Full Show Podcast: 22 March 2026

This week on The Resident Builder, Pete Wolfkamp was joined by a range of guests including Phil McNamara from Branz to chat granny flat regulations and consenting, Kevin Taylor to chat tiny homes, and as always Ruud Kleinpaste chatted all things gardening. 

Callers asked about stolen tools, peeling paint, and double glazing. 

And, Pete settles a lovers quarrel over door hooks. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks at B fixing what they forgot
to mention on that YouTube video. The Resident Builder with
Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building supplies the future of
Kiwi building today. Call Oh eight hundred eighty eight News
Talks B.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
A house sizzle even when it's.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Dark, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,
and even when a dog is too old to bar,
and when you're sitting at the table trying.

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Not to starve.

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Sissor even when we are bend, even when you're there,
houses along, even when there's goes, even when you got

(01:18):
around from the ones you love your most scream does
broken paints a peeling in front of.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Locals, vesperall when they're gone.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
And leaving the.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
House, even when Wilba ben, even when you're in there alone.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
Well, A very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday with me, people came to
the Resident Builder and this is your opportunity, as it
is every Sunday here at new Stalk CEEDB to talk
all things building and construction. So it's all about your place. Basically,
it can be the little jobs sometimes the slightly annoying

(02:10):
jobs that you know you need to get round to,
but finding the time, the inclination, the right tools, the
right equipment, the right products to help you solve those
particular problems that can be challenging sometimes. So we can
talk about that, we can talk about the big stuff,
the legislation, the rules and regulations that govern what we
can do when we can do it again. It's kind

(02:32):
of not unexpected and not unsurprising that I spend a
bit of time each week trying to work my way
through either pieces of legislation, understanding whether or not somebody
needed to get a building consent for a particular task
at a couple of long conversations about that, and what
happens when you have strayed, let's say, from the right

(02:54):
path and ended up doing some work perhaps that you
should have had a building consent for. How do you
fix that at the end, or how do you resolve that,
let's say, when you're selling the property later on, it's
become an issue at the time of sale and purchase.
So those are the sorts of things that sometimes occupy
part of my week. I was on the road a
little bit this week as well, so I've got a

(03:15):
couple of stories from the road, including another half day
of training and introduction to energy modeling. This is going
to become particularly pertinent given that the way in which
you calculate your energy usage or your compliance with H
one of the Building Code is going to change. It's

(03:36):
not going to be a very straightforward tech box approach anymore.
You've actually got to figure it out, so some calculation
or you've got to do some modeling. So I went
and did. The New Zealand Green Building Council are hosting
a series of workshops around the country on an introduction
to energy modeling, so trotted down to Hamilton actually, which

(03:57):
was delightful. I'll tell you more about that later on today,
but that's a very good if you're interested in energy
modeling and how it works and what software is available
to do it. This is a sort of traveling road
show by the New Zealand Green Building Council, giving a
taster I guess of some of the insights, some of
the complexity of it, and some of the rational behind

(04:20):
the models as well. So that was good fun. It
is but it's always time to talk with you, So
the lines are open. The number to call oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to ninety two for
the text machine and if you'd like to send me
an email, you're more than welcome to do that. It's
Pete at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot nz. The other thing's
going to come up a little bit later on the show.

(04:40):
So from eight till eight thirty, which is the half
hour before Ridge joins us at eight thirty this morning
is a good old fashioned deep dive into granny flats.
I know that there's it's not officially granny flats. There's
simple standalone dwellings. And ever since the idea of being

(05:03):
able to build up to seventy square meters most likely
or possibly without a building consent was mooted, it went
through various committees and so on, it's now a piece
of legislation. So technically you are allowed, depending on the rules,
depending on the local regulations, to possibly build up to
seventy square meters in your backyard, most likely in your backyard,

(05:27):
without necessarily requiring a building consent. So what's and then
it's been fascinating over the last couple of months now
that this has become law, more and more questions I've
seen online more and more articles going it's not quite
as straightforward as it seems. Ie. It doesn't mean that
there are no rules. So what's it going to take

(05:48):
to be able to build up to seventy square meters
without necessarily requiring a building consent in your backyard? The
good news is the good people at Brands have been
working on that particular issue. It's one of their research projects.
They've just issued a bulletin which is available online. Actually
put up a link on my face book page yesterday,
so it's bulletin. I think it's seven oh four. I'll

(06:10):
check that in a minute, and it's a guide to
the rules and regulations surrounding simple standalone dwellings that may
not require a building consent. That's really interesting in and
of itself, but even better than that, One of the
research team, Phil McNamara, is going to join me on
the program from eight o'clock this morning, and basically the

(06:30):
way we're going to run sort of the interview is
I'm going to approach it as if I wanted to
build one for myself. As it happens, that's not the case,
but right now it's not anyway, So who do I
talk to. What do I need to prepare, who do
I need to present plans to, who gets to build it,

(06:51):
who gets to work on it? How do I somehow
get it signed off? What's my pathway to compliance? We'll
run through the whole thing as if it was a
project that I wanted to undertake. And Phil, because he's
been part of the brand's research team who have put
together this guidance document to answer all those questions. So
tune in from eight o'clock. Well, tune in from now obviously,
but at eight o'clock this morning, Phil from Brands is

(07:13):
going to join me here on News TALKS'DB and we'll
run through the whole granny Flat thing. Just in case
there is a question that I might have missed out
on and you think needs answering, You're more than welcome
to send me a text now between now and eight
o'clock this morning with a specific question and I'll just
see whether it's something that plugs a gap perhaps that

(07:37):
I might have in the questions that I'm going to ask.
I guess in the it's not going to be one hundred.
We'll have a good crack at it. I think we'll
get there. We'll figure out exactly what it is you
need to do if you want to do a granny
flat or a simple standalone dwelling in your backyard. And
Phil from Brands is going to join us, but that's
at eight o'clock. But right now the lines are open.
What's on at your place? What tasks do you need

(07:59):
to undertake? What projects do you have in mind? What dilemmas?
I made the comment week based off of R and
Z story around ninety a survey that indicated ninety percent
of houses required maintenance. And I mentioned that just off
the cuff last week, and someone did quick as a
flash text and say, what only ninety percent? I think

(08:22):
the question or the issue that was raised was ninety
percent of houses require significant maintenance, as in jobs delayed.
We all know that we've got jobs, and I guess
there's a planned maintenance approach to our houses, and then
there's the responsive maintenance, which is it's broken, I need
to fix it. I think the article was really about

(08:43):
something's broken and it needs fixing, and that's true for
about ninety percent of New Zealand houses. So don't feel
alone if you think, gee, there's things that I've got
to get done. Around my place. We can talk about
that and more on the program this morning. So OH
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call nine ninety two on the text machine and Pete

(09:07):
at NEWSTALKSB If you would like to send an email,
just go on fifteen minutes after six. The lines are
open for right now. You can be the first on
this Sunday, the twenty second of March, which if you're
a self employed person like myself, you're thinking, gee, that's
almost the end of financial year twenty twenty six. Time
to start getting all those receipts out of the shoe

(09:29):
box and getting them ready for their accountant. It's not
like that anymore. It's certainly not for me, thank goodness,
but it is coming up to the end of that
financial year. Time to sort of get things in order.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call all things building, construction, rules, regulations, products, tradees, good ideas,
bad ideas. Let's talk about them all. It is sixteen after.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Six, turning ohs into She'll be right the Resident builder
with Peter Wolfgam and Independent Building Supplies the future of
Kiwi Building Today, Call OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty
News TALKSBB and New Talks.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
They'd be welcome along to the show. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty then number to call Dave. Good
morning to you, Hi, am, I yeah, go for it.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
I high picked Peter. I am wondering about these Greennie
flats in terms of turning an existing building. I've got
a permitted skyline garage that i'd like to no turn
into No, no, okay, not simple.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah, pretty much. I mean we're gonna talk about it,
but it ain't going to change the outcome. So now
it's quite clear it's for new buildings only. Okay, all right,
all right, so building consent for what you're proposing.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, all the best.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Take care.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
That was.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's the answer. It's the answer. Twenty minutes after sex, Tom,
good morning, good mind, okay.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
Quiet a I had I'm a I like to use
the Yankee push screwgle Yes, yes, I had four of
them with different fittings, all stolen.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Hang on, someone stole all your screwdrivers. Four of them
there the fittings or the whole thing, No, the whole thing.
Oh yeah, I wonder whether we should take a moment
Tom and just there may well be a number of
people listening who don't understand what a Yankee screwdriver is.
So how would you best explain it?

