Full Show Podcast: 26 April 2026

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for April 26, 2026, Pete talks about removing paint from a concrete path, a guide to guttering, and answers your questions about handling moisture.

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Speaker 5 (01:48):
Very very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident
Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pet wolf Camp, the
Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk all
things building and construction. So if you have a project,
perhaps that well you've started, that's going well and you
just want to sort of chat about it and chew

(02:09):
the fat and talk about a few things that you
could do better or could make some changes. We can
do that, or in the event that most projects, i think,
especially when they're prompted by necessity, let's say, rather than opportunity,
where you kind of go, look, I've just got to
get this faxed, right. I've noticed that there's some musty spell,

(02:31):
or I've noticed that there's a little bit of water
that trickles in here. I've noticed that there's a bit
of mold that's growing on the wall. And then you
open it up and you go.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Oh, CRIIKEE.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Didn't think it was going to look that bad. And
to be fair, that's been my week, right, and we'll
go into that a little bit more detailed later on.
But it's been a very interesting process pulling apart something
that's in this instance, it's about twenty years old. So
most of the projects been driven by just a desire

(03:04):
to change the space around, but quite interesting pulling apart
things that are twenty years old. This is actually something
that I built twenty years ago, and we're just making
some changes. But watching the way in which you exposed
pieces of timber have decayed or showing signs of decay
at a faster rate you know, looking at I guess

(03:26):
different ways of building even twenty years ago than you
might do today, and then thinking about things that I
guess I'm aware of and the sector is aware of
today that we would do differently in terms of ceiling
things or air tightness, or the way in which you
might hang a door or something like that. That's pretty

(03:46):
much the same. I have to say. Twenty odd years ago,
I'd never consider screwing a door jamming. Everything was pretty
much hand nails, whereas today much more use of screws.
So just little subtle changes like that. It's been an
interesting old week, and including one of my I've done
this for many years, often with things like laundrys, bathrooms

(04:08):
or not so much bathrooms, laundries, kitchens and some I'll
often leave a copy of the newspaper somewhere, tucked away,
maybe in a behind a cabinet or something like that,
so that somebody later on pulling it apart, might discover it.
One of the boys came out during the process this week,
or during the job this week. I mean, ah, here's
the newspaper twenty third of May two thousand and six.

(04:30):
Funny thing is it had Destiny Church on the front page.
But anyway, it was the Herald of the twenty third
of May two thousand and six. Don't worry, we've jumped forward.
It is, in fact the twenty sixth of April twenty
and twenty six. Now you do kind of go, gee,
where did those twenty years go? It's also the day
after Anzac Day, and I know that the show has
absolutely nothing to do with Enzact Day in a sense,

(04:52):
but I do want to acknowledge it.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
It was.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
It was a beautiful day yesterday walking down to the
local parade organized by the RSA and Devenport yesterday and
just watching I walk down and then watching people. You
could see, you know, mum and dad with the kids
on a bicycle heading down, people just leaving their houses
walking down to the main street to watch the parade
and then be part of the service, which was really lovely.

(05:17):
And then of course we had the Harvards flying over,
and because Devenport's the naval base, obviously a large contingent
of young people who have joined and are in either
training or their early days in their career, and I
think there was another service from abroad, judging by the
uniforms that were also part of the parade today. So

(05:38):
if you commemorate it and if it means something to you,
and I think it does for many many of us,
then I hope you had a really good Anzact day.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We're talking all things building in construction this morning on
the program. Given it's a long weekend, I haven't invited
any guests onto the show, so no particular experts apart

(05:59):
from you, and well, I'll ever crack at it as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a
question about a project that you might have started that
perhaps is going to increase in scope, maybe a little
bit more complexity there. And maybe it's also around different
materials that are available today that you may or may

(06:20):
not be aware of, or different materials that you've seen
someone you go, oh, I wonder if I should do that.
One of the jobs this week was pulling out a
door from its existing location and moving it to a
different location within the same building. So in doing that,
rehanging the door, which gosh, it's a I was gonna

(06:43):
say it's an ass, it's not. Actually, it's quite nice work.
It's an older entrance door right So it's a sort
of in the villa style in a wooden frame wooden door.
It used to open left hand hung. It now had
to become a right hand hung door, which means taking
the door out, taking the hinges off, taking the hinges

(07:03):
from one side of the door, and reinstalling them on
the other, taking the door lock out, reinstate, and I've
got round to that, but yet reinstating that on the
other side of the door, and then of course patching
that up because I wanted to recycle and reuse the frame.
So where the hinges were, the little rebate that you
create for the hinges, you know, some patches in there,

(07:25):
glue that, clamp it, let it set, trim it down,
reprime it, put it all back together. And there's a
There's a magical thing I found about doors is you
can take a door off, put it down for a
little while, do whatever you're doing, and when you go
to put it back on, it doesn't fit. There is

(07:46):
just some weird alchemy that happens, some weird you know,
I don't know, pixies or something that come out just
make subtle changes to the door and you go it fitted.
There I've taken it off and I put it back,
and it doesn't fit anymore in the way that it
used to. Anyway, I got lucky, I suspect and taking

(08:06):
the hinges off one side, putting them on the other side,
cutting them into the door. Fine, cutting them into the frame.
That should be relatively fine, but you've got to remember
to add a couple of millimeters at the top, otherwise
it's going to bind. Popping the door into the opening.
Job done, well, not quite actually job done. It's in
the door locks, not on. There's no facings on it yet.

(08:29):
So we got some perf rod yesterday, got a bit
of foam. We'll get the door and do the perf rod,
do the facings, do the scribers. Criky Old houses are
a lot of work. So if you've got a big
job on and you want to talk about it, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is fourteen minutes after six right through till nine
o'clock this morning. Rudd will join us as always at

(08:50):
eight thirty this morning as well. On this well, it
feels like a regular weekend, but tomorrow it'll feel like
a long weekend because tomorrow technically day off not for me.
It's good weather. I'm going to keep building. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty the lines are open for you
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Speaker 7 (10:43):
Hey, great show, Thank you Chapolic. Quick questions. One, I've
got a concrete path that the past had been painted,
all the paints wearing off. Yeah, as anyway where I
can kind of resurface that without getting down the paint option?
Or am my best to go?

Speaker 5 (11:02):
How big is the path?

Speaker 7 (11:04):
Not that big? Is the two areas? There's one yeah,
this one sort of leading up to the front door.
Yep uh, and then one at the back door. That's the.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Way painted?

Speaker 8 (11:21):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Is it sort of in that like stippled effect that
was very popular in the nineteen seventies and so on?
Or is it like literally a standard concrete path with
a broom finish that's had a coat of paint applied
to it.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah, the letter okay interesting, but but out out there's
sort of sort of entrances going out a number of
doors and some of it others sort of got a
I don't know, it's like a concrete it's got a
pattern in it, and I'd probably do that at the
same time. Those sort of two two issues. Really, one

(11:56):
is the terrorist areas that have sort of got a
like pattern in the concrete that's been painted. But the
main one is sort of out the front where it's
you're being painted, right.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
I mean, the challenge with it is because it's being painted,
you know that that paint will you might be able
to remove a certain amount of the top. You know,
you could water blast, but there are challenges with that
as well. But in the end there's always going to
be a little bit of residue. So it's not like
you can get a clean finish unless what you went,

(12:35):
you know, you went right over the top in a
sense and just ground the surface off.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
What I was thinking, it's not that big area. I thought,
maybe I can get some kind of dusk like polishing
type disk you just.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Get a well, I mean, concrete grinding is not uncommon
these days, so you get diamond discs that go onto grinders.
You want to make sure you get a little shroud
around it with some extraction as well, but it can
certainly be done. Not the world's most pleas job. You
can actually get big grinders that you hire like a

(13:13):
floor polisher, but it doesn't polish, it just rips the
top off, so the big commercial ones as well. The
only thing I guess with that is you will end
up with a quite a smooth surface, which might be
okay as long as it doesn't become too slippery for you.
And then once you ground it then you can do

(13:36):
like a clear seiler over the top and that's job done.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
They're thinking maybe going down that track.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
I wonder whether in the end that would have a lot.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
To lose A worst case yes, sure, as I have
to as I end up having to paint it. But
it's kind of one of those last jobs on the house,
you know. I've sort of done a lot in the
house to doing it up, and it's it's quite a
nice place that's come up quite nicely.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
I would go the grinding route, and you know, and
probably like you've always got that option of kind of
you know, having a smaller grinder and kind of cobbling
it together or just go out down a highpool somewhere
like that and a higher a concrete grinder. It'll have
you be able to spray water onto it. So that's
your dust suppression sorted.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
Out, yep.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
And then.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Yeah, it would give you anything. You might just need
to get a small grinder to do nooks and crannies
and corners and things like that, but it could give
you quite a nice it's sort of like that semi
industrial feel to the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Might might give that a go because it's not that
bigger area. And the second question I've got is can
you get like a stacco rough cast type of feat
like firebro or the reason why it's at the front.
I've got a fence that it's got like pillars between

