Full Show Podcast: 29 March 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks at B helping you finish that
five minute fixed you started The Resident Builder with Peter
wolf Camp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi
building today Call oh eight hundred and eighty to eighty.
News Talk said b.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
A house sizzle even when it's dug, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog
is too old to bar, and when.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
You're sitting at the table trying not to starve sissor home,
even when we are benn even when you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
You know, houses a long, even.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
When there's ghost even when you go around funnel you
love your most.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Screams, broken pans appeing in funnel.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Locals west when they're gone leaving these.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Even when we'll run, even when you're.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
In there alone.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
And a very very good morning to you. Welcome along
to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Peek
wolf Camp at News Talk CEB on The Resident Builder.
And this is a show all about building. It's all
about construction. It's all about the rules and the regulation,
it's all about the products. It's maybe all about the
people that actually do the work. Now, whether that's you

(02:09):
or someone that you've contracted to come and do work.
We can talk about I guess, quality issues, and contract
issues and payment issues as well. We can talk about
the practical, the which bit goes with which bit and
in which order, So selecting the right materials and then
undertaking the task in the correct manner. You know, there's

(02:31):
a sequence to most jobs. This is where you start,
this is what you have to do in the middle,
and this is how you finish it. So making sure
that you've got that order sort of lined up alongside
the correct products and methods at the time produces the
right outcome every now and then, when you talk to
people that investigate failures, it's a sort of well, actually

(02:52):
they left out that step and therefore the paint doesn't
stick because they didn't clean the wall, or the material
has moved because they haven't allowed it to settle for
a period of time, these sorts of things. So it's often,
I guess the interesting part to building is that it's
never just one thing. It's typically a combination of them
done in an order that produces the right outcome. So yeah,

(03:16):
I'd be interested to talk with you about all of
those sorts of things on the program this morning right
through till just trying to think now we've got no
interviews lined up today, we'll get a bit of a
chat with Mike Oltz from Razine Construction, and typically we
talked to Mike about some technical issues, whether it's about
the Integra cladding or whether it's about the X the policy,

(03:39):
the insulation or flashing systems, and that we're going to
put that aside just for a moment today and talk
about the fact that Razine Construction used to be rock
Coat celebrates forty years in business and that's worth celebrating
in New zealand certainly worth celebrating when and I don't
mean to be terribly negative, but I seem to continually

(04:00):
get emails from auction houses and so on going and
part of what they're doing disperse the actions at liquidation,
receivership and so on, and you kind of look at
that and go. Business is tough at the moment, So
I think when we've got a story that we can
celebrate forty years in business, we will do absolutely that
on the show this morning. So we'll have a bit
of a chat with Mike olds chat with a guy

(04:23):
who does tiny homes as well, And in fact it
was one of the things. Actually they're not really tiny homes,
but I went out to have a look at the
Portacom factory this week. It's just one of those things
that when I get the opportunity and I go to
different conferences and seminars and so, and you meet lots
and lots of interesting people, and then every now and

(04:43):
then I'll just sort of go, oh, look it's all
right with you. Can I come and swing through the
factory and have a bit of a look at how
you do what you do. And so some of the
team at Portercom reached out and said, oh, come through
the factory, let's show you around, see what we're up to.
And it's quite fascinating, this whole world of offsite manufacture.

(05:04):
I think most of us we'll get a slightly triggered
response when we hear the word prefab You know that
idea that something's made in a factory, it's shipped out
to site. Generally it's maath and all the rest of it.
Not anymore, I can assure you of that. So interesting
walking through the Porticom factory, seeing how they assemble all

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of their components, the design that goes into it, that
whole idea of modularity, of using some non conventional products,
let's say, in order to build structures that are going
to be durable and transportable and efficient. It was so
my thanks to them. It was a nice It was
a rubbish day. It was that Thursday in Auckland where

(05:48):
the rain just if down all day. If you've been
impacted by another lot of flooding this year, and this
is what third or fourth serious flooding event that we've
had already in twenty twenty six, I hope that you're
able to recover. Well, let's be thankful this time that
there was no loss of life. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

(06:11):
all things building in construction. Looking forward to chatting with
you on the show this morning, and of course, as
always Red climb Pass, who will be broadcasting from his
own home. He's a little bit limited with mobility at
the moment, is rud but he'll he'll explain that, I'm sure,
but he'll be joining us from eight thirty this morning,

(06:32):
So at twelve minutes after six, let's get amongst it.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
And Noel A very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Good morning Pete. How are you mate?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Very well? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Good good good. Oh man, that's got a Christian look.
I'm putting my fire out. Oh I want to put
it out. I don't want to replace it, but I
just want to put it out. My wife and I
think it's getting warmer.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
I don't think we need it now. I mean they
need to drops around with forward now. I don't think
I get there. I mean, but I need to get
there to take the whole through out to the roof
that I had to change the roofing iron, the whole sheet.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean, look at it. If you don't, sorry, it's
coffee there. If you don't shake all of the flu out,
then you've always got that issue around, you know. How
do I finish it off? Like does yours? Go from
the fireplace itself? Flu goes up to a flat ceiling.
Then you've got space and roof space. Okay, so you

(07:34):
could you could take the fire box out, You could
take out the flu that you see in the living room.
You could patch the ceiling and the jib board and
then leave the flu above you in that roof space.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Oh yeah, and there reason another reason why I want
to take it out. That's leaking. Okay, I'm straight down
the flue the water when it gets a good easterly Yes,
and it's raining as well.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, look I think you know Corrigo
diners is a really great material.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
It's not corregate, it's.

Speaker 8 (08:08):
The yep yep.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
So it's like a yes, but do you know because
you'll have to find exactly what type of roofing it is,
or if you've got a spare sheet left over or
something like that. So so before you start the job,
get the roofing iron, make sure that it fits. And

(08:31):
if you take a photograph of it and draw the
dimensions on it and send it to a roof for
or to someone like Roofing Association Roofing Industries rather, they'll
know the profile. If they've got it, that's great. It's
just if you can't find the roofing profile, you might

(08:52):
need to go to a manufacturer. But either way I would,
given that it's already leaking, I'm like yeah, but but
either way, if you can get the sheet, I would
pull the flu out out completely, take all the flashings
off around the opening, and then just simply lay a
new sheet over the top of what's already there, tuck

(09:14):
that up underneath the ridge at the top. You know,
arguably you don't even need to go right down to
the gutter. As long as you go down to yep,
that'll stop the leaking. It'll look a lot tidier, hopefully,
and then you know that everything's out and gone yep. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
And then the inside because because they have another free.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Inside the fruit that's right, it'll be a double lined yep.
But I just take everything out, take the flashing off
the top. It'll be like a big rubber boot that
sort of sits around the top there. What's the Yeah, okay,
you're okay being up there, a telescopic Yeah, brilliant, brilliant.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Look.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I don't think I think you're onto it. So as
long as you can find the roofing, repair it and
and it's job done, okay, But please please do be
careful up there, think all right, all the best, take
care because of course Noel as a homeowner, he can
jump up onto his roof and move around anyone who's
doing it as trade basically being paid for it means

(10:26):
that you then have to comply with health and safety
at work, at etc. You'd need to make some provision
for either wearing a harness or having some scaffolding or
something like that there to ensure that what you're doing
is going to be safe.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
Up there.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is just coming up seventeen minutes after six. We'll
talk to Brian in a moment if you'd like to
join us. We've got plenty of time this morning. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two on
the text machine, but give us a call. Now's a
great time on This will be the last Sunday before
we jump out of daylight saving back into regular time

(11:00):
next Sunday, which is Easter. By the way, it's a
bit odd moving out of daylight saving on Easter. Why
it should be odd, but it just feels like it's
not really the day that you do it. But anyway,
that's that's what's going to happen. I'm just telling you
because someone told me, oh, daylight saving tomorrow, and I'm like, ah,
I don't think so. I think it's a little bit later,

(11:22):
and it is. It's next Sunday. Don't worry I'll be
here next Sunday as well. I'll tell you all about
it then, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty back in
a month.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Where DIY gets unstuck cool Oh eight hundred eighteen ten eighty.
The resident builder with Peter Worlfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building Today News talks.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
There'd be right, he Oh it is six twenty one.
If I say that slowly enough, the little the big
hands catching up with a little hand and all the
rest of it. Apparently they're taking out analog clocks from
schools because kids can't read the time. So I know Locke,
who was a young person, is disgusted by his peers.

(12:02):
But anyway, I say that only because we've well, we've
got a digital analog clock in the studio, which is
awesome because to be fair, for the last fourteen years,
because I arrive here on a Sunday morning, often the
first person to arrive and work in this particular studio
that for many, many years had a simple battery operated
clock on the wall which was never at the right time.

