Full Show Podcast: 16 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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you're the.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
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you go around from the ones you love, your moms
scream broken plains appel in front of locals, wisperle when
they're going to leaving the house, even when wilbra Ben,

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even when you're.

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In their lone.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Very very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident
Builder on Sunday. You with me Pete off Camp the
Residence Builder and this is well it's your show. And
this was an effect that was highlighted by a couple
of people that spoke at the one hundred year celebrations,
which I was delighted to be invited to and to

(02:11):
be able to attend. That was z B turned one
hundred officially last weekend last Sunday. There's been a kind
of week of celebrations and then there was a little
bit of a shindig in Auckland for I suppose existing hosts,
previous hosts, a whole bunch of luminaries, a couple of
prime minister and a past prime minister and a deputy

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prime minister. So it was a bloody good event, to
be fair. But a number of the speakers, Heather and
Carey in particular, and Mike talking about the fact that
this show, this whole station exists because of you, and
certainly that's absolutely true for this show. So talk to

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me about what's going on at your place. We can
talk about the maintenance, we can talk about the I
had dinner with some friends last night. Again that whole
thing around there's just always work to do, and I
was sort of went out to dinner with a couple
of people last night after having spent another Saturday working

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on my house. And if you've got an older house,
that's probably what you spend most of your saturdays doing
as well. Because sure as eggs or eggs by the
time you've finished, it'll be time to do it again.
I wonder if owning an old house is a little
bit like painting the harbor bridge. You start from one end,
you work to the other, and then by the time

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you've got there, you just turn around and work your
way back again, saying that older houses have a certain
amount of charm and character, but they do require a
fair amount of work as well. So if you've got
an older house, a newer house, a house perhaps that
you'd like to change, old, extend or freshen up in
some way, or perhaps you're listening to all of these

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conversations people are having right now about better performing houses.
How do I make it warm, dry comfort? What can
I do to ensure that I'm not spending You know
that my power bill doesn't go through the roof in
winter time because all the heat that I'm generating inside
the house is simply trickling out round doors, windows, gaps

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and cracks and that sort of thing. What sorts of
things can you do about that? We've got plenty to
talk about this morning on the show. We'll take your
calls right through till eight thirty, and then, as always,
Red climb past will join us from eight thirty. We
will jump into the garden and talk everything about the
wonderful world of bugs.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
And so on.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Now I will keep one eye on the rugby, because
there is some rugby being played. At the moment the
all Blacks comfortably ahead, but Bulls have managed to score
converted try so seven points to twenty nine, just a
couple of minutes into the second half. I think we
are at the moment right. We'll keep an eye on
that as well. But this show is all about your place.

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It can be about materials, it can be about new
products and ideas. It can be around, as I say,
the idea that, well, what could I do to make
my house better? Not in the sense of, you know,
maybe a new tap or a new benchtop or something
like that. Those things are they have their place, but
I would argue that they are not as important as

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getting a house that's warm, dry, comfortable, getting a house
that's perhaps a little bit more energy efficient. So we
can talk about that. I'll tell you what I've been
up to this week a little bit later on. But
it didn't involve well, it was work, but not in
this country. Put it that way. I'll tell you about
that a bit later on, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
let's get amongst it. The lines are open. The number,

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Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty text machine is up
and running. That is nine two nine two or zbzib
from your mobile phone, and I will get into my
email in a minute. If you'd like to email me,
particularly if you've got a picture that you'd like to
attach to it, then email is the way to go.
It's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot M said it

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is twelve minutes after six eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Hello, stew.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Peter just springing up with a query about shingle tiles
on a roof.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Shingles as an old genuine old fashioned slate shingles or
modern ashvelt shingles.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
As felt ones that come up a strip like a
meta war are long boyee under y, So, Peter, I've
had a leak in our house and a top level
that's coming through into our lounge. So we've had the
assessment and so on. First question, should I replace my
plywood with treated plywood? And secondly, what's the difference between

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treated plywood and marine ply and The other one though,
is when the guys put the strips on, do they
need to glue the lower part of each of the
of the strips onto the new one they put on.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
If you have to stand what I mean, Yeah, I
do know what you mean.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
It's been a little while since I did a place
it would actually be twenty years ago where we sheath
the roof and plywood, and it doesn't need to be
treated interestingly enough, So treated ply is when it's designed
exposed to the elements, or perhaps under something like a
substrate for tiling that's not accessible. But typically sheathing for

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underneath ashfalt shingles doesn't, as best I unless the rules
have changed, doesn't necessarily need to be treated ply in
terms of like where I've seen them fix down the
lower edge of an ashfalt shingle is maybe where they
come up to possibly the ridge or come up to

(07:57):
an apron flashing and they don't have a full tile there,
and they'll use a bead of adhesive underneath just to
keep that lower edge down. But typically, as I recall
watching the guys install it back then, that they would
simply take the sheet lay it down to a stringline.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
So it's.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Basically plywood roofing underlay back then it was like a
black craft paper and then the ashfelt shingles over the top.
Go through with a coil nailer with a clout in
it and just nail across the top edge of the
sheet and then let the bottom edge sit down and
I think probably over time with a bit of heat,

(08:39):
they kind of adhere anyway. And certainly I've had no
dramas with that particular job in terms of identifying the leak.
Have you been able to figure that out or you
in the early stages.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
No, we're at an assurance says that he thinks he
knows where it's coming. So the guys are about to
take as soon as you get two fine days, take
off the old shin. So we're going to replace the
whole lot, because right the insurance guy said, hey, when
you do these past jobs a ongoing sale value, it's

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it looks looks terrible in a building, and speak would say, hey,
what's going on? Yeah, sure, so I understand it. I
got told that we either had to use marine ply
or tree the ply, and and not ply would so
there was one of the questions.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
But in the end, if you know, for example, if
the manufacturers have changed their specification or the contractor says, look,
this is in accordance with best practice, then you'd listen
to that, right, But it's it also makes for a
fairly big job because are they going to simply put

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treated ply over the top of your existing one or
are they going to remove all of the ply? Would
she thing?

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Now that the assess are recommended to take that we've
got on need to have a look. And there's quite
a bit of mold from obviously not mold sorry, water
stains on the the meath of the ply. Would in
the area these recommended for again but manly for ongoing
sour value to probably do the whole lot, to hold
one side off and replace it. Because he said, if

(10:18):
I was checking your house out for it for a sale,
I'd be thinking it up sort of the spar and
patched and so. But I looked the price to its
look you mangus like a she'd applies too and thirty
four dollars.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, and he used to we'd probably.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Gonna need about twenty apply twenty odd sheets.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
So although I think typically it's like a seventeen and
a half mil pla it doesn't have to be much
thicker than that.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, a milis saying, so, yeah, yeah, that's correct. Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Look, it's also one of those things where you know,
obviously you've got a pretty good relationship with your insurer.
They're doing the right thing in terms of sending out
the assessor and his comments about you know, if I
poked my head into your attic and saw some water
marks and some staining, then yes, it sets off alarm.
And even if the owner says, yet, don't worry, we've

(11:08):
had that leak repaired, there is always a sense of doubt, right,
So if they're prepared to remove that, and I mean, look,
someone else might look at it later on and go, gosh,
I noticed that there's some new plywood and some older plywood.
I wonder if there was a problem. But at least
then you can say, yes, there was a problem, full disclosure.
But we've done the repair, and we've done it to

(11:30):
a really really good standard, including removing any plywood that
might have been impacted by water ingress.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
So yeah, it was just that we're when to look
at classmer roof, that lower edge of the shingle tile
is actually not glued down, and when you get the
strong winds right, you can actually see the tile slightly lifting. Yes, wonderful.
What if it's under there as well? Or that's why
the question read the do they glue that lower edge

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all the way around?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Would be interesting to talk with the installers the asphalt
team when they arrive and just go, look, this is
what i've noticed in a reasonably high wind zone. Is
it okay for me to use, like there'll be a
very specific type of adhesive and maybe just lift the
bottom of each tile or each section of a sheet

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and just put a dab of sealant adhesive in there,
press it down and then stop that. Also where it
runs into the gutter, typically there's like a little metal
molding that runs over the edge of the plywood. Okay,
so that's that's there. Sometimes they do use either some
sealant or some double sided tape just to keep that
edge down because obviously that's where wind is because you'll

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have the shingle extending past that little metal strip a
little bit, and that will create a little lip which
will allow the wind to catch it there.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Oh yep, got chay.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
And so at the stage you're looking at doing a
repair to a No, you're the repair is going to
be to remove all of the ashfout shingle yes on
one side. Okay, that's it's a twenty three.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Year old house started to break down quite a bit
that you see at the people get inside the jata. Yeah,
we're in tent as well. So yeah, that's the other
reason we thought we'd do the whole side. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's an interesting thing because I mean it's not terribly common.
And the house that I was building was two thousand
and six, two thousand and seven, so, you know, not
a dissimilar age to the one that you're in. And
sometimes I watch sort of you know videos from America
where they use asphalt shingles quite a lot, and you'll
often see either multiple layers where the roof has reached

