Full Show Podcast: 16 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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done right. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp Call eight
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
It be.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yard, even when the dog.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Is too old to bar, and when're sitting at the
table trying not to starveuse scissor home even when we bend,
even when you're therellone house sizzle hole given when there's ghost.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Given when you go around, found the ones you love
your most.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Stream does broken pains.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Appeeling in front of.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Locals, whisper when they're gone, and leaving theirs.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Even when we're ron.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Even when you're in their lone.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Years. Well, very good morning and welcome along to the
rest and Builder on Sunday. That's with me, people, wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder here to take your calls about all
things building and construction. And that's that's a fairly wide

(02:00):
sort of remit to be fair because we can talk
about actually getting the job done. We can talk about
the planning that goes into getting the job done before
you actually you know, swing a hammer or rip open
a Wall's always got to be a little bit of planning.
In fact, I always recall a discussion I had with
a building surveyor very experienced building survey and he said, look,

(02:24):
in ninety percent of the jobs that I go to
in terms of mediation or some sort of investigation as
to why things haven't worked out as people expected or
as it should do, it always comes down to the planning.
If there's been if we can identify that there's been
poor planning, then undoubtedly we always end up with a
poor outcome. And I think that's probably completely true if

(02:46):
it's a large, you know, multi level, multi million dollar project,
or whether you've just decided that, hey, I'm going to
repair something today. What do I need to do for planning?
What materials do I need? How much time do I
need to allocate to it? How what's my access going
to be? Like do I have the right materials to
cli up let's say, a paint brush at the end

(03:08):
of the job, or am I suddenly rushing around looking
for things that if I had spent a little bit
of time planning, I would have had all of those
items at hand. And I mean, I'm in a I
was going to say, in a slightly fortunate position in
the sense that over the years, I've managed to collect
up most of the equipment and gear that I need.
So when I'm undertaking some tasks and I've had a

(03:30):
bit of a focus over the last few weeks, I've
trying to get a few jobs done around the house,
which is sort of against the rules for builders, because
you know, typically builder's house like cobbler's shoes and mechanics,
cars and that sort of thing, it's the last thing
you do. But I've I've put in a bit of
effort and so as I'm doing undertaking tasks, whether it's

(03:51):
what do I need the other day, you know, from
cutting something to ripping something to sanding something, I've got
all of the right gear and the sending bits in
the paint brushes and the right types of paint already
at the house. And if I don't, then I make
sure I have those things there ready to go. So
we can talk a little bit about planning. We can

(04:11):
talk about some of the legislation that might curtail what
you can do or impact on what you can do.
We'll talk about some of the professionals that you might
need to engage if you're doing a project. So it's
a big old topic building and construction, but we can
talk about it all on the show this morning. It's
been a bit of an interesting week for me in

(04:33):
the sense of some engagements and some opportunities that came
along during the week that I wasn't really expecting. I
certainly wasn't expecting to meet the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon
during the course of the week, but did have that
opportunity and I'll chat a bit more about that later on.
And I was a little bit cheeky during my chat
with the Prime Minister and said, hey, look, I understand

(04:54):
you quite like doing a bit of DIY and from
some reading that I did before he was elected prime
minister or the National Party were elected to power, that
apparently it is his thing. And I said, well, how
woud you feel about coming on the show just talk DIY.
I'm sure we might do a bit of politics in
there somewhere, and he seemed open to the idea, so
we'll see if we can set that up. But right
now it's your opportunity to talk all things building construction,

(05:18):
getting jobs done around the house, or getting someone to
do the work that you need to do, and maybe
the materials that you need, the wide variety of materials
that are available, So if you wander into any of
the sort of big barn stores. Oh, same thing yesterday,
finishing up a project that i'd had going on again

(05:42):
for the last couple of about a week or so
of work. Need a little bit of seilant. I'd finished
all the carpentry work, I'd got my primer code on,
I've done all my filling. There are just a couple
of gaps, as there always are, that needed some seilent,
so fossic through a box that I've got of celant,
found the right one. Not all of them are paintable,

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for example, not all of them are UV stable. Not
all of them are suitable exterior use. So how do
you tell how to choose the right product for the
right location to achieve the right outcome. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. You can text,
of course, there's a small charge. We'll try and get
to all of your texts. Nine to nine two is

(06:23):
the text number, and if you'd like to email me
you are more than welcome. It's Pete at Newstalk SEDB
dot co dot NZ. So I hope you've had a
good week and let's rip into some calls all about
building and construction this morning on the show. I have
to say, nice to see in the Auckland area. Anyway,
it's been a fairly parched and while we didn't get
a lot of rain, we did actually get a little

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bit of rain. And one of my projects was to replace,
actually to install some spouting on the garage that hasn't
had spouting on the garage for quite some time. So
to get some facierboard up, to get some seffeed up,
to get the spouting hung, which wasn't the case last
Sunday when I was here in the studio, got that
done on the Monday, got the down pipe and hey,

(07:08):
here comes the rain and out comes the water from
the down pipe and I was, I have to say,
stupidly happy to see that. Then again, that's that's the
delight of getting stuff done for yourself. So if you've
got a project on you'd like some help, you'd like
to talk about it, let's do that right now. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've
got spear lines. Typically we get pretty busy late in

(07:31):
the show. So now's a great time to call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Let's rip into it all things
building construction, the resident builder on Sunday call me.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Now met twice God was, but maybe call Pete first
for your WORFCAB the resident builder.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
News Talk said, be your news talk said, b it
is seventeen minutes just gone, seventeen minutes after six, just
a couple of days past Valentine's. Hope you had a
good Valentine's Day. I just kind of enjoy Valentine's Day.
To be fair, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a building question.
And helga a very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Oh hi, into a very good concert last night at
since A Jazz is another one tonight if you want
to go free.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I don't mind jazz, but I think going out on
a Sunday night after getting up at five o'clock on
a Sunday morning doesn't It's not a great mix for me,
to be fair.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
Oh, you wouldn't have a little afternoon brended nat.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I'm a huge fan of the Wee Afternoon NAP. I
have to say, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
I've just been cheeky as like I think I rung
you about a week ago about a problem. And we've
got what do they call it, the CCC of Government
Approval and Spixer Improvement.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, so Code Compliance Certificate as the CCC.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
Yes, yeah, Well, now this is hot weather because in
Evan Dale, I noticed when I read the temperature now
from twenty six and you know the ultra violet rays,
they've been eight and nine lately, even at six o'clock
at nine, I was sitting in a place and it

(09:16):
was six, no eight, it's six o'clock in the evening.
And our concrete has got big long cracks formed in
night where there's a pathway, there's a security life and
from there it's it's cracked along one say two meters

(09:36):
now about oh if you go the old rule about
two rulers along twenty four inches and then there's another part.
This is in the whole area where everyone can sert
in the sun of the I said, the forty takes
places and it's down a road Fentil place, but it's
not really.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
I thinkga the like there's a truism with concrete, which
is all concrete cracks right. So ideally, because people who
are experienced and using it know that, we tend to
try and mitigate the likelihood of it by going, Okay, well,
what we're going to do is we're going to make

(10:15):
sure that we put in some expansion cuts at certain
places to ensure that when it does crack, as it
most inevitably will, it will crack in a controlled manner. Right,
So you give it somewhere to crack. If someone's laid
concrete paths and they've put those expansion cracks too far away,
or they've put them in the wrong place, or potentially

(10:37):
they've done a poor job of the preparation, they haven't
compacted the base course, those sorts of things, then you'll
have some issues. But thankfully, from what you're saying, it's
on the it's not critical, right, So pathways, I know
you don't want trip hazards and things like that, but
if it's you know, a pathway that cracks, that's not

(10:58):
as concerning, perhaps as if your floor slab was starting
to crack.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Yeah, I haven't quite finished on the side of a
woman's hand. If I cut up there was a bit
of concrete full out in the middle of the path
by itself shivers.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Okay, look that's just poor workmanship basically.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
So can we, like the forty six places here, we
all talk together, one of us people. Can we go
back to the developer and talk about that, or do
we go to the lawyer or who do we go to?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
I mean, look, you can go through the legal route,
but that's obviously going to be expensive. I think that
you know, if it's a relatively new development and you're
having those sorts of defects appear, even though they're not
like they're not related to any one particular house, they're
related to the development in general, you'd like to think

(11:55):
that the developer would come back and it's not. In fact,
I did it this week. I had to cut a
section of concrete pathway out, get some drains put in,
and then patch that up. It's not as idea, is
it is if it was done all at one time.
But it is possible. And if you're having defects like
that where a large piece of concrete has has dislodged,

(12:16):
then yeah, I would certainly go back to the developer.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah. One of the things, may I ask you to
uh lot of they know what happens next.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I guess not. It's quite intriguing at the moment because
not all developments, let's say, where there might be you know,
multiple townhouses necessarily have a body corporate. But in your instance,
is there a body corporate.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
There?

