Full Show Podcast: 25 January 2026

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for 25th January 2026, Pete tackles questions about building reports, roofing, ventilation, granny flats, and weatherboards.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talk said, b if it creaks, leaks,
cracks or squeaks, some's the time to get it sort
of call oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty The
Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp US Talk saib.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
People, is that away? Ba going back?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Once?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (00:38):
Taken your.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Drive?

Speaker 6 (00:41):
Do you believe?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Do you believe? You believe it's true? Nothing the same way,
nothing the same.

Speaker 7 (01:03):
Please well a very good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, A slightly different song to mark the passing of
the drummer from that particular band, mid Died Oil. Rob
Hurst passed away this week, so one of my all
time favorite bands. I thought in honor of them, play
a little bit of Midnight Oil, a little bit of
power and passion, and that's what we should bring to
this discussion. It is often about power, who's got it,

(01:57):
who you have to talk to in order to get
things done, And hopefully we're all passionate about building, because
I certainly am welcome along to the show. My name
is Pete wolf Camp, the rest and Builder, and this
is The Resident Builder. On Sunday, twenty fifth to January,
just after six o'clock what's on your mind this morning,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty If you've got a
question or a comment, or an inquiry or a dilemma

(02:22):
that you'd like to talk about, if it relates to
housing in all of the ways that we relate to housing,
whether we're an owner, whether we're a renter, whether we're aspirational,
whether we've got something that's brand new or something that's
a little bit run down and need some work. And
to be fair, even if you've got a brand new house,
chances are still need some work. So there's always something
to do. There's always a question, there's always a question

(02:44):
that I've never heard of, and that's what I love
about the show. So welcome in on this Sunday morning,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two,
or that's z b ZB from your mobile phone. And
if you'd like to email me, you're more than welcome
to do that. It's Pete atnewstalok ZB dot co dot NZ. Right,
let's get amongst it now. I'll put my hand up

(03:05):
straight away just in case people are going, did he
do his homework?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I didn't. And it's not like it blew out the window,
the dog ate my homework or anything like that. It's
been a week and despite having a little bit of
a look around for the answer to the question that
I guess was posed to me last week on the show,
which was around whether or not there is a home
owner exemption for the building of simple standalone dwellings sesds

(03:33):
or granny flats, as there is if you wanted to
build your own house under the current legislation in terms
of restricted building work and the need to contract an LBP,
there's an exemption that you can use, which is, hey, look,
if I'm a passionate home builder but I don't happen
to be an LBP, can I do the work myself? Well,

(03:53):
yes you can. It gets noted on the limit, et cetera,
et cetera. So I haven't at the stage been able
to find out whether or not that would apply to
granny flats, but I will keep looking. I think I
had some other homework to do it as well, but
that might have gone by the by as well. So
we're into it. Good morning, welcome along to the show.
Hope that you're well. It's hard to do a show

(04:14):
like this and not also acknowledge I guess the weather
and the tragedy that the weather has brought to the
country this week as well, whether that's the person whose
vehicle was washed away just north of Auckland obviously, to
the recovery work that's going on at Toldrong at the moment,

(04:35):
and then the landslide that claimed to victims as well.
And this is that intersection between I guess you know
what we talk about on the show and real life,
right this is people in their homes that have been
impacted by the built environment and by the environment that
we create, sometimes by the activity that we undertake in
it as well. So it speaks I think a lot

(04:59):
for the importance of planning professionals and of course the
people that come in and do the hard work to
repair and replace. Well can't replace life, obviously, but to
repair and rebuild after these sorts of events and number
of people been impacted by it. If that's been you,
and certainly I had had a discussion with some friends.

(05:22):
Minor in the scale of things, but you know, erosion slips,
damage to retaining walls, that sort of thing to be
fair in an area that I was a bit surprised
would be impacted. So if you have been impacted. My
thoughts are with you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call quick text as well. Pay
Pete much better intro song for a trade, keep it up,

(05:43):
good show from Mike. Thank you Mike, much appreciated radio.
Let's get amongst it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number, Carol, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 8 (05:53):
Good mornington. This is quite Kelenny because the power and
the passion you have the building I've got for for
from their education. I wanted to ask you, please, pretty please,

(06:16):
who can tendency tribunal adjudicators go to to get building
reports understood? I'll tell you what. I picked a fight
with Housing New Zealand. They didn't use builders or plumbing

(06:41):
protocol for testing the building.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
What protocol do you think they should have used?

Speaker 8 (06:50):
You know, like ab CD levels the same amount of
water goes against the building, A war goes along or down,
and as goes down to be A and B go
down to see and could gets the most flat a

(07:11):
at the top that they didn't follow down?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Is this in terms of moisture ingress, the potential for leaps?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Right?

Speaker 9 (07:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (07:22):
And flat tee wasn't fit for rats to live in.

Speaker 10 (07:28):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (07:29):
They said that they tested my.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Flat, tested for what.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Gamp mold and leaks? Yeah, but it was rubbish, No
such thing, even when I asked them to.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, yep, okay.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
So I'm not happy that they urinated on the judicial
system and me because they got paid off with me
and put on sixty five percent disabled and they lied
to me and witnesses and tribunals and caused me to

(08:11):
be more disabled. And when I told them about was
that they got shifted me, but they didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I think if you're going to have a dispute around
let's say building condition and a building condition report, then
and I have you attempted to take housing zealand kind
of order to the tenancy tribunal? I okay? And during

(08:43):
the tenancy services hearing or tendancy tribunal hearing, you won?
And what what what does winning mean?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
I've got a work order again with done right?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Okay? So the work order was issued. Did they complete
the work?

Speaker 8 (09:02):
No? No? What happened is I knew that I'm not
a dumb femil and I knew that to fix my flat,
that have to fix others.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yep. So if if you know that the work was
not completed, if you can provide evidence of that to
go back, Sorry.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
The whole lot got demolished.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
The flats got demolished.

Speaker 8 (09:30):
Yeah, I know this sounds like talllet material, but I'll
text you later.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, sure you can see if the building got demolished,
then there's.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
Yeah, because after that they came after my health. And
what I'm trying to prevent is then faking a building
report to an adjudicator. Again it's going to.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
But just just so unclear. Does it sound now that
you're you're your claim is now not about the building,
because the building doesn't exist anymore. It's about the impact
on your health.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
No, it's about the narinating on the judicial system.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well that's a figurative term because I presume they didn't
actually do that. So no, the claim is now about
your health.

Speaker 8 (10:28):
No, they most lead the judiciary. And I want to
know who an addreudicator can present a building report to
be advised.

Speaker 11 (10:42):
Not I mean like brands.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
No, I mean, look, if I'm trying to get my
head around exactly what the I understand what the issue
might be. But in terms of if you've presented evidence
to the disputes, well, not the dispute stridian to the
tendency tribunal, right, and you're you're wanting to provide evidence

(11:08):
to them, you're going to have to provide counter evidence,
in which case you may have to find a building
surveyor who would undertake a survey. But if the building
doesn't exist anymore, they've got nothing to survey. You can't
retrospectively review a report because you have no way of
looking at the physical evidence if the physical evidence has
been removed.

Speaker 12 (11:26):
So I've got a graphic, yeah, but if.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
The building doesn't exist, I'm not sure that anyone's going
to take this on board in terms of I guess,
like any other.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Dispute you need.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
But if you can't argue a future case, if there
isn't an actual case in front of you, then it's theoretical.
And I would imagine tendency services aren't going to be
that interested in arguing about something that doesn't exist.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
Well, I wantators don't get taken an by government department.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Again, that's a much bigger and I you know, this
is about power and passion, and I I get it,
but I think in terms of an actual dispute about
a building. You've got to have the building there, and
then you can have two experts counter each other. And
I know a number of building surveys who act as
expert experts in giving evidence in trials, and it will

(12:23):
often be two building surveys arguing against each other or
through the court arguing with each other about the condition
of the building. So you know, one side provides their
evidence and the other side finds their expert with their evidence,
and then the judged aside. So if there's going to
be another case that you want to take, you would
need to provide your own evidence. I think I don't

(12:45):
think that the Tendency services would do that on your behalf.
In which case, if you want to take this further
and you want to provide some evidence that they've not
understood it, not listen to what you've initially said, you'd
have to find a building survey. You can find building
surveys online.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
Building We've got one.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Thing that would be the best place to start, and
then you know, if you explain it to one of them,
maybe someone take the case. But again I'm if I'm
really really honest, I'm not sure where this might head. Carol.
I appreciate your passion for all of this. Take care
behind all, yes, all the best to your Carol, You

(13:26):
take care your new Stork. Se'd be oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a building question
or a question about the building legislation and that sort
of thing, We're more than happy to chat about that
as well. Just for the break this text, and you
up to seventy square meter building rules, you still need
a project information memory and them, and you will need
to pay development levy. The councils will just crank up

(13:48):
that levy cost to make up any consent shortfall. Says
the texter. I'm not sure that counsel are overly worried. Well,
this might be a bit naive on my part. I'm
not sure that counsel are overly worried about the revenue
that they might miss out on in terms of building
can see fees. I can't see them making a huge

(14:10):
amount of profit off doing building consents. I mean what
a building inspector charges you is actually less than if
you were to get an independent building inspector to come
out and do that, is my view. Yeah, I don't think.
I mean there will be fees, and I've had a
number of texts and comments from people going, hey, look

(14:33):
I decided to put a minor dwelling on the back,
or I'm going to and now my rates have doubled
and I only put fifty square meters on the back,
but now council have levied me double the amount of
rates I was paying before. So yeah, you will need
to know what the fees are before you get into
one of these little projects. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Six twenty one, The

