Full Show Podcast: 19 April 2026

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for April 19, 2026, Pete talks about ventilating your bathroom, a solution to drains causing dips in the lawn, and the pros and cons of water-based polyurethane.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks at B fixing what they forgot
to mention on that YouTube video. The Resident Builder with
Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building supplies the future of
Kiwi building today.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Call oh eight hundred and eighty eight News Talks ed B.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when a
dog is too old to bar, and when.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
You're sitting at the table trying not to starve sissor hole,
even when we are then, even when you're there, Yeah,

(01:13):
houses a home, even.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
When those goals, even when you got.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Around from the ones you love your most.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Scream, don't broken paints appeel in front of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Locals vesperal when they're going to leaving neighbor house, even
when wilburn, even when you're in alone.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Well, very very good morning, and gosh, it's particularly good
morning for me because spurs of discord and in the
seventy six minutes, so the game is not over yet,
but at least it's two went up.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Anyway, I'll explain that whole reference in a moment. Sorry,
let's start again in a more dignified manner. A very
good morning. Welcome along to the Resident Builder on Sunday.
You're with me peak off Camp, the Resident Builder, and
this is a show all about basically your place, all
of those jobs that you want to do, all of
those jobs that you feel that ought to be a

(02:23):
nice thing to do. And it might also be about
those jobs that you just have to get done. Right
that I was in a we'll expand a bit more
later on, but I did a couple of more days
of study this week, and part of it was around
maintenance and failures and so on, and sort of the

(02:43):
enormous impact on lack of maintenance has on the fabric
of our building. So we can talk a little bit
about that. And that's one of those things where it's
not a gosh. I just feel like pottering around and
doing some things and I'll feel good about my DIY.
These are things that you just need to get done.
And you know, for whoever coined the phrase no maintenance

(03:07):
or maintenance free, well they certainly don't deserve a medal.
All houses need maintenance to various degrees. In fact, I
was up on the little scaffold yesterday finishing off what
another guy had started on Friday, just tidying up some flashings,
knocking some scribers back into place. And the classic on Friday,

(03:29):
which was, I've come to the point where I know
I'm not going to get everything that I need to
get done done myself, because I've got lots of other
things to do as well, and so I've reached out
to a mate, Norman and his guys, and Mark came
around and said, right, what do I need to do?
And I said, we're just going to start on this corner,

(03:52):
and we're going to work our way around the outside
of the building doing everything that needs doing, whether it's
a scriber that looks like it's come away a little bit,
maybe a head flashing that you know, at one hundred
years old probably requires replacement, and we're just going to
work our way around. And it was the classic working
on Old House's situation, which was there's a bit of

(04:13):
a split in the board. Maybe we'll be able to
sort of just slightly gap it, put some adhesive in
there and tidy it up. And we're an about I
don't know an hour of starting. He knocks on the
door and goes, here's the board, and sure enough, the
top of it was not completely rotten, but fairly significantly rotten.
So okay, what are we going to do. Well, we'll

(04:35):
go back to the next stud We'll cut that weather
board out, and then did that and discovered the one
below it was also had some rots, so that one
got cut out, two new little sections of weather board
on it, soaker over the top, a new scriber, a
new head flashing onto the next one. So that's typical maintenance, right.
So if you need to do a job like that
and you'd like to discuss it, chat about it, we

(04:57):
can do that on the program this morning. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. If you
would like to text, you are more than welcome to
do that as well. It's nine two nine to ZBZB
from your mobile phone. Bearing in mind there is a
fee for that, a small fee. And if you'd like
to email me, well, you're more than welcome. It's Pete
at Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. So Pete at

(05:18):
Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. So if you're in Gosh,
by the look of it, parts of Wellington, or I
think some parts of the West Coast as well, maybe
parts of the central North Island. We had a lot
of rain or sounded like a lot of rain in
Auckland overnight. I hope that everything is okay. Certainly there

(05:40):
was some flash flooding in Wellington and the Hut Valley
and even on the motorway. I think one of the
motorways partially closed or blocked for a period of time.
So if that struck you seemingly out of the blue yesterday,
I hope that you're okay down there as well. Rightio,
the lines are open. The number to call eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. A little bit later on in
the show, actually here's some news. Roots back to his

(06:03):
usual routine, so from eight thirty this morning on the phone,
not in the studio on Christchich but on the phone
taking your calls. So Rude Climb Past is back and
we'll be taking your calls from eight point thirty this morning,
so really looking forward to that as well. If you've
got a question of a building nature, be it the practical,

(06:24):
I E want me yesterday nailing and some I have
to say every now and then, I kind of I
do something which is part of what I've done for
quite a long time. And realize just the simple satisfaction
of doing something and hopefully doing it well. So just
finishing off new head, flashing, installed drive some new seventy

(06:44):
five mil galvanized jolt heads through punching them down, and
I'm there doing something that feels very familiar, and yeah,
I just I did it, and I was like, oh gosh,
I like that. I like the heft of a hammer
in my hand. It's one that I'm familiar with now.
I had that particular hammer probably ten twelve years. Yeah,

(07:08):
just that process of you know, just I mean, nailing
is such a simple thing, but if you do it well,
it just feels so damn good. Anyway, that was part
of my day yesterday. So if you're out there doing
stuff and you'd like to talk about it, we can
chat now on news Talks there'd be eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. A couple
of texts already coming in, so we'll deal with this

(07:30):
one before we go to the break. But now it's
a good time to call. Hey, Pete, I'm just wondering
what product you used to fill screw holes in the
exterior after we're going to remove a couple of awnings.
The screw holes are about six millimeters in diameter. Vertical
timber paneling cladding like fake timber stuff. Okay, I'll tell
you what I was introduced to by a builder who

(07:52):
got it from his painter. Epo Tech might be a
good one there, if you've only got a couple to do.
It's a two part or a two pot or two
part filler. I used it last year to fill all
of the screw holes on the tongue and groove deck
that I just replaced. So I don't know how many

(08:15):
holes there are a couple of hundred at least, So
got through a pot of that or two pots of
that because it's two pot. But Epotech you buy it online,
is the best bet. Epotec was the one that I've used.
Apparently there's a couple of others. There's some fascinating chemistry
going on in terms of fillers, in terms of ones
that are easy to use, dry quickly, and are paintable

(08:39):
within a relatively short period of time. So yesterday I
used some repair care, just filling in some divots and
cracks and that sort of thing. Again, mix it up,
leave it four hours, got a coat of primer, on
for it got too late and too dark last night,
so that's another job done, and before the rain came.

(08:59):
So I haven't been out there to see whether it's
washed off, but I suspect that didn't. Oh eight hundred eighty,
ten eighty. If you'd like to talk builder like I say,
it's the practical, it's the legislation, it's the ideas for
products as well. Quite happy to take your calls on
all of these issues. Oh, eight hundred eighty the number, Christian.
Good morning, Yes, good morning.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Look, I've got an issue with a floor and the
house is on a concrete pad, and then you've got
the floor joist on top of the concrete pad, and
then you've got the flooring on top of that, and
the floor joists are held down on the concrete. And
the house is about i'd say about fifty forty years old,

(09:39):
fifty years old, and it's held down with these steel
little brackets. And what's happened because of the earthquake. The
steel brackets have been pulled out of the concrete and
when you walk over the floor squeaks you feel the
nail going through the hole in the bracket. Yes, and

(10:01):
I'm wondering rather than pull the whole floor up.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Have you got a remedy for it?

Speaker 6 (10:09):
I mean no, not, not really in the sense that
you know, I suppose the basic mechanical fixing has separated,
and so the only way to fix it is to
replace the fixing. I so, does it sound like it's
the connection between the joist and the bracket let's say

(10:30):
that's gone, or the bracket and the concrete slab. Is
it hard? I suppose without opening the floor up, it's
hard to know.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Well, I had to replace the How we found out
how was actually done. I took the floor up from
the kitchen, replaced the kitchen at the moment.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
And what I did do it is I got one
of those screw bolts that you could screw down through
the floor.

Speaker 9 (11:02):
Yes, through the joist into the concrete.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I yes, yes, and counter counter.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah, I have to put a plug in. But that
pulled it right down into the concrete through the floor joist.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And sure, so.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
The joists are actually sitting flush to the top of
the concrete. It's not like they haven't poured the slabs
slightly unevenly and then used the floor joists to level
the floor. So it's it's consistent all the way across.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
I'll be curious given the ages, I've never seen it before.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, no, I have to say it's slightly unusual even
and for that vintage as well, it's slightly unusual. But
actually I'm just curious then where the joys are sitting
on top of the floor. Did they separate the materials
with some DPC? Is there some like black material between them?

Speaker 9 (11:55):
No?

Speaker 7 (11:56):
No, no, there's no, there's no gosh. I mean, it's
just sitting straight on top of the concrete.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Interesting.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
I mean when you when you pulled up the floor
in the kitchen, did you notice any decay to the
underside of the joist?

Speaker 10 (12:12):
No?

Speaker 6 (12:13):
How interesting? I like, I would have fully expected that,
if you like. Typically we always separate timber from concrete, right,
so with some DP.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Course or something like that.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, exactly. Wow.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
Okay, so this this was a government here's a two
storied and a three three bedroom story and there's two
of them together. They're in Burnside to christ Church and
their government build time imagine and interesting.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
And they're nearly nearly.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
Next door to the be Inside High School actually, but
the Faust places. But I've never seen anything like it.
And when I asked, if you if you, I said,
you've probably got this, And there's an engineer I talked to.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
I said, this is how it's set up.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
So it wasn't it until I pulled the flooring up
and the does I want to replace the drainage?