(15:08):
and the rest.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
He's got seats between, yes.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
And.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Yeah, three of those need replacing, right and it's kind
of a stacco type surface.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
So can you buy sheets like that or do you
have to.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
The sheets that you've got at the moment, are they
attached to some framing or are they just standing? Are
they're on some framing? Okay, so it's basically a five
er cement sheet as a substrate that you're after. Yeah,
you can buy five ment sheet whether you want six
smell or nine mil or twelve mil, whatever you need.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
And does it come with like a stacco finish?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
No, No, the stuck you finished. It is applied by
hand afterwards.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
So okay, so I have.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
To apply the staco finished to a fiber sheet.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yep, okay, all right, sounds like great job. Yeah, okay,
you might do what I'm doing tomorrow, which is just
carry on working.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Yeah, you're just a passing. When I I was wrapping
up a carpet a number of years ago with my
son and found the seventies newspaper.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, I quite like it as a tradition, and I've
had the same thing on different projects over the years.
You opened something up and you know, the carpenter's written
their name on the wall or something like that, and
then gosh, it was a couple of years ago and
an architect that I know contacted me and said, hey,
look does this look like you're handwriting? And sure enough,
it was a project that I did about it might

(16:35):
have been twenty five years ago, maybe thirty years ago,
an alteration to a place in Grayln and someone else
was working on it and with myself and I think
it was Dan Mate who was working with at the time.
We'd written our names on the wall before whacking the
jib board on and sure enough they pulled it out
and there was like, there's my name and a date

(16:57):
on it. So I think it's a great thing.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
Yeah. I think my son's comment was that he couldn't
believe how sense of things were back in the seat
comparatively really, you know, because of because back then you
had New Zealand companies making stuff.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
With tariffs, right sure, So yeah, it.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
Was his comment straight off the bat.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
He uh, interesting and ye know.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
I mean, of course things are more expensive to comparative.
He thought things would be a lot cheaper. Said, oh no,
no it was you know, we made shoes, but the
tariffs on the one.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
I will let you go ahead, nice to chat with you,
take care out.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I eight hundred eighty ten expensive. I haven't got the
invoice yet for the replacement weatherboards, but I'm not looking
forward to that either. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you're doing a project
and maybe you're going to take advantage of the long
weekend and some relatively stable weather as well. I think
tomorrow for the well, certainly for the northern part of

(18:00):
the country, looking not too bad. And to be fair,
with winter coming and now, it's not really the greatest
time for me to have started some outdoor maintenance and
some painting. But if it's good weather and the temperature's right,
then that's what I'll be doing tomorrow as well. Six
twenty seven at Newstalks, CB will talk to Jane in
just a.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
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Speaker 5 (18:35):
Text that's come through ninety two ninety two was ZBCB
is the number for the text. By the way, good morning, Pete.
I think it was last week you were talking about
bathroom extraction fans fun fact, Orkan Council Noise Control Compliance
received a complaint that their neighbors fan woke them challenging
makes you appreciate the little things. Thank you. Very much
for that. Yes, that seems a little over the top,

(19:00):
doesn't it. I'm just wondering whether I tell the story
about being subject of an all complaint. Maybe not right
he six thirty one your news talks, you'd be we're
talking all things building and construction. I'm guessing that a
number of you are probably looking at tomorrow's opportunity for
an extra day off. Going right, I can get you know,

(19:20):
a little bit of good weather. We know winters on
the way. Now might be the time to do a
little bit of extra painting, a few touch ups, or
get up and clean out the spouting, these sorts of
practical tasks around the house. So give us a call.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. Hello Jane, Oh.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Hello Pete. Thank you for taking my call this morning.
I have a bit of a problem, might be a
bit of a big problem. I'm not sure.

Speaker 11 (19:45):
I think not.

Speaker 10 (19:48):
Mid January there was the storm yep and I never
play on insurance, but I thought, oh, I had like
an upside down jurnefish on the roof, on the ceiling,
on the ceiling in my lounge never came through right
by the PA. And of course what happened. Was the

(20:08):
water receded or whatever, and I was left with this
crinkly lead paint, you know, like an old lady's neck,
and so that was left there and I couldn't have that.
I sort it, so I thought right, and a friend
of mine said, oh, calamb an assurance.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
I said, well, for.

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Twenty years, I haven't. I thought we'll blow it. I'm
hung on them. So I did it, and they came
and put the little do deck in, saying up to
check the water. Yes, yes, you know. So then I thought, okay,
I've got to find out where the heck it's coming from.
So I thought, okay, I got these really good company out.

(20:48):
Can I say the company.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
I don't mind.

Speaker 10 (20:51):
Oh, well, it's New Zealand Water Proving Specialists. They were great.
They sorted out my deck. I didn't know that there
was a join in the middle of the buttinole, he said,
the butt and I was in good neck and he's
there was a join that wasn't anyway, so he put
this kind of I'm sure I don't really know. A

(21:11):
membrane typed them all over the top of the vitanol
and it's not there's no through traffic.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
Up there.

Speaker 10 (21:18):
I just thought it there met a coffee and keppy thoughts,
and so I so he sort of that out, and
then I got a plumber and he put a spreader
on the dampipe that was it was like a fire hose,
and so he put it spreader on. So sort of that.
And then my darling son came and gunged all over

(21:41):
the place anywhere where he thought it might be degunged. Okay, fine,
And then we had a lot of rain and nothing happened.
So I thought, right, I'm all.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Good sorted, Yes, I thought so.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
That the people came and they sorted it out, and
they got a lovely roof. Now it's dark at the moment,
but oh yesterday and oh no, i'll tell you. And
I'm jumping about down in the stair way. Then I
look up and you go up the stairs. You're looking
at the stairs right well after that January thing. And

(22:18):
I was sorting out this messy. I hate this, and
you know, I looked up and I was with about
them between the wall and the ceiling the stairway going
up near the top that must have been, you know,
from that January. And so I said, oh, it's not
much I'll leave it next door of rain. Will it
doubled in size? I said, Oh, so, I thought, right,

(22:42):
I'm going to do insurance again because the people who
thought it were so good. So I got the insurance people,
you know, it's the same ones, and it came out yes, yes,
there's water there, you know. And I got this other company.
We're going to come and wasn't real yet. They're going
to come and sort out the door.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Have a look at it all that.

Speaker 10 (23:01):
I'm some sort of membrane.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
Over the tile and we're over there because it's actually.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
On the roof.

Speaker 10 (23:06):
I just hope it doesn't look like a patch. But anyway,
either way, it's going to be done. Got to be
sorted because I don't know where it's coming in. So
remembrane over the whole lot will sort it, he thinks,
we hopes is.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Quick.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Cople questions, Jane, so is all of your roof a
beautant old roof or is there sections of putinol on
the flat parts and then some long runner iron for example?

Speaker 10 (23:34):
No, it's concrete tile, right, Okay, Anyway, he's while, he said,
while I'm here, I'll just check with this little doo
decky thing.

Speaker 12 (23:43):
The leak.

Speaker 10 (23:44):
He said, oh, it's quite a bit of moisture up there,
and then he checked all round and he went up
and I couldn't see where it might be coming in. Well,
well we've got to sort that because if it goes molduous,
but we have reliable Well, I can't see anything. There's

(24:05):
no water remark on my lovely ceiling, which is now beautiful.
And so I went after bunnys and I got a
little blue decking scene. What is my moistmet And I
climbed up and I put it on the ceiling and
I got eight point eight and I think there is

(24:28):
damp but it's not. Now what do I do? What
do I do? Do I hit? The insurance guy said, well,
we're going to have to cut that, find out where
the moisture is. Put our power hose. I'm thinking nothing,
but put the hose, all water blasts whatever, all up there,
and and of course it's going to come. And if

(24:52):
they've got a water blaster.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
The challenge was something like a moisture meter, is that
you need to know what a baseline reading is, right,
So taking a moisture meter and just you know, in
your case you've put it up there and you've got
a zero point eight reading, right, now, what does that mean?
It means not a lot until you've established a baseline.

(25:21):
So in places like Auckland, where the relative humidity camp
is quite high at different times of the year, there's
a certain amount of moisture content in a house, right,
Houses are never one hundred percent. Yeah, However, so once
you've established that an ambient temperature and ambient moisture content,

(25:44):
then you can say, okay, now I've got an elevated reading.
So funnily enough, I was actually watching a video on
this yesterday, So you might find that on an interior
wall away from windows, you could test there and get
a reading. And if you took a number of tests
around the house, you'd say, Okay, in these areas here
where I know there is no issues with moisture, ingress

(26:05):
and so on, is the reading that I've got. And
then you could go to an exterior wall, possibly near
a window, bottom corner of a window, that sort of thing,
and see that the readings have become more elevated. Part
of that might be because it's an exterior wall, it's
more exposed to outside temperatures and moisture inside or it
might be that actually that's showing that this area here

(26:28):
is leaking in some way, and so moisture is coming in.
But until you know what your baseline is, a reading
is not particularly significant, well not completely significant, So I
guess the other. And also if you're going to do
some investigation, you don't want to for example, you say
water blasts, right, I mean you need to apply a

(26:50):
fair amount of pressure, but certainly not as per the
water blasting. The other thing is that we tend to
focus very much on moisture content in our houses, being
what comes in from outside, but we're only now starting
to fully appreciate what happened to moisture that builds up
inside the house. Right, So if you wanted your house

(27:11):
to be dry as much as possible, you wouldn't live
in it, right, because us as human beings expel moisture.
And so you add to that some cooking, you add
to that some washing, and so on and so forth,
and we've got a certain amount, relatively high amount of
moisture inside the houses. And if there's no opportunity for