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end of life and the contractors just come through and
laid over the top, which apparently is not best practice,
or they come and strip the roof exposed the ply
would redo the vapor barrier that the roofing underlay and
redo the shingles. Have you considered, given that you're at
twenty three years and that there will be an end
of life element to them is to go gosh, I

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wonder whether insurance is paying for half of it. Do you,
you know, dip into your pocket and do the rest.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Durance won't pay for the into the external roof thing
because they said it wasn't damned by ununderstandably.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
But if you've already got a team on site and
they're working on one half of the roof, you know,
I'm not well in a in a tight economy. Of course,
I'm excited about the thought that you might spend some
more money, But at the same time, you know, is
it I suppose you'd have to look at it and go,
is there a benefit for me long term to then

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take advantage of the fact that I've got the contractors here,
I can negotiate whatever extras and variation to the contract
and have them do the whole of the roof.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, the guy to check the other side of these
I've got. When the guy head look at he said,
the other side of your roof is actually still very good. O.
Your shingles haven't really broken away. But the other side
your your your wet side, your gig side. Yeah, sure
doesn't get the stand like now, so he said, you
have a side, Yes, you're pretty good but again my

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warriors will stand out obviously with the brand new shingle
on so and you can't water blast the stuff, you
can't spake water or just can eat your water. So
so we are getting one whole side done. It won't
be better to have so that's course.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
It'd be really interesting to talk to the contractors when
they're actually up there to say, hey, look, you know,
is it is it a clearly identifiable leak. Is there
a point that you can go that's the problem, or
do they go you know, or gee, I'm not sure
where it is, but let's hope that we've fixed it.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, I've got on need of mark where has
all been driven into the male holes? And so I
hope you they'll find something so.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Awesome, they hope it goes well. They all of this
in the inevitable text, I would advise that guy to
pay the difference and do the other half. Well yeah,
I mean, look, I probably would, particularly at twenty three years,
it's got to be pretty close to not quite end
of life, as in it'll fail, but at some stage

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you can have to do some repairs or replacements to it.
Another quick text before the break morning, we're taking out
a mortgage for a new build, the bank needs a
contract with a twelve month completion date two CCC. What
happens if it's not built by then? Is twelve months realistic?
Three bedroom architectural house, flat site three man teen I

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would say that it's realistic once the consent has been issued.
You know, if it's three beds architectural, it might be
two hundred square meters on a flat site, so there's
not a lot of geotech. There's not a lot of
engineering in terms of retaining walls or having to come
a long way out of the ground. I would have

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thought that twelve months is quite realistic, but that would
be from when the consent is issued, or ideally from
when the contractor starts on site, because I know things
aren't terribly busy, but most contractors wouldn't have a team
available to start the day after the consent pops out.

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There'll be other sort of sight enabling, but some pieces.
So I think if you said, hey, from the day
that the digger arrives to scrap the top soil off
is when I'll be I could start the twelve month clock.
I think that's realistic. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Send you text nine two nine
two is EDBZB or better still call eight hundred eighty

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ten eighty and as I said to you, more than
welcome to email. It's Pete atnewstorksb dot CO dot MZ.
But the number right now, and we've got a spare
line for you, is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Keeping
one eye on the footy on the rugby, it is
thirty six twelve, so the bulls well, not quite closing
the gap, but at least they're touching down. It is

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twenty four minutes after six.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
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Speaker 4 (18:21):
There'd be right, he oh, we have some spare lines.
So if you've got a question of a building nature
a little bit similar to Phil who's going okay, I've
had a leak, The insurers are prepared to come along.
What are some of the issues, What are some of
the concerns around how to manage the repair? Do I
do more than what I'm being paid for out of
my insurance policy? We can talk about that, and it's

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it's also that thing that most building elements to some
degree have a life span, in which case, you know,
it's reasonable to expect our rules. And I think sometimes
just on this people freak out of it when they
hear things like a fifteen year warranty on the roofing iron,
for example, and or a fifteen year requirement in the

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Building Code, that that's how long it's expected to last,
and kind of joining the dots, you might go, Okay,
does that mean that my roof is only going to
last fifteen years? And in which case that doesn't seem
like an awfully long time. And I don't know that
I necessarily want to have to replace my roof every
fifteen years. There's a very clear distinction between mandatory requirements

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within the Building Code and what a product might actually
last for. So the requirement, and you might argue that
that doesn't seem like an awfully long time, is that
within the Building Act and then therefore through the Building Code. Roofs,
for example, must have a minimum durability of fifteen years.
It's not saying that they won't last longer. It's just

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saying that's the minimum amount of time, structures, the actual
upright part of our buildings, have a requirement to last
for at least fifty years, and you kind of go, well,
hang on, if the cladding's only expected or the roof
is only expected to last fifteen years, how can my
structure last for fifty years if my roof is failing

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and potentially leading water in, which does become an interesting
sort of question. So very and I mean there's plenty of, jeez,
I've taken off iron roofs that would have to be
fifty or sixty years old, possibly even a little bit older.
They're certainly well beyond their useful life by that time,

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but it's not saying that they won't survive that long.
And obviously maintenance is a very big part of ensuring
their durability as well. So you may have some questions
around that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call a couple of people of text,
and just with regard to the shingles. So we've got
those shingles, they're thirty years old, and the wind lifts
the tiles. I wonder whether now that we're a little

(20:56):
bit more nuanced in terms of wind zone, so whenever
you submit a building or a plan for a building consent.
There are different wind zones identified across the country, so
depending on where you happen to be and your type
of exposure, the building will need to be built to,
I suppose resist the wind that is expected and that

(21:19):
they know happens in that area, so that you might
find that you have to have additional bracing or additional
hold downs, or some types of roofing might be more suitable,
et cetera, et cetera, or eves and those sorts of
things depending on the wind zone. And that's something that's
become a bit more nuanced over the years, and whether

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or not today with knowing what we know and the
ability to model the location and the potential wind zone,
there might be a different way of fixing down those
ashflch shingles, which are literally an ashflch strip about four
hundred I think long. They're lapped over three times and
that bottom lip if the wind got under it could

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peel up. Then it's held down by the ones above
it as well. In some cases I've seen like a
double sided tape which is on the underside, so the
installer peels off the backing tape drops the sheet down,
and then that double sided tape acts to adhere the
lower edge to the tile below it, or to the
strip of ashfelt shingle below. Your thoughts are welcome. Oh

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eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call
quick text as well. I've bought a nineteen eighties house.
It's brick. Most of the plumbing goes under the house,
the hot water cylinder too, but there is no access
to get under the house if something goes wrong. What's
the solution? It has a concrete floor as well. Can
I presume by that that it's if it's a nineteen

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eighty house and it's brick, that the concrete floor is
laid directly onto the ground, so it's not like a
suspended concrete floor for some reason, or if it had
a block wall around the perimeter and then a timber floor.
The hot water so plumbing for the hot water cylinder
is possibly in the slab. There is no access to

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get underneath the house because it's sitting on the ground.
What happens if something goes wrong. Basically, something goes wrong,
you're cutting up the floor. It's as simple as that.
Chances are all of the pipework is while it might
be sleeved to ensure it's not in contact with the concrete,
it's not in a sleeve. Let's say that would mean

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that you could draw it back. So the reality is
if something goes wrong, if a pipe starts to leak
in the slab, you're cutting up the slab, as simple
as that. Unfortunately, we'll take a break in just a
moment and have a chat with Die. But I also
wanted to comment, I guess on a little bit of
news this week. It was hard to ignore all of

(23:54):
the talk at the beginning of the week about rumors
of a leadership change in National then Chris Luxon calling
an emergency caucus meeting in Wellington that was set down
for When was it Tuesday? I think it was. I
actually flew out of the country. I was up in
Fiji for a couple of days and as I checked

(24:18):
my phone from time to time. The outcome, of course,
is that Chris Luxton remains the leader of the National
Party and hence the Prime Minister. But Chris penk in
the wash up has been removed from his portfolios. He
held a number of portfolios. The one most pertinent to
this show was the Building and Construction minister, which he'd

(24:39):
been since the government was formed almost three years ago.
I suppose there is the politics, and there's the whole
thing around party discipline and caucus and being responsible for
your actions. But I very quickly picked up a very
strong sentiment from the sector, let's say, from the construction sector,

(25:02):
that his removal as a minister, it's not like I think.
What it is is everyone thought that he was possibly
the best building and construction minister we've had in a
long time. I've been doing the show for twelve years.