(12:24):
But anyway, I would hop up onto a chair, take
it down, change the time, put it back up again,
doing so while standing on a swiveling chair in a studio,
it breaches all sorts of health and safety regulations. But anyway,
to date, no injuries. Now I don't need to do
it because we've got the splash new digital clock. Anyway,

(12:45):
that's what it looks like at my place right now,
is in the studio, Brian, good morning.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yes, good morning presents. We've got a thirty year old
orange brick house. Along the southeastern side of the house
is a concrete path that runs right up to the
brick wall. We've noticed that there's quite a bit of
graying on the bricks. Would that be because of the

(13:13):
bricks itself or the concrete path.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
When you say graying on the bricks, it's so often
or sometimes we'll get that efflorescence that comes out of me.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
I was wondering if it was that out of the
bricks or something the same sort of thing coming out
of the concrete path.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
The only thing with the efforescence is that often it
is it is quite white. It's obviously white. Yeah, yeah,
well this is looking more gray gray, okay. Yeah, And
it's so where the concrete path abuts the bricks, is
that still below ground level as a blow floor level rather. Yes, okay, so.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
In the I'm just wondering also the there was it
not the the the concrete and between the.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Bricks the mortar Yeah, sorry, and the mortar is witch
color gray yeah, okay. And so it's only happening on
the south side of the building. Yeah, And it's only
happening on the bricks close down to the path.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
And does it if you rub it, does it come off?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
No?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Well not stro No, I don't think so. I haven't
actually tried rubbing it.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean, I know we typically think about brick
as being you know, not requiring any maintenance, but a
thorough washed down from time to time, and if you
wanted to, you could use what you might use just
for example, clear off if essence from brick work as well,
so a very diluted spirit assaults or there are some

(15:11):
specialized you know, efflorescence removers, and then give that side
of the building a rinse, apply the solution, agitate lightly
and rinse off and just see whether that just knocks
it back inside the house on that southern side. Do
you think you've got any issues with mold or moisture? Okay,

(15:35):
So it's purely cosmetic in the sense of its appearance.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Okay, I think without seeing it and it's a little
bit challenging, but you know, if you wanted to remove it,
then maybe have a look at some of the as
mentioned that the efforescence remov all type products and just
give that side of the building a washdown. See if

(16:04):
that knocks it back a bit, and if not, I
might get you to send me a photograph in this instance,
all right, I already suggested that l oh clr. Yeah,
probably wouldn't hurt. That's a good starting place. So I've

(16:25):
used that for cleaning off you know, rough spots and
lime and those sorts of things. So yeah, I would
dilute it down, apply it on, rinse it off, agitate,
rinse it off. So have a go, because it's not
going to hurt it, I think.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Okay, just using your hose rather than a water blast.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh yeah, no, stay away from I mean, you know
I've said this thousand times. I love water blasting, right,
but you've got to use it in the right situation,
in the right time, and there's no need to water
blast there. Actually, you could use the water blaster at
a distance and not necessarily at high pressure, so you

(17:06):
don't want to be doing is You know how often
if you want to wader blast a path, you go
down nice and close to it and you get rid
of all the moss and mold. You want to stand
back a little bit, but apply pressure without blasting. As
the best way of describing.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Good luck all mate, all the best, Take care and John,
good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (17:28):
Good morning feet. I've got a window.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
I'm fixing up a window for a friend of mine, Cedar,
and there's rot in the bottom corner of the put
the hole for pain.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
And not the window frame.

Speaker 10 (17:43):
But but you know, yes, yeah, the sash and it's
gone up about fifty email up the vertical and about
the same maybe a bit longer, and the horizontal. I've
cut all that out and I've got a nice space

(18:04):
in there. I thought about sort of going around the
corner with some marine gray plywood to strengthen the join. Well,
my question is how do I glue it in?

Speaker 5 (18:18):
I've got pretty good surfaces.

Speaker 10 (18:20):
Yes, should I use a you're a saying, you know,
foaming type glue or should I just bog it in
with a builder's bog?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I wouldn't use the builder's bog as an adhesive, because
it's not really designed to be an adhesive. And interestingly enough,
I was heading in the same as you were describing it.
I was thinking, because you've got rot that's gone let's
say on two axis, right, it's gone up and across
and obviously on the corner that's going to potentially impact
on the integrity of that join. And I was thinking, gosh,

(18:54):
if I was repairing that, would I make up like
a little L bracket in timber or imply and then
put that in. And that's obviously where you're heading as well,
So I think we're on the same page there. Look,
there's any number of really good two pot epoxies that
you can use as adhesive. So there'll be some ados,
there'll be EPI glass, I think, make one, but I

(19:19):
would go and buy one of those two pot epoxy solutions.
So clean the area out, make sure that your piece
of timber fits quite well. I'd be inclined possibly to
let that timber sit slightly below the surface and then
fill over the top or leave it proud and sand

(19:39):
it flat. That might actually be a better solution. So
lots of epoxy around it, bed that in clemp it
in let the epoxy go off. It's probably twenty four
hours or so sand it use an oil based primer
on there, and yeah that I think that would be
a really good repair. And then you'll flush it off

(20:00):
with a you could use one of the interesting things
about builders bog and lost track of how many buckets
of it I've used over the years. You can't use
it on painted surfaces. It has to go on to
a bear surface, whereas other products. And I've just I've

(20:21):
got a file in my photographs of products that I've
got at home, so I'm just going to quickly see
if i can find that for you. Except now there's
a new setting on your phone, and for the life
of me, it gets here.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
We go.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Is the winter? Have you been able to do this
without the glass being damaged?

Speaker 10 (20:50):
Yeah, no, the glass is fine. There's probably about a
third of the joint is still sound.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh yeah, okay, so I'm not you.

Speaker 10 (21:02):
Know, I just don't think it's quite enough too for
the integral the whole thing if it starts moving, you know,
opening and closing. So that's why i'd put in the plywood,
or I thought of that laminating cedar in there, but
fly easier.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, absolutely, I'll have to dig it out. Just stay
listening for a few minutes and I'll see if i
can find. It's really annoying that now Phatos have upgraded
and now I can't find anything, which is awesome. I'll there, look,
I go with the plywood, go with the two pot
of POxy, finish it off with some oil based primer,

(21:41):
and job done. Thank you very much, pleasure, nice job,
take care of all the best, Bobby. Just with the
read the gray bricks. I've seen it before where it
could be water sprinklers, and if he's on bore water,
it could be high and iron and that leaves a
gray stain very hard to get off. But I've used

(22:03):
some chemicals from a tiling shop. When it's off, I
use dry penetrating sealer on that wallace from Muzz, who's
regular contributor. So thanks for that read the gray bricks.
I've seen it before. If you're on bore water, that
might be high and iron. Interesting and someone has schooled
me on daylight saving, which is fair enough. Daylight saving
is always on the last Sunday in September and the

(22:25):
first Sunday in April. Regardless of when Easter is fair enough,
How is it that I don't have a memory of
daylight Saving being on Easter Sunday. It must have happened
before either way. Next Sunday is Easter Sunday, and it's
also daylight saving. And just by the bye, Good Friday,

(22:46):
of course is just for East Sunday. And I'll be
here doing six to all nine on Good Friday morning
as well. There you go an extra shift during Holy Week. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number four
quick text before we go to the next break as well. Hey,
Peat sixty five inch TV Ooh, you need to put

(23:06):
it on the wall. It's a steel stud. What kind
of screws do I need? Prefer something I can whack
on my impact drill, Nate. You go easy on the
impact drill, Nate. So what you want is a fine
thread screw to fix the plate to the steel stud.

(23:27):
And in fact, yeah, using an impact driver, you can
easily overtalk it and effectively strip. You won't strip the
thread on the screw, but you'll bore out the thread
that you've wound into the steel stud if you overtalk it.

(23:47):
And so it won't bite because, I mean, the steel
studs relatively thin gauge. So if you're a little bit
over enthusiastic with your impact drill, you just got to
go really slowly and just wind that in nice and slow,
and don't try and overtalk it because you'll strip out
the thread that you've created in them in the metal stud.

(24:07):
But some metal thread or fine thread sometimes with the
drill bit on the end, it looks like a drill
bit that'll get you through the steel stud and then
wind it in. That should work, but just a little
bit gentle. It is six thirty three. We'll talk to
Jenny in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Measure twice call once on eighty eight. The resident builder
with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of
ken we Building Today.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
News talks be your news talks, there'd be. It is
six thirty six and Jenny, good morning, Good morning, greetings.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
I've got a water leak problem around the area of
my French doors. Went it rained heavily, so I had
an extensive repair of that approximately three years ago. The
removes are so replastered. Did quite a bit of work
and it's all the entire painted etcetera. Late last year,

(25:10):
I noticed just the door frame was bulging at the
bottom and it was all soggy and paint cracking that
sort of thing. So called them builders back again. So
what we've done in the meantime, it's been a bit
difficult to work out exactly where it's coming from. It
doesn't seem to be the doors itself, but so they've

(25:33):
cut a big hole of redok size hole. It's happening
in two places, both sides of the French doors. There's
like the four panels just the doors open in the
middle toe and they've cut a big hole out so
we can see where the leak's coming and remove the
gym that sort of thing, and for it to dry out.

(25:55):
They've also put in a bit more sala and put
a flashing underneath the sill on the outside. I have
got a drainage channel there that's been there since the
second one. That seems to be working, so I don't
think the water's coming in there. But when it rained again,

(26:18):
there's still a bit more water coming in. So he
was going to come back and maybe put the hose
or hasn't turned up. So I did that myself, but
I could still see a little bit of water coming in,
so just reluctant to close it up. Have you at
the moment with the problem still there. I think it
was a garage initially, so it's been the odd comment

(26:42):
that it's a bit low to the tiles outside.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Will make difference. So a couple of quick questions. The
doors are timber or aluminium timber? Timber, okay? And they
were sort of retro fitted into the space. If it
was originally something else, it might have been a garage
door and now it's a timber No, I.

Speaker 12 (27:08):
Don't think the garage door.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And then the cladding around the doors is what sort
of cladding?

Speaker 12 (27:20):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
What's the exterior of the building or rough casts? So
a plaster system of some description over timber or over.