(27:32):
that to ventilate or for moisture to dry out, then
you will get elevated readings within a house. Often it's
not enough to cause a leak as in a you know,
drip drip drip out of the ceiling, but it will
be enough to allow mold to grow and those sorts
of things, so you'll see damp patches on a ceiling,
et cetera, et cetera. I just I wonder whether the

(27:55):
people that you got in initially, the waterproofing team who
seem to know you know, they've they've got a very
clear process in terms of this is how we're going
to investigate it and will determine what the source of
the moisture contents would be the best people to get back.
And as this becomes a much more I suppose people
are much more conscious of these sorts of issues. There

(28:17):
are more and more people who specialize in There is
leaked detection as in moisture from outside, but there's also
kind of a moisture control issue where people will go, actually,
you know, we've noticed that the extraction for the bathroom
is not particularly good. You don't have the range vented
to the outside. There's little to no ventilation in the
roof space, which means that you're getting condensation. There's no

(28:42):
barrier underneath the roofing iron. All of these sorts of
things can contribute to the indoor environment. So I wonder
for you, Jane, I would go back to the people
that you had a good experience with, who felt that
they knew what they were looking for in terms of
leaked detection or in terms of moisture control, and just
get them to come and do sort of a reasonable

(29:04):
level investigation to go, hey, let's have a look at
exactly what's happening here, and you might find that it's
not a leak, it's just a moisture issue, which it
could be just from internal moisture rather than exterior. It
may well be it's exterior. There might be a cracked
roof tile, there might be a ridge capping that's come off,
something like that. That I would go back to the

(29:25):
teap eagle that you had good luck with. I think
is the best option. All the very best you, Jane,
Thank you very much. It is six forty one, coming
up six forty two, to be fair, if you would
like to talk about all things building and construction, and
it's somewhere a long line. During the week, had a
long discussion with people around sort of internal moisture and
control of internal moisture. And I think it's one of

(29:47):
those things that we've as a sector, as an industry,
we've moved towards our buildings being more and more air tights.
Maybe overstating a little bit, but the way in which
you know joinery seals, the way in which we use
building wraps, the way in which we seal our exteriors
of the building, and so on, means that we don't
get the sort of accidental ventilation to our buildings. But

(30:10):
then we haven't. While we've made improvements in that side,
I'm not sure that our thoughts around ventilation have increased
and kept pace with the changes that we're making to
air tightness. You may care to discuss. OH eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. The lines
are open, and if like me, you'll be doing a
little bit of work to be fair, probably this afternoon,

(30:33):
but at least tomorrow, then give us a call. Oh
W eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And someone takes through
about the concrete path that Gordon. Our first caller had
an acid wash and rints away. Acid won't really take
care of the paint. I mean you could try paint stripper,
but you'll end up with a lot of sort of

(30:53):
goop to try and get rid of. So I hear
what you're saying, but I don't think the acid wash
will do it in this instance. You can use that
for cleaning concrete and cleaning pathways that sort of thing,
but not necessarily for stripping the paint. Need a paint
stripper for that.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
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Speaker 5 (31:24):
Your news dogs. They've been as six forty six and
Judy are very good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (31:29):
Oh good morning. Hi. Look, I'm inquiring about getting a
recommendation for gathering internal gathering. I've got a plaster house
and one side of the house this is about a
two meter strip that's always full of leaves and everything

(31:52):
from a neighboring property which is a lot higher than
my house. But what's happened is I had the guttering
clean to some time ago and somebody said, oh you
you that part of yours gattering is rusty, so I
rang up a few people, and it's hard to get

(32:14):
somebody out there. Eighty six and wanted me to get
up and take a photo, but of course I couldn't.
But in the end I did get somebody that came
and he said, look, I did get two people. One
said oh, it's on the wrong angle, and this and
that and dada ida, and then I got another one

(32:34):
and he said, oh, he knew how to fix these things.
So what happened when he had finished, I went outside
and he drilled a hole, made a hole through the guttering,
right coming underneath the eves. He said, that'll stop it
coming into your house, which I do have a plaster house,

(32:55):
but you did have someone that specialized an internal guttering
some time ago, and I was wondering if I could
get sure.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Absolutely apologies for being slightly pedantic, but just for the
purposes of clarity, what I think what you're describing is
what we'd call a concealed spouting. So you've got a
metal facier board, so that when you look at the

(33:23):
house from the outside, you don't immediately see the guttering
hanging off of fac That's exactly so it's a metal
facier that runs around and then tucked in behind there
is the actual guttering itself, and many of those systems
from the sort of nineteen eighties nineteen nineties. There's a

(33:48):
little rebate at the bottom of the metal facia which
allows the safit to be installed, and then if they
overflow or if they start leaking, that the water overflows
lands on the safit and then that tracks back and
into the building, right and that It's a really common
way of building that we used to do back in
the day, and they typically all cause problems eventually. And

(34:15):
so I guess the person that came and just drilled
a hole through the lowest point is just saying, well, look,
I can't fix it, so I'm just going to trill
a hole through the safe and let the water out, which.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
Well I didn't realize they'd done that because it it's done,
and I thought it goshes out, fills up by offense.
Is its pouring, it'll be going under the house as well,
but it's coming out obviously from the guttering and all
the rest of It's all right. I've just had somebody
to clean it, yes, But.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I mean, ideally, what you would want to do.

Speaker 13 (34:50):
Is somebody might I don't know that it's a good
idea down they.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Were a terrible idea, right, And the reason that I
just wanted to focus on the fact that that's what
i'd call a concealed gutter is that an internal gutter
is something quite different in that it might be in
the middle of a building where the roof is falling
towards a large designed gutter system that then directs the

(35:17):
water to the exterior of the building. That's what i'd
call an internal gutter, whereas you've got the concealed So
now that we're on the same page, yes, there's there's
a I guess because these things are such, they are
quite common, and almost all of them fail at some stage.
There's a couple of companies that have developed their own
systems that will allow you to replace it. Yeah, and

(35:41):
essentially there's either I've seen a couple where they slightly
extend the sheets in some cases they cut it back,
but they've all got their own system. So to be fair,
there's Continuous Group do it, and I've seen their system
at different home shows. The company Continuous Group. Yeah, so
continuous spouting. They'll have a system custom facier and spouting.

(36:05):
They've got a system. And then there's another one which
if you search for RIGS r I g.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
S I Griggs, Riggs.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
They've got their own system as well, which is basically
replace internal gutter system.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
If you.

Speaker 13 (36:22):
Won't be able to just do one section because the
other parts, all right, I haven't had any leaking inside
at all. I've got big eaves and it's recessed and
flashings on the windows. But it's just this part and
it had started to come in a little bit in

(36:43):
the corner and I think dramatic, but that would have
been because it's building and building up. Yes, and although
there's things underneath that the this could leak out. But
when you get that torrential rain with overwhelm. Well, so
it's called RIGS, just rigs riggs.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah, if you search, if you do a Google search
for any one of those, I guess the challenge for
your duty is going to be that, you know, all
of these systems are designed as a replacement, right, so
it would mean doing the whole house typically or maybe.

Speaker 13 (37:19):
Be able to afford it. I'll inquire and.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Inquire about that. They may also within their team have
someone who could do a much better repair that. The
real challenge with these systems is often the gutter is
tucked in behind the facia, right, so you see that
it's off.

Speaker 13 (37:35):
It's obviously you see the overhang, and then there's the
flat pat down lower.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Yeah, and so getting in there is almost impossible. Right.
So if you said, oh, look, I've got a section
that's two meters long and it's starting to rust or
something like that, trying to get it out and get
a replacement piece in there either requires sort of pulling
the facire off or potentially taking part of the roof
off if it's long run iron or if it's a

(38:02):
complicated roof construction, just such a I guess in the end,
with the gross respect to the people that designed it,
it was a really short sighted solution, right, Like it's
something where hey, this is great, we can do something
that's clean and elegant and so on. But in terms

(38:23):
of looking after it long term, and also I think
you know, we probably take a really straightforward approach to
controlling stormwater and so on, which is you just want
to get rid of as much of it as quickly
as possible, right, and so pushing it to the outside
of the building and into some spouting. And I've even
noticed now that some spouting manufacturers are doing systems which

(38:46):
are designed to flood over the front rather than over
the back. So again, push the water away, push it away,
push it away, get it as far away from the
building as you possibly can. So an other suggestion, which
might be something that you know, someone who's confident being
up there could do for you, is to use like

(39:11):
a coating system over the top of what's already there.
And one that I used actually on an internal gut
of myself just recently is a product called Injuris, which
is E N d U R I S. It's a
waterproofing in Juris. Yeah, in Juris. Again, do a little

(39:33):
Google search on that, you'll find it and that might
be you know, if you go look it's it's two
meters that's causing me lots of problems, and I want
to make that water tight. Then you could always use
that product as well.

Speaker 13 (39:45):
It covers a whole up and yeah, because.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
The whole is like a how best to describe it?
I mean, it's a practical solution. I know someone the
other day who was doing the same. They were having
to repair the safite because someone couldn't fix the leak,
realized that the water was sitting in the safine and
just went through and drawed the whole lot of hoses.
It's like turning your house into a sieve.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
That's the image, isn't it. So yeah, that's You've got
a couple of options there. But look, if it is affordable,
it's probably not a bad investment for the house to go.
I'm going to change that because certainly, if you ever
came to sell, anyone doing a pre purchase inspection would
identify that reasonably.

