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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
At BO.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
The Resident Building.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
You don't want a wolf Camp.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You hear you're a key bill building today.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
The house sizzle even when it's done, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when the
dog is.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Too old to bar.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
And when you're sitting at the table trying not to stop.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
Scissor even when we are then, even when you're there.

Speaker 7 (01:06):
You know, houses a home even when there's ghost even
when you got around from the ones you love, your
most screamed door, broken paints, peeling from the wood.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Locals whisper when they're going to leave in the neighbor.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
The house is a home even when wheelber Band, even
when you're in there alone, he is a home.

Speaker 8 (02:05):
Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday. You with me Pete wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to chat
about your place basically. So it's all about building. It's
all about construction. It's all about maintenance. Repairs might be renovations,
it might be new builds, anything to do with carpentry, construction,

(02:27):
getting those jobs done preparing our houses. You know, we
certainly well into into winter at the stage. I know
it's been pretty mild, but heavy rain, cold nights. If
you feel a draft whipping around the edge of the curtains,
then maybe it's time to look at the joinery and go, gosh,
you know that sash that doesn't quite close properly, which
means that I have to tug onto the handle, And

(02:49):
it's binding at the bottom, which means that I've left
a gap, which means that the air, the cold air
comes in, the warm air is escaping. What can I
do about that? Those sorts of things. If you've got
a question about building, about construction, about the rules and regulations,
and I know from time to time we spent a
little bit of time talking about the intricacies of the legislations,

(03:12):
but these things actually kind of determine what we can do,
when we can do it, and sort of what the
consequences are of not doing it right. And in fact,
I caught up with a friend yesterday talking about a
situation where a house that had sort of been in
the family for a while, there had been some alterations done.

(03:33):
People know that the work either didn't get a consent
or perhaps wasn't up to consent standard, and then it's like,
how do we unravel that? At the end, you know,
someone might have taken a wall out, someone might have
added a sanitary fitting, added a bathroom, let's say, didn't
get a consent for it. And then inevitably everything sells right,
might be not for a long time.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But it does.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
And then eagle eyed prospective purchases come through and they go, well,
it didn't look like that was on the plan, or
I'm not sure the house looked like that at the beginning,
and it becomes a genuine problem and an increasingly difficult
problem to resolve these days, with banks and insurers and
so on being a lot less risk, a lot more

(04:18):
risk averse rather so, if you've got a question about
any of those things, it's a fairly broad palette that
we get to play with on a Sunday morning here
at news Talk ZB if you've got a question about building,
about maintenance, about products as well. In fact, I had
a knock on the door quite early this week and
a whole bunch of boxes appeared on the door, a
new product that someone sent me to try out. I'll

(04:41):
tell you a little bit more about that later on
in the show. Later in the show, we are also
going to have a bit of a catch up with
Kim Aiken. She's an engineer who has been developing a
sort of an alternative framing system for I guess compact housing.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
It's called Trusshouse.

Speaker 8 (04:59):
I'd seen it around, I'd heard about it, and then
while I was down at Field Days they had actually
what was a three bedroom house about one hundred and
ten hundred and twenty square meters built with the sort
of innovative framing methodology, and in fact at Field Days
this year she won the Innovation Award. So we're going

(05:21):
to catch up with Kim after eight o'clock. As always,
around eight thirty we'll jump into the garden with Redcline
past as well. But right now, between now and eight thirty,
it's your opportunity, it's your well, you get to drive
the bus. Basically, what do you want to talk about?
What questions do you have?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Are there?

Speaker 8 (05:38):
Is there a particular task perhaps that you've started and
ith you know, this happens right, It might be going well,
it might not be. Or there's a job that has
gone well, but maybe you've got some issues with the contractor,
and I've kind of.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Been dealing with a couple of those. It's always kind of.

Speaker 8 (05:55):
A not a depressing part, but every now and then
people kind of reach out and they go, look, I've
had this contractor and it could be a variety of things.
It might be roofing, it might be carpentry, it might
be drainage, any number of building related tasks done, and
yet the performance of the person has not been that great,

(06:17):
and then it's like, how do I deal with that?
And in fact, earlier in the week I managed to
catch up. I spent a couple of days at Building Z.
I think a couple of people took the opportunity to
come along and have a bit of a chat or
lots of people went obviously, but some people had come
along and wanted to make sure that they caught up
with me, which was really really cool, So some nice
conversations with people. There was a whole bunch of politicians.

(06:41):
Five political parties I think were represented on the first day,
with their kind of visions of what they wanted to
achieve looking forward, given that there is an election at
the end of the year, so representatives from Labor, from National,
from the Greens, from ACT and from Opportunities Party. Interesting

(07:02):
that there was no New Zealand first representative, and I
know that the organizers and vice all of them. Either way,
it wasn't a bad panel, actually some of them. I've
been to a couple of these over the years, and
every now and then I have to be really honest.
You kind of listen in and given I have a
particular interest in the topic that they are particularly interested in,

(07:23):
you kind of do shake your head and go, gee,
I really don't hope. I really hope that you're not
holding the levers of power or having some influence over
building and construction in the future. But I was reasonably
impressed by most of the people that presented on was
it Wednesday at Buildings ed Either way, if you want
to have a bit of a chat, if you want

(07:44):
to talk about contractors, if you want to talk about products,
new ideas, a little bit of innovation. It's a broad palette.
Like I say, that we get to play with so
we can make up some colors, we can do some
funky stuff. If you'd like to talk building and construction,
give me a call right now. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
To call. That's what I was going to mention.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Caught up before buildings ed on one morning while actually
cunningly finding a meeting place that had the England Argentina
game playing. So it was a good conversation, but it
was just ever so slightly distracted by the football with
a gentleman who's now setting up or reinvigorating the Insulation

(08:23):
Association of New Zealand. So this is all about promoting
better standards for I guess, the supply and the installation
in particular of insulation, and it's one of those things
that I think for those who have been around for
a little while, insulation was always the job that was
given to the apprentice because nobody else wanted to do it,
and the apprentice did it begrudgingly, but didn't really not

(08:45):
always do it particularly well, nor did they completely understand
what they were doing. And I'm thinking about my own
experience putting insulation in thirty odd years ago. It was
kind of let's just cut it, shove it in as
quickly as possible and get onto the next job. Right
Whereas I was at a house on Friday that's being
built to a very very high standard. They're aiming for

(09:07):
passive house certification for this. Obviously insulation is a huge
component to that, but the care and attention and detail
of the people who were installing the installation on this
job was absolutely next level. Like it's it's possibly the
best installation of insulation job that I have ever well

(09:28):
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
It would be up there.

Speaker 8 (09:30):
With the top ten jobs that I've ever seen. In fact,
I was so excited I took a photograph of one
part of it and sent it to the guy that
I'd been chatting with, Nick and said, this will make
you happy, and it was.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
It was just stunning.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
So well, you know, simple jobs done well make a
big difference, So talk to me about your projects. The
lines are open. The number to call will take a
short break. We'll come back with your calls in just
a moment. We always get busy later in the show,
so if you've got a question, now is a really
good time to call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Of course, you're more than welcome to text which is

(10:02):
nine two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone
and give me a minute. I'll figure out what the
tapas word is. Get into my emails so Pete atnewstalksb
dot co dot nz is the email as well. So
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Helping you finish that five and it fixed.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
You started the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call OH
eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talks B.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
EO news TALKSB twenty minutes after six O eight hundred
eighty ten eighty the number to call. And of course
the game will finish nice or today's show. Rather, I
was thinking we'll finish nicely in time for the third
fourth playoff at at kicks off at nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I look to be fair, and you've.

Speaker 8 (10:52):
Probably picked up I'm a pretty big football fan, so
hopefully this third and fourth game turns out to be what.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
We all hope for.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Football is just like an exhibition of excellence and so on,
doesn't turn into a hack living daylights out of the
other guy because you're a bit grumpy about not making
it to the final. So it'll be interesting. And then
of course tomorrow morning, as it happens, don't have any
meetings tomorrow morning, which is pretty good planning on my
part as opposed to this week where I did meetings
for the during the semi finals. In you who it's

(11:21):
been great? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number
to call Lynn good morning to you. Hi, good Haylen
House things.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
Good, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (11:30):
I was just wondering, could you please tell me the
name and the phone number of the person who you're
going to have on your show in three or four
weeks about installing the heat pumps with the whole water
cylinders with the heat pumps.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
What we did a couple of weeks ago, probably a
few a month and a bit ago, was a gentleman
by the name of Shane la Page who works at
ECA so Eka of their Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority,
and so it's an independent view. It's basically a government
level view of you know why we should look at

(12:09):
changing from potentially changing from gas to electricity, or you
know why these heat pump hot water systems are so effective.
So we had a long chat about it, but I
did realize at the end of the chat that I
hadn't actually asked them what is it about hot water
heat pumps that makes them so effective. I had a

(12:29):
brief chat with some of the guys from Steeple Altrom
who are a supplier of those systems at buildings in
the other day. But we'll get chained back on the program.
I haven't set a date, but it'll be sometime in
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Interesting that you mentioned.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
It, though, because I guess one of the sort of
the discussion that's going along with that question around upgrading
from standard to high performing hot water systems is also
a discussion that lots of people are having around if
I've got gas hot water, should I look at transitioning
from gas to electric? And I've actually got in about

(13:05):
three weeks time, Jeffrey, who's head of gas in z
coming onto the show to talk about gas.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
And I guess some of that controversy around.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
You know, if in a domestic situation, if I've got gas,
should I be looking at getting rid of my gas
and going to electric. It'd be interesting to hear from
someone who's representing the gas side of the discussion.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
So that'll be coming up in a couple of weeks
time as well.