Speaker 8 (11:43):
Well, it's a it's a spiral rotary screw driver. You
just push it and you you use a little adjustment
to go left turn or right turn. Yep, mostly we
use the right turn. I don't know any left very good, but.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
You go ahead, Yep, that's right.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
It's got very good control for getting a screw drivers
screws in to to the right depth and pressure and
all the rest without dipping them. There are three sizes,
I do believe or not. Bought a good one for
five dollars from the market the other day. But one
I'd say, it's the big screw. But this one's you know,

(12:25):
it's two foot long. It's oh yeah, I don't require
it for the small work. But you know, I'm in despair.
I had a number one, number two Possi drive and
two small Scotch cost It's I just found out I've

(12:46):
still got to do a few things before I die.
I'm eighty six now and it's slowing up. But I
was in right used to marketing.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Have you heard of him in right.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Yeah, he was at that way he had he had
a shot or special tools. Yes, it moved to Mount Wrigon.
I did ring in when I had this problem, and
you'd give them all these fittings away, one.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Of them, I think the challenge and look, this is
something that if you know what they are, and if
you've used them, you get what I because I went
out and bought one as well, didn't I kind of
had one when I was a much younger carpenter, not
a very good one like a modern equivalent. And then
I don't know, ten fifteen years ago, I bought a

(13:38):
proper Yankee screwdriver. I picked it up online somewhere. But
because they're an older tool, they often the driver but
are often just slotted screwdriver heads. And so then you know,
if you're trying to do a square drive or a
pose or something like that, you go, well, hang on,
what do I do there? So I did find I

(14:00):
might have even got one from the US or something
like that, an adapter that fitted into the chuck, let's say,
of the Yankee screwdriver and then had a conventional sort
of hex fitting in it that you could put driver
bits into. But I have to say, because I didn't
really grow up with them. I've used it a couple

(14:22):
of times. I still enjoy the fact that I've got one.
Do I use it on a regular basis? Now I
probably don't. But the great thing about them is you
will never run the battery down because basically you are the.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Battery right and you never have to charge it either.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
That's true, such as doors and sas and things. Yes,
it's ideal for the screws in the hands. Yes, doesn't
rip things apart.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Yes, I'm not quite your vintage. But I have to
say I one hundred percent agree with you, Tom, the
sentiment that like it. Watching people put door hard we're on,
for example, using a battery drill or a battery drill
driver just grinds my gears. I just use hand tools

(15:12):
for that sort of work, you know, small screws for
door handles, that sort of thing. I never ever ever
use a cordless driver for those anyway, Tom, I love
the chat, and I your your comment about someone pinching gear.

(15:35):
That's that's just so frustrating, and I thanks very much
for you call. Tom. I saw a post the other day,
so again, you know, local trade who had his vehicle pinched,
which meant all his tools got pinched with it. Or
you see posts every now and then, hey, look, can

(15:57):
you look out for a whole lot of gear, you know,
a whole lot of Makita gear, a whole lot of
a G gear, a whole lot of de Walt gear,
or whatever it is, you know going cheap in the
area because somebody smashed the side window of the van
the other day and pinched all my gear. I actually
just on that just before we go to the break,
I picked up on a story I mentioned it. I've

(16:19):
been meaning to mention it for a while. In the UK,
there is a fairly decent campaign running at the moment
where they want judges to impose harsher penalties on thieves
that steal tools because in the end, and if I've
had gear pinched, I think almost every single trade in

(16:41):
the country unfortunately has probably had gear pinched. In the end,
someone's stealing your livelihood, your ability to earn money to
make a living. So should we could do a little
text survey on this, Should judges impose like an additional

(17:03):
penalty for people that steal tools? Just a thought, It's
quite an interesting little campaign that's running in the UK,
and along with it, this is one of those rabbit
holes you can go down. Along with it is a
campaign to try and clamp down on And I love

(17:25):
flea markets, right, I love them to bits, but it
seems like the amount of tool theft in the UK
means that you end up with these kind of black
market flea markets of stolen tools, you know, like outside
the village type thing, and so they're trying to clamp
down on that. Yeah, anyway you may care to comment,

(17:46):
but having you gear ripped off, buddy, hell, it's annoying.
That's why final comment on this from me police for
a while. I'm sure they're still doing it. Run events
where they go like it, you know, a trade breakfast,
leave you tools with us and your driver's license and

(18:06):
we'll engrave your driver's license on the tool. Because while
I might like to paint mine with a bit of
orange paint to identify them, or I might with a
marker put PW on it, that means not a lot
to your local police officer. If Touchwood any of my
gear got ripped off again. Most of my power tools

(18:28):
now are engraved with my driver's license. So in the
unfortunate event that maybe it gets stolen sometime and it
gets recovered in a police raid. Is these things happen,
they can simply look at the driver's license and they'll
be able to find out who I am in a
matter of seconds, isn't it? And even if I'd sold it,

(18:49):
at least it would be a start of a trail
and I might be able to say, oh, yeah, that's right,
I sold that to young Joe last year on trade
me or whatever. So yeah, if you're looking to do
something sensible to perhaps increase the chances of you getting
your tools back, engrave your driver's life license onto your
power tools. The other thing is don't buy bloody stolen tools.

(19:12):
That's the other part of it. It is twenty eight
minutes after six you with new stalks, THE'B the lines
are open. The number to call, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Helping you finish that five and it fixed.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You started the resident builder with Beter Wolfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi building today. Call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Youth talks there, b.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
I love these ones where you getting broiled in domestic issues.
Let's say we'll come to that in just a moment.
A couple of texts that have come in this is
pertinent for our discussion after eight o'clock with Phil McNamara
from Brands is going to join me. Brands have just
released a pretty comprehensive guide on the new legislation in

(19:56):
terms of for want of a better phrase, and I
have to say I don't really like it. I don't
feel it sums up what we're trying to build. Granny
flats basically, so simple standalone dwellings up to seventy square
meters without necessarily requiring a building consent. What are the
rules and regulations? Will go a deep dive into that
with Pill from Brands after eight o'clock. Quick text that's

(20:16):
coming on that. Can it be the only dwelling on
a property or does it need to be a minor
dwelling alongside a large one? Yes, it does need to
be a minor dwelling or a smaller dwelling alongside an
existing one. So quite sensible. Really. It stops a developer
potentially or a landowner having a section which has got

(20:38):
no housing on it, simply putting a seventy square meter
building on there without a consent, so it prevents that.
So that's quite sensible. And just on the theft issue
that I raised a moment ago, my gyar has been
ripped off a few times. It's a pain in the
ass and that's why I've got tall insurance. But yes,
the judge should throw the book at the dot dot

(20:58):
dot Johnny. Nice to hear from you. Horse theft, says
one Texter was a capital offense tool. Theft is horse
theft in today's world. Kind of see where you're coming from. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Steve.
Good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah you Pete, how you're very good? Yeah, Look, I've
got a problem. Your way to help help me outwards?
Are you able to tell my missus it's not a
good idea to put closed hooks and the back of
hollow core doors? Mate?

Speaker 8 (21:32):
Can I put you?

Speaker 6 (21:34):
Can you put me on the spot and intervene in
this most private of conversations.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Here she is pep.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Can you tell her it's not a good idea to
put close hooks.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
It count have some challenges, doesn't it? Because the hollow
core door it might be a veneer door, or it
might be a bit of MDF and it's about four
millimeters thick. So yes, if you put a hook into it,
a conventional sort of hook, it won't last very long.
And as soon as you hang a wet jacket on it,
it'll rip out and cause some some damage.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
So yes, that she's I've been trying to tell her
that piece it's or mill But.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Yes, listen, some of them, some of them are empty
of skin, but they've got like a solid polystyrene core.
But you'd still have the same issue, wouldn't you. That
you would if you do want to do it, and
I'm I'm pretty sure I've done myself. Is actually, just
take a piece of timber, you know, maybe fifteen meal

(22:37):
thick or something like that. Machine something down and if
you really want to hock on the back of the door,
blue a strip on there and then fasten the hocks
into that. Because the hok on the back of the
door is actually very very handy.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
It is handy. The only problem is a lot of
the time they stend out further than like your door stops.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yes, if you don't.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Have any clothes on them, you know, they.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Do the doors up there there done that.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
He just wants to do it, mate, you can't do
it in Asia. But we don't really do it here,
do we not.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
They're not not probably because we maybe they don't have
as many hollow core doors.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
You know.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
I'm in an old villar. I've got small cordy doors.
I've got hocks on the back of most of them.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
The other thing is, I guess to get those adhesive hawks, right,
you know, with the that you can remove later on
and and use those so with a decent wide footprint
on them, and just stick those to the back of
the door, that will.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Work the any problem. It's for a rental, so they'll
probably fall off in about a couple of months and
fall from your tenants, I tell you. And then she's
got these over have you seen? And then they just
your door jam, you know what I mean. I think
they're just a silly idea.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
I was fossicating around in the laundry the other day
and found a cup stock, which is a Dutch name
for a good old fashioned you know, like a board
with a whole lot of hoks on it that you
can hang your coats on it and just mount that
on the wall nearby.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yes, you got that too, Okay, yeah, and one size
on the walls and one size on the doors as well.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
Yeah, right, okay, can you can you just say no?
I think I've strayed into your domestic arrangements enough to go. Yeah, look,
there's an issue with putting a hook in the back
of the door because it'll basically come out there. You go,
nice to talk with you. Take care, Bobbo. Tricky territory.
I can tell you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

(24:32):
eighty is the number to call, six thirty six and
Dean of very good morning to you. Good, thank you.

Speaker 9 (24:40):
That's the story. Hey, I was just wondering, what are
there rolls about covering underneath your text, you know, if
you can see it from your driveway or under and
you want to make your waterproof.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
No, because well, I guess as long as it's not
the beginning of a whole series of development. So for example,
I mean, you know, if you've got a deck from
let's say the first floor, and maybe you park the
car under there, or you park the boat under there,
you're right, you know, if it's joisted and decking, water
will go through there, and you often look at it

(25:13):
and go, gee, that could be really great if that
was had some sort of weather proof covering to it.
So no, I don't think that there's any rules until
it becomes oh good, now that I've put a roof
on it, I'll put some walls on it. Then I'll
put a door on it, and you know, next thing,
you're in a full bedroom house sort of thing. So
as long as you don't go down that path that
the challenge with them that I've always found is how

(25:36):
would you do it? And then how do you maintain it?
Because I've seen a bunch of them where people will
use maybe like that clear light, you know, the roofing
product and fix it. Ideally with a bit of a
fall so the water is getting out, but over time
it tends to fill up with a bit of debris
and you know, leaves and so on, and can look

(25:58):
kind of manky basically on the underside.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, but no, in terms of rules and regulations, I
don't think there's anything stopping you from putting some sort
of lining on the underside to push that water away.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
You put it towards the gata. Could you just let
that run down and down flip onto the ground.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Look it's got Yeah, I mean ideally you want to
control stormwater discharge and so on. But in the end,
water is hitting the ground anyway, right, So if it
hits the ground in a twenty square meter patch, or
you collect that and it hits the ground in a
five meter long strip or something like that, as long
as it doesn't become a nuisance for someone, either for

(26:43):
yourself or for your neighbors, then fine, knock yourself out.
I think. All right, all right, all the best.

