Full Show Podcast: 31 May 2026

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Speaker 5 (02:00):
Well, very very good morning, and welcome along to the
Ristling Builder on Sunday. You with me, Peter wolf and
the Resident Builder. And this is an opportunity to talk
all things building and construction, and it's a pretty broad
topic to be fair. Yesterday I was doing some presentations.
In fact, I'll be heading back there shortly to the
Auckland Home and Garden Show on at Eden Park, and

(02:23):
I've put together a bit of a presentation around changes
to I spoke the legislation that governs building, and it's
kind of a run through of the last couple of
years topics that we've covered on the show, in part
around changes to the licensing system, changes to joint and
several liability, the introduction to granny flats, and in fact,

(02:47):
while I was doing the research for this the other day,
I found an incredibly helpful guide online if you are
considering doing a granny flat or the simple standalone dwellings
and you're wondering, you know, what are the steps involved?
And I found it on one of the MBI websites.

(03:08):
So I must try and I'll see if I can
get a link up or something like that on a
Facebook page or do a blog about it. Actually, because
for the first time, not maybe not the first time,
but just in a very clear, concise flow chart type manner,
it shows you through the steps anyway, so that's included
in the presentation and then some comments around some stuff

(03:31):
that we were talking about last week on the show
in terms of the guarantees and the warranties that are
implied and need and information that needs to be given
around new builds and renovations, and a little bit of
a chat yesterday with a few people around what it's
going to look like when builders and on sellers or
builders in particular will need to be able to offer

(03:53):
up a warranty for new builds and for renovations over
one hundred thousand dollars including GST. By the way, who's
going to be able to offer up those warranties? How
will it work? Are there enough layers in the market
to make that reasonably successful. So there's that part of
that that we've been chatting about and working on during

(04:16):
the course of the week. And then I've been boxing
on with my own little projects as well, so scraping
and sanding and prepping and filling and taking a little
bit of rot here and there, and then doing some
nice new work as well, some door locks and some
shelving and down doing silicon yesterday. Here you go, paint

(04:37):
to finished, all the skirting boards, tiles are in, and
now just that finishing of that little bead around the
upstand let's get some silicon in there, stopwater tracking underneath
the skirting boards, just in case there was ever a
leak in the laundry. So it's been a nice week
and I don't know, I think we're coming to the
end of what's been a purple patch of weather for

(04:57):
the North Island anyway, where it's just been consistent days,
not a lot of rain, probably in the last month
or so. I don't know that we've had much rain
in Auckland at all, but that looks like it's about
to turn. So the water tanks will start to fill
up again because I've needed a bit of that water
surprisingly the last few weeks. And then well it might

(05:18):
be an end to the outdoor painting. So tell me
about your projects. What have you got going on. How's
it going. If it's going well, that's great. If it's
not going well and you'd like a little bit of
advice or some an opportunity to discuss some of the options,
because this is also one of the really interesting things
I've always found with building and construction is that while

(05:40):
there's a way to do something, not every step and
that is going to be the same for different people.
So you know, as carpenter's. Someone might do the skirting
boards in a particular way. They've got a method for
doing it. I might have a different method in terms
of where I start from where I end, how I

(06:01):
might do my corner joints, those sorts of things, depending
on the type of skirting it is.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Etc, etc.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Etc.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So there's not always just one way to do these things.
So if you want to talk about maybe a different
approach or a different solution to a problem, by all means,
give us a call. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. A little bit later on
today and I had a nice chat when I was
picking up some paint this week with Jay, who is
our regular painting expert, or one of our regular painting

(06:29):
experts from Razine. I was up at the Razine Color
shop in Wairau picking up it seems like the house
was rather thirsty. Went through my first ten liter of
lumber cider and needed to get another one to carry
on work on the house. And then also a couple
of little bits and pieces, and I needed some polyurethane,
some polyurethane varnish. I've got a whole bunch of plywood

(06:52):
shelves that I need to. I've had them cut down.
This is actually by the guys at IBS. Now I've
got them stacked in the workshop. Now that it's raining,
I can go inside and start working on polyurethaning those
shells before I install them. So those are my projects,
but I want to hear about your projects. The lines
are open. The number is eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and the text is nine two ninety two which is

(07:13):
ZBZB from your mobile phone. Jay our painting expert, as
I mentioned, I caught up with him had a long
chat about end grain ceiling. We'll explain that a little
bit what later on. But it's phenomenally important. I've decided.
I think other people decided it before me, but I've
figured out that it is actually really important when you
see the impact of moisture on timber over a period

(07:37):
of time. So Jay will be with us from seven
to twenty five. If you've got any specific painting questions,
feel free to fire those through. Like I say, Jay
from Razine at around seven twenty five this morning. But
right now the flow is yours. It is completely up
to you now as to where we go on the
program this morning, what's on your mind? What you would

(07:57):
like to talk about? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty text
nine two nine two and email is Pete atnewstookzb dot
co dot NZB. The floor is yours, ladies and gentlemen. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty The number to.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Call turning Oh's into She'll be right. The resident builder
with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies a future of
Kiwi building Today. Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news
Talk ZB.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Right, Oh, the lines are open. The number to call
OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty seventeen minutes after six.
If you've got a project and it's it's one of
those things you go. I'm like, I had to go
and pick up some materials on the way home from
the Home and Garden show yesterday, including well, for example,
the silicon that I was doing the other day, I
did that yesterday morning before I shot out for the day.

(08:47):
And one of the things was, you know, choosing the
right silicon in the end. Actually it was Tony, the
tyler who did the tiling, left me a tube of
silicon that was the right color to match the tile grout,
et cetera. So that when I did do a bad
but then it's it's often a case of, you know,
is the silicon able if it's for gaping, So I

(09:08):
had to do some gapping as well to prepare. I
did the skirting boards and a little bit of a
gap on the top, and so needed to fill that
gap before the painter started their painting. That's a different
type of silicon and a different type or sealant than
the silicon that I wanted to use to seal the gap.
I just left my skirting boards up deliberately about a

(09:29):
millimeter or so, just had a little packer underneath them.
When I put the skirting boards over the top of
the tiles, I pre painted all of the skirting boards
so that you don't have to cut in right to
that bottom edge, and then left the like I say,
left the skirting up just a fraction so that when
I did a bead of sealant, it actually had somewhere
to go. It's not just sitting on the surface, and
inevitably with tiles, it's not completely what. They're pretty flat,

(09:52):
but there's always a little bit of a gap here
and there. So I wanted to be able to fill
up that gap neatly do the silicon. Tell you what
you don't do when you're doing silicon, and I did
it twice. I can't believe it. I usually have like
a pile of old newspaper there so that when I
I'm cleaning up the silicon, I then wipe that onto
one piece of paper and leave that in one place.

(10:14):
Twice in the last two weeks I've got up, walked
out of the room and stood on there. So I'm
wondering why there's a big bit of paper flapping around
on my foot stuck there by the silicon that I've
just been applying. So there's a tip, don't stand in
the silicon. Thankfully I did it and then stepped outside
rather than then stepped back inside and ended up tracking
silicon all over the new tiles. So anyway, so that's

(10:36):
jobs done. But the point of the story is, you know,
there's all sorts of different very specific story silicons and
sealants for different purposes, and they're not interchangeable in many cases,
so you kind of need to know what it is
that what's the job that I'm going to do, and
what's the product that goes with it, And some of
those products like I say, are not always interchangeable texts

(10:59):
coming through, and you're more than welcome to send through
a bunch of texts, but I would suggest a phone
call is better. So it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Morning, Pete. What's the best
product to fill cracks in the concrete driveway? Have great
day from Trish. Thank you Trish, and I hope you
have a great day as well. There are some pre mixes,

(11:20):
so both ce Mix Cemix and Seeker Sika have products.
They're like a powder that you can mix up and
in some cases you can apply it dry into the
crack and then missed it with a bit of water
and that sets off the chemical reaction and hardens. So

(11:40):
both of those are there. Both of those are options.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
So either the.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Seeker or the Keep se Mix or Seeker both have
products which are like a powder that you can install
into those cracks, depending on the size of it. If
you want to go beyond just a reasonably small crack,
then quick patch is one. Actually, I've got a bucket
of it sitting on my workbench because my concrete floor
and the shed is in shocking condition. So every now

(12:09):
and then I just get excited and fill up, try
and level off little areas that are all old and
pitted and so on. I pulled out drops all the
other day, which I've got one that's set up in
the workshop and one that I use for outside, and
I haven't done much work outside for a while, and
realized that I've got some serious issues with moisture in
the shed as well. I don't know how I'm going

(12:31):
to fix that, but I'll sort something out. But that
talk about ten minutes of cleaning to get the drops
all ready to go again. Eighty is the number to call.
And someone's talking about the football club and at the
football clubroom, that's awesome, Ray Sparky, Well, my mates love

(12:52):
the show and we toasted Pete and Ruod at the football.
Actually i'm watching football at the moment. PSG versus Arsenal
one in extra time, one hundred and three minutes played
so far. Will this penalties in Budapest? Apparently the game
been there. Nice city, Paul, Good morning to you.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Good morning, Peter. How are you flying?