Speaker 10 (13:28):
Oh, I think so it's just that, Yeah, I'm thinking
of changing something too. Yeah, but are because I spend
between three and five dollars a month on my gas,
but the changes are sixty one dollars. That's the line now, Yeah, yes,
because my son's coming over from Perth and a couple
of weeks and it's going to be before Jeffrey's going

(13:49):
to be.

Speaker 11 (13:49):
On your show, okay, and I'm hoping.

Speaker 12 (13:51):
Yeah, that might be able to do something before then.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Yeah, I must have a look around and see whether
there's like a public forum where these things are being
discussed as well. Certainly, if you want to find out more,
have a look at the ECO website. I'm sure there'll
be some information there. I'm pretty sure that brands I've
probably done a little bit of research on it as well.
But certainly looking forward to having I guess, allowing both
sides of the question to have a chance to talk

(14:16):
about it, which I'm really looking forward to.

Speaker 10 (14:19):
Oh you know, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I thank you very.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Much, no trouble to enjoy your stay, stay tuned, Thank
you very much. Take care there.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
I think, I mean, I think it's important in these
sorts of things to have to have the opportunity to
engage with I guess the other party. So, and I
don't know what it's like at your place. But I
know over the last little while I've had any number
of discussions. I might have mentioned this last week on
the show Made of Mine, come around, came around, pardon me,

(14:50):
came around last Saturday to the workshop to borrow.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
A Rivet gun.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
And then in amongst all of the other conversations was
this conversation about, well, look, actually right now I've got
gas for my hot water and hot water heating as
an not for showers, but it runs the radiators as well. No, no,
it powers the boiler that does the deducted hot air

(15:16):
system that they've got in the house and for cooking
and that sort of thing. At what point do I go, actually,
you know what, I should transition off gas for domestic
use and go to electricity. And do I then do
that at the same time as going for maybe a
solar array and so on and so forth. So I
think lots of people are having that discussion. That's why
I want to have the discussion with both ECA just

(15:40):
as an independent voice around energy efficiency, and then with
gas en Z as well. They were certainly fairly vocal
about their opinions of I think Labour's policy which will
increase solar and will take the money from basically money
that we put into gas and exploration. It's a little
bit more nuanced than that, it's the broad idea. So

(16:01):
we'll get both of those groups on in the next
couple of weeks. Oh eight, ten eighty the number to
call Stuart. Very good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (16:08):
Good morning, Pete. I've got a question about the ten
year builders warranty. What if the developer goes into liquidation
and the person that built the house also either retires
or passes on, what happens to the warranty in that situation.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Look, it's fair to say that nobody is one hundred
percent sure about how all of this will work. But
typically so for example, if you're let's say you're an
engineer and you've got a professional indemnity insurance, your policy
will have the ability to have a ten year carry
on period. So that doesn't necessarily mean that if you

(16:52):
retire as an individual you need to continue paying. It
just means that the nature of the policy that you
have your premiums covered, the fact that it will run
for a period of time after you might stop trading.
And so in the same way, let's say, see I

(17:13):
don't actually think it's going to be the developer.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, maybe it is.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Maybe it will be the developer who will be able
to offer the warranty product. Most likely it'll be the
builder who's going to offer it, right And in that sense,
the builder will tie themselves either to an organization or
to an ensurer that will ensure that the product that

(17:38):
the warranty is available even if they cease trading, or
if they retired, or if they moved overseas, or they
had a change of heart and became a fisherman or
something like that, there should be a carry on period
to the policy. The reason that not everything is clear
is obviously it hasn't become legislation yet. It will do,

(17:58):
I think soon, and it's likely to be implemented by
I think the target is September twenty twenty seven. But
right now there's only three providers who are in the
market at the moment. There are others that are being
talked about, but nobody's it's the best of my knowledge,
none of that's definite. So there's three providers right now,

(18:21):
and in fact, the New Zealand's due to building surveyors
have just released kind of an analysis of the three providers,
what they offer, what it looks like, what it covers,
what it doesn't cover, and so on.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (18:33):
I'm pretty sure that's available for public use as well.
I'll check that actually, So if you did want to
know really really specific detail, there has been some analysis
done by building professionals, which is the New Zealand's due
to building surveys.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
Right, Okay, so this one because looking at a new
build and they have one of the advertisers that you know,
we can guarantee a teen year yep. I think there's
a two year one borrowed on by the tent.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
It's interesting at the moment because like I was talking
to someone who knows a building company I think it's
in christ Church actually, and they offer themselves a three
year warranty on so typically one year. And the other
thing is there's going to be that overlap between existing coverage, right,

(19:23):
so you know under the Consumer Guarantees Act, under the
Fair Trading Act, those sorts of things. Under the Building Act,
builders who complete houses already have a certain responsibility, but
this obviously is going to extend it. And again to
put it in context, the reason that I guess government
central government are introducing. This is because there is also

(19:46):
going to be a shift from joint and several liability,
which is the liability setting at the moment, through to
proportional liability. And the concern is in the event that
counsel are not going to be held one hundred percent
responsibility responsible for a defect because they are only they've

(20:06):
only been judged to be responsible for ten percent of it,
then who's going to pay the rest if other people
have gone?

Speaker 13 (20:15):
That's the really big issue. Yes, thanks, yeah, so it
is a work in progress. Okay, yeah, all right, no
worries man, take care.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
Sorry, it's not a simple answer because it's not going
to be a simple situation. One of the people I
caught up with at Building z over the last couple
of over Wednesday Thursday was Carl Taylor CBS in christ
Church the nationwide. But he's been quite vocal himself in
terms of saying, hey, I think there are some challenges.

(20:49):
I think there's some problems with the proposed legislation. He
in particular is concerned about builders who are not part
of either of the main sort of building associations in
terms of other master builders or certified builders and what's
the part way for them to be able to offer
a warranty product which is a genuine concerns.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I've had a quick chat with him at Building Z.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
Over the course of the week, but I think we might,
oh we might get him on the show as well.
Oh eight hundred got a lot of guests to talk to.
Oh wait, but more importantly, we're talking to you. So
if you've got a question, Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Coming up six thirty
one here at.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
NEWSTALKSB where DIY gets unstuck. Call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. The resident builder with Peter Wolfcam and Independent
Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today, News talksb.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
Writy own News Talks B. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty the number to call. A bit of catch up
with a couple of these texts. Recommendation to repair a
crack five milimeter gap in the gutter, please, we've got
rainwater tanks that needs to be safe for that. Further
to the above, would it be a big job to replace?
I remove roofing irons. That's an easy fix. I wonder
whether what you're talking about China is a gap in

(22:08):
the internal or concealed spouting that's behind a metal facier board,
in which case they are tricky to repair the other
thing showing if you don't mind, just tell me is
it metal or is it PVC? Those are two typically,
Well that's about it. I think in terms of spouting,
it's either going to be metal or PVC. So I

(22:30):
kind of need to know that as well. Bedroom with
the wardrobe next to the bathroom, could you take the
wardrobe out to make the bathroom bigger? And would you
need a permit for this? Can you take a window
out and replace it with a door, and would you
need a permit for this? So it's building consents now.
Permits were pre nineteen ninety two. But bedroom with a

(22:51):
wardrobe next to the bathroom, could you take it out
and make the bathroom bigger? I think removing the wall
most likely will trigger a requirement for building consent because
of either bracing or load bearing. Could you take a
window out and reply with a door? Yes you can,
as long as you don't widen the lintel in any way,

(23:13):
So yes you can do that. But I suspect changing
the bathroom probably triggers the requirement for building consent Peton January,
we had a fire and a farmhouse. The insurance loss
adjuster has decided that it's repairable and has sent out
for quotes. The house hasn't been protected from the elements
at all. Our concern is how do we ensure the
quality of the repair and how much, say, do we

(23:35):
have in the scope of works. I would have thought
that the insurance company is responsible for ensuring that the
building is rebuilt in accordance with the building code. I
would have also thought that if they were going to repair,
they would have had some role in protecting it from
the elements, because you've now got subsequent damage. So you know,

(23:58):
for example, if there was a hole in the roof
and it's been raining and the building has become wet,
that then there's something and they're around insure as not
being responsible for subsequent damage. I think in this instance,
I would say, maybe go to a licensed building practitioner,
go to a building survey and get them or a

(24:20):
quantity survey and get them to assess the scope of
works to determine whether or not it does cover all
of the damage, because that's what you're paying your insurance for.
I'll come to a few more texts in a minute.
Oh eight ten eighty the number to call Joe.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Good morning, Yes, morning, Peter.

Speaker 14 (24:39):
I have a question for you please. Last week you
were talking to a gentleman about he wanted to put
bats in his wall as you were talking about the
cavity and the moisture. Yep, I've got a sixties stucco home.
I guess the sixties somewhere around there. I was wanting
to put Insaul max Well insult fluff in the walls

(25:03):
for you know, for insulation. How would you go about
that if you don't have that that paper or the
ease we're talking about.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
Yeah, sure, I think over the year, isn't it. Various
home shows and events and that sort of thing. I've
had the opportunity to talk to a number of the
different companies that do the injected retrofit solutions for insulation,
and there's there's obviously a little bit of difference between

(25:39):
a foam system and a fiber one. A number of
those systems have brands appraisal, so they believe that they've
got a system that allows them to do the work
in accordance with the building code and to the standard
of the building code, even if the existing cavity doesn't

(26:03):
necessarily have like a vapor barrier or a building wrap
against the back of the cladding. And so that's I
suppose what they do is they accommodate that by having
a product that you might refer to as hydrophobic, so
it doesn't hold water. Ye, And it's excuse me, so
in that sense, if a little bit of moisture enters

(26:25):
the cavity, it's not likely to be trapped there. For me,
the concern is always, you know, is there some sort
of ventilation that allows for drying? And I guess in
your instance, if you've got plasterboard on the inside, timber framing,
and then nineteen sixties stucco, which do you know whether
see I wonder whether your nineteen sixties stucco might actually

(26:47):
have building paper, because I think by then they did
have some building wraps. And if it's nineteen sixties, as
I recall it, not that I was building in the
nineteen sixties, but it would be building paper. It would
be possibly like little bottle caps and then some chicken
mesh and that's what the render was applied to. So yeah,

(27:08):
I think the injected systems are worth investigating. But everyone,
no matter what system is installed, everyone has to prove
compliance with the building code, so a building consent will
be required or an exemption. But as a homeowner you
should have something in writing from the council to say

(27:29):
that this work can be done either with a building consent.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
That is limited.