Speaker 13 (40:31):
Up until that stage, all the stort. I haven't had
any the anywhere in this house, so obviously I don't
know how it would get in, but it's over the time.
You're right about the spoutings for a certain.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Life time, and then really hard to replace that sort
of internal stuff.

Speaker 13 (40:53):
And counting endurors. I could phone them and quickly it
might be something more for.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
I've got ten seconds, Judy.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Sorry, oh, I let's pick it up on another day.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
All the very best, your jourdy, and thank you very
much for your call this morning. Right he Oh, if
you'd like to join us, the lines are open. The
number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back
after New Sport and weather at.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Seven, turning Ohs into She'll be right the resident builder
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Speaker 5 (41:40):
Your News Talks. The'd be welcome back to the show
the day after Ansac Day makesually it was quite nice
driving in this morning the best of Kerry the long
discussion with Sir Don McKinnon, who was instrumental in the
establishment of the New Zealand War Memorial and Museum at
the Qinwar in France, right in northern France near the
Belgian border. Remarkable story into the Second World or First

(42:03):
World War, rather the New Zealand troops being to breach
the defenses of the town without any civilian deaths and
so on, right in the in those last days of
the First World fantastic story. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We're talking a little bit
about spouting, We're talking quite a lot about moisture, and

(42:23):
I guess that's where our focus as the seasons change,
not that we've had no one's going to describe this
summer as a particularly dry summer. And to be fair,
if you think about the weather patterns over the last
couple of years, you know, we have this these periods
of it's going to stay extreme weather in terms of

(42:44):
incredibly high rainfall events that happen often for a brief
period of time, but phenomenally high. Look at the damage
that occurred in Wellington over the last ten days or so,
and I think it's not unfair to say, are we
designing our houses to cope with this?

Speaker 8 (43:05):
You know?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
And I was looking at something the other day quite
a big roof and sort of one downpipe, and I'm thinking,
you know what in one of these extreme and inverted
commas weather events which are no longer extreme because they
happen so often. You know, it used to be that
a one in one hundred year flood event was I

(43:27):
think back in the day, it was defined as forty
eight millimeters of rain per hour for two hours. And
yet if you look at the data out of Wellington
the other day, I think they had in one event
almost seventy seven millimeters of rain in one hour. Bearing
in mind that anything over six millimeters of rain per

(43:49):
hour is considered heavy rain, and then you kind of
I suppose from my point of view as a as
a practitioner, you're looking at how you're designing your roofs
and how you're designing your stormwater control going. Do I
need to up my anty, you know? Do I want
to go for maybe a slightly larger size spouting. Do

(44:11):
I want to look at a larger downpipe? Do I
want to think about ways in which the water will
spill out in these events and away from the building
rather than overwhelming infrastructure. I think there's a lot to
consider in that space right now. Ross, thank you very
much for waiting. How are you this morning?

Speaker 14 (44:30):
Good morning Pete. And with that lady that has internal gathering, yes,
with a problem. What I've used as a product called flashband.
Flashband is a bitumen backed tape. It comes in two
inches wide up to ten inches wide. And you've got
to make sure the internal gathering is clean and dry, yes,

(44:52):
And you can put it on and the tape, the
bitchmen back of it sticks to the internal gathering. And
as a precaution, what I do is I put it
on with a slight heat gun to heat it up
when it's on, or a hair dryer when it's on,
make sure the hair dryer is insulated, isolated, and then

(45:16):
melted into that. And then I put some of your
that water based emulsion stuff that you talked about all
around the edges and over the top of the flash band,
and then you can paint it if you like or

(45:36):
just not as a precaution. I paint mine as a precaution,
a three layer system on it, and it's been very, very successful.
It's very successful on broken tiles and if you can't
get them replaced, and that's you get it from a
plumber's merchant, or you get it from a Mito ten
or Bunnings or somewhere like that. But it's called flashband, Okay.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
It's one of those things that you know, sometimes it's
impractical or uneconomic to look at these in turn spouting
or concealed spouting type systems and do a complete replacement
because it's a lot of work to do, and you've
got sort of one troublesome spot, right, because often they
were laid with minimal fall right. And of course again

(46:23):
it's it's not a sort of alarmist thing around climate
and all the rest of it. It's just let's accept
the reality that we're getting more and more of these
heavy downfalls, right, and so I think, you know, if
you've got a system which is you know, forty or
fifty milli wide, as some of these are, with a
free board of maybe thirty or forty millimeters before it

(46:46):
overflows and goes inside your building, then that's going to
be overwhelmed. And if it's relatively flat and there's one
small outlet. I looked at one of these systems a
while ago where they'd taken it was concealed spouting, and
then instead of having the downpipe emerge from the underside
of the safe, they design it in such a way

(47:07):
that the down pipe did a sharp right hand bend,
traveled over the top of the safe before coming out
close to the building.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
So again you've you've then got all of this water
swishing around inside your safit line and the hope that
it will eventually exit, but it's slowing down the flow
and you could just imagine an heavy rain that would
just be overwhelmed immediately.

Speaker 14 (47:32):
And flashbend around droppers where you've got brilliant where you've
got it spouting, and then the dropper, especially in the
old days, where it was soldered, yes, and then of
course the soldier breaks through various reasons. So you can
put it over the top of that and cut a
hole for it big enough to the spouting dropper outlet.

(47:54):
It's it's pretty good, pretty versatile. You've got to hunt
for it. It's going to come from brand. You've got one
that's got a sort of an aluminium front side of it,
which I don't use because you've got to get a
sort of navicode primer or something like that Galvani's primer
to put over the top if you want to paint it.
Or the other one is it's just got a black

(48:15):
or dark gray material face to it. But I use
it all the time. I've used tens of rolls of
It comes in a ten meter roll, right, and as
well worth investigating that if you've got an internal gutter
for us and just put it on with a bit
of a heat gun just to melt it it.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Yeah, just to make it a bit easier because it's
always challenging sort of you know, where you've got an
upturn or a change of direction, because suddenly you're getting
something that's happy working in two dimensions to try and
work in three dimensions. As you wrap around a corner or.

Speaker 14 (48:45):
Something, you can cut it. You cut it with a
nice or a pair of scissors and put it over
the top of it. It's stick if you have to
overlay it. But it's phenomenal stuff. It's a very very
good stuff.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, all of these types really interesting.

Speaker 14 (49:03):
Wallace is in the road where the Mounts Stadium is.
They are supplied. They the whole for it. It's available
in mis ten or.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Wherever yesterday as it happens. Anyway, Hey Ross, thank you
very much for that, and again really appreciate you sticking
around and waiting during the break. Now I've got a
text which is somber, but I do want to read
it out and I do want to thank the person

(49:36):
that sent it through. Yeah, they've asked me not to
mention the specific details, but they haven't gone into a
tremendous amount of detail. But the situation basically is this.
So the text starts, Hey, Pete, we have a tragic
situation that has inspired me to contact you. A family

(49:59):
friend was cleaning their garage spouting yesterday, fell off the
ladder and has broken their neck. They are not expected
to last the day. I'm sending you this basically to
urge anyone who is planning to do some work around
the house to take every care. Life is precious and

(50:21):
can be taken in a moment. Thank you very much
for sending that message. That is a terribly tragic situation.
And I guess if it was not uncommon, we could

(50:41):
look at that and go it doesn't happen that often,
it's a freak event, etc. But the statistics would say otherwise.
Any number of people suffer significant injuries as a result
of falling from ladders in New Zealand. And I'm very
cautious when I'm talking to you and talking to individual

(51:05):
callers saying, you know, I want to encourage you to
do work. I want to encourage you to do things
for yourself, but I want to encourage you to do
that safely. Anytime you undertake any type of work, there
is risk involved in DIY, there's risk involved in you know,
standing on ladders, standing on platforms. So thank you very much.

(51:31):
This is a I would imagine a terrible tragic situation
for you and for your family and for the family
of the person concerned. All I can do is offer
our best wishes to you, but I really thank you
for sending that through. And I think it's you know,
I know acc running that campaign at the moment sort
of take a have a hmm, I wonder what's going

(51:51):
to happen here. Not saying you can't undertake work, but
just take that moment, that moment that goes. It's that
five second sort of rule, take five steps back, think
about it for five seconds, and then go ahead and
do the task. And number of injuries that I've seen,
to be fair that the times when I've fallen from

(52:12):
a ladder, it's been more than once, it's been that
moment of lack of attention, lack of forethought, just maybe rushing,
not considering options, not thinking about the consequences. Where I
had a ladder that was up against a building, onto
a veranda roof. It was on a wooden deck, and

(52:34):
the bottom slipped out as I started to climb up.
Now I was only a couple of feet a couple
of rungs off the ground, but that could have been
quite serious had I been further up. Gosh, probably any
number of others. But again, my sincere thanks to the
person that had the courage to send that through, and
our thoughts are with you it is seventeen after seven.

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the future of Kiwi building today. Z right here you
used to talk ze B. Thank you very much for
your texts. I'll come to a few more texts in
just a moment. Kevin, greetings to you.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
Hello.