(14:55):
lines are open for you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Core me now.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Suns out tools out your summer DIY starts here and
the resident builder with Pitterwolf Care call eight hundred and
eighty News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Indeed, the lines are open for you right now. We've
got a couple of spare lines, so now's a good
time to call. Inevitably, the show gets a little bit
busier towards the end, so now's a good time if
you've got a question. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call. Just with regard to Carol's
comments and discussion beforehand, Pete, I think that Carol's intent

(15:31):
is to ensure that what happened to her is not
repeated with someone else in the future. Regards from Kevin, look,
I would agree with you, but I think if you've
ever been involved in working with bureaucracy and trying to
in some way influence change bureaucracy, you'll also realize just
how difficult that is, and how I guess systemic change
is incredibly difficult. So I admire and support the aspiration

(15:56):
these things also then become practical. But I think too,
having been kind of involved in a few disputes and
having actually I think couple of years ago, I was
contracted by a tenant to provide evidence that actually an
inspection done by somebody else was, if not false, misleading

(16:21):
or incorrect, and so that and that's the kind of
space that not building surveys, registered building surveys, which I'm not,
by the way, I plan on doing some of the
courses this year, by the way, are involved in all
of the time, right, you know, that sort of providing
expert evidence and in terms of tendency services. I've also

(16:46):
done some consulting where there was a discussion and a
dispute around a healthy homes assessment and it was around
heating requirements for a building, and the numbers that were
presented by one Healthy Homes assessor ended up with a

(17:08):
very high requirement in terms of the heat required, the
killer watts that you were required. And then I had
a look at it, felt that that was unwarranted and
unnecessary and that the work that was needed to do
allegedly was more than what was actually required for the space,

(17:30):
and so I looked at it. Then I went off
and got an expert to do some energy modeling and
they confirmed that. And then with that evidence, you can
then go back and say, well, look, I'd like to
dispute the outcome of that particular report. Here's my evidence,
and then I guess tendency services can make up their
own mind from there. Be an interesting thing too. A

(17:52):
couple of little while ago, a year or so ago,
we got someone from the disputes tribunal to come in
and have a chat about what it is to go
to the dispute tribunal, because lots of building issues end
up at the dispute tribunal and interesting to get someone
from tendancy services. Can I also draw your attention and

(18:14):
I'm happy to take some calls on this there was
a story last week. It was actually on the stuff
website with regard to people who had made applications for
bond refunds. So, if you're a tenant and your tenancy
comes to an end, either your decision or the landlord's
decision at the end of it. If there is a bond,

(18:34):
and most of the time there is, then at the
end of it, the landlord decides whether or not the
bond's going to be refunded, sends a letter signed by
both parties to tenancy services, to the bond refund team,
and then they process the bond refund and it is
refunded to the tenants. But it seems like there have

(18:58):
been some extraordinary delays with that of which actually I
have firsthand knowledge. So instead of it being a three
four day process, it had got out to ten days.
In the case that I know of, it was out
to more than twenty five days. To process a boondary
fund required a number of phone calls, including this is

(19:23):
frustrating when you're phoning a government department to wait on
the line for thirty minutes and then for the automated
message to say, due to unexpected demand, we can't take
your call click you just get hung up on, so
hopefully they've got their act together there as well. You
may care to comment, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(19:44):
is the number to call quick text before the break? Pete,
what are your thoughts on polished concrete? Looking at buying
a house that has two big cracks in the concrete.
In the polished concrete thanks from Raymond. There's an old
phrase from concreting people that all concrete cracks right, and

(20:07):
I don't know that I've ever met someone who would
dispute that, So I guess with a polished concrete slab,
what you're looking for is that it was designed to
be a polish concrete slab. So often, if you're going
to do a polish concrete slab, you actually pour your
slab slightly thicker in order to allow for the fact
that some of that top has been taken off. It's

(20:28):
only millimeters, but it's still part of the requirements, and
also that there's sufficient reinforcing in the way in which
it's placed. Because if you're going to polish concrete, if
that's your intention, the places the people that lay the
concrete should use a slightly different technique when it comes
to finishing it off, maybe different type of concrete that
you're using, a different mix or a different aggregate mix,

(20:52):
possibly with some additives in it, and then it's cured
in such a way and cut in such a way
as to prevent cracks. So if there are cracks in it,
that's what concrete does. But if there are cracks that
seem to be placed where you know, one side of
the crack is higher than the other, then I would
start to have some questions about that. And then there's

(21:12):
a question to you know, how long since the slab
was poured? Is that in a new build? Is that
in a ten year old build? Is the crack indicative
of subsidence or is the crack simply there because those
other measures went in place at the time the job.
So there's a few things to consider there. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call, and a

(21:34):
very good morning to Actually we'll talk to Elizabeth after
the break. Then we can stretch our legs back in
a moment.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
From summer backyard job to Big Rennolds. Let's talk it through.
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the resident builder
where peterwilfcab news talks be.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Indeed news talks. There be people for camp with you
on the Sunday morning, six thirty four and Elizabeth, good morning.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
How are you.

Speaker 13 (22:00):
I'm very well saved.

Speaker 11 (22:01):
How are you very well?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
How can I help?

Speaker 13 (22:04):
I'm just wondering about Hi.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yes, I actually live in a two bedroom unit that
was built in the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Elizabeth. I think you might have your radio on in
the background, in which case you're going to hear yourself
a couple of seconds later, and that's going to be
really distracting.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yes, it is, I can hear yeah, little. Now, this
building it's really I mean, it's really very very good
because it's built in the days when there's no insulation,
which is not very.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well.

Speaker 13 (22:42):
No, but it's the sixties, so you know, it's got
insulation in.

Speaker 14 (22:46):
The ceilings, but not in the walls or anything like that, you.

Speaker 15 (22:50):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (22:52):
And of course I've got a heat pump, but that
is in the orange. It doesn't really go through to
the rest of the house. I don't want to do
double grazing because there's far too many ranch sliders and
things that would be extreme expensive, and there's condensation. So

(23:12):
I mean you know, years ago, there was this big
thing about HRV being a bit of a raw. I
just wondered whether that's been disproved it's good or what.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Certainly it's interesting. Actually, I was listening to a podcast
yesterday or the day before and I was driving around
that talked about it was kind of like looking forward
to this year and some of the big themes in
terms of building and building science, and one of them
is around ventilation, right, and that it's been overlooked in

(23:46):
our houses. And I will get a ton of texts
saying all of the stuff about ventilation is why are
you're talking about it? Why don't you just open the windows?

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
So if you want to text me that, that's fine,
heard it before? What you know, what we're what there's
more and more science about and research about, is you know,
what's the impact of really good ventilation and what does
really good ventilation look like? And so certainly if you
were to install some form of ventilation, an active system,

(24:16):
or whether it's a balance pressure or a negative pressure
or a positive pressure system, it will help change the
internal environment, the atmosphere within the house, and maybe you'll
have less condensation now the condensation is in large part
due to the fact that you've got single glazing, and
that's what happens because you've got so much heat loss

(24:38):
through the windows. So as you warm up the space,
that will help. Getting air movement and air exchanges inside
a building will help. I think that many of that,
like the early systems of this type of ventilation, which
is essentially like a heat recovery, which is what HIV

(25:00):
stands for heat recovery, ventilation was focused on drawing warm
air from the roof space, which is what happens, and
then recirculating that through the house. And what it relies
on is drawing air from the roof space, pushing it
into the house, and then as the house becomes more pressurized,
the only place for that to go is out through

(25:21):
all the gaps and cracks that you've got in your house.
It's air leakage, right, So it's to be really honest,
it's not a very refined system. Where we're getting to
today in terms of ventilation systems is perhaps something that
draws air from outside, fresh air that's then filtered because
we know that not all air outside is fresh and clean,

(25:45):
and then pushes that into dry areas of the house
and links that to extracting from wet areas in the house,
so your kitchen, laundry, bathroom, and so on, and then
expelling that to outside. So that's, in my opinion, a
much better system. And saying that is someone who's got

(26:05):
one of those other systems in the house where it's
sucking air out of my roof, which is you know,
one hundred and twenty years of dust and pushing that
into my building. Now, that made a difference. When that
system dies, eventually, I'll replace it with a better system
because there are better systems out there.

Speaker 12 (26:24):
Now.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
Oh that's lovely, now, but what are they called?

Speaker 11 (26:29):
H NO?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I understand that HIV. If you look on their website,
they're doing it, DVSA doing it. There are other really
good systems. There are some systems you could install yourself.
If you have a look at the Simics website, there's
a number of ventilation systems there. You can go to
people like Zender, you can go to Steeple Altron. It's
a really interesting space. And finally enough, yesterday I sold

(26:53):
the couch right and the guy that came to pick
it up we got talking about buildings and he was
talking about the fact that he'd just been to a
renovated building. It was near BnB. They'd stayed there, and
the building had been built with a view to energy
efficiency and with high performance, and it had a mechanical
ventilation system in it, so that when you went to
the bathroom, instead of having an extractor in the bathroom,

(27:17):
there was just a button on the wall that ramped
up the mechanical extraction heat recovery system that was there,
and that dealt with the condensation. And it's just it's
like two or three generations on from the early systems
and they're there. And when I was away overseas recently,
the house that we were staying in, our friend's house

(27:38):
had exactly the same system. So, like, what's really exciting
about this for me and for people involved in sort
of building and building science, is these systems are now
becoming more available. They're much more nuanced, they're much more considered,
they're much more technically involved, but the outcomes are tremendous.
So if you're going to go down the ventilation route,

(28:01):
spend a bit of time investigating it, maybe have a
look at some research and writing that's been done by
the super Home movement who have just recently shooed a
document which is like a super home guide for renovation.
So if you've got an existing house and you want
to do some alterations to it and improve its energy

(28:23):
efficiency and its performance, the super Home Movement has now
released a renovation guide which is probably a really good
place to start.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
That sounds slous.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Thank you very much, my pleasure. Thank you all the
very best, Take care, see you then. And yeah, it
was a fascinating discussion, to be fair. We had to
spend a bit of time chatting Steve and myself who
came to pick up the couch yesterday, because we were
trying to lift the couch onto the trailer and then
the rain came down and was like, well, we'll just
wait for a couple of minutes, it'll blow through and

(28:57):
then we'll move it. And then we got talking about
houses and ventilation system and he said, look, I've just
been down the road. I think it was Matter Matter
or somewhere around there. Stayed in this house, nice villa,
massive renovation, really good joinery, air tight, well insulated, and
it had one of these mechanical ventilation systems in it.