Speaker 8 (27:35):
So there's a pathway for some of these groups to go.
We've got a system, we've proved that it works. We
go along, We inform counsel and they don't have to
check anything. They just send us out building consent that
says yep, you're fine to go, and then there's typically
no requirement for a final on site inspection. And then

(27:56):
once it's done, evidence is presented to counsel and a
CCC is issued. And that's been experienced that I've got
firsthand knowledge of.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So whoever you're talking to.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
The one question that they can't get away from is
how do you manage the building consent? Because it's quite
clear any retrofit insulation into existing exterior walls requires a
building consent and don't. My personal view would be if
someone says no, you don't need them, I wouldn't use them,

(28:32):
right unless they can prove why they don't need it.

Speaker 14 (28:36):
It's quite funny because I've been thinking about doing my
roof and I've been listening to your show and make
sure they said something a roof, And I said, well,
don't you have to have a building consent? And again
I said, well, I'll be listening to.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
No, actually, reroofing some and some you know, reroofing like
for like typically doesn't require a building consent.

Speaker 14 (28:58):
No, No, it's tile going to own you see.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
Now that's up for debate, right, But from what I've read,
the concern there because often what we're worried about is, Okay,
tiles are heavy, iron is lighter. Therefore you know it's
not adding load to the building. So structurally there's no problem.
The concern with moving from heavyweight you know, concrete tiles
to lightweight or lighter weight iron is uplift, right, So

(29:26):
you just got to make sure that whoever's doing the job,
they'll probably have to replace all of the batons with pearlins.
The pearlins need to be fixed down, and ideally the
trusses should get some extra fixing onto the top plate
to ensure that you don't get uplift. Yep, yeah, you
won't know yourself. With a new roof and insulation in

(29:47):
the walls, it'll be it'll be a whole new house.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Oh yeah, it.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
Rolled over, buddy, So you and me both will be
off buying another ticket this week.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Hey, great chat, Thanks very much. Take care, said Joe.

Speaker 8 (30:05):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Will talk to
Chris just before the break.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Christ I understand you know something about building surveys a
little bit, and my wife and I sorted, under the
advice of the real estate agent, that we should get
the building surveys and just check some stuff out in
our area of the house. And the chap turned up
and we showed them the areas of the house that

(30:33):
we wanted to surveys and report it on, and that
was quite clear. However, when the report came in, which
wasn't released until it was paid for, the building surveyor
included the whole house, and because that that uncovered or

(30:59):
exposed other things in his mind that needed to be
or should be a tended to, we were then in
a position where we had to declare absolutely everything in
that report because we have knowledge, see, yes, what's my recourse,
what's the building server?

Speaker 8 (31:20):
Can I be just really crystal clear on this. The
person that did the report, are they a registered building
surveyor or are they a like a property inspection person
registered building surveyor? Yep, I guess the scope of work.

(31:44):
If you ask them to just inspect one part of
the job or one part of the house, and didn't
want them to inspect the other, but they have gone
and done that, I guess I can understand why you
might be a little bit frustrated about that. And now

(32:09):
that you've got knowledge, of course, if you're asked, you
have to declare.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
That's part of.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
Law, which puts you perhaps in a slightly challenging position.
Was the result of the survey in the areas that
you didn't ask the person to assess of particular concern?
Like is it relatively minor because all buildings have got defects.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Right, that's true.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
But givenly.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Given the size of the property, a small problem multiplied
by yeah, sure, small problems becomes made a big problem. YEP.
My question is what recalls do I have with the bier.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
It'll be a contract thing, won't It'll be what was
the nature of the engagement, because they probably would have
into letter of engagement with terms and conditions.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
No, they didn't do that. It was just if you
want us to come, and then you get the bill
and they say this report will be released.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yep, once the report has done.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
I think the best thing is if you could stand
the line and I'll put you in touch with someone
who'll be able to help you. Okay, all right, stand
like Chris. Thanks very much for that, Ridio. We'll take
a short break. We'll be back with Peter in just
a moment. If you've got a question. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Call, measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The resident builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building
supplies the future of ken We Building Today News Talk quick.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
Text that came in earlier. Pete, we are building a
steel framed weather poord weatherboard clad garage.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
I used rapid dry putty to fill the screw holes.
It was a sunny but cool day. The putty started
flaking off the next week. Clearly I need to redo it.
But please tell me, do I need to pack, perhaps
with a nail, all the putty in the holes out
or just the stuff that flakes off. I guess if
you've had essentially a failure, then even the bits that

(34:28):
haven't failed yet might be prone to failure. So I think,
in an abundance of caution, I would probably go round
with a little pick or even actually like a slightly
blunt drill bit, because obviously if you're fixing weatherboards onto
steel framing, they would have used a screw like a
jolt screw, and I just go round with a slightly

(34:52):
blunt drill bit and simply just drill them all out
and then have a look for some of the epoxy
fillers that are out there. So one that I've been
using recently is called epo Tech, and you could find
that online by it directly and have it courier to you.
It's a two pot and it's I think it's a
lot more stable and it will adhere better. There's a

(35:13):
couple of versions of that out there, and certainly I
know it's a fairly common problem where with fiber cement,
weatherboard contractors will use the wrong type of filler for
the nail holes.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And it won't last.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
So there's like fiber cments different there's a very specific
filler that you're supposed to use there but for weatherboards.
Have a look at some of the epoxy two pot
epoxy fillers, particularly the Epotech is one that I've been
using recently.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Works for me.

Speaker 8 (35:43):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Peter.

Speaker 15 (35:47):
Good morning, very good morning. Just a brief comment on Australia.
Years ago, a friend that a house renovation YEP, three
quotes and one was exceptionally low.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
YEP.

Speaker 15 (36:00):
They went with that quote and then the roof leaked
and the builder went vast and the amount of time
and frustration to rectify that problem afterwards, they would have
been better to pay the more expensive quote.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
But the thing to be blunt, you would have seen
that coming a mile away, right. I know a situation
where someone got I think it was seven quotes for
the same work, right, which is nonsense. But anyway, they
got seven quotes and then they took the lowest quote,
and then the thing was a failure. And you go, well,

(36:36):
I could have told you, like, I'm not being smuggle
or anything like that, but that's what happens, right Yeah, yeah, okay,
So in this situation, someone has taken the lowest quote.

Speaker 15 (36:48):
No, no, no, I'm not talking about that comments. The
issue that I have is that when you read the
builders and the suppliers supply a big contractor and the
contractor goes broke and all the subs and the flower
to me, there needs to be legislation that text the
money that you know these people do. Is there anything

(37:10):
overseas that does that, or is there any plans for
New Zealand to do that or not.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
There are a couple of products, let's say, on offer
at the moment in New Zealand that will provide assistance
to a homeowner in the event that the original contractor
ceases trading. Right either I think they actually have to
cease trading and basically go into liquidation or receivership, and

(37:36):
then the body will take over and finish the work.
But that's kepped to a certain degree as well. So
there are some products like that already available, not many
of them basically too that I'm aware of. But in
terms of being able to like, if you're a homeowner,
could you take out an insurance policy that would pay

(38:00):
out in the event that the contractor went under that's
a really interesting question.

Speaker 15 (38:06):
But what about commercial There's the manly thing about commercial
because they normally get the biggest loss those suppliers.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Well, given that, I'm aware of a mediation that took
place the other day with fifty two parties joined to
the litigation, and they started mediation at nine o'clock in
the morning. This is after two years of legal efforts
and finished somewhere after midnight and got some sort of resolution. Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I guess what.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
We're all looking for is is there a quicker, simpler,
more straightforward way of preventing these disasters from happening? And
I right now, no, there's not to be, if I'm
really honest.

Speaker 15 (38:55):
Yes, well that's and of course, whether it's an insurance
thing or people losing the money, that all has to
be priced into whether it's commercial or residential of doing business,
so that probably means the price will go up.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
I mean, imagine, imagine the dollars that are involved in
that tower that's sitting in downtown Auckland that's unfinished at
the moment.

Speaker 15 (39:18):
Yeah, and the weather damage now.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
Yeah, that's right, and all of the issues along with that.
I guess what it also emphasizes is you know, the
doing your due diligence around which contractor you engage with.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Is so important.

Speaker 8 (39:38):
And I'm not saying that the lowest price is always
going to be a problem. But you know, in that
instance that I described, if you get seven prices and
you choose the lowest one and then it doesn't go well,
you shouldn't be surprised. I guess if you get you know,
if you've got a major job underway and you choose
you get three quotes, hopefully you've already checked their references.