Speaker 9 (26:52):
My toes ripped off last week as well.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
Oh did you well out of out of your work vehicle?

Speaker 9 (27:00):
That's out of the back of my I've got a
hard it on.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
The you yep.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, So how do you think they got through the
hard lit because typically they're quite.

Speaker 9 (27:10):
Actually I've gone and got a quote to get it,
and they just had it. Had it on a screw driver. Basically,
it's like an electronic you know. Yes, yes, you don't
even see the damage. I don't even notice that they
were gone until one day.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
When I jee because.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
They didn't take everything had a chase from there. They
didn't take the chase or but they got all of
a little like impact drivers and where they could. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
So yeah, look, I can understand the frustration and what like,
if you had to put a number on it, what
would it be? Three or four thousand dollars worth a gear? Success?
Probably twelve grand, twelve thousand dollars. Yeah, can I ask insurance?

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Yeah, I do have insurance, Okay, but you know it's
like it's a whole day of join a police for insurance,
going to get all your receipts. Ye, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah it is because I guess you can have the insurance,
but then you've got to prove what it is that
you had. And you know, typically as trade's when we
might not be that great on the old record keeping.
So do you keep a register of your tools and
tool purchases?

Speaker 9 (28:38):
You know, when we get them, photomit to zero. Yeah, brilliant,
and then it's all in there. So that's quite Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, at least you've got a record of them. I
guess these days it's so much easier if you buy something.
In fact, I did it this week. I bought a
new tool power tool. Took a photograph of the box
so I remember what it is. Took a photograph of
the tool with a close up image of the label
on the side with the serial number on it, right,
that's all you need, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Yeah, you can probably put that into zero as well.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yes.

Speaker 9 (29:18):
The other thing is.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. But I think
there's a couple of like online tools that you can use.
And just as it happens the tool that I bought,
create an account with the supplier and then log your
details there. So yeah, yeah that made sense. Oh mate,

(29:44):
I feel you pain. It's it's it's annoying. With a
whole lot of extra words tucked in before that. Yeah,
all right, hey, look after yourself.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
You go for it.

Speaker 9 (29:55):
Sorry, When they do the test and tag, they usually
record all your stuff as well.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Right, okay, you know that's good. And then the other
thing I mentioned earlier on is I'm pretty su your
police are still doing it. They'll they'll run little events
and then have your driver's license engraved on your tools.
So were your tools identifiable in any way?

Speaker 9 (30:18):
We had the company initials on it, and some of
them did have my sut size. But one of my
colleagues said, your driver's license.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Well, there's there's your hot tip for when you get
all your bright shiny new gear is get Actually my
sparky Paul from Devenport Electrical. He's brought himself a little
laser printer, so rather than engrave it by hand, we
were going to do a thing where we'd get a
whole bunch of trades around and you just put the

(30:52):
put the tool into the laser printer and laser engrave
so much neater your details onto the tools. That's that's smart.
Actually I must go and see him about that. Thank
you for reminding me. All right, mate, Hey, look after yourself,
take care well. The best, bobbo ah. Wow. Now this

(31:18):
is an interesting text that's come through because someone asked
earlier on about can you in terms of empty does
it does the granny flat need to go on to
an existing site where there is already a house And
my understanding is yes. Now Gary Council Compliance officer has

(31:38):
text through and said, hey, Pete, official word from Mby
you can build a granny flat on an empty section
and it does not have to be an association with
a dwelling. Yes, but and I'd be interested in your
thoughts Gary, would that require a building consent? So yes,
you can build a small dwelling on a section, depending

(31:59):
on covenants and so on and so forth. But then
that would require a consent. So the focus on the
discs we'll have after eight o'clock this morning with fil
from Brands is around the current legislation allowing you to
potentially build up to seventy square meters a simple standalone
dwelling or a granny flat without necessarily requiring a building consent.

(32:21):
And I think that once you dig down through it
in terms of all of the steps you have to follow,
there'll be a whole lot of triggers for the requirement
to get a building consent. So we'll go through that.
But I'm interested in your comment Gary on that. Maybe
you could text me a bit more information on that.
So according to you, you're saying that a granny flat

(32:44):
on an empty section doesn't have to be an association
with another dwelling. I always understood that it needed there
needed to be an existing dwelling there in order for
you to build up to seventy square meters without necessarily
requiring a building consent. I need to take a break.
We'll do that first and then we'll come back with

(33:05):
more of your call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Call where DIY gets unstuck. Call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfgam and Independent
Building supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today, News Dogs
there be.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
We're talking all things on the show today. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call, including delightful
call from Tom earlier on talking about his Yankee screwdriver,
and I think he had a selection of them. It
may not if you're a slightly younger listener, the idea
of a Yankee screwdriver might mean absolutely nothing to you.
But they're a beautiful piece of cat They've been around

(33:47):
for quite a while, like I'm thinking seventy eighty years
since the first one was developed, and they're essentially a
ratcheting screwdriver where the shaft has got a spiral groove
in it, so as you apply pressure from the handle inwards,
it turns the blade basically at the end, or it

(34:09):
turns the fitting at the end, and then you can
screw in or screw out, depending on the setting.

Speaker 8 (34:16):
And I did.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
I went and bought one years ago because I figured
it'd kind of be funky and retro to have one.
And I've used it from time to time, but not
as much a couple of people have texted and gone, oh,
you can buy ratcheting screwdrivers that's slightly different. Like I've
got one of those actually in my desk draw so
inside the house with a selection of bits, and it's
just a ratchet so you can turn to the right

(34:38):
and then when if you're screwing in, you turn clockwise
to screw in, and then when you turn your hand back,
it just ratchets and then so you don't have to
keep turning your hand on the handle of the screwdriver.
You just ratchet backwards and forwards in order to do it.
I think most of us have probably got one of
those slightly different to the Yankee screwdriver, because that's as

(35:01):
you push in, that gives you the talk to turn
the head anyway. Nice old tools. O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. But
the challenge with them is is the fitting on the
end of the Yankee is often the bits that come
with it are often slotted. It's very hard to find,
for example, a Phillip's head. It's well, I'd love to

(35:21):
know if you've managed to find a Yankee bit or
a bit that fits into a Yankee screwdriver with a
square drive head on it without using an adapter. Send
me a text and you know where you got one from.
I should talk to the guys at Carbattech. They've probably
got one. But then if I talk to them, I'll
end up buying more tools anyway, Doug, good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
Yes, good morning.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
Look I have to replace.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
The roofing on on my garage.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yes, and I see.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
There's two different thicknesses. There's a point four.

Speaker 10 (35:53):
And a point five to five.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, which one should I be using?

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Look, it's completely up to you. So there is like
point four is compliant, right, it does what it says
on the tin. If, for example, it's a roof that
you might find that you have to get onto. So,
for example, if it was a lower roof of a

(36:18):
two story house and you know that people might walk
around on there, that might be reason to go point
five to five. If the span of the perlins perhaps
is a little bit wider, But even then point four
will do it. Look, I tend to take a belt
embraces approach to these things, and I'll go Look, if

(36:38):
I put point five to five on, it's just a
little bit stronger because it's a little bit thicker, and
maybe that'll give me a little either a little bit
more durability or a little bit more resistance in terms
of someone walking on it and not walking in the
right space. But in terms of compliance, there's nothing in it, okay.

(36:59):
And I know there's a bit of a price difference obviously.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
I think the beams for nailing into are about nine.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Hundred, which is pretty conventional. It's pretty standard, and the
point four will will span that, okay. And are you
going for a conventional corrugated profile or is it a
different profile of long run yep, corrugation yep.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Look, I if it's me, I don't know. There's a
part of me that just goes, look, I'm just going
to go for the heavier gauge because I think that'll
be We're not durable is not really the right word.
It's just that that extra bit of strength that you
get out of it. Right, So if it's within the budget,

(37:44):
then that's good. But don't don't feel that because you've
gone for point four that it's not going to be
as good. It'll be fine, but there yeah, yeah, it's
hard to describe why you'd go for the heavier gauge.
Apart from the obvious, which is there's more metal on
the roof, it'll be it is a bit thicker obviously,

(38:06):
et cetera, et cetera. What's the actual logical advantage of that?
If you're never going to get up on that roof again,
then zero point four is fine.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Yeah, No, I don't plan to.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Bolt or screws, so.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
They'll be the roofing screw. So it'd be like a
sixty five because the from the bottom of the trough
to the top of the ridge of the profile is
probably about eighteen mil. Your pearlins are about forty five mil.
So if you go for like a sixty five, don't
go for a seventy five, because what you'll find is
that the end of the driver bit or the end
of the fixing will come out at the bottom of