(29:17):
He said it was amazing. So that's really fascinating and
actually talking about building science. There's a series of seminars.
There's a bit of a roadshow coming up in March.
We'll talk to some people involved in it in February sometime,
which is not far away obviously on building science. So
if you want to know more, if you're interested in

(29:39):
building science and you want to go to a sort
of one day seminar around some of the updated information
around building science, listen to a couple of experts. If
you go to the pro Climber website, so that's pro
Capital Clima pro Climber, search for them on social media
and have a look. So that's in I think it's

(30:01):
christ Church, Wellington and Auckland. There'll be an opportunity to
go along for a day seminar, but we will get
a bit more information for that later on. But building sites,
it's happening. It's real and it is awesome. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Call Pete, good
morning to you.

Speaker 16 (30:18):
You're going to Pete goodness. Yeah, the good trip.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
We certainly did, thank you very much. But you know
what it's like with trips. You get back and you
go what was that all about, you know, like it
could have been a year ago and it was only
less than a month ago. So there you go.

Speaker 16 (30:34):
No, that's good. They just regarding those builders report. I'm
looking at our house now. I've talked about about that
prolific clanning stuff. So yes, an't it before I buy
the place? It's going to get a mortgage and stuff
like that on it. Sure, so what so there's better
report done on this place by the buyer that was
going to buy the place, but they decided now to

(30:57):
pull out of it, so there is a report done
on that. So I found out by the land agent. Yes,
that molific planning. They but they are happy with that report.
Those areas are okay.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
But who said that they were happy with the report?

Speaker 16 (31:16):
Are the land agent did right, But I'm not happy
with that.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I was going to say, if I had a little
bit of you know, soundtrack music, what I would have
is little bells that sound like alarm bells that I
could play in the background. But anyway, actually, just can
I quickly make a comment on building inspection reports. Most
of the time when you read them, what stated at

(31:43):
the bottom is that the building report has been commissioned
by this person ABC solely for their benefit, and they're
not typically done in order to be shared. Sometimes they
are where people will have a condition report done on
behalf of the vendor, which is then available to any purchases.

(32:07):
But I think for obvious reasons you should treat those
with a fair amount of caution. If you're not paying
for the report, how do you know the person's working
in your interest?

Speaker 16 (32:18):
You are dead right what I'm thinking, because I said
to the agent, I said, okay, but you say not
taking that report for brain of soul because it's you
will say. They're say, you know right now, well you
think it's okay, and she's actually a really good agent.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
She said, yeah, I'm not having got real estate agents.
But this is just general advice.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
I guess. So what are you going to do.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Now that you've so there's a building report that says
it's okay, but you've still got questions? Are you going
to commission someone to do your own building report?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well?

Speaker 16 (32:51):
I'm about to do that because basically I just thought,
well this is stupid. I said now that as I
said that the owner, now is that the previous buyers
a side to pull out of it? So I said
there's a report out there. Now I'm quite willing to
pay for her. I'm quite willing to pay for half
of that report. Why should I go and get a rep.
I can bring up that same company and say I

(33:16):
wanted to report that's already done on it. And basically
what the guy said was, well, we can't release that
report until that buyer has decided not to buy the place.
Then we will have to ask that buyer will I
can release that port? If they say, I understand they said,

(33:37):
they say no, it's the end of it.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
You get your report on.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, that sounds fair and reasonable, doesn't it. I mean,
in the end, if if you'll buy a b and
buy Ra commissions a suitably qualified person to understake a
prepurchase inspection, and they pay for that inspection, that inspection
report and the knowledge contained in it is the property
of buyer A. So buy RA decides, for whatever reason,

(34:03):
I don't want to go ahead with the building. If
if they agree that what they've paid for can be
on sold to somebody else, then I guess there's no issue.
But like you say, if they go, actually no, I
paid for it, and if you you know, why should
I give that away? Or why should he only get
half price. I want part of that or whatever. If
it's their decision, because they own it, right, they paid

(34:25):
for it.

Speaker 16 (34:26):
Oh, I definitely agree to that. There's one thing I
felt a bit funny about it was I said to
the guy, I got another guy that's going to do
the reporter. But I was got to do that anyway,
pretty much. If I ignore that, I'll get another guy.
I sort of know the guy, and I think he's
been done it for a long time. I saw, we'll go.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
I have to.

Speaker 16 (34:44):
Anyway because I'm just going to get a mortgage on
this place. And then I said, to regard that. I said,
but the guy that's gone thinking about doing the inspection,
I said that I pay for that report. But he said,
if we do the report, we have to disclose to

(35:05):
the agent that there is a fault with that place.
So well, before we get that agent like call it
all they see, Well, I have to tell the agent
there is a problem with this property. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I mean, look, I'm not going to say that it's
not right, but I'm to be fair. It's the first
time that I've ever heard that, and I would be
I might have to add this to my homework, Liss. So,
just to be really clear, what you're saying is that,
let's say I'm doing a building report on your behalf,

(35:41):
and I go to a house number twenty six B
Street or whatever it is, and I turn up there
and I go through it, and I find that there's
a significant issue with the roof and that it's leaking,
and so I include that in the report and I
give that to you. You're saying that I, as the
building inspector or pre purchase inspector, need to also inform

(36:03):
the real estate agent. I don't believe that that's true.

Speaker 16 (36:07):
No, I don't agree to that.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
The report, it's your information, it's got nothing to do
with the real estate agent. And in fact, I would
imagine that most real estate agents don't want to know
with the greatest of respect, so I think someone's pulling
your leg there.

Speaker 16 (36:26):
I can use that information as a bargaining tool, of.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Course, and if you disclose it to the agent, then
the agent their duty of care, as I understand it,
is to then disclose that to anyone else. If they
know something about the property, they have to say it.
But there's no requirement for someone to tell them something
that they know.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
No.

Speaker 16 (36:48):
That's that's why the.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Very interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Hey, keep us up to date.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
You're obviously very keen on this particular house because despite
the fact that everyone's telling you not to buy it,
it seems to your intent to buy it, which is
completely and utterly up to you. Keep us up to
date on that.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Actually I think I'm catching up with a real surgy
this week. I want to ask about that. Right, That's
another piece of homework that I've got to do. I
need to take a break. Then we'll talk to Brian
after the break.

Speaker 12 (37:19):
Sawdust, Sunshine and Solid Advice.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
The resident builder with Peter wolfcab call oh eight hundred
and eighty eight News Talks.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That'd be quick text about what we were talking about
with the disclosure thing, So someone's text through Richard, thank
you for your text. I believe the caller was referring
to the Real Estate Act, which is full disclosure. So
if a punter finds out something, the agent must disclose
it to all parties. Yes, I agree that's the case.

(37:48):
So if an agent finds out knows that there is
let's say, a fault to that building, they have to
disclose that and I agree with that, and I think
that's sensible. The issue that was talked about a moment
ago is that the person undertaking a building inspection independently
for a patent purchaser felt that they then needed to

(38:09):
disclose that information to the agent. I don't believe that's true,
so we'll continue to look at that particular issue, and
the disclosure one's interesting too. Again, going back a few years,
I had a very interesting, rather stern discussion with a
real estate agent who was sharing information that they had
no evidence for about the condition of a property, which

(38:31):
I felt was unfair. Anyway, we'll talk about that sometimes. Brian,
greetings to you.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yes, good morning, prete. How are you.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I'm good now. I'm just aware. I'm trying to get
better after however, many years of doing the show of
not crashing into the news, which is about two minutes away.
So if we end up taking a pause, that's okay
with you.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
Hopefully this is a quick one, go for it. The
recent legislative changes allowing the building of a standalone granny
flatter up to seventy squeers ken under that legislation, can
you do a seventy square meet extension? No, damn.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So it's quite clear that the building has to be separate,
and it should be separate by at least two meters.
And before you get funky and think right, what I'm
going to do is do a seventy square meter building
two meters away, and then I'm going to put a
little walkway in as soon as you join it in
any way, that'll be considered an extension. Extensions still require

(39:33):
a building consent that.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
Could have passed my mind that little terrace.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Look, and you know that this is exactly what we'll see, right,
We'll see people building up to seventy square meters adjacent
to their own buildings. They'll go, they'll get all of
the permissions, and then once all of the permissions have
been signed off, someone builds a path, and then the
path gets a roof on it, and then the roof

(40:00):
gets some walls and suddenly, magically, my goodness, look at
this little extension that I've built. But would then be
non compliant building as well, So it would be unwise
for people to do that.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Okay, well, well I appreciate that, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Your We've done well, We've done well, thank you, Brian.
You take no care all the best your news talks
there'd be. We're coming up news time top of the
hour at seven. If you've got a question of a
building nature, by all means, give us a call a
couple of quick texts with regard to ventilation. Hey, good
only for having a plug Brian from Balanced there in

(40:36):
christ Church Morning guys. One ventilation system you could be
looking at is like the midst of Bishi Electric Losne.
I've heard of those. Actually, it's a balanced pressure system
draws fresher in, removes the stale air, but also draws
energy from that through a heat exchange or I presume
these systems you can also incorporate in your wet areas.