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (12:54):
I paid two thousand because I'm only a few weeks.
Have been in this since August, Yeah, since the rent
for a few months, because three of us that book,
because I think they didn't want to pay the text
that Yeah, so I mean I didn't. I bought it,
paid for the deposit and August and I go to

(13:15):
call for my lawyer. Will you wait three months? Get
three months? Three rent, will give you a free heat pump,
free curse and if your men on the thirty first
become the owner. So firstly, from the thirty first of October,
I owned us and two other people.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, I think how if there is a body corporate,
then you go to the body corporate and you go, look,
it's in our collective interest to sort this out. And
you'll probably find you'll spend less money just getting a
contractor to sort it out than trying to spend money
on a legal firm trying to get the developer to
do it. Unless it's extensive and there's going to be

(13:54):
more problems, then I would probably just go ahead and
get it fixed. Good luck with all of that, and
hope it all works out, and hopefully there'll be a
point where there won't be ongoing issues with the quality
of the bill. Hopefully. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you'd like to join us.
We've got plenty to talk about this morning, as we
always do on a Sunday, all things building, construction, DIY,

(14:16):
getting it done for yourself or in some cases there's
always building work that, of course you may not be
able to do, and you may need to find contractors
or specialists to come in and do that. We can
talk about their roles as well. Couple of quick texts
as well. Any recommendations for timber, for garden boxing, chemical

(14:38):
free so by that I presume you're going to build
maybe some raised planter boxes or some garden beds, something
like that. Macrocarp is not bad. I've used it on
just trying to think the last one that I built.
Jet's going back almost five almost six years ago now,
so essentially sleepers. So one hundred and one hundred and

(15:01):
fifty by two hundred sleepers, and all I did to
try and protect them from the soil on the inside
was once I'd built the garden bed, I just lined
the inside with some polythene and then had a little
batton running around the inside lip that held the top
of the polythene so material can't get him behind the polythene.

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And look, it seems to be absolutely fine. It's only
a couple of boards high, three boards high. I think
it was actually quite a nice little job out of macrocarpa.

Speaker 8 (15:36):
There is.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Redwood available at some of the I was actually at
Bunning's the other day talking to a guy about these
redwood sleepers. Funnily enough, they would be an option, So
that's probably your best bet in terms of chemical free
Morning Pete. We're building a house thinking about using you
PVC windows. What are your thoughts on you PBC windows

(16:01):
versus aluminium? Thanks from Sarah. Interestingly enough, the place that
I had the opportunity of meeting the Prime Minister and
actually Chris Penk who's been on the show a couple
of times as the Minister for Building and Construction, was
at Stark Joinery who make uPVC windows, and I've had

(16:23):
some involvement with them for over the last couple of years,
and I'll have more involvement with them going forward. It
was interesting walking through the factory seeing the sort of
manufacturing process for the uPVC joinery, and actually I was
reading through some of the data sheets associated with the
thermal performance, let's say, of uPVC versus other types of joinery,

(16:46):
whether that's standard aluminium thermally broken aluminium timber, and comparing
them all. So, yeah, I think there's some performance gains.
I think there's some advantages with the UPBC in terms
of how they construct the corners where they're bonded in
this particular instance with the Stark windows, so it's a
factory process where they're heated and bonded together. The hardware

(17:10):
and the way and the operability if that's a word,
I think it's a word for them, is pretty good
in terms of windows that will both be casement so
they'll open side hung and open up and also they'll
open and basically come inwards so you can leave them

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open for ventilation, but you've still got some weather protection.
So yeah, look, I think if you've got the opportunity
of using it, I wouldn't have any hesitation to be fair, Right, morning, Pete.
I had a beautiful laundry installed two years ago. I
love it. Last week had the washing machine changed. It
was a poor job. Water leaked onto the carpet, the upstands,

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and the kickboards soaked it up and swelled. What could
designers use for kickboards in future for water incidents? Tantalized timber,
aluminium powder coat. I ponder, only fair enough. That's really frustrating. Yeah,
I mean, look, it's not an uncommon problem. See something

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like a small leak like that. So I presume that
as the washing machine was removed, maybe there was some
water in the pipe. No one had a bucket at hand,
so it went onto the floor and it's immediately tracked
underneath the kickboards and has swollen the kickboards. But realistically,
you know, around the kickboard should be fully sealed. So

(18:36):
maybe it's an installation issue of the new laundry, and
that little bead of sealant that runs around the perimeter
should have been enough to prevent that one off flood. Now,
if it was a long term leak that hadn't been
identified and only identified when the washing machine was taken out,
then possibly I can understand the extent of the damage.

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There are. There are some like water resistant or more
water resistant MDFs available now, again not terribly common, but
they are available. So I guess making kickboards out of
those would have been a really good idea. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call last one
before we go to the break in terms of the text,
happy to take your text. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(19:23):
for the calls, nine to nine to two for the text.
I have a gat a deck that has the typical
ninety mill wide wood with approximately a three mil gap.
It's flat, not the tread type or the groove type up.
We've put some retractable blinds around it, and we want
to put marine carpet down. Should we put down plywood

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or something to give it a flat surface? Or can
we glue straight to the decking or would screwing the
carpet be okay? Can I just raise a small caution,
which is, while the timber is treated for exposure to
the exterior, right, so it's it's a treated timber, it

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should be able to result resist moisture and the impact
of moisture. If you then put down a carpet, and
that's going to saturate. Inevitably, it will get wet, and
it will trap moisture between the carpet and the timber.
You're likely to get decay because there's not the opportunity
for it to ventilate. It's not the opportunity for it

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to dry. Go ahead and do it if you want to.
But if you come back to me in a couple
of years time ago, oh, we've just lifted the edge
of the carpet and the decking started to rot, that
will possibly be the reason why. And to be fair,
even if you were to screw down plywood to it,

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you'll have the same issue where you're trapping moisture. So
if you really wanted to ensure that the deck I mean,
if you're going to do that, why wouldn't you just
pull the decking up, put down some tantalized ply in
the area that you want to put the carpet. But
then ideally that should have fall on it, and again
your deck will be level, I presume at the moment.

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So a couple of things to consider there. Sorry, it's
not quite the simple question that maybe you thought that
it was going to be oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've got a question,
call us now oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It
is six thirty here at.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
News talks EDB viewing on the house, storting the garden.
Asked Pete for a hand, it's a resident builder with
Peter Wolfcap. Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talks EDB.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Your news talks EDB eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a question about building,
about construction, about the legislation, about the regulations that go
along with it, sort of the management of subcontractors. I
had quite a lengthy discussion with some friends who are
renovating just recently around sort of managing subcontractors expectations, talking

(21:58):
about you know, budgets, estimates, the difference between estimates and quotes,
the expectation around degree, even around behavior and that sort
of thing on site. You know, what do you expect
if you're living in the house while you're doing a renovation.
Do you get to decide, I guess the behavior of

(22:20):
your subcontractors in terms of, you know, how long they
take a break for or whether is smoking still an
issue on sites. I mean, I encounter it so rarely
these days that I don't really see it. I suppose
vaping might be a bigger thing. So there's all those
little added extras. I guess that add complexity and nuance

(22:43):
to managing subcontractors and contractors while they're working at your place.
I must say too. The other thing that I had
the opportunity of being part of during the course of
the week some time ago would have been middle to
end of last year. We're invited Amanda Stains from Keystone

(23:05):
Trust to come in and talk on the radio here,
and we had quite a discussion around what the Keystone
Trust does. So, in a nutshell, it's a charitable body
that provides scholarship and mentoring to young people who are
undertaking tertiary education or toutiary qualification in the construction and

(23:28):
property sector. So it might be, you know, property studies,
it might be architecture, it might be engineering, it might
be project managing, project management, these sorts of things. And
so the Keystone Trust, which has been around for about
thirty years now provides the scholarship, and I think I
suspect more importantly the mentorship and the guidance for young

(23:51):
people who would normally not otherwise have an opportunity to
go to tutiary study. And so in Auckland on Tuesday night,
I think it was Tuesday Wednesday night, they had a
graduateuas and dinner for some of the students and an
award ceremony for other students that are about to begin

(24:12):
their studies being supported by the Keystone Trust. And I've
been a bit of a supporter of theirs for the
last couple of years. I was invited to go along
to MCRE. It's supported essentially by building and construction and
property businesses who donate to the fund in order for

(24:32):
them to provide the money for the scholarships. So there
was about three hundred people in the room, which is
pretty cool, and a mixture of students as well, including
happily enough, one young man who used to go to
the same school as I did back in the day,
So that was kind of cool. When I'm reading through
the list of where some of these young people are
coming from, the schools that they're coming from right across

(24:53):
the country and they're undertaking tertiary studies at Auckland or
Victoria University or aut or christ Church Anyway, it was
a pretty cool event. I have to say. It's a very,
very worthwhile and incredibly well run organization. So just by
the bike, it was exciting to be to see that

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and to see a couple of the young people who
are completing this. One young man stood up. He's about
to finish his Bacheler of Engineering with honors from Canterbury
University actually and about to go into professional work outstanding.
It was a great event, actually, I eight hundred eighty

(25:35):
ten eighty. That was one of the things I got
up to this week, including sort of wandering along and
meeting the Prime Minister which was kind of fun as well.
We'll talk about that but later on. I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call pet a
text message. We are buying a six year old townhouse
with a shared garage wall with an adjoining unit. The
building inspection report says that the garage ceiling space, the

