Full Show Podcast: 28 June 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
A dog is too old to bar.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And we're sitting at the table trying not to starve.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Sissor home, even when.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
We are ben, even when you're the houses along, even
when those goes, even when you go around funnel once

(01:18):
you love your most.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Screamed does broken pants appearing in funnel.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Locals vesper when they're gone leaving the house, even when
Wilba ben, even when you're in alone.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Well, very very good morning, and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder, and this is your show basically to
talk about your place, to talk about the things that
you have done, need to do, tried to do and
maybe didn't do it particularly well and might need some
extra advice get it sorted out. But basically we can

(02:08):
talk all things building and construction on the show this morning,
so really looking forward to as we head into the gosh.
The last Sunday of June. Mataliki, of course is not
this weekend but the following weekend, which is kind of
awesome and I really want you to call. But I
also if you're up and about, take a peek out
at the moon. As I was driving into work this morning,

(02:29):
it is absolutely spectacular. I don't know whether there's some
particular significance to it today, but it's as I was
tootling down towards the Harbor Bridge and looked out and thought, wow,
that looks absolutely stunning. Anyway, that made my day to
be fair this morning. It was absolutely beautiful radio and glorious,
whether in this part of the country as well. I

(02:51):
know Wellington. I heard that new story about the bridge
and the wire upper which has been impacted by floods again,
so it's that classic sort of one part of the
country basking and sunshine as we were in Auckland yesterday
and other parts obviously severely impacted by the weather. I
was at an event on Friday night where a number

(03:12):
of attendees had tried to get up from Wellington in
particular to attend the awards dinner here in Auckland, including
the Minister Todd McLay. It was the Timber Design Excellence
Awards or Timber Excellence Awards. It was absolutely spectacular. I
might talk a little bit more about that later on. Anyway,

(03:34):
that was Friday night. Yesterday was looking out going. Gee,
the weather's really good. I think I'll go outside and
do a little bit more work on the ballasters that
were installed earlier in the week, just getting them ready
for prepping and painting. So if you are making good
use of the good weather in the parts of the
country that actually have good weather, then well we're in

(03:56):
a bit of a purple patch with the weather I
think in Auckland where it's just been so steady and
stable and beautiful days. But we will be talking about
painting at this time of year because because it is
a little bit challenging in terms of making sure that
it's warm enough when you start and that you stop
early enough to allow it to continue to dry. So Bryce,

(04:17):
our painting expert from Razine, will be with us from
around seven twenty five this morning. If you've got any
specific painting questions, please fire them through on nine two
ninety two or ZEDBZB and we'll chat about that with
Bryce at around seven twenty five this morning. As always,
we're into the Garden with a Hood client pass from

(04:39):
eight thirty this morning, talking all things gardening and the
wonderful world of entomology as well the wonderful world of
Bugs Ridge from eight thirty and after eight o'clock we'll
have that chat with Malcolm Fleming, who is the chief
executive of Certified Builders on one particular topic, which is

(05:00):
the current way in which the LBP class for carpentry
is managed. So I won't say too much about it
right now, I've got some fairly strong opinions as to
where I think there should be some changes, particularly in
light of the context for this discussion is all around

(05:21):
changes in legislation that will mean potentially that builders will
take more responsibility for their work, which I think is
a good thing. But then how do you distinguish between
because right now the issue is that there's basically in
the license building Practitioner scheme, there is a carpentry license

(05:42):
and there is just one class of carpentry license. If
you look at, for example, the design license, there are
different grades of that If you look at the site license,
which is about supervision, there are three different grades of that.
In the LBP scheme there is just one, and I
think that's blunt. I think it doesn't help people determine

(06:08):
basically who's a good or better builder than somebody else,
because in the end, once you get your license, you're
just carpentry won. And I don't think that's good enough anymore.
So anyway, that's what we're talking about with Malcolm. Happy
to chat with you about it right now or anything else,
because there's a lot of there's a lot of changes
to legislation. I was at. It's actually been quite a

(06:31):
busy week. I was at an event on Tuesday night. Again,
it's sort of a trade event with a whole lot
of builders talking in part about the introduction of the
mandatory home warranties, which will probably be in place by
about September of twenty twenty seven, regardless of the outcome
of the election. I don't think either any of the

(06:53):
major parties have any interest in changing the trajectory the
direction of this particular piece of legislation. So I think
from September of next year there will be a requirement
to have mandatory home warranties for all new builds and
all renovations over one hundred thousand dollars, including GST, which

(07:15):
is pretty much going to be all renovations. So that's
coming in. That's going to require quite a shift in
terms of how builders manage their jobs and how they
make themselves eligible for that warranty cover, whether it's through
insurance or whether it's through membership of an association, and

(07:36):
not everyone's going to be accepted by the various associations,
I think. So it's we're in for a really really
interesting time. So much changes to building legislation. So we
can talk about all of that, or we can talk
about getting jobs done. We can talk about tim or
we can talk about concrete, we can talk about tiling,
we can talk about waterproofing, we can talk about jim stopping,
we can talk about squeaky doors, about repairing windows and weatherboards.

(08:01):
Whatever's on your mind this morning, your chance to talk
all things building and construction. The lines are open. We've
got a couple of interviews. Actually another interview we're talking
with Anna and the next hour as well, who's just
completed a new build. So brief discussion with her, looking
forward to that. We're talking painting, we're talking about legislation
with Malcolm Fleming from Certified Builders. But I want to

(08:23):
talk to you right now. So the number is eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Text is nine two nine two
or zbzb from your mobile phone and if you would
like to email me, you are more than welcome. It's
Pete at newstalksb dot co dot m Z coming up.
Fifteen minutes after six. The lines are open. The number
to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today News Talks ab.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
I suspect that everyone's gone outside to look at the
moon now and they're not calling. I did think about
that when I said I'll go outside and never look
at the moon. Everyone's wandered off to look at the
moon and no one's calling. I'm sure you'll come back.
It is beautiful. I have to say. It was just
one of those turned the corner in there. It was
it was like, well, it was always there, just that
I happened to turn the corner. It's not just appeared anyway.

(09:19):
It was gorgeous and gave me a bit of a
smile on what's an interesting day for me? But we'll
leave that aside. Radio eighteen minutes after six lines are open.
Number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Yes,
texts are great. That's nine two ninety two is ZBZB
text from someone morning, Pete. Can you get a minister

(09:41):
on interview? Who us who is bloody accountable for checking
and in this case not checking for failed imported double
glazed windows at our ports that are failing? And what
does any family do right now after their newly installed
double glazed windows have failed, which is in the news.

(10:02):
I haven't caught up on the story, John, so if
you'd like to fire through a little bit more information,
I can certainly follow up on that this is going
this is going to happen right, And I'm again in principle,

(10:24):
I think the idea of making it easier to import
products into New Zealand without having to have them tested
for compliance in New Zealand makes a lot of sense.
The example that I would often use when talking about
this is things like and what they're talking about is
the importation of building materials for use in restricted building work,

(10:50):
i e. Work that requires a building consent, so it's
it's integral to their consent. And that might mean, for example,
a specified type of sealant. For example, so if a
designer puts down on the plan you are to use
X y Z sealant and it's a specific one you

(11:11):
should you must use that in order to comply. So
if somebody wants to import some sealant from overseas and
lets that come from a reputable company maybe in Europe,
they can provide all of the testing data, provide evidence
that it will comply with the New Zealand Building Code.
Then they can bring that in. Just provide the evidence

(11:33):
and it will be able to be used in restricted
building work. Now there's a couple of fishocks in that.
Obviously you have to provide the test data. One of
the issues is going to be is that has that
test data been falsified And I've heard stories where that's

(11:54):
exactly what's happened that you attached to the product. Will
be some evidence for compliance, There'll be some testing from
a laboratory somewhere in the world, and when they've done
some forensic analysis of the documentation, it's actually being fraudulent.
Someone has faked or substituted names in the test data,
and in fact the product's never been tested at all

(12:16):
and could possibly fail. Now, if you're bringing in product
from like I say, from an overseas manufacturer in a
part of the world where they don't tend to fake
their test documents, where you can provide good evidence that
the documentation is correct, that the laboratory is legitimate, then
the product does what it says that it will do.

(12:38):
Then bringing it into New Zealand and getting a New
Zealand testing firm to do exactly the same tests seems nonsensical,
and that's what they're looking to get around. But obviously,
in this particular text, some windows have come in from overseas.
They'll have been given a sticker or a label or
a little bit of paper that says they're okay, and

(12:59):
they obviously aren't. They failed, And I've seen a video
of a test of some imported windows where they failed
almost immediately when subjected to a modest amount of wind
and rain and a test in a testing situation. So
create an environment, in a controlled environment, install the window

(13:22):
as per the manufacturer's warranty or documentation, and then you
blow some water at it and you put in a
little bit of negative pressure and see what happens. And
if it fails under those conditions, then it's likely to
fail when it gets installed in the house. This was
brand new joinery imported into New Zealand in the last
couple of years and it failed almost immediately. And that's

(13:44):
obviously what you're talking about in the text there, John,
But hey, if you have a little bit more information
on that, I'm happy to do a little bit of
digging around that particular story. So eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty if you like to talk about that. And
another text is morning, does the square meter rates still
work when building? E g. If a builder says it'll

(14:06):
work out at X amount per square meter to complete
the job, what's included and what's not included in that rate.
I've never priced on a square meter rate ever, so
in that sense, I don't have a great insight into it.