(40:56):
I think we're going to get Storm, our ventilation expert,
back on the show in the next couple of weeks
to talk about negative pressure, balance pressure, and positive pressure
ventilation systems. There's a lot to learn in that space.
Back after the new Sport and weather top of.

Speaker 17 (41:10):
The AA.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Sorting those summerfixes before the barbecue crowd arrives, the Resident
Builder with Peter Wolfcab Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty
News talks that be a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Good morning, Welcome back to the show by the way,
Pete wolf Camp's my name, and you can call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Finding this discussion personally quite fascinating.

Speaker 18 (41:36):
So the.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Part of today's discussion has been around a comment made
by Pete who was talking about having had a building
report or knowing that there was a building report commissioned
on a property that he was interested in, but he
didn't commission the building report. A previous purchase or previous
interested party did, and then it was a discussion around

(42:00):
whether or not he could take that report, or whether
it could be he could pay for it, and the
et cetera, et cetera. And then there was a comment
that he made which was about a person doing pre
purchase inspections who believed that they then had to share
the results of that pre purchase inspection with the agent
who was listening the property. I don't believe that that's true.

(42:24):
So a couple of texts have come through, and I'll
just read them out and you can decide for yourself,
I would say, says this Texter. I would say, building
report results would have to be disclosed only if there
was a contract, and if it was a clause, then
selling people have the option to remedy the issue if
there was one, no contract, I don't think the sellers

(42:45):
have a right to know the outcome of the report.
I would agree as well. If a report is done
prior to a contract being signed, then no, I can't
see why you would share that report with the seller
unless it was part of negotiation. But then that's the
person who paid for the report, the prospective per sharing

(43:07):
that because they own it right, they paid for the report,
but it's not a third party, So that's part of that. Pete.
You need to disclose the report if you're using the
issue to cancel a contract, and you would need to
disclose the issue if you're using it as a bargaining call,
as you say the court, as you say the caller
wanted to Yes, But that would only be true if

(43:31):
you paid for the report. Again, the question that I had,
or the question that was raised, was a pre purchase
inspector feeling or being told that they had to share
the report with the listing agent. Again, no one's addressed
that issue. These things are true, but they're not necessarily
what we're talking about. Pete, real estate agent here, lovely

(43:52):
to talk to you, Andy, Not one hundred percent true
read the disclosure. For example, if there was a previous
meth contamination that now being cleaned, a previous shower that
had been repaired. I work on the basis of what
I want to know if I was buying the yes.
But that's only if you know about these things. You
don't have a right to demand to know these things.

(44:13):
I think Andy, with the greatest respect, anyway, this is
fascinating stuff radio or I think so anyway, we might
talk a bit more about bonds later on as well.
Right coming up to ten minutes after seven, Remember for
red client pass, he's on the road. Actually he's up north,
so he'd be dialing in at around eight thirty this morning.
Right through this morning, we are going to be talking

(44:35):
all things building construction of Very good morning to you, Sean, Sean,
greetings to you.

Speaker 17 (44:41):
Hi here you're goingday good, thank you. I'm just wondering.
I just heard you're talking about the OSHIV things before,
and yep, I don't know what, yeah, what are you're
heading on at the moment. But I've got to start
something off that I didn't really want to start off
because I went through a roof replacement, which she sort
of stared us in the right direction for a few

(45:02):
years back, oh thank you. And I hadn't that we
had so many leaks and I've been going up there
all the time, and I didn't really want to go
back up there. So I hadn't been up there for
a while. And when I say wow, I mean a few.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Years somewhere that typically hang out, is it?

Speaker 17 (45:18):
Well, yeah, And I sort of went up there about yes,
well over the winter time anyway, and climb right into
the back of the roof and I attic, sorry, I'll
lose my way here, and found that there was an
area that had sort of like it was sort of
quite damp up there. And then I, after going through

(45:39):
it all, I sort of noticed that, yes, I'm not
try I don't want to try to get technical, but
because I've sort of wound myself and I'm not with it,
and like I said, I really didn't want to start
this all off again. But you can't sort of leave
them once you find something again. And I noticed that
a lot of the area was it wasn't just one
sort of particular area. It was sort of damp on
top of the pearlins, you know, yes, just the top

(46:02):
of the very top edge of the pearlins seemed to
be like a damp, wet spot.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (46:06):
Now, when the roof was replaced, because it's not trying
to be smarter or anything, is it a skillion roof.
It's a flat roof, but it's like on an angle
at about ten degrees. Is that what you call skillion.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
No, skillion typically is where the roof is basically rafters
and the ceiling follows the pitch of the rafter. So
if you can climb in there, it won't be a
skillion roof unless you're very very thin.

Speaker 17 (46:32):
I noticed that the other day, so I thought, well,
that's where I've got that wrong. Yeah, he's got an
etick in it, but it's fire.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So it's a standard sort of trust roof of some description.
So there's a void there that you can get into.

Speaker 17 (46:43):
Yeah, you can get into it, but it's flat on
an angle and it drops down to nothing at the
western edge of it. Anyway, when they replace the roof,
they wouldn't put corrugated because it was slightly under ten degrees,
so they put that trim rob which I'll notice just
about else of their building now has got that is
what they call trim rib and it's got the big
flat tray section.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, like a standing scene.

Speaker 17 (47:02):
Yep, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I sort of thought
about wonder had something to do with that as well.
But also we used to have the old man built
a house, and we used to have that you're talking
about it. A while back. I heard the double sided
silver with a bitumen in the middle of it, bullet
bulletproof stuff which is on the sides of the house.
And they wouldn't leave that on because I asked them,

(47:23):
you know, can you leave that on? They says, now,
we've got to tear that off and replace it with
this real widow stuff. Oh, here we go. So I
got the I got the best of the best, which
was a fire retardant, which is a cover text thermocraft,
the white paper, which is sort of synthetic stuff or something.

(47:44):
But I got the best of the one, which is
the four oh seven. Now that seems that I wrung
them up, and they seem to say, I've got some
sort of system where the moisture will go through it
or other way. There's different topic where it doesn't let
moisture in or moisture through it. So I find that
that's damp underneath it, and it's like getting through that.

(48:06):
There wasn't any dampness with the corrugated and the old
double sided bulletproof silver paper, you know. And I also
did a temperature check a couple of weeks ago with
a thermometer because I put my head up in there.
This is cold up in the attic, and I put
a thermometer up in the attic, and it was about

(48:26):
sixteen degrees in the attic where it was about twenty
one degrees in the morning as the sun was coming
up in the lounge, and about twenty four outside, you know,
So there was quite a bit of temperature difference. But
it was dry up in there, because in the summertime
it still seems to be dry. I'm the question I
wanted to ask you is who are the people that

(48:46):
you should go to about an issue like that, because
sort of roofers were saying, well, we'll climb around the
outside of the roof and have a look at the roof,
and the outside of the roof is brand new because
yet clean and all that, and an HIV person will
just sell you an HIV And it's never had any
denting in the ceiling in fifty years for the rurogated,

(49:07):
and I wonder because the corrugated had more little ear
gaps through it and these big flat tray sections, and
it's getting this moisture building on this supposedly whizo paper
that's nodding and doing as good as silver paper, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean the paper that you know that you're referred
to is really good. There's a couple of things about it.
So and you know when you said, you know, we
shouldn't get too technical, the fact is we should get technical, right,
because that's where this is where the science kicks in, right,
in terms of vapor diffusion, in terms of ventilation, in
terms of due point, in terms of how that atmosphere works, right,

(49:44):
And it's a combination of a whole lot of factors.
So there's warmth outside, warmth inside, ventilation, moisture, moisture diffusion,
and all of those sorts of things. So there's a
possibility that there's you know, three or four things all
happening all at once in that roots space, and they're
all combining, and how they combined produces an outcome, and

(50:05):
if that outcome is moisture on the perlins, then there's
an issue there, right. So look Hopefully what they've done
is put the building, the roofing underlay on the right
way up right, because it's direction. Yeah, okay, So in

(50:25):
terms of understanding where where you might want to go,
what you would be looking for is someone who's interested
in building science.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
So that may not be with the greatest respect to
people that do house inspections. Are a person doing house inspections,
but it might be or it might be someone who's
a consultant around like energy modeling, or someone involved in
building science. Some building surveyors are heavily involved in that space,
others not so much, again with respect, but and it

(50:54):
would be sort of understanding the dynamics, right. It could
be as simple as maybe there is still a leak, right,
even new roofs might leak, or there's an issue with
ventilation in that space. So in many cases now we
would do a flat roof or a reasonably low pitch
roof like that, with a ventilated cavity batton on top

(51:16):
of the perlin to allow for airflow. So you might
have the rafters you're roofing underlay, then a ventilated cavity batten,
and then you're roofing on top of there. Which allows
for airflow, which allows for drying and also creates a
different environment in that space. So any condensation that's created
on the underside of iron, which will happen, hits the

(51:38):
roofing underlay and drains out, whereas in your case, you know,
maybe it's saturating the roofing UNDERLA shouldn't theoretically, but it
might be, and that's what you're seeing on the Perlin.
So I think if you're looking around in your area,
you'd be looking for someone who's involved, you know, super
home movement or building science.