(25:57):
joints of the firewall, plaster board and screws are not plasted.
Is it necessary to be plasted? Typically yes, so unless
there was something in six year old townhouse. Yeah, I mean,
look all of the fire rating that I might have

(26:19):
supervised or done or supervised. In the last ten twelve years,
it's always been a case that you have to stop
the joints. So you might use a fire rated plaster
board like fireline for example from JIB, but it's important
that you stop the joints. Doesn't have to be pretty,
but it does have to be stopped, and the fixings

(26:39):
need to be stopped as well. So yes, I think
the building inspection report is right to identify that, and
I would say the work hasn't been completed properly, in
which case, you know, you look at that and go, so,
how did it get a CCC If it's got one,
I presume that it does. Yes, something to look at there,

(27:01):
And if you are unsure about what the legislation looks
like or what the requires moments, you can go to
the JIB website. So just jib dot co dot NZ
have a look through, and they'll have all of their
guidance around fire rating and fire rated systems if it
is a jib board system on their website as well.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure that you will need to

(27:23):
that should have been stopped just on that too. And
if you happen to be living sort of in a
multi unit complex or an apartment and that sort of
thing where there is fire rating. Yeah, it's uncommon right
in residential situations. A standalone house typically has no requirement
for fire rating. The reason I mentioned it is that

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council's attitude has changed dramatically. So let's say you're in
an apartment block and council during some inspection or while
you're doing renovation work, for example, you identify the fact
that the fire rating is not up to code requirements.
It kind of doesn't matter who stuffed up anymore. You,

(28:06):
as the owner of the property, are the person responsible,
and council will insist that you fix it. It's quite
an interesting change in attitude at the moment. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call John A very good morning to you. Yeah, good, thank.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
You, Pete. I've just become an on Central South and
right at the bottom end of the country. And now
the lady to get a CCC the charge for seven
thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Hang on. The charge to get a CCC was seven
thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
At the cost of getting that from the council. With
seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Can you just explain that to me, because to be blunt,
it doesn't make any sense in that typically when you
get a building consent, you pay for the building consent
that might have cost five or six thousand dollars. That
will typically include a set number of inspections. If you
have to have more inspections. If you fail and they
need to recheck, they'll charge you for that. Maybe you

(29:09):
failed the final inspection and they'll come back and do
another one. But then the actual processing of the CCC
there'll be a fee, but typically it's around two to
three thousand or two thousand dollars. How did they get
to seven grand?

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Apparently it is the costs have been changed and I
only know a little bit about the job, so I'm
not sure. But the cost it was a built it
was a building that was already up and lived them down,
a small building, but at costs. This lady devens out

(29:50):
the fee from Southern District Council was seven thousand dollars
to issue the CCC.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, okay, so if it's there might be something there
around a building that was completed, occupied and then went
looking for a CCC. So if there's more work involved,
then I could see the price going up. Look, it's
easy to be on the sideline go that seems expensive,
but it does seem expensive to.

Speaker 9 (30:17):
Be fair, very expensive.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:20):
So, but apparently it was cared back and the charges
are literally double for them. Peace.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And I mean you're seeing this, you know,
from council charges for all sorts of things. I mean, look,
I was ten twelve years ago. If you asked for
a new water meter for a subdivision, right for a
new development in Auckland, we were paying about I think

(30:48):
it was about twelve hundred dollars. Last one that I
was aware of it was about twelve thousand dollars for
a new water meter, and that was a couple of
years ago. So it wouldn't surprise me today that if you,
you know, are subdividing or doing a development, that each
individual water meter probably cost you somewhere around fourteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (31:11):
Yeah. It's pretty amazing, really, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Is it is? Sorry? Was that your question though, buddy?

Speaker 9 (31:17):
Yeah, No, the thing was about lady. Haven't excuse me
of you lady having her.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Cost Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
So I'm just wondering, is that standard costs throughout New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Now I don't know that there is such a thing
as a standard cost. I suppose the other question is
did when she purchased the property, did she know that
there was outstanding there was an outstanding CCC that she
would have to deal with, or is this something that

(31:52):
perhaps she wasn't informed about and now she's had to
incur those costs.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
I think that I'm not too sure because I don't
have a full fact, but I think and that's probably
eighty percent of older houses around Southland that had never
had a CCC or whatever. That's what I'm talking about.
The cost of getting counseled. A fishery ones now cost

(32:20):
just wady seven greens.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Now I must have. Over the last I don't know,
four to five years, I've probably changed my attitude about
it as well, in the sense that, you know, going
back a couple of years, if someone said to me,
I'll look you a friend or colleague or someone an
acquaintance would say to me, hey, look, I'm interested in
this property and I've noticed that there's a building consent

(32:43):
that hasn't been signed off, doesn't have a CCC, I'd go, okay, well, look,
you know you've got to be a bit cautious about it.
But maybe it's something you could resolve when you purchase
the property. But getting them is much more complicated than
it used to be, and increasingly i'd say you've got
to be really cautious about buying a property where you know,

(33:05):
if you read through the live this is where you
can often find this information. Right, So if you're interested
in the property, you request the LIMB, the land Information Memorandum,
and typically it will then after a couple of pages,
list any resource consents that were issued for the property.
Then it will list any built It'll list both building
permits and building consents. Building permits don't have cccs attached

(33:26):
to them, so that's fine. If there's a building consent
that's been issued so typically post nineteen ninety one, and
if it says in the notes on the side CCC
not issued, you've really got to go. I've got to
investigate that because there can be a tremendous amount of
work involved now in getting those cccs resolved.

Speaker 9 (33:48):
Yeah, the council was really good about it.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Pete, Well, yeah, I'm sure they'd be helpful. But yeah,
also a thing just seven grand.

Speaker 9 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, and she had she got an expert to
get it through council for her because she was incapable
of being able to do that. Yeah, on highly technical work. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Look, I've been involved with one case where a CCC
from roughly what was it, two thousand and two didn't
get signed off. There's a whole lot of complexity around it,
and in the end we've had to engage a registered
building survey to undertake some work to prove compliance right

(34:33):
so to counsel. So yeah, you're having to go out
engage other professionals to convince counsel that there is the
compliance issues that they might have concerns about have been results.
So again, it's just layer upon layer of regulation complexity
and obviously costs that comes along with it. So you know,

(34:54):
I'm not saying I'm not in any way saying to
someone hey, look, don't buy a property. I'm just saying,
if you're going to do it and it's got an
unresolved CECC, then absolutely go into it with your eyes
wide open.

Speaker 9 (35:07):
Because I'm an old chippy in the South right trade,
third Advance BAT trade I did, and the New Zealand
certificate building in the early seventies. So yes, I've still
got a pretty good average knowledge of what's going on.
But yeah, it was I just thought it was a
hell of a tough charge for her because she on
a peach and almost she's now almost broke.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
That's tough, right. Interesting in your comment there, John about
advanced Trade certificate, I have to say that's one of
the things that I wish we still had so to
the best of my knowledge, right now, you know, I've
got my trade certificate, it's from a long time ago,
but there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to sort

(35:53):
of do advanced trade now without it becoming a tertiary
qualification that's much more academic focused. So there are courses
at the moment like Bachelor of Construction and things like that,
which are great, but they're not quite the same as
the Advanced Trade And I know it was around not
long after I did my NZTC, my New Zealand Trade

(36:17):
Certificate and carpentry, but and I didn't do it then
because I was too busy working. And now I'd like
to do something like that just to kind of stretch myself.
But it's not, to the best of my knowledge, it's
not out there anymore unless someone can put me right
on that, which I would love to be wrong, but
I think right now there's not the opportunity. Hey John,
nice talking with you as always, and I'll file away

(36:40):
that seven thousand dollars fee for a CCC. I mean
there's always there's always a fee for processing, like typically
if you've had your final inspection, the final inspection has passed.
Then it's the other thing to really emphasize if you're

(37:01):
let's say you're doing a renovation, right and you are
the homeowner, You've contracted your builders, etc. To do the work.
Unless you've specifically said in your contract that it's the
responsibility the contractor to get the CCC, it becomes your
responsibility as the homeowner. And I think that sometimes homeowners

(37:23):
are not aware of that, and so it tends to
go into the g I'm sick of the building, I've
had enough of the builders, I've done all this work,
I've spent all this money, blah blah blah blah blah,
and so the CCC application goes in the top draw,
never to be seen again. Although someone so I got
an email the other day saying from someone who listens

(37:46):
to the show going, Look, we've just completed a renovation
and then we got a letter from council saying we
have to get our application for CCC in within sixty days.
I did actually go through and read as much as
I could. I can't see any statutrue requirement to do that,
but apparently council are insisting that people get their CCC
and within sixty ends, which, to be fair, is probably

(38:07):
not a bad idea, but it is the homeowner's responsibility
to get it done. And so the CCC application includes
things like producer statements, warranties, PS threes, PS fours. All
of that needs to be submitted to counsel goes through
the processing. Once they've completed that, they'll issue you with

(38:29):
an invoice. Typically, I always thought it was around two
to three thousand dollars, not seven thousand dollars, and once
you've paid that, they'll send you out the CCC. Certainly
these days, make sure you get it done. That's my advice. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call back after the break.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Whether you're padium of stealing, fixing affairs, or wondering how
to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter Wolf
capit call on ten eighty the resident builder on Youth TALKSTB,
You and News Talks B and Sean A very good morning.