Speaker 12 (27:36):
Over I don't know he did replaster around.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
If you've been able to cut the GiB bought out
from the inside, that's a timber frame that you're seeing,
isn't it. Yes, yeah, okay, so it's timber stud wall
and then render on the outside. When when they installed
the window, you weren't there. But I just wonder whether
when they installed the window, did they remove some of

(28:02):
the plaster around it in order to get some flashings
and there, and then bring the plaster up to the
side of the joinery because again, you know, if, for example,
it's a retrofit situation where the wall is there, then
a hole is cut in the wall, then the joinery
is inserted. Sometimes people don't, you know, take the plaster

(28:26):
off around it and create a flashing around it. I
guess the other thing is is your cladding, your plaster
cladding direct fixed to the timber frame or is there
a cavity batton is there a gap between them?

Speaker 12 (28:42):
Really don't know.

Speaker 11 (28:43):
I know when they put the door frame, and I
did see the guy do the plastering, but.

Speaker 12 (28:49):
Look, I really can't.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Without wanting to sound smoke. This is this Funnily enough,
when I started the show today, I was describing situations
I guess in construction where it's never just one task,
it's a series of tasks done in a particular order
to create a really good outcome. So if we think
about something relatively simple like installing a set of French
doors into an existing opening, you know, in your case

(29:17):
you'd be talking about having a sill flashing put in
that's got a fall to the outside. So that within
timber joinery, there's like a little groove in the jam
and in the sash, and at the bottom where it
meets the sill, typically there's little hole, little OUs water
to drain through, hit that flashing on the underside of

(29:37):
the sill and drain out. Now, if that's not there,
then any water that's caught between the frame and the
sash has got nowhere to go, and so it's finding
another way either in or out. And if it can't
find a way out, it'll find a way in. And
that's what you might be seeing. So you know, again

(29:58):
it's that process of you create the opening, you need
to flash the opening, you need to install the sill
tray or the sill flashing, you need to install the joinery,
you need to install the head flashing, you need to
make sure that there's a drainage pathway that's in the joinery.
And then really interesting too, at the bottom there if

(30:19):
the door is too close to the sill, it won't
allow water to drain out, So you need at least
a four milimeter gap at the bottom, because otherwise water
will just sit there and be held there by surface
tension in there. So sometimes and you know, I'm still

(30:44):
tracking a leak on in a job that's not dissimilar
to this, right, But I don't have the luxury of
being able to pull the inside lining off right because
like in what you've described, there could be two or
three potential pathways for that water to get inside.

Speaker 12 (31:04):
Well, I think so too, because the sea.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, see, I wonder whether it's part of the issue.
Might be that Again, if there's not the right type
of flashing detail around the side of the windows in
terms of how the cladding comes up to the to
the joinery unit, you could be getting water in there,
and that would explain why you've got it on both sides, right.
If there's lack of detailing on both sides of the joinery,

(31:31):
then when it rains, it'll come in both sides of
the joinery. The Now that you've got the lining off
the inside, and if the builder is able to come back,
I think the right approach is to use a hose. Yeah,
use a hose and see if you can make it leak,

(31:52):
because you'll be able to see it quite quickly on
the inside hopefully. But I do wonder whether in order
to fix this properly, you might actually need to take
the joinery out, reinstall it correctly, because adding like as
soon as someone says to me, I've just put some
more sealant around it. Sealant should never be your waterproofing. No,

(32:20):
your design detail and installation, including all of the flashings
that should be what keeps your building weather tight. To
rely solely on sealant I don't think is a great
I'm not saying sealent doesn't have its place, but it
shouldn't be your primary line of defense. Your methodology and
your flashing should be. So if they're not there because

(32:43):
the person who installed it didn't add them, then you
may need to take that joinery suite out, do the flashings,
which might include having to knock a bit of plaster
off and that sort of thing, to install it correctly
to ensure that you don't have the problem come back again.
So maybe you need to talk to the builder, and
if the builder is a bit unsure about that sort
of thing to be blunt, you might need to find
another builder.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yes, what I was just say the sort of was
this extense of repair done so that three years ago, Yes,
a coss meet round about seven thousand dollars. So I'm
just wondering where do I stand now with them coming
back to do this, Do I am I up for
all this?

Speaker 12 (33:19):
Yeah, failure? Or is it maybe to just design there
a bit low? I just don't want to.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, I guess it's a bit awkward.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
I'm just not sure.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
No, I hear what you're saying, because you know that's
not a It's not like you paid someone to just
squirt some sealing around the place, right. You know, seven
thousand dollars is a reasonable amount of money to spend,
and it's not unreasonable for you to expect that the
repair then should have been a permanent repair done to
a similar standards as new building work, or or an

(33:54):
alteration and renovation. And therefore if it's failed, I mean,
it didn't fail straight away, so it must have been
half way decent repair, but it hasn't lasted as long
as you would like it to last, right.

Speaker 12 (34:05):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Possibly it's a leak from another source, so what they
did fixed one leak, but you've got another one, in
which case it's not related to the first repair. I
think that's just going to be a discussion with your builder.
And I mean, look, the fact that someone who was
who did the work seven years ago, is prepared to
come back and look at it again. That would say
to me that they've got reasonable confidence that they'll come

(34:30):
and help you out.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
But I'm just yeah, they.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
Will come back to me. I haven't just wondered what
you know?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, I think you've got to take a sort
of big view of it and go that it could
be from an area that we haven't investigated before. Okay, yeah, okay,
all the best will that take care. They are complex, right,
and sometimes we look for simple answers and then realize

(34:57):
that building is actually complex and they're not always simple answers.
I hope that works out well. We'll talk to Chris
in a moment. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty couple
of Sorry, Pete. I wasn't trying to school you, and
I'm not suggesting that you were, and I'm not offended
by it, but thank you very much for pointing it

(35:17):
out like you. I can't remember it happening on Aneasta before,
so I googled it. Apparently twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one,
which isn't that long ago. I should have remembered that.
But anyway, there you go. Thank you very much, Jason.
I really appreciate the insights. It is six forty seven.
We need to take a break. Then we'll talk to
to Chris after the break.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Begs in what they forgot to mention on that YouTube
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hundred eighty News Talks.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
There be a couple of other texts I'll try to
get to shortly, but first up Chris.

Speaker 13 (35:55):
Good morning, Good mind, Pete.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
How are you Chris very well in yourself?

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yeah, not too bad, not too bid.

Speaker 13 (36:02):
No beautiful day and.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Paradise not foggy where you are then?

Speaker 13 (36:07):
No, no crystal clear, it's not a cloud in the
sky where there is a couple of mountain the sky
over it's going to.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
Be a beautiful day.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (36:15):
We have got a bit of a rural section and
we've purchased a six point four meter transportable cabin, just
a simple design, single pitch based in the room with
a small room offe side, no plumbing, no nothing I
added it. Now we need to get it piled. And

(36:41):
I've had one quote and the guy was saying he
needed to put in twenty five piles at up to
seven thousand dollars, and I'm thinking that sounds a little
bit overkilling, a little bit too pricey for a very
simple six point four square box cabin.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Hang on, it's six by four and he wants to
put in twenty five piles. Yes, he does realize it's piles.
It's not like a solid floor.

Speaker 14 (37:09):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, So depending on the design of the cabin, I
would imagine that it would have Well, it's possible it's
just got two rows. What's what they've allowed for is
two rows of bearers, right, so there might be a
small cantilever, and then the span of the joyst could
easily be three and a half. No, let's let's say

(37:32):
let's be conservative and go there's going to be or
you're going to require three rows of bearers. And so
you've got three rows straw from myself now, and then
you've got zero to six. So you've got a pile
in each corner. So you got one at six, you've
got one at four meters, one at two meters, so
that's four down each side. Twelve.

Speaker 8 (37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (37:55):
To give you an idea of the sign, it's sitting
on a property. Or reading, and it's sitting it's got
one two, it's got five rows of what looked like
one hundred one hundreds that run the whole six men
left underneath and they sit on the piles and at

(38:19):
the moment it's got four rows.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Of four four rows. Okay, that's oh well, even then
it's sixteen, right, so.

Speaker 13 (38:29):
It was quite overkilled.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, just the heads up, don't use hundred by hundreds
because they're not compliant, right, so that if you're going
to do timber piles, then you would need to use
one hundred and twenty five B one hundred and twenty five,
which is sent in piles or tenor piles. Your other option,
I don't know if you've looked at it, is to

(38:54):
use screw piles.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (38:57):
I've actually looked into that. I'm just waiting to head
back from the company.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah cool, but yeah, the.

Speaker 13 (39:04):
One hundred by hundreds are actually running along the underneath
of the building almost like if you.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Imagine, oh, oh okay.

Speaker 13 (39:16):
But are attached and they are those machines one hundred
one hundred posts sort.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Of someone's basically made a slid, so they've put some
timber on the ground and then just propped up off there.
But that's.

