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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks d B helping you finish that
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wolf Camp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi
building today. Call Oh eight hundred eighty eighty youth talk said.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
A house sizzle even when it's dug, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when a
dog is too old to bar and we're sitting at
the table trying not to starve.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Sissor home even when we are benn even when you're there, houses.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Along, even when those go, even when you got around
from the ones you love your most scream.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Does broken paints feel in.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Front of the locals, whisper when they're going and leaving the.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
House, even when wilburn, even when you're in there alone.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Let's crack into it. A very good morning to you.
Welcome along to the Resident Builder on Sunday. A whistle
but apprehensive coming in here after an all blacks test.
You kind of go if it's a win, which it was,
and by the sounds of a pretty good win as well.
The people are bound to be a little bit chipper.
Let's not talk about what it'd be like if it wasn't,
but either way, it was a win. So that's a

(02:13):
nice way to start the day. And hopefully we can
continue that sense of progress and achievement of setting a task,
delivering on the task, and then celebrating your successes. So
if you've got a project that you've started that perhaps
is going quite well and there is that tremendous sense
of achievement, I think, and this is you know, people,

(02:34):
I don't know if you do a sort of psychological
profile of what is it about working with your hands,
working with some tools, having envisaging a task, then being
able to set out to undertake that task, and then
have that quiet satisfaction hopefully at the end of having
said I made that, or I completed that, or I

(02:56):
fixed that. And I was in the workshop yesterday actually
kind of just before six o'clock, thinking, oh, I've got
to pop inside and watch the news, because I'm of
that vintage where I still think you have to be
inside at six o'clock in order to watch the news. Anyway,
it was about quarters six. I was just thinking, oh,
I can just finish gluing and clamping up this little

(03:17):
task which was sort of not something that I expected
to do yesterday, but it was kind of like I
had an idea during the week of making like a
folding panel in front of some storage. I'd done some
other more productive jobs yesterday and then it was like, ah,
I just want to make that, and so found a
piece of ply would ran it through the table, saw,
figured out the sizes, fossicked around at the back of

(03:39):
the shed, found some hinges that will be suitable. Cut
the board down, wanted to stiffen it up, so ripped
another piece, glued that to the back of it. Had
that clamped up along with a little box that I
had made. Hopefully that's going to work too, to put
an oil stone in. And that was next to the
plint that i'd just finished painting. And that was after

(04:00):
I figured out that I could finally fix the water leck.
So I don't know if you follow me on socials,
it was the classic Friday afternoon situation. I was heading out,
had a look at the glanced at the water meter
or the water meter box the toby and thought that's
not a good sign that there's quite a lot of

(04:22):
water right there. Hasn't really rained for a few days.
Really shouldn't be a great big pool of water right
next to the water meter. And so further investigation a
little bit later on the day discovered that there was
quite a lot of water inside, and once I'd bailed
that out with a little yogurt container, discovered that there

(04:43):
was quite a lot of water coming out. And once
I'd finally bailed all of that out, found that this
in fact the fitting that attaches. Because you're with water
meter things, you always go if it's on my side,
it's my problem, I from the meter itself. If it's
on the other side, well I'm ringing water care. In
the Auckland situation, it wasn't. It was on my side,

(05:04):
So it was like we got get onto that, and
of course these things always happen on a Friday afternoon. Anyway,
got sorted sorted out a few other bits and pieces yesterday.
But it's that going back to the little projects that
I was doing yesterday, going into the workshop, in my case,
a little bit touch up painting, did some work on
another little project, made something because that was part of

(05:26):
an ongoing project as well to I've become fixated about
sharpening my tools and restoring my tools moment that's a
whole other story, and then made that panel and then
went right, that's good. All my workbenches covered in projects,
everything's clamped up. I can't do anything. Time to knock off.
But there was that, just that brief moment where you go, actually,
really nice to spend some time in the workshop. Started

(05:50):
a task, got most of it done. I can pop
back in there today, finished the last of it, and
it's a job done, something that you wanted to start,
sort of do a little bit of planning, undertake it,
finish it, and at the end of it you go
kind of please that I made that. So tell me
about your projects now. They might be considerably larger in scale.

(06:10):
They might well be projects that you start and then
to be blunt. The wheels fall off halfway through, and
it's picking it up and getting it moving forward again. So,
if you've got a project or a task, or an
undertaking or renovation or an alteration or some maintenance to do,
or perhaps you're even thinking about a new build, I'm
still thinking quite a lot about a couple of conversations

(06:33):
we had last week on the show around people looking
to find better ways to build. We can come back
and have a bit of a conversation about that, and certainly,
actually I took the time this week to tune into
a podcast A sorry. It was a live seminar presented
by an expert essentially in cladding systems around how we

(06:56):
treat roofs and roof spaces. And if you look back
at a conversation we had a couple of weeks ago
about someone who discovered that they had quite a lot
of sensation in the underside or on the underside of
roofing underlay in their roof. That apparently is not an
uncommon problem in New Zealand houses, and essentially it's not

(07:17):
it's not actually a failure in the sense that the
house is leaking. It's a failure in the sense that
we haven't taken any consideration of how moisture operates within
our dwellings. So we can talk about that, we can
talk about basically, it's up to you anything that you
would like to discuss of a building nature, whether it's
new products, new ideas, new techniques. Maybe you're talking about

(07:39):
your relationship with contractors. Maybe you're thinking about a project
coming up and you would like to discuss some of
the options around better performance better ideas. We had to
look at some houses this week and they were a
new build and I was like, hey, look, one of
the things that I'm doing is if I'm putting in fans,
now I'm going for the constant flow humidity sensing ones

(08:02):
rather than just the conventional extractor. Extractor is good, but
there is something better. And so there's that good, better,
best approach that you can take as well. Yeah we
can do good, but maybe we can do better, and
maybe actually there's even the best solution. So what are
you aiming for? What would you like to pitch towards
in terms of your own work on your own property. Well,

(08:24):
maybe you're doing a project and you just want to
share how you're getting on. Happy to chat with you
about that. This morning on the program, We've got our
old mate Jay Sharples from Razine. Happened to bump into
him when I was in I've told you about this
and he wants to talk about it today. Going into
try and figure out what color I used on the
architraves in my own house again. Ten years ago, I

(08:47):
wrote down absolutely everything. I had a notebook. I've still
got the notebook. I could find the notebook somewhere along
the line along with writing down every color that we sampled,
every color that we went to look to friend's house
to go. I think that's a really good color. I'll
write that down. What I didn't write down in my
book was the color of the architrave. So ended up

(09:07):
taking a door off to take into the Razine Color
Shop to chat with Jay, chat with Marcus, and then
get them basically to figure out what color it was,
which was a little painting job that I finished off
yesterday as well. So we're going to be talking with
Jay at about seven twenty. If you've got any specific
painting questions, you can fire those through on the text.

(09:29):
That's nine two nine two. But right now you can
call me. I've talked for long enough. It's now your opportunity.
You can call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can text,
of course, if you'd like to do that. It's nine
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(09:50):
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Speaker 1 (09:56):
Eighty where DIY gets unstuck Call Oh eight hundred eighteen
ten eighty The resident Builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent
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Speaker 5 (10:10):
He O, we're off to a flying start, full board
a call. So that's awesome. We'll crack into it, Tony.
Good morning to you, sir.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
What are you?

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah? Very well, what's up?

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (10:22):
We bought a house and obviously the owners must have
had a leak around the elementarum window with that expanding
phones and it's on the get.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
Rid of it.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, I'll tell you what most companies like, for example, SUDL,
s O U D a L do expanding phones and
knowing that every now and then there's a muppet who
puts too much, and they do have removers. So if
you just do a quick Google search s O U
D A L and then remover, they'll have a solvent

(10:58):
that will help dissolve it and clean it up.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
Even if it's like I think it's about three or
four years old.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, no, it'll probably have reasonable chance of getting it off.
And look if it's if for some reason it's damaged,
the paintwork. You could always go to someone like Nano
Clear and get them to you know, resurface it, and
they could they could repair it, but at that point

(11:25):
I'd probably be thinking about doing an insurance claim. And
then the last thing with that is that if someone
has got a leak around a window and they think
that filling it full of foam is going to fix it,
it won't. So if it's leaking and that was their solution,
it just won't work. So you might have to get
someone to have a look at why it's leaking. You

(11:46):
won't solve it with foam.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
All right, sounds good, so good?

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Thanks, take care, take care there, Richard. Good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
Oh, good morning, Peter.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Who are you very well?

Speaker 10 (11:59):
Quick question. We've got a house built early nineties which
we're about to sell. Its two stores. We've got an
L shaped staircase. Take us up to the first floor.
The height of that first floor is about fourteen hundred mil.
But there's no handrail. Do we need to have one
fitted now? Or under the building code? Or houses built

(12:23):
earlier exempt?