(14:27):
I think where you do get square meter rates that
are reasonable as things like painting, for example, interior painting.
You know a painted could go okay, my rate is x.
There are y number of square meters in the building,
and for that I will prep it. I'll put a
primer code on, I'll do a top coat, and i'll

(14:47):
do a finished coat, and I'll do the doors and
architraves and you know, semigloss, water born enamel or whatever
it's going to be. And that's you can do that
sort of thing, jib stopping for example, tiling, waterproofing, these
sorts of things on a square meter rate. But doing
an entire house, I think it's really challenging when it

(15:07):
gets down to things like, you know, does that include
putting down floor finishes? Does that include tap wear? Does
that include all of the electrical does it include the
electrical fittings. You know, if you want to spend I
don't know, fifty dollars on a down light or five
hundred dollars on a chandelier, how do you include that
in the square meta rate? So that that's where I
find it gets a little bit challenging in terms of

(15:29):
the square meta rate. But lots of people do use it.
It's just in my experience, I never have I found
a little bit of a blunt tool. Twenty four minutes
after six, Joe, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
That warning to you, sir greetings. Yes, and an existing
structure from a I don't know exactly what year about
late ah, it's three new and Corrie.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yes, yep, so that'll be pre nineteen six these probably
nineteen fifties.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, and to in place install double blaze. There's
several windows, and I was just my query is is
how difficult or challenging would it be to them the

(16:37):
length to I actually have done building in sight myself,
putting windows and branch sliders. And yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
I guess if it's if it's a classic sort of
nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, seventies house even early eighties, and
it's got some timber jowery in it, but it's you know,
the timber jowery obviously is not reaching the end of
its life. Timber jowery will last really long time if
it's well maintained. But if, for example, it hasn't been

(17:10):
well maintained, or it was never a particularly good quality
or something like that, then upgrading it by adding double
glazing is obviously possible. And there's a number of companies
that have a really professional, thorough approach to retrofitting double
glazing into timber. But if, for example, the sashes are

(17:32):
in poor quality, or the sashes might be okay, but
the frame is maybe starting to show signs of decay
those sorts of things, then you're faced with that option
of going, well, maybe I should remove either all of
the joinery all of the existing timber joinery and replace
it with new joinery, or remove part of it. So

(17:54):
one of the models or systems that I've seen that
work quite well was a nineteen fifties house timber construction, weatherboards,
timber joinery, and rather than remove the entire higher window,
they simply took out basically all of the sashes and
any millions and that sort of thing. So you left
the framen which meant that you could leave the face

(18:16):
things in the head flashing and the scribers and the
sill in place because they were in reasonable condition. And
then into that opening inserted some uPVC joinery and that
literally went in millimeter perfect, just slotted inside the existing frame.
And then with the upgraded uPVC jowinery, you also end

(18:39):
up with new hardware and of course new double glazing.
And again in a nineteen fifties nineteen sixties house, if
it's already timber, yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
It's a tricky one, isn't it, because it's not like
a new girl per se. So I just was the
time factor as to how easy it is. I know
what I mean. I don't know the actual company, but
I know.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
That certainly in terms of time on site, you know,
I've just done some right. So take an old window out,
take the hinges off, redo the hinges, redo the glazing,
you know, tidy up the frames, prime them, undercoat them,
top coat them, replace the hinges, replace the screws, replace
the hardware, put the sashes back into the old opening.

(19:32):
Now it's my time, in which case I'm not getting
paid for it. But it takes a lot of time.
If I was doing that for a client, it would
be you know, a day, day and a half, right,
as opposed to someone coming in stripping out the existing joinery,
inserting a piece of uPVC jowinery that they've already had
made off site and straight in. You know, you'd do

(19:52):
five or six windows in a day, possibly a whole
houseload of windows in a day, as opposed to spending
weeks on site. So it is doable, like if this,
if the frames are in good condition and you can
deepen the rebates installed double glazing and make sure that
it's installed well and so on, or you could look

(20:15):
at a replacement.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Oh yeah, it's going to be fully hacked out basically.
But the thing is there's several windows which that that's
a little bit of the issue to refab and that
glue stuff is water tighter. And do you know that

(20:40):
tire stuff, I mean a tire stuff. What do you
call it? It's like a fitting placement that you like
it comes in a roll.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Well, you mean in terms of draft proofing, just to
ensure that you don't get air leakage around your windows
when the window is closed.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yeah, you know, do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 7 (21:01):
That it's not right?

Speaker 5 (21:04):
It's like a single adhesive with a foam.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Look, that's good to do regardless if your joinery is
in reasonable condition, but it doesn't have those those foam
seals around them. Or maybe what you find is that
over time, you know, the windows twisted a little bit
and you've got a gap at the top and not
at the bottom. It's a good idea if you use
that foam, then we'll just fill that gap in and
stop all of those drafts because that's basically all about

(21:31):
heat loss through there. So yeah, look, there's options, Joe,
I would suggest having a look online in terms of
the retrofit. You can go to the Stark website. They'll
have some information on there, and of course retro DG's
got a whole lot of information about retrofitting double glazing
as well, So both of those options are there for you.

(21:52):
All the very best to you, Joe. It is six
thirty one here at news Talk Set B and if
you've got a question of a building nature, you should
give us a call right now. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's starting
to get a couple of texts in for our razine expert.
That's Bryce will be joining us from around seven twenty five,
so keep firing those through. And someone's asked me about

(22:14):
fencing options uPVC versus or PVC versus. Would I'll come
to that after the break, But the lines are open
for you right now, so give me a call on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We can talk about all
of your building issues after the break. So eight hundred
eighty ten.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Eighty bexting what they forgot to mention on that YouTube
video The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building
Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today. Call oh eight
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Speaker 5 (22:48):
So Locke, my producer, has just been dealing with a caller,
a somewhat irate caller apparently, who took my advice to
say that the moon is spectacular and and you know,
it's just one of those moments you go outside enjoy
the look. You know, I couldn't find it. I'm not
sure how that works to not be able to see
an enormous yellow orb in the sky, but anyway, I

(23:13):
did see it. It is out there, and it was
spectacular the morning, and it was just one of those
moments where you look at that and you go, wow,
that's awesome, like seriously awesome. Oh eight hundred. Anyway, we're
not here to talk about the moon. We had to
talk about building. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you've got a question about building
around and legislation. And I know, possibly I go on

(23:37):
about it not too much, but there's just so many changes,
right and these changes will impact you if you're building
or renovating in the near future or the future full stop,
and whether or not it's something that directly impacts you.
It's certainly going to impact your build, and it's it's

(23:58):
going to impact potentially who's going to end up doing
your build, and it's it's I think it's probably going
to impact the cost as well. But the whole idea,
and this is idealistic, I guess, is to ensure that
if there is a change, it's all about this change
from joint and several liability to proportional liability in terms

(24:19):
of responsibility for potential defects into the future, and to
ensure that there's not what the lawyers are calling an
empty chair when it comes to a discussion or a
dispute around building defects and who's responsible for it and
who's going to fix it. That's where the mandatory home
warranty scheme will fill that space. Talking about that, actually

(24:43):
there was a it was a situation that first came
to light on this program about two and a half
three years ago where a caller phoned in and said, look,
I'm having some trouble with the builder. I'm not sure
that the work is going well, and I'm not sure
that you know, I should be paying as much as
I've already paid. And this is not an uncommon sort

(25:04):
of discussion on on this program over time. In the end,
that particular case, because I've stayed in contact with some
of the participants, some of the parties involved in it
ended up in a huge mediation situation just in the
last couple of weeks, including mediation that ran from I

(25:26):
think it was nine o'clock in the morning until past
midnight when all of the parties ended up coming to
some sort of agreement and now there'll be some move
I'm not going to go into a tremendous amount of detail,
but it's amazing the actual circumstances around this particular claim,

(25:46):
who was responsible, and what the outcome was, and the
time that it's taken to get that sorted out. So
I think they're well into two years to have this
particular building defects. The building didn't even get finished, and
it was defective before it was even finished. And we're
not talking buildings ten years ago. We're talking buildings three

(26:07):
years ago, which raises a whole lot of questions in
and of itself. Anyway, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call fencing options U PVC versus
would done plenty of wood fences, heaps of them over
the years, done lots of wood fences with like corrigate
Diane inserts, which I quite like uPVC. I've seen them

(26:29):
around and some people I know installed some recently. Yeah.
It kind of makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.
You know, it's durable, it's reasonably robust. They come in
pre finished panels and once they're in basically as long
I would imagine, as long as you wash them from
time to time, they will last pretty well. So yeah,

(26:55):
if you've had some personal experience of using them by
all means. On the double glazing, years back, we had
some double glazed into nineteen eighties cedar windows. They fitted
a wooden strip with a rubber seal around the inside
to stop the drafts. I can't find the supplier of
that wooden trim to do more ceiling. I can see