Speaker 15 (39:35):
I mean, those hundred one hundreds are attached to the floor, yes,
and they sit and they sit on top of the
four hundred MILLI piles that are at there at the moment.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Right, Okay, sounds a bit hokey, but either way, Look,
I think that you'd want to go back to the
guy who's gone twenty five piles and just go show
me what that looks like. And why do you think
I need that many? And if they look if there's
something where let's say the jo chists are undersized and

(40:08):
the span of the joysts or the span of the
bearers means that there's insufficient support and that you're adding
more piles because there's insufficient support and strength in the
joists or in the existing bearers, then maybe there's a logical,
rational explanation. But I would have thought that if the
joys were of a reasonable size, so even at a

(40:29):
four meter span, if they were a six er two
so one forty or one fifty by forty five joyst,
you would get at least a one point almost two
meter span out of those. Typically it's two point two meters,
in which case you got three rows of bearers and
if you put your piles at two meter centers, so

(40:50):
one at two, that sort of thing you'd get there.
So I think it's just a question going back to
the contract and going why twenty five. I think it
could be less and have a look at screw piles.
There's also a driven pile called wild War that might
be worth looking at. All the best of you, Chris.
We will come back about fireplaces and clating and fixing

(41:12):
your TV brackets seems to have generated a bit of
interest on the text machine, so we'll come back with
that after New Sport and we're the top there are
at seven back the.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Month, turning O's into She'll be right The Resident Builder
with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies a future of
Kiwi Building Today. Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talksb.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
for the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's me peek Off
Camp with you right through till eight o'clock or nine o'clock.
Let's go through in nine. We used to go through
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even lock. My producers slightly removed by this. Yes, when
I first started doing the show, which actually is coming

(42:09):
up quite a while ago, now, we used to go
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sports program when you can't play any sports. So it
was a call from the boss. He went, look, just
could you help us out sort of and go through

(42:30):
it all nine. I was okay, and we've never gone back,
Thank you very much. Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten
eighty is that number to call? Seven past seven. So
on the program this morning, we talked about fireplace, we
talked about bricks. We've talked about rotten window frames, we
talked about joinery that leaks, and we talked about tiny homes.
So Chris, who's buying a six by four meter cabin,

(42:53):
and the person who's looking at doing the piling has
suggested that he needs twenty five piles. I'm thinking he
probably needs possibly twelve, maybe sixteen, but I'm struggling to
get to the twenty five unless, of course, the the
structure in the way that the floor has been built
is essentially underspect and relies on those piles to support it.

(43:15):
So either way there may well be an explanation. And
if the contractor is suitably experienced and they've looked at
it and said you need twenty five, or you listen
to that it is slowly odd that it's an odd
number on it. Five by five seems like an awful
lot of piles. Either way, we can talk about all

(43:35):
of your issues, whether they are cladding, whether they are foundational,
whether they are related to contractors and repairs. We can
talk about that on the program. Speaking about cladding, Actually
there was this great text a little while ago. Morning Pete.
We're keen on purchasing a property. The exterior cladding is
a treatment called now, my apologies for the pronunciation. I

(43:57):
should know this because it's a very popular technique, but
I'm a little unfamiliar with the language show Sugi bah.
I think it is now design. What it is essentially
is you take timber and you burn the surface of it.
So either by having like a special kiln or a
special fireplace you can do it, or laboriously with a

(44:20):
gas torch and simply burn the surface of the timber.
What that does is that it basically closes off the
capillaries in the timber and effectively acts as a timber preservative.
But it's natural in the sense that it's just fire.
So that's sho sugi buh. It's been done by the
builder on demolition larch and is a vertical weatherboard. The

(44:41):
house is five years old, it's in a high wind
coastal zone. The charring does not seem to have worn
differently in different areas of the house. Have any experience
with this and what are your views considering New Zealand's climate.
Thanks from Moira Moira, it's a great question. Given that
the house is five years old, the builder or the

(45:04):
supplier of the timber must of provided evidence that the
cladding would comply with the requirements of does it be
two of the Building Code in terms of durability, so
it should have a minimum or it has to have
a minimum requirement to remain weather tight four fifteen years.

(45:26):
So I would dig down through the documentation to find
probably the record of work from the original builder or
the installer and some evidence from the cladding supplier that
their product is compliant with the Building code in terms
of durability, and if you've got that then you should

(45:47):
be reasonably confident that it will comply. I've never used it,
I've been intrigued by it. I've seen it used on
other projects, so it strikes me as a really interesting
I mean, where it comes from a Japan It's been
used there for literally hundreds of years of treating timber.
So as long as there's the New Zealand based documentation

(46:12):
for it, I think it wouldn't be a flat out
note from me or far from It could actually be
really cool. And the large the fact that it's a
vertical weatherboard, you'd want to look at how those joints
are detailed, and possibly to the builder might have taken
the approach that, in effect, the cladding is simply a

(46:34):
rain screen, so most of their weather tightness is in
their wraps underneath that. So even if there's a little
bit of moisture ingress through the cladding, it won't impact
on the building durability because of the wraps behind it.
But then again, this goes back to my early comment
about systems and processes, So if it was designed that

(46:59):
way from the get go, so I'm going to use
this type of framing, this type of rigid EA barrier,
potentially this type of rap, these types of tapes, this
type of cavity batteren and then that type of cladding.
And I'm going to be particularly diligent around my wraps
and so on, because I realized that in this situation
I might not quite get to the weather tightness that

(47:21):
I would expect of other clatting types. Or I'm going
to mitigate, minimize and manage the risk by doing this
other work. So if that's all in the drawings, then
I feel reasonably confident about it. But get a building
inspector to have a look at it. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Another
quick one just before we go someone we were talking
about TV brackets. Someone who wants to install sixty five

(47:44):
ins TV. We don't have to go on about the
size onto the wall. And it's a steel stud, so
you know, in terms of screwing into a steel stud,
it's a little different obviously to timber. Particular types of
screws work well, others don't work as well. Don't overtalk
it someone else's texture and said, look, also, don't just
rely on the holes that are in the bracket, Like

(48:06):
if you need to put in some extra fixings, just
drill through the bracket and add some more screws. And
I'm guessing too that sometimes you know where the holes
are in the bracket don't line up with the studs
in terms of if you want the TV to be
over one hundred mil. So, yeah, drilling some extra holes
in the bracket is okay. I think, oh, eight hundred
eighty eighty self tapping screws is the word there. We'll

(48:29):
talk about fireplaces and jeeinery a little bit later on,
but right now, Eve, thank you for waiting, and good morning.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oh, thank you for taking my call. Good morning, Peter.
I just had to have a very simple question. Sure,
it's a long, long driveway. Yes, yeah, poor houses, it's
the end of your long driveway and the first house
and there's another house. We are not attached, is the
cross of these titles, and now buy the driveway. There's

(48:59):
another house. So there's another house next to the driveway. Yep, okay,
then we be number eight and number B or sharing
the driveway. Only two houses sharing the driveway. And what
happened was the the fences fell down a bit like
maybe about three meters or four meters okay, not fell

(49:22):
down to the ground, but fill down the halfway, so
it's not it's not convenient to drive, you know, it
still can pass through, but still not convenient. And I
would I thought three houses should share the fence. I
don't know, I don't know exactly legally, okay, and suddenly

(49:42):
asking you because the one of the the neighbor next
to the fence, and she is not using the driver,
she's she will share, and then but the one next
to me be using the driver. She thinks it's only
the neighbor next to the fence the neighbor should pay,

(50:06):
not us, right to your opinion, So this is.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
An issue about the fact that the fence has come
down needs repair, and it's who has to pay for that,
and if it's so funny. We talked about this a
little while ago on the show, and I guess I'd
always looked at it as being whoever the affected party is right.
So if the fence is shared between yourself and the

(50:32):
neighbor on the other side of the boundary, which might
be that the person that has rights to the driveway,
it could actually be where the fence has fallen over
the property owners on both sides of that. Plus, because
it's a cross lease, the neighboring owner may have to contribute,

(50:53):
and then if someone is using the driveway to access
and other property, they will need to contribute as well.
It doesn't sound particularly clear it but that's it could
be more than just the affected parties potentially.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Okay, so tool houses using the driveway, and so the
two houses your share, right, yes? Okay, Now the one
is a neighbor, she is now using the They have
their own driveway, they don't use ours, and we don't share.

(51:34):
We don't share the tight don't share the land, so
that the share as well.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
But is the fence on the boundary between the two
properties or is the fence within the cross least title?
Like sometimes what happens is you've got the driveway and
you've got the section next to it, and the driveway
goes down so that the person at the bat can
get access and there's a fence around the cross one

(52:02):
of the units. Is it that fence that's fallen over
or is it a fence that's actually between two properties
and between two driveways.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
The driveway belonged to on me and my neighbour's property. Yes,
now we both use the driveway to use a driveway, okay, yep,
But there is a neighbor who is not using the
driveway at all, but who is sharing the fence with us.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Okay, then they will need to contribute as well. Look,
it might be one of those things. If people are
reluctant to pay, or it's difficult to sort of explain
to them why they need to pay, you may need
to go to a lawyer or get a bit of
legal advice, someone who can look at the title, look
at the cross lease, determine who the parties are and

(52:55):
then send them Because in order to get money out
of someone for repairs or replacement of offence, you have
to go to the Fencing Act and then there's a
sort of a prescribed process which includes issuing a letter
to the other party explaining why does they need to contribute,
how much they're going to have to contribute, and then

(53:17):
that becomes enforceable. But you have to issue the letter
in order to get any money or contribution from anyone else.
So the Fencing Act and the letter is really really important.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
And the neighbor who is not using the driveway or
is agreed to pay. Yes, Actually, there's no doubt when
I mentioned to her and she said, okay, she understands.
Okay now, but then when I as talk to my
neighbor who is using the driveway with me, we are
on the SAT.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
They think it's your fence to repair.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, well, she said, we shouldn't pay for that. You
think the neighbor who is not using the driver should
pay for it, right, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I think in the end it's it depends a little
bit on the nature of your cross lease agreement. They
may well need to contribute because they're part of the crossley,
so they're part of Effectively, you own their property and
they own yours, and therefore they may need to contribute
because it's a cross lease property. But again, in order
to get that tied up, I think you need to

(54:25):
get some decent legal advice and then issue a letter
under the Fencing Act and then ask for a contribution
from there. Hope it all goes well. Oh eight hundred eighty,
thank you very much for you. Call eve eight hundred
eighty ten eighty if you've got a question of a
building nature. The lines are open. The number to call
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and texts on nine two