Speaker 5 (12:25):
It's not that they are exempt, it's just if you
have a look at your limb right, your land formation
memorandum any building consent, because if it's nineteen nineties, like
if the house is nineteen ninety two onwards, then that's
roughly the time that we shifted from the previous Building
Act to the current Building Act. And that's also when

(12:48):
we shifted from building permits to building consents. So if
there is a there should be a building consent attached
to the limb, if that building consent has a CCC
that's been issued for it. So if you look through
the limb and all of the building consents recorded on
the property file have got a CCC, then no, essentially,

(13:11):
no one's going to say to you, hey, that work
is noncompliant because there's no well it's not like there's
no evidence of it. We all know that it needs
to be there. The question is if it's not there,
is it there because of building consent didn't get signed
off and you don't have a CCC for it because
you never had a final inspection, or is it not

(13:33):
there because it wasn't required at the time, in which
case anyone buying the house it's up to them to
sort it out right. So yes, But in terms of
I think where you're thinking is is I've got the
situation where the fall is greater than a meter because
it's fourteen hundred. Therefore, in accordance with the current building code,

(13:54):
you have to have a barrier to prevent fall. That
barrier needs to be If it's interior, it's nine hundred.
If it's exterior, it's a meter. And if you don't
have one there, someone might say or potentially, let's say
you get a pre purchased inspection done. Any pre purchase
inspector worth their salt would pick up the fact that

(14:14):
there's not one there and might recommend that somebody install one,
But you know, in terms of counsel coming and telling
you to do it, unlikely.

Speaker 10 (14:25):
Okay, all right, thank you. Then maybe a toss up
between that or is of having people raising it as
an issue every time they come to inspect the place.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's right, and you know, so if it's relatively simple
to do, you could have someone install a handrail or
a barrier there and then you just know that no
one's going to pack it up during a pre purchase inspection. Right, Okay,
I hope that helps. Good luck with the sale. That's

(14:56):
all the very best take care. We could start to
coming up a little bit on the housing market. It
feels like there's just a little little bit of movement,
which is not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Twenty four minutes after six and a very good morning
to you, Anthony.

Speaker 11 (15:11):
Yes, good mining. We are looking to buy this new
built townhouse. And I gotta I think I've got a
bit of a problem with the way they shower cubicle
or shower fittings are done. You have normally you walk
into the shower and you've got your fittings on the

(15:33):
left or right inside.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (15:35):
Now this this particular cubicle is you open the door
and on the opposite side of that is your slide
and the shower.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (15:47):
So when you turn it on because I shouldn't have yeah,
and then the water hits the glass door. Yes, And
because you're now on the glass door where the hinges.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Are, yeah, there's always a yep and the water.

Speaker 11 (16:03):
Actually runs right out and goes onto the is legal
to have a setup? Does that comply with the code
to have a setup that way?

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Actually, that's a really really good question. I don't know
that there's anything in the building code that would say
you can't have let's say, the shower outlet, the nozzle
directly opposite the door. But I guess if you're an
experienced builder or plumber or developer, you'd go, hey, look,

(16:35):
we know that if you're going to direct a stream
of water directly at the door, there's greater chance that
it's going to seep out and it's just going to
become a nuisance thing. Right Whereas I'm trying to think
of whether I've actually ever encountered is it a three

(16:57):
sided shower or just a two sided one.

Speaker 11 (17:00):
No, it's in the corner, so it's got to gloss
on one side, then the glass door on the other.
But I worked in on my life, I've never ever,
I've never ever seen one of those like that.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
No, to be fair, I'm trying to think whether in
all of the houses that I've ever been in, whether
I've ever encountered one where if you've got the opening
side that you you step straight in and see the shower.
So actually just on that, not that it matters, but
where is the control, where's the lever or the nozzle

(17:31):
of the everything?

Speaker 11 (17:33):
Everything is on the same wall opposite, so you have to.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Reach in into the shower enclosure to turn the tap
on or to open the lever. Right, which means that
you're gonna get wet straight away.

Speaker 11 (17:45):
Yes, jeepers, Oh it's ending so crazy man.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
No, that that's I don't know whether it would be
not code compliant, but it is the sort of thing
that you know, maybe the designer, maybe the plumber, maybe
the developer, who knows, somebody just hasn't thought about it right,
and maybe they've just gone, look, that's the easiest place

(18:12):
to put it, or I can't be bothered packing out
the other wall, or I can't get to it, or
whatever the excuses. But that would be the sort of
thing that would annoy you every single time you went
into the shower, because every single time you're going to
get your arm wet turning the shower on.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (18:26):
But so the other thing is the shower that was itself.
You know how normally you can adjust the angle on it.
Some of them have quite a bit of adjustment, some
don't have so much. But this thing, it's hardly got
anybody adjustment. You can only probably change it by probably
ten fifteen degrees, right, So.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
You can't try and direct it straight down as well,
and then of.

Speaker 11 (18:46):
Course because it just doesn't.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
And it would be annoying too. Because you think, okay, well,
in order to fix it, you know, I'd have to
remove the shower door and the glass. I'd have to
pull the lining off the wall, and then i'd have
to get the plumber and to move everything across the side,
and then i'd have to replace the lining because I
can't use the old one. It's it's like a four

(19:14):
or five thousand dollars fix. If you really wanted to fix.

Speaker 11 (19:17):
It, you probably were more than that. I think, Yeah,
I think the only solution that I went to the
Bartom Center here any stomach, and I've spoke spoken to
them about it. Yeah, And what they're suggesting is to
they've got like a separate mound that you can put
on a side wall.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Yes, yes, with you.

Speaker 11 (19:38):
You know that what I'm talking about, and you can
put you through, you can put your hang, you the
fift things where they are, but you can still put
you hang your showers onto it.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah. And look, that would be a simple solution, wouldn't it.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
You know?

Speaker 5 (19:50):
I mean, I know it's a bit odd because you'd
look at it and go, well, hang on, I've got
the rail there and I've got the shower roads hanging
independently on at ninety degrees. But it would save a
great deal of frustration. And I guess it's one of
those things. If everything else about the house is actually
quite a track, then you'd go, Okay, well, you know,
maybe in a couple of years time, I'll fix it

(20:10):
more permanently. But that would give you a straightforward solution
to it.

Speaker 11 (20:14):
It's a train because they I mean they've done absolutely
fantastic job and fitting all the bloody extensive fittings and
you know, there's nothing cheap about it. But some of
these made it. But the worst part is there's a
six six houses in the block. Yes, and everyone has
done the same way.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Cheepers man. And you know in a halfway experienced plumber,
you know, would would rock up to the job. Maybe
ah with the yeah, well the plumber will be doing
the ah. Is it possible that the plumber when they
did the fit off, didn't know which way the shower

(20:55):
tray would be orientated and where the door would go,
although it would be fairly right.

Speaker 11 (21:00):
Now because there's a toilet. There's a toilet right next
to it, so that door can only be you on
one side.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, it's the sort of thing that you know, like
a reasonably. I'm sure if there's plumbers listening, they'd go, well, look,
I would have just told the project manager or the
architect or whoever's involved in the design, Hey, you know
this is going to be a real pain for people.
Why don't we flip it to the other side. Unless
they did raise that issue and we're told look, just
mind your own business, which happens as well. Hey, good

(21:31):
luck with it. I think you're probably onto it. In
terms of the solution, just put another fastener on the wall,
fixing the air that you can hang it on to.

Speaker 11 (21:39):
But there's nothing much else while.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
You Thanks for that, mate, But and the other thing.
Just to answer your first question, would it be compliant?
I presume that if you're looking at a new build,
it's got its code of compliance for the building consent.

Speaker 11 (21:56):
It does. It does, but you never know.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, I know, I know. Maybe it's something a plumbing
inspector or the building inspected and pick up. But I'm
you know, they should come in and that they should
grab the hose and run it down the junction between
the lining and the shower glass to make sure that
the ceilant's there. They'll test the temperature and you're right,
it's annoying if that you end up with water all

(22:19):
over the floor. Hey, good luck with it all, buddy,
all the best, Thanks Anthony, take care. I was going
to very gently ask how he feelt about the rugby,
because I figured by his accent he might have been
supporting yellow and Green, but I decided not to go there.
It is six thirty one at News TALKSB. We can
take short break. We'll talk to Tracy after the break.

(22:41):
If you've got a question, you should call us right now. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
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Speaker 5 (22:57):
News TALKSB a couple of quick texts. So one in response,
I think to Anthony's issue there with just the poor
layout inside the shapur enclosure, Pete put a rain head
on it with a diverter to the shower wand use
the rain head when turning it on when you're inside.
Swap to the wand I'm not sure if that's I
presume when you say rainhead that's one of those ones

(23:19):
that pops out of the ceiling, great big circular thing.
I always call them just a dumper because that you're
still going to get soaking. Well, I suppose it doesn't
direct the water directly onto the door, which is good,
but I don't know. I've found those things, particularly when
they're the only option, is do you really want to
be in a shower where you're just constantly having the water.

(23:40):
I've always thought they were the stupidest thing in the world,
to be fair. I know they look awesome and they
are in all the bougie bathrooms and all the rest
of it, but I've just always thought, just if they're
the only option, they're just a piece of nonsense personally.
But anyway, that's just me being practical. But thank you
very much for your text. A couple of comments about

(24:03):
the South Africa game. Someone taking you to task for
using the wood, Jesus is where I don't think I did.
I want to said, geez, But that's that's quite different too, Jesus.
And actually there's there's one about bricks. We'll come back
to that in just a moment if you feel like
sending a text to your brother welcome, of course. It
is nine two ninety two is z B z B.