Speaker 10 (13:15):
What have you?

Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yes, that we discovered how it was built.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
How fascinating look I think to answer your question, I
suppose it might be tempting to go could I address
the issue of the squeaks by filling the void in
some way? I expanding foam right, yes, and that might
be possible, but I'm starting but I wonder whether what

(13:43):
that also does is stop any ventilation. And it might
be kind of accidental or incidental ventilation through there, but
that might help preserve that. And if you suddenly block
that off, you know, do you open yourself up to
the possibility that you're going to accelerate some decay of
the timber and so on? Do you you know, do

(14:05):
you create some were moisture is trapped and can't escape.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
So we looked at that idea and we came up
with the same thing. And there's nothing under the boards,
there's ventilation, and it was very dry and there's no
decay on any floor.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Joyston, probably because it can ventilate to something.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
It's got outside vents on the outside vents around the
nib around the.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
House, right, So it's actually designed that way.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
Yes, okay, So the only way I've thought about it
is to actually put some ramset screws down through and
basically produce some little plugs, wooden wooden plugs and replug them.
And I can't think it's a major trying to take

(15:00):
the tane and groove out.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Yeah, and it's tongue groove and it's clear finished, and
that's the finish that you want, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
I wonder whether you do exactly what you're thinking, which
is you know, because you wouldn't do it on every
single joist. You just identify perhaps where there's some movement
you can You probably won't get a plug cutter that large,
but you could make up a plug using a whole

(15:28):
saw or something like that, because you're gonna.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Have to count. I've got to plug cutokers when I
was laying a teak deck on a yacht. Yep, I've
had a particular plug that you can proquire a sizeable head.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
Oh, brilliant okay, Well that that's perfect then, So maybe
find some old board or an old board from a
wrecker's yard or something like that. You can make some
plugs up, cut the you know, identic Well you can
see the joys because you can see the nail pattern,
cut the withe by the floorboard out countersink, screw a
plug and let that go into the slab and then

(16:05):
pop the plug back. I suppose you've still got that
issue of having to resurface potentially, but look.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
Well that's okay, we're planning on it.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Well, okay, all right, I am now yeah, look yeah,
well that's right. Well you're probably on the right track then,
because I can imagine if you were to try and
lift that floor, you'd probably recover gosh, if you're really careful,
maybe sixty percent of it in order to relay it.
And that would just be such a big job just
to solve a couple of squeaks. So I can certainly

(16:34):
understand taking that approach. Going. Look, if I if I
succeed for more than half of the squeaks that I've got,
that's probably not a bad outcome. Yeah, all right, very
well considered approach all the best. Yeah, nice to check
take care by way your new stalk said it's twenty
two minutes after six. Will be back straight off to

(16:56):
the boat and have a chat with.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Jim turning ohs into She'll be right the resident builder
with Peter wolfgam and Independent Building Supplies the future of
kW WE Building Today Call eight hundred eighty eight News
Talk ZB.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Right to more serious matters. It's too all now in
the Tottenham match now. The reason that I've so invested
in this, just in case you're wondering, is it's that
classic thing with if you were a key week of
forty fifty years ago playing football, you chose your Premier
League team right back in the day, and I chose Spurs,

(17:35):
and I've remained a lifelong Spurs fan for no other
reason than I simply chose them when I.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Was a kid.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
And then they're coming to play Auckland FC in July,
so I bought my tickets. Are we going along in
the hope that I'm going to go and watch a
Premier League team? It is quite possible that I've just
bought tickets to watch a team that used to play
in the Premier League. If it doesn't go well anyway,
like all memtes that we knocked around with and I

(18:02):
don't know, late nineteen seventies and all the rest of it.
We've all stayed absolutely one hundre sent committed to our teams.
Pete's still a massive Man United fan. It's unbelievable anyway
to all at the moment, right, let's get back to
the matter at hand, Jim, good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (18:22):
Hello, Hi Pete.

Speaker 9 (18:23):
How are you good?

Speaker 8 (18:24):
Thing?

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Well, yes, I'm okay, only just only just anyway, go
for it.

Speaker 11 (18:32):
On my house on the end, I've got two down
pipes on each corner, and about six meters out from
each downpipe, I've got an indentation in the grass and
it's noticeable when you mow the lawners. You know, the
mogo has drawn a little bit. Now it's been there
for about eight years that it hasn't got worse, I

(18:55):
don't think. But is that to do with the so calls?

Speaker 6 (19:00):
How old's the house?

Speaker 11 (19:01):
Roughly it's nineteen eighty eight, I should imagine.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
I'd be very surprised if they were still using sohols.
I mean, you can still use them, and they do
work well when they're done well. So, yeah, if you
think that that's where your drainage goes, and that maybe
by looking through the property register or the property file,
you could identify how the drainage was set out if

(19:30):
it was a so call and they did it, and
maybe back then we probably just dug a hole in
the ground, put some scoria and covered it over right,
and so they tend to get full of sediment. So, yes,
it is possible that that's what it is. It might
also be just the only well, another thing that it

(19:50):
could be is sometimes in these situations you get you
might have a break in the pipe, right, and so
the yes, possibly, in which case the ground above it
is sort of you know, it kind of erodes into
the pipe, and then the order and the pipe carries

(20:12):
it away and it continues to erode. That a bit unlikely.
I mean PVC pipe at that time probably shouldn't have
got a break in it. In order to determine this
absolutely what I yes, you do, and it will cost
a couple of one hundred bucks, probably is getting a
team that do CCTV investigation of drainage. They'll be able

(20:34):
to disconnect one of the down pipes, poke the camera
in there, send it down the line, identify where the
line is going, because they can track the position of
the camera with basically like a little detection wand that
they hold above, so they'll be able to tell you
where it is and how deep it is. And also
you'll be able to see what's going on, so you

(20:55):
might see that there's some dislocation where you might find
that the pipe actually does run to a soakage pit,
and that soakage pit is now full of sediment, in
which case it'll be a drainline job to come in,
dig that out, remove that soil that's in there and
the old drainage material. And then in sort of the

(21:15):
modern way of doing them is you'll do the pit.
You'll line the pit with gea textile cloth which allows
water to go through but doesn't allow the sediment to
infiltrate the drainage material. You do that, you put your
piper and I always run a bit of drainage coil,
like black snake or something like that into there to
create a void, fold over the geotextile cloth, put the

(21:38):
topsoil back on. That will work really really well for
a long period of time. But I think just in
terms of knowing what you're dealing with, I would go
for CCTV on the drainage.

Speaker 11 (21:48):
Okay, Peter, have a great data.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Take care and ron a suggestion for Christian.

Speaker 12 (21:58):
Yeah, good morning. I'm just out of thought. Gorilla grew up.
If you've bought a five or six mile hole down
through about the size of the nail head, right through
down to the concrete, filled it with gorilla grip, yes,
which expand and then plug plug the top of it.
So when it does expand, it actually pushes itselves out

(22:21):
into either where the flooring is on the joist or
where the joist is on the concrete. So just a
suggestion may be a quick and easy answer.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
I suppose what it does do is it targets kind
of effectively putting in a pad underneath that area where
there might be a small void under the joist and supporting.
Then so there's as you you know, what's happening is
as you walk on the floor, the floor moves down
the bracket and the fixing through the side of the
bracket of deteriorated, and so the joist moves up and down.

(22:50):
So what you're saying is drill through there, pop in
some gorilla grip, which is an expanding eurothane adhesive and
then that'll just fill the void.

Speaker 12 (22:59):
Yeah, and plug the top of it so that when
it is expanding, it's actually going through into the void,
not poking up through the floor. Then you've got a
very small hole to plug all afterwards.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Yeah, I like us a suggestion.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Much appreciated, Much appreciated. Thanks Ron, all the best. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll
talked to Suzanne and just to moment, we've got a
couple of spare lines as well if you'd like to
join us. Love to chat with you this morning about
all things building and construction. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Number helping you finish that five minute fixed you started
the resident building with Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building
Supplies the future of Kiwi building today Call oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
There'd be as it happens actually, so Independent Building Supplies
have come on board as a sponsor, which we really appreciate.
I'm going to shoot out there on Tuesday, I think,
to have a look around and see what they've got there.
So looking forward to that bit of a site visit
for me as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a question about building,

(24:06):
or about the regulations, or about the products, or some
ideas that you want to test out. That's what the
show is all about. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Someone has just flicked through an
email as well text rather, Hey used TO'DB team, Just
wondering if you've any information about a suspected tornado that
ripped through Toldronga last night. I woke with extreme wind,

(24:28):
rain and thunder and can see that some roofs have
been ripped off and garages have flown away. I mean, look,
it's possible, of course that those things would happen even
without it being a tornado, if it's just extremely high winds.
So yeah, if anyone wants to send us quick text,

(24:50):
or if you're in that area and you want to
give us a call, by all means, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 13 (24:55):
Hello, Susan, Hello, I was wondering if you help me
please Pete. I purchased a rental property actually in Mountain Renui.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
You'll be on the phone of the property manager. Do
I still have a roof.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
Yeah, it was okay, so I bought it in twenty sixteen.
It's the nineteen nineties house. It's brick and concrete tile.
I had an inspection done, no problems with moisture. In
July twenty twenty two, the property manager got extractor fans
put in the ceiling and the en suite in the

(25:31):
bathroom to meet the healthy home standards. By November of
that year, the tenants were complaining that it was mold
on the ceilings in the bathroom and the main bedroom,
which are on the southern side of the house. The
property manager got a plumber in and they lifted some
of the roof tiles above where the mold was in

(25:53):
the bedroom ceiling. They couldn't find a problem apart from
a tiny area of the gutter edge where they sealed it.
So I thought the problem was sorted. But by July
the next year they were still complaining about mold. So
the property manager got in an insulation company and they

(26:14):
thought it was because there was old insult fluff in
the roof and that was holding moisture. So they took
out stuck there half of the insult fluff in the
house and they reinstalled the blanket insulation, so the previous
owners had put blanket insulation over the insult fluff. The

(26:38):
company that did that sent me photos and there was
no mold on the roof building paper in the roof cavity,
so I thought the problem was solved. And then earlier
this year, I tried to get a painter to paint
the ceilings and he wouldn't do it, as he said
the ceilings were damp. So this time I got a

(26:58):
concrete roof tile maintenance person to go in and he
thinks there's nothing wrong with the tiles or the guttering,
but he said there was now mold on the backing
paper on the roof cavity side of the paper, and
they said he was a bit stumped as to what

(27:19):
the problem was. My gut feeling is it something to
do with the extraction fans, because I had no problems
for the previous six years. But I'm sort of at
a loss to know who I get him to check
where the moisture's coming from.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Yeah, Hey, look, fantastic description. And I don't say that patronizing.
I just think that it's you're obviously very aware of
how what the building is and and all of the
various elements in it. My first question would be, when
they were up in the roof space, could they confirm
that the extraction that's been put in is actually a

(28:01):
ducted to the exterior.