(27:16):
that there's a plastic version. Any ideas fitted a wooden
strip with a rubber seal around the inside, I would
go to a company like Glass Corp.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
They do.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
They supply materials to the glazing industry, so they're not
glazers in and of themselves or joiners in and of themselves,
but they will have a lot of those seals and
so on. It might not be a timber one. Or
what you might have found is somebody made the timber bead,
added the draft seal and then added it to the
sash to give you that draft proofing. Crikey, Lisa can't

(27:51):
finish find the moon either. What the hell? I don't
get that, ah, I actually know the moon is setting.
In fact, it's set at six o'clock. That's another texture
that's come through morning Peak. The moon set out west
off Muruway at around six am this morning. Well I
saw it at about you know, our past five, So
maybe it has said no, don't go out there looking
for it right now. Early bird gets the worm and

(28:14):
it was a fantastic moon setting this morning. Anyway, I
w eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. Give
us a call. I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Feel free to fire through your
text questions for our painting expert, Price McDermott from Razine
help be with us at around seven twenty five this morning,

(28:35):
live on the air with all of your ready to
go answering all of your specific painting questions. And to
be fair, the trickier the better, is how I like
to approach these things. I've been doing plenty of painting.
Actually I was out, No, I wasn't painting yesterday, but
I did go out and prep for painting, So did
a whole lot of filler and sealan the other day,

(28:58):
finished off some balusters, and then yesterday went round and
just prepped all of the junctions with a bead of
sealant so that when I do my top coat, I'm
getting a continuous paint layer that joins let's say, the
underside of the handrail to the top of the baluster,
with a bead of sealant around it, so that if
there's any movement, the paint has a little bit of

(29:20):
flex in it, the sealant has a little bit of
flex in it, and I won't get water seeping into
those junctions. Because it's been really really interesting to see,
in this particular instance, pulling apart something that was constructed
twenty twenty five years ago and seeing the impact of
moisture that gets in between two timber surfaces and collects there.

(29:43):
Obviously it can get in and then it takes a
long time for that to get out and sits there
over winter potentially and doesn't get out at all. And
if those two surfaces are unsealed, the amount of decay
that starts in those areas. I'll make sure I put
up a couple of photographs. Actually, I took some photographs
of what I was talking about, and I'll get those

(30:06):
up at some stage in the next week as well. Anyway,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The number to call
lines are open. Call us right now on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. I like these texts about the moon.
I'm quite distracted by the moon this morning. To be fair,
moon's sitting over the Tairi planes. Incredible. I would agree
it was incredible this morning. Right he Oh six forty

(30:27):
two gives a call right now, Oh eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Eighty, turning ohs into She'll be right. The resident builder
with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of
Kiwi building today. Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
News Talks B your.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
News talks THE'B. The lines are open for your calls
and comments on all things building and construction. So if
you've got a question, and maybe it's it's one of
those classics. There's a project that you've started that potentially
is not going quite the way that you It's not
following the trajectory that you expected. It's veered off course
like a SpaceX rocket. Hopefully not explode, but that's always

(31:07):
a possibility. To eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a question about building.
And I know psych of repeating myself that often we
do end up discussing the changes to legislation, but I
quite sincerely can't overstate the impact I think that this
is going to have on new builds, the impact it's

(31:30):
going to have on contractors working on new builds, and
the level of proof that they're going to have to
provide now for the work that they do and the
ways in which it is compliant, because I think that
potential where insurers will become involved in assessing the validity

(31:53):
of a claim to say that a building is you know,
they're prepared if they're going to take the risk. They're
going to want to know more about who did the work,
to what standards and is this going to be a
good risk for them. That'll be for the buildings that
might get the warranty via an insurance backed scheme. And

(32:14):
it would be interesting to see whether or not some
of the two trade organizations for builders in New Zealand
whether they start to have no reason to suspect this,
but you know, will they start to increase their increase
the level of requirement in terms of information and so

(32:36):
on about a bill to ensure that they're not going
to be warrantying a building that's not going to be compliant.
You're more than welcome to call on that particular matter. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number last
week on the program. Actually, at around this time, there
was a text from Joe talking about looking at a

(32:59):
building to purchase, so buying a new home or buying
a home that had a shower tile shower that hadn't
got a consent, and they were off to see counsel.
I've been involved in a couple of these recently, and
they can get very complex, very detailed, and quite lengthy

(33:22):
in terms of how long it takes to sort these
things out, if they can be sorted out anyway at all.
But in this instance, here's the update. Good morning, Pete Joe.
Here an update for the council. Read the unconsented tile shower. Yep,
it's a no go. They will sign off the finishing,
but not excuse me, but not the waterproofing obviously because

(33:42):
they can't see it, so it looks like a total
replacement to get a consent. We have since found out
that the property may have some ducks quest piping, which
the vendor had a cash job done to replace it,
but with no receipts, there's no evidence, so we need
to break into the walls. So we're walking away from
the deal. A piece of advice to your listeners, not

(34:04):
bothering with consent or cash job can bite you later.
Have a great day chairs from Joe. Thank you very
very much for that update. I did wonder where that
was going to go. And I think every now and
then there's kind of a casual sort of off the
cuff remark from either a vendor in some cases a

(34:26):
real estate agent saying, oh, look, you just wander down
to council, have a chat with counsel and they'll give
you a CEO, a certificate of acceptance, no problem, just
going you wandered down, pay them a little bit of
money all sorted well, that's never been the case in
my experience, So it is decidedly more complex than that.
If you'd like to talk about that, if you've got

(34:49):
a situation where you've had exactly that, or potentially you've
been in that situation where you're interested in a particular property.
In doing the due diligence, you might find that there's
been some building work and there's no evidence of a
record to say that a consent was issued, or if
a consent was issued, that the CCC that's attached to

(35:10):
that consent was issued. And then the decision is do
you go ahead and purchase that property and take the
risk or is that enough to say, actually, I'm going
to walk away from that. So if you've been in
that situation, I'd actually be quite interested in having a
bit of a chat with you about that, as well
as I would with all of your particular dilemmas and

(35:33):
challenges and issues and questions around building and construction. I
do seem to have opened up whole other topic on
the program by talking about the moon this morning. Hi, Pete,
I am, like you, always intrigued by the moon. I'm
also the same with sunrise and sunsets, which have been
spectacular recently. Today sunset sunrise is starting to look a

(35:53):
wonderful orange haze. Well, I won't be able to go
and see that from this particular location. We don't get
a view out to the east. But if you're up
and about, maybe listening to the program as you're tootling
along walking the dog, or strolling along the beach or
going for a morning run, I suppose catch a glimpse
of the sunrise. Of course, we're through the shortest day

(36:16):
of the year as well, so I don't know we'll
start to see those days stretching out of it. But
last couple of weeks in Auckland, on some occasions the
days have been absolutely spectacular and it was beautiful yesterday
and took the advantage to get out and again do
a little bit more prep so that maybe not today,
but certainly Monday's whether it's not looking too bad, I'll

(36:37):
be out there doing a little bit of top coat
on the work that I've been working on over the
last couple of weeks. Remember we're talking about painting. Remember
we've got Bryce, our painting expert from Razine. He will
be with us from around seven twenty five this morning.
So if there is a specific painting question, you are

(36:58):
more than welcome to fire that through on the text
nine to nine two, and I can present all of
those to Bryce, A couple of them already coming through
a little bit about interior painting, A little bit about
exterior painting. We can talk about that morning Peak says
another text to any idea what will happen with internal
waterproofing in the future, since the government has walked back

(37:20):
on licensing this trade from Chris no, but I will
It's on my list of things to inquire about. It's
interesting that it did feel quite straightforward that they would
introduce a class for waterproofing. I thought that it was
going to happen. I'm a little bit surprised that they've

(37:41):
walked back on that, given that it's one of those
things that seems to cause so many problems down the track, right,
and it's kind of a gap given how important internal
waterproofing actually is and the number of problems that are
caused by internal waterproofing. So we're talking particularly obviously underneath

(38:05):
the tiles in a shower that's fully tiled. If the
waterproofing fails, then you know, potentially you've got moisture getting
into the building, fabric into the building framing. If it's
on a timber floor, then you've got water getting into
the joists, et cetera, et cetera. You can see what
the problems are. So, given how critical that particular trade

(38:25):
is and how important it is to get it right,
why wouldn't there be a particular license, Because effectively the
builder is kind of taking responsibility for that. So I
will add that to my list of things that I'm
inquiring about in the same way. Actually, I'm looking forward
to this in a couple of weeks time. ACC recently

(38:45):
put out quite a really good little information pack around
basically how we hurt ourselves at home, you know, in
which part of the house and then kind of which
activities and so on. So thirty eight percent of injuries
that happen at home happen in the garden. And what
I'm intrigued about is how many of those, let's say,

(39:07):
gardening accidents versus how many of those might be somebody
working on a deck or a fence or doing some
diy outside and then inadvertently injuring themselves. So I've had
a chat to a couple of people at ACC and
James from ACC will be joining us sometime in the
next couple of weeks on the show, which I think
will be really really interesting. Radio. We're coming up to

(39:28):
New Sport and Weather Top of the Hour at seven o'clock.
If you've got a question, you can call us now,
we'll get things set up and we'll have a chat
with you straight after the news at seven. Remember painting
questions through for Bryce text through on nine to nine
two news Top of the Hour at seven. I couldn't

(40:29):
I getten.