(54:46):
nine two. Actually, just before we go the break, Sonia
has text this, Hey, just wondering about our fire. We've
just found out that the fire isn't in an eight
year old home, is a natural gas version and we've
always been on LPG. We've had trouble with it for years.
But I'm wondering if this is dangerous and should the
build company have to rectify it even after this long

(55:08):
eight years. You could try, I mean, certainly from my
understanding is that it's the basically, there's a valve or
the burner or that sort of thing that you have
to change. The fireplace itself can use either natural gas
or LPG, but it's the I don't do enough of

(55:32):
this to know exactly, but it's the burner basically that
has to be changed. And yes, you're right, they should
have known that at the time if they knew, unless
the person who installed the fire wasn't aware that it
was going to run on LPG and that was a
decision made by somebody later on and didn't talk to
the original installer. But either way, I'm sure it can

(55:53):
be rectified. I try the company see if they can
help out. But I think it's likely to be at
your expense at this stage. Coming up twenty one minutes
after seven. If you've got a question of a building
nature gives, call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is
that number to.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Call helping you finish that five minute fix you started
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The future of Kiwi building today, Call Oh eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (56:23):
Tiny homes continue to surge in popularity across New Zealand
as more people look for smarter, more efficient ways to live.
One company at the forefront of that movement is tiny
Home HQ, known for their modular, high quality builds. They've
recently been incorporating some you can try boardlining into their
houses and they're joining us now to talk about why

(56:45):
that is so. Matt from Tiny Home HQ A very
good morning.

Speaker 9 (56:50):
Yeah, thanks, Peter Birgod morning to you two.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Hey. Now, for people that haven't heard of tiny home HQ,
tell us about the concept and what it is that
you're building.

Speaker 9 (56:58):
Yeah, that's a good question, Peter. So if tiny ha
mach Q, our vision is for everybody in useum to
hit a warm, dry and state home. And what's a
big part of working toward that vision. It's churning materials
that look good for people in the home, good for
our buildings to work with, and are easy and strong.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Now you've recently started using tryboard lining on the interior
of the build So what's attracted you to the tryboard?

Speaker 9 (57:23):
That's a good question and we get asked this a
lot by our customers. Sure, so we like to use
natural products. So you know, the typical and traditional wood
and timber framing that carries is known in after years
and tryboard is a modern wood based wall lining. It's
very strong and when it's painted, it's very smart. It's
got a hard wearing finish and that makes it idea

(57:44):
of almost every room in the house.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Now, from a builder's perspective, the advantages of tryboard for
these tiny home systems that you've introduced.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
It's good.

Speaker 9 (57:53):
Yeah. So, as mentioned, the tribe is strong, and it's
fast and it's easy to work with. So for us
in the industry, we had to be able to build
and deliver an entire three bedroom house within ten weeks,
so it's pretty critical for our teams they can do
their work without worrying about evenly damaged material, and that
they can cut into any interior wall to any shape

(58:15):
using just standard tools. And for our customers as well,
you know, they can pick up Tribald from any major
hardware shop and any local builder will be able to
sort of dosepectives or modifications that they need.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
So obviously durability structural performance really important when you're working
in these compact, multifunctional spaces. How does that work for you?

Speaker 9 (58:38):
Yeah, it's critical because you know, we can build a
very large they say six meters by six stem meters
tiny home that's about thirteen or fourteen tons, So as
it's transported around the country and sitting strapped to the
truck and the truck is trying to twist and tear
it and bend it because of the roads and the
conditions that the house has sort of used to get

(59:00):
to where it's going. Narrow roads, twisting, tight canvas. So
what we find, and this is one of the we
love triborders, that by the time the house wives there's
almost no damage at all. And that is that we
don't have to send our painters down to in Chicago
to paint something because the Tribord has held up and
maintained its rigidity and it's look and feel as it's

(59:21):
traveled through the country.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
So the fact you're transporting these that's one of the
big design challenges and I guess that's where the Triboard
pays for itself.

Speaker 9 (59:30):
Yeah, exactly, it's a no brainer.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Hey. Now, finally, if someone's considering a tiny home for
the first time, because there's a lot to choose from,
what's a piece of advice that you give them before
they get started.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
You know, that's a very good question because there is
a lot of interest and we're seeing a huge uptick
and the people contacting us, particularly after the granny flat
legislation earlier this year. So our recommendation is to do
your research, try not to make a hasty decision. On
our website in particularly, we've got some great resources that

(01:00:02):
are useful for anybody who's going to buy from anybody
right general museful information so you can interrogate a builder,
you can check on the quality, and you can ask questions.
That's going to make sure that your investment is a
good one and it's going to last few.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
For years now, you've talked about the website and the
website is TINYHOMEHQ dot co dot nz. You can find
out more about the team from tiny home HQ. Daniel,
thank you very much for your time this morning. You're welcome,
Thanks Pete, and to learn more about tryboard, go to
JANL dot co dot nz, News Talk zb you and

(01:00:39):
news TALKSB. If you've got a question of a building nature, well,
the lines are open for you right now. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call twenty eight
minutes after seven eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
ninety two on the text And if you'd like to
email me, you're more than welcome to do that as well.
It's Pete at newstalk SB dot co dot nz. Every

(01:01:00):
now and then people try and text through photographs. Doesn't work.
I know it works on your phone and and all
the rest of it doesn't work for our system because
as it happens, the texts come onto a screen and
I don't know why it doesn't work. So if you
need to see me a photograph, you need to attach
it to an email and send it to me at
Pete atnewstuxib dot co dot nz. Because for some things

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that's kind of helpful and even trying to work our
way through Janine Jenny's issue in terms of finding a
leak in the French doors, like one person's text through
and said, hey, look, we had a persistent leak in
some joinery turned out to be the glass seal or
the rubber seal around the glass. That might be true,
for example, in aluminium jowinery. In timber joinery, it's possible

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to get leaking through the glazing, but it's pretty uncommon,
to be fair, and if you do, you'll see it
just as beating on the inside of the sash at
the bottom. But in terms of a leak that'll get
through the framing and be seen on the inside cladding
on the rather on the inside lining like the plaster
board and so on, it's probably not coming through the

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glazing as such in that instant, so but appreciate the
texts on that, and a couple of other good questioning
texts that have come through as well. I'm not sure
I can ask rud about this, but this sounds might
feel like a question more for him. Our neighbors who
feed the birds bread and other scraps the birds are
leaving Pooh all over the dechromastic tiles and a certain

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spot I guess they gather their waiting for their dinner.
What can I clean that mess off with?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
It's a very good question. I'm thinking any household cleaner
would probably take care of it. It's just the hassle
of having to get close to or onto the roof
in order to remove it would be the issue. And
on deck romastico, I guess because it's not a smooth surface,
there's lots of little nooks and crannies and crevices for

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that to it here too. But I regular exterior cleaner,
housewash that sort of thing will certainly take care of that.
But I can also understand your frustration there, Pet, just
because the person doesn't share the driveway, but they do
share the fence, they'll have to pay a portion of
the repair. I know someone else who experience exactly that scenario,

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and it's from Rosy, so that I think that's that
whole thing. Where cross leases, the rules and regulations are
slightly different too if you had a fee simple title
which is your own. So I think getting some proper
legal advice is probably not a bad thing to do
in this particular instance. A couple of other texts that

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have come through. Yeah, there you go. The lady is
talking about the falling fence on the shared driveway. We've
had the same issue our too. Units are on a
cross lease and the rotten fence and missing timber is
between our shared driveway and the neighbor on the other side.
They and us know that we will all have to
pay to fix it. Brilliant. Thank you very much for that.

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I appreciate the heads up your news talks. He'd be
will talk to Tom in just a moment. It is seven
p thirty two. We'll take a break talk to Tom
in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Where DIY gets unstuck. Call eight eight the Resident Builder
with Peter WILFCAM and Independent Building Supplies the future of
ki We Building Today News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
The b lines are open. The number to call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty seven thirty five Tom, Good morning, Good.

Speaker 8 (01:04:37):
Morning, Peter.

Speaker 16 (01:04:39):
Hi, I've got a question about guests and houses.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yeah, sure, was.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Looked at it.

Speaker 16 (01:04:45):
I was looking at the house. Yes to possibly buy, yep.
And it's got gas hot water, yes, just for the
just for the shower. Its basically in the kitchen, I
guess and I was wondering. I heard that the government
was trying to phase out gas. So in your opinion,
I mean think we will always have guests for available.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I think when you say always, I would go that's
a long long time, and I wouldn't actually be that
confident in it.

Speaker 16 (01:05:25):
Well, I will say, perhaps of my lifetime. In the
next so the lifetime I would have the house, so
in another twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
So you can tell by the sort of hesitation of
my voice. This is a really really fascinating issue at
the moment in terms on a number of different levels.
One in terms of renewables and energy efficient sources for

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heating and so on and so forth. So and I'm
talking about someone. I'm speaking of someone who's got guess
hot water, right. It was a system that we initially
put in probably twenty five years ago when we were
renovating the house. I like it in the sense that
you've got in our case, we've got a califont on
the outside of the building. It gives you continuous hot water,

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and if you happen to like a long shower and
that sort of thing, that's great. It means that for
older electric systems where you were heating and storing water
that you might not necessarily be using. There's an inefficiency
to that, right. You know, if I'm not using the water,
if I'm out for the day or I'm out for

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a weekend or whatever, and my hot water cylinder is
constantly reheating because it's cooling down and it's on, there's
an efficiency to that. So at the time that I
guess we made a decision to put gas on and
to put on a califont, it made a lot of sense.
Would I make the same choice today, No, I probably wouldn't,

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only because I still like it and it's still very
effective for us. But if I look at what options
there are in terms of heat pump, hot water and
so on, so really high, highly efficient systems to generate water.
If I look at modern water storage, you know they're
much more insulated, they don't have the same heat loss issues.