Speaker 13 (28:03):
He said, it looked as though it had been done,
and in the photos I can see that it's ducted,
but I can't see where it's ducted too. So I'm
assuming it's ducted to the outside. Because it's a nineteen
nineties house, it's got an early HRV system and its
dry there. And the guy who looked at that when

(28:24):
I had its service, te Rereckon, that was too small
for the size of the house and that I should
add a whole lot of extra I would, you say,
and replace the motor and add inducting to it. But
I thought, why do I need to do that when
prior to twenty twenty two there were no problems with dampness.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
Sometimes with these issues, it's not a like it's a
combination of factors rather than one thing. Necessarily, I guess
I would start with be absolutely sure that the extraction
that's been installed is actually ducted to the out side,
that it's not just a bit of you know, flexible

(29:10):
ducting that runs from the extraction and stops somewhere else
because that and I've seen this a number of times,
so that that would just suck the moisty are out
of somewhere like the bathroom in the on suite and
just pump it into the roof space rather than pushing
it to the outside. So make sure that theducting is
in good condition, that it's a straight run or as

(29:31):
straight as possible, and that it does actually vent to
the exterior.

Speaker 13 (29:36):
Interesting comment, they've installed it, or should I get another
independent person?

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Uh, this is more a human nature response than anything.
I guess if you ask the people that did it,
did you do it, well, they're going to say yes,
because if they say no, then you're going to go, well,
hang on, I paid you to install them that sort
of thing. So I guess there's a practical reason to
just go Actually, you might have to get someone independent,

(30:04):
and it's I was going to say, it's not difficult
to do, but you you know, someone's actually got to
get up there, look at the type of fan that's
been installed, and then go and make sure that it
does go to the outside, and that when it does
go to the outside, that you know, for example, there's
always a real challenging but where it should be one
hundred and fifty milimeter aducting and it should run as

(30:26):
one hundred and fifty milimeters all the way to the outside.
The pinch point is often at that intersection between the
roof and the top plate, and it can be quite
narrow and if you just you know, if the installer
just squishes the pipe and pokes it through there, it's
going to restrict the flow. It's not going to work
as well as it should. And so I would deal

(30:48):
with that first. The other thing to deal with is,
I guess we who do I get to that?

Speaker 10 (30:54):
Though?

Speaker 13 (30:54):
I get yeah, electrician.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Some electricians will kind of specialize in inventing and that
sort of thing, so there may well, sorry, that's the.

Speaker 13 (31:07):
Person who did the inspection when I first bought it.
Would that be a good person?

Speaker 6 (31:11):
This is for a healthy homes inspection?

Speaker 13 (31:14):
No, when I purchased it.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Oh yeah, pre purchase inspector, yes, But again you know,
really they if they were doing a pre purchase inspection
and they went in the roof, they should have also
been able to see that, right, that's.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
A very were put in.

Speaker 13 (31:29):
I bought the house in twenty sixteen and the extract
fans went in in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Okay, all right, yeah, I'm with you in that case. Yes,
if you've still got a good relationship with a person
that did it, and they're suitably qualified, they'd be a
good independent person to do it. So make sure that
it's ductor to the outside. The other thing is some
tenants turned fans on and some don't. Right, so you
can put an extractor in, but it requires operator assistance,

(31:57):
i e. Somebody's got to go, I'm going to turn
it on.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Now.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
If you happen to have a run of tenants where,
for whatever reason, they choose not to turn the fan on,
then that's not helping you either. The other thing, if
you've investigated all of the issues, and if it's a
concrete tile roof and it's got a roofing underlay, then
you can be reasonably confident that you're not going to

(32:21):
have issues in terms of condensation and so on, that
the condensation that happens will be captured by the underlay
and will evaporate, so it's not a roof leaking issue.
The other interesting was.

Speaker 13 (32:31):
One fine area that didn't have building paper.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Or much Yeah, okay, so if someone could sort of
slip in a piece of building paper there, that's not
going to be a bad thing to do. Also, like
standard practice, I'm just thinking about their insul fluff and
then overlaying that with a blanket. Depending on the type
of blow and insulation. In some cases it's actually okay

(32:58):
to leave it right and that in your instance they've
removed it. That's a sensible precaution, and then they've relayed
a new blanket over there as well. The other thing
that you could look at doing is and I did
this actually on behalf of a landlord in a rental
property a little while ago, is I actually removed the

(33:21):
existing extraction fan, which was a standard one, so you
came in, you had to turn it on to a
new extraction fan supplied by Symmics of Cimics SIMX. And
what it is is it's a constant flow fan, so
it runs at a very low rate constantly during the
day and night, just runs and runs and runs. And

(33:43):
then when it and it's got a humidity sensor in it,
so when it texts that the humidity has risen or
is rising in their room, it ramps up the extraction
rate of the fan, and it keeps running at that
rate until it's extracted sufficient moisture from the room, and
the sensor then tells it to sort of ramp down again.

(34:04):
That's made a dramatic difference in that space, so that
might be a worthwhile investment just simply swapping it over.
But that again, extraction fans only work when it's ducted
to the outside and when the ducting is done correctly,
So I would start there and then you know, let's
look at other issues from there.

Speaker 13 (34:26):
Okay, that's good, and it's really good, and there's.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
No yeah, fantastic. The other thing to have a look at,
too is if someone's there, just have a look at
when the doors to the bathroom and the onsuite are closed,
is there a sufficient gap underneath to allow air to
enter the room in order for it to be sucked
out right? So, as carpenters often we kind of take

(34:51):
a bit of pride and going, I'm going to do
a really nice neat four mel gap underneath the door.
That's actually insufficient in this situation to allow enough air
to go in. So ideally you want like a ten
milimeter gap underneath the door, which means that when the
door is closed and the extraction is running and it's
sucking air out, that you can have air coming in,

(35:11):
which is really important as well.

Speaker 10 (35:14):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Alrighty, so my pleasure. Hey, fantastic chat, Thank you, thank
all this. Yeah, by by then it is six forty
seven at Newstalk, said b it's probably six forty seven
everywhere in the country as it happens. And yeah, if
you've got a bit of an update on that wild whether'
old wrong, feel free to flick as quick text and
let us know that you're okay. Basically radio back.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
After the break where DIY gets unstuck, call the Resident
Builder with Peter Wilfscam and Independent Building Supplies the Future
of Kiwi Building Today News Talks.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
Buh, just talking with some of the team here at
news Storks. Yes, there has definitely well, if not a tornado,
then certainly high winds sufficient to remove sections of ruth
to destroy a couple of garages in the Tollronga region.
And I think there's some emergencies going on in the

(36:10):
Rupehu district as well due to the heavy rains. So
we've had another battering last weekend it was Auckland and
Tyrong and the Corrimandle and then it's back to have
another bite at Towering. It would seem today as well,
So we'll find out more information for you on that. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Hello David, you, good morning, how are you?

Speaker 14 (36:32):
There's a week a lot of good science, what's very
good to hear, but a week bit of information for you. Sure,
I've done thirty years of drain scans and also working
with three waters as well. And just a wee quick
hint for you. You can operate your fan from your
bathroom just with your lights. Whitch okay, So when somebody

(36:53):
goes and turn the lights on, the fans starts up
automatically and extracts any moisture out of the room. So
you don't need a special switch, you don't need them
to have any clues to have to turn the fan on.
And you can take that one femal abducting and you
say push it through underneath the trusses and the perilings

(37:15):
and take it to the outside atmosphere. And by far,
that is the best thing you can ever do, is
extract moisture to the outside atmosphere. The man who was
talking earlier on about the subsidence in the lawn, he
doesn't need to go to the trouble getting a drain
scan and spending all that money. It's just that when
drains do the drains, they never can pack that soil

(37:35):
back down right, And it's only through time that that
and a bit of rain on it has made that
ground sink down away. But yeah, I really don't think
he's got a broken drain or a damage drain or
anything like that.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
It'll just cop over time.