(38:47):
the pearlins everywhere, and that's not giving you any more holding.
So it's really enough to get decent embeddment into the
timber and then allowing for the rise the ridge. So
a sixty five or even a sixty would be fine.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Oh they quote a mid point twenty five or point
three five.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
Point two five? What's that is that? Is that the
gauge of the screw.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Or maybe it is.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Uh, I didn't Yeah, I didn't think that there were
different That's interesting, I suppose anytime I've just ordered roofing screws, right,
you can get them.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Color coated, and they've quote, give me a quote, and
it's for a price for a point two fives and
point three five.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Okay, Interesting, I didn't realize you get different gauges. That
might be my ignorance on that particular issue, but I'll
have a look at that during the news. Interesting. Hey,
good luck with it. Enjoy enjoy the new roof, all right, right,
take care. I've got a pile of roofing iron that

(39:57):
I picked up from a mate last year that's still
in the same place that I dropped it off when
I unloaded it from the ute because I was going
to replace the roof on the shed. I haven't yet,
but I did go out at a trade fair the
other day and buy a set of those electric shares
that you see all the roof is using. So instead

(40:19):
of working my way across the corrugated iron with a
pair of incidents, which is okay, but not as much
fun as a set of electric shaars. Now I get
a chance to use my new electric shares. Now I'll
have to go out and do the roof. If you've
got jobs that you need to do and you want
to talk about them, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call quick text before the
break morning peak. I started my time as an apprenticeship

(40:42):
in nineteen seventy two. I'm now sixty nine years old,
still building, but part time as I love it. People
pay me to go and people pay me to go
to the gym. I've got my large Yankee screwdriver from
Shroft's Hardware. I remember that store so good for removing
difficult screws due to the leverage that you can apply.
Thank you very much for that text. That's fantastic, right HEO.

(41:03):
We're back after New Sport and we're the top of
there are at eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The resident builder with Peterwolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the
future of Kiwi Building. Today News talk edb.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
And a very good morning. Welcome back to the program.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
and nine two ninety two for the text or ZBZB
file phone. If you'd like to see me an email,
you're more than welcome. It's Pete at newstalksb dot co
dot m Z. So we're talking a little bit about tools,
we're talking a bit about roofing, we're talking about howks
in the back of doors and the domestic issues that
come along with that, and also in the next hour,

(42:00):
So we're going to take your calls for the next hour.
Then after eight o'clock, very kindly, Phil McNamara from Brands
has set aside some time to have a bit of
a chat about Brands, the Building Research Authority. They have produced,
as they do, bulletins on all sorts of building issues,

(42:21):
and the one of the more recent ones they've done
is a guidance on the rules and regulations regarding granny
flats or simple standalone dwellings. So what we're going to
do and Phil was part of the team that researched
and wrote that particular bulletin, which is available online. I
put a link up on my resident builder Facebook page,

(42:42):
or if you search for b was it b U
seven four, you'll find the guidance online as well, really simple,
straightforward set of guidance around all of the rules and
regulations governing the construction of these up to seventy square
meter dwellings, maybe without a consent. And I apologize in

(43:04):
advance for constantly referred to maybe's and possibly and so on,
because I think that when you dig into this you
might find that any number of other parts of the
compliance pathway end up directing you back to getting a
building consent. So my approach is very much that, you know,

(43:27):
I think we've been not misled, but it is tempting
to think, oh, now you can just build whatever you want.
That's not true anyway. So what we're going to do
is with Phil, we're going to set up a scenario
essentially where I want to build one, and so I'm
going to ask him all of the questions of all
of the steps to get one built, and then we

(43:49):
should figure out where who we need to talk to,
what level of compliance, what level of documentation, what do
you need to provide to counsel, how do you get
them signed off in effect? And so on, And we'll
do that after eight o'clock this morning, So looking forward
to that and thank you for some of the texts
that have come through. We got talking about tools, and
I'm always happy to talk about tools, especially after Tom

(44:11):
talked about his Yankee screwdriver or screwdrivers unfortunately they got
pinched seemingly. And then we got on to talking about
tool thefts as well, including that chat with Dean who
asked a completely separate question but then kind of revealed
that just last week somebody low life busted the lock

(44:32):
on the back of his mute, on the hard deck
on the back of his mute and pinched about twelve
thousand dollars worth of power tools out of the back
of the ute. And okay, in this instance, I mean,
I'm trying to put an estimate on how many trades
would have their tools ensured for replacement after theft, and

(44:55):
I'd be very surprised that it was more than twenty
five percent of trades would have that level of insurance.
In which case, when gear gets ripped off, and it's
happened to me, it's happened to almost every single tradi.
You've got to work to earn the money to buy
the tools that allow you to do your work, and
without your tools, you can't work, so yeah, it's a

(45:19):
bit of an issue. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
We're talking all things this morning, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
all things building, construction and tools and having the right
tool for the right job. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The number to call said, good morning. Yea, he said, oh,

(45:40):
good morning, crazings.

Speaker 11 (45:42):
Yeah, good morning. Yeah. I was looking for a product.
I'm masking out an area to put grip on it
and in the corners. I've actually seen the product. You
can you can get these stickers in the in there's
there's a concave in a convex, masking cave in a role.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
Really.

Speaker 11 (46:08):
Yes, I've seen a packet that's got on a your head.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
I had one, but it's.

Speaker 11 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, when you go and ask people
and that's like ex boots, they kind of, you know,
they think you're from another planet.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
I have to say, I I've never seen it. I'm
not suggesting it doesn't exist. I can see the usefulness
of it, but I so literally it's a masking tape,
but it's already got either a convex or a concave
element to it. So for masking an interior or an

(46:46):
exterior corner.

Speaker 11 (46:48):
Yeah, yes, they do exist. A goner your head head
somebody right, yeah, because he was doing his deck. But
I should have taken a photo of it.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Ah.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
But hey, look, if someone can text me the name
and probably more usefully where you can buy this magical
masking tape, they can do that and stay listening and
I'll read it out as soon as that that information arise.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Okay, all the best. So, if you know of a
masking tape that is designed to essentially go around corners
right on an exterior corner, I'm thinking it's relatively simple

(47:35):
if you're masking an exterior corner, right, so you can
roll out your masking tape along one edge and simply
fold it over. But I can see the utility the
usefulness of a masking product that's got essentially an interior
corner that would allow you to perhaps take unroll a
bit of it. How would you unroll it? Like, how

(47:55):
do they roll it on to a piece of roll
with a ninety degree corner on it. It's going to
be challenging. See unroll it. It's already pre formed, and
you could simply press it into place. There is a
usefulness to that. Oh, w eight hundred if you have
seen it, this unicorn type masking tape, let us know,

(48:16):
and then I can let SID know. And that's another
mystery solved on the program this morning. Thank you very much. O.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
A couple of techs that have come in. Giraldo texts, Hi, Pete,
who does one go to when within a year of
buying a brand new build numerous issues show up as
the season's roll over. The initial building inspection was just
done on what's in sight and not within the walls,

(48:37):
roof and underfoot. Right now we're left with nowhere to go.
As anyone you talk to says, talk to the builder
who isn't interested, Well, nothing gets the interest of a
builder more than the threat, I suppose, for want of
a better term of going to the licensed building practitioner board.
So the builder, now that might not be the developer,

(49:02):
because the developer may not be a licensed building practitioner,
but somewhere along the line in the code of compliance
documents will be the name of the either the builder
or whoever's done the actual building work on the project,
and they will need to be a licensed building practitioner,
so they then have a duty, they have code of

(49:24):
ethics and their other responsibilities to reply to issues that
you're raising. And I guess if they're not interested, then
they can explain their lack of interest to the Licensed
Building Practitioners Disciplinary Board. So that's generally one way of
getting people's attention, so I would try that. Otherwise, there

(49:47):
are I guess legal redress where you remind them of
their legal responsibilities. I can certainly understand your frustration, but
there are ways of doing it. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call, Bonny Pete. I've
just bought an older saw bench with a solid steel
top or a steel bench. How do I stop it
from rusting? When I use it? It gets good use,
It could sit for weeks before I go back to it.

(50:08):
Love to hear what's available. Cheers Brett and the lovely Ararimu.
Thank you, Brett. I've had reasonable success with penetrol, So
just a spray of penetrol over tool surfaces keeps the
rust at bay puts a slight lubricant on the surface
without it being tacky or rubbing off. You know, because

(50:31):
you could apply. Sorry, I'm just laughing because it's a
fantastic text that's just come in the Yeah, I pulled
a partner old vice the other day and cleaned it
up and put it back in and just use some
penetrol over it. I think there's other tool oils that
you can buy as well, particularly like for a heavy

(50:53):
steel tabletop on a table saw. My table saw's got
an allowing top because it's one of those movable ones.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a special tool oil. Actually,
i'd be interested to know for maybe people that have
got older tools, what oil you use to keep them
in good Nick, because yes, the rust will always come back. Oh,

(51:16):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Pete says this texter. I'm not sure what's worse having
your tools pinched and having to claim on them or
the five other tools that you find missing once you've
had the claim settled chairs from Nick. I remember many
many many years ago we had a site shed broken

(51:37):
into and I was just a young feller on site,
so I used to take all my tools home. But
tom my boss at the time, they've broken They pinched
a whole lot of gear, and for literally months afterwards,
you'd be looking around for something, going, oh, that's right,
you know they pinched that. Maybe an old screwdriver or
maybe a cold chisel or something that I've collected over years.