Speaker 10 (40:34):
OK?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
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Speaker 5 (41:51):
So she's Harmaka Cardmon, Welcome back to the program. OH
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
And if you've got a question of a building nature,
you can call right now Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
You can text as well. It's nine two nine two
from your mobile phone and if you'd like to email me,

(42:13):
you're more than welcome to do that. It's Pete at
newstalksb dot co dot ZID so Pete at newstalksb dot
co dot NZED a little bit later on this morning,
in fact, not that far away, we'll take the opportunity
to talk to an expert about painting. So Bryce, our
painting expert from Razine, will be joining us at around

(42:33):
seven twenty five. I've got a bunch of text questions
for him already, which is awesome. Probably got time for
a couple more. I think we'll be able to squeeze
those in. So if you've got any specific painting questions,
please text them through to nine to nine two or
ZBZB from your mobile phone. We are going to be
chatting with excuse me, Malcolm Fleming after the news at

(42:55):
eight o'clock just around a particular issue with regard to licensing.
And this is something that I kind of I suppose
I'm banging the drum on at the moment. Well, and
it seems like there's a number of other groups within
the construction sector who want to see some revision some

(43:16):
the expansion of the licensing class for carpentry expanded to
allow for experience basically and proficiency. Right now, there's just
a carpentry one license, and I think it would be
naive to say that there's just one standard of builder.

(43:36):
So that's where we'll be talking about that after eight
o'clock this morning, as always, come eight thirty. As sure
as the moon setting in the sun rising, it will
be here at eight thirty this morning. So if you've
got any gardening entomological questions, we can deal with those
after eight thirty this morning. But right now the lines
are open for you to have a chat and to

(43:58):
talk about all things building and construction, DIY plans, projects, ideas, legislation.
I've got a bunch of tea with regard to the
this whole issue around compliance and buildings that are up
for sale where perhaps there is some outstanding compliance issues.

(44:20):
Typically what they are, it seems like the most common
one is alterations to a bathroom, particularly including the introduction
of a tile chower that didn't get a building consent.
And then there are issues sometimes where a building consent
is issued but nobody follows through and gets the CCC

(44:43):
the Code Compliance certificate at the end of it, and
then going for a Code of Compliance certificate let's say
year two years, three years, five years, ten years, I
did one two years ago where a consent was issued
in two thousand and two and nobody had done the CCC.

(45:04):
I can assure you it is quite the process to
work through that, not just from a sort of technical
and paper work side of things, but the remedial work
required to then get a CCC signed off by council
for that particular project was many hours and many many

(45:24):
weeks months actually of work to get that through. You
may want to chat about that as well in a
quick text before we talk to Ben. Good morning, Pete.
Our building consents for insurance. It's a very interesting question. Surely,
if a homeowner contracts a builder, a plumber and electrician
to do a job, it's between them concerning what they
use and how they build. Each guarantees their skills, and

(45:47):
they're part of organizations I maybe master builders or something
like that. What role does council actually do other than
office work and get fees. I'm just curious, as we're
off grid, we're not hooked up to the mains, etc.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Etc.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Etc. I guess a few of the political persuasion that goes,
you know, it's kind of lais a fair right, we're
all here acting autonomously in our own interests, and we
all act in the best interests of ourselves, and we

(46:25):
take responsibility for our actions. And why does government and
devene in that part of our lives? You would say, yeah, okay,
if you're a homeowner and you decide to get in
a builder to make some alterations and a plumber to
do some work and an electrician to fit it off,
why should the government be involved in that process? And

(46:46):
it's more a philosophical question. I think what it is
in the end is that there are we want to
ensure that buildings are safe and not just safe for
your use, but also safe for potential other occupants going
into the future. And the way to make sure that
buildings are safe is to ensure that important work gets consented.

(47:10):
The consent then has that oversight by council and by
inspectors to give some surety that the work is being done. Philosophically,
you could go, hey, just build what you want and
you take responsibility for it. But what happens when you're
not there to take responsibility into the future. Again, this

(47:30):
is why we're building consents. But it is a I mean,
you know, politically, philosophically it's a very very interesting question.

Speaker 7 (47:36):
Ben.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Good morning to you, sir.

Speaker 8 (47:39):
Good morning, Peter, Ben, beautiful morning. I've got a quick
question for you. I've got a tile shower YEP, about
fifteen years old walk and I've noticed over last year
there's water after on the shower for a while, water
starts pulling from underneath where the tiles in front of
the tiles hit the floor of the bathroom. And I

(47:59):
can't see any cracks at all. I've looked everywhere in
the tiles, but I know if I spray the water
at one at the front of the shower after about
five minutes and you start seeing water beating and pulling
under the shower.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Essentially, I think we have this perception that tiles and
grout are waterproof, and they're not right. They'll they'll have
some water resistance, but in essence, the waterproofing that we
put underneath the tiles is what stops the water getting
into the building fabric, whether that's timber joys, timber flooring,

(48:35):
our walls, and so on. The other thing that happens,
particularly of a shower of that vintage, is there's probably
not a water stop bead that was integral to the
waterproofing solution when it was installed, and it's best if
you go and have a little bit of a Google

(48:55):
search on this. But a water stop bead is essentially
your waterproof the floor of the shower, the enclosure area,
and then there'll be an upstand that you waterproof up
to and then your waterproof on the other side of it.
If you've got tiles on the floor, for example, in
the shower, and you kind of look at that and go,

(49:15):
you know, what's the purpose of that? What it is
is that water will track along in the space between
the underside of the tile and the top of the
waterproofing and find a way out. And if you don't
have that water stop, you might find that that water
appears as it kind of makes its way along the
top of the waterproofing, and that's appearing outside of the

(49:37):
shower enclosure. So I think that's what you're seeing there.
The really challenging thing is that the fix is basically
retiling and re waterproofing, thank you, So it's not as
as an interim thing. What you could do is either
if it's given the age of it, it's likely to

(49:59):
be a sementitious grount that was used, so that's slightly porous,
whereas today, for example, well, when Tony did my tiling
a couple of weeks ago, we used or he used
in a POxy grout, right, so it's much harder, it's
much more water resistant. But in that time it probably
would have been a semontitious one that's slightly poorous, so

(50:22):
water will be drawing through there into that waterproof layer
and then appearing on the outside of the shower enclosure.
You can if you go to the tile shop some
we like tile Space, for example, and get some grout
sealer and then clean everything thoroughly, apply some grout seal it.
It will give you a little bit of time. It's
not a fix, but it will give you a bit
of time. But I ultimately you're probably looking at retiling

(50:45):
and rewarterproofing. Okay, so much sweats.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
This morning's super helpful. Enjoy your day.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Yeah, thanks, Well, you know what it's like. And I'm
sure Bryce will will back me up on this. Painting
is all about prep right, The last bit is easy.
The first bit is what makes all the difference.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Yeah, and you feel better when you get the prenp right.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Yeah, absolutely, no, you're right, there's a there is a
satisfaction to that. Absolutely. Hey, nice journey with you, Ben,
all the best, take you all the this byey your
news talk CP. If you've got a question of a
building nature, you can call us right now on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Actually I'll just do Jackie,
good morning, Oh, good.

Speaker 11 (51:30):
Morning, Peter.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
I was just wondering if it's okay to have a
headed towel rail partially over a bar.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Yeah, it's It's not a straightforward answer. And also I'll
hasten to say I'm not a registered electrician, but there
is a provision where as long as the fittings are
ip rated and the supply comes into the bar in
a particular way, it might be possible. But if, for example,
you've got what looks like a PowerPoint outlet with a

(52:07):
cable coming out of it that has to be a
certain distance away from the edge of the bath, do
you know what that distance is? I would suggest that
you should talk to a register electrician and they will
have the legislation. There's also some pretty good guidance online
about distances and so on. But you might find that
it is possible to be close to it, but it

(52:30):
then triggers other requirements in terms of the IP rating
of the fitting and whether or not there's any exposed cables. Yes, okay,
my pleasure. All bestI Jackie, take care. We're going to
take a short break. We'll be back with you in
just a moment. It is seventeen after seven where Diy
gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Call eighty the Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcap and Independent
Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today News Dogs
there be Today.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
I'm joined by Anna from e House, Manua, Tu and
they've just finished building their own home, their own high
performance home. Windows and doors are a massive part of
the story. Enna, Can you tell us a bit about
the joinery that you've.

Speaker 11 (53:13):
Chosen, Hi, Peter, Yeah, I've just built my own family
home using the same high performance building principles we use
for our clients. I wanted a home that was warm, healthy,
energy efficient, in future proof for my family. As you

(53:34):
probably know, windows and doors are a big part of
the building envelope and its biggest weakness. So much energy
can be lost or gained through them, and if you
want a truly high performing home, you must get the
joinery right. I Fortunately, as we were going through design.
I came across UPCC joinery by Ambience by Stark for me,

(54:01):
UPVCS and no brainer, and especially the Stark offering. UPBC
performs significantly better than aluminium. It doesn't transfer heat or
cold from the outside into the home. And we're now
six months in. We've had some pretty cold one or
two mornings and we've had no commensation on the January.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
That's that whole proof in the pudding, isn't it. So
that's really impressive. And I've heard that visitors who pop
by are noticing the difference too.