Speaker 12 (37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (37:48):
Yeah, Just top that up with a little bit more
of a good ground soil and put some grass feed
on it, and you'll find that he won't have a
wed there at all.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
Okay, Yeah, and do it.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
I mean, now's a great time to do grass. You know,
it's still a bit of warmth and that sort of thing,
and I suppose it's one of those things. Do that
if you find that next summer there is still another
dip there, then possibly go forward and investigate from there.
I tell you. The only challenge I think with the
extractor being tied to the light is one if it's

(38:20):
in the en suite and you get up in the
middle of the night to go to the bathroom and
you turn the light on, it turns the fan on
and it wakes the other half.

Speaker 14 (38:27):
So people not really the fans you get today can.

Speaker 9 (38:29):
Be very quiet.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Yeah, that's true. But and the other thing is if
someone's having a shower during the day and they don't
need to turn the light on, then they don't turn
the fan on.

Speaker 14 (38:40):
Well, not only there, if you've got tenants, you can't
always rely on tennant to use that second switch themselves.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
All young people, and that's where increasingly I'm a really
big fan of these constant flow fans. And it's a relative.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
Because that's just a waste of electricity.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Okay, No, it's running at such a low rate it
would it would be like a couple of cents a day.
And to me that's both the envy, okay, but the
fact that it's it's right.

Speaker 14 (39:09):
Believer, you're what's what you're saying. Yeah, the moisture has
got to go to the outside, absolutely, and it can
drop down through the eve itself and just have a
we grow over it there and it's good.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
It can be no problems And like I redid my
one a little while ago, and I had some one
hundred and fifty mili running and then at that pinch
point above the top plate.

Speaker 14 (39:32):
That's that's not going to make a difference. I'll tell
you that now I know all about engineering. Just we
you change that round shape to an oval shape is
going to make very little difference to the flow through
that pipe.

Speaker 15 (39:43):
O K.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
So you're quite safe doing that.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
To be fair, I took a slightly more diligent approach,
and I actually transitioned from the round to some rigid
ducting two twenty by sixty five, so the same volume,
but rectangular, and I could then send that out and
over the top. So I just went from round to
rectangular and then ended up actually I couldn't find a
rectangular grill.

Speaker 14 (40:05):
It sounds to me you're a bit of a good
perfectionist on the other side of things. But we're still
going to be practical with our installation.

Speaker 9 (40:13):
Sure, and let people who are trying.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
To get the moisture outside just use a bit of
good common.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Sense and quishing it a little bit is okay.

Speaker 14 (40:23):
And you're changing it from a round shape to an
egg shape literally, and you know it gets out there
and doing it one hundred percent right by getting rid
of the moisture out of the selling cavity to the
outside atmosphere.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
On that we are in agreement. Much appreciated. Thanks for
the invite, for the information. Much appreciated.

Speaker 14 (40:43):
I enjoy listening to your discussions.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Next mate, Much appreciated. I take care, good time with
it right next hour of the show. Well, it's all
up to you basically, So if you've got questions around
building legislation, rules and regulations, all these sorts of things,
we can chat about all of that in the next
hour of the show eight hundred and eighty ten eight.
If you want to call now, we'll get things set up.
And good news is it will be back to his

(41:06):
regular time slot today, so from eight thirty we'll be
able to do Q and A with Rude as well.
You're a news Talk zedb.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building
supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today News Talk sib.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Ridio eight hundred eighty ten eight. Let's start with the important.
But that's the number to call. It's a talkback program
that's probably all that's all I need to say, really,
not really welcome back to the program. My name's Pete
wolf Camp, resident builder, and this is the resident builder
on Sunday. So if you've got a question of about building,
it could be about drain edge, could be about extraction,

(42:04):
could be about regulation. Happy to talk about There's been
a bit of chat this week that I've seen just
online around should there be a sort of registration process
for people undertaking healthy homes assessments? So you need to
have them done if you're a landlord, you must have

(42:25):
them done in order to comply with the regulations, and
a healthy home statement is attached to every new tenancy agreement.
But while there's a requirement to have it done, there
is not actually a requirement as to who can do
them or what level of professionalism and skill that they
might apply to that task. So should that be It

(42:49):
was a kind of online discussion that I've been following.
You may have a comment on that. And so we've
been talking about extraction as well, and the incredible usefulness
of extraction that's without a doubt, but it's one of
those classics too. It's not done well, then it's kind
of pointless in the sense that yes you could, and

(43:13):
I'm sure anyone who's ever done pre purchased inspections will
have identified this, or maybe you found it in your
own house after purchasing. So you go into a bathroom
or an en suite and there's an extractor fan in
there somewhere, and then you go up into the roof
space if you can, be bothered and find that in fact,
it's just the fan. It's actually not going anywhere, it's

(43:33):
not ducted anywhere, so it's just sucking all of that
moist are out of your wet areas and just pumping
it straight into the roof cavity. And if there's well,
even if there was a little bit of ventilation and
roof cavities and that it's not something that we do
as a standard process anymore. If there's any ventilation in

(43:53):
a roof cavity, it's often incidental or accidental really, Whereas
just thinking about you know, older like I noticed on
an old house that I was looking at the other day,
it had a it was a classic sort of villa
bay window at the front. And then just when if
you've got a flat gable and then you do a bay,

(44:15):
you've got these two sort of forty five degree triangles
or segments on either side, and that area is covered
above those two windows on either side, and right at
the top there they had just left part of the
eaves mold had a slot cut out of it, and
that would allow some ventilation. And if you think about
old houses, you'd often see at the gable end, like

(44:35):
a bungalow or something like that, a little louver that
would allow some airflow through there, just to help ventilate
any moisture that might accumulate in that space. But it's
not a common building practice. But the dynamics of moisture
haven't changed in millions of years. So if you're getting
moisture that's getting trapped into the roof space and it's

(44:57):
not then being ventilated from there, you're going to get
issues around a build up of it. In fact, I
saw some photographs the other day. Been doing the News
Institute of Building Surveys course again this week, so two
days of study and then an exam. I'll talk about
the other exams that I did a month ago. A

(45:18):
little bit later, and talking with another guy who does
pre purchased inspection, showed me a couple of photographs of
houses that are around two years old. So modern construction
in the particular methodology of what they were doing is
mold growing in the ceilings after two years. So there's

(45:39):
something that's not working well there. I wait one hundred
eighty ten eighty the lines are open the number to call.
I wait one hundred eighty teen eighty nine two ninety
two for the text and Pete at Newstalks. He'd be
for your emails as well. Helen greetings, Hello, Helen.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Hello Pete, Hi there.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
How are you?

Speaker 16 (45:57):
Thank you now, Pete, I did speak to you a
while ago about the fact that I had Beauty and
No on my roof. It was leaking, and after I
discussed it, you said, I think it needs to be replaced.
I'm in that process and I just wanted to ask
you about they're going to put a enviro clad on it.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
And that's a replacement product or is it a coating
that's going over the top of the existing One's.

Speaker 16 (46:29):
Viking Environing clad and it's quite a solid sort.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
Of TPO.

Speaker 16 (46:39):
Yeah, yeah, and a TPO and then they're going to
environ clad including TPO coated metal edges.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So brilliant.

Speaker 16 (46:51):
What you think of the enviro clad look.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
I've gosh, I think we I used it on a
fairly big project, probably ten years ago. I was struck
by how good it was. Then the other thing just
having quick look on there site. Now, I think what's
really important with some of these products is that, like
one of the things that comes up on the on
the site is installed by approved applicators only, right, And

(47:18):
I think and funny, I had a discussion with a
building survey yesterday about a very similar issue, which was
sometimes you know, products are designed and developed right, and
companies spend literally millions of dollars developing their product, but
a big part, you know, we're talking building right, so
you can you can make the best product in the world,

(47:39):
but if it's poorly installed, it's never going to perform
as as it should do. So I think seeing companies going, Okay,
we've spent all of this time and effort developing our product,
it's our reputation, We're only going to allow licensed applicators
to install it is really good, And that seems to
be the issue. That's the case with the Viking Envira Clad,

(48:01):
that you're going to use the other in the discussions
with the installer. Have they talked about the substrate. So,
let's say, when they pull the butte and old roof off,
if they find that the substrates are not good condition,
have they made you aware that they may need to
do some repair work on there. It might just mean
putting more fixings in, or it might mean in some

(48:21):
cases replacing that.

Speaker 16 (48:23):
Well, they're just going to put it on top of
the old.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Buttle, right okay, and look at it's well, no, if
that's if they can provide you with evidence to go,
this is our process and it will continue to adhere.
There's no issues with.

Speaker 16 (48:46):
Adhesion and taken off washed washed it, yep, the old bushnell.
They washed it to take any moth or anything like that.
Office the only the man is very good and he's
said you or discuss it with money with me on Monday.
But originally they were going to bring it up and

(49:10):
put it and take the roof off, part of the
roof and put it under there. But since I got
out my plans and specification, the roof is not nailed on.
It is screwed on.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Great okay, and I.

Speaker 16 (49:27):
Don't want the roote. I've decided I don't want the
roofless lifted with so screws because I'm worried that it
all you know it all then roof ale then leak.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
Yeah, hey, look absolutely. The other thing too is that
in the end, although it's a repair, in fact, they
should still be able to give you a warranty. So
if what they're describing as this is the product we're
going to use, this is the method we're going to use,
and we will give you a warranty, then they take
responsibility for the work and that's what you want.