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And of course I could then potentially power that from
renewables in terms of electricity, or I could link that
to solar, and that's a much more environmentally friendly, sustainable option, right,
And look, we do obviously have issues in terms of
gas supply. I was talking with. This is kind of

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tangential to what we're talking about, but a guy who's
involved in manufacturing product out of aluminium. Now the off
cut the manufacturer used to take the offcuts and they
would fire up their own smelter basically on site in
order to use the to use the offcuts, to recycle

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it and to make more extrusion. But because of gas
supply issues, they can't do that at the moment. It's
too costly, too difficult for them to do that, which
means that that scrap material is being sold offshore for recycling.
So you know, there's there's been a whole lot of

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stories about large companies not being able to use gas
because there is insufficient supply. And then the argument goes, well,
hang on, arguably it is more important that large companies
get to use the gas, and you and I as
residential consumers who have other options, should look at getting
off gas.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Sorry, it's a slightly long winded response to your question,
but you know, this is a really this is a
genuine issue on a number of different levels for us
at the moment.

Speaker 16 (01:09:06):
And do you when you're on Guess free lines on
gas and electricity.

Speaker 15 (01:09:10):
Yes, she said that you have to pay two connection fees.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
One rerection fee that one conuction for the gas.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Yeah, so if you're on main supply gas, there will
be a connection fee. And I know some people recently
who opted to remove their gas supply because they were
basically paying more on their line charge than they were
on actually the product that they were using the ie
the gas.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
Right, and how much would it cost to.

Speaker 12 (01:09:42):
Do guess and charge it to electric system?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
You think, well, see, if you were going to go electric,
you'd want to go the best possible system, right, and
that's going to be a heat pump hot water system,
which effectively makes it about three hundred percent efficient, right,
so you it requires you get three hundred percent more

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energy out of the use of it. There's a whole
lot of technical stuff around that, and I'm probably not
explaining it particularly well, but it is. But those systems
are then considerably more expensive than a regular outdoor electric
hot water system. So you might do a swapover, let's say,
from gas to electric. If everything's in this in the
same location for sort of three to four thousand, you

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might be spending close to ten thousand dollars if you
wanted to put a heat pump hot water in possibly
a bit less but you know it would be significant,
but it would. And then I guess too, you'd look
at what you're using the gas. So for example, in
this house that you're looking at, is the gas there
just purely for water? Or is the gas also for

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the hobbs for example? Do they maybe have radiators? It's
just for hot water? Okay? And look if there's a
suitable location, like ideally where the existing gas unit is,
if it's not in a really obvious place, and if
the pathways wide enough that you could put an exterior
hot water system there, then it's a relatively straight swapover.

Speaker 8 (01:11:14):
Okay. Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Sorry that it's a much bigger topic than what you
might have expected, but it's a really fascinating debate at
the moment for the country to be having around. You know,
what's the future for domestic gas supply? And you know,
are we going to see a time in the future
when I know there's no new connections, but how long

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will there be regular and affordable gas connections to most
of our houses.

Speaker 16 (01:11:42):
It's a really good to change over from guests to
the alternative.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Yeah, but that's me as a chippy, right, so I'm
not going to upset my plumber mates and gas for
the mates and so on. I'd get advice from and
there will be people who now are specializing and doing
this right. So yeah, actually, I tell you what. Here
we go. Look, I've got lots of mates that do

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gas fitting, right. So here's a quick text before we
go the plumber's board. Notice, we expect gas used to
continue for at least twenty years. Investment in the gas
networks will need to continue to provide safe and a
reliable network over this horizon. That's from the Commissioner. Obviously,
your clients need to make their own judgments about the
energy choices, but the comcoms impartial assessment should be helpful

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when advising for the future of gas. So there you go.
Thanks very much for that chorn. That's awesome. There you go.
That's some more opinion as well. I know, not a
straightforward answer, but there you go. That's that's something to
chew on all the best. Yeah, thanks very much. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eight. We're going to actually we're
going to take a break. Then we're going to have
a quick chat with Mike Olds from Razine Construction. They

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are going to be celebrating forty years in business and Mike, well,
he doesn't look at day over twenty, has been there
from the start. So we'll chat with Mike in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the Resident Building with peterwolf Camp and Independent Building Supplies
the Future of Kiwi Building Today, News Talks be You and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
News Talks he'd be and Pete wolf Camp with you
this morning and joining us Mike Olds from Razine Construction,
which I guess back in the day forty odd years
ago when the family started the business it was rock code.

Speaker 8 (01:13:26):
I guess, yeah, very much. So yep, that was in
the mid eighties. So we've tipped over our fortieth anniversary
and it's a bit of a yeah, a bit of
a milestone to be fair. And from a local christ
Church family clastering business, yes, to national supplier of materials

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to the largest contract network in the country. So yeah,
it's quite interesting just doing a little bit of sort
of background on the business in terms of what some
of those tipping points were in terms of you know,
getting from a local family business to a national company
and it's interesting. I was looking back and I was

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trying to find an article that sprung to mind that
got phone calls going in terms of plasters around the
country contacting us, and there was one there was one
article that was we made the cover of a trends
magazine back in the day and it was for a
beautiful project down in Duneda. And ever since then that
was really one of the catalyst points where it got

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people knowing about us. I mean back then, I meane
ages ago, there wasn't social media and that wasn't it
wasn't the accessibility to get people aware via Instagram or
Facebook or anything like that. So these were still back
in the days when there was faxes peaked and not
the many people remember those. But from those days we've

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seen gfc's we've had sheer market crashes we've had and
the big one for us is probably in two thousand
and five with the change the building code. So we've
seen so and experienced so much has strengthened us over
the years to be where we are, and ultimately, in
sort of two thousand and three, Razine Groups saw the

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opportunity with the business and acquired the company and since
then we've just expanded and lifted and built and moved
into slightly different areas and construction, not just plastering but
into the lightweight concrete systems and a variety of other solutions.
But key to everything that the business does is around

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that professionalism of the trade and the craft of the trade.
And we're still hugely we're still huge proponents of the
trade and the craft of plastering. And this year we
have our conference which you'll be em seeing for at
the beginning of May, and to celebrate, to celebrate that
we have over well had nine on two hundred guests

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to our awards awards dinner at the Amazing Year One
Stadium in christ Church, So it's going to be a
pretty substantial event. And on a very special occasion, we're
at the ce from rock Cod in Australia or over.
We have the original owner of rock Cod and Australia,
Bob Cameron, still owns the company and his team and

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Roger Olds is going to be there, who started the
rock Code here in New Zealand. So yeah, so a
little bit nostalgic, but looking at what we what we
did from our little single story boxes and direct fixed
plannings through to some of the some of the most
outrageous and beautiful designs and plastering in the country will

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be on show. So it's going to be a very
cool celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
And certainly worthy of celebrations. So hopefully just talking about
social media, we might see a bit of that celebration
on socials, but definitely will looking forward to joining you
and all of the team in christ Church actually at
Takaha the new stadium, So that's going to be pretty
exciting as well. And I think you know worthy to
take a moment in an environment where you know, businesses tough, right,

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and so I think in New Zealand we we should
celebrate recognize those companies that have been through more than
one downturn and stuck around and continued to grow and
continue to develop. So my congratulations to you and to
all the team and look.

Speaker 8 (01:17:23):
Forward to absolutely fat and really opportunity. I mean to
talk about supporting New Zealand. Yeah, supporting New Zealand made
businesses absolutely so that we so we don't get for
these businesses and companies don't close down, support local and
it's such a key thing, you know, for for our
society to move forward one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Again, congratulations, looking forward to joining you for the celebrations
and thanks very much for your time this morning. Might
take care, Thanks all the best, and to find out
more go to Razineconstruction dot co dot n Z, so
have a look online. There's the technical stuff, but there's
also kind of the inspirational as well, in terms of
those amazing buildings that Mike was talking about and some

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of whom I've been fortunate enough to see as well.
Seven fifty two at news Talk. Z'd be Michelle. Greetings
to you, Yes, good morning.

Speaker 17 (01:18:14):
Just a quick bit of advice please, I have some
ceramic numbers that I want to attach to a concrete house.
What's the best and fastest setting product to use?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I would suggest Soudal Fix All right, yeah, so s
o U d A L fix All it's you sorry,
So s o U d a L is the brand
fixed a fix all Yep. It comes in a couple
of different colors, so choose a color that's close to
the surface that you're adhering to. But I've I've used

(01:18:49):
it for you know, sort of concrete to concrete bonding
and for small repairs, and it's worked really well.

Speaker 17 (01:18:56):
Very good, lovely, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
All the best, Take care, uh Tony great hang on
hand hang on hand on hand Yep, we've got you, Tony.
Good morning, Good morning, Peter.

Speaker 14 (01:19:10):
Hey there, I'm just got to inquiry about I turned
my whole water cylinder off basically six days a week,
if you want to look at it that way. I
only turn it on three and a half hours twice
a week to eat my water up. Is it detrimental
to the cylinder for the future or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I don't know that it would be. I'm happy to
take a text from a plumber who might want to
offer up an opinion on that. It would also be
really interesting to know whether, in terms of energy usage,
let's say, over a week long period, if you do
what you're doing, and I'm guessing that the theory behind
it is, well, if I don't need the hot water,

(01:19:58):
why should I pay to heat it? If I'm not
using it? Therefore, I'll turn it off right totally. So
what will be happening inside the cylinder is let's say
the cylinder it'll be at fifty five degrees or something
like that, possibly a fraction higher. Then it will cool
down to I don't know what temperature. What's water when

(01:20:18):
it's out of the tap. Maybe I don't know, eighteen
nineteen degrees something like that, and then.