(24:23):
But you can call right now because we'll have a
spear line soon. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call Tracy. Good morning to you morning.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
How are you very well?

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yourself?

Speaker 12 (24:35):
Pretty good? Actually this call is being recorded.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh goody.

Speaker 12 (24:40):
I'm in a bangle Aura house yep. And there was
no shed. But I don't buy presents. I make them.
I recycle a little bit of remound things, making shells
and cupboards and whatever. And myself my son built a
palette shed on the side of the house. Nothing is
joined to the house. It's really tidy. It's all got

(25:03):
brand new iron on the outside in timber at the
bottom of the council came around and it has passed
the old law. Let it one our new law, which
was safe. But playing or a demanding I'd pull it down.
And I thought that with tenancies now, you're allowed to

(25:24):
build something as long as you can put it back
to how it was, which I can. But it turns
out its balls down to them.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Can I be blunt and go? Is your tenancy, your
occupation of a ko house the same as someone who
might occupy a private rental and have a residential tenancy
agreement with a private landlord, I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
So.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
I wonder whether there are different terms and conditions to
the occupancy and use of a kind of order house
as opposed to a residential tendency one where and potentially
you know when you say that, like if you were
in a situation where you were renting in the private sector,

(26:23):
if a landlord, you could approach a landlord and say,
can I undertake this and with the provision that when
we leave will return it to how it was before.
But that's by negotiation, right, it's not as of right.
So things like that are still negotiated. And in this

(26:43):
instance here, if the property manager for KO has said, hey, look,
we would prefer that you don't have a shed outside,
then if I'm really honest, I'd say that's that's that's
Kao's prerogative.

Speaker 12 (27:02):
Right, Because I saw a documents a few years ago
about a young guy in Wellington. I think it was
a room inside a room right being checked out over it,
but it was actually legal because something was joined on
and he was able to put the room back to
how it was.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Again, if that's within for a private landlord, I'd be
very surprised that a private landlord. Well, if they gave
permission for it and said, yeah, look, if you need
to create I don't know, an office inside a bedroom
and you undertake a guarantee that you're going to reinstate

(27:44):
it as it was when you leave the property, then
again that's all up for negotiation. I'm just not sure.
It's a very interesting question, and I'll do a little
bit of reading and research around it, but I don't
know that your occupancy of the house is covered by
the Residential Tendency Act. And one of the reasons I
say that is there was a period of time when

(28:08):
private landlords were expected to comply with the healthy home standards, right,
so there was a series of deadlines now kind of
order houses were exempt from that. They didn't need to
comply until much later. Now they all do need to
comply now, but at one stage they didn't. So I
just wonder whether there is actually a it's a different

(28:33):
arrangement that you.

Speaker 12 (28:34):
Have that would be on my tenancy agreement.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
But do you actually have a tenancy agreement as in
a residential tenancy agreement, or do you have a contract
with KO that allows you to occupy the house.

Speaker 12 (28:48):
Well, I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same as a
normal tenancy agreement.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
And look what it is. But even if it was,
then I would expect that you would go to the
property managers first and go, hey, look, you know we're here,
were good tea, You know that we're good tenants, but
we really need to have a little bit of storage.
Can I put a shed outside rather than doing it?
And did you ask permission?

Speaker 12 (29:17):
Well, what happened was online to about the charge property
person since I've seen here in nearly three years, and
the first person said I could, But it turns out
I should have had everything in writing.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yep, probably I have. Yeah, And again that's you know,
it's probably not unreasonable. They want to have a paper trail.
But then if someone, if one of the KO managers
said look, you've got to have it in writing, surely
they would have sent you either the form or a
link or something like that and help you get that underway. Look,

(29:53):
I understand the practicality of it, but I think depending
on the terms and conditions of your arrangement with KO
to occupy the property, if it states that you had
to get permission and you didn't, then they have a
right to say you've got to remove it.

Speaker 12 (30:11):
It's benefits within the by law and all that.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, because you're not operating under the other terms and
conditions you're under. It's a it's a particular relationship that
you essentially have with KO that's not part of the
tendency agreement. I'm going to do some reading on it.
That raises a really interesting question. So good luck with
that works out for you. Oh eight hundred and eighty

(30:36):
ten eighty the under the call and James, a very
good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh, good morning, James.

Speaker 13 (30:44):
I'm just wondering just if you're to have in the
back out and your bit just put up a shed
and the foundation just a foundation, no matter what, say
like three by three, does they have to have a
footing like death bit down or kenn to sit on there?

(31:07):
And what diameter do you have to have until you
have to have a footing? Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (31:14):
It does? So you know, like a three by three,
so nine square meters that's underneath a ten square meter limit,
which means that you can actually put it up right
up against the fence and.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Concrete.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
I mean it wouldn't. I don't know that the legislation
goes into any depth around whether or not if it's
a timber floor suspended timber floor versus a concrete floor
on grade. I don't think that actually gets picked up
in the legislation. It's just if it's a garden shed
and it's under ten square meters, it can now be

(31:50):
built against the fence, where to be honest, ninety percent
of garden sheds end up anyway because that whole height
of the building away from the boundary, which was the
old planning rules. Very few people complied with that, right,
and so I think it was one of David Seymour's
little publicity stunts where he went, hey, look, hey, here's

(32:13):
great news. We're going to allow you to do what
you've already been doing anyway. But if it's a slab,
and look if it's if it's a garden shed that
you're putting bicycles, motor mors and hand tools in, I'd
be inclined to do, you know, get rid of the
top soil, make sure that you've got a reasonably firm base,
even if you don't excavate all the way down to

(32:34):
clay some compacted hardfill. Look, if you went for one
hundred and twenty mili slab with let's sace a little
bit of mesh in it, that's going to be more
than strong enough. Perfect, great, Seriously, even one hundred mill
slab I did one years ago a patio, and I

(32:56):
think it was maybe seventy five mil thick, but it
was well compacted. It was on well compacted material on
solid ground, and I did put some mesh in it,
and I did put a cut in it because it
was reasonably large. But I've had no cracking in that
in twenty years. So yeah, one hundred milis slab butt
a mesh job done.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Awesome, awesome, but.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Sorry so.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
To say that I've got the curve and I have
to do in timber, yep? Do I have to.

Speaker 14 (33:33):
Like drill a hole, you know on the corners and
make a hole and then put a concrete down and
then for a post up to get to get to
the level of the ground, you know what I mean,
and then make a timber.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
If if the ground is falling, like if you've got
you know, if there's some fall across the section, and
obviously you want the floor to be leveled, then yes,
I would go through dig some piles and do some concrete.
I mean, there is an alternative where you can go scoop,
but whether or not it's it's a good alternative because

(34:12):
there's no digging and they'll just turn up, put their
screw piles in, finish them dead level, and you just
put your bearers on and build off there. But it
may not be cost effective to have professionals come in
and do that. So in which case you're going to
dig some piles before you start laying out your bearers
or joists, I would put a bit of DPC down,

(34:32):
some polythene down on the ground to stop that moisture
coming out of there, and then build your timber floor
on there and go up from there. So that is
I mean for practicality. If it was flat, I would
do a concrete slab, even if it's relatively thin. But
if it's sloping and by the time you box it

(34:53):
up and you have to box up a corner or
put some blocks in or something like that, then I'd
go for timber.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
All right, thank you all the best. Sounds like great project.
Take care. I would make one comment though, and this
was one of the things when they did make quite
a song and dance about the fact that you can
put garden sheds up against the boundary is it's going
to create a problem. And the problem is you if
you do jam it hard up against the fence, how
are you ever going to get in there to maintain

(35:21):
the cladding. So, yes, it's making use of more space.
But if in a couple of years you needed to
get in there to paint it, if you've done weatherboards
for some reason, or you needed to get in there
to repair a flashing or to get rid of debris
and all the rest of it, you've set up a
situation where you've made something non maintainable. You just can't

(35:43):
get in there. So you know, although you can do it,
I actually think it's a little bit foolish if you
actually jammed it hard up against defence and couldn't get
back in there, because you're just making problems for yourself.
Twelve minutes away from seven, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
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(36:04):
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Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Speaker 5 (36:21):
We've got a couple of minutes. If you've got a
question to ask, Now's a really good time to call.
We've got enough time before we go to the break
to slide in one more question there. So, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? A
couple of quick texts that have come in as well.
Hey Pete, please help with the problem that I found
myself with a steel framed rental. My wonderful long term

(36:44):
tenants give notice. In following the final inspection yesterday, I
noticed severe shadowing on the walls and ceilings in every
room throughout the house. The dark marks are exactly the
pattern of the steel structures, bracing, et cetera. I did
not notice there are any marks on the last inspections,
only that the house is empty that these marks are evident.
Have you ever heard of the situation at this stage,

(37:05):
it's a total rep but I'm hesitant to do this
until I know the cause. The house was built about
twelve years ago. Any opinion advice would be greatly appreciated.
I'm very shocked. I will forward some photos to you.
Thank you. Please do send photos through to my email
which is Pete ATNEWSTALKCB dot co dot nz. I think
what you're describing is something called ghosting. If you have

(37:29):
a look online, you'll find there's a number of articles
that are written about it. Essentially. I think in this
instance it's likely that there was very little consideration given
at the time of design or construction to the whole
issue around thermal bridging, which steel framing has some benefits,

(37:50):
but one of the challenges with it is obviously steel
is a very good conductor of energy, in which case
if they haven't made provision of how you deal with
that between the outside and the inside with some sort
of thermal break etc. Then you will get that bridging
and so essentially and you may well if there's a

(38:12):
bit of that ghosting, have some issues with moisture inside
the wall cavity as well. But forward through some photographs
and more than happy to take a quick look at those. Michael,
very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (38:24):
Hello Peace.