Speaker 9 (54:23):
Yes, I'd like to tell people of their product that
I've been using for many years now. It's called Raine
paint on crack filler, and I've even used it over
a rusty roof where holes were in the bottom of
the corrugation and even where the whole roof was going

(54:43):
to be replaced. I fixed it all.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
And look, obviously I've spent a lot of time in
Razine stores and have a reasonable grasp of their products,
but I've never actually heard what's it called. What are
you calling it? Razine paint over crack filler.

Speaker 9 (55:01):
Yeah, and you know hardy texts where there's cracks from that. Well,
it's just amazing for that. It used to be sold
as another product, a new promouth. They made it, buy
it and it was just a correct paint. And in
all circumstances I'd reinforce it by using meting in it

(55:28):
screen meeting as a reinforcer for a rusty roof, for instance,
I'd paint on rust and dirt and last for years
and years and years.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
And raisine crack filler it's actually called so I found
it online. So it's ideally for ideally for semonititious surfaces.

Speaker 9 (55:51):
Ideal for small cracks down heart attacks.

Speaker 8 (55:56):
You know.

Speaker 9 (55:57):
I've even had places where I thought I'd do the
same in paint and black. They didn't see the crack.
Eventually the right calcium comes out. The paint on craig
full of just amazing stuff. I'm sitting in my liel
bats now that's no safits and never had any leaking.
But I've used it so often you wouldn't believe it.

(56:20):
I use other products many years ago. Sally's made them
and should never have been on the market. They've got
me into trouble.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Hey, look, I appreciate their heads up, you know. I mean,
I'm not surprised that I don't know every single product
that they make because there's a very, very wide range.
But so ideally for semititious surfaces. So if there's some
cracking and sign you can use this brushable crack filler
in there and then top coat. I guess if you're
doing semonititious surfaces and areas that you want to be

(56:51):
weather tight, then it's X two hundred over the top
of that as well. I didn't need to use any
X two hundred the other day, but I did go
and pick up a new ten liter of lumbersider from
the team at Wairau Park, where I have to say
I turned up and did the class. Here's a formula
that was written down by the local paint person. She

(57:12):
was fourteen years ago. Can you make me some more
of that? But the person had written it down in
some sort of secret code known only to people at
work in paint shops, and so when I showed it
to the young guy at Wiraw, I don't really know
that that's the right code. Anyway, he figured it out.
Thank you very much to Kai at Razine Wiraw for

(57:36):
doing that. And I've got the ten letter bucket there
and hey, I might break that open later on today
a bit of a celebration by doing a little bit
of painting while the weather is good. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty the number to call Michael good morning.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
Yes, good morning. Firstly, can I say how much I
enjoy your show.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
Well, thank you very much. It's very kind of you,
look Pete.

Speaker 15 (57:57):
The problem I had is I've got a skylight in
the kitchen area and I've rang up the manufacturer's representative
in New Zealand and they gave me the name of
a certified installer who has not wanted to give back
in touch with me, even though I've actually phoned and
sent an email.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Right do.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
I get a plumber or a builder? Who do I get?

Speaker 15 (58:22):
It's not a big job, but it's just started to
leave with all this ranger and it's been installed for
a number of years.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
Yes, some rufers will do it, but I mean, what
am I do is take this offline because I just
want to check that any advice. I know some guys
who would fix it. I'm just not sure whether they're
the people that you've already talked to, which would surprise
me if they didn't turn up, because I'd only recommend
them because they're reliable and they will turn up. So

(58:50):
if in the end it's my guys, then we'll sort
that out. But if it's not, then I can recommend
someone who will turn up because they do what they
say and they'll be able to sort it out for you.
So typically it's rufers, but there are a number of
people that specialize in skylights these days, so depending on

(59:11):
the brand, they do decay and then it's it's a
bit of a challenge sometimes to identify where the leak
is coming from. Sometimes it's the flashings that might decay
or deteriorate. Other times it's actually the unit itself, so
maybe the corners have started to open up or something
like that. So I'll tell you what, stay on the

(59:32):
line and we'll get the sorded for you in just
a moment. I think we might take a quick break
and then we'll talk to Angela in just the mo
beg thing.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
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Speaker 5 (59:54):
You and News TALKSB taking your calls on all things
building and construction. Couple of texts as well. Actually I'm
a little bit behind on the text Pete. Could you
mention or repeat the name of that gutter Celia you
mentioned in juris e nduers is the product that I
used the beginning of the year m PET. Do you

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think that down lights and bathroom should be sealed to
prevent moisture escaping into the ceiling space? I think, Chris,
I wonder whether the technologies kind of solved that problem already. So,
you know, conventional down lights nineteen nineties, which was an
incandescent bulb in a fitting, lots of gaps around them.
They're kind of they're being replaced anyway. So a modern

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day down light with often a fixed led bulb in
it doesn't have the same air leakage as others. And
also you can put insulation over them in some cases
depending on the IP rating. So yes, if you've got
an old conventional one, if you've got them anywhere through
your house and they are just leaking air, right, they

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are literally just sucking warm air out of your house
because the way in which they were installed in the
first place, you weren't allowed to bring the insulation closer
than one hundred and fifty milimeters, So effectively you had
the fitting, then you had one hundred and fifty milimeter
gap all the way around it, So you end up
with somewhere around a four hundred by four hundred square

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of missing insulation and new roof space with a vent
right in the middle, and then you add heat to it,
which allows for convention. So literally, if you're trying to
heat a living room and you've got a whole bunch
of those old downlights in it, you are literally sucking
that out into your roof space. Thankfully, we don't do

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those sorts of downlights anymore, so I think we've kind
of solved that problem. M Pete. On my roof, I
have a line of rusty holes where the original house
and the house extension meet. The whole house needs a
new roof, but I need to patch it until I
can get a new roof. Is there a product you
know of that might be able to do that job? Yes,
so you need to treat the rust, and then you

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could use some injuris to be fair. If it's where
there's a lap and you've got the other sheet sitting
underneath it, you could just treat the rust, apply some
primer into a coat of paint over the top of it.
Might also give you just enough time. And someone's text
through to mister Pete. Wolfgang close but no banana, so

(01:02:24):
it's wlf Kamp. By the way, I have a concreted
patio area running length by property, which is a large
cracking it with a raised edge. Can this be fixed
without reconcreting the whole area? The raised edge means there's dislocation, right,
so they're moving independently of each other. It can use
those injection systems that could be quite pricey. Otherwise, what

(01:02:47):
you could do is grind the upper lip down and
then resurface the entire area. But in terms of leveling it,
you need to do one of those injection systems and
it's very effective. But you know there's a reasonable amount
of cost involved in that as well, but it is

(01:03:08):
very effective. So hopefully we've caught up on that. We'll
do their ventilation one and just a moment, but first up, Angela,
a very good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:15):
Good morning Peter, thanks for taking my call. Hey, look,
we're in a little bit of a packle where a
five family household and we've got a leaking shower. When
we bought the property twelve years ago, it was a
tild shower and we didn't realize it at the time.
The building fiction didn't pick up on it, but it
had been leaking quite substantially. So right, hold about that

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child shower of nervousness around that now and at the
time we put in an alcove shower. It's quite a
small shower spice. It's a seven hundred by nine hundred
alcove tacked between the hallway and the toilet behind to
endure that, you know, the traditional sort of layout. So
what we've found is there's only a twenty middle upstand

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around the shower base, and that's only on three sides
of the shower. But the waters or the more just
coming out through the frontage by the shower door work
and then dribbling down into the walls, down into the floor.
We've got a tiled floor and things like that. We've
had a couple of people come out and have a
lock and they have said, well, it's a bit tight.

(01:04:21):
You've got it popping off the walls. That was never
you know, our cove molding doesn't set that size, and
you know, we can replace it with the like, but
you might not necessarily resolve the situation we suggested, and
you remodel the whole buckroom. We quite like having our
separate toilet. Are there any options or any better system

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is out there?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
And how old do you think the existing preformed showers.
It was put in as a result of the leak,
and there eleven years. Okay, Look, it's probably fair to
say that the way in which we design and detail
and install showers preformed showers today is better than it
was back then. So if you could find something off

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the shelf that's that will fit in the space and
it's correctly installed, then you know you should be able
to do that and not have those issues of water
seeping out. The other thing, just a little thing that
often when you don't read the instructions happens quite a bit.
I'm just thinking about the person who installed in the

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first place. Is in some cases, you know there is
that little there's a twenty mil upstand, right, and so
the shower lining that's supposed to be recessed basically to
the bottom plate, and then you bring your plasterboard down
over the top of that. So I always then seal
that junction and then make sure that there's a bead

(01:05:51):
of sealant that's applied to the upstand before the shower
lining goes on, just to ensure that water doesn't because
there is a gap there. You have surface tension, capillary
reaction and water can be sucked up into that joint,
so you need to seal that. The other thing that
is quite a common fault is people apply the sealant

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to the shower screen to the inside. You apply it
to the outside surface. So have a close look at
it and just see whether or not there's a bead
of sealant. When you're standing on the outside of the shower.
There should be a bead of sealant that runs down
those vertical strips onto the shower lining on the outside
face rather than the inside face. And if that's the case,

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if you did that, you might find that you just
stop that little bit of moisture that leaks out. And
anyone who does prepurchased inspections would have seen it a
hundred times, which is where you have that moisture that
leaks out, and then the you know, if the skirting
boarder butts the shower, if you don't have a tiled
upstand or something like that, you'll start to see swelling

(01:06:58):
in that skirting board where it touches the shower.