(52:02):
And then you'd realize that that got pinched as well.
So I get exactly where you're coming from.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Nick.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
just on the before we go to the break and
this spear line, So jump in now, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. The tape probably comes from Shamrock Green
from Neil. That's fantastic. That's just a brilliant one. Is
that guy talking about the tape that has a line
down the middle like plasterer's tape? Yeah, but you wouldn't

(52:29):
use that for masking. I know what you mean. Um,
it's basically jib stopping tape. Isn't it reinforcing tape for
jip stopping? But that's that won't work as masking tape.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
So umm.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Oh, I'll get to the master builder's claim in just
a moment. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We'll be back with you in just
a moment.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Vexing. What they forgot to mention on that YouTube video.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Call oh eight hundred eighty News Talk ZIRB.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Turn microphone on, that's broadcasting. I was actually looking through
the emails from sort of my work emails, which is
you know Pete at Newstalk CB dot co don Zed
and I have to be really honest, I only log
into them when I come into the studio. So there's
obviously a little bit of a backlog, including one from
the bosses saying that News Talk CB's anniversary occurs around

(53:33):
this time, which is remarkable. So nineteen eighty seven, about
the sixteenth of March nineteen eighty seven, and I'm trying
to figure out when I did my first overnight shift here.
It's got to be about nineteen eighty eight eighty nine.
I think that's a long time ago. Speaking of a
long time ago, one of the highlights of my week

(53:55):
I went off to Hamilton on Wednesday to attend an
Introduction to Energy Modeling course that's put on. It's a
bit of a road show from New Zealand Green Building
Council where they're inviting people in different centers to come along.
I know, going to Hamilton with diesel at whatever price
it is at the moment is foolish. But I couldn't

(54:16):
make the Aukland one. I really wanted to do the course,
so I shot down there. It also gave me an
opportunity to go and see my first boss in terms
of building. So Tom took me on as a very
young fella in nineteen eighty seven, and I built with
him for a couple of years before sort of going
out on my own. He's still hail and hearty and

(54:38):
full of ideas and passion and enthusiasm for building, hopefully
some of which I've picked up and held on to.
But just so lovely to have a cup of tea
with him and his wife and talk about building and
the old days and all the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
But that was shiver.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
It's nineteen eighty seven, so that goes back awey way
as well. It was awesome. Oh, eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Hually I did a couple of other
little visits on the way down, so I'll tell you
about that a little bit later on in the show
as well. Remember after eight o'clock Phil McNamara from Brands.
We're going to be talking through the legislation governing these
simple standalone dwellings or granny flats. And then, as always

(55:14):
red client pass who I reached out to in a
private situation. Someone texts me and goes, what do you
think is happening here? So of course I send that
on to Rudd and he gives me a call and
tells me that could be nice. That's a deeply mysterious topic.
We'll get onto that after eight thirty with Rod right now, Mark,
a very good morning to you. It was this working Ah,

(55:35):
there you go, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Greetings, get a keep smoking to you before.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
So here we go.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
This is this is way outside of my field, but
I've thought about it enough to say, look, I need
to give.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
People walf Camp a call about this one good man.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So I own a old state house, yes.

Speaker 12 (55:56):
Traditional, the three bedroom standalone up about three feet off
the ground, hip with the store with.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
The concrete pedestal under the under the laundry for the
Kappa fantastic.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
So anyway, my issue is.

Speaker 13 (56:11):
I have filthy eggs and filthy facia, yes, and I
blasted them with a wit and forget a while back.
They come up pretty good. It actually come up pretty.

Speaker 10 (56:22):
Good under the under the faith, under the eggs.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
I was quite surprised.

Speaker 12 (56:28):
But there's still some really filthy, dark black patches, and
the facia itself.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Is pretty pretty tarnished.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
It's dark as.

Speaker 12 (56:38):
Hack as well, and I'm wondering what sort of I've
given it a scrub with the house washbrush and I
didn't really do the job. So then I got on
the on the ladder and I went up with the
scrubber and that came up okay. But I'm a bit
concerned about how much moisture I can apply to clean
these before I start to potentially damage the eve because I.

Speaker 13 (56:59):
Don't know how it dries.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
Yeah, sure, that was my general concern is I don't
know anything about timber. I don't know anything about particle board.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
But from that you don't want to get away.

Speaker 12 (57:11):
So that's where I'm coming from about sort of how
to safely do that without harming the integrity of the timber.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
I mean in terms of cleaning, you know, you're you're
spraying water and solution onto the surface, and it's going
to hang around on the surface, and then you're going
to effectively dry it off right, so it's not like
you're saturating the surface, and even if you did, it's
a one off event. It'll dry out. But it sounds

(57:43):
like you've done everything that you would typically do right.
So maybe a treatment which is just a surface treatment,
then you wash it off or depending on which pre
wash treatment you've used. I I for obvious reasoned, yeah,

(58:03):
there's a I would just go down to Razim to
the color shop get their house wash and prep solution.
It is incredibly effective. So I used it a little
while ago on a bathroom ceiling that had been had
a lot of mold and mildew on it and so on,
and I was going to repaint anyway, but I wanted
to make sure that i'd knocked off all of that

(58:24):
sort of organic growth. So applied that you apply it,
you'd let it soak on for a while, you rinse
it off thoroughly, you let it dry, and then before
you go and paint it. So I would take that approach.
So the challenge is, obviously with an eve is that
it's upside down, right, so everything wants to drip off.

(58:44):
So maybe with a sponge, like with a good old
fashioned squeegee. Make up your solution. Dip the squegee in there,
use that to apply the product and agitate lightly, then
rinse it off. The other thing is at a certain
point things need repainting, right And I noticed it actually
a balustrade that I built. Was it six years ago? Painted,

(59:10):
looked after it, But because it's on a slightly shaded
side of the house and all the rest of it,
it had got some of that black mold and mild
you on it. I cleaned it down. In the end
the best solution was actually to clean it down and
then repaint it. So at a certain point you're probably
up for a repaint of the eaves and the facial
board as well. Oh cheers please, I can't appreciate that

(59:32):
trouble at all. Thank you mate, all the best, take
care you and you be if you've got a couple
of questions. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call um?

Speaker 7 (59:44):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Yes, the master builders one. This is interesting. Morning Peak
just received notification from Master bild saying that our builder
has said that they will rectify the claim we put in.
How long would it take the builder to make contact
with us to rectify great show, and thanks for your
advice previously. In terms of legislation, you must respond and

(01:00:09):
repair work that you're legally required to do within a year,
which I know for some people that you listen to
that and go criky, that seems like an awfully long
time and all the rest of it. That's just what's
set down. Ideally, if in this instance you've worked through
a negotiated claim and the builders accepted that they need

(01:00:31):
to come back and do some remedia work, you'd like
to think that they'd prioritize it, but it just becomes
a professional thing in that sense that you know, if
you're going to have to go back and fix something,
the sooner you get it done, the better for your
reputation and to keep a client happy. Because human nature
being what human nature is, you know, if you've accepted

(01:00:53):
that there's some work that you need to fix, the
longer you the longer gap between accepting that you need
to go back and actually getting back. The longer you
leave that there's an exponential growth of the number of
things that someone's going to find to fix as well.
So if the contractor is smart, they'll be there as
soon as possible. But I think from a legal point
of view, it's one year that you have that you

(01:01:16):
can potentially be waiting for someone to come and fix
things like that. Pam A very good morning.

Speaker 14 (01:01:22):
Yes, good morning to you. I'll just pull over, sorry,
not driving, thank you. I've got a situation. I've purchased
a nineteen seventies brick home that needs a full reget
revent renovation. So it's quite extensive. And we've pulled off
the jibballs on the inside because it wasn't insulation, and

(01:01:43):
we're going to put the building paper and the insulation in. Yes,
and I'm replacing the aluminium journey and I've got I
don't know what to do. I've got two opinions from
Aluminium joining Countley's. One says two more breaks and the
other one says ordinary double blazing. I've had ordinary before

(01:02:04):
and it does get condensation on inside. Where I'm living now,
I've got some thermal break windows.

Speaker 11 (01:02:11):
It's great.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
There's never any connentation.

Speaker 14 (01:02:15):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Okay? Can I throw into the mix another thought for you?
So if you are going to replace the so it's
it's a nineteen seventies unit, but it's aluminium joinery, so
to be very early elements.

Speaker 14 (01:02:30):
It's got wooden joy's at the end of its flight.

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Okay, all right, I mean wooden joinery. One of the
things that's an advantage is that it's often repairrable. But
at the same time I accept that if it's if
the advice is that it's end of life, then you're
going to look to replace it. In terms of thermal performance,
the closest you'll get to the timber, because timbers are
very good thermal or provides less opportunity for a thermal break,

(01:02:59):
sorry for a thermal bridging. Then have you considered uPVC?

Speaker 14 (01:03:08):
I did look at her. I live in the central
White Chatto. I couldn't find anybody around here who did it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
There will be people out there, you know, it's worth considering.
And funnily enough, I got someone in Auckland, another little
job that I'm involved with, needed to replace a timber frame.
It's like yours reached the end of life. I had
GW windows come. They're going to do a uPVC insert right,

(01:03:36):
So in terms of the thermal performance, the uPVC is
very very good, and so i'd hunt around. If you
can do a house lot, i'd certainly hunt around and
consider that, and certainly for your older building, it's the
glazing is that last week point. So if you've gone
through retrofitted insulation into the exterior walls, you're going to

(01:03:58):
upgrade the joinery as in the frames, and then you're
going to add double glazing. I presume it's accessible underneath,
so you can add more insulation to the underfloor space
concrete slab. Okay, all right, so theoretically, well not theoretically,
there will be a bit of heat loss through the

(01:04:19):
concrete slab, but that's unavoidable now, right, There's not a
lot that you can do to retrofit that. But doing
the walls, doing the windows, doing the ceiling will make
a massive difference to their comfort inside that house, without
a doubt.