Speaker 9 (38:27):
I know it's not in your line of thing, but
my hot water just stug working. I thought you might
have run across it somewhere or what I could sort
of start looking for.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yep. One of the things with older hot water cylinders
sometimes is they have a ripple control on them, and
that was a thing where maybe they still have them,
I'm not sure, but where powerboards can essentially turn off
your hot water when they think they might be running
out of sufficient supply energy supply. So I would ring electrician,

(39:00):
probably in the first instance, and check whether it's the
ripple control to the hot water cylinder that might have
been triggered. If after that, often it's the thermostat might
have let go, might have might have come to the
end of its life, in which case the electrician will

(39:21):
need to come and replace the thermostat. And apart from
sort of a catastrophic collapse of the hot water cylinder itself,
it's it's going to be most likely one of those
two issues. I presume that it's an electric hot water cylinder,
not a gas one.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I was only an assumption, like
it had been. I had a sort of air lock
on it for a little while for a few days. Yeah,
but then and then on Friday it just but I
thought I would the it's got a gate valve to

(39:58):
let the water into the hot water. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, Yeah,
I get this blooming hop at the moment.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Plenty of that going around, mate.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
What would happen if somehow the gate velve got blocked?
Usually gate valves, you know, they last for years. This
is I was probably thirty years old, all right.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Every now and then, what the neath of valve that's
on the bottom sometimes will also let go, and that
might impact on it. There also should be a pressure overflow,
which if you're ever doing a sort of pre purchased inspection,
you should just lift the lever and make sure that
water comes out of the cylinder.

Speaker 9 (40:37):
But that's there is a pipe that goes out the side,
so I'm assuming that that's where it goes. Well, the
only thing that's going in there is where where the
main where the main water comes in. And then there's
a gate valve that cooks into the cylinder itself. Well,
usually there were usually if it's usually the cold water
that pushes the hot water out, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yes, So when you turn the tap on at the moment,
do you get any water coming out? When you've got
the hot tap.

Speaker 9 (41:04):
On No, I get one little.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Dribble, okay, then maybe it is a valve and then
it stops, and then it stops so there's no water
coming out. So it's not cold water. It's just no
water coming out. I think a phone call to a plumber,
and maybe it is the valve, but it may also
be both. It's hard to say, but I think phone

(41:27):
call to a plumber is the way to go. So
you always give Laser a call. Radio. We are back
straight after newsport.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And weather at seven, turning those into She'll be right
The Resident Builder with Peter wolfgam and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 5 (41:49):
B Rdio, Welcome back to the show. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Is the Is it a show or
is it a program? It's a very good question. Normally
I'd say program is a builder show. It's a little program.
I feel it gravity there's a bit more gravitas if
you call it a program as opposed to show. I
don't mind either way. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(42:11):
is the number to call if you've got a question
about building, about building products, about building methodologies, about building outcomes,
about building rules and regulations, of which there are many, many, many,
many many pages of them. I think the the well,
I'm not sure how many pages there is in three

(42:31):
six o four, it's got to be sort of two
hundred pages. I think the Building Act itself runs to
about three two hundred and thirty two pages last time
I flick through it, and there's there's probably untold other
legislation out there as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty, though,
is the number to call. That's short and simple. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty for your phone calls nine two

(42:54):
nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone if you'd
like to text through, and if you more than welcome
to email me as well, it's Pete at newstalksb dot
co dot nz. Just for the braak, I read out
a text from someone who has discovered that they have
what I would call ghosting, And there's quite a bit

(43:15):
of literature around that, which is where lines will appear
on the ceiling or on the walls in this instance,
and sometimes it's often because that's where there is a
thermal bridge. So thermal bridge is literally a bridge that
allows the transfer of heat or energy of heat or

(43:37):
cold through the wall. Because of the way in which
the insulation is well the building envelope is created might
allow energy transfer or heat transfer from inside to outside
and from inside to outside and outside to inside, depending
on the seasons. And of course that's a particular challenge

(43:58):
if you've got steel stud framing. I'm not at all
anti steel stud framing. It's just that it does pose
challenges in terms of how you manage that that thermal bridge.
And if it's not managed you'll see some ghosting and
someone else's taxed through and gone, hey, look read the ghosting.

(44:18):
My son built a new building. They mentioned the builder.
I'm not going to do that. In the main living room,
ghosting has appeared and it's up to the building company
to repair it. As you mentioned, it's the thermal protection
when being built. They should go back to the company.
It would be or would a good paint job help.
He lives an assie and has careful tenants. I thought
it may have come from when there was a fire.

(44:42):
From the fire. When the door opens, some smoke, No,
it won't be smoke. It's not. It looks like it
almost does look like smoke damage. It's probably quite a
good way of describing it, where you just get like
an ashy type surface on it. I don't see. I
don't know that there's anything that you could do in
terms of going back to the builder. If this is

(45:03):
a four year old building, the one that we're talking
about now, if it got a obviously had a building consent,
that building consent should have had its final inspection, a
CCC should have been issued for it, in which case
the building is code compliant. So that really lends weight
to an argument that is going on sort of in

(45:25):
building circles at the moment, is that buildings that are
currently code compliant are still failing. And if you've got ghosting,
I'd described that as a failure in the same way
that I've seen photographs of roof spaces, that space above
the ceiling lining where the trusses are, that space of

(45:49):
an eighteen month old house with black mold growing. It
looks like a mushroom farm up there. Now that's an
eighteen month old house with that's got to be considered
a failure. The building is actually code compliant, but it's
still failing. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
the number to call Now, Jay our painting expert is

(46:10):
going to be with us fairly shortly. Actually, I haven't
really plugged for the calls are the texts rather, but
if you have got a specific painting question, then text
it through to me right now on nine two nine two,
and Jay our painting expert from Razine will be with
us in the next ten to fifteen minutes. Stephen, good
morning to you.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
Good morning Peter.

Speaker 16 (46:32):
I've got a house built in the nineteen eighties with
dechromatic tiles and I'm planning to re roof and I'm
considering a long run color steel.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (46:46):
But I've had a couple of quotes.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
To re roof.

Speaker 16 (46:50):
But one roof has raised the issue of possibly needing
building consent have I changed from dechromatic tiles to long
run steel. Then he's cited the clause B one of
the news down in building code, which hasn't been raised
by other roofs. So I'm just wondering if you have

(47:12):
any ideas of building consent would be required for changing
from dechromatic tiles to long run steel.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
I can see what they're saying because like typically maintenance,
so there's another part of the Building Act, which is scheduled.
It's an in schedule one which sets out work that
can possibly be done without necessarily requiring a consent, right,
and so repairs and maintenance fall into that category. And
then you'd look at this and you'd go, Okay, it's

(47:46):
got a metal profile roof and I'm simply replacing it
with an other metal profile roof. Therefore, what we might
call like for like, could you do that work without
necessarily requiring a building consent. The only real difference between
it is that the way in which the dechromatic tiles
are fitted to the roof is typically there are forty

(48:09):
x twenty batten or a twober one rough soorm batten,
and then the dechromastic tiles are laid over that. Now,
I don't think that that's a suitable fixing for a
new long run iron roof. It should be minimum seventy
five y fifty perlins at a maximum span typically of
about nine hundred millimeters. Those perlins need to be fixed

(48:30):
down with a particular way of fixing them down, which
prevents uplift. So those are some structural issues that you
have to do in order to comply with the code.
Because you are then impacting on the structure of the building.
Does that trigger the requirement for a building consent? There

(48:50):
is a basically building performance website has within it a
little tool which is like a little flow chart, and
I think it's can I build it? Dot gov dot NZ.
You could use that tool to see whether that triggers
a requirement for a building consent. You could also have

(49:11):
a look at ring your local council and say this
is what I'm proposing to do, Ring the help desk
and say do I need a consent for this? And
they may say no, look, we're reasonably comfortable that you're
going to get an LBP roofer to do it, and
they will then, do you know, add the perlins, They'll

(49:33):
fix them down as required. It's a great opportunity to
have a look at how your insulation is laid out
on the inside that roof, you know, those difficult to
get to areas. Maybe even top the insulation up all
of those sorts of things and do that without necessarily
requiring a building consent. But I guess in an abundance

(49:53):
of caution, yes, you could go for a consent. The
challenge with that is is you need to get plans drawn,
you need to submit them to counsel, you need to
pay the council fe and it's one of those things
that you know. I think it's really good that your
roofing contractor has raised the issue around do we need

(50:15):
to get a building consent? If they're a licensed building practitioner,
they should also help guide you through do I actually
need one? But I think it's very professional of them
to raise the issue, which is good and the other thing.
And I'm saying this more and more to people who
are having roofing work done. Make sure you use someone

(50:37):
who is a member of the Roofing Association of New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (50:40):
Right, yeah, definitely. Now say, what was that website you mentioned?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Can I build it? Dot gov dot NZ?