Speaker 10 (39:02):
Ah you going, Peter, Hey, just so I give you
a call, good timing. I've just got to a question
regarding CCC. Sure, long story short, brought a place last
year and that had a balcony input by the previous
owners that had counsel approval. It was on the the
LIM report all the pack that was fine, but they

(39:24):
never actually went and got the c c C right.
So I'm just wondering what your advice would be in
terms of, you know, do I ask for an inspection
or do I get a build at first to come
around and check it out before then applying to council
to get the CCC. And how would you best approach that?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, really good question. So do you have a copy
of the building consent that went along with the balcony?

Speaker 11 (39:54):
I believe so, Yeah, there was a bunch of there's
a bunch of drawn up plans and I tried to
I don't yes a bit of a novel, So I
tried to find actual consent on the page like sheet
that came through with the property. But the only thing
I could see was on the li report it said
balcony approved but not see not finned off yep. So

(40:17):
that there's like drawings and the builder's plans and all
that in the paperwork. So it's a bit of a
bugbear I have to get around at doing. But I
just wanted to skip through.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah, you do actually have to be a little bit
tactical and strategic rather right now, and I'm very aware
of time. Look, I here's what I would do. Go
to council, request the property file and get a complete
copy of the building consent. Then I'd probably get a

(40:46):
builder to come and have a look and see whether
or not the work that's been done is in accordance
with the building consent. If there's anything that they identify
that you need to fix, fix it first, then invite
counsel then as see if there's an inspection record, did
a final inspection take place and did the final inspection pass?

(41:10):
If the final inspection passed, then it's kind of just paperwork.
But you will need when was the work done? I
tell you what, can you just stand the line because
there is a bit of complexity around this, and we're
not I don't want to rush through this, which I'll
need to do because we've got new sport and weather
top of the hour and just a couple of minutes

(41:31):
back after the seven o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcam, the resident builder on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Your News Talks dB. Good morning, welcome back to the program.
My name's Pete wolf Camp, resident build out with you
right through till nine o'clock this morning. We've got no
specific interviews today, so plenty of time for your calls,
but now's a great time to call. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, you can text nine two nine two,
and if you'd like to email me, it's Pete at
Newstalk SEDB dot co dot nz. Just before the new

(42:06):
we started to talk to Sean who has in summary
I think tell me if I've got the details right.
Seawan purchased a house last year. There's a balcony. So
is it a balcony or is it a deck that's
been built. It's a deck, yeah, how high is the deck?

Speaker 11 (42:28):
Well, it's underneath it, okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
And so a building consent was issued for the work
and that's kind of all that you know in a sense,
isn't it. So building consent was issued, the work was done,
nobody followed through and did the CCC. You've purchased the
property and you want to get the CCC resolved, which
is good idea. So given that you didn't undertake the work,

(42:56):
I would do you feel that you could go back
to the previous owner and just go, look, I'm trying
to sort this out. I'm not casting any judgments or
anything like that, but could you provide me with as
much information as you possibly can. I'd probably start there.
In the event that maybe they're reluctant to give you
information or they don't have it through their own fault

(43:17):
or whatever, then I'd go back to council and go, look,
can I request a copy of the building consent? Get
a builder to have a look at the building consent
and compare that to the work that's done. If they
figure out that actually it looks like it's supposed to.
It's got the right posts, it's got the right brackets, etc. Etc.

(43:40):
And also then go and see whether within that building
consent there's the inspection records. So for example, for a
job like that, I would expect that council would have
come on site to have a look at the posts
that are holding it up. So they would have come along,
looked and seen that, you know, the size of them,

(44:01):
the depth of them, the grounding of them is all compliant,
and they would have past that inspection. Let's hope that
that's the case, right. The sort of the worst case scenario,
and I'm really genuine and hoping that this isn't the case,
is that a building consent was issued, the work was undertaken,
but nobody ever got counsel around to do any inspections,

(44:23):
in which case you've got a much harder pathway to
compliance because you can have to prove that the work
is done properly as opposed to being able to go
to the inspection records and finding you know, footing inspection past.
And realistically that might be about the only one. The
other big issue that they'll be looking at is how
the handrail is constructed. There'll be some very specific details

(44:47):
around how the boundary joist is constructed, how the uprights
are bolted to that, et cetera, etc. So, again, building consent,
get a builder to have a look at it, try
and get as much information as possible. If there's in
the inspection record there was a final inspection and it
was a part, that's great. If there was a final

(45:08):
inspection and there was a fail and then there was
a remedial list issued, just go through with your builder
and go, okay, what are the things that we need
to fix, an extra bolt here or there, whatever, Get
all of that done, then book a recheck on the
final inspection. I would suggest it's worth paying your builder

(45:29):
or a professional to be there with you so that
they can argue or they can discuss and encourage counsel
along the right path. If council, then if the final
if there's a fail on the final inspection and you
get a recheck and you get a pass, then you
still need to provide predominantly things like a record of

(45:57):
works from the carpenter, the LBP who did the work,
either did or supervised it. That's probably If there's any
speci engineering in it, you might need to get a
statement from the engineer to say that the work has
been done in accordance with their design, and then you
can put all of that together and get a CCC.

(46:18):
I'm making it sound really onerous, and it can be,
but hopefully it doesn't necessarily need to be.

Speaker 11 (46:25):
No, no, I was rare that this might be a
bit of a drama, but yeah, that kind of makes sense.

Speaker 10 (46:31):
So yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
I'm always curious as to how these things get on.
So if you do make some progress, let us know
how you get on.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Ah.

Speaker 11 (46:41):
Yeah, yeah, I've listened to you all the time, so
I'll give you a buzzy.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Appreciate it. Nice one. All the very best you Sean,
take care, sir. Bye, way you and B. Twelve minutes
after seven, Mary Anne, thanks for wading. Good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (46:57):
Hello, Hi, I think Marke made I think my call
is going to be much more worrying than the previous
caller and will be more onerous. I am living in
a family member's home and has become aware that the

(47:18):
alteration done about twelve to fifteen years ago now to
remove a wall and open up a kitchen to make
a fiction diner, and was done without a permit. My
understanding is that it was was done by a licensed

(47:42):
builder who used a practicing engineer. But it's a two
story house and.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yeah, the ground wall that was removed, of course.

Speaker 12 (48:01):
So my my consume, my reason for phoning is that
how do you if the family, if they've always decided
to sell this house, is it illegal?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
You know, yeah, I certainly understand your concerns, and I
don't mean to make all of this sound really alarmist,
but I think what people run into is, let's say,
like you're aware and you would have to as a
duty to declare to a real estate agent. Look, I'm

(48:39):
aware that this work was done and it didn't get
the appropriate consents, and so it may well be unconsented work.
It's unlikely that the work would be something that could
be done under Schedule one of the Act, which allows
you to do certain types of work on a house
without necessarily getting a building consent. I think removing a

(49:01):
ground floor wall typically would always require a building consent,
so it hasn't been done. The good thing is there
was an LBP involved. Bad thing is that LBP back
then should have known that you needed to get a
building consent. But they did engage with an engineer. So
potentially there's a pathway where you could provide evidence to

(49:23):
counsel that would satisfy them that the work was done
to the standard, and you could apply for a certificate
of acceptance, but you will have to provide evidence that
the work was done in accordance with the building code,
and that's not always an easy process. The other thing

(49:43):
is that you can do none of that, put the
property on the market to the best of buy knowledge,
and just declare that, hey, look there are some issues.
What you will find though, and again discussions with friends
over the last little while, is maybe insurers are reluctant
to ensure or lenders are reluctant to lend on a

(50:08):
property that they are not sure meets all of the
code requirements, in which case, you know, you limit your buyers,
or you're going to have someone who's just going to
take that non compliance and use that to drive down
the price so you can sell. But I suppose you'd

(50:30):
look at it and go, you probably won't get what
you deserve for the house if you're selling it with
these issues unresolved.

Speaker 12 (50:40):
But it can the boys can try and get that.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Oh absolutely absolutely, and it might be something they can
sort of work their way through themselves, or you could,
you know, scout around and find possibly an LBP or
more likely actually a building server who would come on board.
They do an assessment, they request all of the documents

(51:09):
from council. They try and find copies. You know, if
do you think that the person who had the work
done or who was kind of in charge at the
time would have kept things like notes or drawings from
the engineer, would the LBP still be available, and would
they have any records. You know, we're not talking ancient history.

(51:31):
It's only twelve years ago. You know. Again, if they
can provide you with some evidence that the work was
done properly, you could present that council along with probably
what they're One of the things that most likely to
request is an updated plan of the house. So you
need to get a drafts person or an architect to
draw it and show it as it actually is today.

(51:54):
There's a number of hoops to jump through, but it's
not impossible, right, thank you. Yeah, but it's gird your loins.
It is quite the process, all right, on board. Yeah,
that's right, that's right, all right, all the the best.