Speaker 12 (40:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
I think like for a client, there should be no
reason why you shouldn't be able to ask for financials
from your builder, you know, some sort of evidence to
say what's the state of your business. I don't think that,
you know, is unreasonable to do. If you're about to
engage with a builder, let's say, for a new build,

(40:22):
and you're going to be handing over what six seven,
eight nine a million dollars to someone to administer essentially
on your behalf, to create a new house for you
and your family, why wouldn't you sit down and have
a discussion to go Okay, not necessarily open your books,
but you know, can I get a letter from your lawyer?
Can I get a letter from your accountant? Maybe a

(40:44):
letter from your bank to say that you're solvent, that
you've got a good trading history, and that I can
feel confident that you're going to administer my money in
a responsible manner.

Speaker 15 (40:56):
Absolutely, and that applies to supply some big building sites. Yeah,
that one you talked about. I said, what sort of
guarantee to the real estate person? Can you a very
big coming? But I guarantee, Peter.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
I've got to run for the news, but I think
you raise a really really important issue and that's probably
a good discussion for some time in the future as well.
I'll get someone on for that news at seven top
of the hour right.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Now fixing what they forgot to mention on that YouTube
video The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building
Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Call eight hundred eighty News Talks b.

Speaker 8 (41:42):
Righty, Oh, good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh
eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number to call
some really good issues and questions raised by Peter just
prior to the news and thinks again, Pete for your
or Peter for your call on that around you know,
for consumers, if you decide that you're going to do

(42:03):
let's say a significant sized renovation or you or in
the position where you're going to do a new build
and you're doing a contract with I guess it's a
little bit different with group home builders, where I think
there is potentially a higher level of protection and arguably
a little bit of lower risk.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
But if it's.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
You know, I've got to be fair about what I'm
saying here in the sense that you know, like I
think the majority, just the majority of new builds are
actually done by group home builders. So but if you're
engaged with a smaller construction firm, what do you do
as a homeowner to protect yourself against the possibility that

(42:49):
they're going under? And I mean the most common story
you see when you look at these stories about you know,
builders left house unfinished or they've run out of money
to finish it. Typically there's these big deposits that are
asked for upfront, and you kind of get a sense
almost immediately that what they're actually doing is getting that
deposited because they've got outstanding bills for another project. So

(43:11):
they're not keeping the money for your project, they're using
it to pay office.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
You know, the.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
Sharks that are circling their business or not the sharks. Actually,
people are legitimately owed money from previous jobs. So it's
interesting question as to how you protect yourself from that.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, let's get
amongst it. Barb, good morning, Good.

Speaker 16 (43:30):
Morning, Peach. I'm interested in finding a keyless lock for
a sliding cavity door, and I want to future proof
to my demise and my daughter's special needs. So she
helps us the pantry during the night, and can you
I don't want a big I don't want to key

(43:54):
because you can be Is there anything else out there
that you can put on a door, a scullery door?

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Yeah, I'm with you, Gosh, I mean, you know what
you've described. Like when you started to ask the question,
I was like, yeah, I know, I kind of know
whether I'm not trying to prejudge what you were saying,
but I was thinking, yes, I'm aware of doors that are,
you know, like with a biometric or with a code

(44:22):
or with a swipe card locks for that. In fact,
I'm about to install one at home, but for a
sliding door and for an internal sliding door. I think
that if you do want something that is a sliding door, lock,
it will be an exterior door lock that you'll end

(44:44):
up putting on. Oh I don't to the best of
my knowledge, and I'm happy to stand corrected. I don't
know that there is something that's more compact and less obvious,
let's say, than that just a small lock with because
and the other challenge of course with a sliding door
lock is that the lock itself, the mechanism acts differently

(45:06):
because it can't just be a snip because it's not
like it closes against the latch and locks. The lock
when it comes out has to separate and go up
and down essentially to catch, which I'm thinking about like
the issue right now. The door lock that I'm looking at,
which is a Yale lock, actually has a snib and

(45:30):
then the bolt swings upwards. But that still wouldn't necessarily
lock a sliding door. Where would you go.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Look?

Speaker 8 (45:45):
If you you know, like one of the companies that
makes most cavity sliders or sliding doors in New Zealand
is Cavity Solutions or CS sliders, you could ring them
directly and say do you have a system for that?
They might have keyed systems, and certainly like for on
suite doors, for example, they have an ability to have
a privacy bolt on them, but again it's not necessarily lockable.

(46:10):
And of course the privacy bolt is on the insight.
You could fit it backwards, but that's not going to
be a sufficient deterrent in terms of it. Essentially, you're
talking about a digital lock with the right mechanism for
a sliding door. I think you'd find one, but it'll
be an exterior lock, and you just have to put
up with the fact that it's a bigger lock than

(46:32):
what you wanted.

Speaker 16 (46:34):
Yeah. I wonder if technology will come down in the
next say, ten years, and i'd be able to probably,
I just don't know what's out there.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Yeah, sure, And look, I appreciate it's a very specific
requirement that you have and a reason for asking for that.
Oh maybe there's one available overseas, but it's not something
that I've like. That's where I know bits of I can.
I could steer you in the right direction for bits

(47:05):
of what you want, but it won't necessarily be the
entire section. No you Okay, all the very best for that.
Take care a great question. Yeah, as I mentioned, I
think one of my projects in the next couple of
weeks is to upgrade the door lock as well, from
a really really old lock that's been there forever to

(47:27):
one of the digital sort of door locks, which this
particular one that the Yale one that I'm looking at
has the snib like the passage set, but it also
has a dead bolt that flips in as well, in
a whole lot of extra functionality. So that is also
on my list at the moment of jobs to do.
Twelve minutes after seven, Brian, good morning.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Good pay.

Speaker 17 (47:52):
Last week your head lady that was having trouble giving
the south end of the Starling.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yes, I use the kitchen tonks.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That's brilliant. That's brilliant.

Speaker 17 (48:08):
And what I've done, I've just got a piece of
alcathine about five hundred long, fixed the way bit of
half inch plywood to the end, and you just push
it along till you you know, it's all there's a
mountain of stuff, and then just talk of that.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
I guess if you're particularly patient. I'm just thinking, like
I was cooking last night and I was doing a
bit of pasta and I had the tongs out and
you know, in the end you get a very little amount, right,
So I guess you would have to be patient as
in how much you could get out. And then I'm
thinking about I cleared out some spouting two weeks ago,
most of which was not actually big debris, it was

(48:47):
just sediment, and trying to scoop out sediment with a
pair of kitchen tongs. You would have to have patients
of job.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
No, that's all. You'd be surprised.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
I'm happy to have a crack, and I'm happy to
take you at your word. And I could imagine, see
my mind is already starting to think, what about if
I got atter a kitchen tongs and then I cut
a little bit of metal and I riveted to that
to the end to give myself a wider grip, you know,
to increase the capacity. I was, look if it works,

(49:21):
and I had so I ended up buying one of these.
I think it's raven make a little orange scoop which
is just wide enough. You know, it's a reasonable width
to get a decent amount of sediment and debris into it,
but it's narrow enough that it fits in because you know,
the challenge with spouting is that typically roofing has to
overhang fifty millimeters from the back of the spouting, so

(49:45):
you make sure that the water actually gets into the spouting.
But then if your spoutings you one hundred and twenty milimeters,
it only gives you a seventy mil gap, which isn't
a lot of space necessarily to get in there. But look,
I found the scoopa on some PVC really really useful,
and one area where it was a bit tricky and
I needed to get the water out as well, I
actually used a wet and dry vacuum cleaner.

Speaker 12 (50:06):
Cool.

Speaker 17 (50:07):
Yes, yeah, it's great anyway, that's.

Speaker 8 (50:11):
My appreciate the insight though. I think I'm happy to
embrace innovation. And if kitchen tongs work, then they work.
That's awesome. Cool better than ripping your fingers to bits
as well. That's the other thing. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty the number to call Quack text from Darren
Thank you, Darren Pete. You can get locks for pocket doors,
but they're expensive and complicated. It's a keypad on the

(50:34):
wall and a hidden lock.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So I wonder whether it might.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
Be like an electromagnetic lock in the sense that which case,
you'd need to wire the door to some degree so
that when it closes, it fastens via a magnet, and
then the keypad would release the charge some and then
you could open it. I wonder whether that might be

(50:59):
how it works. I appreciate that, Darren. I thank you
very very much for that.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Um pete.

Speaker 8 (51:05):
I think there are four solutions to replace concealed guttering peripheral,
non internal. Do these require a building consent regard from Owen? No,
I don't believe that they do. So what we're talking
about is that sort of what's often been called class facia,
which was an external facier and then the spouting the

(51:26):
guttering is tucked in behind it, and most of those
situations that most of those systems were problematic. And so
there's I know three systems that have been developed in
order to swap from essentially a concealed spouting to an
exterior spouting with a new facial board on them. I

(51:46):
can check, but I'm pretty sure none of those would
require a building consent. Thanks very much for your text.
We might take a quick break. Actually, let me do
one more.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
Oh the question about the spouting with the gap in it,
it's PBC and it's on a batch, so it's not
behind the facure. It's just a weird setup where the
roof meets it. If it's PVC and if they haven't
installed it correctly, I they've got a long run with
no expansion joints. That's probably why it's pulling apart. So
instead of trying to repair the five mil, depending on

(52:20):
if there's an expansion joint in the run, then you
might just be able to It might have actually just
moved and you could slide it along to close the
gap up and then re weld that joint with the
solvent born adhesive that you use for PBC. Or if
there's no expansion joint in it, I would cut a
section out where that gap is and install an expansion

(52:43):
joint into there to allow for that expansion and contraction
that you do get once you've got over a certain
length of PVC spouting. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Seventeen after seven
back with Steve in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Helping you finish that five and it fixed.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You started the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call eighty
eight News Talk Sat B.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Radio.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
Your News Talk said B. If you've got a question
of a building nature. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call now.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Quick text Pete.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
We're doing a reno on the kitchen. We're wanting to
replace the window, removing the upstand of stone and replace
the window to be the upstand. Okay, do I need
a building consent? We're not widening the window. You're exactly
on target. Because you're not widening the window. You can

(53:49):
change the window, and you can change the height of
the window. So if you take the sill out and
lower the sill down something like that, you can do that.
It's all about whether or not you change the span
of the lintel. As soon as you do that, it
triggers the requirement for building consent. So if you're leaving
the window the lintel in place, you're leaving the width

(54:10):
of the window the same basically, and you still do
it in accordance with the building code, then you're right
that none of that triggers the requirement for a building consent. Steve,
good morning to you.