Speaker 11 (54:33):
Yeah, they, yep, they do. People always comment on how
warm and quiet the home feels. We do back onto
a main road, and so when we step out onto
the deck with them, they suddenly hear the road noise
and they just realize the difference that it makes.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
So with the ambience and the installation, there's a flashing
kit that's all part of the system.

Speaker 12 (54:58):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
Correct. So one of the reasons why we chose Ambience
is their recessed flashing kit. It's really straightforward for the
builders to install, and it also lines up with the
insulation layer, which boosts the building's overall performance.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
I think Finally we're learning where windows are supposed to
go in our envelope, not hanging out in the fresh air.
And another bit of an unexpected what should we call
it test of strength hmm.

Speaker 11 (55:28):
We did yep. During the build someone tried to break
in using a crowbar on one of our brand new
sliding doors and they failed. I think, you know, there's
a bit of a misconception that you PBC is just
plastic and then potentially easy to break. Sure we found
that it certainly isn't was very strong.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
So given the experiences quite fresh for you. It's a
new build. If someone's building or renovating, what's your advice.

Speaker 11 (56:00):
Do your research, look at your window Joinery. I do
believe upgrade it as one of the best investments you
can make your PVC from ambience. Costs a little more upfront,
but you get the long term benefits, the energy savings.
You're not supporting a caller home in summer, all the

(56:20):
home all winter, and I think most importantly no crying windows.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Hey mma, lovely to chat with you, Thanks for sharing
your experience and congratulations on the new home. If you'd
like to find out more about you PV ceed Joinery,
go to Ambience dot co dot nz z B. Right, Oh,
let's get amongst the painting questions because they're coming in
thick and fast, because people love Bryce and you're the

(56:52):
fountain of all knowledge when it comes to all things painting.
Good morning, Bryce, Good morning morning mate.

Speaker 9 (56:58):
I don't think I'm the certain of all lad There
still things about that make me stretch my head.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yes, yeah, and I guess this is once you take
a deep dive into painting and the complexities around it,
and I have to say, just very quickly, I've become
completely obsessed with this, this whole thing around end ceiling
and the impact of moisture on timber that's not particularly

(57:25):
well sealed. And I know, talking with yourself over the years,
you know, you cut a piece of timber if it's exterior,
whether it's a scriber or a facing or a weather
board or a ballast or whatever, it is not ceiling
and painting priming those ends is going to lead to problems.

Speaker 9 (57:43):
Oh yes, yeah, and it's it's a five. Yeah, Well
you have to do. We've got little bottles of quick
drive with a on the top of them. You can
just stick that in your back pocket and once you've cut,
the timber just swished out along along the along the
new cas and the way you go yep.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Yep, and pulling some apart recently where that wasn't done.
It's really interesting to see the impact of moisture in
those areas where the timber is unsealed or unpainted.

Speaker 9 (58:17):
Yeah, well, you know, moisture obviously the timber expands and
then you know, you get those cracks along the grain
that just freak along the reatherwoard, and you know, and
the coatings start failing almost immediately as well. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Absolutely, And I guess this time of year, I know,
you know, it's incredibly variable around the country in terms
of you know, nobody's painting outside in Wellington at the
end of this week or last week rather, but Auckland,
you know, spectacular day yesterday, really good forecast for this week.
I'm still doing a few bits and pieces. I've got
some touch ups to do. I did some prep yesterday.

(58:53):
I might be doing a bit of painting tomorrow. It's okay,
but I've got to be aware of a few things,
don't I Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:00):
You know, just choose your your your painting time, you know,
and colder for instance, you know, I got some washing dry,
so dried as well. But in colder and days between

(59:21):
say ten o'clock morning and two a deal days been
a slight breeze and a little bit overcast. You know,
full is okay, but if you've got to a little
bit of overcast, that's the best thing to do for
the exterior painting. Anyway.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yeah, yeah, And I found that just in the last
couple of weeks too, that you know, on a clear day,
while it's not super warm, and then obviously shorter days
and so on painting and direct sun, it just it
fleshed off so quickly. I just I didn't get a
great finish at all, And in fact, the little bit
that I did I ended up wanting to redo because

(01:00:02):
it just I looked at the next day it was like,
I'm not that happy that paints fine, it's just the
applicators a little bit short on experience. So anyway, I
sorted that out. Let's get amongst the questions. I have
a house, says this texter that has stained outside in
the builder has suggested perhaps to paint it instead of
restaining it. What's your view regarding the benefits or not.

(01:00:26):
It's a tricky one.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
Well, there's all that it does. If it's a normal
penetrating stain, no, you can paint it. You've got to
give it a full coat of oil based food primer first, yes,
and then you know you can COVID coat with you know,

(01:00:50):
two coats of over the top. But then you know
it might not be stained. It could be a mineral oil,
which you know you cannot overcoat with anything except mineral
oil itself. But it could also be a film forming
stain as well, which generally because it forms well, obviously

(01:01:13):
it's a film Yes, you gen got to strip that
off because you know it can just not give you
a good base for painting over the top. So, yeah,
you're going to do your homework on Sometimes you don't know,
so you know you've got to take a risk or restain.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Yeah, but I suppose doing some investigation finding out what
it is that you've got there might be part of
the decision making and in some cases it might not
be practical. And I guess the other message out of
that is that for almost everyone doing you know, the
if you're going to do staining, then you're also committing

(01:02:00):
yourself to maintenance. You know, the time in between the
maintenance or the maintenance its requirements are arguably greater. And
so I think in almost all cases, if you're staining,
then you're saying, Okay, in two years time, I'm going
to be staining again. And in that sense, you know,
if you think stain is like painting, you can wait
five or six or seven years, Well you can't.

Speaker 11 (01:02:23):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
I several sterned conversations with with people around that, you know,
why doesn't last long? Paint to the saint? So yeah,
well you know, you know you've got to be aware
of these things.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Right, we're just going to take it
just down the line. Bryce, We're going to take a
short break and we'll come back with more of your
text questions, including this one about what is the process
for painting over new interior jib walls? So well, we'll
run through that way to go new painting over new

(01:03:01):
jib what to do? Bryce will answer that after.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
The break measure twice call once on eight ten eighty
the Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today newstalks, your.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
News talks AB We've got Bryce from Razine with us.
We're talking all things painting. So in this instance here Bryce,
this is the classic. Maybe it's some alterations or a
new build, brand new plaster board. It's been stopped, it's
ready to paint. What's the process?

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
Okay are we talking? Well, we'll cover both areas like
wet areas for instance, and rival areas, wheat areas. Shoe seal,
which is a pigmented sealer. You can use the waterborn
sure seal you know, or you know, the standard solvent

(01:03:56):
w yes. And then the the kitchen and barroom products
that we have that are waterborn like space cooat lochine
for instance, or space cooat flat or luster cral kitchen
and bathroom as well. So two coats of that. For
dry areas, you're looking at a coat of the crylic willboard,

(01:04:19):
seiler our broad wool. Making sure you've got a good
foundation coat of that, you know, just don't splash it on.
It's got to have a good, you know, even thick coat,
you know, to allow coverage and and for the performance
of the top coats over the top, and then you
can put you know in space coat or zylon machine

(01:04:41):
you know, you know, any good top coat over the
top will do you know, quite happily. You've got to
watch out for critical light areas. Now, if you've got
large ranch sliders or a big, huge ceiling with a
big you know, like teach your window at the one
end of the room, you've got to consider whether you

(01:05:01):
should go from level four to level five, you know,
to to avoid any you know, sort of or you
know there's a difference in texture between just the level
four and a level five. You know, I won't go
into that too much.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Yeah, sure, this is around how the stopping is done,
isn't it yep?

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
Yeah, basically yeah, so you know things like that and
even lighting can can come into it as well, so
you've got to consider that as well. Absolutely, you know,
you know, dry areas one coat of sealer, good coat,
two coats of acrillic. Wet areas, sure seal and two
good coats of acurrillic as well. Or you can even

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do enamel in wet areas if you're preserved.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Yep, or the water borne enamels. Yeah, brilliant. And the
second part of their question was how do I stop
the paint from peeling off when I removed the masking tape. Well,
I think they're using the wrong masking tape would be
the issue.

Speaker 9 (01:05:57):
Yeah, and maybe they haven't dusted down the walls too much. Ah,
you know, if you've left you know how material. So
once you've sanded all the stopping and stuff, if it's
not dusted down properly, then you know, the pain won't
stick to it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
I've had a couple of instances where that's happened, So
you know, just take your time and then you know,
and just work through it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Actually, that's a really important point, especially for new plaster
board and the stopping. So when the stop is finished,
they'll do the sanding, but they may not necessarily wipe
the walls down. That's kind of not part of their job.
So the walls will inevitably be a bit dusty. You either,
you know, with a fine broom something like that, make
sure you get all of that dust off. Then do

(01:06:44):
your broad wall sealer, and then of course you want
to give that that sealer will will pick up any
little loose fibers and so on and harden them. Then
you want to give that a really light sand. You
want to remove all of that dust again, and then
get into your first coat. And I would send them
between every coat until your top coat. Not not a lot,

(01:07:05):
but just a little bit, just knock off those that
little bit of further that ends up being in there.