(25:23):
I've interviewed over the years a number of different building
and construction ministers. Some were okay, some were a long
way from okay. In my opinion, he has been outstanding.
I think he's taken to the role with real insight,
with real determination to try and fix some things in

(25:47):
the construction sector. I think he's been a real driver
in terms of saying, hey, we want to do something
around consenting. We want to do something around potentially bringing
and building products from overseas without necessarily having to go
through compliance in New Zealand, which is an advantage and

(26:07):
probably the most significant change that it seems like he's
championed has been the change from joint in several liability
to proportional liability. He had tremendous support from the sector
because he was engaged and turned up. And I've been
to any number of events. On one occasion actually to

(26:27):
a three D printed factory where they're printing houses using
a three D printer or housing components out in a
paddock out beside the Hamilton Airport, and I went out
for an open day and sure enough he was there
as well. To be fair, so was Areena Williams from Labor,
but they were both took the time to be there.
The couple of times that he's come into the studio,

(26:48):
I found him incredibly personable. And the sentiment that I'm
picking up and it kind of would be mine too,
is that parties can have their own politics, but as
a country we deserve good representation and he was a
good one. And so in my humble opinion, it's sad
to see him lose that portfolio, and it's a genuine

(27:08):
loss to the sector that needs good people to be
the minister, and he was one of them.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
We'll come back after the break fixing what they forgot
to mention on that YouTube video the resident building with
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Speaker 2 (27:27):
Call oh, eight hundred eighty news talks, there'd be.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Your news talks. It'd been a six thirty nine quick
look at the rugby that's on all blacks, forty three bulls,
twelve points at just under just over ten minutes to go. Die,
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Oh hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (27:50):
Yeah, I found you. I would have been at the
end of last year about November, a level warraw and yeah,
I was trying to work through different options for a
new beld right, and here I am a newly the
other end of it.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Awesome to Ryan though.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
So the house has been constructed having been able to
get caught a compliance because I have not been able
to get power connected and have been trying to get
power connected for six months. And what's really frustrating is
that I actually had a toby put in place next

(28:31):
to the house site. My husband and I had a
three phase underground power connection. One phase went across to
our neighbors, one went up to a studio, and then
the third one was left to connect to the house.
And I've got a WI coming out of the house,

(28:53):
and I've got a spare port in the toby to connect,
but cannot get anyone to come.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
And do it.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Surely that's a that's Victor's job, and that typically it's
victor that comes or your line.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
Supposed.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah, it's been My electricians been in contact with the
line companies send endless, endless emails. First of all, they
denied the existence of the toby, right and you know,
and you know in their defense, but you know, just circumstance,

(29:34):
I do recall when the electricians come in and put
in you know, I've done all the underground because I'm
going to dig up. Yeah, they grown up twice. So
when we did all that, and he gave us some paperwork,
and he did tell me to keep it somewhere safe.
He probably emailed to my husband, but my husband passed

(29:57):
away in February though, Yeah, so he had count for
seven years. But it has, yeah, and it has made
it really difficult to try and find the paperwork.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
I just I just want someone I can actually talk to,
not email.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
I just don't know who to go to the advocate
for me, or to point in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I mean, typically the electrician that you've got. Are they
also a electrical inspector?

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Maybe not?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
So what I've found is past because you know, when
we're doing sort of new builds, I was often involved
with that infrastructure side of things, right, so I tend
to end up finding the contractor who was doing the
services to the house would have kind of a direct
line to the lines company, but they were often an

(30:58):
electrical inspector. So I just wonder whether if you ask around,
possibly ask around, because as your house the only new
build in your area.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yeah, no, I mean there's been quite a few new
bills put in wildl and they've been groups of houses
that angiers, really nice houses I have I had, sorry people.
I have heard of another house in town that had
been cut off had some major reparatory work done, and

(31:30):
they also have been waiting six months to be connected.
And I do know the gentle buzzy electrician. Yes, he
obviously was the inspector because I know that he has
the link with the Liken But apparently he is so busy.
I've tried texting him to ask him to email me
or forward me the paperwork that I could pass on

(31:52):
to my electrician.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
But yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I mean like there's an illogical parts of this as well,
because you would have thought that the lines company want
to get you connected because then you're a customer and
you're start paying them, right, they're not making any money
off you if you can't use their power. Look, I
would have a hunt around for an electrical inspector. Maybe
go and have a chat with a neighbor or someone

(32:19):
in the area who's recently completed a build and just
see who they used. And then kind of by getting
a local contact you might find that you'll get a
bit quicker. The other thought I had is, if you've
already got power to the studio or something like that,
could you take that power and divert it to the house,

(32:42):
because if you've got a spare for that, and then
sort out the.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Studio later, the studios would he connected. So but I
think what I wanted to do was to stop having
too again. They gets thing up again to put a
new that's why that lines down there to the house,
you know what I mean, We go into the council
to let them know or not please.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Council don't really have much to do with the lines
company as such. But I mean the other thing is
maybe the person that drew the plans for you, whether
that's an architect or an architectural designer, might have a
contact or something like that. You know, if they're doing
other new builds, they'll be familiar with the process of

(33:30):
getting the power connected. But I think in the first instance,
I would try and find a local either electrical inspector
or In my experience, what we've done is we've used
kind of like specialist contractors who do connections, who tend
to have a pathway into the lines companies to do

(33:51):
those connections because they're dealing with them on a daily basis.
That seems to be the best way.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
Why is this so highly contracted though?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Look, I find it staggering as well. I mean, it
just shouldn't be that. I can't understand why they aren't
coming to sort that out for you.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
I'm battled because you having provided a toobeating that the
builders will be able to draw from that, you know,
so they've had to do the whole belt with no
access to power, and let's just just lead ludicrous.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
My senses to try with the electrical inspector and go
from there. All the best you die and all of yeah,
good luck, with that and please let us know how
you get on.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It is six forty six, turning Ohs into she'd be
right the resident builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building
Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Call eight hundred eighty eight news Dogs.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
There'd be a couple of suggestions for Die, including someone
who might be able to help out. So possibly Die
if you give us a call back and we'll we'll
put you in touch. And then this one, this is
the classic. Hey Pete, I've had to pull down some
down lights from the sea. I have damaged the edge
of the ceiling jib. How best to repair? Which is

(35:12):
a fairly typical question, except the question goes a little
bit longer. How best to repair before my wife comes home?
That changes the entire scope of the job, doesn't it,
cheers from Dave.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Dave.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
What I would suggest is actually have a hunt around.
In some cases you can actually buy little pre made
flanges that just widen the flange of your existing down light,
because repairing that broken edge would require a little bit
of stopping compound, then a little bit of a touch up.
Chances are you don't have the paint, in which case
you're in the same boat as me. You didn't write

(35:45):
down the color of the paint that you used, in
which case you've got to try and guess the color
of the paint or have it matched. Then you've got
to paint it. And then the old paint is a
little bit worn, in which case it looks a bit
different to the new paint. It just becomes what seems
like a really simple job, Actually it's quite complicated. So
have a look around for a little flange that will
just basically make a wider cover for that little bit

(36:09):
of damage that's on the head. I feel you pain.
I'll tell you a door. But later on Graham, Good
morning to you.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Yeah, good morning, how are you?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, very well?

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Good Look.

Speaker 11 (36:20):
We're looking embarking on a build in the Waikato, and
we are looking at precast concrete insulated panels two hundred
and ninety millimeters stick with a feature casting of grain
on the out on the outside, but on the so
they would face the western side of the home and

(36:46):
the entrance way to it. It's on a fairly large
block of five meters so. But on the other sides
we're looking at sip paneling, and and I'm just trying
to get in my head how those two work together
with one being very large therm or mass and one

(37:06):
you know, not so lage thermal mass, and how they
would react together being you know, we're trying to sort
of not go a passive home, but to go to
something close.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Okay, fantastic question, I guess I would say whoever you're
talking to in terms of the design, if they're familiar
with either high performance builds or with passive house design principles,
they should also be very familiar with modeling, in which

(37:43):
case they can actually create for you a digital model
of your house and run it through. It might be
a Woofy program or a similar program. Echo is the
one that I think Green Building Council use, and they
will be able to model the performance of that house,
including being able to model the performance of your individual

(38:04):
wall sections. So sometimes with sort of mass timber construction
or mass concrete construction, if you're going for a precast panel,
the challenges where does the condensation sit, where is the
due point in that wall, and how do you ensure
that inside stays nice and dry and that you keep

(38:24):
your moisture to the outside, given that you don't have
necessarily a vapor barrier, But I think I would in
the first instance, go back to your designer and go
who's going to do the modeling and can we literally
see the modeling in action and then work out do
we need to tweak some performance elements to the building

(38:47):
in order to address issues around condensation or vapor control
or I mean, expansion is not going to be an issue. Interesting,
do you want to mix up the two methodologies? You
want that feature of the form faced concrete as sort

(39:08):
of a design feature, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (39:10):
We do, and we want we have even sort of
thought of changing the design and maybe just the houses
are three hundred and fifty eight squares, but one hundred
of it is garaging and it's quite high. The face,
the west face is like five point one five meters high,
so and the roof of button behind it. But my

(39:31):
issue was, and it's to be fair, it's the issue
of it's the concern of you know, not only builders
that I have spoken to, but to say, foremance panels,
and that is we have to get the joint right,
you know, where it joins, where those roof panels of
the SIPs join the concrete. Because as you mentioned that