Speaker 5 (13:16):
I'm very well yourself.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
I'm fantastic, thank.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
You, not just good, but fantastic.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
It's there right mate, It's just about right up here
with super deeper.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (13:29):
Look you I heard you talking about cleaning up solicon. Yes,
I've got a fantastic tip for you. Now, what you
do is you save your old silicon tube and so
you turn it around backwards, so you've got the open end,
which is so roughly fifty mills in diameters, and you're
able to squeeze the actual plastic tube of the silicon container,

(13:54):
say like until you say a ninety degree bent, and
then you're able to run that along the edge and
then all the old childs and you're picking up actually
goes inside.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh I see in reverse, you know, it's like.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
A little scoop correct, which is you know, to possibly
hold I don't know, say half a lead of silicon
of you if you've got that much wasted, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
I mean certainly it would solve the problem of me
being a muppet and putting it on a piece of
paper and then standing on that piece of paper and
and and sign. It would solve that particular problem, not
that being when I.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
Was a young tra was the same thing. It was
either a rag or using And I got a contract
in Australia to go to a big brief and job
over there, and when I was over there, the sold
the sole boofer guy clean that's and karaoke. From that

(14:54):
day on, I thought this is the best way ever
for cleaning up, So you.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Know that's it's not bad.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
I'm not sure that it would have worked for me
yesterday because what it was was skirting boards and this
like a little return wall. So everyone's got their own technique.
I used to mask all of the time, like both
sides and so on. And then now I've bought that
little one of those little packets of their like a

(15:20):
neoprene or a not neoprene. It's like a plastic series
of shapes that you can use for still the little
yellow ones, those things, right, and I bought a packet
of those. They've actually been fabulous. So I do the
squirt the silicon in, push it really hard into the
gap so you know that there's plenty in the gap
that you've left there, and then a little bit of

(15:43):
liquid you know, detergent in a squeedgy bottle, a little
mist of water over the top of it, and then
with the strike it off. And then I keep a
pack of those like tough wipes that have got a
cleaning agent in them, just for those last little bits
of clean up anyway, and then on one edge I
did mask the tiles just because I wanted to really

(16:04):
straight line on there. But worked all right, apart from
the fact that I ended up with silicon on the
bottom of my shoes.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
And another big no no is, whatever you do, do
not use the spit on your think. Yeah, you end
up putting a little bit of you know, you give
a little German and the actual sort of and then
that's what starts to brow the.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Mult I have to say, that was my typical method
for years and years and years, and then then I
started like mats of mine us popsicle sticks, right, so
ice cream sticks. That works quite well as well. But
these little pack of those silicon shaping tools cheap at chips,
bloody handy. I have to say, there you go. There's

(16:44):
a tip for young players, which isn't you and I anymore?
Thanks Paul, nice to talk with you. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call twenty
five minutes after six Steve. Greetings, Steve, I'm very well.

Speaker 9 (16:59):
Hey, I've put in a small hole about twenty big
in a plywood sailor deck. Yep, what would be way
to probably cover hole through then so it's nice and
random seal it so it doesn't get water on.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, I presume that the plywood deck. Is it over
like a full metal deck or is it just over
essentially joists or beams in the trailer so you can
get to the underside of it. Yes, correct, Okay, Yeah,
I'll tell you what. One way of doing it, if
you wanted to do a neat hole is to actually
take a whole saw and sort of center it over

(17:36):
where the damage is. Drill through. That'll give you a
neat hole. And then if you've got sufficient numbers because
you can't, then use that same whole saw to create
a plug because it'll be a little bit you know,
you'll lose three or four millimeters around the perimeter of
it or on the diameter. But if you can, then
use the next whole saw down and if it works

(17:58):
size wise, you could put a really neat sized plug.
But what I or just a square with a multi
tool and a cutting blade, so you make a nice
little square outlet grab another piece of tantalized ply I
would backblock it so get underneath the trailer screw up
with only short screws, a new block underneath, and then
put your other block on top. And if you use

(18:19):
some two pot of POxy you know, builders adhesive or
something like that, and then make sure that you put
lots in so it effectively acts as a ceilant around
the perimeter as well. And if you were concerned about decay,
you could always get a little bit of timber preservative
something like metal X and and just treat that perimeter

(18:40):
if you really wanted to. Yeah, but look relatively straightforward job.
I would have thought, Yeah, I'm curious though, how did
you get a hold on the.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
Deck a big spike from the rock front end loader pivot.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Where I was trying to place it?

Speaker 5 (19:06):
No, I can imagine, oh man, all right, yeah, look
I would cut it out back block at, screw a
piece underneath, put a patch in there and lots of
epoxy glue, and that'll act as a ceilant around the
perimeter of it. Yes, I appreciate that, lovely, enjoy your days,
take care of all of this. Eight hundred eight. Probably

(19:27):
a little off cut apply that would be just the
right size. I did actually have a tidy app I
went to been loading up all the sort of See
I'm so involved in the whole recycling process that I
struggle to say rubbish onto the trailer. Because when I
arrived at the resource recovery center where I go to

(19:49):
take all my rubbish and inverted commas, we were able to.
Then I pull up at a certain area and I
can put my timber into one pile. I can take
the jib board off cuts and take them round into
a separate packet, and that goes off for recycling. I
pull out all the metal loft cuts of iron and
but some pieces and that goes into the recycling pile

(20:10):
for the iron and for other bits of metal. I
had a bag of cement that had gone hard all
on its own, so that could go into the hard
fill area. So I'm trying to reduce the amount of
stuff that actually is rubbish right as in it's going
to landfill each time. It makes a significant difference. Anyway,
I've done all of that the other day and then

(20:33):
trodded on down with the trailer to empty that out.
So that's another job done. Because you do have to
think about these things in terms of waste and what
happens to it. Long discussions at the moment with a
whole bunch of people around, and I think we had
some people from Walking Council on last year at the
end of the show talking about construction waste and the
sheer volumes of it, which is absolutely appalling. So happy

(20:56):
to take some calls on that as well. What do
you do with your waist? Are you in any way
mindful or concerned about where it goes? I suppose it's
two to it. One is reducing the amount of waste
that we create on sites and these ways of doing that.
And then okay, what do I do when I decide
that this is the rubbish that I've created, right, where

(21:16):
does it go? And how do I ensure that not
all of it, just without thinking goes to landfill? Your thoughts? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you've got some questions around building construction regulations, the
products that you need to use in the right applications.
Give me a call. Now, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(21:39):
is that number to call.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Helping you finish that five but it fixed. You started
the Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies,
the future of Kiwi building today call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty used talks there'd be I thought.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Because often it's a weird thing. Maybe it's just me,
but like something like that. We were just talking about
the silicon, right, and getting smoothing off the silicon, striking
it out, getting that smooth finish. Whether it's if you've
installed a kitchen bench against the wall and you want
to do a bead of sealant there, or if you've

(22:17):
put the vanity against the tiles and you want to
do a bead of sealant there. It seems like people
have different techniques. But I have found that these little tools,
these little sealent finishing tools, and they literally you can
buy all sorts of kits, so sealant finishing toolkit, corking kits,
silicon sealant tools, corking kit. That's what sort of pops up.