Speaker 16 (50:50):
Can I build it?

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Build it?

Speaker 17 (50:53):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Can I build dot codon in the.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Actually I'm just I'm just typing, but hey, the site
can't be reached, probably because I've he spelted incorrectly. Hang on,
bear with me. Just can I build dot dov dot Z.

(51:28):
I think it's my computer that's not letting me get
to it. Look, I would probably and I know that
I should be able to give you a definite answer,
But I'm inclined to say the sort of work should
really be able to be done without necessarily requiring a consent,
but it should be done in accordance with the building code.
So replace the pearlins, fix the pearlins down, either with

(51:50):
pearlin screws or special nails that you can get nowadays
that will provide you with the resistance required to stop
the pearlins pulling out. And then you get some new
roofing underlay. Obviously that'll be part of it. And I
guess the other thing is you'd want to talk to
the roof for about how you'll deal with the fact

(52:12):
that if you've got a basically a twenty five milimeter
batton and now you're putting on a forty five millimeter Perlin,
will that create a large gap around you know, where
the roofing runs into the spouting. For example, you're going
to have to raise the spouting up because the roofing
eye is going to shoot the water over the top

(52:32):
of the spouting. You know, there might be a couple
of other parts to this project as.

Speaker 16 (52:37):
Well, right, I see, Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
That's just a practical thing, because what you might find
is that you know, by packing it up by putting
the pearlin and your roofing iron sitting up higher, and
that the water just shoots straight over the lip of
the spouting. It doesn't, it's not captured by the spouting,
which case then it's like, oh well, then I've got
to take all the spouting off. Also, i'd end up
with a large gap between the underside of the iron
and the top of the facer board. If it's a

(53:03):
timber facier, that's not really a huge advantage. So I
would probably look at packing that and here.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
A bit to it.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Yes, yeah, but I'll stay listening and i'll during the
break I'll try and sort out this why I can't
get into this particular website. My pleasure. Nice chatting with
you, you too, Thank you all this, Steven, take care. I'll
see if I can get a bit more of a
definitive answer on that before we wrap up the show
Today Radio taking your calls or more importantly, we're going

(53:36):
to jump in and talk with Jay from Razine, our
painting expert. So fire through those questions in stay listening
because I'm going to get told off by Jay. This
will be fun. Here'll be with us straight after the break.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Helping you finish that fabe, but it fixed. You started
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Supplies the future of ki We Building. Today call eighty
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Speaker 5 (54:07):
Our painting expert Jay from Razine is with us. A
very good morning to you, Jay.

Speaker 11 (54:12):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Yeah, very well, very well, all the better for having
finished some painting at my place. And again thank you
to you and to Marcus at Wairau for helping out
with that. So to get the color sorted in the
end or yeah, look, and I think you're right. Your
advice was, Hey, look in the end. The original color
that we painted is ten years old, right, so it

(54:35):
will have changed color a little bit over time, which
is to be expected. But yeah, look it's it's okay.
I'm pleased enough with it, and I finally finished a
little bit of architrave yesterday. Pretty tracky painting in these conditions, though, Ah, yeah,

(54:58):
are you're not wrong?

Speaker 14 (54:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Okay, So let's get the telling off but over first,
because this is the classic and I don't know, I
still don't actually know how I made this mistake. But
either way, I've been in the habit of telling and
advising people. Let's say, when you're doing any work on
your house, just keep a notebook, or keep a digital diary,

(55:21):
or send youselut, you know, create a Google file, whatever
you do, right, but keep some sort of record so
that you can go back and go, oh, that's right,
I've got to touch up that wall. I remember I
painted it, you know whatever color, Chateau gray or you
know whatever it is, right, foggy gray was my favorite color.
And there it is. I've got a note in my

(55:43):
diary or in a notebook, and I've got a notebook
from ten years ago when we repainted the inside of
the house. I wrote down every single color except the
one that I really needed. So anyway, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Just keep a record. Yeah, let's say nowadays everyone's got
a phone with a camera on it. Just take a
picture of the label. Yes, you can even write on
the pictures. Now, well, area, what walls, Just say, you've
got record. If you need to touch up or repaint
the wall, you've got the right color.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
And to be fair, I've got into the habit now
just with a felt pen of writing on the tin.
In this case it's quarter Spanish white. So I've just
written down twenty twenty six interior front door.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Yeah, you can ask the shops that so if it's
going on the certain bedroom or hallway, them to write
on it. So, I mean a lot of painters do
it brilliant when I was working in the shops. So
it just helps because those labels do do get perished
over time.

Speaker 11 (56:42):
Yes, ye, nails attack.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Them, Yeah, absolutely, look at it. You know, I'm not
going to go on about it, but it would have
saved me, well, it would have saved me painting at
the wrong color twice.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
It just helps.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Anyway, we got there in the end. We got there
in the end. But to my comment about painting, so
yesterday I was a little bit kick off yesterday, but
I probably it was just some interior oil based enamel
and it was just the architraves and so I painted
probably at around eleven thirty or so, and it had

(57:21):
really started to tack off by about three o'clock. But
you could feel the temperature getting a bit colder, and
just out of an abundance of caution, I just grabbed
a heater and put it near there, just to keep
the temperature up a little bit so that I could
close the door come, you know, five point thirty at
night sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's starting around that eleven
o'clock time. It's usually warmed up enough, or the surface
your paintings warmed up enough, and it's finishing early enough,
so it's got time to dry before the temperature does drop.
And even though the sun's starting to come out and
the days are a little bit longer, the temperature is
still still cold first thing in the morning, and it

(57:58):
still gets cold pretty quickly in the evening. So just
plan accordingly.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Yeah, absolutely, and you know, don't You've got to be
reasonable about your expectations. Right, It's chemistry, and the fact
is if it's too cold, it's just not going to dry.
And you can't complain about the paint. It's just this
is what happens, right, This is chemistry. Now. Someone actually
just reminds me of someone texts a couple of weeks
ago and went, look, I've done an oil based enamel

(58:25):
in black as it happens, which is cool, but after
a day it still hadn't dried. So what do you
think might be happening there?

Speaker 7 (58:35):
It could be depending on the if it's inside outside
and presuming it's outside. If it's on the south side
of the building where I am, it might struggle all day. Yes,
it might just be dependent on the area of painting.
It might just be wait until it's summer, or wait

(58:59):
until it's warmer, or if you can, like you've set
up a heater just to warm up inside, you can
set up he does and fans outside to try and
help the area. And plenty of people that have set
up heaters on the nexterior just to warm the area
they're working in. So just I'd say it's something like that.

(59:21):
If all based products do do work better in the
winter in the colder months, well, it's it could just
be one coat a day and be mindful of the
area you're painting. Yes, you can paint this time of year,
but some sides of the house might might struggle. Might

(59:41):
just be better to wait.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Yeah. Well, on the sort of project that I've been doing,
which is kind of restoring the front door for a
little while, I did. Actually I just fixed a drop
cloth to the outside of the house as well, so
that I could sort of encapsulate the area that I
was working in, partly that keep the dust down a
little bit, provide a little bit of privacy to the
house as well, if I'm really honest, And then all

(01:00:06):
So gave me somewhere that if I once I'd finished painting,
I just put a little oil heater in front of it,
just to try and keep the temperature up. Given that
we are literally in the middle of winter. So yeah,
certainly consider winter.

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
Sorry, it has been a cold Yeah, looks this year.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Well, I tracked the other morning and there was ice
on the windscreen, so you know that haven't had that
for a little while. Right out, Let's rip through a
whole bunch of texts that have come and paint. I
have a painting question. I'd like some advice about a
product that I could use for a white wash effect
on internal ply that we're using in a build. It's
not structural ply, it's just a formal ply that we

(01:00:46):
will cut and stick onto the walls. Also, should we
paint it before it goes up or afterwards.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
So we've got the colored white wash, or we've got
colored rock salt, which is a stain that penetrates it yep,
which is white. I tend to recommend doing either before
it goes up, or at least get a coat on
if you can, just so it's easier just to apply
and get a uniform finish before the ply goes goes up.