(52:15):
You take care, see Mary and Baba. Then it's an
old phrase that lots of people will understand what the
context is. Pete read the wall removed in a two
story building, an engineer out Trump's building, inspector every day
of the week. Surely that may well be true, Muzz.
But an engineer who's done some calcs on a building

(52:36):
but didn't doesn't mean that you don't need a building consent.
That's what it comes down to. Oh, wait, one eighty
the number to call. Quite a couple of texts, and
we'll take a short break before we talk to Marie Pete.
Do stainless steel shower trays have a finer life? The
one in my house is at least forty years old
and has always been dried after use, the the rest

(52:57):
of the text disappears or the underside of the house
is dry. To be fair, I can't think of a
failure that I've ever encounter with a stainless se or
shower tray. Maybe, if you like, if you're working with
a drill above it and you dropped it and it
went through the stainless, But otherwise, not to be fair,
they're pretty indestructible, so no, I think they last a

(53:21):
long long time. Morning Pete. Hearing you talk about the
unsigned ccs, why is it that so many new builds
are not signed off? And then the text goes on
something about councils. So the current require as I understand it,
and I'm open to some discussion around the veracity of this.

(53:42):
Let's say, if you are a developer or a builder
who's a developer and you're building houses to sell, so
you're essentially a developer speculator, and you've done's say, a
townhouse development, and you've got it on the market because
your intent is to sell the property for profit, that's

(54:04):
your business. The building must have CCC in order to sell. If,
for example, you're a homeowner and you've had you've built
your own house and you've managed all the contractors, or
if you're a homeowner and you've had extensive renovations or
renovations done which require a building consent, you're responsible for
getting the CCC. If you don't do it, then those

(54:28):
properties are the ones that will sometimes end up going
back on the market, going to market without the CCC. So,
but I'm very aware that all developers must get a
CCC before they can sell the houses. Actually, this is

(54:48):
an interesting one too, just on Marianne's before we go
to the break, someone has suggested just put the wall back,
and that might be the path of least resistance, isn't it.
If the wall's been removed, and that's an issue. Put
the wall back. Good thinking. I like you thinking, Bill,
Thank you for that. Simple solutions are often the best

(55:10):
onesday twenty minutes after seven. Will take your calls, Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with peta wolfcat call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty US talk zedb.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
You on new Talks edb someone else's text through a
story that appeared in the newspaper this week about ko
kind of spending seven or eight million dollars on some
new one bedroom container style homes that were imported from
off shore. How can it be? Where are the efficiencies
we'd be better off buying motor homes. I don't agree

(55:47):
with you there, David, but yes, that's worthy of discussion
as well. We might get round to that. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Call and Marie,
good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Good morning, Pea, Hey there, how are you doing.

Speaker 13 (56:01):
I'm good, thank you. I've got a question about retaining walls,
but I'll just give you some context around my issue.
I'm in Auckland on a residential large lot zone, and
my neighbor has excavated on the boundary, making a one
meter cut from the boundary and a depth of two
and a half meters. The land on the boundary is slipping,

(56:25):
so I contacted council. Two compliance officers came out and
did them had hot measurements from my side of the property,
and then their boss emailed me consuming that no breach
has been identified and the file was closed based on
the following So I'll just quote the cut was measured

(56:45):
at approximately three meters from the boundary fence and two
the land disturbance is far enough away from the boundary
line and the height of the cut is not such
as to raise concerns around stability at the boundary. I
wasn't happy with this pete, so I decided to engage
the services of my own engineer.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
He visited did a report.

Speaker 13 (57:08):
For me confirming that the cutters one meter from the
boundary and the depth is two and a half meters,
and he stated that a retaining war is required. I
went back to the senior compliance officer and as the
council would revisit the site and redo their measurements, and
that I've conducted my own engineer's report and the measurements

(57:30):
differ from what council has said, and the compliance officer
replied instead their compliance. Their compliance officers are trained to
investigate and a best compliance with the relevant legislation. We're
not qualified land surveyors with geotechnical engineers. Councils simply do

(57:50):
not have the resources to provide specialist input on the
multitude of cases that we deal with. Produced supplier copy
of the engineer's reports. So Pete, I wasn't prepared to
share the report for a couple of reasons. It was
prepared for me, and I paid definitely, I'd paid a
sizable amount of for it, and I also felt that

(58:13):
council should have actually done their job properly and got
the measurements right. So since then, the land has continued
to slip and the neighbors now sand bagged the boundary.
So I escalated the matter to the team leader Compliance
and all Aukland, and he responded and said Council's position

(58:35):
is still the same the style of clothes. Council don't
contract engineering or geotechnical advice. We reserve this suspense for
serious cases. Re Enforcement action at the upper limit would
be entered into Any further information with relation to this
site will always be appreciated, although we may.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
Not reply to it.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
I pay.

Speaker 13 (58:59):
My question is what can I do to prevent any
more of my land slipping away? I can't engage with
the neighbor. It's not a reasonable to deal with. Can
I don't want to go down the legal route. So
I could build a retaining wall and put the big
post on the inside of the boundary on my side.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
I yes, you could. Let's just go back to council's response, right,
I mean, listening to what you're saying, it seems like
what the council compliance officers, and they'd be like resource
consents compliance monitoring officers, right, who might have come out,

(59:45):
had a look at it and made their determination that
what they've measured versus what your engineer has measured staggeringly different. Right,
So unless something's significantly changed, I'm struggling to understand how
one person's measurements are so different to another. And even
if the council officer is not any engineer or a

(01:00:07):
land surveyor you know, measurements a measurements, right, It's I'm
staggered by that. Part of me is not surprised but
I'm still just a little bit staggered. I wonder whether
the fact that you've engaged a professional geotech engineer who
has provided you with evidence that there is work that's

(01:00:28):
been done that should require a retaining wall, et cetera.
I mean, if you're talking about from your boundary one
meter into your neighbor's property, they've excavated down two and
a half meters, is that what you're saying?

Speaker 13 (01:00:39):
That's right? And it fills up like a swimming pool, piez,
So in the winter, I get that worried about children.
I haven't got children, but any child in there, it
fills up like a swimming pool.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
So, and that bank is unretained, No.

Speaker 13 (01:00:57):
No retaining whatsoever in the sense there is just a
wire and a batt in sense.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Yeah, okay, I mean on any number of metrics. You know, everybody,
anyone listening to the show who's got any sort of
practical knowledge or insight into this will go. Of course,
that requires a retaining wall. I'm just wondering whether before

(01:01:23):
it gets closed out. I think the response from council
is not up to part, not up to stand it.
I think that if have you forwarded to counsel the
letter from the engineer and the opinion from the engineer.

Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
No, I didn't. I felt my position was they should
come out and re measure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Because when the yeah, no, I think you've got to
take the upper hand. I would suggest you take the
upper hand. So with the consent of the engineer who's
prepared the report for you, and in fact, I would
possibly get the engineer to act on your behalf to
send a letter as a you know engineer CPI NZ

(01:02:07):
you know Certified Professional Engineers DA DA DA DA DA,
send that directly to the person who said no further
action required, with a letter saying I've done this investigation.
These are my findings. I believe that the work does
require a engineering or it does require a retaining wall.
I think the council need to act on this because

(01:02:29):
the person has done work that they're not not allowed
to do without having a building consent, and then the
professional weight of their opinion should prompt counsel to take
some action. So I would that would be the next way.

Speaker 13 (01:02:46):
When the two boys came out to do the initial measurements,
they sort of just splid the tape measure from my
side over to the end and really do a good
you know, I didn't think it was a quality service.

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
Look, either way, I think the fact that you've engaged
a professional engineer to undertake the serve and determine what
should happen. I would send that to counsel and go, hey, look,
appreciate what you're saying, but I've engaged this professional and
their opinion is that it does require a consent or

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it does more importantly, the neighbor's got to shore up
their property, right. So it's really clear in the legislation
if you're doing an excavation of more than one point
five meters, certainly if you're within a meter of the boundary,
it's what they call a line of inference, right, So
from the bottom of their cut for forty five degrees.

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Anything above that line is unstable. So if you're one
meter out and two and a half meters down, then
a big chunk of your land becomes destabilized by the
neighbor's action. That's not permissible, right, It's even I can
tell you that. So I think send the documents from
the engineer with their permission to counsel and see what

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the response is.