Speaker 9 (01:07:10):
D nib as they say, de nib. There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
I knew there was a technical term for it. There
we go, nibbing. That's awesome. Now someone's doing some paint
repairs on remove weather boards. In some cases the beare
timber is showing the process for that. Also, if any
filler is needed, does it go on before or after
the undercoat? That's a great question.

Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
Genuinely, you undercoat and then nip around and do your
filling and your standing and then spot prome over that. Yes,
you know, putting filler genuinely straight to a timber. You know,
if there's any moisture or anything like that, you know
the filler will just suck that up straight away and
then it'll become a weak point. So yeah, undercoat and

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then fill and then respot prome over your filler.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Excellent. Okay, that's that's really good. I've been doing a
bit of that at my place as well. Cu Brice.
How to repaint white interior window frames where there is
a sticky light yellow gum like substance leaking through the wood.
This is from Wendy, So what she's getting is a
little bit of sap bleeding out from the timber.

Speaker 9 (01:08:24):
Hmmm, that's interesting. I'm just scratching my head. You'll have
to scrape those those areas back to be a timber
and remove what you can. But I'm surprised that it's

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still happening. Are they reasonably new windows? I wonder.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah, sometimes you'll just get like you get it sometimes
with weather boards, you know, you get that little bit
of sap bleed. It tends to happen maybe once, sometimes twice,
and then it stops. But I guess scraping it off,
removing it and then maybe an oil based primer over
it to seal it rather than an acrylic primer.

Speaker 9 (01:09:11):
Yeah, we have an oil based primer, what we call
aluminium wood primer, which is full of aluminium flake. It's
good for sealing our smoke damage and sap and stuff
like that. You may want to look at that, you know,
but it's just sat coming out all the time. Yeah,
it seems a little odd, you know, maybe it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Yeah, it might not have been the right timber or
something like that. And I think our previous discussion around
painting from new plaster board probably answers Liz's question as well,
which is about the laundry. So laundry would consider essentially
a wet area, so beer plaster board sure seal, and
then some top coats that are designed for wet areas,

(01:09:54):
like the bathroom and kitchen space coat that sort of thing.

Speaker 9 (01:09:58):
And then you know, an oil based primer, well, you
know all the aluminium wood primer that I've just mentioned,
it does go a fair way to blocking out you know,
the sap and stuff like that, but unfortunately, you know
it's got to be scraped away. You just can't leave it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yes, yeah, Now someone in the on the Tairi planes,
now they get them good frosts there, Can you paint
on some of the warmer days? Or should I wait
until spring? They're doing obviously some over some render, so
they're going to use the X two hundred, and the
X two hundred will span small gaps and cracks or

(01:10:38):
small cracks in a plast to finish. But would you
wait somewhere like that where it's you know, you know
it's going to be really cold at night. Be inclined
to wait till spring, wouldn't you? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:10:53):
But as I mentioned before, we give yeah, picky days.
The slight breeze between ten and two anything under two
mill the x two hundred will bridge you can brush
that into it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 9 (01:11:09):
Yeah, but we do also have a brushable crack filler
which is like really sick of crylic that you stand
the spade up and and you can brush that in
as well. You know. But again, yeah, pick your days,
slight breeze, slightly overcast. But if there's a danger of

(01:11:31):
frost or anything like that or de yeah, attaching itself
to the surface, have a look on your mobile you can.
You can check out the due point for each day. Yes,
and if the jew point is sort of like below
ten degrees, don't even bother, right, Yeah, and again, if
you're washing is not drying, the paint might dry as well.

(01:11:55):
I think that's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Such a simple way of you know, that that thing
if you're washing. Funnily enough, while I was doing the
previous today, we were doing some washing as well, and
it did dry, so I was kind of like, actually,
I probably could have done some painting today. But if
it's not going to dry on the line, then the
paint's not drying. Either. It's a great way.

Speaker 13 (01:12:12):
Of looking at it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:14):
Yeah, but we do have like winter grade additive that
you can use and umbrella editive in cases of a
slight shower. But you can't mix the two editives together.
You can't use them in the same backet of paint,
otherwise it'll just turn into sludge.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
But you know, if you're really that concerned and you
know that's just so cold, then wait until spring.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
It's only two or three months away.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
It's not that far. You're right, you're right. Bryce. Thank
you very much for joining us today, and thank you
very much for your contribution to the program over many,
many many years. I understand today is the last day
that we'll be working with you today, but again, sincerely
from me from all of the team, thank you for

(01:13:05):
your contribution. It's been an absolute pleasure. I know so
many people have got so much information from you over
the years. So my thanks to you, and well we'll
stay in touch. Look after yourself.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
Bryce, Well, thank you very much for that, and I'm
glad to have helped yep. And but you know we
run into each other on a regular we.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Do, so always look forward to catching up with you
take care of Bryce, all of us, mate, take care
your News Talks z B. We are going to take
a short break and we'll come back with Faye and
talk about the shower issues that she might have. It
is seven forty four here at News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Bexing what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video
the resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today Call oh eight hundred
eighty eight News Talks B your.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
News Talks B Peck wolf Camp resident builder with you
this morning. We'll be talking with Malcolm Fleming from Certified
Builders after the break Rid Climb past at eight thirty.
But right now, Faye, good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
It's good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
Pete.

Speaker 10 (01:14:09):
I'm thinking of tiling a bathroom because the old it's
correct and it's leaking of it. How far is the drove.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Wall got to go? When you say tiling the bathroom,
you can tell the shower and closure including the floor
and the outside. Yes, So essentially a complete tiled shower.
Is it to replace an existing tile shower?

Speaker 10 (01:14:37):
It's one of those plastic shares.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Okay. The other thing is this, it requires a building consent, right,
so which is you know, it's just you need to
get someone to draw it, you need to get someone
to submit it, you need to go to council, and
then once that's through, then you can go ahead with

(01:15:01):
the building work. In terms of the lining, so for example,
you can you use well, for example jib aquiline that
you can use and that can go on the walls
everywhere in the bathroom, including in the shower enclosure, and
it's a suitable substrate for tiles. There's there's a technical
thing around the weight of the tiles, but typically it's fine.

(01:15:24):
And then you know you'll need to use the appropriate
waterproofing system, including with things like water stops. That should
be detailed on your consent. If you don't want to
use plaster board as a substrate for the tiles, you could,
excuse me, you could use some fiber cement sheet in
that area and then extend that outside of the shower

(01:15:48):
enclosure and use plaster board on the rest. And I
guess the other thing is you know you definitely want
to do a complete tile shower. Is this partly? Do
you need a level entry walking shower?

Speaker 10 (01:16:04):
No, it's got to list on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Yeah, okay, all right, the new hawk and sorry say
that again.

Speaker 10 (01:16:14):
They share that's on the naw sort of lift on.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
Us, right, the new share be walkin?

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Okay, yep, then that will definitely require a building consent
for the just to make sure that the waterproofing is
done correctly to achieve a walk in shower. Are they
also going to cut out the floor a little bit
and lower the floor so that when you get the
fall and the shower that it's it's it's obviously going

(01:16:40):
to be lower than your existing floors.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
I'm not too sure that will all.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Be on the building consent.

Speaker 10 (01:16:48):
Yeah. Yeah, so if I go to a tiling place
they can sort of help me with that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I suppose it'll all start with I think ideally
you'd get a builder that you know and trust to
come in and sort of do I would suggest that
this pathway to have a look at it and tell
you what's likely to be involved in creating a level
entry shower for you. Then you, once you fully understand

(01:17:15):
what's involved in that process, you're off to a designer
who will draw you a set of plans. They should
be fairly limited in their scope, just plans just for
the shower showing how it's going to comply with the
various building codes, particularly around internal moisture. That gets submitted
to counsel, and then make sure that whoever does the
work does what's on the plans. That's the process. Yeah,

(01:17:39):
all the best your faith, take care, have a great
day by then. Uh and we're staying in the shower
as it happens. Andrew, good morning. Oh hi, hey Andrews,
thanks for adding.

Speaker 13 (01:17:52):
That's all right. Hey, I had my house find I
had one hundred and fifty miles of water through it
on a dark nine weeks ago, and so it's been
for there and I'm just an experience, but I've had
a fantastic two months ready the making good progress.

Speaker 14 (01:18:09):
And since I do such a good job, I don't
want to pull up on one small problem. When the
shower linings went up on the walls, pointed a little
bit of the shower bond that ended up on the
sower tray. Yep, And no matter what I've tried to
get it off, it doesn't want to move. So it's
wonder if you've got any ideas that had to get

(01:18:32):
it off and the crylic shower tray.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
So just for the purposes of clarity. The shower bond
is a specific type of adhesive that we use on
the back of the acrylic linings to make sure that
it sticks to the plaster board, probably behind the shower, right, So,
I guess inherently it's designed not to come off because
its whole job is to hold the acrylic lining to

(01:18:57):
the to the substrate. Look. I think the best suggestion
would be to go contact the manufacturer of the acrylic
showers and maybe they have a solvent, a particular solvent
that will not impact the acrylic lining, but will dissolve

(01:19:17):
the shower bond without hopefully leaving a stain on the lining.
It's one of those things that I suspect that if
you clean it off at the time, it comes off readily,
but once it's a seat and hardened, cleaning it off
could actually be quite challenging because it's doing what it's

(01:19:39):
supposed to do, sticking like crazy to the surface. Right. Yeah,
I would go to the manufacturer and see whether they
have a particular solvent that would remove it without impacting
on the shower lining.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Cool.