Speaker 18 (54:21):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
How are you you?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (54:25):
Good, thank you?

Speaker 14 (54:26):
Pete.

Speaker 18 (54:26):
Yeah, Pete, My daughter and son in law are looking
at buying a house which is all on gas is
a Califont yep. For showers and things, gas for the stove,
and gas for the heating in the lounge, which is particulated.
Is that the word back to the street.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yes, so it's mains gas, yep.

Speaker 18 (54:51):
Main's gas.

Speaker 14 (54:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (54:53):
Now all the who going on about gas going to electricity,
should they look further into it? Are we running out
of gas? Are we? Or what's the story?

Speaker 8 (55:03):
To be fair, it depends on who you talk to,
right well, and that's the reason I'm getting someone from
gas ENZ directly to talk about this, right because I
think I feel it's just fair to have both sides
of the argument represented, right So, but I think we're
they're at, and certainly where I'm at, and we're a

(55:25):
number of people that I'm talking to are at is
exactly that question. So for a number of potentially there's
a couple of different reasons for thinking about transitioning from
gas for residential or domestic use. One is around the
whole carbon issue, right, So burning gas results in carbon
emissions and that's obviously something that we want to reduce.

(55:47):
So there's an environmental concern, And then there's another concern
where we're constantly hearing from businesses who are saying, look,
we're concerned that we're not going to have sufficient supply
into the future. And I think it's more important that
business gets the gas than residential, is my you, Now,

(56:07):
maybe there's enough around. We'll talk to gas in Zen
and we'll find out. So the other thing is, I'll
presume that the gas heating that might be in this
house that they're looking at is the gas is used
to maybe heat hot water, which is reticulated through radiators,
or it's used to heat air, which is then inducted

(56:30):
through the house. If they have unflued gas heaters inside
the house, like often they're on a wall, they are fluid.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Okay, it's fluid.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
Yeah, Okay, the fluing part is really really important.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Right. So some of those other ones, which are.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
Apparently still legal, I can't, for the life of me
understand why I would get rid of those in a heartbeat,
mainly around issues around health inside the house inside.

Speaker 18 (57:02):
Yeah, they've had the double flu put in about a
year ago. Yes, there for the whole order, Okay, so
they don't need to panic or no.

Speaker 8 (57:13):
I mean, you know, obviously, I think it's true to
say that there will probably be no new gas connections
or no gas being made available into new subdivisions anymore,
but existing subdivisions where gas is in the street. The
last connection that I did was Okay, it was five

(57:35):
years ago, but it was in the street. We wanted
gas on the on the project and they hooked it
up for us.

Speaker 18 (57:41):
So, yeah, this is in the old part of the
city here, and the house is forty years old, but
we modernized. Yeah, and everything spermitted and everything done for
the gas part of it.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
Yeah, hopefully I'll be able to give you a fuller
answer in a couple of weeks time, where again Eca
are going to come back on the show talk about
energy efficient hot water heating, and then Jeffrey from Gasing
It's going to be on the show in a couple
of weeks as well. Thank you, very nice to check
with you, and good luck with the silm purchase.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, thank you, Ruth. Good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (58:17):
Good morning, Pete. I just want some advice. About a
year ago, we were looking to replace our front door.
It's a wooden door, and it started to get spongy
with the rain hitting. So I got a couple of
quotes and I chose one supplier and I paid half

(58:41):
of the quote, paid two and a half thousand, and
I haven't heard of Dickey Birds. I have chased up
and I've been well. Initially he told me it would
be six to eight weeks to manufacture the door, when
I chased nothing, and it's been going on, I haven't
chased regularly, regularly each month, say but I then had

(59:04):
enough of it, and only this past a week and
a bit. I then sent an email to say, look,
it looks like I'm not going to see a door.
He can we cancel the job and can you return
my deposit? And still I heard nothing, And then I
rang the office and I get told that he's not there.
He'll call me back, and never got a phone call.

(59:25):
But then out of the blue, I get an email
to say that we can schedule it to install your
door on Thursday or Friday, whichever day, but then we
need to pay up the balance. So I replied back
and said, in light of what's happened and it's taken
us long and we haven't seen a door, I'm not
prepared to pay any more money up front until the

(59:49):
door is installed and I'm happy with the job done.
Then I get a little snotty email from the colleague
to say that I'm breaking their terms and conditions. So
I just wondered where I stand because I'd like to
look into it more.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
I guess you've got to do is go back and
look at the terms and conditions that were in the
contract or in the letter of acceptance or whatever correspondence
you might have got. So, if I guess in terms
of contract law, if for example, in the terms and
conditions in the fine print on the back of the
quote or something like that, it said a fifty percent

(01:00:26):
depositors required and payment must be made before the door
is delivered, then you don't have much to argue against.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Right, that's what you accepted.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
If that's actually not written down anywhere, then you could say, well, look,
in light of the poor behavior to date, I'm unwilling
to do that. I'm quite willing to pay, and I
promise you I'll pay within twenty four hours of the
door being installed to my satisfaction or to a reasonable standard. Then,

(01:01:04):
because what's involved is the door or another timber door.
If you've moved to like a steel door, an aluminium door.

Speaker 9 (01:01:11):
No, no, we want to do another timber door. So
he's given me the cost of the door, the door furniture,
and he's going to put a threshold seal to the
boom of the door and enquoted installation. The terms and
conditions do say fifty percent on deposit and then a
forty a week before installation, right, Okay, It's just that

(01:01:32):
I don't believe that there is a I've told us
that we can go and.

Speaker 19 (01:01:36):
See it all.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
But I believe I think he's broken his terms and
conditions because in there in the fine print it says
that they should keep us informed what's happening, and I've
heard absolutely nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
You know, just as an aside. What I find staggering
at the moment is given you know, times are tough
in the construction sector right in general, why would you
behave poorly as a business right now? Like now is
the time to shine. Now is the time to be
top of your game every single engagement you have with

(01:02:10):
the customer because you don't know if there's another customer coming.
But you know, that's an aside. So I just find
it staggering that at the moment, when there's so much
pressure on businesses, businesses choose to behave poorly. I wonder
whether look, I can fully underappreciate your concern, right if
the deposit was paid, you've heard nothing from them. It's

(01:02:32):
taken them seemingly forever to make a door and then
they're making a promise, but they've kept none of their
previous promises.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Why would you trust them now?

Speaker 8 (01:02:44):
And I also don't want to sort of create, you know,
complex solutions to what should hopefully be a simple problem.
But you almost feel like going back to them and saying, look,
I have deposited that money with my lawyer, and you know, literally,

(01:03:06):
if I see your van outside, I'll release it. You know,
it's that sort of thing like literally, when I see
your van parked in the driveway, I'll release the money.
And the beautiful thing with internet banking is you can
do that and they'll probably see it straight away, right
or within two hours or something like that. So I
would kind of go back and go or you go

(01:03:27):
back and say, look, in light of the performance to date,
I'm going to advance you another twenty percent of the funds,
but I'm not going to pay the whole balance, given
that you know you haven't delivered what you said you
were going to deliver. But I will assure you that
when the job is done to my satisfaction, I'll pay

(01:03:48):
the balance promptly, like within twenty four hours. The other
question I'd have is with regard to the door. So,
if it's a timber door, when it's delivered, will it
already be coated, because I presume there's some sort of
exterior finish to it, whether it's a polyurethane or a
stain or a painted door.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
What's the finish going to be?

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
I think he said it was the coated ready for painting,
because I wanted to paint it myself.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Okay, the color.

Speaker 9 (01:04:13):
But can I ask you another question though? One of
the things you mentioned about, Yes, only pay part of
that remaining amount and then hold off. But could I
go and say I'll come and pay for the door
and take the door away, and I'll get somebody else
to install it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Well, if they've already priced for the install, you've already
paid for the install, I guess. So, just I know
you could sort of cut your losses, couldn't you and go, ah, yeah,
I suppose you could. I just wonder whether that will
end up being complicated again, and they would regard that

(01:04:52):
as essentially a breach of contract because their contractor is
to supply and install, and so they're not going to
get the money for the install or they'll say, yeah,
you can do that, but there's no the quote, in
which case you're then now going to have to pay
somebody else to install. And installing doors is you know,

(01:05:15):
it's a reasonably specialized sort of task, and it will
take some time. I presume that they've done a really
really good site measure so that the door is the
right size, or whether they've made the door slightly oversize,
and they'll trim it and adjust it to suit when
they're on site, because that you're you're changing like the

(01:05:37):
door hinges and the door lock. Yeah, okay, there's quite
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Of work in doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Doors have this magical ability to change shape and size.
So you can take a door off, put it down,
work on something, put it back and it won't fit. Yeah,
it's just a weird thing that happens in my experience
with doors.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
But so god, it's just.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
I really, quite genuinely, I can unders stand your frustration,
and I just find it staggering at the moment when
work is so hard to find for most people, that
people would behave badly. Mm hmmm, what do you think
we're going to do?