Speaker 16 (01:07:02):
And that one comment somebody's made as the molded shelves
in and those performed showers can actually create the extra
pressure for it to sort of pop off as well.
Have you experienced that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I think when you get you know, the sort of
delamination or when the shower lining pops off, it's often
because people didn't install it correctly in the first place.
So there's there's very clear instructions when you do install
the showers around how you apply the ceiling, and the
idea being it should be strips of adhesive vertically right,

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and they've got to be a certain distance apart, and
that might vary from shower to shower. It might be
fifty millimeters, might be seventy five. But whatever it says
on the instructions, the manufacturer's instructions is what you're supposed
to do. So vertical Seilan And then I think too
people often the way that I've always done it, and

(01:07:58):
I haven't done one for a couple of years, but
the way that I did it last time I installed
one is I cut myself a whole lot of short
bits of timbers and some uprights, and then once I've
got a dry fit the shower lining, make sure that
it fits neatly, because if the walls slightly out you
might have to make some adjustments that sort of thing.
And then Once I put this the adhesive on the wall,

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I then take those pieces of timber and brace the
wall for a period of time, right, So I'm not
just reliant on pushing it onto the wall hoping that
it's going to stick, and then walking away and then
potentially gravity takes over and just peels it away slightly,
so you'll get some adhesion, but it's not a full adhesion.
The other thing is sealing the top edge as well,

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because in a wet area, you'll eventually get condensation and
moisture and you don't want that tracking down behind the
shower lining. So making sure that there's a proper bead
of sealant around the top makes a really big difference
as well. Well installed, these shower linings are, if not bulletproof,
pretty damn close.

Speaker 16 (01:09:03):
All that sort of ran where assures me that you know,
by replacing likeworth like we could get the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
Rather than.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Yeah, no, no. I think saying oh there's a problem
with the shower, you've got to redo the bathroom. That
that's you know, sledgehammer nut type situation. I think if
if you wanted to just go ahead and redo the
shower lining, you probably end up having to replace a
bit of the substrate because the pulling them out typically
you damage it to the point where it's no longer serviceable.

(01:09:36):
But well installed to the manufacturer's specifications, where the shower
bases plum the walls or level the walls are plump.
They're really good options.

Speaker 16 (01:09:49):
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Nice chatting. Take care all this by the thing you
and new Stalk c B. And before we go to
the break, let's talk to Jim.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
Jim.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
I rang you last week about a little right angle
pieces on the from the bottom stud to the Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Yes, with your new builder, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, looked into it. No, they have not
got big screws through, and you know it is it
is in a high wind zone. Yes, you could still
put the now the roofers on, so that sort of

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limits what you can do with those big long screws.
But there's a plate, there's a plate on top of
the top plate. Yes, that are screwed to the top
plate trust crew. Yeah, but there's no and then the
trust go on top of that, h that there's no

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screws going from the top plate through. Now does that
meet the regulation?

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
The other step that you might not be might not
be visible from the inside of the building. Now for
the building wrappers on the outside, is that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
There is five or cement sheet.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
On the outside.

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
Yeah, on the outside as your building paper.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Yeah, so it's a Rigidia barrier yep. So behind that
Rigidia barrier they may have installed straps. Right, so you
just rebate slightly and you have a six kN or
a twelve k in connection that runs from the top
plate down the stud and maybe to a lintel and
so on. Now they are inspected prior to lining, so

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there's a pre wrap inspection from the building inspector and
you should get that. I'll tell you the other interesting
thing just by the by is it's not well, it's
possible these days for you as the client to get
a copy of the council building inspection reports. So I'm

(01:12:06):
pretty sure that every council around the country now does
their reports electronically. So they'll turn up with a tablet,
they'll enter the details of the location, the building consent number,
the type of inspection and then they'll record the inspection
and then at the end of the inspection they send
a copy via email to the contractor.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
And I know of situations where owners have said I
would like to be included in that, so they get
cced in, which is great because then you get a
copy of all of those inspection records, and included in
that should be a photograph, for example, showing if a
fixing is required, it should show that it's been installed.
So I think we're sort of backing a loop with

(01:12:51):
this in terms of get the building consent. If there's
one specified, then make sure it's been installed. And one
way to do that is to get a copy of
the building inspection reports.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
They're basically saying that the fiber cement sheets is the brace.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Yeah, and that's fine if that's what's on the building consent. Right,
So if it's detailed and specified that and there's a
particular nail pattern and the material is of a certain
thickness and it's been designed to do that, that's fine.
But all of these things require proof, right, So a

(01:13:30):
builder or a contractor saying that's okay, or this is
how we do it, unless they can back it up
with evidence. Here's the building consent, here's the specification, Here's
where it's noted on the plan that this is what
we're doing, and we've done what's on the plan. I
would have a healthy dose of skepticism.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Right, yeah, just just it seems strange that they would
do it on the bottom. Yeah, but it's not. And
I'm pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Sure no, I know what you're saying, but you know,
the whole down brackets are part of the they're a
handy bracked they're part of a jib bracing system and
other bracing systems. Typically there is a fixing at the top,
which is doing something different again, and maybe just go
back to the plans. If it's on the plans and
they've done it as per the plan, then you'd like

(01:14:23):
to think that it's correct. But I've had it a
couple of times on projects where you know, I might
be the person coordinating or being responsible for the inspections,
and so I'll get an email from the inspector, they'll
do the job, they'll finish off the paperwork, and bang,
they'll send through the inspection results and you know, if
there's something that they go, hey, look I'm not quite

(01:14:45):
sure about this, or it's a fail, then you'll know that.
But as a homeowner having a build done and given
that you're paying for that building consent, I think it's
great that you can then be c seed in on
it as well. Seven forty six will take short break,
be back with you in just a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Moment, turning ohs into She'll be right the resident builder
with Peter will Gam and Independent Building Supplies the future
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Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Call eight.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
News dog ZB fantastic text about ventilation and so on.
I'm going to come to that, but it is lengthy
and in some great detail, but I really appreciate it.
Oh quick ones on the shower, by the way, take
the door off, inject silicon back up into the corner
of the lining on both sides, reinstall the door. We

(01:15:33):
do it all the time. Sounds like a sensible solution, Pete.
I find when installing a shower the manufacturer never gives
enough wall glue. I always purchase an extra tube before
I start the job. Also very sensible advice. And I'll
come to the one about the simple standalone dwellings or
granny flats in just a moment. But Lena greetings, Oh.

Speaker 17 (01:15:53):
I don't know what it is. My problem is it's
probably more a legal thing than what you can help me.
But I'm going to ask any rate. I've got a
gutto near my mailbox on the inside of my property.
We had a really heavy downpour here about ten days ago,

(01:16:14):
when all the water just sprouted over the side of
the guttings down onto the ground like as if it
was Niagara. For now, I want to know who's responsible
for lacking that water get away off my property.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
I guess anything within your own property is your responsibility.
But if what you're finding is that where your stormwater
connects to the council stormwater, and for whatever reason that
council stormwater is either an adequate or is full of
sediment because they haven't cleaned it out for thirty years,

(01:16:55):
then it because a council issue.

Speaker 17 (01:16:58):
That might be the problem because I actually have a
property here. And then the cargo where in a suburb
where it's a three shops, we had this partecular downpour
cause enough water to sit on the surface outside the

(01:17:19):
back of our shop for three days before it dissipated.

Speaker 10 (01:17:22):
Got away.

Speaker 17 (01:17:23):
But I've already approached the city council and they keep
saying that we've got a clean air gutteris you know,
clean air drains, But how do you know how they do?
They have to dig up the land to find out
whether they've got a blockage or a broken I.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Mean most trains now, particularly council ones, right, they'll start
at sort of one hundred and fifty millimeters two hundred
and twenty five. You know, they might be four hundred
and six hundred depending on the amount of volume that
they expect to have to carry. And all of those
you can get into with cameras. But let's be really

(01:18:01):
honest and say, I think councils across the country are
always under pressure to keep their infrastructure up to standard, right,
And I know after the in Auckland, the twenty twenty
three floods, I think council went out and started looking
at some of their infrastructure, going, gee, it's you know,

(01:18:23):
forty fifty sixty percent full of sediment. And I know
that firsthand because I'm involved in sort of the maintenance
of a property where when council did come through to
inspect their six hy hundred diameter stormwater line that ran
through there, that collected storm water from you know, tens
of houses in the street, found that it was sixty

(01:18:45):
seventy percent full of sediment. Right, So they haven't let's
be really, they haven't done their job.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:18:52):
Number here and the cargo. They've got no gutters now
on the corners. You know, you can drive along this
street and there's water halfway across the street. They've they've
I've heard that they say that the bitchamen as a roady,
absorbs the water in Now they don't have gutters and
the corners and things like that, so I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
I mean, there are stormwater systems designed swales and so on.
You see this quite commonly now, where instead of having
curbing running down both sides of the road, collecting water
and sending it to a catch pit and into stormwater
that you might create, you know, stormwater runoff areas, swales
and so on. Some of them are filled with vegetation.