Speaker 12 (01:19:58):
One other quick question as a painting question with because
we had a remove lining up to data level in
the house, and we've replaced it with HARDI groove just
sort of make it and we're going to paint it.
Should I use an oil based primer to paint that

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HARDI group even though it's inside.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
I think there is an advantage to it, And again
I would check with the manufacturer in terms of what
you kind of want is a sealer that goes on
that hardens so that you can send it because inevitably,
you know, it's fiber cement board, right, so those fibers,
when there's even just ambient moisture in the air, will
get those fibers to slightly expand. So if you want

(01:20:46):
a really smooth finish, you want a seala that locks
in the fibers, makes them hard that you can sand them.
And in particular in the V groups, what you want
to be able to do is apply some some seala.
There probably an enamel which with say one eighty grit
two hundred grit sandpaper, you can lightly sand so you

(01:21:08):
don't sand all the paint off, but you sand off.
It's d nipping. That's what Bryce was just talking about, right,
You're just taking away those little fibers that sit there
on the surface so that when you apply your top
coat you've got a really nice smooth finish. So yeah,
I think it'll probably be an oil based primer that

(01:21:28):
you can then lightly sand before doing the top coat.

Speaker 12 (01:21:32):
Thank you so much, my pleasure much appreciated.

Speaker 13 (01:21:35):
And I've been missing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
To the so for years and never needed to bring back.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Well delighted. I'm delighted that you've called us today and
sorry to hear about the flood. In fact, if you
get time over the next couple of weeks, give me
a call because I'm really interested to see different approaches
to flood remediation in terms of what was recommended and
so on, So maybe we'll talk again. Thanks Andrew. I
was fascinated. I was down at Brands last year for

(01:22:01):
a bit of a mooch around and they had a
series of essentially small dwellings, like tiny, tiny two three
square meter dwellings that they could put a dam around
and flood them to replicate what happens if your house floods,
and then they could also then test out different approaches.
You know, do we put a dehumidifier it, do we
strip the wall lining off, what happens the insulation and

(01:22:23):
so on? So Andrew's probably got real life example of that,
but I found that incredibly interesting. Rightioh, we're coming up
to New Sport and where the top of the are
at eight after eight o'clock it's lift in time. And
also Malcolm Fleming.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Turning os into she'd be right the resident builder with
Peter wolfgam and Independent Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi
Building today. Call eight hundred eighty newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Well the curious a name.

Speaker 15 (01:23:13):
I've got a feel so very right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I'm just scared it. Kiss up all of my chair now,
one get downstairs, clowns in letting me jokes to the rain.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Here I have again, Well, very good morning, welcome back
to the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
for all of your building questions. But hey, it is
seven minutes after eight, and anytime after eight it's loft
in time. I know it sounds crazy, but if it's
I know it'll be cold outside. Hopefully your house is warmer.
Open the doors and windows, let in a bit of

(01:23:50):
that fresh, cold, clear air. In more importantly, let out
that sort of stale humid air that accumulates inside your
house overnight. Let's do it every day. You don't just
do it on a Sunday. So Sunday eight o'clock loft
in time. Monday eight o'clock, it's loft in time. Anytime
you get up in the mom wanting open the doors,
just a couple of minutes fresh in the house up.
Apparently there was a big article in the Herald about

(01:24:11):
it yesterday. Someone takes through so I don't know. Maybe
people are catching on to the whole lifting time at
RDIOH it is eight minutes now after eight o'clock. And
had the opportunity to catch up with Malcolm Fleming. So
this is our chat the other day. It's a great

(01:24:31):
pleasure this morning to have on the show and a
chance to catch up with Malcolm Fleming, who's the chief
executive of New Zealand Certified Builders.

Speaker 11 (01:24:40):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
He and i've chatted previously at conferences and that sort
of thing around the LBP scheme, and I think there
are some ways that it can be refined. We'll come
to that in a minute. But first up, Malcolm, I
know you're talking to your members all of the time.
If we kind of took the pulse of the industry
midway through twenty twenty six, what's your sentiment, what are

(01:25:02):
the members saying.

Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
The sentiment would be, it's like the last two years
recycled again. So we ended last year with some pretty
good sense that things were you know, the wheel was
turning and things were going to the better. We saw
Central government come out about October last year with some

(01:25:25):
big announcements. There's some schoolwork of a reasonable number. There's
about six hundred million dollars with the defense housing I
think it was, and the educational work was ready to go,
so that was presumably had already been documented and could
be put across to find a contract. So that was

(01:25:45):
a bit exciting news. And then we saw to the
December of last year we saw the Construction Pipeline Report
which MB put out with inputs from brands in PACIFICA
and they were talking about the twenty twenty five being
the low end of the low point of the cycle
and then raising quite in terms of residential building activity

(01:26:09):
for the next five years out from twenty twenty six
this year to twenty and thirty one. So that was
really encouraging to go into the new year with. And
for the first couple of months of this year we
were seeing some some good data internally, some good signaling
were seeing the uptake on building contracts Engency B building

(01:26:30):
contracts been taken up to a high degree than any
month last year, So that was saying to us builder's
got projects in front of them. They were also drawing
a greater number of employment agreements, so none had the
projects in front of them. They were also looking to
take on staff, they had some confidence. So all those
signs were there in the first governments, and the secret

(01:26:52):
advertising a big jump in construction jobs as well, so
all good stuff. And then of course we had a
round and since then there has been rice increasing across
the board building product products. Talking to our members, you know,
as sort of an average, it's sort of in that

(01:27:13):
sort of five to ten percent, and as outlawers lies
on that, of course we've got pp PVC and PE
for for example, much higher than that. Yeah, yeah, but
on an average for a house it's sort of in
that sort of five to five to ten. I think
context is quite important here as well. That for a project,

(01:27:37):
so say a house, about twenty five percent of it
is down to building materials. This is the other seventy
five percent is labor, and there's not a lot of
sense of that increasing any time time soon, But nonetheless
it is still damp in consumer confidence to proceed on
to their building project. So we're starting to see. I'm

(01:28:01):
just together with a group of our senior members over
the next couple of days already seen their responses to
the intail questions. Their pipelines of work are reducing. They're
already doing more renovations than new builds, and that's been
something that's been going on for the last couple of years.
That they're doing even more since the start of the

(01:28:24):
year in the renovation space, and the phone isn't ringing
as much as it was. Yeah, so that's all starting
to play out. But it feels like having a chat
about this earlier, it feels like there's an adjustment taking place.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I think we've all come to terms with the
fact that this is happening. You know, we don't necessarily
like it, but there's also not a lot that we
can do about it, and it's just time to get
on with it now. With regard to the LBP scheme,
and I was doing a presentation on this the other
day and someone piped up and said, what's an LBP.
So lbp's obviously are licensed building practitioners. We talk about

(01:29:05):
it all the time. It's part of our life. The
system was introduced as part of the two thousand and
four changes, pretty much came into effect from twenty twelve,
and then it's sort of been the same ever since. Now,
one of the things that's in discussion with you and
a bunch of other people over the last little while
is that right now there's just one category. So if

(01:29:26):
you get licensed as a carpenter, there is just carpentry one. Now,
I would like to think that there's other examples and
system where for example, if you have a site license,
you can be Site one Site three. It reflects skills
and experience, and I've been saying for a little while
that I think it's too blunt at all that we

(01:29:47):
should have several licensed carpenter's license as we do with site.
So what are your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (01:29:56):
So this is a topic that is dead to the
heart of design certified build members. So back in the
early two thousands, when lif Building Practitioner, the WHO occupational
Licensing class was stood up, there was an LBP carpenter
created the one class, as you mentioned, and our feedback

(01:30:18):
back then was it needs to be a qualification to
be able to be an LBP carpenter. And the response
from officials was then back then was we can't impose
that is a prerequisite because suddenly half the builders in
New Zealand, who call themselves builders, who don't have a
qualification or appropriate amount of experience, they can have their

(01:30:38):
livelihoods chopped off.

Speaker 9 (01:30:39):
At the knees.

Speaker 15 (01:30:40):
So they all got grandfathered up and up and the
scheme until such time it all bedded down and then
they can start imposing high prerequisits like qualification like a
certain number of years experience and other things. Well, two
thousand and seven became alive, so nineteen years I think
it's pretty well betted down.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
It feels like the LBP scheme has not achieve the
potential that the people that drafted the legislation in the
first place would do. I'm a big supporter of the scheme.
I don't want to see it changed dramatically, but I
do think that there is an opportunity to add more
nuance into particularly the carpentry license. And I'm coming, I

(01:31:27):
guess from a personal point of view, where Okay, I
have a carpentry one license. I know lots of other
lbps with the one license, but I know lots and
lots of lbps that have vastly different either experience, expertise, skill, talent, dedication.
And I just think that having it as just one
license is lax refinement. It could be improved. And I

(01:31:53):
think too that you know, for those that want to
be better, right, they can't be recognized within this situation.
So those who are into their own personal development, and
you know you want to be aspirational, right, there should
be an opportunity to move up through the grades.