(39:51):
you don't want any condensation going on. So so I've
even sort of thought of, what do we just change
the keep the garage part which still gives us the
look and the feel, and then going to a full
SIPs house on the other side of that, and having
almost treating them as two different.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
With you, particularly if you know it's like the garage
is obviously attached the house, so you don't want it
to be you don't want it to be separate, but
you could treat it slightly separately because it's not part
of your habitable space, right as long as you fully
insulate the division between the garage space in your house

(40:34):
to keep because you're obviously wanting some performance element to it,
that's why you're going with the formance SIPs panels. I
take it you'll go for some good quality, you know,
performance joinery. Oh yeah, for what it's worth. I hope
that ambience is part of that discussion that you'd be
looking at at uPVC there. And but I think just

(40:58):
because we are going to crash into the news in
a minute, I think that you're it's actually a slightly
more nuanced response than i'd like to given fifteen seconds,
Can you hold on and we'll wrap this up just
after the news because I think there's there's a whole
bunch of really interesting issues in your design process, so

(41:19):
we'll pick up on that after the news. Thanks Graham,
Just hold on there for a bit mate, Your News
Talks CB. Yes, we will be back straight off to
New Sport and where the top of there are at
seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Loves helping you finish that fibe, but it fixed. You
started the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies.
The future of Kiwi building today call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Youth TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Your News Talks c B. We're right back into it
in a try and stay a little bit objective with
this conversation, but I personally, professionally find it a really
fascinating one. So bear with me a moment. I know
this sounds a bit murky, but we'll we'll work our
way through it. Graham, good morning. Thank you for hanging on.

(42:06):
So just in case people are joining us now. So
you're in a situation where you are about to build.
You've got a decent piece of land, you want to
build a decent sized house with the most exciting thing
for me a really good sized garage. I think that
if you're building three hundred square meets you've got one
hundred square meters of garage, that's about the right proportion.
You know, a third of the house should be a garage.
So I'm excited about that. And then you're also wanting

(42:29):
to build a house obviously that is better than code minimum.
So you're thinking about things like zips panels from performants,
you're thinking about some concrete walls, you're thinking about some
high performance joinery, and then there's kind of more detailed
questions around how will those two elements work together.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
And so on.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
So what I'm I suppose there is a subtext to
my response to you, which is around I think that
as a sector, we have a bit of a challenge
around design of buildings and design of buildings that's being
done in part by people that don't either understand performance

(43:16):
or don't care about it, or don't know enough about
it to incorporate it into their designs. And I've mentioned
this at a conference the other day. And while it's
an uncomfortable thing for designers to hear, and whether that's
architectural designers, LBP designers, architects. You know, you can't deny

(43:41):
the fact that as a as a sector, we're seeing
buildings being built that have little to know awareness of
performance in them. So that's kind of the background that
I'm coming from. So I'm listening to you talk about
how do I ensure that I've got you know, good
moisture control, that I understand where the due point's going

(44:03):
to be, that sort of thing. All of that I
think you can do with modeling. So I suppose what
I'm saying is, if you've got a designer who's familiar
with modeling or understands that modeling is really really important
before you go and build a house, you can literally
solve most of those problems beforehand in the same way

(44:25):
that actually I might catch up with them in christ
Church next month. There are now the ability to take
your drawings, do a complete like three D build, and
work through all of those junctions right to see how
they're actually going to work. This is did you build?

(44:46):
So you know, I mean I just think, yeah, did
you build? In christ Church? It's Johann Betts runs did
you build? I mean, the thing is like right now
with the technology that's out there, So for example, and
I went and did an introductory course, well a one
introduction to energy modeling. Right, So it's a vastly complicated

(45:12):
and complex undertaking, and there is a real science to it.
So I just wanted to get some insight into it.
And the insight that I got is that I'm never
going to be able to do it. But it is
out there, and it seems to me foolish that we're
not taking advantage of the fact that you can predict
how your building's going to perform before you start building it,

(45:35):
and so you can see things like shading, the potential
for overheating, the potential for energy loss through great big
steel beam that goes around your windows. So you put
in really good quality joinery with really good high performance glass,
and then you've got this massive thermal break around it,
and you see this all of the time. And I've

(45:57):
got to be really blunt. It comes back to the designers,
either deliberately or just through lack of interest. Yeah, yeah,
designing things that are going to perform poorly.

Speaker 11 (46:11):
We'll see. This started out as basically saying, well, okay,
we like the look of the concrete. We we have
an apartment at the moment we've sold our home. We
have an apartment fortunately that isn't build slab. It's non insulated,
but it's strapped and it's a good place to live in.

(46:33):
But the two hundred and ninety mili thick panels worth
seventy five mili closed cell styrene in the middle, it
has got our value of pushing three, you know, so
it's not too bad. But we went into a SIPs
house and it was markedly different. And the because we've

(46:56):
got so much, you know, we're going to have a
polished concrete floor. So that's the fernal mass for the SIPs,
you know, modeling, but it's also the fermal mass for
you know, a concrete house. And when I look at
the pricing of the chilt slab panels and the pricing
of the SIPs, SIPs is cheaper, but it's not cheaper

(47:18):
by very much. And you look at it and you think,
do I go all concrete and go traditional heavy insulation
in the roof, or do I actually minimize the concrete
part of it to get the look and feel that
we want as your driver and to give also heightened
the garage because as you say, you need the garage

(47:40):
needs to be to be a decent size, and you
know you've got ways you.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
And I think the garages need to be a decent size.
Other people might have a different opinion, but I'm with
you on that.

Speaker 11 (47:50):
Yeah, I'd be happy with two sers garage, but.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
To be fair, that's kind of the metric that I
would apply to, but it's not just up to us. Look,
I would love to chat about this for a lot longer,
but I think that if I was in your situation,
and I might actually be shortly, I would be making
sure that the person that I'm talking to in terms
of design is very familiar with modeling, the concepts behind it,

(48:17):
and has access to the modeling because the modeling is
out there and the insights that it generates for how
your building's actually going to perform is phenomenal.

Speaker 11 (48:28):
Right, where the problem lies. I think that the architect
that I've used does not have that skill, you know,
and so that might be where I need to make
the change now, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
So that's a very big call, and i'm certainly you know,
I'm If you're listening to this, I want you to
know that I'm incredibly respectful of designers and architectural designers
and architects and so on. But you can't ignore the
fact that right now we are seeing buildings that are

(49:01):
designed by people that seem to not care about how
they perform. Because if someone comes home from there, you know,
into the three story lock up or walk up in
Coumu and it's forty degrees inside the top floor, that's design, right,

(49:22):
that's a lack of awareness about design. So for you
looking at the nuances of how you want your building
to perform, you're thinking about, you know, it's energy usage.
You're thinking about air tightness obviously, because if you're going
with the SIPs panels and if you're going for the
uPVC joinery, you're going to achieve that and then you're going, Okay,
So my designer, even if it's not their thing, they

(49:46):
need to be aware of it.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
Well, the last thing I want is the building to
It would be easy to overheat a SIPs building, and
that's why I decided to probably take away the concrete
wall structure on the house itself and just leave it
for on the garage because it's quite an underst face.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah, absolutely, no, no, I get that, and I look,
I've done walls, you know, that are form faced and
it looks awesome right and it'll give you some of
that height, and I get wanting.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
To use it.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I suppose at the risk group PEM it's all about
the modeling. I think you've got to sit down with
your designer and go okay, at this point, do I
have enough information to go and do some modeling. There
are some there are some very good people in the
Waycuddo who will do that modeling with you or for you.
And and actually I bumped into a really good builder

(50:39):
around Cambridgeway the other day who's again you know, it's
finding then a builder that's also interested in producing a
high performance house. So it's a very very exciting journey
that you're on. And you know, the opportunity to create
something really special is vast.

Speaker 11 (50:56):
So I think something that's low energy and as you know,
you can run at twenty degrees, you know, all day
without doing hardly anything, and and it still makes sense.
It makes sense to build it like that can't make sense.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Afterwards.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, hate great conversation and stay in touch. Just know
how you get on cool.

Speaker 8 (51:19):
I asked you one question before you go super quick?

Speaker 11 (51:23):
Okay upc Joinery. I hadn't thought about it, but it's
do you is it worth looking at?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yes? Now I also declare an interest I act as
a brand investor for Ambience, So that's Stark's range of
U PVC Jowery. But everything that I've seen, every house
that was and why can I two or three weeks
ago looking at Flexi Home frank house building that had
the Ambience high performance joinery in it with just the

(51:52):
structure up and the outside cladding on. They were already
achieving point four six air exchanges when they did a
blower door test, right, So a lot of that is
about the quality of the jowinery. So yes, I would
definitely have a look at Ambience.