(22:40):
If you do a Google search, you'll find most of
the hardware stores have got them, or you can buy
one from an online retailer. But they're nifty and the
silicon doesn't stick to them, which is great, or you
can you can easily wipe them up with a bit
of like I say, these cleaning cloths that I use,
which again help to just remove the silicon from around

(23:02):
the edge of the tool, so you're not reintroducing old
silicon into a fresh silicon when you're striking these things off.
And again, little sprits of water over the top doesn't
impact on the silicon at all. Doesn't mean that it
won't it here, just means that it won't stick to
the tool that you're using to strike it off. And
as Paul said, you know, the days of basically wetting

(23:23):
your finger and using that to strike off the silicon
should be over. Really, and it does. It introduces bacteria.
And then if you wonder why have I got mold
in my silicon? What the theory is at the moment,
And most people that I've spoken to would go, oh,
it's because you spit on your finger and then you
use that. Someone has suggested wet cheese cloth. No, Ray,

(23:46):
I appreciate the Dutch in there, but no, I don't
think so. I don't know that that would give you
the finish. Did you use some cheese cloth to filter
the last? But a paint out of the bottom of
a tin the other day A few little lumpy bits
in there, So either a bit of cheese cloth or
something like that over the top of another canister. Tip
the paint into there. It captures all of the lumpy bits,
you know where if the tin's a bit old and

(24:08):
it's got some old paint that's gone hard on the top,
just tip that through. Actually I wasn't using cheese cloth.
I've got some of that. I actually use old socks
to be fair. Just put that over the top. Works
a tree. Actually, well, that's sounding a bit weird about it.
Panteose works even better, or shears, so nylons work really well.

(24:31):
Stretch over the top of the bucket and then tip
your paint through there.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
There's another hot tip from me as to how to
make sure you don't have lumpy bits in your paint. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Give us a call. The lines are open and it's
a fairly broad topic building construction, the rules and regulations.
It's quite good. Well, I found it quite useful sitting
down as I did the other day to sort of

(24:56):
prepare the presentation that I do.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
So.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
I was at the Auckland Home and Garden Shots on
Eden Park at the moment doing a presenta around sort
of an overview of current legislation around building and the
vast number of changes that there's been, including we talk
about it a little bit in the presentation, the move
from joint hand several liability to proportional liability and what

(25:23):
that's going to look like and its potential impact on
you as homeowners potentially, or you as customers of building,
or if you're a tradee listening it's going to have.
I think I think it's going to have an impact
that some people are not quite aware of how extensive

(25:45):
the impact or how widespread the impact is going to
be in terms of who's going to be able to
offer up the warranties and how that's going to work.
So that's in the pipeline. We need to be aware
of it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Hello, Rose, good morning.

Speaker 11 (26:01):
I want I wanted to summon size. I'm engaging someone's
level to have us.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And we pilot yes.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
And I was contracted. A person that was here got
ten thousands of less than the others. And I'm just
a bit worried because he's before I've sort of got
a contract. He's seen around breaking the baseboards, and we
arranged to meet after the weekend and talk about it

(26:32):
and getting started. But he's already been round to the property,
which is staking at the moment. He's taken all this
stuff from under the house and put it on the
back room and it's quite a big heap of stuff.
And you know, he said, you'll probably want to get
a skip, but I hadn't got round to that. And
he's left a tower of well it looks like sleepers

(26:55):
and oh is that what he would need? He's in
the contract, he said, new new piles. But would he
not be the piles?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
No, I.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Let's deal with the first thing. So you do have
a contract with the person, and and you've you've committed
to using that person or have you?

Speaker 9 (27:17):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 11 (27:19):
We just talked on the phone, and you know it's
getting around to whether they go to.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
But he's he's come and started doing work.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
Yes, he's even just the base boards with the system.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
He's getting the access ready. Look, I mean, how do
you feel about the fact that you I mean, do
you I'm a little bit surprised. Well, no, I'm actually
not surprised. So you've been in negotiations with them. They've

(27:54):
they've put forward a price, their prices, by the sound
of it, significantly less than somebody else's Somewhere along the line.
I assume you must have given them an indication that
you'd like to work with him, and then they've they've
started work, but they've kind of started work without telling
you that they're going to start work, and without the

(28:14):
written contract in place, because you haven't signed that.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
Yes, that's right. Yes, I've sort of looked them up
and a similar names, and I'm worried now. And there's
all these people that have given references on the internet,
but they don't RecA they're almost under satisfaction.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah. I now the other thing is too, are you
repiling all of the house or only just a small
portion of it?

Speaker 11 (28:49):
No, the whole house is And this is a little
bit out of level, you know, the more renovations and
other people have suggested.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah, and look, it's one of those things with old houses.
At a certain point you kind of have to face
that hurdle. I wonder whether you should get a little
bit of advice from someone who's familiar with this if
you don't feel that this is something that you're able
to kind of control and determine in terms of Like,

(29:27):
the reason I ask you about the consent is I
think that that work requires a building consent. So does
has anyone applied for a building consent?

Speaker 10 (29:37):
No?

Speaker 11 (29:37):
He said I wouldn't need it.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Okay, And on what basis did he say that he
wouldn't need it?

Speaker 11 (29:45):
Well, it's just replace putting the house back where it was.
It's not significantly on its side for anything. It's it's
just replacing it piles.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Yes, with the greatest respect, I think that he's wrong.
I know what he's alluding to. He's saying that, look,
you know, a certain amount of work you can do
without thiscessarily requiring a building consent. And I understand that
there is kind of a formula for saying, Look, if
you've got to replace one or two piles, you don't
need to get a building consent for that. That's not

(30:16):
what he's doing, right, He's completely replacing the foundations of
the house. That's the definition of structural work, and structural
work requires a building consent. So that would be I'm
trying to be a little bit cautious with my language here,
but that would be a little bit of a red
flag for me. The fact that he's gone ahead and
started work without the contract being signed, that would be

(30:40):
a bit of a red flag for me. And to
be fair, if his price is substantially cheaper than somebody else's,
that would be a little bit of a red flag
for me. My biggest concern is the fact that there's
not a building consent. And I'm pretty much ninety nine
percent sure that that work requires a building consent. So
if you feel confident in doing it, it's great, But

(31:03):
I would phone him and say, look, I want you
to stop and then either through another builder or an
LBP that you trust, maybe get them to you can
try and have a discussion with them around doing this correctly.
I'm yeah, I'm so convinced that you need a consent

(31:23):
for this right and doing it without a consent is
going to cause problems down the track. When if somebody
did a pre purchase inspection on the property in the
future and they looked at it and said, oh goody,
it's been repiled. Where's the consent for that? And there
isn't one. That's going to be a problem. So I
think it's probably worth putting a stop to the work,

(31:46):
asking him why there's no building consent, certainly asking him
why he started work basically without the contract being signed,
and maybe that he should just stop what he's doing
and you look at engaging with another contractor who's going
to be much more professional. The other question for you
as well, Rose, is is he a licensed building practitioner?

(32:10):
So is he a registered LBP?

Speaker 8 (32:13):
Yes he is?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Okay, So again I'm always reluctant to go down this path,
but I feel that he's acted outside of the code
of ethics for lbps, and part of the code of
ethics is to behave professionally. So starting a job where
you don't have a contract that's not professional. I think

(32:37):
giving advice saying you don't need a building consent where
I'm pretty sure you do is not professional. And you
just wonder whether parts of his the rest of his
work is not going to be able to spect either.
So I'm always really reluctant to sort of say, look,
I think you should pull the pin on this, But
there are enough red flags for me to say, I

(32:59):
think there could be a problem working with this contractor.