Speaker 16 (50:00):
Oh yeah, well it does say this quotation is some
submitsive under the construction content two thousand and two. And
so does that product The other thing I wanted to
ask does that product bend? Because there's how where this is going.
It's only a small piece, but there are two roofs,

(50:21):
like one end of the house, in the bedroom end
of the house. So the the tin the comes down
and then it goes the mutinold just goes up under
the a little about six inches turns up and I

(50:43):
think the mutant old does go up under the tin.
But if this just goes up, that will that enviral
feed been up to sit under the the tin?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yes, should be able to so you feel very hard
it is.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
But there's there's obviously there's a standard procedure in terms
of making those complex shapes, so whether it's two dimensional
or three dimensional, so for an inside or external corner,
and then as part of the system, they have like
a pre formed reinforcement for that corner, so rather than
either cutting or folding the sheet through a corner, they

(51:22):
can do that, but they also have another piece that
sits in behind it that they can seal to. So
it does make it a you know, not quite i'd
say bulletproof, yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 16 (51:33):
About six to get to go to touch under the
steel roof.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
And look.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
The other thing, you know, is to maybe contact Viking
directly and go, hey, look this is this is one
of your applicators. This is the the process that they'd
like that they've suggested. Does that meet with your requirements
as well? So if you did want to just take
another a heartbeat and go, actually, I'll ring the technical

(52:02):
team at Viking, that's another option for you as well.
But the main thing is it's a licensed applicator approved
by them, following their procedures and then issuing a warranty
that's that's about as reassured as you should be able
to be. Ah.

Speaker 16 (52:17):
Yes, and that's center whole thing, scope of surfaces and
all that sort of thing to me as well also,
So that sounds pretty good to me in terms of trade. Yeah,
pages of terms of.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
Yeah always always, Helen. It sounds like you've you've considered
most things well and it's a it is a good
product to use all the very best you Helen, much
appreciate it. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number one
to take a quick break. Then we'll have a chat with.

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Speaker 6 (54:04):
Rightioh, we're talking all things building and can instruction this morning.
Quick text as well. I've got a bunch of these
to come to, so wain text. Pete. Can you fit
a backflip or a back flow preventter to your sewerage
line and your property to prevent a backflow of sewage
from a blocked council pipe? No, is the short answer.

(54:26):
So I don't know that there's any such thing as
a black backflow preventor on the line, but typically at
a point outside your house where it connects your line
to the council line, there should be an ERG, so
an overflow there that will mean that in the event
that the line blocks and comes and pushes or pushes

(54:49):
back up to the house, it'll come out of that
fitting before it comes out of a fitting inside the house.
So I have thankfully I've never had to clean one up,
but I've seen it where without that overflow relief valve
on the outside of the property, the pipe backs up
or pressures up and into the house and comes out

(55:11):
of the lowest fitting like a shower or a toilet,
that sort of thing, and literally you end up with
what's supposed to be out on the road in the
council line coming outside your house. So the overflow relief
on the outside of the property will deal with that
particular issue, and that would really be an issue, wouldn't it.

Speaker 10 (55:30):
Greg?

Speaker 9 (55:30):
Good morning, Yeah, good morning.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
How are you very well?

Speaker 10 (55:34):
Oh? That's good.

Speaker 17 (55:35):
Hey.

Speaker 18 (55:35):
Look, I'm listening to your discussion on extraction fans. I'm
an electrician who has installed many extraction fans, so I'm
going to give you some tips go for it. Very
good information so far. So one thing I would say
is make sure you're installer does not screw the fan
to any part of the framing. You need to hang

(55:57):
it off a suspended off the frame with a rope
or a piece of cord. That'll make the fan much quieter.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
That would only be for those ones that are are
an inline fan rather than in the extraction unit. Yep.

Speaker 18 (56:10):
Yeah, I only install inline fans because they work better.
Some people want the fan, heat light, you know, things
in their in their bathroom, but I wouldn't go any
less than one hundred and fifty mil. Some of them
come at one hundred mil. Personally, I wouldn't bother with then.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I think the new standard is you have to be
one hundred and fifty miliducting.

Speaker 18 (56:32):
A right, yep, So that's all we install one hundred
and fifty mili in line fan. We always suspend it
otherwise it gets too noisy. Now, as far as your
switching is concerned, you you were talking about, you know,
the problem during the day people and not.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
Switching it on.

Speaker 18 (56:45):
So there is a couple of electrical options there. You
can put a motion sensor on the fan. You can
get a timer that it's designed to switch the fan
if the light's left on for extended period of time.
So if you're going and just going to the toilet,
the fan won't run. Oh okay, journey yep. So they're

(57:08):
pretty old technology. Now I have a new technology that
I'm using which is based on in Microcontrollert ESP thirty two,
and they can you can access them by an app.
They have options of power monitoring and.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
Remotely. But the other.

Speaker 18 (57:27):
Feature that it has which would be great for fans
is you can tell it how long to run, so
you can come in switch the fan on and then
you don't have to worry about switching it off. You
can just set your time to seven minutes and it'll
run for seven minutes. Make sure you leave this, make
sure you leave the fan running after you've finished the shower.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (57:47):
All right.

Speaker 18 (57:48):
And also you mentioned the door.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
The door needs to.

Speaker 18 (57:50):
Be closed with a gap because that creates a venturi
effect and that gets the air moving. And also as
far as crushing your pipe down, it's not necessarily a
bad thing. Obviously, you don't want to have it real
flat because in some of these modern buildings, getting one
hundred and fifty MILLLI pipe out to the safe is

(58:11):
pretty pretty impossible without changing its shape. So, but that's
not necessarily a bad thing because again you're creating a
venturi which speeds the air flow up. So and the
other thing too is try and have a straight run, no.

Speaker 11 (58:26):
Bends, yep.

Speaker 18 (58:27):
Minimize your bends and no more than six meters. If
you're going to have more than six meters, you probably
need to have another fan.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Isn't put two in line fans on that run?

Speaker 13 (58:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (58:38):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean in line fans aren't that expensive,
and what you've pointed out, it's a small investment because
if you don't, you're going to end up with a
rotten bathroom and that's going to cost tens of thousands
of dollars.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
So have you installed any of these constant flow fans?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
I was quite interested when you saw that.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
I'm going to go and look them up at the supplier.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Yeah, got a range of them.

Speaker 18 (59:04):
It would be interesting to know what the what the
drawers just on the on the but look, it's probably
only going to be milliamps, like you say, it's only
going to be a very small cost yep. So yeah,
I mean if you're worried about people not switching the fan,
you can go with a motion sensor. You know, there's
a range of different ones. I mean, you can get
them for lights, which you can adapt to your bathroom,

(59:24):
but you can actually get them to fit into your
into your plug. That's just a little tiny, little photoie thing.
You can hardly notice it. They're a bit more expensive though,
but yeah, there's plenty options.

Speaker 9 (59:37):
Yeah, but you're electrician.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
I just think that, you know, because we do have
an issue too, where Like I think it's a good
thing that our houses are well insulated and becoming more
air tight, but it does mean that we have to
be more active in our management of moisture control and ventilation.
So you know, older houses that were just basically drafty
and that in the air whistled around the windows and

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up through the floor and through the ceiling and all
the rest of it, they kind of just dried out. Whereas,
again I emphasize the fact it's a good thing that
we're building to a higher standard and that our houses
are more air type, but it's almost like we haven't
caught up on the ventilation stuff, and we're still taking
an old approach to ventilation, Whereas I think we need

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to have a new look at it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:24):
Yep, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 18 (01:00:25):
You know, these modern houses will keep the moisture, and
so you need to get it out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
You need to be epectively ventilating for sure.

Speaker 18 (01:00:33):
Again, inline fans aren't that expensive if you're building a
new house. Yeah, there's nothing wrong if you can afford
to with putting towards.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Yeah. No, the more extraction better. I think he appreciate
the call, Greg, and thanks for listening and thanks for
joining in. Much appreciated. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call now. Bentley regular contributor goes, hey,
there is a backflow device for your pipes, for your
like sewer pipe as in one hundred mill line that
runs out to the council, simple flat valve that's installed

(01:01:02):
in line on a sewer or stormwater pipe from Bentley.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I just wondering with that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
I musty, I'll have a look for them. A reflex valve.
Reflex is kind of a polite way of describing what
might happen should the pressure of the council line build up.
You know when you have that gentle burp and you go, oh,
it's a bit of reflex. Well, I can tell you
what if it's the if it's your cell line connected
to the council line. It's not going to be gentle,

(01:01:31):
it's not going to be a little burp, right he
oh Martin greetings.

Speaker 19 (01:01:35):
Oh hi Pete. My son bought a house about five
years ago and he reconfigured the bedroom to put an.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
En suite on.

Speaker 19 (01:01:47):
He didn't use a book, license, building practitioner. He used tradesman,
build a plumber, electrician, etc. And now he wants to sell.
I realized you can't get a retrospective consent. How should
he go about presenting this so that you know this
doesn't fall over when someone comes along with a.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
Report?

Speaker 9 (01:02:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:02:15):
Sure, have you got any advice with this?

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
When did he do this five years ago?

Speaker 8 (01:02:22):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
Look to be blunt. It's kind of unforgivable, right in
the sense that five years ago everybody knew that you
needed a consent for that. So I would be highly
critical of the people trades people that did the work
and didn't ask do you have a consent for this?

Speaker 9 (01:02:45):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Like there's no. And I don't mean to be judgmental
on getting I'm a high horse, but it's like he
he was either poorly advised or if he was advised
and didn't listen, then he's created a real difficult situation
for himself. But I would be I would be very
disappointed at the professionalism of the trades people that did

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the work, that didn't put their hand up and say, hey, mate,
have you got a consent for this? And then oh no,
I don't. Well, hey, we all know that you do
need one. So that's the I can't hide from that.
So what he's going to have to do is essentially
apply for a certificate of acceptance, so provide plans as

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if they were for a building consent to counsel. Then
provide evidence that the work complies with the building code.
So possibly he could go back to those tradespeople and go,
can you give me record of works? Can you give
me a certificate for the work that you did? So
from the plumber, from the builder. What's the shower because

(01:03:51):
that's going to be the big sticking point. What type
of shower was installed?