Speaker 13 (01:04:04):
Right, thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Y alrighty, all the very best. Okay, you take care,
see you then. Crikey, crikey, crikey, crikey. That's quite Pete
says the Texter. Sounds like council got the measurements around
the wrong way. But how, I mean, seriously, how it's

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a vast difference in two people measuring exactly the same
thing and basically getting it completely round the wrong way. Staggering. Um,
we're talking a bit about load bearing walls or non
load bearing walls. In this instance, here we have a

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non load bearing wall in a two story complex which
the registered engineer was permitted to be able to remove
most of it without notif of it with notification to
counsel of the change. Well, that's interesting. Look, if it's
not load bearing, and you've had professional advice as to
why it's not, you just to say that's not load

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bearing with no knowledge or or planning, then yeah, you
can remove a load bearing wall, but you just have
to get your documentation right. You have to get some
evidence that that's the case, and then you could argue
that that work can be done undershed you one of
the act, but you still need the professional to work

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through that. Oh eight hundred eighty the number to call Mansh.
Good morning to you, Good morning, Good morning, Minish. How
are you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
I'm good and good, thank you. Mans I have a
question on the insurance. I live in an unit of
a title in an apartment complex where the body corporate
has covered the standard insurance, plus they have an additional

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cover on landlord chattels and the loss of friends. The
problem is that the apartment has caught a mix of
owner occupied and the rental units. Now they charge the
basia is charging everyone the same amount of money, and

(01:06:23):
I asked them whether it is compulsory to cover the
landlord chattels and loss of rent because it's basically oriented
towards the rental properties. He came back to me and
said that the insurance doesn't charge anything additional, which obviously

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you can't believe that. And the second thing is they
are not very clear whether it is legally required to
cover the landlord chattels and loss of rent by the
body corporate. So I just wanted to have a clarity
on whether it is legally required cover these two things

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by the body corporate.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
I'll be really honest and say it's not my area
of expertise. I think that you know body corporates. Unfortunately,
you don't have to talk to many people around this
issue before you realize that body corporates can be somewhat
night maarish that in some cases the actual agreements are

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not particularly good or the management thereof is not particularly good.
I guess I'd look at it and go, it's a
little bit curious that you, as an owner occupier, are paying.
You're right, it's hard to imagine that somehow your premium
isn't subsidizing someone who might be an owner of a

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property for rental purposes, and you're then subsidizing their insurance
in case they don't have any tenants in there and
or they lose rental income from it, and you, as
an owner occupy, why would you want to subsidize that.
You know, if you're occupying the property, then that's of

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no concern to you what your neighbor might do with it.
I think in the end it'll be you'd have to
go through the actual body corporate agreement and it possibly
it's in there, in which case you, by purchasing and
agreeing to be part of the body corporate, have agreed
to it, even if it's news to you now or

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it's not in there, in which case you could try
and argue that well, my insurance premiums and all of
us who are owner occupiers should be slightly different than
those people who are landlords. But it'll be in the detail,
you know what. To some degree what my opinion is
kind of irrelevant. It'll be there in the body corporate.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
They checked up the body corporate agreement, which they gave
me a letter when it was you, Yes, it doesn't
say anything about that. And the other thing is when
when we had a chat they said, now we can't.
We don't the picture. Let know which is owner of
which is rental, but everybody has to share. It's the

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kind of en hands of it's required and probably I'm
not sure whether it is legally required or would would
be the other options. Probably should we go and ask
somebody's legally.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
I'm a bit curious about that too. I would have
thought that in a body corporate, the body corporate administrators,
and that might be someone in house as in members.
You know, people that occupy the building form the body corporate,
or maybe there's a body corporate structure that exists outside
of the people that occupy. You'd want to have some

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insight as to how many apartments within the complex are
owner occupied or rental and in some cases, because you know,
I know that some body corporates, for example, have an
agreement whereby they'll exclude people who want to do you know,
short term lets, airbn B and the like, because they
don't want the building occupied in that way, so there'll

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be an exclusion clause or yeah, look again it is
it's a legal and sort of academic matter rather than
a practical one. I think you're going to have to
look through the body corporate and potentially you're going to
end up having to get your own legal advices to
what you're responsible for and whether or not the body

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corporate is being administered in the way that it's intended to.
And that sounds like another issue that you can have
to deal with there. I wish you well with that. Yeah,
good luck on that. Thanks finish. It is seven thirty
eight almost in fact, right now it is seven thirty nine.
We'll take a short break. We'll be back with John
after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Wants measure twice, God wants but maybe call Pete first.
Video All gab the resident Builder News Talk said, be you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
And News Talks they'd be. We're talking, well, we're talking
a lot of talk this morning about cccs, about compliance,
and in this particular instance from Marie's call earlier on,
essentially about a rogue neighbor who's gone and done some
excavations within reasonable proximity to her boundary and at a
depth that I think would require a retaining wall. So

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that's what we're talking about a little bit this morning
on the program as well. John, Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, good morning, John. I'd like to after I've talked
about this other one, I'd like to just have a
quick say about livery thoughts and lawyers. Yes, this one,
the core before the one.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
It's the retaining wall or the lack of retaining wall
on the boundary.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Now, you know, everybody knows the requirements for a retaining
wall to start with, and as well as that, some
some officers came out and they took some measurements. Now now, now,
surely it was to defining the boundary. If I was
that lady, I might be wrong here, But if I
was that lady, I would I would get a server

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and I would actually define with boundary peats, sure, the
actual boundary line. That's what I would get and then
if she if she's if she's done that and she's
proved to be right coming out taking a few measurements,
if she's proved to be right, then she can also

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then get an engineer to design the appropriate retaining wall
and shee's on the right side, then as well, now
she can put that to the council and they can't
deny that, and she could end up having this road
neighbor having to pay for the whole bloody lot. It's
a matter about getting facts and figures.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
Yeah, that's right, And that's that's where I'm saying to her.
You know, rather than do anything yourself at this stage,
you know you'd go back to counsel and go, hey,
here's okay. So if you're not a professional, I've engaged
a professional, being the engineer who has come done some
site measurements determined that it does require a retaining wall
which obviously hasn't been built. Therefore you do need to act.

(01:13:26):
You can't just go I'm sorry, we're not going to
do anything, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You've still got to define if they came out and
took some measurements.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yeah, sure, you've got to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Define the boundary line. To know exactly where the cut
is in relation to the boundary life.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
I mean, there is a fence, and so typically we
tend to go, oh, the fence is the boundary. Now
I know that not all fences are on the boundary, right,
So you're right. If she's going to push further on that,
she'll have to determine the boundary to prove the location
and the proximity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
And to do that, she's got to employ a server
to define the boundary line.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Now the other thing about lime reports. Yes, yeah, we
know if you're buying a property and then you obtained
a liver report of land information memorandum. Now what gets
me In a lot of cases you get that so
that you get you're paying a lawyer, then the convancing
lawyer to peruse that land information memorandum to say that

(01:14:28):
it's all in accordance and and tikeny boo for you
the wants to buy the property. And I think a
lot of these lawyers, if it's proved later on that
they missed something, you know, you shouldn't be able to
go them about it. You're not what I'm staying here.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
Yeah, And I'm sure in some cases people have done that.
I'm aware of one situation, it was a number of
years ago, like twenty odd years ago, where someone purchased
a property that was in this instance, it was I'm
just pulling some numbers out of a hat, right, let's
say it was it was twelve hundred and thirty six
square meter. That's what it was advertised as when they

(01:15:10):
purchased the property, because at that stage that allows you
to do X number of developments on it, et cetera.
When they actually purchased the property and sent it to
their designer to draw up the subdivision, the guy went, hey,
actually it's only eleven hundred and sixty and so that
purchaser successfully sued both the lawyer and the real estate agent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Yeah, But I think in terms of I mean LIMB reports,
you can request a LIMB report really easily, right and
have a read through them. Typically, they basically almost always
say almost exactly the same thing. You know, they should
have a copy of the title attached to them. They
are a useful record of but all they'll say is

(01:15:57):
whether a building consent has been issued and whether or
not that building consent has got a CCC. You need
to go through and get like the property file in
order to find copies in some cases of the building consents.
I must admit i've read a couple recently. It's quite
interesting now because building inspections are done electronically, so I've

(01:16:22):
was reading through one property file the other day where
literally every single inspection report was included, which was really
really helpful because they're quite comprehensive. Right building inspector turns
up on site, they write some notes, they take some photographs.
You could see inspection reports for pre line, for footings,

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all of the discussions, everything was included. You end up
with a lot of information to read. But it's amazing
what's now available in a property file, which is great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
To be fair, yeah, I agree with you, and I
think that that's all well and good too, But a
lot of these councils have had fires, they've had bloody flooding,
and I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Go, I shouldn't laugh at you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
And you want to get you're a person and you've
bought a house and this is back your lawyer buying
a house, do without the bloody liver repoort. But but
you go back and they've got they've lost all of them
on your records.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Hey, look, you and I have probably both been around
long enough that inevitably, you know, you talk to anyone
and they've approached counsels, and it can be from Bluff
to Kaitaia, right, and inevitably someone goes, oh, I went
to council to look for the reports, but they were
lost in the fire. It seems like every single council
right across the country has had a massive fire and lost.

(01:17:52):
I've heard that from it so many it's hilarious and Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
If you want it, if you want to obtain, if
you want to get a building, said to do some
work on the bloody house. Of course the first thing
they want they want up to they drawings the whole
bloody house. How much would that cost to do it?
You know? The snow comeback on saying to the to
the council, will look, you had a copy of the

(01:18:17):
pants and you've lost them. You're supposed to repay those
for future. I know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Again, most councils have started to or are well underway
with digitizing all of their records, so that that you know,
that should prevent the all lost the file in the
in the fire type scenario. We got to move on, John,
I always enjoy talking with you. And yes, the great fire,

(01:18:45):
every single council has had one. I'm amazed that any
of their buildings are still standing. To be fair, it's
ten minutes away from it. Back after the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Break doing other house sorting the garden, asked Pete for
a hand. The resident builder with Peter WOLFKEAP calls you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
And news talks. That'd be open line on all things
building and construction level.