(01:01:18):
But either product will give you that white washed look.
There's also sort of gray washes and a few different
colors if you don't want it just white, if you want,
like say, a little bit of gray or different slightly
different look. Yes, but it's really really common common look.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Yeah, and I would second your advice around get a
coat of it on it before it goes up. It
just from a practical point of view. If you've got
beer ply and you want to clear finish it, then
you've always got fingerprints and but some pieces onto beer timber.
Whereas if it's head essentially a sealer coat before it
goes up, it just it just helps keep those at baby's.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
Product time as well. It's different angles that it gets supplied.
It's just easier when it's on the floor or up
against the wall, just to get a uniformed finish.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Yeah, sit up a little station and away you go, awesome,
right out morning peat. How do we remove it's a
paint prip question rather than painting one. How do I
remove those little feet that'll lift over when I pull
the ivy off a painted fiberlight wall from Isabelle.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
With great disculty. I suppose I've seen.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
I don't think paint strip or standing or anything's going
to work. I've seen people that sort of torture off
and burn it off. They're on sort of concrete block
walls in kilt slab when it's grown up. I don't
Apart from that, I don't know what else is going
to get it off. I suppose treating it with razim

(01:03:00):
moss and mold killer will help remove some of it.
But sometimes when that sort of those papers are really
ingrained into the substrate, it's a bit hard to get off,
just with I suppose cleaning chem of course.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Yeah, and on the fiber light, just a general caution,
if it is fibrilight and it's older, just be a
little bit cautious around the potential for there being asbestos
in that, in which case you don't want to then
hit it with a you know, sander or be scraping
it too much as well. Right, Oh morning, Peak. A
question for the painting is a bit that to you.

(01:03:34):
If I've moved and I've moved into a new home,
all of the walls and doors are painted gray. I'm
going to paint all of the doors white, and the
walls are color in that sort of black white range,
so basically white as well. Should I put a primer
coat over everything before I do the top coats? Thanks
from Paula.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
Yes, you can do obviously, clean everything down and gloss
and anything. I suppose. It depends how how gray it is.
Just I've got some sort of dark charcoal gray feature walls,
in which case, if I was going lighter, I would
you use a coad of quick dry first. But if

(01:04:15):
it's like a pretty light gray, then the top coats
should be able to cover if they're applya of the
correct spreading rates.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
And if it's relatively new, would you go top coat
over top coat and not worry about a primer? If
it's older, would you do a primer just for adhesion?

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
If it depends on the condition. If it's all in
rock condition, then in the colors not changing too drastically,
then the top coat over top coat should be fine. Okay,
it's a big color change or staining, then yes, some
form of undercoat or seala would be good.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Yeah, perfect, right. Oh, someone is looking at doing a
cheap and cheerful update of the kitchen and bathroom tiles.
The main tiles are in good condition, but the excellent
ones look a little bit dated. So just the excellent ones?
Can I paint them in? What do you recommend? What
prick would I need to do for Malillian?

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
Okay, so yes, we've got systems to be able to
paint them. But tiles aren't designed to be painted. So
like any knocks and scrapes or anything really is, it's
going to be the paint work that's likely to get damaged,
So it's always going to need sort of ongoing maintenance.
As for painting, it depends if there's a glaze on there. Yes,

(01:05:33):
as to what the best best sort of primers and
sealers would be, but I mean we've got I suppose
we've got an industrial PC system of armor coat two
to one in eurocrial depending on the area. Or we've
got melo mine and laminut primer that could potentially go on.

(01:05:56):
Or I suppose that that would be the two like
the melamine and laminute primer can can go on, followed
by this sort of top coats. I think there's a
couple of videos on the Masterstroke website of different people
painting sort of tiled surfaces, and again melamine and laminite

(01:06:18):
a kind of kitchen cupboards and stuff. So I think
i'm there. It's armor coat and europul, but it might
also be options for waterborne shaw seal or the melomine
and laminate primo. It's okay, sock check the videos and
have a look.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
But of course the proviso is always tiles are not
designed to be painted, So you can paint that, but
it will look like painted tiles, which is fine. Now
this is a bit of a tricky one. Someone with
a concrete tile roof. It has been painted, but it's
starting to fade and so on. Since the question is
can I easily paint the concrete tile roof myself?

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
Well, how confident you are respected If you're happy to
get up there and paint it, yep. If not, look
at getting a contractor in they can do it. Obviously
you're saying it's already been painted. Depends if the what
condition everything's in, and if the right process was followed.

(01:07:18):
Last time, I've seen a few concrete toil roofs where
it wasn't cleaned down properly or wasn't primed properly, and
although it's painted at the moment, there's big sections that
have come away or weathers very quickly, which obviously, if
you've got a lot of the roof that wasn't painted
or cleaned properly in the first place, any new stress

(01:07:40):
of new coding's going on is likely to cause cause
some issues. So I suppose it depends on like if
it's just faded in or just worn in a couple
of areas and you just wanted to update it, then
then you're comfortable getting up there, then yeah, get up,
give it a good clean sport prime many bear areas
with razine shore seal, and then a couple of couple

(01:08:03):
of top coats of summit roof awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Last one for you a painted solid plaster decorative ceiling,
so good old fashioned fibrous plaster. I guess with a
render over it the paint starting to peel. What paint
should we use as a primer.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
It's peeling back to the bear sort of rendered, then
you'd be looking at shore seal, and then then obviously
whichever topkoat you're going Some of those ceilings I've seen,
it's pretty glossy like any gloss that's on there would
need to be thoroughly sanded and degloss just to help

(01:08:43):
the new system adhere. But yeah, any beare areas would
be sure seal and then a sort of top coat.
You're going just to match him with what's there, or
if you're going to change things up, you'd be looking
at just a ceiling paint.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Awesome job done, much appreciated. It's always and thanks again
for your help in nice thing Marcus the other day
in the store, and yes, sure I will write everything down.
Thank you have all this, take care, see you ja
our painting expert from the good people at Razine Color Shops.

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So in this instance, in order to match the color,
I ended up taking off a cupboard door, just a
top one, so small door wasn't a massive door, taking
it into the shop, and then working with one of
their team who have got a very good eye, certainly
way better than mine, to go through the color range,
identify it, get a little sample onto a car, match it,

(01:09:38):
and go this is probably as close as we're going
to get because oh muppet McFee here didn't write the
color down years ago anyway, not making that mistake again.
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News Talk said, bright, oh, just before we go to
Ross and top Paul.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
For whatever reason, I couldn't get into the website before,
but I have now. So if you if I wondering
do I need a building consent for a particular project,
it's can I build at dot gov dot NZ And
essentially it's a kind of flow chart type thing. Yes, no, yes, no.
So I started by typing and roofing, which then said,

(01:11:53):
of there's about seven areas in there. Replacement of a
roofing or the first question is are you planning a
substantial or complete replacement of any component or assembly that
contributes to the building structural behavior or fire safety properties?
Is question number one. You could argue that it's not

(01:12:18):
actually structural, but the question is it's the building structural behavior,
i e. If the roof fails, the building's going to
get wet and that is going to impact on its
structural behavior. So you tick yes to that. Are you
replacing a component? The next question out of the number
two out of three is are you replacing a component
or assembly that has failed prematurely. What this is about

(01:12:40):
is all elements. All you know, significant components of a
building have minimum durability requirements. So, for example, if you
were replacing a roof within fifteen years of its construction
or installation, that would be a premature failure, in which
case that pretty much automatically triggers the requirement for building consent.

(01:13:01):
In the same way, if you're doing a reclad within
the durability requirements of the cladding, is always triggers or
requirement for building consent. So in this instance, no, we're
not doing that, So that's a no. Are you planning
a complete or substantial replacement of a specified system? No,
So specified systems tend to be around acoustic in particular

(01:13:22):
and fire, neither of which would apply to a roof
and a residential system. The answer for this is, because
you answered yes to question one, your project will need
a building consent. Now you could have a difference of
opinion and say I don't consider the roof to be

(01:13:44):
a component or assembly that contributes to the building structure
or performance because it's not structural. It's roofing, in which
case you'd tick no to that. If I change that
for this project, you may not need a building consent.
The next steps are you can change your answers or
what you can do to build without a building consent.

(01:14:04):
So there's reasonably good andfmation there. I might have a
chat to a couple of other building surveys during the
week and see what their opinion would be as well.
Radio seven forty five you were at news talks, there'd
be with Peat, wolf Camp the resident builder, and ross A.
Very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (01:14:19):
Good morning Peak. I've had all of the above experience
that he just described.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
In terms of reroof.

Speaker 17 (01:14:28):
Yeah, did a reroof had tiles on battens which have
been re purposed as firewood and a few other things.
They were removed and perlins put in across the roof
and long run installed and we did have have to

(01:14:49):
have consents. We went through that pretty quickly. I think
you can beat your head against the brick wall if
you're trying to take a short cut, and we just
wanted to maintain the integrity of the house and that
seemed to be an important part of it for all
sorts of as insurance being one of them. But then
the interesting thing was that initially our documentation was declined

(01:15:15):
because we hadn't know and and even thought of the
fact that we had to put in fire alarms that
were connected to each other fire and smoke alarms, and that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Would be triggered by the fact that you've made an
application for a building consent, and so they would while
it's not at all related to the roofing, it's now
a requirement of the Building Act and it's in the
Building Code, so it would have triggered that requirement.

Speaker 17 (01:15:47):
Yes, and I understand that there was just a little
bit negally, but again, why don't you do these things?