Speaker 19 (01:03:57):
It's it's not a tile shore, I say, glass front
and okay, yea, all.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Right, Well that's easier to you know, prove that it's
compliant in the sense that is it on a concrete
slab or a timber floor. Okay, can you get underneath
the floor and have a look up.

Speaker 19 (01:04:20):
Well you can because it's in the second story, so
all the plumbing goes down into the garage and it's
right running along the shore.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
Yeah, it's because what you're able to do in that
situation is go, look, it's been installed, this is the
system that it was installed, and here's some photographs showing
the underside. There's no evidence of leaking and that sort
of thing. So you know, performance is also part of compliance. Right,
I've put it in and it's working, it's not leaking therefore,

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and so if it's relatively straightforward, it's a certificate of acceptance.
He may well need to engage someone like a building
surveyor to come in and do an assessment of the
building and provide some independent evidence that it's compliant with
the building code. I it's not leaking, it's correctly installed,

(01:05:14):
et cetera, et cetera, and then send that into counsel
and go through the process with counsel. But the other
thing that I've noticed, it's probably six or seven years
or so, is that counsel are taking a slightly different
view of this type of work because they there was
always there was a thing called safe and sanitory reports, Right,

(01:05:36):
so counsel, would you'd invite them along. You go, look,
I'm really sorry, but I didn't get a consent or
a previous owner didn't get a consent. The work seems okay.
They'd look at it and go is it safe? It's
not going to fall down? Is it sanitary? I when
I flush the toilet it goes in the right direction,
and then issue a safe and sanitory. They don't. They
don't do safe in centuries anymore. And they've changed their

(01:05:59):
level of detail, let's say, and with regard to the
certificate of acceptance to a much higher standard, much more
like getting a building consent, because they realize that basically,
to put it in builders language, people have mean taking
the purse right where they just go, I'm going to
do it and then I'll ask you know better to
do it and ask forgiveness later sort of thing, and

(01:06:21):
counsel are kind of sick of it.

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
Ok.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Yeah, So that's you might find that in the end
you're going to need to engage with someone who does
this on a regular basis, maybe a building survey. There's
a couple of other people that have sort of set
themselves up to go, hey, look I'll help you out
with these situations. But it's it can be quite a process.
And if you ran me in a couple of months
and said, hey, look he's he's spent ten grand on

(01:06:45):
plans and reports and all the rest of it, I
wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 19 (01:06:48):
Yeah, okay, thank you, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
So that's the process, all right, all the best, Sorry,
thank you, bye bye. The your news Talks beat. It's
not necessarily always good news, is it. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Seven
thirty five. I feel that we need a break.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Do we need a break?

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
We do need a break. We're going to take break.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Then back in the moment, turning ohs into She'll be
right the resident builder with Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building
Supplies the future of Kiwi Building today, call oh eight
hundred eighty eight News Talks b.

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
It was this thing about Martin's call before, and I
was fairly direct in terms of my opinion around that
work being done without a consent, especially in terms of
the trades people that are involved, right because certainly for
carpenters now or for builders and LBP builders, there's a

(01:07:42):
code of ethics now. It wasn't in place five years ago,
but it has been around for at least three or
four years now. And that's all around acting professionally. Right,
So when you're if a client comes to you and says,
can you just change this room to an en suite?
And no, I don't have a consent as a licensed
building practitioner, I think you have an obligation you do.

(01:08:04):
It's there in the Code of Ethics to go, hey, look,
I've got to tell you need to get a consent
for this. I know that you do. There's no gray
area around it. And you know I won't undertake this
work so without doing it. In fact, if the if
the builder involved was an LBP, you'd probably have grounds

(01:08:25):
to take them to the disciplinary board, right I seven
thirty nine, Jim, greetings.

Speaker 10 (01:08:31):
Good, we're building a new house.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:08:36):
And I noticed that they've put little steel brackets from
the bottom plate to the stud. Yes, screwed them. Then
there's only a few of them in that, not every stud.
But they haven't done the same from the top plate
to the stud at the top yep, at the top

(01:08:59):
they've done little steel brackets from the top plate to
the plums. Yes, and to me, seems to be a
fault that they've put in Harley. Well, it's really both
hardly sheeting instead of building paper on the outside and
then putting hardly paints on as the outside.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
Sure, they seem to think that that's seemed up.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Hang on there.

Speaker 10 (01:09:31):
I say that they should put those little steel brackets
on the top plate to the stud.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Yeah. I mean, look, obviously, if it's a new build,
you could ask or you might have a copy of
the plans and you could see what's detailed on the
plan to see whether or not they might have missed something.
But I suspect what it is is it's think it's
something that you can't see, which is there are now
fixing screws that you can use through the top plate
into the stud that do the same job of securing

(01:09:59):
the stud to the top plate as those brackets might do. Right,
and obviously they're not visible. They're becoming more common. In fact,
I was in a pre cut pre nail yard the
other day. I was down at pout Car, a frame
and trust just outside of Natia actually and wandering along

(01:10:20):
and I could see these big long screws that they
fastened through the top plate into the studs to do
exactly that. So just because they're not there or you
think they might be there, doesn't mean that they haven't
done it in accordance with building code and the requirements
for bracing and so on and so forth. So I
probably wouldn't have too many concerns at the stage, but hey,

(01:10:41):
look it's one of those things that have a look
on the plan. Maybe wander along, chat with the builder
and just ask them what it is that you're doing.
That should be fine. Jim, all the very best to
you on that one. Hey, actually, yes, it was great.
I wandered through Powter car Frame and Trust they use
quite a bit of j frame for some of their
pre cut pre nail and wandered through and had a

(01:11:04):
chat with Barry, who's there floor manager. Basically had a
look at how they cuddle their I mean it's not
stuff that I haven't seen before, but the automation is
fascinating in terms of the machines that they've got for
cutting and for Trust manufacturing. I think Barry, as you mentioned,
does sometimes listen to the show. So if you're up

(01:11:24):
and about Barry, thanks very much for taking the time
out of your day to let me wander through the
factory with you. It is seven forty two and John greetings.

Speaker 9 (01:11:35):
Good morning feet, Hello John.

Speaker 20 (01:11:38):
Termination flashing into a bumpy stucco wall existing wall on
the plans, it's thirty mil deep by six millimeters. My
question is can that six millimeters go to ten millimeters because,
as you know, the stucco finished quite bumpy and to

(01:12:00):
cut a straight line through that is quite a challenge.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
So where's the termination flashing? Is it a junction between
two different materials or is it a what's it terminating?

Speaker 20 (01:12:16):
Well, I've added on to the I've closed in a
deck on the back of the house and the roof
comes up to the existing stucco rear wall of the house.
So what they mean by termination flashing this is a

(01:12:36):
first for me and I I guess it's terminating so
the water can run down the wall about and onto
the apron flashing. It's a two piece flashing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
Right, Okay, So essentially, where the roof intersects with the
vertical platting, which is stucco, you're going to have a
flashing that extends out onto the roof, goes up and
then goes into the stucco. Flashing and is it. Are
you cutting a line through there and then inserting a
flashing into that?

Speaker 20 (01:13:17):
Yeah, separate flashing.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
Yeah, okay, look you could make it a little bit deeper.
That's not a problem at all. And I take it
that flashing's got a little hem on it, and then
you probably do the cut, clean it out, get rid
of all the dust that's in there, dry fit the
flashing of it fits neatly. Then I would do a
bead of sealant and then insert the flashing and then
another beat of sealant to flush it off at the

(01:13:40):
front edge would be the way to go. And I think,
unless it's got a lot of exposure, that sounds like
a really straightforward and simple solution. So I think you're
on target there, John, all the very best to you.
Quick text from Andy Pete. I know you live in
the perfect world. Not disparaging, but in reality, lbps are
going doing gray area work all of the time. Yes,

(01:14:02):
it's a risk, but it's been going on forever. I'm
shocked at the amount of unconsented work around, but tradees
need to make a living. I guess I don't live
in a perfect world. I'm very aware, but I also
think that you know, we've as an industry where there
are standards right and now, and I'm a huge fan

(01:14:22):
of the fact that there is a code of ethics
for licensed building practitioners and part of that is offering
professional advice. So when someone comes to you and says, oh, look,
can you just knock this up for me, and you
know it requires a consent, you now have an obligation
as an LBP, as a professional to say, hey, look,
I've got to advise you. You need a consent for this work.

(01:14:43):
It's something like an on suite. You know, there's no
way in the world that was ever able to be
done without a consent. It's not a gray area. That's
black and white, right. You know, if you're taking out
a wall and you're not really sure if it's load
bearing or something like that, maybe that's a bit of
a gray area. But you know, we're going to be
held to account, which I think is a good thing.