Speaker 8 (01:19:07):
Very good morning, Good morning, Pete. How sweet one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Let's hope. So let's see how we.

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Can alminium rant slider YEP with the wooden still underneath.
It's a bit over two meters long, yes, and it's
just dropped away at one end and there's a concrete
path underneath it. I can't clamp it. And I'm looking
for some recommendation on how to pull them together and

(01:19:36):
what good strong glue wash should use.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
What which two surfaces are you looking to pull together?
Is it the jam liner that's come away from the
extrusion or no.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
It's come away from the wooden bat and down the
side of the extrusion or I'm not sure the name.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Of sorry inside or outside outside ah, So is it
the Do you think it's the frame that's moving or
is it the cladding that's moving, or like the like
a facing that might be around the outside edge of
the aluminium frame.

Speaker 8 (01:20:17):
Yes, it is the vertical facing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:20:21):
And it's the wooden sill that is underneath the aluminium joinery.
They've just come apart.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Right, So when they were originally constructed, were they fastened
together or does this the facing just come down and
sit on top of the sill.

Speaker 8 (01:20:43):
I think it just comes down and sits on top
of the cell.

Speaker 5 (01:20:46):
Right. What's the cladding on the outside of the house Neville?

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
It's the imitation linear oh, yep?

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Okay? And is there a so we you've you've got
the aluminium window, then you've got a facing which sits
on the side of it. And then is there a scriber?

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
No, No, it's an aluminium door right slider yep. And
there's an actual wooden sill underneath the door.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
And it's between between the frame and the sill that's
come apart. It's only a teen seen a meter gap.
But I've got nowhere clemping it up right, and I
want to know what's to when I kind of work
that out what it's to use.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Yeah, look at two pot of poxies like Bostic make one,
Ados make one for exterior use will bond those areas together,
but obviously you need to be able to clamp them
together somehow, which might just be a case of putting
a block underneath and then a wedge that will allow

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you to drive it up and once it's you know
what I mean, if you can get a block underneath
it and then cut a wedge and then use the
wedge to push that sill up. If that's the case,
I'm a little unclear as to exactly how that's going
to go. But in terms of exterior there's repair care
as well, but I think in terms of bonding, you'd

(01:22:15):
probably want to go for a two potter POxy for
exterior work, and there's plenty of those. You can buy
a little small containers of them at any any hardware store,
so that might be the go and Evil thank you
and all the best. With that, we'll come back and
talk to Jimmy straight after News, Sport and weather. Top
of the r got a bunch of texts and we
should really talk about catching up with the Prime Minister

(01:22:37):
this week, which I happened to do, which was delightful.
Right back after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with Feds, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter
Wolfgampa call on eight hundred ten eighty, the resident builder
on youth dogs'b Well, let's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Get amongst it, folks. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a building question that you would like
to discuss, or I'll have a good crack at giving
you an answer, then the lines are open. The number
is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Remember, at around eight
thirty this morning, we'll jump into the garden who had
climb past is with us, and we'll talk all things

(01:23:14):
gardening and the wonderful world of bugs as well. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty right now is the number
to call. Just on that earlier call from Neville about
the rain ranch slider and wanting to do some adhesive,
someone suggested seek a flex one one eight extreme grab Mike.

(01:23:34):
I haven't used that, so that's interesting. I might have
a look for that. There's also the gorilla grip ones
as well, including someones that bond quite quickly like one
hour two hour set, but I'll have a look for that.
I love this one from OZ and two. We talked
about councils and the Great Fire. Allmost all councils will

(01:23:55):
have said this to someone asking for property records or files,
building consent files, and that all councils must have an
incinerator out the back called Mount Martin Great Balls Fire.
Each time they look like they might be liable to file,
they file the paperwork in Martin's Trade. Thanks for that, Owen.
That's great, it's hilarious. A couple of other quick texts

(01:24:18):
as well. Yes, I should get around to talking about
the KO story that was in the news this week
about the container homes and the cost. Thank you to
HJ who's text. Through Trade certificates and advanced trade certificates
have been replaced by New Zealand certificates and diplomas. We're
just talking about the fact that when I went through
and did my trade certificate, you could do advanced trade.

(01:24:41):
But I guess that's changed now, so now it all
becomes carpentry qualifications. So in order to be qualified as
a carpenter now you have to have a level four qualification.
But I think there is some ability to extend beyond that,
which I think is great. It's that whole professional development, right.
We want to keep we want people to keep learning.

(01:25:03):
That's what I think is really important that you know,
Like my case, I think I did my MZTC in
carpentry in gosh, it might be like nineteen ninety one,
ninety two, something like that. You know, it'd be great
if there I know with LBP and in order to
continue to RELICNSE we have to prove learning. But I
think it'd be great if there were more courses, formal

(01:25:26):
courses that allowed people to do some learning to keep
up their knowledge as well. Certainly i'd appreciate that pete.
Two thousand and eight tile roof. Do I need to
get it recoated? Or is that just a myth? Well
it might depend on individual circumstance, but I would suggest
that something that was installed in two thousand and eight

(01:25:46):
probably won't require recoating for a long time. I mean,
no one property where I look after which has got
a concrete tile roof from nineteen sixty seven. Now that's
got no glaze left on it at all anymore. So yes,
there's probably a benefit to having that recodd, but I
think it looks like it's got a glaze, then I

(01:26:07):
would leave it alone. Someone's text through Pete We've got
tryboard in some of our office and have been told
by our contractor doing some more work that it's no
longer available. Heard you discussing it recently, So is it
back on the market. Well, to be fair, it's never
been off the market, so I think your contractor is

(01:26:29):
either ill informed or just can't be bothered finding out.
But no, Tryboard's around and always has been, so the
best bet is to go online, have a look at
JNL dot co dot nz. That's Duke in New Zealand,
and then you'll find either local stockers or you'll be
able to order tryboard through most of your local merchants.

(01:26:50):
But certainly the Tryboard's still around without a doubt, because
even I've been using it recently, so yep, it is
most definitely still around. Hope you get that sorted with
your contractor and sh did I want to offer up
an opinion about the pack and Save and Highland Park dispute?

(01:27:12):
Oh fascinating, Probably not the space on the show to
talk about it, but I did read that article with
interest in the same way that I read the article
about the container houses in Rotorua. We may have some
discussion about that. Pet Can you explain why building a
house is so expensive in New Zealand compared to other
countries the United States? Can you give a breakdown percentage

(01:27:36):
wise of council fees, resource consents, etc. On a new build?
Is it also because of lack of competition for building supplies? Look,
it's probably a little bit of all of those things.
But you've got to remember too that we are a
tiny market, right you know, in the United States, I've
seen subdivisions where developers will be building two thousand houses

(01:27:56):
all at once. Right now, we don't have that scale.
And I suspect that scale is a large part of
the reason that things are quite unaffordable or relatively expensive
in New Zealand by comparison to other countries. The fact
that we keep wanting to do everything bespoke makes it expensive.

(01:28:17):
In fact, that was part of the discussion we were
having at Stark Windows this week. So I went to
Stark Windows, which are both aluminium and UPC fabricator, and
I was invited along and because as it happened, the
Prime Minister Christoph Luxeant was due to do a factory
tour and going along with that was Chris Pink and

(01:28:40):
one other member of parliament who were going through for
the factory tour, and so funnily enough, that was the
discussion we had. Afterwards. There was about fifteen or twenty
of us from different sectors of the you know, whether
it was developers or installers or someone at myself, plus
the team from Stark Windows were there and Chris Luxon
was saying, you know, what do you need from us?

(01:29:02):
Why do you think what's the affordability issues? And his
comic to me and a conversation was, look, you know,
when I was living in the States, I could see
what the cost of building was, the speed at which
they were able to build. What can we do here
to introduce some of those ideas? It's a good And
I did get slightly cheeky with the Prime Minister and say, look,

(01:29:24):
I understand you quite like doing a bit of DIY,
so how about we get you on the show and
we'll just talk DIY with the Prime Minister. And he
seemed quite open to that. So I'll get that sorted
out and due an update from Chris Pink as the
Minister for Housing and Construction around H one changes and
around self certification. So when those updates come through, we

(01:29:45):
will get the Minister Chris Pink back on the show
as well. Thirteen minutes after eight o'clock and Jimmy, good morning, Jimmy.

Speaker 14 (01:29:58):
My story is nineteen fifties house at Pepitoti here and
all my files fill off the back of the truck. Yeah,
can you tell me how to get the old vinyl
off the floor? I've tried everything made, burning, all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Okay, when you say nineteen fifties and then you say vinyl,
and then you talk about removing, there's little alarm bells
that go off. Have you tested it for asbestos?

Speaker 14 (01:30:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
What was that It came back negative?