(01:19:36):
The idea being that they absorb a certain amount of water.
When they're saturated, the water is still directed to an outlet.
So that's really sophisticated design and they work very very well.
But look, you know, if you're a city councilor and
you're running for election and you say, look, my intention
is to spend no money on sports fields, and no

(01:19:57):
money on playgrounds, and no money on arts and culture.
But I just want us to go and fix all
the pipes. That would be great, but hardly anyone's ever
going to say it, I think, which is the issue.
But yes, I think you could request hopefully a video
survey of the lines to say I think that my

(01:20:17):
overflow is caused by your system not coping with the flow,
and get them to do the video survey. All the
very best with that one, Lena Tanya, I've got a
minute if that's okay.

Speaker 18 (01:20:32):
Okay, Hi quickly. Look, I've just got a shower that's
kind of raised about twelve inches too. You've got to
step into it. Yes, And I'm just we want to
put a standard shower and they're just wondering why would
that be raised like that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Chances are the shower was added later and they couldn't
get the trap in because is it on a concrete floor. Yes, yeah,
the shower might have been added later there's insufficient fall.
They don't and so they've run the piping out across
the top of the floor. So in order to get
a level entry shower in there, or a standard hob

(01:21:10):
sitting on the ground, you would need to obviously remove that,
remove the framing, then cut a hole in the slab
to get the trappin' and then from there you've also
then got to have a pathway for your wasstwater pipe
to run with fall to the exterior of the building,
and you might find that, while it's possible, you end

(01:21:31):
up having to cut up a large chunky your floor,
et cetera, et cetera. So I suspect that's what.

Speaker 18 (01:21:35):
It's about, okay, lovely, thank you all right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
But you know, a good plumber will be able to
determine what it is and whether or not it's practical
to you know, you can cut a hole in the
floor that's durable, but it's it's obviously more work than
just building up on top here.

Speaker 18 (01:21:54):
Right, So we could get a normal shower, free standing
shower in there if you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
Can get your wastewater discharged down low enough, that's what
it will be about. Okay, all right, nice one, so
well done. You thank you all the best on you
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Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
B righty, Oh, good morning, welcome back to the show.
It is eight minutes after six, the day after ans
Ac Day and a long weekend. A heard it of course,
cause Ensic Day yesterday being on a Saturday means Monday
becomes a day off or maybe for you. But I
think I'm going to take advantage of the good weather

(01:23:01):
given that we kind of got a bit rained off
on Tuesday night. Friday morning. It was like got up
early Friday morning ready for Mark, one of the builders
to come round. Oh there's not much point now. I
think it's going to break to horror and we go
and buy some weather boards. We're going to get those
on in which we did, which was awesome, so I
probably want to. Ah, here's the thing, so weatherboards, pin

(01:23:24):
the weather boards on, nailed them off seventy five mil
jolt head, sunk the nails pretty much immediately with a
small artist brush, went round with some primer and filled
up each of those little pockets right to seal the fibers,
which are then exposed by the fact you've punched the nails.
Actually really really important to do. So I've done that.

(01:23:46):
Now I do my filling. Then when the filling s dry,
I'll spot prime it. Then I'll prime the whole of
the pre primed weatherboard over the top, because that's only
sort of a factory coat, and then I can get
my lumbersider on. That's the process, and there ain't no shortcuts.
It is seven minutes after rate. And let me see,
we're going to go to Nick Greetings morning.

Speaker 11 (01:24:07):
Peat had a game.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
Yeah, very well.

Speaker 11 (01:24:10):
Look I went to a nineteen to seventy deceased estate
open home. The bathroom had been renovated about ten years
ago without building consent.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:24:21):
The original bathroom had a bath, separate shower and a
wash basin, and the upgraded bathroom was fully tiled with
a large shower yep, a washbasion, and they added a
toilet into it. So they removed the baths and they
had a heated floor on it. Yes, so I'm just

(01:24:42):
wondering what is required to get building consent? Who is
quite interested in the property.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Yeah, well you can't get a building consent for it,
so in order to prove its compliance, you could apply
for a certificate of acceptance. The burden of proof is
similar to as if you were applying for a building consent,
So you need to prove somehow that the workers client
with the building code. Now, if you've got access to records,

(01:25:10):
so let's say the person who did the work got
a license waterproofer to do that, and they happen to
give them a producer statement or something like that saying
I've done the work and I've done it this way,
that maybe there's some photographs showing that the substrate was
applied in the correct manner, that the plumbing was done
by a licensed plumber, etc. Et cetera, et cetera. If

(01:25:32):
you've got all of the same evidence that you would
normally supply during the building inspection process, then you could
make an application. But you're still most likely going to
need a to engage a building server, registered building serve
to act on your behalf to submit something to counsel.
And if you did get through that process, it would

(01:25:54):
take some time. And if you and I chatted in
a couple of months time and you sent I've spent
a couple of thousand dollars maybe more getting it compliant.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
I wouldn't be surprised, Okay, it didn't work.

Speaker 11 (01:26:06):
Well, what would be the worst case scenario.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
I mean, look, no one, no one from counsel is
going to knock on your door one day and go, hey,
you've got an unconsented shower. Where it becomes I guess
a little bit challenging is if, as part of your disclosure,
if there's a lender involved and they say, is there
anything that's you know, unconsented or someone about the property,

(01:26:32):
you'd have to say, yes, I'm aware that this work
didn't get a building consent. They may have some concerns there.
They might not. The other thing will be is if
let's say that bathroom is still there when you go
to sell the house, the concerns that I've just expressed
will be expressed by a potential purchaser in the future,
and you'll have to deal with that. Then it might

(01:26:53):
be that you know, you love the house, You've probably
got some plans for renovations, and you might end up
ripping that shower and that bathroom apart in five or
six years time and redoing it, in which case get
a building consent for that work, and don't worryry about
the building consent. Yeah, I mean, I'm not doubting the
requirement for building consents and all the rest of it.

(01:27:13):
I'd never question that because I understand why it is
that we have them. But at the same time, in
some instances like this where okay, somebody did the work,
it did require a consent, it should have had one.
There's no evidence that it's leaking, it's not dangerous to anyone.
It's really just a risk thing. Are you prepared to
take the risk that you're inheriting somebody else's problem and

(01:27:36):
you're okay with that and as long as you're aware
of it and make your own decisions as my attitude.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
Okay, thanks very much for that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
No trouble at all. Right, all the very best to you.
Take care you need see news talk said be m oh,
someone's giving me advice. This is awesome morning. Peat weatherboard preparation.
Do not forget to thoroughly sand all of the pre
prime products thoroughly too thoroughly's there or there will be
tears in the future with the paint not sticking. I've

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stripped many houses due to this problem. Thank you. I
will give it a sand. I'm not sure how thoroughly.
I think enough to just remove any sort of surface
areas that might have deteriorated and so on. I'll do that.
I'll do my filler and then I'll get another code
of primer on it, and then i'll start with me
lumber sider top coats your news talks there B. It
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Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Eight where Diy gets unstuck cool eight eight The resident
builder with Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building supplies the future
of Kiwi Building Today news talks there B.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
I've noticed recently, and for people that live in or
manage an apartment block, you'll know this as well, how
quickly aluminium jowinery can fade, can get chalky, can start
to corrode away. So I've got Jacob here from Nano
Clear to let us know how that can be fixed.
Good morning, How are you, Jacob?

Speaker 19 (01:28:57):
Yeah, good moy, Thanks thanks for having me mate.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Now, am I right in understanding that you can bring
back that original color of faded aluminium jewery so it
looks like new.

Speaker 19 (01:29:08):
Yes, absolutely can so. Our process rejuvenates old and tired
element and jrawdery and it instantly restores the original color
and gloss, So then it not only looks brand new,
but it's actually protected the longer than even brand new jrawnery.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
Right, So for body corporates who are managing perhaps dozens
of units, this isn't just a costmetic issue. This is
actually long term protection and cost savings.

Speaker 7 (01:29:28):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:29:29):
So replacing jewnery on an entire apartment block costs hundreds
of thousands of dollars. But we're nanoclear. We can recolor
to something different, or restore what was originally there at
attraction of the cost and have it last even longer.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
So what will it actually protect from and how long
does that last?

Speaker 19 (01:29:45):
Well, nanopare is sun UV and sea salt resistance, and
we live on an island surrounded by sea salt and
then the highest UV saturation in the world, so nanoclare
is actually the perfect remedy for our climate. It's also
chemical and solent resistant and a lot harder than normal paint,
making it super hard to damage. And how long does
it lasts, Well, we guarantee it'll last for a decade,
but we always expect it to last.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
A lot long than that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
So if you're involved with the body corporate. Your work
is perfect because it not only makes the building look
really sharp, but it's also protecting the investment and it
may not require as much maintenance in the future.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
Yeah, exactly, cuta.

Speaker 19 (01:30:19):
So body corporates tell us all the time that they
love the immediate list that it gets for the appearance
and the resale value in ten satisfaction and then the
peace of mind knowing that it will stay protected for
so far into the future.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
So do you guys just work with body corporates?

Speaker 19 (01:30:33):
Oh, necessarily work with homeowners and business owners and property
managers and anyone that has eliminimal color stee already that
they want to protect from corrosion in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
So it sounds like if you're in a body corporate
or you're on the committee and you're managing the department block,
it's worth a conversation with the team at Nanoclear. You'll
find them at nanoclear dot co dot NZ.