Speaker 11 (33:03):
And in outside being liable to pay for what he's done.
So fair, even though you shouldn't have.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Started well I mean, you might find it's the path
of least resistance. If he says, well, hang on, hang
my boys have been there for a day then, you know,
and demands money or something like that, you might end
up saying, okay, well tell me what that's worth, because
to be fair, that work needed to be done right,
so whoever's going to do the job will need to

(33:28):
remove the base boards. Personally, I would probably say I
wouldn't pay them, but you know, to avoid further confrontation,
you might want to just say, oh, well, look, tell
me what a day's labour's worth and I'll just pay
you that. But I'd like you to take your gear
and go please. But I'm you know, something like this

(33:52):
I think brings all of the industry into disrepute. And
I think that saying that you don't need a building
consent where clearly you do need a building consent is
unprofessional and unethical.

Speaker 11 (34:09):
And like a big pile of rubbish. I would have
got a skip, yeah, a bit of sorts.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, sure, in which case you're now he's not going
to take that away, so you're going to end up
having to take that away, which again you would need
to do anyway. But I think again, I'm always really reluctant.
I hate to hear these stories to be really blunt.
Where you know people who are lvps behave in this manner.

(34:45):
But I think that you should tie home on this,
ask some really serious questions and then decide for yourself
whether or not you want to continue to engage with
this contractor all right, let us know how you get on.
To be fair, I think this could be a serious problem.

(35:05):
All of very best and thank you for calling Rose,
really appreciate it, and please let us know how you
get on. All right, all right, look after yourself, take care.
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Speaker 5 (35:37):
News Talks B. We're talking all things building construction. It
seems like roses conversation has prompted a number of you
to call and feel good morning.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Got it, Pete It Just hopefully Rise is still listening.
Just wondering if she has engaged a constructural engineer. I
think it's the first port of call, to be honest,
when you're looking at a whole house reball, she might surprised,

(36:08):
you know what is actually needed.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
I suppose that sort of thing. I don't know whether
first portocore would be structural engineer. I mean, I know
what you're saying, and in terms of yeah, but I mean,
you know, if the house is sat there quite happily
for all these years and there's not any significant signs
that there's anything particularly complex with the geotech, then you'd go, okay,
well a designer, and this is why you get a

(36:32):
building consent, right, So okay, for a house of that size,
I need a certain number of anchor piles. I know
they're going to be nine hundred deep. I know there'll
be a brace. We know that we're going to connect
them to the bearers correctly, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And that's what gets picked up in the building consent.
And I guess it'll be the designer who looks at it,
maybe looks at the area and goes, actually, i'll tell

(36:53):
you what. There could be a couple of tricky things here,
we'll get it signed off by a structural engineer. But
typically you'd start with your designer, a person who's doing
the plans, to submit for a building consent, and then
if they feel that it needs to go to a
structural engineer, then you'd add that into it. But you know,
I had a quick look online and does work like

(37:13):
this require a building consent so that you know you
can do a little bit of re leveling, you can
actually replace one or two piles. It's typically around twenty percent, right, yeah,
underschedule one, but anything beyond that because literally this whole
house is going to be picked up, held in the
air and then repiled. So I think one hundred percent
it needs a building consent. Appreciate you phoning through where

(37:36):
suddenly we've got a whole bunch of people there to
try and chat with before we go. Phil, Thanks very
much for that. Ray, Good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (37:45):
Good morning, Peter. I'm building a tiny home which has
come to a grinding holt because i haven't sold my
house and I've now run money. I've got the floor down.
It's a marine ply, but it's exposed and I've been

(38:05):
told it can only be out in the weather for
three months and I'm now up about nine weeks. I've
asked around what I should do with this, how I
should seal it or primer or protect it or polyurethaneous? Well,
what do I do with it?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Certainly it's a petty because we've had a patch of
well in the northern regions anyway, a patch of really
great weather where it's probably we haven't had a lot
of rain, but the rain is on its way, and
certainly putting a coat of polyurethane just to seal it
is going to help it, but it's still not going
to mean that it should be exposed for more than

(38:45):
three months. So if it's a tiny home then it's
probably a relatively small slab I would be inclined to.
Even if it's something as simple as get a couple
of sawhorses with a few scaffold planks on it in
the middle of it, buy some big tar poland drape
them over the top so you've effectively created a tent
and just cover the whole area because you know it's

(39:06):
only going to be two or three tarp holands, and
then that will keep most of the weather off and
give you a bit of time while you sort out
walls and roof and so on. Do you think you'll
actually be able to get back to building it in
the near future.

Speaker 12 (39:21):
Oh yes, I'm hoping too. I'm hoping my house is
going to sell today.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
So yeah, Oh well, good luck with the sale of
the house today.

Speaker 13 (39:30):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, that's all right. Look, something as simple as some
tarp holans that you know have got a bit of
fall on them, that will keep most of the rain
off and that'll help.

Speaker 12 (39:40):
Okay, all lovely, all.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
The very best, you take care of bye. I think, um,
let me think we're going to crash into the news shortly,
so if Gail and Jim are okay, Actually, I'll tell
you what Jim, that might be a quick question from you.
Good morning Jim.

Speaker 14 (40:01):
Oh, good morning Pete. Just a quick one of the Sure,
I've got a fibrus plus ceiling with a fireplace and
a wall. It has smoke stains on it, and I've
cleaned the smoke stains down with sugar soap. Yep, So
do I still need a sealer over that?

Speaker 5 (40:22):
I think it would be wise because I think that
what you'll find is as sugar soap is good. There
are other cleaners that might be a little bit more
sort of aggressive slash effective, but you've cleaned it off.
I would still go for like a stain blocking sealer, okay, right, Okay,
that's just a little bit more durable, and then go

(40:45):
over the top of that with your top coats.

Speaker 14 (40:48):
Okay, and that is I only dealt with the smoke
stain as it is. I don't have to do the
whole ceiling.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Look, I tell you what, wiping down and cleaning surfaces
prior to cleaning is actually really really important. It makes
a big difference. So you know, if it's an if
it hasn't been painted for a number of years, I
would try and sugar soap and clean the entire ceiling
because that's going to be better for you in general.
So it just makes a huge difference, is cleaning down surfaces,

(41:20):
which is the kind of thing that we'll be talking about.
Thanks Jim, and go for the stained blocking seiler. That's
the sort of thing we'll be talking about with Jay
our painting expert. He is available from seven to twenty five.
We've got New Sport and Weather top of the hour.
At seven we'll come back and talk to Gail straight
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the practical and the prosaic. How do I fix this
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earlier tips and tricks for finishing off silicon or and

(43:09):
I'm still thinking about Roses conversation around engaging with a
contractor to do some repiling, not just some but in
fact it turns out repiling the entire house. The contractor,
it seems, has arrived on site. They've discussed a contract,
but they haven't actually signed one. They've come, they've started
work by removing all of the existing base boards, They've

(43:31):
loaded materials on site. They've said to Rose don't need
a building consent. I'm about ninety nine point five percent
sure that you do need a building consent for that
sort of work, in which case this is then doing
licensed building work or restricted building work without building consent.
And you know, starting a job without actually being told

(43:54):
to start the job and signing the contract. That's got
to be another red flag as well. And a couple
of people have taxed through on that. Yep, red flags there.
I've seen that tactic of bringing materials to site before
the job is confirmed to go ahead, floring guy, bring
materials inside, sort of claim the job and then demand
a deposit. This was two red flags on a day
of meeting him, seeing him on his way, but it

(44:15):
was still a little bit confronting. And you know, I'm
not sure about Roses circumstances, but you can see how
that becomes a bit of a challenge as well. So anyway,
we'll hopefully continue to follow that particular story this morning
on the show. In about fifteen twenty minutes, our painting
expert Jay from Razine will be available to take your

(44:36):
text question. So text through any specific painting questions to
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texts in a moment as well. Oh, eight hundred and
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you for waiting in a very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (44:56):
Good morning. I'm just chopping up my daughter. She's done
quite a large renovation about three hundred thousand dollars worth
on a property in Rory and Wilmington. It's then fully
consisted and everything like that. So when she engaged the builder,
she got, you know, obviously a couple of costs, and
the builder that she chose, she got an estimate from