Speaker 9 (01:06:25):
Yeah, well, what the two options I had in mind
was one, Yes, just put forward look, you know the
bad behavior or whatever. We haven't heard anything, we haven't
been notified why there is a delay, you know, which
is part of their terms of the contract, and just
pay half of what the balance is owing and say,

(01:06:46):
like you said, pay the other half once that door
is installed or otherwise, because the either give them the
option of Okay, I'll come and collect the door, I'll
pay up the door, and then just not bother with
the installations. I'll get somebody else to install.

Speaker 8 (01:07:04):
Yeah, looks you know, I suppose the hard thing is
like even the idea of just ringing and having a conversation,
you can kind of sense that, you know, you're probably
not going to have a fruitful conversation with someone about
this because they haven't been able to converse previously. Just

(01:07:25):
a quick text that's just come in. I have heard
of payment being made using a letter of credit from
the bank. This proves that you have the funds that
will be released when the job is completed. I've heard
that used for complete new builds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
There are other scrow.

Speaker 8 (01:07:40):
Type facilities available, but it gets a bit complicated for
what you're doing. I don't unfortunately, I don't think there's
a straightforward, simple answer, but I sincerely do hope that
it works out well and you finally get the front
door and it's installed properly to your satisfaction.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:02):
That's the other thing is that they might come and
install it, but they might not do a great job.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Ah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
You can kind of see that happening. A someone turns
up grudgingly and they throw the door in and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Ouch. I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
I can't be much more help than that, but I
certainly understand your frustration.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Okay, all the very best of your ruth. You take
care again.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
You know the risk of repeating myself, I can't understand
for businesses at the moment where it is. It is
genuinely challenging, right for any number of construction related businesses.
Why would you do a bad job these days? I mean,
I kind of get it in the sense that everyone's
under pressure and there'll be overheads and there'll be bills

(01:08:49):
due and all the rest of it. And you know,
potentially the guy's fighting to try and keep his business alive.
But now's the time to do good service, not bad service,
is what I would have thought. Seven thirty six Here
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About to start a renovation, or you're just sick of
the color of your aluminium jewnery, you might want to
hear this. I've got Jacob from Nanoclear with me today. Jacob,
is it really possible to change the color of existing
aluminium jewelery without replacing it?

Speaker 20 (01:09:33):
I'm morty, Peter, I mean for sure, it absolutely is.
I mean, we recolor existing aluminium jewnery, so instead of
ripping out perfectly and good windows, we can give them
a completely new look or leaving them in place, just
for a fraction of the cost.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
And how big is that fraction that we're talking about?

Speaker 20 (01:09:49):
Well, I mean we typically see Nanoclear recoloring being around
twenty to twenty five percent of the cost of supplying
and installing a full house full of winness.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
So why would someone repaint instead of replacing.

Speaker 20 (01:10:02):
Well, for most people, it's all about value. Your jewnery
is usually still in a great CONDI so just look
stated or doesn't suit the home anymore. So recoloring gives
you the fresh, modern look without the cost, missed or
hassle of replacing all your windows.

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
So does it actually last though?

Speaker 14 (01:10:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I mean it sew?

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Does?

Speaker 20 (01:10:20):
I mean we don't just spray on a new color
and then just hope for the best. Nanokai is designed
specifically for aluminum jewelry and doesn't just sit on top
of the jowinerry Latin normal paint does. It'll seep down
to a nano level and bind to the aluminum down there.
That's where the name Nanokare actually comes from. So the
finish looking exactly like it did when it left the factory,
and we back it with a ten year warranty on

(01:10:41):
any defects, which longer than any brand new jewelery will warranty.
Their colorful and.

Speaker 8 (01:10:45):
What sorts of colors can people choose from?

Speaker 20 (01:10:49):
I mean you can choose form pretty much anything now,
But like forty years ago, people love their newdenom blues
and their miss greens where there are not too many
options for people to choose from, but they all just
fade so fast in us on conditions. But in the
twenty twenty six we can spray any color you like
and we can make it last for a decade. So
it's one of the quickest ways to completely change the
look of behind.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
And who's this best suited for, Well, it's just.

Speaker 20 (01:11:12):
Said anyone with the aluminium jewelry that's structurally sound but
just still looks tired and faded and just something on color.
So here windows are still doing their job. There's a
good chance that we can make them look brand new again.
So just jump onto Nanoclear credit in check out some
of our other transformations and you can see what's possible.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Jacob always good to talk with you, and again check
out the website Nanoclear dot co dot nz.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
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and construction. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the
number to call. No, good morning to.

Speaker 21 (01:11:45):
You more y.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
Yep, they'll do both surfaces absolutely awesome And a couple
of couple of years ago I went out and met
with the guys that do it and just sort of
watch the pro so you know, taking either masking the
glass upper in some cases taking the glass out, masking
it all up, prepping the surface and applying the product,

(01:12:15):
and then putting it all back together with new seals.
That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 21 (01:12:19):
It's just interested because because I was listening to you before, Steve,
you're talking about contents for windows.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (01:12:26):
Is it exterior windows.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
Yes, So there's like typically if you're going to like
if there's no window in a wall and you want
to cut an open.

Speaker 21 (01:12:36):
Storm story. Short, Look, I've just got all the windows
done from my house. The more similar container.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
For an existing house or a new build.

Speaker 21 (01:12:45):
Seen year before replacing Execu Smith and Smith guy. He
came in, he missed them all up. We took off
their eaves, the skirtings around the windows them like they're
just going to stop straight and brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
No, No, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
It's it's no no, if you're not changing the width
of it, and it's it's there's a part of the
consent that or part of the code that goes as
long as it's no worse than what it used to be, right,
So in terms of sill tape and protection and that
sort of thing. So yeah, that'll be an awesome job.
And I presume that the new the new windows are

(01:13:25):
going to be double.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Glazed as well.

Speaker 21 (01:13:28):
Yep, and just for Reef citizens. Advice mate, don't get it,
don't help it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think, what you know in
this instance where you know you've you've paid the deposit
up front and fifty percent, I guess maybe for joiners. Yeah, No,
I'm sure they're good and it would be a good option.
A couple of other actually, a couple of other really
interestinglutions have come through as well in terms of good
service can be lifeline for a dying business. People will

(01:13:57):
pay more for good service. You think that people would
remember that, and then intention is important to a contractual
agreement from Leith. Thank you very much for that, and
then the whole letter of credit option as well. But
it's just frustrating. And the lack of communication I think
is probably them. I mean, I think if anyone's ever

(01:14:19):
had kind of a dispute or a falling out with
their contractors, the lack of communication is probably the biggest part.
He look, as contractors, we've probably all been guilty of it, right,
But in this instance, I can certainly understand the frustration.
Oh W eight one hundred eighty ten eighty the number

(01:14:40):
to call, Hello Helen.

Speaker 22 (01:14:43):
Oh Marina. I've got a nineteen seventy five ish home
which I've lived in for probably forty four or forty
three years, and it's got a dequamstic roof on it.
About six years ago, when I had some exterior painting done,

(01:15:04):
I also had.

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
The roof spray.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yes, there's no.

Speaker 22 (01:15:08):
Issues with the roof, it's not leaking, it looks good.
But I inquired about getting some heating solar heating up
there and they said, can't do it because it's got
spistosis in the roof in the tiles. So what is

(01:15:33):
the process now? I've found a couple of roofing companies
and said to them that I've had it tested and
yes it is in the tiles, and they took some
details like my address and what I'd like to put
on it. But I've never heard back from anybody. So
how long has this law been around? If this law

(01:15:53):
likely to be around for a lot longer, I'm sort
of thinking about whether, you know, getting a little older,
whether I just stick with it and sell the house
as it is when the time is right, or whether
I can do that or whether I do the job.
If I can get someone to do the job and
get it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
Done, wow, that's fascinating for me and hopefully for others
on a whole number of different levels. So just a
bit of background about gosh, it's probably getting on to
ten years ago, work Safe issued a notice to update

(01:16:33):
the industry about the potential for asbestos to be part
of some of the pressed metal tile systems with the
chip coating, right, which is a way of describing what
you've gotten, what you've called dechromastic, because they're not the
only people that provided and installed those systems back in

(01:16:55):
the day. And so some testing and so on was
done and it was found that in some cases there
may well be asbestos in the either the coat or
the product, and so that was sent out as a guidance.
So everybody started to think about, well, before I rip
into the sole roof, I better get it tested. So

(01:17:16):
in your case that's the roof that you've got, you've
had it coated, which I think is there's nothing wrong
with doing that right. In fact, it's quite a good
wave of encapsulating the product, not that there's a great
risk to it. When it's inert right unless you disturb it.
It's the disturbing of the fibers that is the concern,

(01:17:39):
because they become friable, potentially become airborne, can be inhaled,
and can cause damage. We all know what the impact
of exposure to asbestoses. So I guess the contractor that's
come to look at potentially installing solar panels, they will
need to fix down the rails through that roofing into

(01:18:01):
the timber battens below or into the pearlins below, and
I guess they're looking at it going, actually, we don't
want to drill a whole through that product because we're
concerned about exposure to asbestos, which is reasonable. But there
are processes in place where you could do that and
still do it safely. So obviously there's ppe for the

(01:18:24):
individual contractors. There's extraction and disposal. So you know, I'm
not an asbestos expert and I'm not a license for
asbestos removal, but I would have thought that, for example,
if you were going to do that, you would have
a process where you'd be able to ensure you're doing
it in the right weather condition so it's not particularly windy.

(01:18:46):
Perhaps you'd have an asbestos supervisor there or inspector there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
You would drill the whole, you would.

Speaker 8 (01:18:51):
Use extraction to pick up any material that becomes airborne,
you would insert the fixing, and then you'd carry on.
Because it's really only in the drilling and the fixing
that there's a risk. Everything else there's little to no risk, right,
So I just wonder whether they are unsure about the
process and therefore they've taken a really risk averse approach,

(01:19:15):
which I think is probably a little bit over cautious
if I'm really honest.

