):
the builder and the architect Joe, and they were undertaking
a blower door test, which is essentially the house is
closed up, you seal any obvious penetrations and then you
pressurize the house and you can measure how much airflow
there is, whether it's leaking or gaining air and so
on and so forth, and ideally you want to try

(01:41:57):
and get that number down to about point four point
six something like that air exchanges per hour in order
to classify as high performance. They got down to about
zero point one four I think was one of their reasons,
which is amazing. But it also and watching the house
get pressurized and watching the blower door test and action

(01:42:18):
was really quite fascinating. But it did highlight for me
the importance of good quality joinery and it was really
amazing to see. And they had some sliders in that
house as well, which can often be a bit challenging
to get a good air seal. So even with the sliders,
because they're using the the ambience range from Stark, they're
getting really good performance. It was just a fascinating little

(01:42:40):
insight into that day. It's good day. Actually, it was
cool to see it. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Let's jump into the garden. Climb past is standing by
an eager as a beaver to get into the garden.
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