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Hey, look, and I was talking to a guy the
other day who's who's got a system for that. It's
fully wireless. They'll come and set it up. You know,
why wouldn't you? It makes a lot of sense. You know,
this is one of those pieces of changes to the
Building Act and to the Building Code that actually make
a lot of sense, which for people it might not

(01:16:15):
be familiar. Essentially, from now on, instead of having your
individually operated smoke detectors within the house, they have to
be linked so that essentially, let's say either upstairs or
downstairs or one end of the house, if one goes off,
they will all go off.

Speaker 17 (01:16:33):
Makes perfect sense, and that wasn't a difficult process, albeit
for my age aging electrician mate. It was the first
set he had put in, but he read the instructions
and we installed them and they all talked to each
other and the job is done. So yeah, so I'm just.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Curious on that ross when you say the ones that
you installed they all talk to each other. Are they
wired together or are they talking to each other wirelessly?

Speaker 17 (01:17:02):
Yeah, just a wireless as pack and they go to
a we controller that I don't want to have anything
to do with. And and it's all including heat in
the kitchen.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Yeah, which is really sensible because I know I in
the last little while changed mine out for one that
detects heat rather than smoke, because inevitably, when I'm cooking steak,
it would set off the smoke alarm.

Speaker 17 (01:17:30):
But anyway, yeah, yeah, well that's that's what happens when
you went well done but otherwise there was a great
experience and take great comfort.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Now if I can be so rude as to ask, roughly,
what did the building consent cost you?

Speaker 17 (01:17:45):
Oh, I'm going to say, but will not be held
to it. Yeah, about seven hundred dollars?

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Okay, yeah, and look for that? Why wouldn't you do it?
And then because you've got a building consent, you often
see needed to get a building inspection. And was that
done at the time of when they were putting the
Perlins on?

Speaker 17 (01:18:08):
I presume, yeah, there were several. Actually one of the
things there was a what I called a flat ban
a roof yep. But when the builders actually got there
to do the work, they said, well, that's actually there's
no way that contents. It is a minimum is it
three degrees?

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Three degrees? Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:18:25):
Yeah, three degrees quite a lot, yes, And so we
had to retrospectively designed put that in and they came
and ticked that box as well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Great. Great. You know, I think so often when we
have discussions around whether or not you need a building
consent for work with you know, consents can get quite costly,
and that's why people tend to go, oh, look if
they you know, if I can get away without one.
I'm going to do it. But you know, seven hundred
bucks that's money well spent. And you'd like to think

(01:18:58):
that councils in these situations, you know, will accept basically
the minimum amount of information. They don't need truck clothes
of pages of information to process a consent for this
simple documentation, simple inspection, modest fees and then you're done,
and like you say, it goes on to the property file.

(01:19:20):
Anyone else who comes along and looks at it and goes, gee,
that looks like a new roof. Did they get a consent?
Yes they did. Great, good on you, awesome, really appreciate
the call. Ross, Thanks mate, all the best you and
News TALKSB seven fifty. If you've got a question of
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Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
News TALKSB. I was wondering, says the text. I was
wondering how it is now required to get a link
smoke alarms when a person gets a new roof, it's
it's not about getting the new roof, it's about the
building consent. I think it's one of those things that
BCA's building control authorities and building consent authorities pardon me,

(01:20:14):
are saying, Okay, well, this is an opportunity to get
people to upgrade to the new standard, and it's always
attached to a building consent. They are always going to
tick that box about basically your compliance with smoke alarms,
smoke detectors, and so in this instance, while you've got
a building consent for that work, they will get you

(01:20:35):
to comply with the building code. The Building Code states
now that your smoke detectors need to be linked, which
I think is actually quite a good thing. Ross greetings, Oh,
good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:20:47):
I was just following up on the previous caller. If
he didn't get a consent, you would still have to
build to the standards absolutely, and so they have to
do that root for inclination anyway, yep. And sometimes you
can get a building consent exemption, yes, but you have
to provide all the designs and the paperwork as well.

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
To the council.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
So and I think the exemption is again quite a
good and straightforward process. So essentially you're just recording on
the property file the fact that you've done some work
which somebody else might ask some questions about in the future,
and there's a paper trail that says, Yep, in this instance,
they've come to us, they've told us what they're going

(01:21:33):
to do. It's not of the scale that requires a
building consent, but here's some evidence to say that they
have asked essentially permissional they've been granted the exemption, and
that the work they've undertaken the work in compliance with
the building Code. I think that's a good pathway as well.

Speaker 18 (01:21:51):
Yeah, in the case that I was thinking of, we'd
applied for a building consent exemption prior to doing the work. Yes,
so involved quite complex engineering designs yep. And sometimes the
council's not even going to know what you're looking at.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
So okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:22:09):
Yeah, so we've found that way. But you have an
exemption first before we started the works.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
And that's the key too. Before you start the work.
You can't go and ask for an exemption afterwards, right,
they're going to take a very dim view of that.
So before you start the work, you get the compliance
pathway in place in this case with an exemption and
then undertake the work to the standards of the building Code.
And it's just a really good solution. So hopefully thanks

(01:22:36):
very much for that Ross. It's a really good insight,
and you know, you'd like to think that councilors will
work with people to help them through that process as well.
We're back straight after New Sporting Weather at.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Eight vegting what they've forgot to mention on that YouTube
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the future of ki we Building today call.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Us talk your us talks b and is our new
tradition at around this time. Yes, indeed it is ladies
and Gentlemen lift and time or as I discovered on
the brand's website, I was looking at some of their
stuff this week on social media and they were talking
about a little project that they're doing, and I've actually
visited it that there's a classic sort of nineteen seventies

(01:23:26):
nineteen eighties, simple three bedroom house and one hundred and
ten square meters five blight on the outside, aluminum joinery
Da da da da da typical typical New Zealand house
from that time. Anyway, they're doing a deep retrofit to it.
But they measure everything with a gazillion different senses and
that sort of thing. So it's a real good piece

(01:23:48):
of science that brands are doing there. Not surprisingly but
interestingly enough, they had a little post about controlling moisture
inside your house, and they are calling it blast ventilation.
I might have to give them a call and go, hey, guys,
let's get on the same page. Maybe they can call
it lift and time as well, or maybe old change
the terminology to blast ventilation. But there it is. The

(01:24:09):
good people from Brands are going, hey, when you get
up in the morning, open the doors. Open the windows,
allow a little bit of fresh air into the house.
Lit some of that stale moisture laid in air that's
probably accumulated in your house overnight, dissipate, disperse from the house,
so you know, front door, back door, side door, other

(01:24:30):
side door, bit across ventilation, get some fresh air in
a couple of minutes. They're calling it blast ventilation. I'm
going to stick with lift and time. And I keep thinking,
what did Benjamin Franklin call it when he advocated for
it sometime while he was busy writing the Right, the Constitutional,
the Declaration of Independence. He was around at the time anyway,

(01:24:51):
So if he thought it was a good idea, and
Brands thinks it's a good idea, then I'm going to
stick with it and say I think it's a good
idea as well. So lift and time, ladies and gentlemen.
It is eight minutes after eight now. Building Inspector texts,
thank you, this is awesome. Building Inspector he that exemption
flow chart is hard for the uneducated to know. The
code clauses roofing is not B one unless going from

(01:25:15):
lightweight to heavy weight. So for example, if you had
a profile metal roof, lightweight roof and for some reason
you wanted to put concrete tiles on it, that would
trigger a requirement for a building consent, So that's lightweight
to heavyweight roofing, says. The texture is through B two,
which is all about durability, and E two, which is
all about weather tightness. Hence your first move took you

(01:25:37):
to the wrong conclusion. So where I was looking at
the can I build it website, So there's essentially a
flow path or flow chart type approach. Yes, no, yes, no.
The durability part, and the weather tightness is part of
protecting the structure. Therefore it would trigger a requirement for

(01:25:59):
a building consent. And as per our caller just before
the news ross saying in this since they went to council,
they said this is the work that we intend to do,
and they got an exemption. So it's recorded on the
property file that the work was done under the provision
of due to one of the act or with an
exemption and therefore no one's going to come back and

(01:26:22):
question it later on. And this is always the issue
essentially when people go to sell. If people notice that
there's been work done that doesn't have a compliance pathway,
doesn't have a building consent, doesn't have a CCC attached
to a building consent, can become a real problem. And
it looked to be fair. My attitude has changed to

(01:26:42):
it in the sense that, you know, five ten years ago,
if someone said to me, oh, look, I'm interested in
this property, but there's been some work done and it
doesn't have a building consent or they didn't get signed
off in the building consent, you know, is that going
to be a problem. I probably would have said, well, look,
you know, if you can get it at a reasonable

(01:27:03):
price and you prepared to get it up to standards
so that you're not selling it in the same situation.
Have a go. But I think increasingly my attitude is
make sure that the vendor, the person selling the house
gets it up to standard before they sell, because it
can be quite a process. Certainly certificates of acceptance very

(01:27:25):
high burden of proof. Now just on the smoke alarms
as well. So this is from Fire and Emergency's website,
so fiends website. A recent update to the New Zealand
Building Code brought in a requirement for homeowners to install
interconnected smoke alarms for new builds and homes undergoing significant renovations,
which would usually require a building consent. So it is

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roofing a significant renovation. Possibly not, but in this instance
where someone did get a building consent for a change
of roof from in this case pressed metal tile dechromastic
roof through to profile or through to a lot run,
the building consent that they got also added the fact

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that they needed to upgrade their smoke detectors or smoke
alarms to an intellect one. The intellect ones are good,
no doubt about it. Just another quick comment from me too.
The insight, I guess so the other day and if
you happen to follow me on either Facebook or Instagram,

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I discovered on Friday, it's always a Friday, and typically
it's always a Friday afternoon that there was quite a
bit of water around the water meter at my place,
around the toby, you know the box that goes around
where the meter is and where the tapp is. And
I ignored it initially, and then later in the day
I was like, oh, got to go and sort that out.