Speaker 22 (01:19:20):
Okay, and they did say that for my financial side
of it, that the roof really needs to last another
twenty five years, otherwise you know, it's not viable in
the course of the age of the roof. I don't
know whether it's going to last another twenty five years.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
And look, that's actually a very fair point. And in
that sense, you know, qudos to the person that's coming
to do the install, because they've given you, I think,
quite good and sound and fair advice in the sense
that you know, let's if it's a nineteen seventies roof,
it's reasonable to say that it's coming to end of life, right,

(01:20:00):
you know, you've got fifty years out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Will you get another twenty? Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
Will you get another twenty with no problems whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Maybe not, In.

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
Which case, if the solar panels are installed and they're
going to last twenty maybe probably even thirty years, it's
I guess it's unjust in a sense for someone to
sell you panels knowing that at some stage you're going
to have to de mount them in order to replace
the roof. So that I think all credit to them

(01:20:31):
for very sound advice on that particular issue, because it's
not unreasonable to say that that roof is probably getting
to end of life, right, Okay, So in that sense,
I'm really you know, because there's a thing around a
licensed building practition, isn't that where there's a code of ethics, right,
And one of the things that we have to do,

(01:20:52):
and I don't know whether the solar people are part
of code of ethics as LBPS, but as LBPS we
have to, you know, fully informed clients and offer professional advice.
And I think that's actually a really sound piece piece
of advice that they've offered.

Speaker 11 (01:21:07):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yep, hey, lovely to chat.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
I've really got to run, but i'd be interested to
see where you land with that particular issue.

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We've got news coming in about a minute's time, so Dean,
if you could stay with us and we'll have a
chat straight after news sport and where the top of
the are at eight Also going to reach out to
Kim Aiken from Trusshouse who has developed a sort of
an innovative and an alternative framing solution for I guess

(01:21:52):
compact buildings. It's worth having a look online to have
looks and pictures. We'll talk to her about it and
the fact that at Field Days she was the winner
of the Innovation Award, an Innovation Award at field Days,
which was pretty awesome. So I've been to one of
the factories that does the pre cut pre nail for
the trusshouse that was Old p hudicoa Framan truss and

(01:22:14):
we'll be talking with Kim in the next hour as well.
And remember Red Climb passed from eight point thirty as well.
I'll try and catch up with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Some of these texts as well.

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Speaker 8 (01:22:55):
OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Welcome back to the program. We're going to have a
chat with Kim Aikon shortly. We'll talk to Dean in
just a moment. Just want to catch up on a
couple of quick texts as well. So regarding the solar
panels on the deck mastic tiles, Pete, I don't think
the fixing to the battons is a sound. Is fixing
to the perlins, which would typically be a three B

(01:23:15):
two with a corrygo diant I agree with you, Sean,
So maybe they'll try and fix through there and directly
into the trusses or into the rafters.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Morning. Quick question.

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
If you're a renter and you pay a water bill
on top of the rent, should you be paying the
wastewater content? Maybe someone else can help well, I can
help you that, Steve. No, tenants do not pay the
fixed charge at all, so that's got to be paid
by your landlord. So essentially, if you get a copy
of the bill you'll see it's broken down. I presume

(01:23:49):
you're in Auckland or somewhere else where. They're a modern
council and they actually charge you for water. So yeah, no,
renter's tenants should not pay the full water well in
Auckland anyway, the water care bill, right, couple of pete
holes and asbestos. We use an asbestos vacuum cleaner or
a vacuum like a with a Heper filter and an

(01:24:12):
H five maybe pick up all the dust from the
hole and then you coat the hole and then you're away.
So yeah, I agree, Stephen. There are ways of dealing
with understanding what the risks are and then putting in
place suitable measures to protect people. And that's what it's
ultimately all about. From a risk of exposure to asbestos.

(01:24:34):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Dean, Thanks for holding on. Good morning
to you.

Speaker 19 (01:24:40):
Yes, so good morning, Peter. I've got a two story
house here in Auckland. The top story has two bedrooms
with an on suite and it's cedar cladding.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Yep, the cedar.

Speaker 19 (01:24:55):
As part of the renovation we're wider renovation we're doing.
We've been told that the seedar is going to need
remedia work. It is very obvious. You know, some of
the boards are going to need to be replaced in
then maybe an oil over the existing stain or oil.
Now we're looking at it two options and one is

(01:25:16):
to maybe replace, do their immedial work, replace the boards,
and then oil. So one of my questions is can
we paint over existing seedar that has been oiled previously?

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Yeah, I think there is a system.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
And funnily enough, I was with both Bryce and Jay,
who are our painting experts that have been on the show.
I was with the Razine team over at Building Z
for a little while. We're having a chat and I
know if you were asking them it would be all
about the primer, the adhesion coat, is the really really
important thing. So it's got to be something that will

(01:25:54):
You'd need to remove as much of that oily surface
as possible, then a thorough lean and then an adhesion
primer that's going to penetrate that and give the top
coat something to stick onto. That's my builder language for
something that's probably a lot more technical than that, but
that's essentially the process. So yeah, swapping from stain stain

(01:26:19):
is easier than oil, I think, but I would imagine
that most of what you've got as would be a
stain and then going to painting is possible to But
and I'm also pleased that you're realistic about the fact
that some boards will not be able to be repaired.
You know, every now and then people will see a
cupped piece of cedar and go, oh, can you fix that?

(01:26:41):
And to be honest, no, there's just not a repair
apart from replacement.

Speaker 19 (01:26:46):
Okay, because we're looking at that or the other option
was to just take off the seedar all together out
put in rsicated pine and then with a paint yep,
but we're just looking at the costume because I know
that with cedar, if it's oil, you have to do

(01:27:06):
it every few years.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
I get that, Yeah, the maintenance requirement for some of
those finishes and whether it's seed or another substrate. But
you know, I think this is one of the things
that I like, to be fair, I really love cedar.
I quite like sort of timber effect on the exterior
of a building. But let's not underestimate what the maintenance
requirements are and also not underestimate the impact of failing

(01:27:33):
to do that maintenance correctly. So, yeah, typically, if you're
going for a clear finish on exterior, clear finished boards,
eighteen months twenty four months tops between maintenance cycles.

Speaker 19 (01:27:47):
Okay, because because there's a two story house, we have
to look at access.

Speaker 8 (01:27:53):
And yeah, I mean I know that budget is always important,
but I guess if you're in a position where you
can make an informed choice and go, hey, maybe I
look at a material that gives me a longer time
between maintenance cycles. So typically paint if you wash it regularly,
if it's well done, good quality paint, and you wash

(01:28:14):
it regularly, then you'd get seven ten years between paint jobs. Again,
I was at Building Z. There's some exterior cladding options
which are modified timber now that have even longer well
basically nothing's no maintenance and I hate the term quite honestly,

(01:28:34):
but less maintenance or less you know care, you might
get fifteen twenty years, you know, so there are some
alternatives out there.

Speaker 19 (01:28:44):
Yeah, Now before you go, this is a house that
has not had any oil put on to it for
from what we're gather, fifteen years. It's so. Yeah, but
it looks like it's sleeping out the window. It looks
actually like it's doing an okay job.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (01:29:07):
So so.

Speaker 19 (01:29:10):
I gather we need a paint it actually to do
a closer examination off that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:14):
Yeah, and I think probably your builder, your LBP should
have a look at it as well. And you know,
one of the ways is to actually take a ruller
and hold it against the surface and determine how much
cupping there is and how many boards have cupped, what
the fixings are like, you know, I mean fifteen years,
that's a long time between maintenance.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Very surprised.

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
I'm actually I'm surprised and pleased on your part that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
It's not there's not more extensive damage.

Speaker 19 (01:29:42):
Yeah, it's the damage, you know. Obviously four sides of
the second story and three sides which seem to get less.
Sun's the way that house is angleed is okaye, of course.

Speaker 8 (01:29:58):
So maybe in that sense you go, okay, well, I'll
replace a quarter of the cladding like for like, but
then maybe swap because there won't be much of that
original coating left if it's been fifteen years between drink
sort of thing, and then swap to a paint surface,
which I think will give you a longer gap between maintenance.

Speaker 19 (01:30:18):
I wish you well, so keep a singer up there.

Speaker 18 (01:30:21):
Basically you're saying.

Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
If it's in reasonable condition, it's firm, there's not an
excessive amount of cupping, and more importantly, your LBP thinks
actually it's reasonably durable, then I'd be happy to listen
to them all the best you do, Thank you very
much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:30:38):
A little while ago I was alerted to kind of
an innovative way of framing houses because conventionally we have
a floor we have, you know, which will be joice
or a concrete slab. We'll do a little bit of framing,
so start snogs and then we'll go out and get
some trusses and so on. But what happens if you
did all of that in one section? But I'll get

(01:31:01):
Kim to explain it a bit better than I can
can make and from Trusshouse a very very good and
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
Thank you, Peter, good to talk to you again.

Speaker 8 (01:31:10):
Lovely to check with you and first stuff, actually, congratulations
on the innovation award. So this is at Field days.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Can you tell us.

Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
What that award was for and what's the criteria for
the innovation award.