Speaker 11 (52:05):
Okay, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
My pleasure, nice to chat with you. Take care you
see then, But or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It's there's a lot to unpack in that conversation. And
I've said this a couple of times, and I say
it with caution, but I think we can't ignore the
fact right now that buildings are being designed in some cases,

(52:30):
not all cases, but in some cases by people that
either don't know or don't care about performance. And I
think it's a genuine like it's it's now highlighted as
a missing link from concept to execution that it's it
breaks down at design stage. That's going to change a

(52:53):
little bit incrementally because you can't use the schedule method
anymore for determining the energy usage for the building or
the energy requirements for the building. So h one, you
can't just do a tech box approach, go to the
three six O four and go oh good, I'm in
such and such a zone. I'm going to tick that box.
So the schedule method's gone. Calculation and modeling are the

(53:16):
only two pathways to performance calculations. Okay, modeling is better.
We'll come back in just a moment. It is eighteen
minutes after seven where Diy gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Call eight the resident builder with Peter Wolfcam and Independent
Building supplies the Future of Kiwi Building.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Today News TALKSB, Your News Talks B. It is seven
twenty one and now before the news we talked to
Die who was having issues in terms of getting a
power connection to a house. Lou Female has text through
to say, look hubbies and electrician kind of in that area.

(54:01):
If you'd like to phone through or text me to
contact detail I can put you guys together if there's
any way that you could help out there. Another quick text.
Good morning, We're renovating a nineteen forties house and want
to match the internal doors. Where should I go to
buy new or source from second hand? I think in
the first instance, I would be inclined to go and

(54:23):
see if you can find some second hand. They're probably
of a relatively common style. I'm guessing that it's probably
a door with two long vertical panels, then a mid
rail and then a top square. You might be able
to find some of those in demolition yards around the place. Otherwise,
if you go to a convention to a traditional timber joiner,

(54:44):
they'll be able to take a door in. They'll be
able to match it. But there's a bit of work
in them, and that certainly won't be a cheap option
to be able to match them. But no reason why
you couldn't get almost an identical match for those nineteen
forties doors. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call Warick. Good morning, good morning. Please
are you very well yourself?

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (55:06):
Good, thank you. My wife and I've got a well
Our house is nearly one hundred years old. Yep, it's
weather board. We've got good insulation in the ceiling and
we've got good insulation under the floor. Yes, I'm wanting
to know from you, what could we put in the
walls to I just feel aneath the walls.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Do it as well?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean you will get an enormous
amount of heat loss out through the walls. In the
first instance, I would say my preferred option, let's put
it that way, would be to remove the internal linings,
to install a vapor barrier, maybe a drainage cavity against

(55:49):
the back of the weatherboards, because there'll be no building
paper right on there, and then put in some insulation.
My preference for those things is are ones that don't
hold moisture, so autex green stuff or something like that,
and then red line. That's obviously quite a big job
in the sense that you've got to take skirtings and

(56:10):
scotchas off, remove all linings. You need a building consent
for that work as well, but I think that that's
if you plan on being there for a while or
it's part of another renovation, I think that's the best
way to do it. And if you have a look
at some of the brand's guides, you'll find some really

(56:31):
good information about the process involved in retrofitting insulation. There
are obviously some injected and blowing systems as well, and
I've spoken with them. They seem to have developed systems
that are hydrophobic. So one of the issues is essentially,

(56:53):
right now, your house, similar to mine, if there's no
insulation in the walls, if a bit of moisture gets
in round windows, through weather boards, that sort of thing,
it will dry out. So the concern is that if
we pack that space full of insulation and we don't
control the vapor and the moisture, you might end up

(57:14):
with your insulation getting wet, and then that then can
provide grounds for mold growth and dampness and so on
and so forth. So there's a very good reason that
governments still require building consent for retrofitting insulation. It also
says you've got to do it so that you're managing
all of those risks. So that's where I'm saying, you know,

(57:36):
if you to do drainage cavity some paper, tape up
as many of the gaps and cracks as you can,
then install the insulation, that's good process. Some of the
other ones. Now, so if you decide to go through
and go for an injected system, whether that's a phone
based one or a fiber based one, that the person

(57:58):
doing that work still needs to provide you with evidence
that they've complied with the building code and that in
some cases they have like a pathway through to compliance
from counsel. So they'll have a system, they'll go to
counsel and go this is our system, and counsel go, yep,

(58:18):
we understand the system. Here's your building consent, but you
must have evidence that it complies with the code and
that it's been accepted by counsel and has a building consent.
If anyone comes to you and goes, oh, we've got
a system and you don't need a consent, I wouldn't trust.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
That, right, Oh, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah, no, no, my pleasure. And certainly it's worth doing.
Right if you're there for a while, you know there
will be a tremendous amount of heat loss through your walls.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
Thank you so much, my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Nice chatting with you all the best, Okay, take care
by by then, search for these modeling companies? What do
I search for? That's a very good question. Shivers.

Speaker 9 (59:06):
See.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I wonder whether if you had a look at the
Passive House Institute website, I'm sure they've got some people
that do modeling there. If you have a look at
the Green Building Council's website, they will have people that
do energy modeling, so that these are people that have
done the Home Star Practitioners course or the Energy Modeling course.

(59:26):
I'd start there Passive House or that, and also just
do a search who does energy modeling there's It used
to be one of those things. It felt like it
was a dark art practiced by a small number of
initiates in secret ten years ago. Now, thankfully it's much
more common and many more people are doing it, and

(59:48):
it's much more accessible, so you could always let me
know which part of the country you're in. Not that
they need to be anywhere, because in the end it's digital, right,
So it's good luck with that. But there should be
heaps of people out there. Question is why, says this Texter.
Should there be more auditing of individual builders to try
and standards. If what you're saying is because we're getting

(01:00:10):
buildings that perform poorly, that's the builder's fault. I'm not
sure that that's always the case. I think in some case,
if it's a poorly designed building, it's going to perform poorly,
regardless of the builder's ability. Is it the builder's job
to say I don't think this is going to be
a good building. Yeah, if they've got some insight, they

(01:00:31):
could say it. But ultimately we're not responsible for the design.
Our job as LBPS is to build what's on the plan.
If the plan is poor and poorly thought out, then
we're just going to build what's there. That's our job
as LBPS. It's not our job to design buildings with
respect and look, I think what to your point is

(01:00:55):
they're going to be more auditing. Well, in a de
facto sense there will be once mandatory home warranties come
into play. Plenty of discussion about that at the moment.
That's what due for introduction by September of next year. Again,
this was something that was very much driven by Chris
Pink when he was the minister. I really hope that

(01:01:17):
some of those are some of those issues that he
pushed and some of the work that he doesn't sort
of go off the boil without him at the helm.
As my genuine concern, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the number to call. I think we need to take
a break.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Then we'll talk to Doug Measure twice. Call once on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
News Talks there B you and News Talks there B.
It is seven eighty two and Doug a very good
morning to you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
Good morning, Pete. I'm just wondering whether you can help
me out. We've got an open deck at the back
of our properties. It's only about twelve to sixteen square
meters is the tiled and the groud around it. I'm
just wondering if you know of a clear seiler that
we could brush on and roll on over the tiles,

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just to well one to sort of water both the ground,
reduce heat and perhaps reduce slippage.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Look, I would just say head on down to tile Space,
go round the back to the trade desk and have
a chat with someone there. So tile Space, it's quite
there are always interesting stores, so you go in there's
all the beautiful tiles, but then all the technical stuff
has kind of tucked around the back. So I would
I would just shoot in there, explain what it is

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that you want to do, and they'll have a range
of sealers and so on that you could do. Whether
or not you can increase the slip resistance coefficient by
adding a clear ceilant over the top of the tile,
I'm not sure, but again, have a chat with the
tile space team that they should be able to sort

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that out for you. I'm just curious the tiles. Are
they on a waterproof substrate on timber and over a
habitable space, or it is just tiles outside.

Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
They're over a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
It's a.

Speaker 10 (01:03:30):
Ceiling material, right, timber underneath underneath is an open space,
but it's the ceiling underneath is you know, all closed
and can't actually look up underneath to see sea woods
like this, so it's it's reasonally modern house and it's
just it's what about twelve forty years old, and it's

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it's never leaked ring them like that, so it's okay.
But it's in the sun the old time, and you
know you've got really were your jendles outside in the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Right Yeah, I see. I'm not if it's as a
relatively dark colored tile or just any tile will heat
up in the sun. Won't it.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
Yes, well, yes, it's no. The tiles are not that
dark okay, sort of sam color.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Yeah, yeah, just because the heat is coming from the
tile and the color, and I'm not sure that putting
a clear sealer over the top is going to do
much to prevent that. But again, I would just head
on down to local tile space, have a chat with them,
explain what it is they want to do. There're, you know,
a thorough clean and then application of that. And because

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I would imagine too ten to fifteen years ago, they
probably would have used a sementitious based grout as opposed
to an epoxy grout that you would use today. And
that simultitious grout will allow a little bit of moisture
in and when that moisture goes in, it also tends
to allow mold growth and mildew and those sorts of
things to grow there. So cleaning that and then putting

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a clear cela over that will actually be a real benefit.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 10 (01:05:07):
I haven't done a little bit of research. A couple
of products as I've looked at as critics cretechs aar
By Reader's codings. Do Lux have a concrete and paving
sealer and aquamics have a penetrating.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Sealer just aqua mix I've certainly heard of. Just trying
to think. I mean, the other option is, you know,
hunt around and find like a you know, a very
experienced tyler who might be able to give you some
advice as well. But look, in the first instance, I
just pop on down tile space and see what they've got.