Speaker 17 (52:02):
No, sorry that what they call it EECA or something.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, I mean ECA will have some really good information
on the website. But remember they're a government body that's
looking to increase energy efficiency and promote information about it,
and they do a fantastic job. But I'm not sure
that they've got I know some of their scientists and
they'd be amazing to have around in the same way
that I've met, you know, scientists and researchers working at brands,
and it would be wonderful if they did house visits.

(52:28):
But I can ask for us next time I see that.
I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (52:32):
Yeah, I wasn't trying to be smart, but I just
think it more ties me and I'm not than yeah,
and then I lose my way with it, you know.
And like I say, you get people with these products
of HIV and thing. They just want to sell the
product and stick it in the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
And I've read and that's okay, and that's their job.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Right.

Speaker 17 (52:48):
Sometimes you put vince in your attic and it can
make it even worse.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
What I would suggest if you leave your.

Speaker 17 (52:53):
Towel hanging outside overnight and you wake up in the
morning when they're all damp, you know, and I think, christ,
I don't want to put vins up there, which haven't
been for fifty years, and find that it's even more
moisture up.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
There, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, sure, you know. And again this is this is
really exciting space, or I find it exciting in terms of,
you know, we're getting way more technicque We've got far
more information about our how houses perform, right, we can
model them that we can understand how they perform, and
then you go, okay, So in this type of roof space,
maybe we do need to add some ventilation or maybe
the way in which all of those components were assembled.

(53:25):
If you assemble them in a different way, you'd get
a different outcome. You know, maybe it's an issue with
where the insulation. There's so much again, brands are doing
a lot of work around warm roofs and what they
look like and how they can help control moisture, et cetera,
et cetera. In terms of getting someone on site to
kind of give you some guidance and have a look

(53:46):
at it, I would be doing a bit of a
search around someone in your area who's interested in building science,
or maybe you go through to someone like the super
home movement for a recommendation. You could look for building
surveys who have an interest in building science, and there's
a number of them out there, and then you know
it's going to cost, but they'll be able to prove

(54:06):
you with some real evidence as to what's happening up there.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
Going to run.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Sure, thanks mate, and much appreciate it all the best
and let us know how you get on it is
nineteen minutes after seven. Will take a short break and
then we'll be talking with David.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
If it creaks, leaks, cracks or squeaks some is the
time to get a sort of call.

Speaker 12 (54:24):
Eight hundred eighty eighty. The resident builder with Peter Worlfcare
used talks be.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Your News Talk said be the lines are open, the
number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty David, good.

Speaker 14 (54:34):
Morning, Yes, good morning. Peter agreed. So, yeah, just to
touch on the seventy square meter dwelling and rule again,
do you know if it applies to rural properties or
the so called life sentence properties.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I've heard them call that. I believe they do. And again,
I think one of the things that has been you know,
the discussion has been sort of along lines of you
can build seventy square meetings, you don't need to consent,
and the implication being where you can do what you like.
The reality is you can't, right, So whatever you happen

(55:15):
to do, you will still have to comply with planning legislation.
The other thing that hasn't been talked about too much
is covenants in subdivisions. But you know, let's say you're
on a lifestyle block and maybe there's a covenant that
says there can only be a primary dwelling, in which
case you can't go against the covenant, Or if there

(55:36):
are other planning legislations that don't allow for it, I
would imagine that it has to comply. But in general, yes,
there's no seeming distinction between let's say rural and.

Speaker 14 (55:49):
Urban, right So, so basically is the planning is going
to be there.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Gup, Yes, and that will be the case all across
the country. So you know, let's say you're in an
older established suburb and you happen to have a quarter acre, right,
so you've got over a thousand squams of land. You
got plenty of spased to put a seventy square metera
dwelling on there. It can be two meters from the boundary,
it can be two meters from there. There's sufficient infrastructure

(56:15):
and so on. There shouldn't be any reason that counsel
would deny you the planning permission to do it. Or
maybe they will. We don't know because not many people
have tested it, given that it's only become law in
the last week or so.

Speaker 14 (56:32):
As your website or something to find that yep, so I.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Was reading some of it yesterday. The best place to
start is just the building dot gov dot NZ or
go to the INBIE website and there will be guidance there.
And there's been a number of sort of individual commentators
who have started to sort of publish summaries of it.
I mentioned Mike Blackburn last week. He's a building consultant

(56:57):
and commentator in christ Church. Like she had a bit
of a chat with him during the week. He did
a very good summary. You can find him on Facebook
for example. I know brands. Actually, what's interesting with Brands
is they're going to be releasing a set of sort
of code compliant building plans, so if you're interested in something,

(57:20):
you can see what's what's involved in it. But yeah,
there's there's information on the government website, so building dot
gov dot MZ has got guidance there.

Speaker 12 (57:29):
Right, Okay, good luck, thanks too much for all the
very best.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Take care. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We've got
lines free, call us now. I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Michael, good morning, Hello Michael. Oh, crikey, where's he gone?
What do I do? I am not a double clicked
the mouses plan up. I'm going to blame the technology. Well,

(57:56):
it works for a while. I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Why does the secondary
tiny home have to be two meters from the boundary
yet the prime is only a meter away. I would
imagine it's to do with the building the fact that
they don't need a building consent, so it's a bit
of a safety measure in terms of building control, to say,

(58:19):
if you make the building two meters from the boundary,
even if there's an eve or an overhang of say
three or four hundred, it's not going to infringe. It's
also you know, if you push the building away from
the boundary and you're limited in terms of the overall
height which is set out so the building can be
a maximum I think off the top of my head
of something like three point six meters high. You know,

(58:42):
three point six and a meter from the boundary has
quite a different impact on a neighbor than three point
six meters overall two meters from the boundary. So I
think it's a simple way of saying, we're just going
to make it two meters from the boundary and then
we don't have an issue with that, hopefully right he
oh oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Graham, good morning,

(59:06):
Good morning, that was quick, mate. We're not mucking around today.
It's no muck around Sunday, that's what it is today.

Speaker 19 (59:15):
Good wish get some sunshine. A few a few years
ago raung you about Vlux skylights.

Speaker 12 (59:22):
Yes, leaking, sure.

Speaker 19 (59:25):
Now what they someone came out and sealed one off,
but I don't know where they seal the other one.
But it's leaking again. I've got a very light leak.
The only way you know it's leaking. You can see
a wee bit of water on the ceiling glass.

Speaker 20 (59:39):
Yes, I took it off and.

Speaker 19 (59:43):
It's certainly leaking a bit with all the bloody Rhinigan. Yes,
but if you got someone in christ Chuch you knew that.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Deals with those.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Look, if it's a Thelux right, like an actual genuine Vlux,
then I would just give Velux a call. They will
have agents in christ Church, you know they're they're not
they licensed to them. I'm not sure Felux have got
their own team, but then there's often you know, they've
got their preferred installers. So if it was up here

(01:00:14):
in Auckland, I'd say you dring Google and he would
sort you out. But in christ Church, I'm not sure who,
but I would start with Felix and can I also
say that in many cases when these things leak, people think,
oh it's the Velux leaking, and nine times out of
ten it's the flashings around it, and that might be
part of the installation, it might be somebody else. So

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I have seen them installed, and actually mates of mine
send me pictures when they go to jobs and they go, hey, look,
someone said that it's the skylight leaking. And then we've
turned up and found that the roof for or whoever
has done the flashings completely wrong. And I've seen photographs
of the way in which some contractors are doing their

(01:00:56):
flashings and upstands and that sort of thing, and it's like, well, no,
wonder the damn thing leaks, or there's no flashing at all,
and they've just watched it up with silicon or something
like that. But you know, a suitably experienced and qualified
person could come and sort that out. Just talk to Elux.

Speaker 19 (01:01:13):
Well, what's your opinion of the lasting of them? Look,
I heard that they had given a bit of thirty
thirty five year life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
It's probably far in excess of what they're actually warranted for.
But yeah, I've seen them at thirty thirty five years old,
still working. Some of them might look a bit discolored,
you know, like the timber in the corners. You can
see a little bit of condensation or something, and that's
changed the timber. Again, I've seen some that have well
at least thirty five years old, which you know, hard

(01:01:48):
to complain about durability at thirty five years old.

Speaker 19 (01:01:52):
Yeah, well it's thirty five years when I built the house.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah, and you know, like it meets need some maintenance
and some repair. So maybe something's changed, or maybe a
seal has started to deteriorate or something like that. Again,
those are serviceable items, right and kind of yeah, but
I'm sure that can be sorted out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:02:18):
Well I was going to get up and have a look,
but they tell me I'm not allowed.