Speaker 19 (01:30:54):
Yes that's Nanoclear dot CODA and deb and you can
see everything we do and our hundreds of five star
reviews from normal everyday people.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
Great talking with you, Jacob, Thank you, Thank you, eighteen
after eight eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Rid has
just burst into the studio literally in our sense, because
we can hear him when he arrives in the studio
in christ Church. So and then it comes through to
the desk here in Auckland. So Rid will be along
with us. Just after eight thirty, John.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
Greetings, Yeah, morning, Peter.

Speaker 12 (01:31:24):
Look, it's just about my granddaughter's got an older house villa.
I guess with bay windows, and I'm just wondering how
they flash and it's a rough cast. I'm just wondering
how they flash the bay windows. How do you flash
into rough cast? So I was suggesting to putting ply
on where the tiles all rotted, and that putting ply

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over and then putting a sheet of a galvanized iron
flat iron on it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
So the bay window that comes out has got pretty
much a flat roof on it.

Speaker 12 (01:31:56):
No, No, it does slope down, slopes down. I don't
know what angle, probably you know it does slope down anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
Okay, yeah, but then obviously the flat Typically what happens
is the flashings are installed prior to the application of
the rough cast, right, so they're back to the building line,
basically to the framing, and then they'll do their render
over the top of that. The challenge with that is that,
you know, you don't necessarily want to remove all of

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the render to redo the roofing. The best scenario is
that the piece of flashing that comes out from the
framing out past the building line or outside the exterior
cladding hasn't deteriorated and the rest of it has, and
you can cut it off at that point and basically
insert another flashing underneath it and if you seal that joint.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
It's not a.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
Perfect solution, but it's often sort of less risk than
breaking into the actual the cladding and then having, you know,
because then you get an issue of where do I
repair that cladding and so on and so forth. So
if that I don't know, one hundred millim of flashing
where it comes out from the cladding.

Speaker 8 (01:33:09):
Yep, it's probably okay.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
Yeah, then it's really your only solution really is to
remove some of that exterior stucco. What's the distance let's say,
from the top of the villa roof to the underside
of either the sefit or the eve or something like that,
Like is it meters or is it two or three
hundred mili meters it would be okay. I mean that

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the real challenges you know, if you just chop out
a piece right, and then you redo the flashing, and
then you just redo the the stucco, you've got no
way of waterproofing that horizontal join. So realistically the only
way is to you know, depending on how it's actually

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put together, you might be able to get a flashing
like a z flashing up and under. To some degree,
you may well be able to to do a neat
cut and then insert a flashing into there and silicon
seal that joint. So you've got your existing above and
you've you've cut into it, inserted a flashing there, and
then you've repaired the area below it. But it is

(01:34:23):
quite challenging really, and it's all about that junction, that
connection between old and you is challenging on stucco.

Speaker 12 (01:34:30):
I was just wondering if you get a skill sort
of a masonry blade yep, and put it on an angle, yeah,
along the top, but you couldn't get right down close
to the roof because the skill, so it would be
too wide.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
But you could do it with a diamond blade and
the grinder for example, you know, with something to guide you.
And yes, if you're able to undercut it so that moisture,
if any moisture got into that join it came out,
that's probably not a bad solution. What you might find
is you do a new flashing over the top of
the roof with an upstand and then you have a

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separate flashing because they're a little bit clumbersome. Otherwise that
has the vertical and then a return with a HEM
on it. So even if your cutters like four to
five millimeters and then that sheet that inserts into the
air has got a HEM, it's got a return on it,
and then that gets inserted, bead of sealant inserted, and

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then silicon seal the front edge. It's probably your best solution.

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
Okay, all right, very good.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Time, and patience is really really important with those jobs. Yes, yea,
all the very best, John, You take care and Jason
drain clearing.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
Good morning, greeting.

Speaker 8 (01:35:43):
Good morning, listen.

Speaker 20 (01:35:45):
I wanted to ask you mentioned lockings of drains and
I was just wondering as I'm walking around the town,
I see a lot of drains blocked and just along
the roadside and I clear cleared now then couple, but
I look at them and I.

Speaker 8 (01:36:01):
Think I'm not clearing that one.

Speaker 20 (01:36:03):
But there's so many of them that are blocked or
got stuff you fall over the top of them. Who's
responsibility is that is? Why is the council getting someone
to clean them?

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
Look, it's probably just money, right, because these things cost
a lot to get cleaned out. And one of the
reasons is I understand it they cost a lot, is
because the material that they suck out from there is
considered contaminated material, and so it doesn't just get discharged
to a normal tip site or something like that. It

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goes to specialist tip sites. And again, oh yeah, you
like McDonald's stuff, And it's not just that, it's also
the basically heavy metals, right, So if it's on a roadway,
it's got oil and petroleum based products and so on
that have come from carts. So the concern is that
you can't then just discharge that. So you get the

(01:36:58):
old sucker truck, right, lift the lid, put it in
the bottom, clean out the catch pit, get the McDonald's rappers,
get whatever else is in there, somebody's old unboot and
all the rest of it. But you're also getting a
lot of petro chemicals in there as well, so that
material then in the back of the truck goes to
a disposal site. Look, I had I was involved in

(01:37:19):
school for a while. I had a couple of catch
pits cleaned out and it was like five or six
hundred dollars per catch pit. Right, So you think about
the number of catch pits in a town. We're talking
thousands of them right now. Maybe they're doing it all
the time the rate, but it's going to cost. And
I guess all councils are under pressure for I'm not

(01:37:40):
making excuses, I'm just looking at realistically, they're all under pressure.
It costs a phenomenal amount, I am, yeah, But I
mean and I saw the pictures of some young guys
getting stuck in in Wellington saying, oh I just jumped
in and cleaned it out myself. That's awesome but also
just slightly risky as well. But look at council's job.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Just the top of them, you know, just the top absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
And I know Auckland Council. They had the Deputy mayor
out the other day with the local councilors kind of
asking people to adopt their local catchpit. Right, So if
ahead of a rain event. You notice there's lots of
leaves covering the top of it. Why not go out
there and remove them and so on? And I think
that's sensible, right, I'm still to be fair, I'm going

(01:38:28):
to have a pet peeve Auglan council went through and
built at went through and built all these raised crossings
around where I live, and I'm in order to get
a level transition from the footpath onto the rays crossing,
they put in channel grades. None of them are big
enough and they block immediately. It takes one leaf to
block them, right, So every time it rains, it floods

(01:38:49):
the street. And I'm like, well, hang on, if you're
going to spend quarter of a million dollars building a
level crossing, which is about what they cost per each,
at least you could get the drains right. But they didn't. Anyway,
There you go, Jason, there's my little synopsis on councils
and drains. It's really important work. It's just to be
blow not that sexy, but it's really really important. You

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Rid's back in the studio, which is going to be
awesome and he's going to be with us soon. So
if you've got a question of a entomological nature or
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greetings to you, ye.

Speaker 11 (01:40:44):
Good morning, love your program.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Thank you, Peter, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:40:47):
The housin Talisade twenty two years ago looks like Brian,
you still have it washed down once a year with
Kim wash.

Speaker 12 (01:40:54):
I'm worried about lifespan.

Speaker 11 (01:40:56):
Could you tell me what you know?

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
Well, it's twenty five years old now.

Speaker 17 (01:41:03):
Twenty five guarantee, I believe right?

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
And how old? When was the house built?

Speaker 17 (01:41:07):
You were saying twiveny years ago?

Speaker 5 (01:41:14):
I think it's important that we like there are mandatory lifetimes,
let's say, or durability around cladding, and shockingly, all that
it's supposed to do according to the Building Code is
last for fifteen years. Right, Oh gosh, that's all.

Speaker 8 (01:41:32):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
People freak out when they hear that because they go criky.
Does that mean that my cladding's going to fail in
fifteen years? No, it's not. It's just as a statutory
requirement as part of the legislation to comply with the
Building Act. That's the expected durability of the cladding. Now
we know lots and lots of claddings last way beyond that,
you know. I mean I had to pull off a

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weather board this week that had started to show decay.
But that's okay because the weather boards were nailed up
in about nineteen oh five, right, so you know those
old carry where the boards have far exceeded whatever. There
were no warranties. But look, I think what you'll find
is if you're doing the right thing, which is you're

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washing it right, so you're keeping it in good condition,
you're not allowing mold and moss and mildew to attach
to the surface, then that's great. I've got some people involved.
I know some people who sell the Palisades stuff. Happy
next time to bump into them and ask them how
long do you think it's going to last? But there's
plenty of houses from gosh, the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties

(01:42:41):
that still have that cladding in good condition. So I
don't think that you're in any imminent danger of somehow
the cladding failing.

Speaker 12 (01:42:51):
Right, Well, that was what I wanted to Well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
And like with most cloudings, you know, keep them for
as long as they are serviceable, right, and then if
something fails in time, sure, but I wouldn't act to
without genuine concern like moisture and grease or something like that.
You just leave it in place and continue to maintain
it as the manufacturer specified.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
So good on you look lovely.

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
Thank you so much, lovely to chat all the best,
take care bye. By then I'm going to keep I'll
take a photogo. I've got a great text around H
one and G four which is around ventilation and houses
being more air tight and some numbers and that. Sorry,
I didn't get round to detailing it, but I will
save it and I'll bring it up next week on

(01:43:39):
the show. It's just ticked over eight point thirty. Let's
get into the garden with red Climb.

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