Speaker 14 (01:30:35):
Oh I don't know. I never bothered. Okay, so just
lay over the top of it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Then, well no, I'm just saying, if you're going to
be working on it, right, chipping at it or burning
it or whatever you're going to do, and it does
contain asbestos, there's a significant health risk, right, so make
sure if you're going to be working on it, you
test it. I would say there's a very good chance
that it's asbestos, in which case my advice to you
would be to have a professional team come in to

(01:31:03):
do it rather than potentially contaminate your whole house. And
I know of the case recently where someone asked they
stripped some old lino, then they asked a floor sander
to come in and sand the floor. They didn't test.
They ended up with asbestos right throughout the house and
basically the entire house had to get stripped out right
to remove the asbestos. We don't want to go down

(01:31:25):
that path, So get it tested and then if it
does come back positive, get a contractor in. If it's
not asbestos or there's no ACM in it, I look
to be fair. I've just the ones that I've done
where it hasn't been asbestos. I've just got stuck in
with like a broad knife and just I work myself

(01:31:48):
in from work my way in from one end, just
taking it off a little bit by little bit by
little bit. Sometimes you try and knock the top off
and then get a sander in. In some cases there
used to be a product I'm not sure if it's
still around, called wood or flooring glue removed and it
dissolved the adhesive. So once you got down to a

(01:32:11):
certain stage, you could sort of flood the area with
this agent that dissolved it and then peel it off.
But it's a hard job. The other thing is, you know,
maybe if it's if it really is stuck down particularly well,
just go over the top of.

Speaker 14 (01:32:26):
It with the softboard or.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
So yeah exactly, yeah, or hardboard and then another layer.
In some cases, like if the lino is in really
good condition and the lino layer is happy to do it,
you can just bond new lino over the top of
existing lino.

Speaker 14 (01:32:42):
Okay, No, the house is too old, it's not worth
spending a lot of money on it. But it's getting
in the around the stove as well.

Speaker 11 (01:32:49):
No, it's in the corner.

Speaker 14 (01:32:51):
So just hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Sometimes it's just like you set a headphones with your
favorite music and some knee pads and you just get
stuck in.

Speaker 14 (01:33:01):
Mate. It's not a big area. Yeah, maybe half the
problems I'm too old to get down And.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Wow, that's that's why young people are out there, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:33:14):
Really are they? Thanks, I'll go through the whole procedure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Thinks.

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do do the testing if you're unsure. And the more
we know about where asbestos is in terms of building materials,
I'm pretty sure it's in there, and I don't want
to see you get hurt. It is seventeen minutes after eight.
Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

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Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Weekend news talk ZB, yours news Talk ZB and quick
text because this is an issue that's come up a
couple of times, just a very quick one good day,
says the texter.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
We had a leak in our bathroom. So we've stripped
the bathroom completely and are rebuilding it. We're at the
point where we're going to be doing the waterproofing. We're
using a fabricated shower tray and doors, so tiles on
the wall down to the shower tray. It sounds like
the plumber will install the shower tray and then waterproof
up to the shower trait, which is standard practice. I

(01:35:13):
would have thought we would have to waterproof the entire
bathroom before installing the shower trait. This has come up
a couple of times, and someone suggested to me that
some people were recommending waterproofing let's say, the substrate the
floor before the shower tray goes in, And I'm like,
but the whole point of the shower tray is that

(01:35:35):
that's your waterproof surface, So why waterproof were theoretically, nowhere
is going to get wet. So look, I would say
waterproof the shower enclosure. If you're going to do tiles
on the floor, then I would waterproof the floor. You
need to do that. But obviously you don't need to
waterproof walls that are outside of the splash zone. So

(01:35:58):
if it's around a bath, for example, you'd waterproof around there.
If you've got a vanity that you're going to have
tiled splash back on, you'd want to waterproof a little
bit behind that area there, just to ensure that nothing
gets through the tiles into the substrate. But with regard
to the shower tray, it's a shower tray with the
doors and then you tile down. You would just waterproof
that wall down to your already waterproof shower tray, would

(01:36:22):
be my approach, Rightio, thanks very much for that text.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the Oh
here's another good one too. Just quickly, Hey, Pete, can
you tell me why a two thousand and three new
build still needs to have a Healthy Home check and certification?
Surely the CC or CCC rather should encompass the standards
for healthy homes regards Dave. Interestingly enough, there are some

(01:36:47):
requirements of the Healthy Home Standards for residential tendencies that
are over and above the building code. So you can
get a brand new building which has a certificated Code
compliance or code compliance Certificate at CCC, but it will
still fail potentially a Healthy Homes assessment. Yeah go figure

(01:37:10):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call
Noline A very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:37:15):
Oh, good morning, Yes, yep, hello, Go for it, right,
go for it. Okay, I've got a question about insulation
and walls. I have a stucco house in nineteen thirty six,
and my family are encouraging me to have the insulation

(01:37:38):
put in where they drill all the holes and pump
pump whatever it is in. I have fibrous plaster obviously inside,
so I have a few concerns about whether I should
go ahead and do it or not. I don't know

(01:38:00):
whether the product is damp when they pump it in
and maybe in a.

Speaker 7 (01:38:07):
Or how about all the holes that they make?

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
You know, Look, I think you've got some really good questions,
right and whichever, if you do decide to go down
this path and have an injected system done, then you've
got to be able to ask those questions of the
contractor or the representative of the company and ensure that
you're getting the right sort of answers. So a couple

(01:38:34):
of things. One is obviously all any work where you
install retrofit insulation into existing exterior walls requires a building consent, right.
And now some of the companies that are doing the
injected systems have an agreement with counsel where because they're

(01:38:54):
doing the same thing over and over again, there's a
really straightforward process for them to get a building consent,
but they still have to get a building consent for it.
So I would be very very suspicious of anyone that
you engage with who says, no, don't worry, we don't
need a building consent. You do, right, So that's really important.

(01:39:16):
Then I guess these questions around there are where I
find this is a bit tricky for me, is that
I you know, ten fifteen years ago, I pulled off
exterior weather boards from a house that it had a
system injected into it, and there were a couple of
things that we noticed. One is there was mold growth, right,

(01:39:37):
so there was moisture getting in and it was growing
on the injected system, there are also voids. So what
we know about insulation is it works really well when
you fill all of the spaces. And one of the
concerns around some of the injected systems is how do
you know you've filled all of the spaces. Now there's
a response to that, which is we do thermal imaging.

(01:39:58):
We can see whether we've got the right coverage. We
can calculate the volume that's going in, and we know
roughly what capacity the wa all has, so we know
that we've put the right amount of product in. Some
of the products that are available now are hydrophobic, so
they repel moisture, which is really important. Some of the
products are saturated when they go in. And then you've

(01:40:21):
got a question about is it a good idea to
introduce a lot of moisture to the inside of my
wall cavity and what happens to that moisture? How long
does it take to dry out, does it dry out
before it encourages mold growth, et cetera, et cetera. So
I think you've there are some good products out there,
but you really have to do your due diligence around it. Okay, right,

(01:40:45):
saying and you know, I'll be as fair and as
balanced as I possibly can be. You know, like typically
I would say to people, or my preference has always
been remove interior linings and install the insulation. That way,
then you can address things like vapor barriers and so on.
But you know, I also have spoken with people who
have had the injected systems put in, the good ones,

(01:41:08):
and they go, look, the great thing is the day
after it's done, my house is warmer.

Speaker 15 (01:41:14):
Yes, yes, so that's the whole point of the exercise, really, Yeah,
ripping all my walls.

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
Of Yeah, and understandably too. And look, see, I mean
what's really interesting at the moment is there's there's the
beginning of a whole series of discussions, and there's that
I've seen this now where instead of trying to fit
insulation into existing wall cavities, we're doing these retrofits where
essentially we're wrapping the exterior of the building in insulation.

(01:41:44):
But that that's often a much bigger job. So if
you imagine leaving your house intact and simply adding an
additional skin to the outside, but again in your instance
with a stucco house, where you want to keep that
characters it's not as good a solution, but you know,
for an older weather board house, for example, the thought
of putting some batons, putting some in and putting a

(01:42:07):
new cladding on the outside and replacing the joinery, that's
a really good and quite it has less disruption for
the people who might be inside the house to do that.
So there's park a rap and a couple of other
ideas around out silation are starting to be developed as well.
Ask lots of questions.

Speaker 15 (01:42:28):
What would it be worthwhile putting in double glazing, and
because it's all going to still go out.

Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
The walls, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
That's the thing. So this is this idea around the
thermal envelope, right, so you know in the end heat
transfer is going to continue, So if you block one pathway,
it'll look for somewhere else. But if most of your
exterior face is a wall and you can stop it,
then you've got a smaller area for that escape. So

(01:42:56):
if you were to do the walls and then later
on you did the double glazing, or if you did
the walls and then you've got some really effective thermal drapes,
it will make a difference. But you wouldn't do the walls,
if you haven't already done the ceiling and the underfloor.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
Well, I've had all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Good on you, Good on you.

Speaker 7 (01:43:12):
I might just buy a new curtains.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Yeah, and why not? Why not? Good on you. Hey,
lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much of
your time this morning. You take care righty Oh, Rud
is available. He's ready to go, rearing to go as
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