(45:17):
him and a quote. He basically talked her and to
going to the estimate, assured her to be fine. And
now the final bills come in and it's forty eight
percent over the estimate price. And we're just wondering where
she stands with that.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Yeah, So obviously, for work of that scale, if there
is a contract, yeah, okay, And I guess it depends
on the terms and conditions in the contract. So if
the contract was proffered by the contractor, then typically it's

(45:55):
written in their favor, right, And this is the typical process.
So generally when you know, when a homeowner engages with
a contractor a builder to do a renovation, the expectation
is that it's the builder that offers the contract, right
because they've got their standard terms and conditions, they'll write

(46:16):
that out, they'll offer it to the homeowner, and so
homeowners I think often just accept the contract as it is.
Some might take it to their own lawyer and have
them review it, and the lawyer might say to them, hey, look,
you should cover yourself a bit better here by adding
these particular clauses to it. And then if that's agreed
by both parties, that becomes the contract. But I suspect

(46:38):
that if that hasn't happened, then the contract will most
likely favor the contractor. And in that contract, if it
just says materials and time are on a labor only
charge up basis, and it goes over you kind of
you know you've agreed to that right now. If that's

(46:59):
not in the contract and there is actually Like people,
we know the difference between quotees an estimate. So quote
is a fixed price, this is a schedule of work
and it'll be done for this amount of money, and
an estimate is typically here's a schedule of work, and
now estimate is that it's going to be X and
it allows for a little bit more variation, but there

(47:22):
is still an obligation and I think it's something like
fifteen percent that an estimate should not exceed the final
price should not exceed the estimate by more than I
think it's either fifteen it might even be twenty percent.
So certainly forty eight percent is well beyond that, in
which case.

Speaker 17 (47:39):
You could have a little bit of research on that.
I thought she said it was ten It might.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Be ten percent, Okay, so let's stick. You know, whatever
the figure is. I know it's not a lot because
I think some contractors have the attitude that, look, I'm
going to give them an estimate because then I can
get the job and then it doesn't really matter what
I charge because they just got to pay me. Well,
it shouldn't be like that, Okay. So now you're in

(48:09):
a position where the work's been done, the final bill
has been presented, it's considerably more than what was expected,
and it's a question then, so how was the like
was the invoice presented where somebody just goes it's this
amount of money, or have they explained why it's cost more,

(48:31):
where the cost overruns have come from, explaining all the
variations from the cost.

Speaker 17 (48:36):
That's what she's asked for. She's wanted to break breakdown
and expiation of why it's coming so much more. And
he's basically just come back to nothing and just keep
saying you need.

Speaker 8 (48:44):
To pay.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
I personally and professional. I don't think that's good enough
on the part of the contractor. I think again, I
presume that the contractor is a licensed building practitioner. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think it's good enough to just present an
invoice with a number on the bottom and go this

(49:09):
is what you owe me.

Speaker 18 (49:10):
No.

Speaker 17 (49:11):
No, Well, and they were kind of starting with what
to do next because when she went back to a
couple of months now, I said, well, I want a
detail breakdown of why it's more. You know, my understanding
is you can't you know, it can't be more than
ten percent of be Originally, Yeah, you heard nothing from
him for a couple of months, and all of a sudden,
now he's popped up again saying I want my money.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
And in that couple of months, is any work being done?

Speaker 10 (49:32):
No?

Speaker 17 (49:33):
No, the job was finished in February.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
See even that you know, sending in an invoice, like,
if you finish the job, if you're the contract, do
you want to get paid as soon as possible, right
you know?

Speaker 17 (49:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
And even if it takes you maybe a week or
so to get in all of your invoices for the
subcontractors that you might have paid for, that's fine. But
sending in an invoice, you know, six weeks or two
months later, doesn't strike me as particularly professional either.

Speaker 17 (50:02):
In February, oh okay, but she could query it and
send it.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
Why is it so much?

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (50:08):
And then she had nothing from him for you know,
a couple of months, and now suddenly come back on again.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
My feeling is that you're going to end up going
to a lawyer, right.

Speaker 19 (50:22):
You know.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
And I don't know whether you're going to be able
to avoid that. It's interesting that they haven't. They obviously
haven't done their final payment in the right form, because
there is a provision I think it's in the Construction
Contracts Act where you make your claim and then if

(50:42):
nobody disputes it within a certain number of days, the
claim is found to be justified basically, and then there
can't be any dispute about it, and that hands all
of the power back to the contractor or the person
who sent the invoice in. But if they haven't done
their claim in the right way, then it seems like
there's space to dispute it. My feeling is it's going

(51:05):
to end up going to a lawyer somewhere along the line.
And you know, personally or professionally, I think it's irresponsible
and unethical when a contractor sends through a final invoice,
it's considerably more and then they're not prepared to disclose
how it got to that figure that that just makes me.

Speaker 17 (51:24):
Suspicious, right yeah, yeah, okay, all right, But.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
In terms of a clear pathway forward, So is the
contractor issuing any sort of I'm not going to say,
not threats, but demands like saying, hey, look, if you
don't pay, I'm going to pass us on to a
debt collector or something like that.

Speaker 17 (51:44):
I don't think it's quite got to that stage yet, okay.
And I asked my daughter, is the adding on, you know, how.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Is the interest or something like that?

Speaker 17 (51:55):
Is he adding on all that sort of stuff? And
she said no, which is a relief, I guess.

Speaker 20 (52:01):
But also.

Speaker 17 (52:03):
Yeah, okay, and a type of lawyer rather than someone
who doesn't really know construction law.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Should I be look, sure, yeah, ideally I think it's
it would be wise to go to someone who's familiar
with these sorts of disputes and debates.

Speaker 17 (52:23):
How do I find someone like that?

Speaker 5 (52:25):
I tell you what. Actually, I was listening to a
seminar this week. There's an organization called Building Hub, and
one of the members of Building Hub as a lawyer
who's very familiar with these sorts of things. Just have
a look at at Building Hub and perhaps go and
have a chat to them. Okay, all right, sorry to
hear that, you know, from a from a tradesperson's point

(52:48):
of view and that sort of thing. I'm always a
bit gutted when you know, I understand that that projects
can cost more, right, I think we all understand that,
and unexpected things happen. But it's then the lack of
dialogue that you know, if during the process the contractor

(53:09):
had to sat down with your daughter and said, look, hey,
what we're finding is that we've had to do some
work that we didn't expect, or we've had some price rises,
and there have been price increases. Right, cost of PVC
pipe has gone up. All sorts of things have gone up,
but then you go to your clients straight away and go, look,
I'm really sorry, but this is it. And I do
have a clause in the contract that says that you're

(53:29):
paying for the materials plus a margin. And here i'll
show you the invoice. I used to be paying this
for the product. I'm now paying that plus the margin.
That's going to mean that we're going to be over
budget by roughly this amount. I'm sure your daughter if
there had been that dialogue and discussion all the way
through the bill, she would feel differently about this situation.

Speaker 17 (53:50):
Well, she's pretty onto it because we've done a few
realized sure there wasn't changes or anything. Everything was just
done kind of as right, this is what we're doing
and this is what's going to do. So there wasn't
significant changes halfway through the job.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, all right, oh gee, good luck with that.
But I think it's going to head down the legal
path pretty quickly. Okay, all right, thank you all the
very best, take care, go Thank you. If you've got
a story like that or something around working with contractors,

(54:27):
and I get it from the contractor's point of view too.
You know, if someone doesn't want to quote. And let's
be really honest, from a contractor's point of view, if
you're offering a quote for a job, particularly something like
a renovation, where you know there's going to be something unexpected, right,
you know that there might be a bit of decay
that you have.

Speaker 13 (54:44):
To deal with.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
You might find that the wall is particularly out of
plumb and it takes longer. You might find that counsel
during an inspection ask you to do additional work, you know,
to satisfy their concerns. There's a thousand different reasons for
jobs running over. But then if that's the case, it's
got to be about kind of transparency. Basically, Hey, you know,

(55:08):
I've just been instructed this or I've just got this
invoice in from my supplier. It's considerably more than what
I thought it was going to be when I sat
down and did all the pricing for this six months ago.
Because of the nature of the contract, you've got to
pay for that. But I'll tell you now, I'm not
going to tell you right at the end, Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? And

(55:29):
also in actually we might crack into this in just
a moment. If you've got some specific painting questions, fire
them through right now. Jay will be along from Razine
in just a matter of minutes. So Jay from Razine
coming up after the break. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty for your phone calls later on, but text through
your painting questions right now to nine to nine two.