Speaker 14 (01:04:35):
Okay, one more little question. Sure not all the windows
are at the end of their use by day. Some
of them are. You could you know if I have
scraped them down?

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Sure?

Speaker 14 (01:04:50):
So would you say keep those ones?

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
I guess there's a consistency issue where you go, hey,
would it be better if the whole house had the
same joinery? Yes, But I also understand that these things
are all also always about budget, right, So if you
picked it and went, look, these are the ones that
are really worn, or these are the ones that are
definitely end of life. I'm going to do those and

(01:05:15):
some others I might repair, and can I say too,
if you're thinking about essentially mixing and matching, you might
want to consider the uPVC because in a sense, it
looks a lot more like your timber joinery. Ok, it's
not quite as contrasting. Let's say. The other issue, or

(01:05:37):
the other option with some of the uPVC inserts is
that you can remove like the sash or the and
the mullions and that sort of thing, keep the actual
timber frame and insert the new joinery into there. So
it makes the process of replacing part of the joinery

(01:05:59):
a lot more straightforward, because otherwise, you know, like if
you're taking a timber window out and putting in, for example,
new element, can you retro for the elment. I'm not sure.
You know, you've got all of the junctions and the
contact with the brick work and the sill and all
the rest of it. Whereas, and that's the reason that
I've gone for a uPVC insert into this existing window

(01:06:22):
is it's the sash that has reached the end of
its life, the frame is okay, I don't want to
have to redo the flashings and so on, so we'll
simply pull that sash out and insert a new window
into the existing opening and job done. So you have
a look. Just go to the Stark website. So S
T A r K yeah, dot co dot NZ the

(01:06:45):
uPVC window. They've also got contractors that work in the
retro fit space. All right, we give them a call
on Monday.

Speaker 14 (01:06:54):
Yeah, because the quotes I've got are over thirty k
for a three bedroom house with an attached single garage
basically of one hundred and thirty square meters.

Speaker 8 (01:07:05):
So it's eye wateringly expensive and I want to.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Do the best.

Speaker 14 (01:07:09):
Yeah, but I don't want to be a cheap skating
agreement later.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
No, look, it's it's a I mean to be fair.
Thirty k sounds kind of reasonable, but yeah, but if
you can get the performance out of it again potentially
by doing uPVC, then I'd look at that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:30):
Because one of the people said to me, oh, you've
got an air gap between your bricks and you're in
you're where the insulation is. The thermal break won't work
because you've got that break there and that's going to
be cold.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
True, true, but not true. So I think a thermal
bridge is what we're talking about. And the thermal bridge
is a way for heat to be transferred through a
building element.

Speaker 9 (01:07:58):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
So in this case, if you're talking about your existing
aluminium jowinery, it's aluminum from the inside to the outside.
Aluminiums are very very good conductor, and so even when
you upgrade the joinery of the glazing to double glazed,
you'll still have that heat transfer through there, and so
you'll often see condensation around the perimeter of a window.

(01:08:21):
So what you're looking for is a thermal brake, and
you can do that with aluminium by using a particular extrusion.
Timber obviously is a quite good insulator, but in terms
of someone describing that cavity as a thermal brake, close
but not close enough. So the brick works by having

(01:08:44):
some ventilation behind it. That's how it dries out. So
by putting insulation into the wall framing and by using
some building wrap, so you'll do pieces of building wrap
inside each segment, then putting your insulation. The advantage to
that is you're keeping that air gap at the back,
which allows for ventilation and drying behind your brickwork. You

(01:09:05):
won't get a lot of air tightness because it's really
difficult to do with retrofitting insulation in the way that
you're going to do it. But putting insulation in there,
putting the building wrap in as best you can and
try and be as diligent with that process as you
possibly can will make a huge benefit. And it keeps
the integrity of the brickwork, which is great. Sounds like

(01:09:26):
a fantastic project.

Speaker 14 (01:09:29):
It's and I'm going to paint the exterior.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
Will that make any difference onto paint over the brickwork.

Speaker 14 (01:09:36):
Yes, it's Summit's doin.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
I'm going to paint.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Yeah, sure, no, I mean look at it changes the
way you know, obviously you're going to get less absorption
of moisture into the brick because you're sealing the surface
with a paint. That's probably not a bad thing. Thank you,
my pleasure, take care, all the best things bother you
and new stalks that'd be. Will take a break and

(01:10:00):
we'll be back with more of your calls in a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Oh into She'll be right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
The Visited Builder with Peter Wilfscam and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi building.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Today call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk ZB.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
To see how jayframe is used with these relocatable and
modular homes. And we're joined by Kevin Taylor who's the
business manager at leisure Coom Homes based in Hotapu and Cambridge.
Now leisure Coom specializes in turnkey, modular and relocatable homes
delivering high quality, factory built homes throughout Auckland, Northland, the

(01:10:38):
Bay of Plenty right across the North Island. Kevin, great
to have you with us, Thanks, Peter, good to be
here right. So how long has jframe been part of
the leisure Coom system and what initiated the change?

Speaker 15 (01:10:53):
Good question, Peter, leisure Coom decided to move from the
traditional SGA to jframe about sixty seven years ago for
all our new home builds, which was very much driven
to continue to deliver superior built home batch for our
longevity and maintenance free in utilizing the strong product.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
So what stood out for you and the team at
leisure con when you first started using j frame. What changed?

Speaker 15 (01:11:22):
The real standout was was the accuracy and the timbersizing
that we found dimensionally true and straight due to it
being a manufactured product. This really saved us substantial time
and straightening our homes and ready for pre lineers. You'd
understand to get through the inspections. Well, a part that

(01:11:43):
we saw then was they stayed true and straight, so
our homes stay at a really high quality without that
movement over the seasonal climate changes. A final part was
the reliable and with straight and durable products that again
aligns with our quality and perhuticoa Frame and Trust who

(01:12:05):
make and menu factory our frames do a great job
in delivering us a good product.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
Because of course, you know, we're all used to a
bit of movement, but most of us don't put our
houses on a barge and move it around. So you're
transporting the houses, so they've got to be particularly rigid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 15 (01:12:22):
We're probably the building company who tests the strength of
our house most and again the strength of jayframe is
what really comes into play. We know as a business
we can be really confident whether we're transporting the homes
anywhere in the North Island, putting them on a barge,
or we do two story modular homes so we crane

(01:12:44):
them into position as well and end product, great condition,
really happy clients.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
So any tips for builders listening today that might be
new to Jframe.

Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I've thought a bit about this question and it's
pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Really.

Speaker 15 (01:13:00):
If you want to build a great product, Jayframe is
one of the key products to achieve that true and
accurate built home. You know, it's faultless.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Really.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
Hey, now, leisure Com, what's different about your modular and
relocatable homes?

Speaker 15 (01:13:16):
I had a whole page to go here, mate, so
I had to shorten it up a little bit. But
look a couple of key points. Leisure Comm's quality finishes
before the build leaves our factory at how tapoo fully
complete code of compliance.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
You know, this can include toll showers, whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
The client wants.

Speaker 15 (01:13:34):
And another real standout is our on site management team
that allows us to take the build through to full
turnkey contracts for clients, which is a real plus. And
they know that the total build is being managed from
start to finish in a timely manner. You know, when
you reflect back something that I sort of reflected on

(01:13:54):
myself that we're really proud of, and Rob the director
says a lot is our referral rate that we get
from past clients, and I just think it's a real
testament to the twenty five years of leisure common business one.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Now, we know it's been tough, but what do you
reckon twenty twenty six looks like for leisure Com.

Speaker 15 (01:14:13):
As I just said, first and foremost, we're celebrating twenty
five years in business this year, which is pretty exciting
and shows a pretty good strength of our brand. We're
always looking to progress in our industry where the builds
are first home buyers, beach homes, multi level and we
we're trying to be at the forefront. I guess in
a reflection, we're just prepared for another challenging year, but

(01:14:36):
excited about more people choosing to have a home built
in a controlled environment like ours to avoid the modern
weather patterns, costly delays and see some real growth back
in our industry for an exciting year.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Absolutely. Hey, what's the best way for listeners to get
a hold of you?

Speaker 15 (01:14:54):
Either check out our website dub dub dub dot leisurecom,
dot co, dot m Z, or give us a call
for a chat with any any of the team here
O seven eight two, three, five nine five one and
will help guide anyone through the process right from the start.

Speaker 7 (01:15:09):
Mate.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Awesome to talk with you, Kevin, Thanks very much, and
folks to learn more about Duke and check out JNL
dot co dot nz zed be your news talk seid
B and we're taking your calls right up to eight o'clock.
After eight o'clock, we're taking a deep dive into this
whole granny flat legislation, the rules and regulations. So Phil
mcnarara from Brands is one of the team who's been

(01:15:33):
part of the research for a recent bulletin that Brands
puts out. So it's bulletin number seven oh four b
U seven oh four has a really good thorough breakdown
of all of the rules and regulations, the what you
have to do, who you have to talk to, what
type of tradees you might talk to, and we're going
to run through that with Phil after eight o'clock. Will

(01:15:56):
take your calls right up to eight Suzanne, good morning,
Thanks for waiting. Good morning, greetings.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
So we built a hout well, we had a have built.
We moved in in twenty twenty three by a reputable
company and loved the build. There were a few odds
and thoughts that you know that caused trouble, as there
always are, and they came in fixed those. So then

(01:16:25):
two years later we noticed that the paint around the
windows were crackened. Yea, and so it cracked and it
literally sort of went back. You could see the board,
you know, the timber under it. And so we contacted

(01:16:49):
the firm and they said that we have a year
with which to share any concerns that we have, and
that it was two years. And you know, they one
of them said, well, you know, you can come back
to us in five or ten years. I said, well,
we're not doing it. We're coming back at two years.