Speaker 12 (01:02:21):
To call it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And I would encourage you to listen to the sage
advice of those people that say, maybe at eighty seven
you stop climbing on roofs A hoy, lovely to talk
to you, Graham. I'm sure someone will sort you out
if they don't give me a call back. All the best.
It is seven thirty one here at news Talk zb

(01:02:49):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty or nine two ninety two.
We've had some great texts this morning, and some very
succinct ones about the real estate issue that was raised
earlier on so feel free to comment eight hundred eighty
ten eighty or nine two nine two back in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
A month, suns Out tools out. If your summer DIY
starts here and the resident builder with Peter wilfcare, call
eight hundred and eighty eight News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Indeed News talks B eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call just before we chat with Paul
this text and Hi Pete, how many of those seventy
squam meta granny flats can one build without consent? If
one has a large permeal section we do. We can
get o eyes the neighbors view with multiple seventy square
meter dwellings two meters from the boundaries, which we don't

(01:03:36):
want to but some people will have no scruples or care.
I understand that it is the legislation as it is
at the moment, allows for one. So let's say you've
got I don't know, you know, and people have them
one thousand square meters fifteen hundred square meter section and
an urban environment massive backyard that you mow. No, I

(01:03:59):
understand you won't be allowed to then plump down several
seventy square meter buildings. Without a building consent, it will
only be one. As my understanding, paul A, very good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Good morning Pete. Look I've spoken to you about this.
These weatherboards on my old villa or so, some of
them are cracked and some of them are rotten. So
what I've done is I've I've cut them out like
I've got a multi telling on my sort of got
a few sexes out and replace them with some remove

(01:04:35):
that my babyhead anyway, So I've painted her all now,
and I've filled the gaps and all that. But I
had this idea. Can I will I be able to
rip down some some of that cement billaboard m hmmm
for the same size as the weather board. I think

(01:04:57):
they're about two twenty by about twenty mill and so
rip down the villa board and put that over top
of the old weather board and just glue it with
some no more nails and then maybe runner you know,

(01:05:18):
like a nail gun over it. And then I can
go around and seal all the seal the gap with
some nomal gaps or some you know aidable ceilant, and
then paint it and it will look mint, it will
look brand new if I put that villaboard over those
defected looking old weather boards, do you think if I

(01:05:41):
could do that? And would that compromise any sort of
like you know, whether tightness of the building do you
think or should I just leave it and just that
with what I've got? So do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I have a very clear picture and what I've done. People,
I've had a sort of week where you know, it's
it's been a pretty tough whole week, so my patience
might be but short. But what you're describing to me
would look as ugly as all get out. And if
I was to go to a property and I'd seen

(01:06:18):
a repair like that, I know it's not a great idea.
What you could do if you wanted, if you wanted
to go down that path is simply like let's say
you've got a patch of rot that's not one hundred
millimeters long. You can cut it out, or for example,
you could try and treat the rot and then to
make it whether tight, you could do say a metal soka,

(01:06:41):
have a metal soka made and put that over one
of the issues. Look to be fair, what you're proposing
will look really ugly, right, and it won't work particularly
well because you can't see properly the junction. You possibly
get some condensation between the two surfaces, which is going
to accelerate the rot. And it's just it's not how

(01:07:01):
we repair weatherboards. So actually, there was some guys across
the road from me doing work on that house. They
simply cut out the weather boards, replace some of the
new one. That's the beauty of weatherboards, right, They are replaceable,
not like bluing. Yeah, and that's the best thing to do.
So I understand where you're coming from. It is an idea.
Let's be really clear, it's.

Speaker 11 (01:07:22):
Not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, appreciate the calls, take care all the best and
actually hang on, let me just grab my phone cause
me mate, Doogle, who I happen to mention, has flipped
me a quick text. Right, So, Graham, the guy to

(01:07:47):
talk to in christ Church is Pere Jacobson. So Peer
Jacobson look him up. Well, give us a call back
and I'll give you his number. I won't give his
number out on are So there you go. There's an
answer to the v Lux installer and christ Church for you.
Oh wait, hundred, So Graham, give us a callback and
I'll pass on that number and someone will sort you

(01:08:08):
out this week, I'm sure.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Jim, good morning, Yeah, good morning better. Yeah, I wonder
if you could give us a little bit of advice.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (01:08:17):
We've got a house here that we bought six years ago.
It's brick and tile house, built in nineteen eighty five.
And then when they put the building paper on in
the in the ceiling, in the in the on the roof,
they didn't put any netting under it. Yes, So now

(01:08:39):
some of the building paper has become brittle yep, and
it's breaking away now as far as I can imagine,
the only way to replace that would be to take
the whole roof off. Is that the only option.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
To do it properly? Yes? Is the short answer.

Speaker 18 (01:09:03):
Too?

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
Is that you know, is that going to be a
major problem to me? Well, well, I don't know, sell
a place.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Or or a couple of quick questions Jim. Rough, So
this is a trust roof with concrete roof tiles on it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
No, No, it's got dechromatic roof tiles on it, okay,
And they were installed in nineteen eighty five when the
house was built.

Speaker 12 (01:09:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so they look you know.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
They looking good order at Yeah, you know, there's nothing,
nothing wrong with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Them, yes, Okay, Then the roofing underlay is important, and
because if it does become brittle or it does start
to sag, then potentially any condensation that collects on the
underside of that dechromatic roof instead of running along the
roofing paper and out into the spouting, we'll find those

(01:10:02):
low spots and if there's a tear in that, then
you'll get the condensation collecting in that area and dripping
down inside the roof. So that's not ideal. I suppose
what you could do in terms of if you did
want to make a repair is to get some roofing
paper and sort of some roofing paper and there's like

(01:10:25):
a blue band that we often use to hold roofing
paper in place right to stop it sagging, and go
underneath the roof try and staple some new roofing underlay
underneath your old roofing underlay, and then tension that area
to take out the dip that's in there with some

(01:10:47):
of that blue tape. It's not a great solution, but
it's the better way. It's part of a solution otherwise,
Like I mean, look at is it actually causing a problem, Well.

Speaker 9 (01:11:01):
Not as far as I know. At the stage. You know,
it's not a it's not a huge percentage of the
area that it's coming off. Yeah, but I don't know
whether there's I haven't been up there to check whether
there's condensation dripping down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I'm sure, yeah, I mean, and if it is condensation,
it will only be a small amount. But if, for example,
there was a small leak and that leak happened to
be in the same area as where this paper is sagging,
then that's going to be a little bit of a problem.

Speaker 9 (01:11:35):
But any leaks, you know, have a problem. If I
have to pull our roof off, I've got you know,
panels up there as well, it's going to be a major.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Look, I guess. You know, when we're looking at repairs
like this, you've got a balance that it's a cost
benefit analysis, right, So if there's not an issue or
a significant issue, then you're not going to go because
we're talking a thirty forty thousand dollars a size minimum
right to do that, And you wouldn't take that roof

(01:12:10):
off and put it back on again. You'd take that
roof off and you'd replace it right, And that roof's
getting close to forty years, so it's some stage in
the next five to ten years you're probably going to
have to contemplate a reroof because it would have reached
the end of its serviceable life, in which case you'd
do it then. But I so you could undertake some

(01:12:32):
repairs in an area that's accessible by doing exactly that,
putting some paper under their attentioning it with some blue
strap and just dealing with that. But then I guess
eventually what you'll do is wait and either you or
the next owner will lift those panels off, strip the roof,
redo the roof, upgrade all of the building paper, hopefully

(01:12:52):
upgrade the insulation, and go from there. But I think
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:12:57):
Yeah, very good, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Lovely to talk with you all of this, mate, to
take care right. Oh, I'm going to take a break
because I need to dig out this number for Graham.
So again thanks to Google. He's my Aukland guy. So
that's Google from light Works. I'll give him a plug
as well, light Works lit WRX. He's probably busy enough,
but hey Google, thanks for that, mate, much appreciated. Oh

(01:13:21):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty we'll talk to Stephanie after
the break as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
From summer backyard jobs to big Rennolds. Let's talk it
through call OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The resident
builder with Peter Wilcab News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Seven eight at Newstalk said, B this text just in.
I've been listening to your show about minor dwellings having
no building consent. It's totally false news. You need consent
for all services, lim report. It's giving counsel to oversee
the building and put the responsibility back on the owner.

(01:13:55):
It's not false news, it's actually fact. So the proposed
legislation or not, it's not proposed, it's in now right.
The legislation will allow people to build up to seventy
meters without necessarily requiring building consent. There are still rules
and regulations around planning and so on, so you do
need to inform counsel, you need to present counsel with

(01:14:18):
evidence of compliance. You need to build in accordance with
the building code, but you may not necessarily require a
building consent. There is nothing false news about that. So
if you want to debate that with me, give me
a call. OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Stephanie.

Speaker 11 (01:14:36):
Good morning, good morning, How are you very well?

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:14:41):
Oh? Good, thank you. I just wanted to talk about
the roofing theme. Sure, because I live in a very
very well it's not my house, but they had to
get the house redone like the roof and it was
like roof and repiling that was built in the eighteen
eighteen eighty eight or somewhere like that. So it costs them,

(01:15:05):
like to something grand. And I'm like, how are people
going to afford that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
It comes along with home ownership, right, if you own
a house, you've also got to be able to look
after it.

Speaker 20 (01:15:20):
Yeah, I know, but that's what I'm saying. We're getting
pushed out of the system. No, no, who are who
are the biggest real estate owners in New Zealand? Would
I call it the things?

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:15:37):
Oh who are they?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Well, I don't know. People own their own houses, right,
lots of people own their own houses, is having and
the vast majority of New Zealand houses are owned by
individual Oh you have to say.

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
We're getting pushed out of the market. The house price
is about seven hundred thousand, Yeah, I would say, and
so you need one hundred and twenty thousand deposits and
what young people are going to get eight when I
was young, And.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Look, I'm not disagreeing with you around housing affordability. I
agree there are issues around housing affordability. But I also
think that we do ourselves at the service when we
tell our young people that they can't do it, because
I know you never.

Speaker 20 (01:16:22):
Come them they can't. I never say you can't. I
always say you can do what? Yeah, I never say
you can't. But what I'm saying is when I bought
my first house and I was oh, I think I
was sixteen seventeen, and my house was like eighty one
thousand dollars, so we only needed ten thousand and that

(01:16:46):
wasn't a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
But I would imagine that at the same time your
income would have been considerably less. So look, I would
wholeheartedly agree with you that I think that housing affordability
is out of whack at the moment, so we can't
afford it. There's a metric around household income or income.