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Started bailing it out, and as I bailed it out,
I could see water bubbling up. And then once I
bailed that out completely, I noticed that in fact the
fitting had perished or deteriorated or moved or split either
way the water coming out. Got that sorted out, but
it did mean for a period of time that I
didn't know whether we would get it sorted in the

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day or if I needed to. You know, it was
thankfully it got sorted pretty quickly. But what I was
able to do is use water from the water tanks
that I've got in the interim. So at one stage
I needed some water just to clean my hands and
tools and bits and pieces. I turned the toby off

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and I was able to use water from the water tank.
So I've got one of those Bailey slim gems tucked
in behind the shed that's obviously full of water right now.
And it just just at that moment where you go, actually,
you know what, just from a resilience point of view,
having your own water storage is just gives you that opportunity.
I mean, you know, if, for example, I couldn't have

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got it fixed that day and I had the water
off overnight, at least I could have gone out filled
some water boiled on the on the stove and been
able to do dinner or make a cup of tea
or something like that. So little water tank, it's not
just about the use for you know, either harvesting or
that sort of thing. There's a bit of resilience as well.

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So that that slim gym tank. I was very pleased
that I had that the other day and she's using
it the other day. Hook it up to the water blaster,
do a whole lot of water blasting around the back
of the house. Didn't use a drop of water that
I have to pay for. That's the good thing as well.
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couple of people have text through with regard to the
building consents. Actually, he's another quick one morning peak. I
recently built a deck requiring a consent in Wellington. Was
surprised when I received an RFI request for further information
for a plan showing interconnected smoke alarms. When chatting with
the inspector as the job progressed, he explained that counts.
We're using any type of consent as a mechanism for

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insuring houses had good smoke alarms installed. Not a bad idea,
I reckon from Mark, and look, I would tend to
agree with you. They are a good idea and I
think it's probably something that I'm going to do, regardless
of the fact that I don't intend getting a building consent
for any work in the near future. But they make

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a lot of sense. Might get an expert on to
talk about them at some stage too, Tom, Morning to you,
good minds.

Speaker 19 (01:33:09):
So, just a couple of weeks ago we had a
chat about a jade twenty ram set. Yes, you were
going to look into slightly further the manner of my question.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Oh, in terms of whether or not they're compliant nowadays.

Speaker 16 (01:33:24):
Ownership.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Really, I don't see that there would be any issues
with ownership a pistol, Well, yes, I know, but whether
or not they'd be they're not considered a firearm. I mean,
they effectively act the same way as a firearm, but

(01:33:45):
I don't think within the legislation they're considered a firearm.

Speaker 19 (01:33:50):
Legislation, sir, That's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Yeah, in terms of guns and firearm legislation and so on,
they're a little bit well I'm sorry, no, I'm just
wondering whether you can still buy them or not.

Speaker 19 (01:34:04):
Well, I did find out, I think a couple of
years ago, that you certainly couldn't own a commercial job,
but privately, I kept mine privately, But a while ago
the police came and took mine that's and I was
a firearm owner and shoot it too previously. It's a

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bit of a conundrum, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
Look I've still got one right for a while, I
haven't haven't had a reason to use it for a while.
Might have a reason to use it in the future,
and that's why I'm going to hang on to it.
But I look, I will send myself an email now
to make sure that I do a little bit of
research and I'll see if I can come with up
with an update next Sunday on the show. I appreciate that, Tom,

(01:34:57):
and thanks for the hurry out. Graham. Good morning to
you here.

Speaker 15 (01:35:01):
Good morning. This is just the follow on to the
early ones about re roofing. We've got a nineteen thirty
bungalow here on the cast. It's got long run color
steel on the roof now, which is about thirty years old.
And I was going to look at reroofing. But the
iron is actually nailed directly into the sarking boards on

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the ceiling or the hriky yes, So if you take
it off, do you have to remove the sarking board
and then replace that with pearlins or do you put
pearlins over the top or do you just screw it
straight into the sarking board.

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
When you say sarking board, is it like a rough
sworn six per two or six per one something like that.

Speaker 15 (01:35:48):
Yep, it's all heart remo and it's I think where
it's eight for one. I think it is.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Oh yeah, yep. I did a project a couple of
years ago and we replaced iron which was you know,
it was a pretty simple little cottage had an old
iron roof from the nineteen I think it might have
been nineteen thirties. It was Lysart iron from Sydney, so

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think about the age of that. And it was on
a building that I suspect had shingles on it originally.
So the entire roof was sheathed in pretty much a
six per one or maybe even an eight by one
sarking board, and we simply replaced, took the old iron off,

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put new roofing underlay, put the new roofing straight down
on top. There's you know, plenty of support, plenty of
purchase for the screws, you know, screw biting into twenty
mili sarking. I think we'll have enough hold down. So
I look, given that, you know, in the the only

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reason that you're replacing the iron is that the iron's
got to end of life. It has performed, and performance
is part of a pathway to compliance with the building code.
So you could argue, look, the old iron has worked
for all of those years, and all I'm doing is
replacing the iron with new iron the way in which

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was fixed down, and chances that was nailed down. So
if you're screwing it down, it's even better. I think
in that instance, as long as you do the work
well and you use the right fixings, and even if
when you take the iron off, maybe you go through
and I'm just being practical here, I'd go through, maybe
with some decent you know, screws, and go through, make

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sure that all of that sarking board is well fastened
to the rafters, and then I would put the iron
straight back over the top to be fair.

Speaker 15 (01:37:59):
Yep, thank you for that. I was concerned that I'd
have to deal with our hopeless council with the consents.
I try to avoid that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
The councils. Look, many councils do awesome work. Every now
and then, you know, someone within the organization kind of
drops the ball and we all get to hear about it,
which is unfortunate. But yeah, look, I think for something
that's worked as well as yours has for as long
as it has, there's little risk in saying I'm going
to do the same thing, but with the benefit of

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modern underlays and modern fastness in terms of screws rather
than nails, that's what I would do. Nice to chat
with you.

Speaker 15 (01:38:38):
The problem we've had is the lot of the nails
are actually coming out because they've wasted away that much.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
Yeah, and they kind of work their way out sometimes
as well. So and look, if it's a really old roof,
is it lead head nails?

Speaker 15 (01:38:53):
Some of it's lead head and some of it those
ones with the galvanized washers on them with the angular shanks.

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
Yes, they'll be a little bit harder to pull out.

Speaker 15 (01:39:01):
But yeah, and as they as they pop back up,
I get up there and just text screw them back
in again. We put new screws in.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
But if you yeah, all the best, mate, Take care,
Thank you, take care, Henry, good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
Good morning. I've got the concrete toild roof and I
was just wondering whether or not raizines do that best.
That rubbers pointing again on the ridges because it used
to come from Australia, but they haven't got the color anymore,
and I'm having trouble getting those the match to do

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the the contractors to do the repointing on the ridging.

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
Okay, see, I would have thought if you're doing repointing,
which is essentially taking out the old mortar bed that
the ridge capping or the the tiles that you use
on the hips and that are on, are you just
doing are you actually taking the ridge caps and hip
caps off and repointing or are you just kind of

(01:40:10):
doing targeted repairs where it's it's dropped out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
Yeah, there's an Australian company that used to do the
regene rejointing. One that moves rubber. Yeah, one that goes
on to tidy that back up again to stop the
cracks and leaks, and that yes on the old water
when they peel it off.

Speaker 7 (01:40:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
So I was just wondering do anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
Not to my knowledge, and I think I've got a
reasonable idea of their range. So I mean, there is
a product that I used recently. I'd want to talk
to them about whether or not it's it would be
suitable for this called Injuris E N d U r
I S and it's a flexible waterproofing membrane. Theoretically, with

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the right adhesion, you could you could use that to
paint over the ridge cap and over the mortar to
give your waterproof and permeable surface. But I have a
look online and have a chat to the team about
whether or not that would be a suitable product to use.
The other thing too, is that modern mortars for that

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type of work have binders in them and they have
just a little bit of flexibility, so you should get
less of that problem if you took the ridge caps off,
stripped out the mortar, re mortared with the new modern
adhesives or.

Speaker 6 (01:41:41):
There was done at least thirty years ago. And the
color now is for the tiles. They don't do the
coloring right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
Yeah, This Injuris I think comes in two colors, so
I'm not a yeah, it be worth having a look at,
but that would be the only product that I could
think of. All the best to you, Henry, good luck
with that. I think he's just added to my list
of jobs that I need to think about as well.
It's another job to add to the list ridio, let's

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