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Speaker 5 (56:07):
I'm tangled up, to be fair, folks. I've managed to
twist up me earphones exactly, but it happens all the
time anyway. Thank goodness the cameras aren't on because it
doesn't look particularly professional right now. But someone who is
always thoroughly professional, and we had a long chat, did
we the other day? Outside the Razine store in wire

(56:30):
Out Park on Auckland's North Shore, Jay turned up just
as I was there picking up a little bit more
lumbersider for the exterior. Jay, good morning, Always nice to
see you and always nice to chat with you. That
was a nice coincidence the other day.

Speaker 13 (56:44):
It's perfect timing.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
It was perfect timing. And look, I have become remarkably
obsessed with end ceiling, right, and I know that all
of the manufacturers, if you're using timber outdoors, you know,
for scribers or gables or facier boards or what they'll

(57:06):
all say, you've got to seal the end. So you
take you at the timber, you chop it on the
drop saw, and then if you just go and whack
it up and you don't even seal these problems.

Speaker 13 (57:19):
Right, yeah, like those are just kind of After speaking
to you the other day, I've sorted to do a
little bit of reading into it and see if I
had any numbers. Sure there's anything online about it. So
that that cut end absorbs moisture about fifty times faster
than the flat part of the surface of the timber, right,
So it's just so important to make safe seal it.

(57:42):
But think about what you're going to finish the timber with.
There's no point putting a white primer and if you're
going to do a clear coat, so just sure plan ahead,
but make sure you're actually going to seal it up.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Because again you know in this instance and we were
chatting about this. You know, I've got this gable end
that comes down to a barge board. On a gable end,
it comes down, there's a horizontal a level cut on
the bottom, and moisture that just tracks along that board
sits there. And you know how you see droplets hanging
on the underside of a surface, right, and you go, what,

(58:17):
surely those droplets just drop to the ground. But in fact,
surface tension and water this one of the properties of water,
means that it will hold there. And if it finds
a gap or a crack or an area that hasn't
been either well sealed or certainly well painted, it will
then capillar reaction takes over, and you've got surface tension
plus capillar reaction, and that moisture is being sucked up

(58:40):
into the timber and that over time is going to
cause decay.

Speaker 13 (58:45):
Yeah, and that's why you end up seeing the splits
and cracks along the grain of the sin the moisture
sucks up through it.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (58:51):
It's why we always talk about doing regular maintenance because
any of those bits that get exposed and you get
a droplet of moisture in there, it's going to cause
issues over.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Time, and I kind of have to hold my hand
up here and go, you know, I know this stuff,
and you you know our old our own houses are
often bit of a blind spot, and I know there's
been areas where I haven't been as fastidious as I
should be, and I'm seeing the impact of that, right.

Speaker 13 (59:22):
Yeah, I'd say everyone's the same.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
I keep an eye on one side of the building
religiously because I constantly see it, and then every time
I go to the other side, I'm like, I need
to get out there, and I need to do this,
and I need to do that. So I'd say everyone's
the same. But the more you can get out and
maintain those specifically the cut ends, but just your property

(59:46):
in general, the longer everything's going to last and look good.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
Just on that, because I think sometimes we might have
the impression that if we're going to do some you know,
if we see something on the outside of our house.
Most a lot of us are in weather board houses
with timber faces and barge boards and that sort of thing.
If you see something where you can see a little
bit of flaking paint or or something like that, I
wonder whether our default is I must get round to

(01:00:13):
painting the house, whereas it's actually quite okay to get
out there, give that area rubbed down, maybe some primer
and a and a touch up, and yes, it might
appear slightly different if the paint has faded, but it's
still worth doing.

Speaker 13 (01:00:29):
Yeah. Obviously new paint and old paints always can yep, different,
as you've found out. Yeah, sure, absolutely, it's just getting
getting that area sealed up and protected. It might look
a little bit different start off with, but it's going
to blend in over time, but the property is protected.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Yeah, And I think that's going to be sort of
a new mantra for me, is you know, if you
see that that timber starting to open up, or you
see those gaps and cracks or whatever, get out there
and seal it. Particularly. It's changed very much my attitude
around you know, like we're a scriber is fitted against
the weatherboard. If you do a need cut and you go,

(01:01:08):
oh great, I don't need to put any sealant in
there prior to painting. I actually wonder whether my approach
now is do a bead of sealant, even if it's
a tiny little bead that will just allow a little
bit of flexibility there.

Speaker 13 (01:01:23):
Yeah that or even look, say prime and paint describer's
envelope sealed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (01:01:30):
Then if you've got the sealant and though as well,
you just doing everything you can to make it last
for as long as possible and stop moisture getting in there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Oh look, if you're doing a timber, you know, you
get a pre primed bit of scriber, You do your cuts,
you fit it, you're happy with that. If you're not
sealing all of those cuts as well, I think you're
just asking for problems.

Speaker 13 (01:01:50):
And just you said that's why the pre prime timber.
A lot of the time that pre prime is just
a transportation primer. Yes, so it needs to say if
you start standing it and it turns to dust, it's
going to need a good sand, a good i'd say
zeum wood primer, an oil based prime on that, and
then yeah, get a good painting primer and a coat

(01:02:12):
of paint on that before you install it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
And you'll laugh at this. I did put up a
little picture of some of the work that I was
doing where it was an old window. It had started
to peel and flake, and I you know, I took
it back to the point where the paint wasn't just
flaking off, right, so a large part of the sill
ended up being bare timber. And a joiner that I
know who happened to see it was like, thank goodness

(01:02:36):
using the oil based as recommended by joiners, and I thought, well,
at least I've kept the joiners happy. But it's really important. Yeah, yeah, right, Oh,
enough about you and I let's get a couple of
texts underway. Hey, a question for Jay. We're painting kitchen
where oil based painters started to split apart, and after
painting a small sanded down area found that the finish

(01:03:00):
was not smooth, so I had to plass to skim
other walls, right, so it's obviously walls that they're doing.
The suggestion was to use quick dry as an undercoat.
Is this will be okay to use on the plaster
and also compatible with a top coat, which will be
a waterborne paint in that instance, would you go for

(01:03:21):
quick dry as a touch up on plaster board.

Speaker 13 (01:03:27):
It's kind of a universal thing there, but sure, because
over the old oil based product that's on there, that
gets really brittle over time, so it needs a really
heavy sand followed by a code of quick dry before
your waterborne top coat. Now, quick dry can go onto

(01:03:48):
bad plaster board, but it tends to absorb in more
than like a broad wall wallboard sealer. Yep, it's going
to do the job better. So for a one stop
sort of products, yes, you could use quick dry, but
you might need to do an extra coat just so
it's well covered on that plaster board area. Yeah, and

(01:04:10):
there's a bit more uniformed, whereas if you've got a
different product and use the broad wall wallboard seiler, one
coat would be sufficient.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Okay, all right, so maybe the broad wall might be
a better solution there.

Speaker 13 (01:04:22):
Yeah, it depends on the area. If it's just a
little area to touch up, then potentially a couple of
coats of quick try. It's going to say that you
haven't from from having to buy another product.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Yeah, sure, okay, that's.

Speaker 13 (01:04:32):
You're going to skim it. Yeah, I'd use raisine short
seal and not quick dry board.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
The shore seals a kind of bulletproof, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Yeah, uh, pate can your painting guru, that's you ask
what he would suggest to use as a primer, then
paint on new sheets of hardy So fiber cement board
that is going to be fitted as a ceiling, so
a ceiling lining and a covered outdoor area. So fiber smeakeboard.
It's raw. What's your application system?

Speaker 13 (01:05:04):
So you've got razine share seal that we're just talking about, Yep,
you can go on there, or if it's all in
good conditions brand you you could use razine concrete primer
as well. Okay, but I think the go to from
the majority of people in first recommendation would be shot seal.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
I use the lime lock for the first time on
block work the other day. I've never never used lime
lock before. It was it was really nice to use.