Speaker 20 (01:17:07):
And our grandparents, our grandparents, our young ones are going
to have to be living all in the same house, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
That may well be part of the case. There are
is the beginning of some Well, look, actually, if you
look at the numbers at the moment, the best thing
that's come out of sort of the price fall and
the oversupply of housing is that the number of houses
sold to first time buyers is the highest it's been

(01:17:37):
for a number of years.

Speaker 20 (01:17:39):
But where are they from?

Speaker 11 (01:17:41):
Background?

Speaker 20 (01:17:42):
It does actually matter a little bit. You have to
be a little bit what's going on. Well, I'm not racist,
but I know I know what the background is. And
if you look up the phone book and if you
see more things than you see normal not normal, but.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Right, so you're deciding who's normal. Thanks very much. It
is seven fifty two and still'd be matteo Matte, Hello there.

Speaker 11 (01:18:10):
Good morning. The idea. I've got a roofing line. Question there,
I got up. I got a roofing ie, it's like
about twenty eight years old. On to them up a
roof on my house there and it's done. The rust
at the ends. I'm thinking, should I give a little
bit of aha, and I use a wire brush and
try some oil based painte to keep it? Keep it?

(01:18:30):
Thank you for another two years?

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Good look you're going I think if you if you
start to see rust the quicker you get onto it,
the better, right, So a little bit of oil, a
little bit of you know, hard work with a wire brush,
and then yeah it's it's getting a rust killed type primer.
So there's things like Armtech and other specific primers for
roofing iron.

Speaker 11 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I'm trying to delay both, trying to put a
pasta onto it because roof and eye is not held
not cheap. I wish it was, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah. Look, I think that you know, being vigilant around
your maintenance. So if you see some rust, deal with it.
Take a little bit of the rust off, apply some
specific primer that will have a rust kill element to it.
Apply a top coat that will extend the life. Ultimately,
most roofs need replacing it some stage, but you know,

(01:19:25):
care and maintenance will give you many many more years
of a route.

Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
Brush and then the oil based paint on it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Or like I did the other day, I no, no no.
I discovered a leak the other day in an internal gutter,
a genuine internal gutter, So I went up wire brushed
it and then used a product called Injuris, which is
a waterproof compound that you can apply directly over it,
and we've had plenty of.

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
That's what you're talking about there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, range, it's probably more expensive than that. There are
similar ones. I just happened to have some of this
available so that that worked. Look it's around, mate, it's around.
Good luck with that and a little bit of maintenance
and a bit of care all the best, right. I
think what we might do is if you don't mind

(01:20:18):
hold Wendy till after the break, because we are news
coming up top of the hour. This is a great text.
Hey Joe here from Central Roofing Room players a bit
of insight into the dechromastic roof tiles. Over the last
ten roofing jobs, we've seen a number of dechromatic tile conversions.
These roofs are generally reaching the end of their service

(01:20:40):
life now unless they've had extensive upkeep. So we're talking
about roofs that were laid let's say in the late seventies,
mid eighties. You know, I left school in the mid eighties.
I'd like to think it wasn't that long ago, but
it was. So they're getting on a bit anyway. These
roofs are generally reaching the end of their life now
unless they have extensive upkeep. Once the tiles begin to deteriorate,

(01:21:04):
they can develop small splits that allow water in, which
can be very difficult to spot. If a full roof
isn't an option, there are replacement tiles still available or
homeowners or they can call these guys. When replacing a
tile roof, it's important that the old timber, pearlins and
roofing paper are removed and that an asbestos test is

(01:21:24):
carried out. You're absolutely right, because some of that has
still got asbestos. And also when you're doing a reroof,
particularly on those ones that are the pressed metal tiles
often with the met ere the stones embedded in them
as well, the perlins are tuber ones, right, so you

(01:21:44):
need to remove or have those substituted by perlins that
are seventy five y fifty. So there's a bit of
work involved in doing the reroof. And our texter is
off to inspect some leaking roofs and I'm sure there's
plenty of those after the weather we've had this week. Right, Yeah,
we're back after the break, love chatting with you. We'll
talk after the news date.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Sawdust, Sunshine and Solid Advice The Resident Builder with Peter
Wolfcab Call eight hundred eighty eighty Youth Talk ZBB.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Right, Oh, good morning, Welcome to the show, or welcome
back to the show. If you've been with us for
a little while, if you're an early riser, or perhaps
you've just sort of got up and stretched, you stretched
and got ready for a new day, Welcome along to
the show. Mine, It's Pete wolf Camp. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you've got
a building question or a comment. You're more than welcome

(01:22:43):
to give a spell or to send me a text.
We've had some tremendous texts this morning. Lots of talk
about roofing again. I was at an event yesterday chatting
with someone who actually we were talking about the fact
that I remember the last time we spoke, their house
was impacted by the January twenty twenty three floods. So

(01:23:05):
we come up to the three year anniversary of those
Auckland floods, and of course we've had significant damage and
loss of life tragically as a result of the weather
over the last week. So we were chatting about that,
and he'd undertaken his family had undertaken fairly significant repairs

(01:23:26):
and upgrades to drainage, which thankfully was working. But in
the heavy rain this week again one window that hadn't
been attended to ended up leaking in this particular weather,
And so there's kind of a reminder that there's more
work to do, and I would imagine that lots of
us will have been in exactly that space. Quick texts

(01:23:47):
before we talk with Wendy. Hey, Pete, my gutters are
leaking in need replacing. Should I wait until I replace
the roof? Is it okay to replace the gutters now?
When they replace the roof, they'll keep the gutters thanks
from Helen. Helen, Yeah, there's no reason that you need
to wait to repl the roof to replace the spouting.

(01:24:09):
You could go ahead and do that. The only caveat
to that is unless when you replace the roof, the
roofing material is different, ie it'll be higher or lower
or something like that and impact on that transition from
the roofing into the spouting. But if it's if you've
got long run now and you intend at some stage

(01:24:32):
to replace the long run with the same material, then
replacing the spouting now won't have any impact on the
roofing in the future. So go right ahead, and it's
one of those things. Now, if we're considering roofing, spouting,
down pipes, and drainage, I think we've got to be
thinking about completely different types of weather events than what

(01:24:57):
we have done. So, you know, the square meterage, the
volume of the spouting, the actual physical size of it,
the location of the pipes, the number of down pipes,
the size of the down pipes. I think a lot
of these things were found to have been not big enough,
not sufficient to cope with the sorts of downpaws that

(01:25:17):
we're getting, and then we're getting more surface flooding. But also,
of course if we capture it and direct it to
the storm water system, then you do so in the
hope that the storm water system itself is able to cope,
and arguably in Auckland anyway, it's not because pretty much
every time we get reasonable amount of rain, there's no

(01:25:38):
swim notices at the beach. I went down for a
swim a couple of weeks ago after some heavy rain,
and someone was coming back from the beach and said,
you know, there's a notice and I'm like, ah, well,
I didn't until now, but still going for a swim.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:25:59):
to call and let me see you know it's tidy
my screen up. But Wendy a very good morning to you.
Hello Wendy now of lost her and I don't know how,
probably my own incompetence, but Wendy gives a callback that
would be wonderful. And again thanks to those people who

(01:26:20):
text through gutters replacing, So yes, you can go ahead
and do that. There morning. Leonard here says the Texter
Good Show. Bought my house twenty years ago, now preparing
it for the market. In early twenty twenty seven, bought
a limb. Who's that one?

Speaker 11 (01:26:36):
Gone?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Bordalim. The only concern is the planning section that has
an unauthorized or unauthorized alterations to the dwelling. What's the
best way to approach this? Do I ignore it and
let buyer beware or investigate with Auckland counselors to the
issues and then remedy. What would your advice be? FYI?
The property file shows that's had two building reports which
were passed in terms of being well built, safe and sanitary,

(01:26:59):
and the reno improved the structure. Okay, that's getting a
little bit complicated. If there is a note from or
saying that there are unauthorized building alterations or unauthorized alterations
to the dwelling, I would go back to them and
get some more information on that. Then, if you want
to tidy that up from a legal point of view
or a building consent point of view, typically you would

(01:27:21):
engage a building survey who could then do who could
apply for a certificate of acceptance. That then wraps up
the legality of that work and put it to market
with that. Because certainly properties that are going to market
with unauthorized building works, banks are less willing to lend,

(01:27:44):
and insurers potentially have some questions around ensuring properties where
there's unauthorized work. So I think the answer is get
it sorted out. Wendy, you're back with us. Thank you
for calling back.

Speaker 10 (01:27:56):
Hi there, Oh, hello, your last caller with regards to
spouting and moving. That answered some of my questions. I've
just had some repairs to spouting and people told me
there's some holes in the roof, and I'm trying to
work out whether or not they could be patched up
and have a roof feeler put over it, or whether

(01:28:16):
I need to go to reroof. But is there any
any firms do both? Is anybody going to give me
a really honest opinion on that?

Speaker 9 (01:28:26):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
From a technical point of view, I've had a number
of discussions with people around the efficacy, let's say, of
putting a sealer over the top. Yes, there are instances
where it can be done and where it'll be successful.
There are other instances where potentially it's contributed to decreasing
the lifespan of the existing roof by applying them. So

(01:28:53):
and again, if I partly my approach has been in
some instances I would I would undertake a patched repair
or a targeted repair to a bit of roofing iron
that's showing decay and order to give some time before
the roof needs replacing. But in some cases roof replacement
is simply required right it's reached the end of its

(01:29:16):
serviceable life, so an independent contractor. My sole piece of
advice on this would be, if you're going to engage
a contractor to look at roofing, make sure they're a
member of the Roofing Association of New Zealand so r
n Z. If you're going to get someone, go to
their website, find a contractor, and I think there's a

(01:29:40):
higher level of confidence in their opinion if they're a
member of the Roofing Association. That's where I would start.