(01:15:06):
More more and more so, if you're one of those
lbps that's working in that space and you're taking those risks,
you're going to find that you're you're going to be
challenged and you might be being held to account. And
if you think it's a bit like that. Now wait
until the new legislation in terms of compulsory warranties comes through.
That's going to change the landscape. We might we might

(01:15:27):
get the Minister on to talk about that at some stage,
but appreciate the text. Andy, right, We could take a
break back in a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Moment helping you finish that five, but it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
You started the resident builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building today call Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 9 (01:15:45):
There'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
Joining us today is Anthony von Urup, director at Continental Stairs.
It's a family owned business and I know that because
I've been dealing with them for about thirty years, Craft
and Quality Stairs since nine eighty two, and they now
produce about three hundred stairs a month from the Henderson factory.
So Anthony's going to join me to talk about Triboard,
a strong three lane engineered panel with excellent load bearing strength,

(01:16:09):
impact resistance and a smooth paint ready finish that helps
support their staircases in the construction process. Anthony, lovely to
chat with you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
It's great to be here, Peter, and good to talk
with you again.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
Absolutely, Hey. Now, to start off, what led Continental Stairs
to incorporate triboard into the staircase construction process.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
So we initially trialed triboard many many years ago. It's
found it to be a really good, reliable product, and
then last year we reintroduced it as an option to
STEM manufacture for those same reasons. And additionally, now is
the added benefit of being very cost effective.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Right now, the role that the triboard plays within your
typical manufacturing workflow, where does it fit in?

Speaker 9 (01:16:47):
So we would typically use tribal to the treads and
our eyses of a staircase and tended to be subsequently
overlaid with carpet or some other hard or soft floor covering.
For your listeners who may not be familiar to terminology,
treads are the parts of the stare that you step
on when you're using the stead and rise other vertical
pieces in between. Traditionally for two tokis.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
Yes, now triboard, I've used it plenty. So there's three layers.
What benefits does that give you when you're building the stairs?

Speaker 9 (01:17:16):
Well, for us, we've found that this three layered engineer
panel system provides excellent stability in other words, it remains
flat when you cut it with saws or other equipment,
and it also glues well and has good screw holding ability.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Now, from a building perspective, where in the assembly process
does the triboard make the biggest difference for the team.

Speaker 9 (01:17:36):
So, while we have a range of material options, triboard
is a cost effective solution for carpet or overload grade stairs,
and its density also makes it quieter to walk on
than compared to software timber options of a similar sickness peak.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Ah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
Now, are there specific types of projects or design challenges
where the triboard is especially valuable?

Speaker 9 (01:17:56):
Well, again, one of the challenges in the current market
is cost. And I know I think.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
Anthony okay, oh your news TALKSZB small technical issue. Will
come back to that one in a moment. It is
seven fifty two at Newstalk ZB. If you've got a
question of a building nature, you can call us right now.
Now a quick couple of things. Actually, there's been a

(01:18:25):
whole bunch of texts that I need to just quickly address.
Safita is too small to fit the extraction out? What
should I do about it? You can well, in some
cases you can notch out small piece of the top
plate to get out there. But otherwise I think if
the safite's too small, then you probably need to go

(01:18:46):
up and through the roof, which might mean engaging a
roofer to come and help you with that. Pete. With
regard to moisture in the bathroom, what about just cracking
the window open slightly? Yes, but that allows air in,
but it doesn't necessarily always allow air to be extracted out.
You'll remember that warmeir wants to rise, so it's wanting
to towards the ceiling and yeah, backflow. I actually found this,

(01:19:12):
Thank you Bentley again. The reflux valve is awesome. Quite
a looks like quite a complicated bit of cat but
there is a facility there to do that. What else
have we got here on that ruling about fence height.
I'll come back to that one in just a second. Actually, now,

(01:19:35):
if I put my LBP license on hold, can I
work on houses that have had unconsented work done? I
fixed poor workmanship and as usual owners won't want to
put it back as per the plan because the house
gets a bit thin. M If I put my LBP
license on hold, I mean if you do as an LBP,
if you put your license on hold. You can do

(01:19:56):
you can carry on doing building work. You just can't
do restricted building work. Is the simple answer there, Pete.
The guy who called about the on suite not only
said that the trades person was an LBP, but a
single person who did the carpentry, plumbing, and electrical. I
think there's a comment there about paying peanuts and getting monkeys,

(01:20:17):
I think from Mike on that one. So yeah, you
I mean, look, in the end, electrical work has to
be done by a registered electrician, plumbing work needs to
be done by a registered plumber or a license plumber,
and building work if it's restricted, building work needs to
be done by an LBP or supervised by an LBP
as well. And then someone's made a couple of other

(01:20:40):
comments about the people that might undertake this type of work.
We'll leave that for now. Is there a ruling about
fence height if the drop from the garden is over
a meter into a garden below and no fence exists.
If there is a drop of more than a meter,
then you need to typically constrain that by having a
barrier of a meter high, So, for example, on the

(01:21:02):
edge of a retaining wall, if it was in a garden,
you may not necessarily need to, but if it's a
traffickable area, then I think the rules around falling from
heights would apply there as well. So yeah, I think
if it's if you can fall more than a meter
within your property or from a property boundary, then you

(01:21:24):
need to establish a barrier there of up to a
meter as well. Zaye, we'll talk with you about poly erathane.
Straight off to the news. Remember between eight and eight
thirty and nine o'clock the red climb passed is back
on board. So looking forward to question and answer with
Rude from eight thirty this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Fardy, is there a prayer farming?

Speaker 15 (01:21:50):
Somebody say a prayer farmy because appeals then out and
us still Jeousley somebody said a burnous desk because the
bar sat down, and I'm gandley a little.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Where d I Y gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Call the resident builder with Peter Wilfcare and Independent Building
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Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
Balks b number of texts with regard to the conversation
I had with Martin about the on suite and a
couple of people sort of not well thinking that the
the changing things and the on suite could have been
done without necessary acquiring a building consent. I'm pretty sure
that what this is actually about is that an adjacent

(01:23:10):
room to a master bedroom was converted into an on
Sweet and so there's there's no question that that work
would have required a building consent. So we're still talking
about that a little bit. Someone else's text through Morning
Pete regarding the on Sweet renovation, if there's an existing one,
providing the fittings are in the same locations, no consent
is required. Is that right? Yes? Mostly, unless, for example,

(01:23:33):
you've let's say you took out an existing pre formed
shower and added a tile chower. The Typically the tile
chower would require a building consent. But if you're replacing
a shower and it's it's around the number of fittings.
So if there's already let's say, a toilet, a shower,

(01:23:54):
and a handbasin, and the on Sweet stays with a
handbase and a toilet and a shower, then that work
that alterations or freshening up if it's not a tile chower,
could probably be done without getting a building consent. Got
a bunch of other ticks that I'll try and get
to as well, but saying you've been most patient, greetings
and welcome.

Speaker 14 (01:24:15):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (01:24:16):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
I can indeed.

Speaker 21 (01:24:19):
Okay, right, So my issue, so I'm renovating a bungalow completely.
It's it's one hundred years old exactly this year, and
it's got a you know, it's got a medi floor
and the menow floor is a well.

Speaker 13 (01:24:39):
The bungalow is not.

Speaker 21 (01:24:40):
I wouldn't because I wouldn't say it's a very light
one in terms of lightness and windows. So obviously I'm
trying to lighten the rooms. But the metow floor, the
old meta flow is that deep reap color that's go
on and I understand that it's from in the old
days that use a polyurethane with a with a possibly

(01:25:00):
a color in it, or they put a varnish on
it and over the time and i'll oxidizers made this
deep red color. Now, obviously I don't want this deep
red coats too dark, but I and the builders they
wanted to to go with the engineered oak, and I thought,
can I just send back a bit of the floor,

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let have a look at it. So what we did
we sanded back the top part and we found that
this red color was just on the top of the
old sort of yellow brown color underneath. Now I said, okay,
if it's that's the case, I want to keep the
floor and I have a new extension in the front.

(01:25:43):
And they've actually found they've brought other Mattie to kind
of match. Now my question is I obviously don't want
the color to come back deep red again. Now they're
going to go with a water based polyurethane three coats. Now,
I was talking to a man in a floor shop

(01:26:04):
actually Freedom Floors. Apparently he's a very good experienced guy,
and he said, don't use the poly euroth the white
water based poly use a solvent because even though the
color might come back after a few years slowly, it's
it's much harder wearing and it's I guess it's like
using a Collick paint and using an oil based paint.

(01:26:27):
And he said he would also put a sealer on
it and put an extra coat like three coats on it.
And one more thing, he said, don't get them to
fill the crags with a POxy, but use like a
carpets like a filler, because the POxy said with the
floor Moosic can crack and split and better to use

(01:26:49):
something that's more yep. So my question is what would
you do? Would you go for the more the solvent
based better?

Speaker 18 (01:26:57):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:26:58):
I think?

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
I mean this is where you know, like everyone's got
an opinion, and I guess my opinion would be that
I has the floor ever been sanded before?

Speaker 21 (01:27:11):
Well not, I've been in the house thirty years in
a peasant they think they think it's been sanded twice before,
but they have looked at the floor and then it's
good for another standing.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
It's all right that because that's actually important to do.
There is another option as well, which is if you
wanted to lighten the floor, you could apply some color
like blonding basically to the polyurethane that you use to
then lighten it. That's also a possibility. I think in general,

(01:27:47):
water born poly eurethanes water borne is kind of where
the industry is going. So I don't And if you
wanted to achieve some hard wearing, what you can do
is the coat before your top coat, which might be
a matt you could do as a high gloss and
that's what gives you this length and the durability, and

(01:28:07):
then the top coat if you wanted to make it
a more satin finish, you could then apply a mat
or a semi gloss top coat, which is kind of
preferable as well. So I look, I think it does.
In the end, it comes down to the experience of
the floor sander and the coating and that sort of thing.
So I'd probably have the discussion with the person who's

(01:28:28):
actually going to do the work rather than anybody else.
And if you've got a suitably qualified and experienced person,
they should be able to help you out there. But
bearing in mind that all coatings deteriorate over time. But
typically I think most people have had water born polyurethane
as opposed to solvent born have found that it lasts

(01:28:49):
a reasonable amount of time. But it sounds like a
beautiful project and hopefully you get to give your house
a one hundred year birthday party. Right heyoh, it is
twelve minutes after eight, so a few technical issues all
on my part in the conversation with Anthony. Had a
chance to catch up with him a couple of days ago.
We'll come back to Anthony and just a moment, will

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take short break your news talk, said b. Remember the
red Climb passed from eight thirty this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty the resident builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today News talksb.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
Joining us today is Anthony von Urup, director at Continental Stairs.
It's a family owned business and I know that because
I've been dealing with them for about thirty years, craft
and Quality stairs since nineteen eighty two, and they now
produce about three hundred stairs a month from the Henderson factory.
So Anthony's going to join me to talk about tryboard,
a strong, three layer engineered panel with excellent load bearing strength,

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impact resistance and a smooth paint ready finish that helps
support their staircases in the construction process. Anthony, lovely to
chat with you.