Speaker 18 (01:05:36):
I have to say.

Speaker 13 (01:05:37):
Lime lock is generally used on brand new semonitious clusters.
Once that's concrete, essentially, once it's that's cured, you'd switch
to So usually after about thirty days you'd switch to
either shore seal or concrete primer.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Right, Actually you can still use it, yeah, sure. Why
is it important to use oil based undercoat? Is water based?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
I I think for me the oil based primer is
about beer timber in joinery in particular.

Speaker 13 (01:06:13):
Yeah, yeah, but obviously depending on the timber as well,
like a lot of the native timbers. Quick dry actually
works better at helping with any tannin sort of situation.
I think it's toatra Matti quick drives better, but if
you're using cedar it's kind of oil based. Yes, stop

(01:06:36):
the tannin bleeding through.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
And the other thing that I noticed the other day
is we pulled out some windows, pulled out the glass
and had to clean up the rebates. Really important to
prime and seal the rebates before you put the glass
back in as well.

Speaker 13 (01:06:51):
On timber, Yeah, anything, it's kind of bear and it's
got a chance of moisture getting in there. Moisture end
up leading to sort of mold growth and potentially rot.
So the more you can get coated and covered and
protected the better.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Now someone is painting some corrugated steel roofing. It's newish
but weathered and some it has a little bit of
light rust coming through. What's the best rust protection and
do I need to do the whole surface? It's a
good question.

Speaker 13 (01:07:26):
If you're going to paint the whole corrugated roof, then
we'd go with spot priming with armor x GP metal primer.
It's like a high build, solvent borne primer. Really really good.
Then you can either do a full coat of that
over the whole roof or switch to razine Galvo one

(01:07:46):
for a full coat followed by two coats of razined
summit roof.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Excellent. Thank you. Now this is a classic too. We
were just talking about the pre painted weather boards or
pre primed weather boards. So yeah, I think your description's
perfect in the sense that it's essentially a transportation coat. Right,
So how long this is a text? How long can
you leave pre primed with the boards before you get

(01:08:12):
around to painting them.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
It depends what sort of primer's on there, but ideally
you'd want a proper painting primer and two coats on
there as quickly as possible. The earliest you can get
it primed and painted and protected, the less chance you've
got of mold growth timber issues with movement and cracks

(01:08:38):
and splits and then rock.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Because you know, I have no problem with the pre
primed boards, and in fact we put some up the
other day. But it is interesting when you do take
a piece of sandpaper and rub over it, you can
see how easily that primer coat, you know, turns to dust.

Speaker 13 (01:08:55):
Basically, some do, some don't. I know, Razine manufacture one
and it goes to timber suppliers and that's a lot
more stable. I'm sure the other paint manufacturers do the same,
but then there's others that are just a transportation primer, right,
and like you said, as soon as you just rub

(01:09:16):
it with a bit of sandpaper with very little effort
and it's all coming off. Yeah, You've got to remember
the primer is like the anchor coat for the whole system.
So if that's just barely adhering to the surface of
what the substrate you're painting, then your whole system isn't
going to last very long. So that preparation is so important.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Always well prepara.

Speaker 16 (01:09:40):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
That's the golden rule. If you want a good job,
if you want a good finish, you've got to give
a good start in preparations everynning and painting. Absolutely, there's
one rule that's never going to change. No, all right, Hey,
I really appreciate your time as always on a Sunday morning, Jay,
Thank you very much, mate. We'll catch it sake your

(01:10:00):
news talk c B. That's Jay from Razine. And again,
you know, I'm often talking about sort of the wide
range of products and making sure that you get compatible
products and products that will give you the outcome that
you want. So getting good advice from the people at
your local Razine color shop is a really, really good idea.
It is seven thirty eight here at Newstalk s B.

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We're talking all things building and construction. Devne. Good morning
to you, Oh, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 13 (01:10:57):
Indeed, of course that a.

Speaker 16 (01:11:03):
Bathroom and toilet are separate. Yes, And what's happened quite
been happening for a long time, quite a long time.
Is when you've been to the toilet, you flush the toilet,
go into the bathroom, wash your hands. You get a
gurgling noise in the bathroom and you can hear it

(01:11:24):
in the toilet.

Speaker 18 (01:11:25):
As well, yep.

Speaker 15 (01:11:27):
And so.

Speaker 16 (01:11:30):
What is that needs attention or and it has been
happening since about February.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Right, but it didn't happen prior to them, No, No, okay,
I wonder whether you might have a blockage in one
of the vents. So if you think about an spend
of any description, as water travels down the bend, air
needs to come in to allow it to move right.

(01:11:58):
Otherwise it's a vacuum basically. And so typically plumbing has
a terminal vent at one end that allows air into
the line. And so when you get that gurgling sound,
it's literally water being sucked out of the traps. So
I think it might be a relatively straightforward thing for
a plumber to come and have a look itumer it is.

(01:12:21):
It's a plumber's job, yeah, to sort of identify where
what's changed and why you might have an issue there.
Maybe they've had a pop up valve that's not working
properly anymore, or perhaps there's a blockage somewhere, but it is.
It's it's a little trick if you're doing like pre
purchase and or if you're looking through a house and

(01:12:41):
that sort of thing is I often fill up the
basins like in the vanity and that sort of thing
halfway full of water. Pop the plug out and it
should run silently basically, Whereas if you hear a gurgling
sound once it's emptied the trap, then you've probably got
an issue somewhere with the plumbing in terms of not
having that vent that allows air into the line.

Speaker 16 (01:13:02):
Okay, of course it's been ongoing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 16 (01:13:07):
I live in a retirement village. I did contact the manager. Yes,
And time's gone on, and so it's been the I
called the director and because when he came over, the
noise didn't happen, did it.

Speaker 18 (01:13:24):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
Of course not. That's always the way, isn't it. Yeah,
taking the cars of the mechanics with a knocking sound,
and that it doesn't knock.

Speaker 16 (01:13:30):
When you get there, it's definitely there. Four people have
heard it, and sometimes it's actually quite loud. But as
I said, when the director came, it didn't happen. And
we've been texting and emailing about this situation, and I've
just got tired of it and told him that four

(01:13:53):
people have heard the noise and leaving it at his head.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
But I consume it'll be a plumbing issue, and I
think you just you know, need to sort of stand
your ground and get the plumbers round to have a
look at that, and that should be able to solve
that particular problem. Good luck with that. It is seven
forty five and Johnny, greetings to you, O.

Speaker 21 (01:14:15):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
He there.

Speaker 21 (01:14:17):
Yeah, hey, my mum used to bring you up.

Speaker 9 (01:14:20):
She passed away last year, but she used to say, pretty.

Speaker 21 (01:14:24):
That the advice you gave you saved your investment.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
That's very very kind, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
Yeah, sweet as hey.

Speaker 22 (01:14:32):
I live in an early eighties brickhouse with older.

Speaker 21 (01:14:36):
Almond and jewelery.

Speaker 22 (01:14:38):
Yes, I've got real bad aspir and I can smell
chimney smoke through my house at night in the winter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
But I've heard all the all the.

Speaker 22 (01:14:47):
Rubber seals and all the windows were placed and yet
but the windows are still. But we can lanky you
know what I mean that when you open them there
but hearts open them but crooked because they're just so old. Yes,
my landlord is accessible properties on the state housing Boy.
They say that the Healthy Homes Assistment came back to

(01:15:09):
everything's sweet and tight.

Speaker 21 (01:15:11):
So I thought, right, I looked up on that terrible
thing chat ebt, is it possibly smoke coming in through
my heat pump?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And I said, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 21 (01:15:24):
But I'm run out of options of what could be
the culprit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I've got drugs.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
So when you say smoke, like, is it actually visible?

Speaker 8 (01:15:35):
I can't see it.

Speaker 21 (01:15:36):
I can smell it, I can taste it. It's very acrid,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
But is the chimney being used?