Speaker 18 (01:20:25):
How much sorry, I mean, when I turn it back on.

Speaker 14 (01:20:30):
I mean it's probably very lukewarmth when I turn it
on for three and three days easy, Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I'm sure I reckon. If you went to the ECA website,
I wonder whether there would so. ECA is the Energy
Efficiency Conservation Authority of New Zealand. They do a lot
of research on this particular film. We've had some of
their experts on the show. It'd be really interesting to
know whether there is an actual saving by turning it off,

(01:21:01):
or whether, in fact the energy that's required to bring
it back up to the temperature that you want uses
more energy than what it might have used to just
keep heating it modestly over a period of time. I
don't know the answer, but I'm sure someone's tested it,
and I'm sure there'll be some evidence for it out there.

Speaker 18 (01:21:18):
So I can't see, and I don't have the internet,
so I was hoping maybe somebody can lead, you know,
and maybe you could put it over there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
I tell you what, I keep making these promises, and
then I realized during the week that I may or
may not have time to do it. I might send
an email to the guy that I know at Eca
and go, hey, what's the evidence on this? Because I
remember we had a similar discussion around should you for example,
if you're heating your lounge with a heat pump, should

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you set it at a certain temperature so that the
air stays that temperature all the time, or should you
just turn it off, let the room get cold, and
turn it back on again. And here's a cliffhanger. I'll
give you the answer to that after the eight o'clock news.
You always take care. Yeah, there you go. That'll keep

(01:22:11):
you listening for the not that you were going away anyway,
but we'll listen to a bit of music. We'll have
the news at eight o'clock. Remember red Climb passed from
eight point thirty Your News Talks B.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Vexing what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi Building today. Call eight News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
B right, welcome back to the show. And eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And I
almost forgot the cliffhang apart. I was just going to
launch into everything else and I realized in our conversation
with Tony just prior to the news some time ago,
and it's probably worth another visit. Actually, we had one
of the researchers from ECA join us on the show

(01:23:12):
because there there's always been that discussion around, you know,
as like we're approaching winter again. We're well into autumn
now and you can certainly feel it's getting a bit
colder and so on. And in terms of heating your
let's say just the living room, right, maybe your whole house,
But in terms of heating the house, do you take

(01:23:33):
the approach that it's better to keep the house at
comfortable temperature somewhere around twenty degrees by leaving heating that
comes on and comes off and always maintains that temperature.
Or do you let the temperature and the house just
go to whatever the ambient temperature is going to be
and it might be as little as twelve thirteen degrees

(01:23:55):
if the house is unoccupied and unheated during the day,
and then when you come back, let's say you go
out for the day, you come back and then you
turn the heating on, you bring the temperature up. Or
is it better, is it more energy efficient? Does it
use less energy to just maintain that temperature rather than
letting it get cold. And the question was very much
around the use of heat pumps, and so, to be fair,

(01:24:17):
I had always had the impression that surely it would
be more efficient just to set the heat pump for
twenty degrees leave it on, so that when you came
home it was at the desired temperature and you didn't
have to then add energy, add power to create more heat.
It turns out with heat pumps that's not the case.
So there you go. So the guidance seems to be

(01:24:41):
if you go out during the day, you come home
at night, that's when you turn the heat pump on.
You just set it for the desired temperature. So setting
the heat pump for a higher temperature in order to
heat the room quicker apparently doesn't work either. So you
just go if you want it to be twenty degrees,
just hit twenty degrees on the remote control and let

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the heat pump do the work. And that because it's
a space heater. So it's because of the way in
which a heat pump heats a room or a space
that's the most efficient and effective use of a heat pump.
Now that might not be true. For example, if you've
got an electric wall heater, or if you've got radiators
or something like that, it might be actually more effective

(01:25:24):
in that case to keep the space at a comfortable
temperature by using it. So anyway, but I think I
have already written myself a note that will we will
talk about that at some stage now, I think, Judy, sorry,
I realized that I took a little while to get
to you. If you want to give us a call back,
well it we'll take your call right now.

Speaker 9 (01:25:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Just a bit of an update as well. Who would
normally join us at around eight point thirty is just
going to slightly take a break and he's going to
join us at about quarter to nine, just have a
bit of a chat. I'm sure he won't mind me
saying he had surgery on his knee. He talks about
that a bit. I think today he's just, let's be

(01:26:09):
really honest, not quite up to having a big long chat.
But he is going to join us for a little
bit wen talk about possum trapping and a few other
bits and pieces. So a slightly extended building program this morning,
and will join us. But we won't be taking calls.
At this stage, it's just gone ten minutes after eight.
I've got a whole bunch of texts around again. What

(01:26:32):
we were talking about with Tony prior to the break.
He's saying, what I do is I turn my hot
water cylinder off because I don't need the hot water,
and then I just turn it back on again a
couple of days later when I need it. A number
of people and thank you for your texts, have pointed
out that if you do that, there is a chance

(01:26:52):
of getting sick from legionella. So the reason that we
keep our hot water cylinders at a certain temperature, so
typically in the cylinder about sixty degrees at the tap.
It should only be fifty five degrees where it comes out.
The reason for that is to prevent the emergence, the generation,

(01:27:16):
the growth of Legionella in the hot water cylinders. So
actually turning it off allowing it to go cool, would
increase the risk of that. Hence leaving your hot water
cylinders all on all of the time, and just very
quickly before we talk to k a pete eye change
from gas to a highly effective outdoor gas system now

(01:27:38):
water only for two and a half thousand dollars, not
wanting to recommend supplies. However, the new one, well that, yeah,
so a highly efficient outdoor gas system, but still gas
at two and a half thousand, so I just wonder
what it would cost. Then then you've got the line
charge as well, what it would cost to have not

(01:27:59):
gone to gas. And I'm not anti gas, right, I've
got it at home and there's parts of it that
I really really like. Would I do it again in
the future, I'd have to question that. But there are
some energy efficient systems out there, so we can have
a look at those as well. Oh eight hundred and

(01:28:20):
eighty ten eighty lots and lots of text thank you
for that. I'm just looking at the ones about the
legion now that I think that's really important. This one
as well from Bruce hey Pete. Last week I got
quoted two thousand, six hundred and eighty four dollars plus
GST to disconnect the gas. Be interested in a bit

(01:28:45):
more information on that one, Bruce. Was that simply to
have it disconnected or was that to disconnect and then
to provide alternative solutions? So, for example, if you had
gas hobbs, for example, would that include taking out your
gas hob and replacing it within and electroc ob for example.

(01:29:08):
Or is it just about disconnecting the gas because that
seems quite a bit to be fair, just to disconnect
and just unbolt the meter and cap it off. Oh
the number to call, kay A very very good morning
to you. How are you this morning?

Speaker 19 (01:29:27):
Good morning, Peter, I'm very good, thank you, good good morning.
I had a wooden cabin built last year and it
had been painted. I got professional painters and to do
that over summer with the heat, I noticed some of
the panels had started to shrink slightly. I queried this

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with my builder and he said, just paint where they'd shrunk.
And he said, only look at putting silicon in there
if it's not watertight.

Speaker 12 (01:30:01):
So I had.

Speaker 19 (01:30:02):
Painted where they had shrunk slightly and exposed.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
Some of the raw timber.

Speaker 19 (01:30:06):
Yes, that seemed to be fine. But I noticed after
the last week's headed downpour where the knots had started
to crack, water has started to come and into the
building be caught through these wooden knots and the cracks.
So I'm just wondering how would I treat them to

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make them water tight?

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I suppose a question in the back of my mind,
and I'm almost reluctant to ask, is if after such
a short period of time, you're already having issues with
the cladding, I either knots and the cladding. I just
wonder whether the cladding is not up to the standard

(01:30:55):
required in the building code. I don't know, but like
typically if you're looking at pladding in solid timber, there
may well be knots, but they'd be what's considered a
tight knot. And in fact, in some ways you really
shouldn't have not an exterior cladding at all, so it
should be clear boards, you know, maybe in really old pladdings.

(01:31:18):
But I'm just trying to think if I've seen a
cladding in the last couple of years that I might
have installed that actually had knots in it, or if
it did have knots in it, would I cut it
out so that I don't have the potential for them
opening up in the future. Okay, so there's a bit
of a question mark in my mind about that, but
it is what you've got, so let's solve the problem.

(01:31:41):
I would probably remove the paint off the surface so
that it's bare timber, and then i'd use actually something
like repair Care, which is a combination of an adhesive
and a filler, so it's a two pot system. You
can get it at razine color shops. You mix it

(01:32:02):
to it's called repair Care. That's the name of this. Yeah,
so two tubes. They may ask you technically you should
buy the dispenser gun as well, but to be fair
for a small repair, you possibly just get the product
out using another method, which is just a stick orus.
It sounds dodgy, but if you're only going to use

(01:32:23):
it once, then I'm not sure that buying the dispenser
is worth it, right, So use it. Mix it up
exactly as per the instructions. You can fill the gaps
around that knot, flush it off, wait for it to dry,
sand it, and then paint over the top of it.
That will give you a really good repair to those.