Speaker 10 (01:05:40):
Yep, Yep, they're all, aren't they They're everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
Yeah, oh they're everywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:05:44):
Okay, pretty well, that's good at all.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
All take care, Boby, you and news talks. That B
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of
call Stephen, Good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (01:05:56):
Good morning. I have a two story health elevated exposed
to easterly storms, and I the house is built about
nineteen eighty and I'm considering giving at the current joinery
is just simple glaze aluminium joinery. Yep, but it's looking

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pretty old after fifty years. Yes, so I'm looking at
double glazing and deciding between aluminium double glazing or uPVC
double glazing death. I believe the cost for you PVC
would be considerably more. Do you know if that will

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be true?

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I don't know that I guess it might be fractionally more,
but I'm not sure that i'd describe it as considerably more. Again,
I spend quite a bit of time with the ambience
team they make high performance uPVC joinery. I think if
it's an area where you're buffeted by the wind, for example,
or you're quite exposed, then having something that a really

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good job of air tightness i Stopping drafts and so on,
would be a considerable advantage. So and I think you
know you've rightly identified the fact that your existing aluminium
joinery nineteen eighties, if not at end of life, it'll
be kind of getting that way, and the way in

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which it's manufactured, the fact that it's solid aluminium basically,
so it's conducting a great deal of heat. You're losing
heat through there, or you're gaining heat through it. In summertime,
that chances are that the seals and the gaps and
that sort of thing have started to wear down. So
I think if you were going to spend the money
to go I want to put some double glazing in,

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which is obviously a benefit. But now's my opportunity to
change the joinery, I would go for changing the frame
and the glass, not just the glass, so and yeah,
I would definitely have a look at you PBC Ah right, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Now thank you fly.

Speaker 13 (01:08:08):
When is it double glazing? Do you need to have
strengthening of framing for instance, you know, and if you've
got a large sliding door, or do they just take
out the old and slodden than you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
I think in some cases, like if you were going
to do a retrofit of just the double glazing, you
might find that they come and they look at it
and they say, look, the frame itself is not going
to be sufficient to carry the weight because you know,
I've carried double glazed panels that are one hundred and
eighty two hundred kgs, right, And if you've got older
joinery and perhaps the wheels have started to wear out

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or the tracks of it worn, then it's not going
to slide smoothly with double the weight or more than
double the weight of glass in it, in which case
that's also another good reason to go. Actually, maybe it's
time to change the frames as well as just the glass,
and then you get the benefit of the strength. You
also get new hardware, new locks, and if you go

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the AMBI it's route you'll also get something that seals
really well, you know, to help if you're an exposed area.
What you don't want is air circulating around, penetrating the joinery,
and that air tightness close to air tightness you'll get
out of that ambience jowinery.

Speaker 13 (01:09:24):
So ambience is that a company or is that just
a type of joinery.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
It's a range of joinery that you can fight. So
if you just go ambience dock co dot ends it,
you'll find it there.

Speaker 13 (01:09:37):
Oh right, okay, and just one final question alamanium jewinery.
I had some friends who put in new double glazing,
but they didn't they didn't know about a thermal barrier.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Thermal break, yes, thermal break.

Speaker 13 (01:09:51):
Of course, now they're getting weeping on the actual alumanium
frames even though they've got double glazing. So is that
considered an extra cost? Do they all even for renovations,
do they include thermal barrier? Do you have to actually
specify that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
I think if you're doing work that requires a building consent,
then chances are once they do the calculations for the building,
you'll find that in most instances you will need to
use thermally broken aluminium in order to comply with the
H one regulations, but in some instances I believe it's
still technically possible to use standard aluminium i e. Non

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thermally broken, depending on where you're building, the size of
your windows, et cetera, et cetera. You know, one thing
we know about aluminium is it's a tremendous conductor. That's
why electrical cables are made in some cases with aluminium.
So you just can't ignore the fact that in the

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end aluminium is going to conduct heat. So yes, you
can take out your single glazing, you can put in
double glazing that will prevent heat loss or heat gain.
But if you don't change the joinery, then it's you know,
nature is going to find a way, and it's going
to find a way through that old aluminium jewnery. Right, okay, well,
have a look on Mike. Lots of research to do,

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lots of reading, mate, all it's my pleasure. Take care,
thank you, right, oh oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
We can take short break. We have a chat with
Mike Olts straight after the break as.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Well, begging what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video.
The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi building today Call eight hundred eighty
eight News Talks there be.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Yeah, when New Talks, he'd be. You've probably been up early, Mike,
watching a little bit of the Rugby this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
A little bit of a little when they make a
little bit of speed.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
And I know you've been listening to the show as
well because you were quick off the mark when we
were chatting with Warwick about he wanted that sort of
look of concrete and form faced concrete on the exterior.
It turns out you can do that with a little
bit of razine construction as well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Yeah, a little bit of render if he's looking for
the off form concrete effect within a number of projects,
where that just the pure cost of doing an off
form concrete tilt panel as such, yes, and or some
of the restrictions around weight and all that sort of
good stuff. So a number of clients, we've got a
couple of beautiful projects. I think it was one down
in Queenstown where we did it with our rendous systems

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straight over a plaster board and even though with the
external planning is an actual plaster finish to make it
look like it was precast concrete. But due to the
site restrictions in terms of the weights and off the
side of a hill, it became really really feasible and
looks emulates and looks pretty similar to off form concrete,

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which is great and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
I guess too, if you want that really sort of
you know, heavy duty finish, you could look at like
that seventy five mil intigra panel which is an AAC panel,
used that for your exterior cladding and then render over that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Absolutely, and that was a solution. So in the antegral
lightweight concrete, so we have a fifteen milimeter thick sheet,
which is the most common, but we also have the
seventy five mil sheet, which we did a lot of
it in christ Church post quake, a lot of the
brick buildings were damaged because the brick was a seventy

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mil thick. The panel. Basically we could replace the brick
with a seventy five mil panel, so we didn't have
to change the footings or anything like that. But the
other big one with the seventy five mil and it's
becoming more popular, is its original application was a flooring solution.
So instead of your traditional concrete floor or if you're

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on piles you were doing cement sheet flooring or a
blucked part of border, a chipboard time flooring. You can
actually put in a seventy five mil flooring panel. A.
It's lightweight, B. It's really fast and easy to install.
But it's a crossover instead of going to just solid
hard concrete and you want something to feel solid and

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firm underfoot, and is the seventy five mili panel. And
particularly with clients that are building with piles or they
once again have weight restrictions and load restrictions on the buildings,
then they can look at something like this, so you
get some really good acoustic benefits. It's noncombustible during construction,

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all weather construction, so if you get if it rains,
so you can sweep the floor off because they have
a water palent included within the product. So you get
really really straightforward and a high performing flooring system.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
And you know there's that thing too with you know,
as we move to multi story houses, typically that footfall
that you hear from upstairs if you're downstairs watching the
t and someone's mooching around upstairs. I'm guessing that on
a seventy five mil Integra panel, you're going to have
pretty good acoustic performance.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Out of that. Yeah, very very good acoustic performance. I
mean we sit there, we've we've done complete testing through
Autan University in their acoustic lab and always the most
difficult solution is always a hard flooring like a tile flooring,
and they do hammer tests and things like that. So
we work in conjunction with a JIB solution for the

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downstairs areas, so that's the ceilings with resilient channels and
the like. So yeah, we do have some very good
acoustic solutions in that space. And there's a project recently
completed in christ Church. Just if anyone knows christ churchs
down up off the strip. They're a big multi story
building there. La comp was doing it and that was

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all our seventy five mil flooring as well as the
external planting. So yeah, Total System approached that project and
we're actually going to be doing a bit of a
project feature on that one over the next couple of months.
Once is all wrapped up and completed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
I might go and have a look at that because
I'm down in christ Church at the end of September,
so I'll be in touch. I'll go and have a look.
Excellent if you want to know more, check out Razineconstruction
dot co dot m Z to find out more about
what we've been checking about and the technical advice there
and this tremendous inspiration as well. Mike Old, thanks very
much for your time this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Thanks, great day again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Take care again. That number O. That website is Razine
Construction dot co dot NZ. It is ten minutes away
from ETE News Talk ZB. Right, let's get amongst it
actually talking about clanning Ross. Good morning to you, yeah, more,
good morning Peter.

Speaker 8 (01:16:51):
My daughters just well, she's got a house and we
stalk nomin christ Church, but she's head the house for
a couple of years now. It's a true story place
and it's got Scott Plastic cleaning and it's doann to crack. Probably,
I guess this place would have been built in the nineties.
But what do that head building paper wreck around that

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probably would have oh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Yeah, yea nineteen nineties absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, I say
that it would have had it whether or not you know,
they did a good job of it is I suppose
it only be revealed if you ended up taking the
clanning off. And when you say cracking, I mean, you
know a little bit of movement and a few hairline

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cracks is not unexpected. I guess one of the big differences.
And you know, we were just talking with micro from
Razine Construction a moment ago.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
The way in which they've developed their system now takes
into account the fact that buildings move right, and so
I think back in the day you do an entire wall,
you do, you know, maybe a double height thing with
no provision for expansion or movement whatsoever, Whereas now it's
designed into the building. Because we know that buildings move.