Speaker 15 (01:32:09):
It's not aspirational and it's not providing a quality mark
to the homeowner either. So the opportunity is a is
a now because of these new legislation, Like you're talking
about seventy square meters, that's happening now. So all one
needs to be is from a builder perspective as being
LPP carpenter, and they have no BCO oversight, so building

(01:32:34):
Content Authority oversight. So what am I talking about?

Speaker 9 (01:32:36):
There?

Speaker 15 (01:32:36):
No building can consent require and no building inspections. You
touched on remote consenting, which has sort of sort of
gone off. The ball of it has gone a bit quiet.
I remember I was talking about it the last time
we caught up, but with fuel prices of that maybe
coming back on the onto the burner. But that's another
example again not needing face to face building inspections. We're

(01:33:00):
talking about SOL certification, not requiring building inspections, so reduct
the amount of BCA interface or BCA oversight. So what
we're suggesting to the Minister in officials is that if
you're going to give a builder the ability to have
less BCO of sites, they need to have a high

(01:33:23):
threshold of LBP rather than the basic version as it
sits the moment. So we've been just just for a name.
We'll be calling it LBP plus and the Minister has
been quite receptive to this. I've put a we've put
a paper together which is sitting with the Minster that
we're going to speak with the Minister, myself and my
board chair and over the next month to discuss that further.

(01:33:46):
I've been just discussing with NB officials likewise have been
quite supportive of the idea. So what the idea looks
like is this, So if you're wanting a builder that
is going to have less BCA oversight, they need to
be this LBP plus what does it mean. They need
to have a qualification. They actually need to be a builder.
They need to have a certain agreed years of experience

(01:34:09):
that needs to be determined. What that looks like. They
need to have some sort of quality assurance in place,
and they also need to have access, keeping in mind
proportioned liability in the move from September twenty twenty seven,
they need to have access to home warranties. Whatever that
looks like. So if they can meet that, then they
can go and do granny flats, they can go and
do remote consent, they can go and do SOL certification

(01:34:32):
those things. So looking at what they do across the
Ditch and Australias insightful because they've got a thing called
eyesert over there low case I and then capal sert
and so if a home owner wants a builder to
be doing certain types of restricted works, they need to
get a builder with a certain star rating. It's caught

(01:34:53):
three star, which is the general one over there, so
they'll find a three star builder. A builder who wants
to be doing that type of work needs to meet
the preyer requisite, so they can be a three star
builder or in our place, an LBP plus builder, so
they can do those type boards, otherwise they won't be
able to do them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Look, I feel like it's an idea whose time has come.
It feels like and I've looked at it, and I
can't understand from a government point of view, from bureaucratic
point of view, if there's any reluctance. It just feels
like something that we haven't quite got our heads around,
and nobody's prepared to push go on, what is a
really good idea?

Speaker 15 (01:35:33):
I think there's a lot of redistant get around to it.
So if I talk to some of my bilders and
you're going to be with my builders at our conference
this week, you touch on LBPS with.

Speaker 16 (01:35:44):
Them, and suddenly they'll just start rearing up and they
will be going, Look, we were told there's gonna be
a qualification, and we all thought the qualication is the
one you've got site LBP site. So a lot of
them went off and did site thinking that was going
to be where the market would be required and that
would be the quality mark. So whatever it's, the thing's
called an adjustment of an existent LBP qualification like side

(01:36:10):
or an LBP carpenter plus or whatever. It looks like
it's something that really needs to be interested.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Look, I think it's a really great idea and any
time that I can, when I do presentations on this,
it's on my list, right, I like to talk about this.
I think it's an idea to get good qualified carpenters,
to give them more responsibility. Whether we call it plus,
whether we call it carpentry one, two and three. I

(01:36:37):
just think it's a really good idea.

Speaker 15 (01:36:39):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
Look, it's a great campaign, and if I can lean
my voice or offer any support, I think it's worthwhile.
And I think that given that you guys are advocating
on behalf of your members, I think that's great. I
think that it should be aspirational. You know, if you're
an LBP, if you're a young LBP and you've qualified,
you've done a couple of years later and you go,
what's my next step? Right, because things like the old

(01:37:04):
Advanced Trade Certificate don't seem to anymore to the best
of my knowledge, So I think we should have some grading.
And I think it's a great idea. I'm all in Malcolm,
always good to talk with you. Thanks very much, thanks.

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Speaker 7 (01:38:44):
How many many years ago I built a eight meter
by six meter double garage. The garage was positioned with
a certified boundary peg. My neighbor now is subdividing down
that one of the lines of the garage, and although
a new peg hasn't been sited, he's talking about the
new site being half a meter towards my what what

(01:39:04):
has been my section? Now, if your scarf all that out,
there's a chance he's going to take out three chamelia trees,
which I've grown for privacy. Now, what would happen if
if the line goes halfway through the trees?

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
Can he take half the tree? Look that I guess
that just becomes one of those things that you're just
going to have to be hopefully civil and cordial and
logical about. But I mean the old peg.

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
Why would the peg you'd think me at least half
a meter out when it was a certified peg. You know, well,
maybe that's not not uncommon.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
Well pegs, Well, no, I tell you what can happen
is and it's it's an offense, right, It's actually an
offense to move a c mark. But saying that, back
in the day, I don't think it was terribly uncommon
for a builder or a develop or a homeowner to go,
actually it's a bit inconvenient. I'm going to wiggle that

(01:40:03):
peg out of the ground, move it over it, but
smack it back into the ground. And who's to know?

Speaker 9 (01:40:07):
I get that?

Speaker 7 (01:40:09):
Yeah, okay, it's just a simple you know, like I say,
his land, his land, but I thought, well, my tree,
my tree.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
But obviously, in this instance where the development next door
has triggered a requirement to have the boundaries identified and
thankfully the boundary is still somewhere, that means that your
building's not impacted by it. It just it's that some
of this planting, and you know, I guess the best
outcome would be to say, hey, well look, you know
these these well you might actually find and we could

(01:40:38):
always talk to Rut about it that in fact, the
trees could be uprooted. You know, if he's got a
digger on site, right, you scoop them out with a
digger scoop A hole is half a meter across and
just pop them in there, get a nice big root ball,
plenty of feed with it, and you'll probably keep them.
And then I guess there'll be a discussion about a
defense for.

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
Privacy and take they take a while to grow. Yeah,
just I thought, well, what happens?

Speaker 12 (01:41:04):
It can get.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
Tricky, But just ask him if you know it's been
an extra ten minutes with the digger and move them.

Speaker 7 (01:41:09):
With the Scarfoud he's got to do a block wall
retaining certified by an engineer. Do I have any right
to see that? Since it's going to infect my section?
You know, do I have any right to see that report?

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
I mean, look, I suppose morally, I guess you know
there's a part where you are the affected party, right,
so in order to assure you that the work's being
done properly, it's not unreasonable. You're not asking to make
any changes or anything like that. You're just saying, is
it okay that I have a look at the plans.
You know, you could probably poke your head over the
fence and go, well, it looks like they've got the

(01:41:47):
right starters in the right place and the right type
of you know, those sorts of things because you know
they're doing it for their benefit, but it is going
to impact on the stability of your property. So it's
fair that you ask for that.

Speaker 9 (01:42:00):
You have a peak. Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:01):
I just you know, it's better. I've learned that it's
not about causing grit, getting it right first time, so
you don't get grip.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Yeah, no, absolutely no. I you know, you'd like to
think in most of these things that people can be civil,
and you know there's there's nothing to hide, right, I
mean the he's not telling you how much it's costing
him or anything like that. You're just saying, can I
have a look just to make sure that the engineering
is right? And then you're assured it's going to.

Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
Cost two fifty to subdivide? How's that it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Yeah, it's a lot of well if that contribution and
all of that, Yeah, all of that it's expensive these days.
How all of this?

Speaker 7 (01:42:50):
What happens for the take care?

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
And I always there's there's always a part of me
that just goes when people talk about their workshops. You know,
eight by six. I went and visited my mate the
other day. He's just finishing his workshop. There is a
thing called workshop envy. I assure you it's alive and well,
I'm sure it's in the what is it the diagnostic
manual the psychiatrists us, but I've certainly got it. Just

(01:43:14):
before we talk to Rud because we are talking timber,
and is of course a timber expert. We'll talk about
that in a minute. I was lucky enough to go
along as a guest of the Simpson Strong Tie guys.
So Darren and his mates rang me a couple of
weeks ago and said do you want to come along
to the New Zealand Timber Design Awards gala dinner. I'm
always up for that. More importantly, what it was was

(01:43:37):
looking at these finalists from across the country who are
using timber in their designs, whether for large builds, residential builds,
community projects. There were some bridges included. The Grand Award
ended up going to the New New Zealand Hangar. If
you've flown in and out of Auckland Airport you can't
miss it and it's worth looking out the window to

(01:43:59):
have a look at it. But that all of the
award finalists were absolutely stunning and if you go to
Timber Limited dot co dot NZ online you'll see all
of the finalists. Have a look. It's worth checking it
out and it was great to go and celebrate that
timber excellence Radio. Let's get into the garden with the root.
It is eight thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
One where Diy gets unstuck. Call oh eight eight eight.
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