(01:17:12):
I would have thought a brand new home should I
would have thought the paint should last longer than two years.
They just they seem they are very reluctant to do
anything about it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
Just how that just just quickly, can you just when
you say the paint is cracking, so is it the
painted surface that's cracking? So a junction? Okay, so it's
not the paint itself, it's the actual substrate.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
No, it's the paint. So right, you know, like the
whole you know the height of the whole window, there's
just a crack that runs right up it. And now
the crack cracking the paint, and you can see these
timber underneath the you know, underneath where the paint was.

(01:18:03):
It kind of almost looks like the paint hasn't even stept. Yeah,
I would, but they are very reluctant to accept any
responsibility for it. And you know, we're not really sure
what to you know, what to do. Do we have
any recourse or do we not.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
I tell you what I'm going to have to because
I know what they're saying in terms of a year,
and there is a guidance around, you know that certain
types of things can be must be addressed within a year.
But then I would have thought that there is a
warranty on the paint work that would extend beyond that.

(01:18:46):
So I wonder whether they're using one excuse to cover
something else. But I need to go away and do
some work on it, which I might only get time
to do during the course of the week. So yeah,
I can we part this, and I promise i'll during
the course of the week, and then I'll mention it
again next week on the sho show, ideally around the

(01:19:07):
same time, if that helps you. But that's a really
interesting one, and I'll certainly go and talk to a
couple of painting contractors around what their obligations are. Thanks
very much for that. And look, I can understand it's
a bit troubling if it's a relatively new build, which
it is, and you're getting that sort of defect already.

(01:19:28):
So thanks very much for That's an interesting issue coming
up seven to fifty here at news Talk, said b
we will take short break, me back with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
In a moment, helping you finish that vibe. But it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
You started the resident builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building today call oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talk ZB.

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
We might have solved the mystery about the masking tape
as well. Thank you, Wendy. Good morning, Pete Tummia as
in the model makers masking tape for curves Tammia masking
tape PB Tech. Apparently I've got it brilliant. Thank you
very much for that. I could go on to a
whole long thing about making models as a kid, but

(01:20:10):
I'll park that for another day. Brian, greetings, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
How are you very well?

Speaker 16 (01:20:16):
Good? I'm looking for I've done three quarters of the house.
It's only three bedrooms to do, and I've done the
whole house, except in these street bedrooms. With lining paper,
you put it over the top of the wallpaper, one
hundred times better than wallpaper ever been, and you lay

(01:20:37):
it long ways, and I can not buy any of it.
I've looked everywhere, been into all the shops here in Hamilton,
and some of them just looking at me as a blink.
And I've been debudding, say had it that they haven't
got any them not bringing anymore into the anything. Do

(01:20:58):
you know where I can pick some up?

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
The lining paper? Is it a little bit like an
Anaglypta type paper or is it smooth?

Speaker 16 (01:21:07):
It's slight wallpaper, but it's a little bit thick of
the wallpaper, right, and it's got nothing on it. Let's
just pray and you paid over it and it makes
a damn good job. And when you join it, you
just lay it long ways and you just push it
up and it meets really nice. And if it's gets

(01:21:27):
a bit, you know someplaces you might be a little
bit rough, you just send it back a little bit
with about two hundred and forty yeap and paper and
it looks really, really nice.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
I've just done the old quick search online and one
of the first that's is Bunnings have got it. Hayden
twenty meters of white lining paper paste, the paper economical
heavy duty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
No, yeah, yeah, So I've been.

Speaker 16 (01:21:54):
I've been to putting Z boast or z in Hamilton
and Nato David. They said they're not bringing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Anymore right, Look, you might just have to get it
ordered in online and so on, or just ring through
to their main line and get someone to bring it in.
But it does pop up on the website. A couple
of other companies have got it as well. But interesting
lan enopisode does Bunnings Radio After the News, Sporting Weather,
Top of the Air at eight, a deep dive into

(01:22:22):
Granny Flats. So Phil McNamara from Brands is going to
join me and I'm going to be the person that's
asking the questions. He's got all the answers. After the News.

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Where di Y gets unstuck Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
The Resident Builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today, News Dogs, there Be.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Radio, Good Morning, Welcome back to the program. It's six
minutes after eight and in just a moment we're going
to have a chat with Phil McNamara. We're going to
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the rules and regulations were most of them. Anyway, we'll
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righty Oh. Now, of all of the topics that we've
had on the show over the last couple of years,
this one perhaps has brought with it a fairly high

(01:24:14):
level of inquiry, let's say, and I think unfortunately the
way in which it was initially presented it felt like
there were no rules. Well, Phil, as we both know, Phil,
you and I both being tradees, there are always rules
when it comes to building. So let's run through this

(01:24:34):
guidance around the small buildings exempt from consents. Phil, very
good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Oh, thanks for having me.

Speaker 10 (01:24:42):
Yes, I was a builder also, so yeah, joining Joining Brands,
I do like to bring a voice for builders here
at Brands. I just to point out that we are
an independent organizations that we don't set or enforce the rules,
but we have the expertise here that you know, can
help provide guidance.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
Excellent. So what I thought we'd do is, let's imagine
that I want to build one of these small dwellings
granny flat for want of a better term, or simple
standalone dwellings at my own property. Now I can't because
I simply don't have enough space. And I guess too.
The other thing is a lot of the focus has

(01:25:18):
been on seventy square meters, but that doesn't mean that
you have to build seventy. Of course, you could build
thirty square meters, forty square meters, fifty square meters, whatever
it is that's going to suit an individual purpose. So
if I was to start and I look out at
my backyard and I go right, that's where it's going
to go. What's the first step that I need to

(01:25:41):
do in terms of understanding what the regulations are. Do
I need to look at planning regulations for the town?
Do I need to think about the you know, where
I can put it? How big, how far away from
the neighbour's property, how far away from my own house?
Where do I start with the guidance?

Speaker 10 (01:26:04):
Yeah, well, so first off, you're absolutely correct, you need
to have enough for that clear space. So I would
have a walk around my yard and make sure you
just be aware of the main ones that it has
to be new.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
It has to be a single story.

Speaker 10 (01:26:19):
It has to be stand alone. It cannot be an
addition or alterations, or it's a steam building. Another one
is it's got to be two meters away from any
other residential building or legal boundary. There's also one meter
floor one meter above the ground for a floor height,
which means steeper sites usually won't qualify. There are other

(01:26:41):
special requirements that you need to meet, so you really
do need to do your homework on this. The official
guidance is absolutely excellent, lots of detail, very comprehensive, but
there's definitely in a lot you need to get your
head around. I recommend starting, you know, actually looking at
our brand's bulletin Small Plans from Consent. It would be
a great place to start because it's a clear summary

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of all the requirements and we have links there that
will provide you to the official guidance, which has really
good things like a homeowner step by step guide for
planning granny flat checkflists and things like that. You also
need to be aware of the resource management requirements because
they also apply. For example, the main dwelling granny flat

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can't cover more than fifty percent of the site. In
rural areas, there's larger setbacks like ten meters from the
front yard and five meters from the rear and rear
inside yards. So depending on your your site specific you
may be able to get the building consent exemption and

(01:27:48):
a resource consent exemption, but if it doesn't meet all
the grigh you may need to apply for one or both.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
Right, So it's possible, for example, that you'll need a
resource consent for the project, but not necessarily a building consent.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
Okay, Actually a text has come through. Can I build
more than one?

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:28:12):
That's the great question. Can you build more than one?
I definitely know for the other exempt ones you can,
but this one, Yeah, that would be determined from the
what's it called the district planning and things like that.
I would imagine, all right, not in the building consent invention,
it would be in the in the Yeah. So it's

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it's standalone.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
Yeah, okay. So let's say I've had a look around.
My section's got to be relatively flat, doesn't it, because
you know, I'm thinking, let's say you've got a reasonable
amount of fall or a modest amount of fall. If
you let's say, five hundred mili out of the ground
on one side, and then you find you're a meter
out of the ground on the other, that would trigger
a requirement for a building consent.

Speaker 10 (01:28:56):
Anything over a meeting, anything over that one meet it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
Okay, So then in order to take the next step,
I need to have plans drawn, and I presume those
plans need to be of a similar level of detail
as a set of building consent drawings, because you've got
to prove compliance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 10 (01:29:16):
That's well, there's first off, you can do a primary
set of plans, but you need a license. You would
need a license design qualified designer, so design LPB Architecture engineer,
because you need to notify the council before you start
the job and at completion. But the first start is
just getting a primarily set of drawings together, and these

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designers are be able to help you with that because
when this will confirm whether your site is suitable really
and what.

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
Yeah, So that first approach to council might be an
existing site plan showing the boundaries, showing the location of
the existing dwelling and the proposed location of the new dwelling.
You'd take that to council first, they'd go yep, that works.
Then you need to then go ahead and get full
working drawings done for a building.

Speaker 10 (01:30:08):
Because yes, yeah, that's right. You're working in drawings and
that that would be need to be handed over at
the completion of the job. But the full working drawings
will be needed what the builders will need to build
the build.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
The So then in terms of who can build it,
it's an LBP, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:30:25):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:30:26):
Right licensed building you Yeah, definitely. You've got to surround
yourself with the right people. This is not for the
faint hearted.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Okay, actually sorry, this might be a tricky question and
we hadn't discussed it before. You know how, there's if
you do a build for yourself, you can get a
home builder exemption from having to be an LBP for
a build. Can a homeowner apply for the same exemption
in order to build a granny flat?