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So if you have a timber frame which is prone
to movement and a rigid exterior, you've got to allow
for that differential. So one of the issues and one
of the fixes potentially for your daughter's place, is that
in some cases you can retro fit some of those
expansion joints to them with the right contractor who's familiar

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with the process and understands that you have to do
it without then creating a pathway for moisture ingress. But
also in some cases, if it's just relatively small cracks,
you may not even need to repair those. You can
repair them if you want or with a good coating
like X two hundred. You'll be able to cover that,

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but it's important.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
To cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I think you know you don't want to leave cracks
exposed for a period of time.

Speaker 8 (01:18:56):
Yeahs, I'm up here in October across the Yeah, it's
like I might get a might ring this morning and
find out and she might get it to seend some
photos for if she can. But so it wouldn't be
a dead or the appearance weekend or a week up.
They're just sort of gouging me out and put some

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what can you get the seed MIXX product the get Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
You can get like a it's a very light powder.
In some cases you apply it dry and then just
missed it with a little spray bottle and that's enough
to activate it. Or in some cases you might be
able to use a slurry. The other option is and
I know one of the it's one of the Razine

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construction contractors that I know, Phil from Proclad. He now
does all he'll do repairs, but he also offers like
a maintenance contract. And I think this is really interesting
for all builders and constructors going forward, is that you know,
typically we go, we do the house, and then we
walk away from it. And I remember reading a book
years and years ago called Measure Twice Cut Once. It's

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by an American builder, and he was kind of reflecting
on his career and one of the things he talked
about was his boss, who had the approach that he
would contact all of his clients once a year and
say to them, can I just pop round and have
a walk around the house and pack up on anything
that maybe needs a little bit of repair. And I thought,

(01:20:30):
that's a really good approach to take. So, you know,
and I don't know that many New Zealand businesses are
heading down that path. That's why I mentioned Philip Proclad
because you know, he then goes, Okay, I've done your house,
but I'm going to, you know, offer you an opportunity
where I'll come around in a year and just pack
up on little things, you know, so maybe something's moved,

(01:20:52):
or something's cracked, or they bit appealing or something like
that and we can sort it out. Because little problems
solved early often stop becoming big problems. So I mean,
if you want to reach out to someone like phil
that'll be good, or a local contractor who's experienced and
just get them to assess it. You might find that
a little bit of simple repair and a really good

(01:21:14):
paint job is enough to keep that building weather type.
It might be more serious, but possibly you can solve it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:23):
Yeah, I think I think she said that. So far,
they've got about eight quotes, and most of them are
all sort of there's a weave of a low cost
one and the high class one that high costs one's
more like are quite a lot of scaffold sitting up
because of it's being too story and all that. It's
quite a you know, I says, well, what about the

(01:21:44):
ladder she's dead has four meters high. I don't think
you want to be doing that sort of thing. You know,
it's got to think of the danger side of it,
and it's it's an interest.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Same thing with the scaffold too, and you go, okay,
it's four meters. I mean that's that's a reasonable way
up to be on a ladder. But also you know
you're up there, you're going to clean it, then you're
going to do repairs, and you're going to do top
two top coats. Right, Doing that off the ladder is
just so ineffective, you know, and I don't think it
helps promote a really good finish because you leaning the
ladder against it and you're trying to move it and

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all the rest of it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:15):
But yeah, it's like your it's slot, your thing with
a sheet only heaving a small sheets. The big sheet
that's way being had a big run.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Right, I think so I would go with that, And
I like the proportions. You know, if you've got a
house two thirds shared one third house, that works for me.
But yeah, I can't see it happening. Hey, lovely to
talk with you. I've got to run for the news.
Take care ross, all the very best and well we'll
be back straight after news sport and we're the top
of the Remember Riot Cline passed from.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
A thirty turning ohs into She'll be right the resident
builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future
of ki We Building Today.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news dog z'd.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Be well, welcome back to the program. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
six minutes after eight, which makes it ladies and gentleine.
Oh yes, indeed, I'm still excited about the fact that
I was listening to a podcast last week with Benjamin
Franklin I the Declaration of Independence, a fantastic scientist and

(01:23:18):
forward thinking man, was a big fan of Lift and
Time as well. Now imagine a little wood cabin with
barely any windows in it, and he's still going open
the doors and windows. So ladies and gentlemen, it's loft
and time. Open up the doors and windows in the morning.
A little bit of fresh air into the house five
minutes is enough to help do an air exchange. All

(01:23:39):
of that kind of moist air that's built up inside
your house over a period of time. You can expel
that from the house, give it somewhere to go, let
some fresh air, and close the door up and get
back on with your day. So that's what lift and
Time is all about. It is seven minutes after eight.
We've got a couple of spare lines for you right now.
Got a couple of good texts, including this one from Paul,

(01:24:00):
quite a detailed one. Paul about an industrial unit with
a six meter stud some windows. Quite happy if you
want to email me and I'll try and give you
some solutions to some of your questions. So Paul about
that small commercial building. Send me an email. Pete at
newstalksb dot co dot Nz and I'll give you a

(01:24:22):
couple of recommendations from there. Krichie. We did have a
whole bunch of texts as well. Super home Movement. Yes,
so we got onto talking about design and then being
able to model. You can predict what your building is
going to be like. No one now, with the technology

(01:24:43):
that's available, should be surprised about how their building performs
in the future because we can model it and the
modeling is phenomenally nuanced andsightful, and so you can predict
things like what temperature is going to be inside the building,
what your energy usage is likely to build b what
impact shading has, whether or not the building is prone

(01:25:07):
to overheating. All of these things you can now predict
with the energy modeling and the gentleman that we were
talking about or with rather saying well how do I
find them, Well, I've done the quick what I type
in building energy modeling in New Zealand. It brought up
a whole bunch of companies, some of which I know.
It certainly brought up the Green Building Council and the
Passive House Institute. And I'm also aware because he was

(01:25:30):
talking about the fact that he was in the way
Cutau region. Sharon at Smart Living Spaces is probably quite
a good person to talk to as well. But it's
out there and it's a fascinating, fascinating in excuse me,
insight into being able to predict what the building's going

(01:25:52):
to do. There shouldn't be any more surprises. Someone took
me to task for that, and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
What was it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
I made the comment that in the end, we as builders.
So I'm a licensed building practitioner. I have a carpentry license,
a site license. Ever since we shifted to the restricted
building model and the LBP scheme, our job as LBPS
is to build what's on the plan. That's our job.

(01:26:23):
That's the contract. We build what's on the plan. Now,
if the plan is not so much lacking in detail,
but perhaps hasn't taken into account performance and we know
that because we've got some insight or some knowledge about that,
yes we might have a responsibility I guess from an

(01:26:43):
ethics point of view to say to the client, hey, look,
I've had a look at the plan. With the greatest
respect to the person that drew the plan, have you
considered these issues? But in the end, the whole point
of the changes I guess to the way in which
buildings are regulated is that you build what's on the plan.

(01:27:04):
And so the text that's sent through, what do you say,
pete very weak, very weak? Pet As builders, you should
question weak designs. Yes, I think that we should question them.
But in the end, if no one's listening, you build
what's on the plans. It's as simple as that. I'm

(01:27:25):
not saying it's a good system. I'm just saying that
that's what our responsibility is. LBPS is, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We talked
a little bit about adding insulation to existing exterior walls
and someone said, hey, good advice. I like the methodology
in terms of removing the interior lining, adding maybe some

(01:27:48):
drainage or ventilation cavity behind the existing weatherboards, then putting
in some building papers and building wrap, then putting the insulation,
then reinstating or re lining the interior. And it's it's
still my preference, to be fair, if I was going
to retrofort a house, that would be the methodology. And

(01:28:11):
having that vapor barrier, having that building paper between your
insulation and your exterior is really really important. And if
you can create some sort of ventilation behind it, something
like damp matt is really really good as well. Now
this is I'm going to read this text out, but
I want to do some more research on this. This

(01:28:34):
is this whole thing around. If you install solar panels
on your roof, it voids the warranty of the roofing
iron or the roofing material underneath it. Because typically if
you read through the warranty for roofing materials that are
color coated, and there's a range of different companies that
produce that material, it will be very clear around in

(01:28:58):
areas where it's not getting washed by the rain, i e.
Roof typically you need to wash it in order to
comply with the warranty the manufacturer's instructions. So obviously if
you put a panel on top of it, rain will
still pass underneath, but it effectively will just be in
the troughs. It won't be on the ridges of your iron,
in which case that's not being washed. So do you

(01:29:20):
need to get up there once a year and wash it?
I understand that you do, but is that a practical solution?
Do people actually do that? And does that avoid the
warranty so that's on my list. I'll try and find
out a little bit more about that as well. Um

(01:29:41):
someone's obviously looked at a video that I did the
other day talking about hammers in me workshop. Pete w
I reckon if you moved house, what a job you'd
have moving all that work, storage, old tools and timber.
It made me think you might be moving now. I'm
not thinking about moving, but I have updated the front door. Yes,
much progress. There another great little life lesson for me.