Speaker 11 (01:31:23):
Yeah, we applied our building system, the trust House Portal system.
We applied under the growth of the Scale Innovation Awards,
so it was for New Zealand based companies also operating overseas,
so we do operate in Australia, and we applied under
the primary industry use of forestry material. So the trust
House system, which you'll hear a little bit about shortly

(01:31:46):
uses kind of regular New Zealand timber in quite an
innovative way, primarily getting engineered performance out of standard grade timber, offcuts,
short lengths, everything that typically gets chucked or put in
a low value pile gets used in the trust House system.
So yeah, we were surprised and honored to kind of

(01:32:08):
be chosen in a field of a lot of ag
tech sure, and it was a relatively fantastic Yeah, I
was just saying a great community, very very new to us,
but sure Fields community was incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
Yeah, no, it's awesome all right. But in congratulations, I
think it's a fantastic recognition of what is you know,
some genuinely innovative technology. So if you have to describe,
because I think most of the people listening will go,
you know, we've all got a picture in our heads
of how we conventionally have framed houses. So we've got
a floor, which might be a concrete floor or timber joists,

(01:32:43):
and then we'll have essentially stick framing, and then we'll
either have another floor or we'll have some trusses on there.
Trust house is different. How is it different?

Speaker 11 (01:32:54):
So we flip the script and it really comes down
to how you think about putting a house together to
really understand the system. So what you describe platform framing
is kind of like building a house of cards, so
all the elements are kind of stood together and hold
each other in place, and you know, there's quite a
bit of work goes into connecting them. Trust house is
more like standing up Domino's. So their ring, portals, wall, floor, roof,

(01:33:19):
all plated together like a trust or as a trust,
and then that stands that trust system stands directly onto
the foundation. So the skills and the thinking kind of
is identical to putting a roof on a set of walls.
That is, it's as simple as that to think about
framing it. So you've got your foundation, you stand your

(01:33:40):
portals up on the foundation, you put your roof on.
It is as simple as that.

Speaker 8 (01:33:46):
So in terms of foundation, there'll be piles and bearers,
and then everything else is each segment is one.

Speaker 11 (01:33:53):
Piece exactly is one portal. And we have a system
for concrete slabs. So depending on what you are looking
to do, you can put your foundation down so piles
and bearers or concrete slab, and then you are standing
up portals typically every six hundred mil along the length
of the foundation, or with wider openings between the portals

(01:34:15):
if you want side entry doors or sliders or windows.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Et cetera.

Speaker 11 (01:34:19):
So it's we call it portal logic. So as soon
as you can kind of flip the script in your
head to think about slices of a building in a
vertical plane and then using your foundation literally as the
only element outside of the portal trust that you need
to install first.

Speaker 8 (01:34:39):
And in terms of size for this methodology, you're in
that sort of space from you know what would consider
the minor dwelling grannie flat simple standalone dwellings up to
what size.

Speaker 11 (01:34:55):
Up to three levels. So at the moment, while there
is a lot of a lot more of the smaller
homes kind of visible and building in than is in
a market, we have over two one hundred, two and
three level homes kind of approved and on the on
the drawing board to be built around the country. And
it's the same logic and the same system, and the

(01:35:17):
use of the system for kind of single level housing
is is relatively there's there is a significant benefit. Using
it in the two and three level space is where
it really comes into its So it's the kind of
favored use of the system.

Speaker 8 (01:35:33):
And sometimes, you know, people might make the assumption that
this kind of off site manufacture is aiming for essentially
code minimum, but my understanding is you're actually looking at
some of these houses being high performance.

Speaker 11 (01:35:50):
Yeah, it's it's probably one of the key features of
the system. And we kind of joke about having the
you know, the vegetables hidden in the Bolognese. The wall
system of the trust houses a credit that to Damon Auto.
But the wall is three hundre mill so you've got
an open three hundred mili wall. And in a very

(01:36:11):
simple sense, the ideas that with the wider wall cavity,
aside from really easy servicing for your plumbers, your electricians,
your hvac is it's inherently designed for bat off the
shelf bat insulation and it typically takes a couple of
hours to a day to insulate a whole house, no cutting,
no messing around. So there's no barrier to the high

(01:36:35):
performance from an insulation standpoint because it's so cost effective,
it's so easy to do, and in the majority of cases,
Home Star six would be the minimum, and we've designed
right up to passive house without a premium cost that
the associated So we're looking to normalize high performance as

(01:36:55):
the standard. So start with home Star six. If you
can see the certification or we've modeled everything, we know
how much energy these homes will use, and that is
the baseline. Everything beyond that is better and better and better.

Speaker 8 (01:37:09):
And again, just in terms of trying to put a
picture in people's minds, I guess conventionally, if I'm going
backwards to foundations here you know, typically if we're thinking
about a timber floor on piles, we're thinking about joists,
but there are in a sense no joists. It is
a trust that forms your joist as well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
So the favorite bit for us, especially the more time
we spend with builders, is there's always moments in the
build where they realize what they've just done on a
build and then they instantly compare it to if I
was building this using traditional construction, I would be at
day ten. So the house that you would have seen
at Field days, yeah, built in Teadaha by you know,

(01:37:54):
local builder built local. They had the roof on day
two and the guys were kind of you know, this
would be day twelve or fourteen. You know, we got
rid of our scaffolding on day two. Like the builder's
experience and serve the system. Different things resonate with them
depending on what their kind of you know bug bears
are when it comes to construction. So getting rid of

(01:38:15):
scaffolding day two opened up the whole build. You know,
it just gave them a level of kind of efficiency
that they wouldn't normally be able to experience.

Speaker 8 (01:38:25):
Because I'm thinking of that experience for myself as a builder.
You're going, okay, I'm out of the ground. I've got
my piles and I've got my bear down, I'm doing
my joice and all you're dreaming about is your roof
trust is right. But in this instance here were literally
when you're doing your floor joists, your walls and your
trusses are going up at the same.

Speaker 11 (01:38:42):
Time you are doing your roof trustles. You're just doing
them first and last, and it takes about in a
single level, I don't know, an hour and a half,
maybe two hours to be fully framed and braced kind
of we don't. We are no NOG system, so there's
no nogs required unless it's under the interior floor, so
you don't have to go then through that kind of

(01:39:02):
laborious process. And then everything is engineered where everything falls
under specific engineering design. It's certified by Prider. They provide
the PS one, so you're putting together really an engineered
lego set, and then they provide everything so if you
need a bracket, it's there. If you need a brace strap,
it's there. So you're there's no kind of okay, now

(01:39:23):
I've done this phase, I must go and get my
supplies and move into phase two. In fact, what we've
had quite a few times with builders is they weren't
ready to put the flooring down on day one, you know,
the floor sheetings. They're like, oh, we didn't it didn't arrive,
you know, we told them we didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
Need it in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 11 (01:39:41):
Yeah, So so it's quite it's quite a lot of
fun to kind of see those those pieces all fall
into place.

Speaker 8 (01:39:49):
To be fair, we don't often talk about having fun
when we're talking about framing. I mean, I love framing,
but you know, it's it's a it's a grind, right,
Whereas this sounds like it's well, I've seen it. It's
certainly faster than conventional framing, and I guess it's just
part of that innovation space which I'm kind of excited about.

(01:40:09):
And even your comment earlier on about the way in
which the trust is manufactured in the sense also allows
you to optimize so much more of the framing timber
because you're using pieces that are one hundred and fifty
two hundred millimeters long, right, stuff that would often get
consigned to waste.

Speaker 11 (01:40:28):
One hundred percent And it's kind of the magic of
and we work with pride to the magic of their
software is that every web in a traditional trust but
it is specifically in the trust house. Every web is
designed for specific load and of course every piece of
timber has a load rating, so you can put you
can look at what some of our systems may be done.

(01:40:49):
On the South Island, there might be four webs that
are a piece of LVL material, sure, because those specific
webs just needed a you know, a higher strength and
the cost difference of having a trust system so that
the package that we're talking about that was a field
is the same package is available in Inracargo and in Kaitaia.

(01:41:11):
And the fundamental difference is what is in the web,
what is in that wall? What is the strength of
the material, And because it is engineered to the end degree,
it's optimized to the nth degree, and that's reflected in
the cost. So I think, off the top of my head,
the cost of the portal system in the South Island
is maybe ten dollars a portal more expensive, like it
is minuscule to meeting the local requirements without needing to

(01:41:35):
redesign the whole building.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
It's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:41:39):
I'd encourage people to check it out because I think
until you've seen it. It's a little bit difficult to
get your head around just because it's so different. It's
sort of the same but different to everything that we've
ever done. Where's the best place to go and have.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
A look.

Speaker 11 (01:41:53):
Definitely online, So if you have a look at look
for Trust us. So there's a multitude of Probably for
builders the best resource would be the Hutukawa Frame and
Trust website. They have put a lot of time into
getting some builder resources online. Pride has a lot of
technical information. Our own website is really more around the
kind of system that features the benefit and our team.

(01:42:14):
And then there will be show homes pretty much from
inver Cargo through the Fongerai at the moment throughout New Zealand.
So Bunning's New Zealand and they're Clever Living builders have
picked up the system to create a package, so they
are rolling out show homes. So if you keep an
eye on the Clever Living builders in your area, wherever

(01:42:36):
that may be, if they're not already building a Trust
House show home, they will be kind of coming your way.
And then the majority of the multi level is actually
going to be in the South Island for now. So
Nelson Christchurch Dunedin and as systems come online and builds
get kind of through to a certain build stage, then
we'll make it available for builders to come and have

(01:42:58):
a look and tour through and wrap their head around
it and to.

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
Find out a bit about you and your team. Trust
Hoouse dot org is what I'm looking at. So that
fantastic as well. Kim, thank you, congratulations again on the
Innovation award, well deserved and thanks for your time this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
Thank you, Thank you, have a great day. Take care, Kim.
Kim aikin from Trusshouse Again. It's it's part of innovation
right so check it out Trusshouse dot org. You'll find
it there. Will take a break, we'll jump into the
garden with a retcline pass coming up real soon.

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