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
I don't know the answer to that one. Yeah, Unfortunately, normally,
when I'm at work on a Monday, experts around that
would be able to come back to you an answer,
But I might imagine be safer to talk to counsel.

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
My feeling is that you probably can't because I think
in this instance they if you're not going to have
a building consent therefore no building inspections, then you want
to have that check and balance that it's going to
be an LVP. What about the other trades people that
are involved. They all need to be licensed in their
own fields too, don't they.

Speaker 10 (01:31:32):
Yes, everybody. It's basically the only difference is that, yeah,
you're not going through that consent process. So everything needs
to be built to the building code. All the qualified
people have to have the correct licenses.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
What about the practical stuff like waste water, storm water
and so on? How do I know that that's done correctly?

Speaker 10 (01:31:55):
And yeah, that will be reliant on the right people.
But yeah, it must be a licensed plumber or a
droin layer. You cannot do this work yourself, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
And that detail needs to be included in the plan
that's put forward to council. The way in which you
put it to council. It's a project information memorandum.

Speaker 10 (01:32:15):
That's right. Yes, I should have mentioned that before, right,
we call it short for a PIM. Yes, yeah, but
that's exactly right, and that that that will be so
that information will come back from the council about that.
And although the Council play a very limited role in this,
one thing would be the approval for that connection, because

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if there isn't if you don't have the If you
don't have the the the council council supply or wastewater
system available, you can do one on site and this
will be exempt. But you yeah, as I said, this
is one of the ones that would need to be

(01:32:57):
kind of approved of council or what's happening there if
it's sufficient.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
I guess the way to look at the council role
in this, like typically when we're thinking building with thinking
building consents, building inspectors, council being sort of well, they
are the inspector, right, they're going to tell you whether
it's code compliant, et cetera, et cetera. Without if we're
building without it, it's it's seeing council as a record

(01:33:21):
keeper rather than a regulator, right.

Speaker 10 (01:33:26):
That's that's absolutely right. Yes, So they're definitely more there
keeping the records so that you know when it comes
time for insurances and if you want to sell, we
have a decent record. And that's a really good thing.
I think that should be done on all exempt work,
to be honest, as keeping that information with counsel. Yeah,
just bearing in mind that you know, the having building

(01:33:49):
under an exemption does come with a lot more risk
there's a trade off between the costs and the speed,
but there is a risk and it won't be right
for every every person, so you can still you may
prefer to go down to consent pathway. Still that's still
always an option. But my advice would be taking lots
and lots of photos throughout the build, similar to something

(01:34:11):
like we would have, you know, a brand's app for
consented works, which just take photos against a checklist. Doing
that same kind of thing to keep really good records
at key stages would be one of my biggest recommendations.

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
Because when the build is done, so you've had the
LBP do the construction work, You've had an LBP do
the roofing, You've you've done the you know, the electrical
works being signed off by the electrician, you've got a
co C for that. You've you've had the drain layer
do the work and they're well, they're going to be

(01:34:43):
able to self certify soon. So you compile all of that.
Do you have to then go back to counsel and go,
my project's finished, here's the information. What's the way of
wrapping this up?

Speaker 10 (01:34:54):
Yeah? So, yeah, that's exactly right. So on completion of
your build, you would submit all the HOMO would need
to collect all this information, and then you would submit
all the request documentation to counsel within twenty working days
of completion. So yeah, all record work specific works. Yes, yes,

(01:35:15):
so it's quite quick, but we don't want it to
delay and not get there. We need that information in there.
That's you know, it's all about keeping those records.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
We need to take a break into this moment. This
is a great text question. Someone's just said, look what
about fully completed modular off site units that are delivered
and installed. I guess the advantage to those is the
manufacturer keeps all of those records during their construction and
essentially hands the homeowner a pack saying this is how

(01:35:48):
we built it, this is how it complies with the code.
And so you don't have to build on site.

Speaker 10 (01:35:56):
No, no, absolutely not, no, you do not in You're right,
that would be in some situations and easier. Yeah, you've
got all that stuff there, it's easy to pass on.
But yeah, that would be a good.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Solution to Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Absolutely. Actually, another tricky question that's come through, what about
as if you're wanting to build one on a cross
lease section.

Speaker 10 (01:36:23):
All that's that year and you've stumped me on that one.
There is definitely requirements and there on a cross lease,
so that would definitely come down to the resource management
and things like that. So yeah, as I said, you know,
you've got to do your homework. The guidance is there,
but off the top of my head, I just don't
have it. Sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
Yeah, okay, No, we're gonna take a short break. We'll
come back with Phil. We'll just try and try and
encapsulate all of this as well. But the guidance is
really good to have a look at, and Fell mentioned
you can find it online. It's BU seven o four
Small Buildings exempt from consents issued by brands. Fill from
brands is with us. We'll take short break, be back
in just a moment.

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neat bow around it because I think the way in which,
in part for the way it's been presented has been
you can build these standalone dwellings, small standalone dwellings, as
if there was no rules. But the reality is there's
still a whole bunch of regulation that goes along with it.
That's what I've found.

Speaker 10 (01:38:42):
Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so I'm yeah, it still needs
to meet the building code. Even though it's exempt, it
needs to meet the building code. And this is a
different exemption than the other exemption. There is a lot
more requirements and things in this that you know that
records will work and things like that. That is a
new one that needs to be done. So main things

(01:39:06):
for me is you know, keeping those records that make
sure you're using the right people. Yes, The big key
ones for me is yeah, and you may could use
someone for an intermit party to check on the quality
and things like that, but yeah, keeping those records at
key stages.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
And then who keeps those records? So, for example, if
I get a record works from the LBP for the
framing and another one for the roofing, and maybe I
do some waterproofing and I get someone to give me
a PS three for that, and then I get my
electrical safety certificate and I get my drainage certificate and
those sorts of things. Is it expected that everyone hands

(01:39:45):
that to council or does the homeowner hold onto them.

Speaker 10 (01:39:49):
The homeowner will collect it and he will they wait, sorry,
they will pass it on to the homeowner will be
supplied one. But then also the council, so both both
parties will need to have one of those forms, a
prescribed form. So look on the council. It's the information
that they have about this is fantastic as well, and
it really talks you through each process which ones you

(01:40:10):
need to pass. And as I said, that official guidance
about the step by step shows you when to collect
it and things like that, because at different stages they
are going to come in. So yeah, you just read
to make sure that that does get passed on to
the council who will be the ficial record keeper. But
you also want to keep those records yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, do you get a sense of
how many applications you think might come through? Like, are
you getting a sense that this is going to be
like the estimate is that about thirteen thousand of these
might be built over the next ten years.

Speaker 10 (01:40:49):
Just as a rough guy, yeah, yeah, I don't know
how Yeah to me, honestly, I'm also in the same
boat that I just do not have enough land to
be able to do it. It would be. Yeah, it's
just so that would be the big restricting space and
also the the cost saving to risk. How many people
are willing to take on the extra risk and you

(01:41:11):
may just pervert go it under consenting path, which is
always that option.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
I think that's something that people really need to weigh up,
isn't it that? Yes, I might save on consent fees,
and I might save on time because I'm not having
to wait for that to be processed by the BCA,
But then I'm taking on risk and am I prepared
to do that? Here's another quick and I think we've

(01:41:36):
covered this off just the last text that's coming, because
a number of people have said, oh good, can I
use this legislation to convert my garage into a granny flat?
It's quite clear this is for new builds only, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:41:51):
Absolutely, this is definitely only only new builds. And yeah,
you would need that separation of two meters away from
the main dwellings, so yeah, and other other buildings, so yes,
So that would no addition or alteration. Must be new, right, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
Got to be brand new. But but it doesn't necessarily
need to be built on site. It can be off site.
And delivered to site. That's fine, and in fact, I
actually think that that's quite a good way to get
your compliance because people are making these in factories tend
to have better record keeping and they've got systems in place.
You know, if you're doing the same thing over and
over again, you've got your systems in place. And I

(01:42:27):
think there's a huge advantage to the off site manufacture
part of it.

Speaker 10 (01:42:32):
I would agree to. Yes, that would be that there
is a very good pathway with that. I'm saying that
there's plenty of good builders there and tradesmen and draftsmen's
out there that can do this. Not a problem. But
there's also if you're in doubt, just get advice.

Speaker 7 (01:42:46):
Yeah, that would be best.

Speaker 10 (01:42:48):
If in doubt, get advice.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
Absolutely, Hey, really appreciate your time this morning. Fill and again.
This bulletin is b U seven four and it's available.
I found it within a couple of seconds online. You
can download the PDF once you're in that portal. Of course,
there's all the other bulletins with all the other helpful
advice as well. And quite a remarkable moment, the last

(01:43:13):
brand's printed magazine has just gone out, So from here
on in the Brands Magazine is going to be online only,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 10 (01:43:23):
So we're just in the process of getting a new
website coming up with. Yeah, so this is going to
be a fantastic thing for us and have all these
historic build on there and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
Myself, I've used.

Speaker 10 (01:43:37):
The build Right publications all throughout my career.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Ditto, ditto. Hey, you really appreciate your time this morning.
Felt much appreciated. Have a great day. Take care your
new stalks. He'd be so Phil mcnaara from Brands And
actually quite an interesting thing. If you like me, you
build a a I've got into the habit of every
couple of months or whenever it does, the Brands magazine

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It's digital only from here on and so, but all
of the guidance, all of the information. You know, if
you're looking for an independent source of really top quality
information about building and building compliance, go and check out
the basically the brand's library online radio so BU as

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