Speaker 10 (01:29:49):
Okay, it's got an iron roof on it at the moment.
If it did need to be replaced, would one go
to long run or just replace a corrugated iron?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Well, corrugated iron is long run, So long run is
a way of describing a roofing material that's roll formed in. However,
whatever length you want, right, whatever the profile is is well.
The profile might have an impact depending on the roof pitch.
But let's say if it's anything above say ten or
twelve degrees, you can use any profile that you want.

(01:30:24):
Some profiles, so like a corrugated profile that's true oak,
which has a higher rise in it. That's better for
low pitch roofs. I like it for any roof but
that's a personal preference.

Speaker 12 (01:30:37):
What was it?

Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
You could you repeat that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
There's a corrugated profile called true oak. True oak, and
it's a little bit more like corrugated dime used to
be one hundred years ago, right, So it has a
steeper profile, it's got a larger depth, a deeper depth
between the ridge and the trough on the profile and
so on low pitch roofs, it holds more water, so

(01:31:02):
it's more suitable for low pitch roofs. It's also, in
my opinion again stronger because of the engineering of it.

Speaker 10 (01:31:10):
Okay, the problem is there's properties in the area that
will probably need to be you can be building high
rise places on it because of where it's close. So
that's why I was looking to see whether or not
it's going to be a petchable up option for a
few years or not. Do you think that if I

(01:31:32):
can find somebody on the rooting association to give me
their honest opinion, that would be the way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yeah, And I mean you know these things are often
you know, when we look at repairs, and especially extensive
repairs like a reroof then you go, Okay, if it's
my home and I tend to be here for fifteen
twenty years, or I'm going to sell it and I
want to maximize the value, then it's worth the investment.
But in your situation of what you're saying is you know,
potentially the house to be sold and it's going to

(01:31:59):
be removed, then you don't want to repair that's going
to last for thirty years, when the house might not
be there in five, in which case do a targeted repair.
Use something like Injuris which will last for twenty years.
But you could use that or use another product. Get
yourself the five years you need and move on.

Speaker 10 (01:32:18):
Yes, if I've had five years would be fine. So
if I just try and contact the Roofing Association to
find out the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Name of yep, I'll tell you what. If you stand
the line, I'll give you a number of a guy
that you could talk to. Oh plenty down the line.
We'll take a short break and I'll find a number
for you, Dave. We'll be talking with you straight after the.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
You News Talks. It'd be actually quick. We've talked a
little bit about the granny flat thing, which I do
wish there was a better phrase or the phrase that's
used often as simple standalone dwelling or SSD. But I
guess we all know what a granny flat means, Hey, Pete.
Granny flat legislation makes no mention of geotechnical or engineering
requirements for foundations as it would for normal consent application.

(01:34:20):
What do you think is that a gray area? See,
I'm not so sure that it doesn't. I think that
as part of your compliance pathway, you're going to have
to provide evidence that your foundations are going to work.
So just because you don't need a consent doesn't mean
you have to not prove compliance. You will, and I
think that's where the geotech will come in. Try and

(01:34:41):
get a few more texts in a minute.

Speaker 14 (01:34:42):
Either.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
This is a great one too. Here's a question if
one build a covered walkway between the house and a
seventy square meter minor dwelling or standalone dwelling, but left
a week gap either side, would that be legal? I
think then you have to look at intent, right. The
intent is effectively to join those buildings together, and in
that instance, again, those sorts of buildings should have a

(01:35:04):
building consent. This comes off a back of a an
earlier call from someone who said, well, look if I
do a seventy square meter SSD in the back yard
and then I go and build a little walkway between
the two of them. You know, walkway fine, but walkways
tend to end up with roofs on them, roofs end
up with walls attached, and then suddenly it's part of
the dwelling. And I think that work requires a building consent.

(01:35:28):
Radio Dave, Good morning to you.

Speaker 18 (01:35:31):
Yeah, good morning, Peter, Peter. I've got I've got a
lock with that I want to brighten up. And I've
got a friend with one that said, the ceilings painted white,
and it's so much lighter and brighter. But the painting
is quite an ordeal. It's it's not something that's done
in a day. There's a best of the sanding, there's

(01:35:52):
got to be ceiling, and the whole thing is ends
up to be quite disturbing and expensive. Now I remember
old enough to remember there used to be a thing
called piecks.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Tiles, yep, and I'm old enough to have installed them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
Study you go, and of course being a lot with
they don't it wouldn't require batons. They could go straight
onto the onto the to the to the ceiling, I imagine.
But they're not available anymore. And is there an alternative today?

Speaker 7 (01:36:30):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Not in the same way of you know, the the
pine x ones, which were like a wood fiber what
three hundred by six hundred or something like that, and
you Shivers have done them a couple of times anyway,
Just just looping back to your first comment around. Okay,
so you've got a timber ceiling which has had some
polyurethane on it, and it's quite a process to do it,

(01:36:52):
that's true. But having done it myself not too long ago,
like you don't need to send all of the polyurethane
off right, So effectively, you've got to give it a
thorough clean, get de glosset with some sandpaper, so little
random orbital sandpaper, whip over it with that, just knocking
the gloss back, and that allows to sort of open

(01:37:14):
up the poll to allow a seal it like a
smooth surface ceala or something similar. We were talking about
it with Bryce from Razine last week on the show.
You apply one code of that, you apply a code
of pigmented seala, and then you're onto your top coats.
So while it's disruptive, I would have thought that it's
actually less route work than what you're describing by adding

(01:37:35):
a whole new ceiling lining to the underside. So I'd
sort of gird your loins, turn the radio on, paint
the ceiling.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
Okay, okay, if you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Looked at how many hours of work and how disruptive,
I reckon, get stuck in with the painting and it'll
be done in a quarter of the time than your
other solution if you could find a similar product.

Speaker 18 (01:38:02):
Okay, okay. It's just that the painters I've spoken to
haven't really suggested that they've sort of gone into what
an ordeal it's going to be preparing it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, and they're not wrong. I'm not saying that there
isn't some preparation, but like I did it on a
project four or five years ago, and so it was
it was a remove ceiling. In this instance, it had
been poly you're athaned, Remove's fine, but it just wasn't
the look we were after. So I had it with
a sander, gave it back in those days. Smooth surface

(01:38:36):
cellar is an updated product now from Razine. And then
we painted it and I was actually looking at it
yesterday it looks absolutely fine. So I would do the painting.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Did you just deal with a roller in a brush?

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yep, simple as good luck, take care, Thank you all
the best, and paula quickly comment from you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Good morning, good morning, good question.

Speaker 15 (01:39:01):
We're putting a new roof on and we want to
check a couple of solitudes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
And oh yeah on the wreck, right, do we.

Speaker 15 (01:39:09):
Do that at the same time as the roof's going on,
because the advice we've been given is put your whole
new roof one and then we'll come around and cut
it all open and put the solitudes on, which sounds
a bit odd to me.

Speaker 12 (01:39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Interesting, Geef Google's listening, he would give me the answer.

Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
Look, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Think what you want to know is when you do
the reroof, you want to know exactly where your solar
tubes are going to go. So, for example, if I
was doing it, I'd go, Okay, this is where it's
going to go. So I'm going to put a peerlin
just above and just below where that opening is going
to be. And typically when they install the solar tubes
or some sort of roof tunnel type device, they'll cut

(01:39:54):
through the iron and then install a flexible flashing. But
if there's some additional support around it, that would be better.
The other thing is that I guess if if you've
you know, if they've done a re roof and they've
added they've put new roofing underlay, and then you're going
to cut through that. Then you don't have an option

(01:40:15):
perhaps of ceiling the roofing underlay to the penetration, in
which case, now you've got whatever's above that roofing underlay.
If any moisture is on there, it's going to drip
down with the tubers. So in that sense, putting the
tube in before the roofs arrive, they won't like you

(01:40:35):
because they got to cut a hole in exactly the
right place, But it might give you the opportunity of
sealing that roofing underlay, which I think would be an advantage.

Speaker 15 (01:40:44):
Yeah, that's my biggest concern, and I just don't see
the logic because the Solitude people with the trademark or
whatever it does they have are saying no, no, no,
we can on after it, and I think there's a
ridiculous Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yeah, thankfully mate Doogle is listening and he's come back
to me and said, depending on the roofing generally yes so.
And also it also means the scaffolding will still be up,
so that's why they come and do it straight after
the roof gets laid.

Speaker 15 (01:41:14):
Okay, thet all right, but they're two different companies right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Probably, yes, it will be yeap, yes it is okay,
good luck and hey, look I put one in in
our oh gee, when I did my roof twenty odd
years ago into a space where it's a walk and
wardrobe that has no exterior windows, and it's been great,
so I don't think you'll regret it. Oh you're a

(01:41:39):
thank you, lovely talking take care all the best right
that brings the building to a conclusion. It's been fantastic
And I was going to say, please excuse, but I
don't know why I'm saying that. I love the fact
that that people that I know, you know are able
to text me directly with some answers as well, So

(01:42:01):
thank you for doing that and providing some advice or
some recommendations for contacts around the country. So we've been
able to find a Elux installer in christ Church. We've
had a bit of a gas about roofing products here
in Auckland. Happy to help. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number, not for building anymore. We're into
the garden. A rid climb past is on standby and

(01:42:22):
we will be talking with him directly after the break.

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