(01:30:04):
Write everything down. I've been saying this for years. I've
been encouraging people to have like a notebook that if
you're doing a paint color, if you bought a product,
I write down the types of plants that we buy,
just in case I need to replace one later on
something like that. And I've been doing that. I've been
doing this for ages. Somewhere along the line I didn't

(01:30:25):
write down, or if I did write it down, I
wrote down the wrong color for the inside of the door.
So I took the door which had been stripped and
was bear cowie, and I primed it and prepped it
and sanded it and filled it and undercodd it, and
then I put on a coat of paint that I
thought was the right tin because I had it inside

(01:30:46):
the house. Turns out it wasn't. Then I went through
my notes and I'd written down another paint color, so
it bought some of that and I put that on
and it still was the right color. So in the end,
thank goodness for Jay, who will be joining us next
week on the program. Went to the Raisine color shop
and wire out. Jay happened to be there, Marcus was

(01:31:08):
there as well. I took a door off the wardrobe,
small door, but took a door off the wardrobe, went
to the color shop with the door and went, can
we find this paint? Now, it's ten year old paint,
so it's probably slightly yellowed and all that sort of thing. Anyway,
we got a color that's pretty damn close. But I
could have saved myself an enormous amount of angst and

(01:31:32):
time and upset if I just had have written down
the color or take a photograph of it. These days,
which has become sort of something that I commonly do.
So I'll just take a photograph of the tin that
I'm using, and then I might write a note or
I write on the lid, as I just did yesterday
when I got my new paint front door twenty twenty

(01:31:53):
six front door interior quarter a Spanish white. Thank you
very much. It's another job done, which means I get
to put my lock in today, finally, finally, finally put
my new Yale lock and can't wait for them at
working on a Sunday good idea. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Right, give us a call. O eight hundred
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But give us a call now, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
News talk zb.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Right he Oh, a couple of calls before we go
to ret Max. Good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
Oh, good morning Pete. My daughter's got a house that
was built about early nineteen eighty.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:33:50):
The weather board on the out side is a dura board.
The bottom one is being damaged and I want to
replace it. I've got some Durer board. It seems to
me the easiest way to be to grind the top
of the fat head. Now punch it through and hopefully
this side the bottom dura board up and put another

(01:34:11):
one in is from your experience, is that going to
be the easiest way.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
I'm just looking at what the dura board is. So
is it a PVC board.

Speaker 9 (01:34:23):
No, it's a fiberboard.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
And it's our mineral polymer composite okay.

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
And it's got a weather it's got a wood grain
exterior to it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Okay. I guess you're tempted to punch, like, cut the
flathead off and punch it because you don't want to
damage the surface of the board above. Yeah, right, Yes,
And it's a.

Speaker 9 (01:34:49):
Very bottom board. Yes, it was probably the first one attached.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
If you were to get a reasonably thin pry bar,
or if you were to do what I did to
one of my pro bars the other day and grind
it down so it wasn't as thick on the end
because I wanted to get in behind some market trades.
Could you slide that up underneath the bottom board and
just leave that second board up out slightly so that

(01:35:16):
the head popped that when the board was pressed back down,
the head was forward. I just think that punching it
through is I get what you're trying to do in
terms of not damage the board, but punching it through
by the time you drive it through the front edge
of the top board and through the bottom edge of

(01:35:38):
the bottom board, you're actually going to create quite a
big hole in the nail hole, like an opening in
the nail hole just with the nail punch. So if
there's some way that you could pry the board forward
without breaking the board to lift the head and then
get underneath the head with a bit of timber behind
there to protect the other board, pull the nail out,
I think that would be a better solution. Step two

(01:36:01):
would be if that's not practically working, I would still
try and pry that number two board off and then
maybe go in behind there with a metal blade on
a multi tool and cut through the nail, pull the
head out, and then you could go a new nail
through where the old one is. Won't help you get
that bottom board off, But yeah, I think pulling the

(01:36:25):
nail out is the best way of doing it. But
I understand why you're concerned about damaging the board.

Speaker 9 (01:36:31):
Yes, okay, I would try and pull it out right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Yeah, And are the boards then painted, yes, I have,
So if there was a little bit of a dent
or something like that around the where you've extracted the
old nail. You could then either use an epoxy filler
or something like that just to tidy up the surface
and then repaint it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Yeah, I just think trying to get the nail out
is the best way of doing it if you possibly can.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
Yes, yeah, good. No, I'm not a builder, but I've
had building experience.

Speaker 7 (01:37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
Yeah, And this is one of the benefits of weatherboard,
and the sense is that they are repairable and replaceable
like that, you know, you can just take out the
one that's decayed or damaged. And I think that's really cool.

Speaker 9 (01:37:22):
Yes, some of the things you've been saying about getting
a modern house with better insulation, et cetera. The information
is changing all the time and it's getting better. Six
years ago I started building an FL house.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:37:40):
The timber was molled on the site before they let
me use it. I had to send it to a
mill where it was graded and treated, and I was
quite happier that the walls are all agentistic. So this
double insulation there. People say, what do you need that
you only need one hundred miles and I said, no,
that's the minimum you have. So I've got double insulation

(01:38:03):
wolves and roof passive and good sunshine hours in the
in the bottom of the Corimandel area. The coldest house
has been in wintertime there's sixteen degrees. The warmest it's
been in summer's twenty two degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
With that situation, yeah, brilliance, I have brilliant.

Speaker 9 (01:38:23):
I have got pipes under from the comes out through
the concrete floor and they actually flow out into into
a bushy area next door. So the cooler here in
the bush smart drawn going out.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:38:40):
I wanted to get vents for the roof, but the
different systems they got wouldn't sell me just events I
had to buy the whole system. I didn't want that.
And so it's a natural airflow through windows rather than
through the ceiling, and it's working well.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
And you know, it reinforces the fact that there are
now methodologies and modeling solutions that allow us to predict
how a building is going to perform and build a
building that's going to work well for us. And increasingly
there's no excuse for us not to be doing that.
And that's that's why I've become, my guess a little
bit more strident in making the comment that when we

(01:39:17):
get a building that's failing to look after people. We've
got to be looking at the designer, right, that's where
it starts. And it just it just feels like it
just shouldn't happen anymore. We shouldn't be building and ending
up going, Oh, I wonder why the building's forty degrees

(01:39:40):
in summertime, or I wonder why I've got constant issues
with mold growth inside the building and all these sorts
of things, because you can design all of that out
by being thoughtful and considerate and informed beforehand. And there's
just no excuse anymore, in my opinion, Max, I've got
to run. Nice to chat with you, and good luck
with helping out repairing those weatherboards. Hey, just the other

(01:40:02):
thing too. The other day, Friday night, I've went along
the one hundred year celebration, which was nice to be
there with the great and the good. And also there's
been a series of podcasts, and yesterday, while I was
painting the door for what might have been the fourth time,
I did actually get to listen to the first podcast.
It's on the iHeart app and it was the sort

(01:40:25):
of an introduction to how ZB started nineteen twenty six,
and then it went right through to pretty much up
to the early eighties. Mike Hosking hosts it. It's got
some really good clips and so on. So the second
episode I think drops today sometime, but I listened to
the first one the other day. Actually, Bevan who's working
with me this morning as well, he was listening to

(01:40:47):
it while driving around. Both us thought it's actually a
really really good little piece of audio and quite insightful
into the history of one ZEDB or ZB or one
z news talk was ZEDB it used to be or
still is obviously, and then one ZEDB and different promos
and ads and that sort of thing. Certainly brought through

(01:41:07):
a whole lot of really interesting stuff. Now just quickly,
I've got a whole bunch of texts. I'm not going
to get to all of them, but this is an
interesting one. Again, this is all about modeling and thinking
about how we put our buildings together and unintended consequences.
So this will be my last comment on the building
issues today. Hey, Pete had insulation extra insulation put in

(01:41:27):
the roof and four weeks later all the jib between
the trim and the ceiling is cracked, so big tidy
up behind the insulation job. See, I think that just
putting more insulation in is not always the solution. It's
then how you construct that roof space, whether you've got
a warm roof or a cold roof, whether you've got
a ventilation path, whether you're address addressing issues around moisture

(01:41:52):
control and interstitular moisture control and that sort of thing.
So just going, oh good, I'm just going to throw
more insulation at it is not nuanced enough, and I'm
sorry to hear that you've got a problem with it.
But again, you can predict these things, right, These things
are no longer a surprise. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

(01:42:12):
If you would like to talk with a Rud climb pass,
we'll take a short break and Rud will be with us.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Where DIY gets unstuck, call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
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