Speaker 19 (01:32:44):
Knots, okay, and then just prime it and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Then prime it and then paint it again. Yeah. And
I mean even it's interesting. I was watching a building
being clad the other day and they're using vertical cladding.
They're not I don't know that it's timber. It might
be a five or cement board. But interestingly enough, they
got their painters to paint that part of the board

(01:33:08):
that gets overlapped before it went up, so that if
there's any movement, and there always is with cladding, as
it moves, you're not exposing the primed surface of the board. Right.
So let's say you're painting something a relatively dark color,
you know that there'll always be a bit of movement
in the cladding. By just taking the time to prime

(01:33:28):
or to paint that part of the board that's going
to be overlapped in the event that it moves slightly,
you're not exposing the primer. And I thought that was
that's a sign of someone who understands the product that
they were in, a bit of forward thinking, a bit
of planning, and then you go, okay, well when it
does move, I'm not seeing all of those gaps. That's
really smart, right, Yes, So I would have a slight

(01:33:54):
caution around the type of cladding that they might have
used in this little cabin. But there is a way
to fix it. But you'll probably use a bit of
repair care over the years to sort out those knots. Okay,
all right, for you, having my pleasure nice chatting with you.
Take care, k all the best, Oh eight hundred eighty

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We've gone into talking about like you're saving energy as

(01:35:47):
we come into winter. That's not an unreasonable thing to
think of. And following on from Tony's comments about his process,
which is he turns the hot water cylinder off for
a couple of days when he doesn't really need the
hot water, which is kind of interesting in itself, and
then turns it back on again. Are there some issues
with that, Stuart? You've got a comment.

Speaker 7 (01:36:08):
Yeah, Hi, The hot water cylinder temperatures must remain above
sixty five right degrees, that's the minimum as set by
the codes. Your hot water taps can come down to
fifty degrees. Now, kitchens and kitchens and laundries can be

(01:36:30):
directly off the hot water cylinder at their temperatures right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
And I know that, Like, if you're doing a final
inspections the building inspectors. Typically the council inspectors will come
through with a little thermometer and actually test the temperature
at the taps, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I'm a building inspector with a council and yeah,
that's mandatory, right, I've been with a couple of councils
now and yep. Mandatory to check the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Taps as part of that final inspection process. Yeah. Yes,
And so sixty five degrees inside the or the cylinder
stays at sixty five degrees as a way of present
preventing the onset of legionella or the potential growth of
legionella inside the cylinder.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
Correct, that's the minimum temperature.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
So if you were to do what our previous caller
Tony does and turn the cylinder off, let it go
down to I don't know, it might be twenty degrees
or something like that. Right, if it got really cool,
that would potentially allow the growth of legionella. But then
when you ramp it up to sixty five, would that
then kill it? Or would you there's always the potential

(01:37:42):
that it's a little bit of it's going to stay,
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:45):
Yeah? I would I would I just leave well I've
got gas now, but yeah, instant gas. But we always
used to just leave ours on. Yeah it's if you're
going away. Yeah you're using unnecessary power, but that potential
risk we were happy to pay for that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Yeah, yes, yes, I think that's the simplest answer, isn't it.
You know, why would you take that risk? Because it
is that's a terrible disease by all accounts and can
make you incredibly sick. Hey, Stuart, I appreciate you sticking
around and thanks very much for that. Really appreciate it
all the best, Take care then bye way NEWSOKS be

(01:38:28):
open line on all things building and construction. Will carry
on the building chat through at all about eight forty
five this morning, and just have a slightly shorter chat
with a root today. So if you've got a question
of building nature, happy to take your calls on that
right now. On the whole conversion thing in terms of

(01:38:48):
maybe having an exterior gas califont or a heating system,
the question was how long do you think gas is
going to be around? And you know, if I bord
a house that's got it, will it be around in
a fuse time? Well, the official advice from like gas
Board and so on is that they expect it to

(01:39:10):
be uninterrupted for up to twenty years, which case most
of us sell our houses after five years. Roughly, it's
probably not going to be a problem, but that's not
saying that there isn't some challenges on the horizon for that.
The Texter came through with this six thousand dollars in
November to convert a heat pump in savings of four

(01:39:34):
to five hundred kilowatt hours per month. Even though the
power rates have increased, our power bills are still one
hundred or our energy bills basically one hundred and thirty
to one hundred and seventy dollars per month cheaper. But
the real bonus is lots more hot water. We never
run out even with teenagers, so the usage of course
is slightly higher than it might be in a household

(01:39:56):
without those particular creatures in the house. Thanks very much
for that, Darren, and I saw the whole thing around,
you know, having to this ling thing. Right, so do
we go LNG storage? What's that going to cost us?
In terms of several billions dollars? This is the proposal.

(01:40:18):
I think a couple of sort of. The energy efficiency
groups have said, well, look as the government simply provided
a subsidy to allow everyone to go to hot water
heat pumps, we would save more energy and it would
cost list. It's as simple as that. Oh, one hundred
eighty the number to call Peter. Great things to you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
Yeah's good morning, Pete, good morning, and Pete. Indeed, I've
got a problem with the house I own. It's a
concrete floored house, and the copper pipes that run under
it are leaking. Now to what it's not a big league,
but previously in the heat covered itself for the hot
water smer to cover itself. We've had to jackhammer the

(01:40:59):
floor to repair some of the broken quite well the
corroded pipes there. But at the moment, I've had the pain.
But anyway, at the moment, the how it's leaking underneath
the house somewhere, but we don't know where, and the
specialists have been in well the ones I've got, and
they can't find it. So I was going to raise
the question because I think it looks like a repipe

(01:41:19):
is on. You know, the pipes are over well over
forty years old, but it doesn't have a pressure valve
a reducing valve in the system. So at the moment
it's about seventy eighty percent higher than it should be.
I think I forget what the reading was, but it
should be maximum of fifty or five hundred, but it's

(01:41:40):
up to about seven eighty. Oh craky, Yes, So anyway,
but the question is, sorry, if i'll just fas a question.

Speaker 9 (01:41:49):
The question.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
One question is do I need to repipe or would
a reducing valve make any difference possibly to that leak.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Certainly I would take the I would go for putting
on a pressure limiting or reducing valve, because that seems
like a really straightforward first step, doesn't it that potentially
the copper in the slab is okay under normal conditions,
but if you increase the pressure, and that's what's causing

(01:42:23):
the leaks, so dial back the pressure and then you'll
have potentially less opportunity for leaks to be created. So
I would do that, And I think, you know, for
a lot of us that are in let's say older
houses or older as in thirty forty years ago, I
think undoubtedly what is happening is that as the infrastructure

(01:42:44):
for the water supply out on the street gets better,
pressure is increasing, and if it's unregulated into our houses,
it's an unexpected impact on our houses. Right, So systems
were designed and it was assumed that the water pressure
would always be at this range. If the water pressure
in the street is now higher, which it is in

(01:43:06):
some cases, and we haven't taken control of that coming
into our own houses, it's not surprising that some of
our systems are failing because of the excess of pressure.
So having a pressure reducing valve installed, I think would
be a really good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Yeah, okay, yeah, taking that into account, it started about well,
the leak was first noticed about four or four months ago.
Roughly it's running at about the same level.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Yeah, And I guess the other thing. I'm just thinking,
in the worst case, let's say you put the valve on,
because you'll need one regardless, right, so I would have
that done. And then let's say you discover another leak.
I suppose the question is how do I reroute my
water supply throughout the house and diverted away so new
and let can you You'd have to cut through some walls,

(01:43:56):
open up some walls, bring it up. Is there a
mid is there a is it single story with a
trust roof.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Just thanks with the trust root.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Okay, so potentially you could get to most of your
fittings via the roof. But you know, if you think
about finding that supply that comes out of the floor
to your bathroom and then having to take that diverting
it so that you could take the supply to the
mixer from the ceiling space, it's not an inconsiderable amount

(01:44:27):
of work, is it. No.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Well, I've had a couple of quite well, I've had
three quotes, and they'll come around it, you know, to
come and into the house, end up into the sheiling
or the roof gap and then dropping down through the walls.
About fifteen th sixteen thousand plus.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Yeah, it would be, because it's it's you know, you
just have to do so much sort of demolition in
order to get to all of the places that you
need to get to for the pipework. Good luck with it.
But I think a pressure reducing valve would be a
really good first step. Yeah, all right, thank you, Peter,
my pleasure, nice to chat with you. Take care, really

(01:45:05):
good tech with regard. Hey, Pete, read the whole thing
around the hot water cylinders. We've got a wee batch
which could be unused for several months at a time,
So we turn off the exterior to year old hot
water cylinder when not in use. Should we leave it
on permanently with respect to this lead, Janella, that's a
very good question, and I'll try and get a proper answer.

(01:45:27):
I guess I suppose the straightforwards. I can understand why
you would, given that you're not there for such a
long period of time. And then can you minimize the
risk of it developing by when you get there and
you turn the cylinder on, that you allow it to
get to maximum operating temperature without drawing any water off?

(01:45:51):
Or do you then draw enough water off that you've
removed all of the water in the tank and that
it's fresh water in the tank and so on. But
that's probably a question for a scientist rather than me.
But I'll do a bit of research on that one
mighty Easter Sunday. We might not be able to get
an expert to speak to it on Easter Sunday, but
I will put it down as a to do on

(01:46:13):
my already recentably long list of to dos. We'll take
a short break now today. As I mentioned Rud's going
to join us just for a wee bit of time
at the end of the show. We'll explain that in
a minute, so we'll take your questions through to around
eight forty five. Joe, we'll be with.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
You in just a moment, helping you finish that five
minute fix you started. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp
and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi building Today.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Call oh eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
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