Speaker 9 (01:29:58):
It's great to be Peter and good to talk to
you again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
Now to start off, what led Continental Stairs to incorporate
tryboard into the stairs case construction process.

Speaker 9 (01:30:08):
So we initially trilled triboard many many years ago. It's
found it to be a really good, reliable product, and
then last year we reintroduced it as an option to
SDM manufacture for those same reasons. And additionally now is
the added benefit of being very cost effective.

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
So are there specific types of projects or design challenges
where triboard proves especially valuable.

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
So one of the challenges in the current market Peter's costs,
and I think I've already mentioned cost before, so tribalboard
is a good option to consider to meet that head on.
And also with the pace of building buildings are constructed
of roofs on and that very quickly these days, so
making them weather tight and therefore trialboards so great fiable
option to consider the use of timber stair construction.

Speaker 6 (01:30:50):
Absolutely so in business since nine eighty two. What's on
the horizon for Continental in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 9 (01:30:57):
Well, thankfully we're seeing an increased activity in ours in
construction market again it's gently creeping upwards, so our workload
is definitely picking up, and as you mentioned before, with
our capacity will over three hundred stairs per month, were
well positioned to supply the market. Our clients appreciate our
compliance guarantees in a fifteen new warranty which includes a
non squad guarantee. So hopefully twenty twenty six is going

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to be a great year for us, and.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
The best way for people to get a hold of
you at Continental Stairs.

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
So they can reach us on eight hundred nine hundred
nine to one nine or info at Stairs dot code
at endzed and be directed to me or any of
my experienced technical team, or they can also check us
out on our website Stairs dot co dot INZED.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
Anthony. Always a pleasure chatting with you. Thanks for your
time today, folks. If you want to know more about
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Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
News talk zed be act.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
She was pretty cool catching up with Anthony. We did
that recording a couple of weeks ago. And because I've
been gosh, I can't so long ago since I think
the first time I went out to Continental Stairs, it's
got to be like twenty five years ago, and they've
been in business thirty years. I think I was out
there pretty early, including one time going out for an
antique tool Collector's Club meeting, which we chuckled about as well.

(01:32:13):
And they made the last set of stairs from a
little project right he oh oh, one hundred and eighty ten.
I would take a couple more quick calls before we
jump into the garden. We'd climb pass back with us
from eight point thirty this morning, Joan.

Speaker 17 (01:32:26):
Hello, Yes, good morning, Peter. Just have a query if
you don't mind about plumbing. For several years I had
constant noises in my pipes from the neighbors leaking pipes. Oh,
they were all fixed. The neighbor got the more fixed
and they're perfect silence. But now several times through the
day and night, I have this instant flow of water

(01:32:49):
forcefully through my pipes. Now, my son in law came out.
We thought it might be something to do with the
head of tank and ceiling. He had a look. There's
nothing wrong with the ballcop there, and it's not leaking
anywhere that he can see. It's not leaking out of
the pipe that brings the overflow out onto the yard.
If it does overflow, nothing like that's happening. But and

(01:33:12):
it takes about as long as the if you were
filling up a large system, a large one that's whole,
and then it cuts off. But it's constant, and I
don't know, we don't know where the water is going.
I don't know. I've grown the water company, the Wellington
Water Company, and they haven't been yet, but they're going

(01:33:34):
to check the Toby and they're going to run something
around the yard to see whether they can detect any leaks.
Whatever's happening. You can be in the bathroom and suddenly
you get this wild force of water. And as I say,
it lasts about as long as filling up a large system.

Speaker 6 (01:33:53):
When you say a wild force, this is just a
sound that you can hear.

Speaker 17 (01:33:57):
He is just the sounds. And so where Peter, I
don't know where the water is going. It seems to
be far too often if it is going into the
headed tank, simply because I live alone and I don't
use enough water.

Speaker 10 (01:34:15):
For sure.

Speaker 17 (01:34:16):
Yeah, it's a mystery. I'm going to to if you'd
struck the mystery in the parish with anyone.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
I suppose the things that's flum mixing me and you
and your son and that sort of thing is if
there's water flowing, then it's got to be going somewhere. Right,
So typically you know, we turn off all the taps
in our house, the lines are full of water. You
don't hear anything because nothing's moving. So if something is
suddenly moving, it's got to be going somewhere either. Hard

(01:34:43):
to imagine it going back and then coming forward, because
there's constant pressure on the line. Look, I think it's
probably you know, worth getting a plumber, you know, an
experienced plumber to come in. They might be familiar with it,
they might be able to test it, certainly getting just
checking that the toby. So essentially what you do is
turn everything off inside the house, don't use the water,

(01:35:06):
go out to the meta, record the meter, and then
maybe go back at least four hours later and record
the meter again. And if the met has moved, then
it indicates that you've got a leak somewhere. If it
hasn't moved, then you can discount that theory.

Speaker 17 (01:35:22):
So, Peter, is there a meta on the toby?

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Yeah, there will be a little dial that's oh and
how no there's not. Because you're in Wellington. You don't
pay for water, do you?

Speaker 9 (01:35:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
No, far out.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
I find that just absolutely staggering that you have no
way of measuring your consumption whatsoever. Right, Oh, well, then
it might have to be Wellington Water come out and
actually install a meter on the line in order for
you to check whether.

Speaker 19 (01:35:52):
Or not it's.

Speaker 17 (01:35:56):
I just I no, Peter, I'm sorry to be a pain.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
No, no, no, I just find it difficult to I mean,
you know, Auckland. We've had water meters since I don't
know whenever, certainly since I was a kid. So the
idea that you can't check what usage is more important,
that you can't get built just for what you use
and that's enough, is staggering. But then again it's Wellington.
We shouldn't be surprised that they don't have their act
together with water. I think give an experienced plumber to

(01:36:24):
come in and have a look is going to be
the best bet. All right, all the very best, you
take care of all the best. Um. I've got a
bunch of texts to try and get through very quickly,
a whole bunch that have come and ship let board
with some gum bleeding, how to go about treating it,
scrape it? And then there are some stained blocking primers
that you might be able to use on that insult fluff.

(01:36:46):
Does it contain asbestos? Not necessarily that product, but other
insulation products have been found to have traces of asbestos
with regard to asbestos test test tests, So simply go
and get it tested. My bathroom we've talked a lot
about bathrooms and extraction. My bathroom was with me. It

(01:37:09):
was just fine. Now two extra people where found that
the mold has really increased. Open the windows. There's no
most moisture window closed, regardless of extractor, and I've got
major moisture problems. Well, simple answers. Possibly keep the window open,
that'll help there as well, but certainly making sure that
you've got decent extraction. And I think take advantage of

(01:37:30):
some of the new technology, so I've installed them myself.
I've got a couple more to do. These are the
constant flow so they actually measure the humidity in the
room and then use it from there. And this is
a really interesting one toocope fire escapes compulsory on you
two story buildings. I see that some know they're not.
It's a simple answer. There is a formula because building

(01:37:53):
consents do have to comply with fire regulations, and there
is a formula in terms of distance from the roadway,
time to travel, and how long it takes the fire
brigade to get a fire hose from where they can
park the truck to a certain distance within the house.

(01:38:13):
So there is actually a metric for all of this. Also,
by the way, a couple of weeks ago we had
quite a discussion on the program around this whole fire
fighting supply, water supply for firefighting where there's not a
toby or a hydrant in the street. I've started to
make some inquiries, but to be really honest, I've kind

(01:38:33):
of had a block wall on that which I find
really intriguing. So leave that with me. I'll continue to
dig around on that a couple of other quick things
as well. In a couple of weeks I'm going down
to the wood turning the Golden Chisll competition in Palmerston North,
which will be fantastic. That's in the middle of May,
early in May, so second and third of May here

(01:38:56):
in Auckland and Poppatoytoy actually where I grew up. As
it happens, there is the National Wood Expo. I'm sure
you can find it online. But if you're interested in woodworking,
would earning those sorts of things, even if it's you
work in a way as a hobby in your back shed.
They've got some local people, very experienced woodworkers, as well
as some international people coming to speak. I thought, surely

(01:39:18):
I'm going to be in christ Church that weekend, but
it is on the National Wood Expo and the other
thing that I've been doing a little bit of is
there's a bit of video content around double glazing. So
if you want to have a look at a little
series we're doing called Smarter Glass, Better Living, go to
my Facebook page. If you want to resident Builder Peter
wolf Camp, or go to the website resident Builder, or

(01:39:40):
have a look at the Retro DG website. There's a
whole lot of really good, succinct little video clips that
we've done explaining and demystifying double glazing. Right root climb
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