Speaker 15 (01:15:42):
Yeah, we got names that used one. Yeah, okay, And
so it's quite still down ground, you know, okay with.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
And the hard thing with the tendancy services and the
Healthy Homes thing is that it says reasonable gaps, right,
so you know what you might consider reasonable might be
considered seeing differently by the personality taking a Healthy Homes assessment.

Speaker 21 (01:16:16):
Past per million for me to be having a massive attack.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
And yeah, and because it's a rental property, you know,
it comes down to the attitude of the landlord or
the property manager as to who you're not going to
help out there in any way.

Speaker 21 (01:16:34):
Quite them over white and black mold. But I did
a YouTube video and within minutes we had builders here.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
So yeah, that sounds like it works. The I guess
you know, a straightforward solution would be, if you were
prepared to invest a little bit of money yourself, go
down to the local hardware store, buy some window ceiling
tape and maybe just apply that to the inside of
the extrusion so that when the window closes, I know

(01:17:00):
you've had the window seals, maybe the rubbers around the
glass replaced, but that gap around there, if you get
the right type of seal, might give you, you know,
a little bit of added protection. Well, that would be
That would be the most straightforward solution that I can
think of in that instance there, And given your particular sensitivities,

(01:17:23):
I think you'd probably want to get onto that straight away.
So that would be my suggestion. Put some of that
sealent tape, which is a good idea in general, but
it will certainly help you out in particular. All the
very best with that, Johnny, and thanks for your comments
earlier on as well. It's seven forty eight here at
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Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
We're talking about LVL framing with Stephen Harpe from a
building consultant at Shape Homes. Now, Stephen's been using jframe
for some recent builds, supplied through ITM and Capital pre
Cut and wrote through as well, and is here just
to have a bit of a chat about how it's
performing on site and why it's made an impact. Stephen,

(01:18:14):
great to.

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Have you with us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Thanks for having me my pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Hang Now you're relatively new to jaframe. What stood out
to you when you first started using it?

Speaker 10 (01:18:24):
The first thing that comes to mind is solid, like
it's such a solid moduct. I'd had seen it and
read about it, so I was curious to use it
on site and see pertend how.

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It would go.

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So our wrapped ups from Rota ITM just gave me
a bit of a lowdown on it and pricing Yes,
and also with a bit of research, I can only
see positives after using it and can confidently say it
would be my preferred choice of framing for homes we build.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
So from a building consultant's point of view, how does
jframe change the way the house comes together, let's say,
compared to conventional framing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
For the builder.

Speaker 10 (01:19:04):
The process of standing frame is exactly the same. Areasure
standard timber plane frames, but once the frames has stood,
you say on time because there's no need to plane
everything straight. It gives you a real peace of mind
knowing that your walls are guaranteed to be straight, and
it means that you can cut down that step in

(01:19:24):
the process. Being able to deliver homes on time as
a strong focus for us at Shape Homes and one
of the reasons we choose to use Jframe.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
So for builders considering jaframe for the first time, what
do you say would be the biggest reason to give
it a go?

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
There?

Speaker 21 (01:19:42):
While it is a.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
Little bit more expensive upfront, saved you and labor costs
once stood, and you know that timber framing wise, your
client is getting a superior product, So really it's.

Speaker 21 (01:19:53):
A no brainer.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Hey, now, what sort of projects are you guys working
on at the moment.

Speaker 10 (01:20:00):
We're currently got a full bedroom home and lots of
that's due for completion in August. We're also working on
a multi generational holiday home in Orpie Beach which is
an exciting project, and we've also just started earthworks on
an architecture or late front property in place. We've also,

(01:20:22):
as of last week, signed another two new build housing
contracts for some mental.

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Work in town.

Speaker 10 (01:20:29):
And yeah, I've got another three to four houses getting
priced at the moment.

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Shad Ender, your local duke and Rep tells me you
also aren't afraid to travel and you cover the whole
of the Bay of Plenty.

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It also realize our home base and we love being here.
It's very central to the rest of the Bay of Plenty.
But I'm originally from Fakatani, so we enjoy being able
to build homes over there too.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
Yeah, it sounds like there's actually quite a bit on
the horizon. Is the end of twenty twenty six looking
pretty good for you guys?

Speaker 21 (01:21:01):
Yeah, yeah, it is, actually it is.

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That's awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:21:04):
I put it down to one word, the growth.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:21:10):
While I've been building for more than twenty years, Shape
Homes is relatively new, only being founded last year twenty
twenty five in September, so it's been a really exciting
time for us. We're on track to hand over three
homes in our first year, which we're pretty proud of,
and I'm already working with new clients to start later

(01:21:32):
and later this year with housing completion in twenty twenty seven.
We also have some land in the pipeline, so we've
got some house to land packages coming up and towards
the second half of this year as well. So watch
your space.

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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is eight minutes after or
seven minutes after eight, and the little alarm clock just
to remind you, it's liften time, ladies and gentlemen. This
is this is my new campaign to encourage the practice
of luften, which is basically, get up in the morning,
open the doors and windows, shock the house, let everything out,
let it breathe all that stale air that's built up overnight,

(01:23:59):
even if it's cold outside. And there's science behind this, right,
so even if you if your house is warm ideally
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opening the doors and windows just for five minutes in
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It's lift in time.

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A couple of quick texts that are coming through. Thank
you for the text that are already coming in for it.
He will be with us at eight point thirty this morning.
Read the chap with the smoke problem. I suggested tests
which window is, if any is the problem by buying
the right ceiling tape. You suggest it might be an
expensive exercise. It's not that expensive, to be fair, but yes,

(01:24:50):
he should go and test it. First, cover the windows,
see whether or not there's airflow, and then just sort
those out. So I appreciate that trev Um. Someone else
is suggesting that maybe he's got an older ventilation system
that also might be sucking in air from outside that's
not being correctly filtered, and he's packing up on that.

(01:25:13):
That smoke smell might also come from the bathroom extraction
ceiling fan. Not all fans have like a little butterfly
valve in them. That means that air directed out so
sucked out from inside to outside opens that little butterfly valve,
but it stops air when the valve isn't being used,
or the extraction is not being used from entering the

(01:25:35):
building as well, So that might be another thing. I'm
pretty sure these texts that are coming through on that.
But yeah, the other issue is that if there's smoke
outside and you open the door to go out, then
that's not something that you're going to be able to
solve either. Someone else who text through. I've got an
eighties rental and it passed the healthy Homes test. However,

(01:25:56):
I had to have the hinges on the windows that
open change because some of them were loose and weren't
shutting correctly. Cost me fifteen hundred bucks. Wow, I think,
but yeah, it's still better. It might be worth following
up on that. Appreciate that, Rachel, And yeah, I mean
if the other part of the healthy Homes standards is
that you need to ensure that there are no unreasonable gaps,

(01:26:21):
which is a little bit of a It's a fairly
broad definition, isn't it. But also that each habitable space
has an opening window, and that window needs to be
able to stay open, I be latched open and allow
for ventilation as well. So having the hinges replaced is
probably also not just part of the draft proofing, but

(01:26:43):
it's also perhaps part of the ventilation. Just with regard
to Devine who was talking about the drainage, Pete who
drain is blocked. No discussion needed, It's blocked, says Derek,
who I suspect might be a drain layer or a plumber,
can you please recap the painting of the pre primed
weather boards. So if you get some weather boards, and

(01:27:05):
almost all of them now come with a factory coating,
so when they're manufactured, when they're machined, the last part
of that process is they're given a coat of primer,
and then they're sent to the merchant, and then from
the merchant to the site. I'm pretty sure that every
single manufacturer says you must then reprime the boards prior

(01:27:27):
to top coating, and so that's exactly what Jay and
I were talking about. His suggestion was to use an
oil based primer. Recently, I've just done some where we
had to do a repair, added some new weather boards.
They had a factory coat on them, gave them a
light sand back, surfaces sound, it's clean, quick dry, razine,

(01:27:48):
quick dry, and then two coats of lumbersider and so on.
But definitely, whenever either a builder or a painter says, no, no,
it's already got a primer on it, we can just
do top coats, I would suspect that in most cases
they are wrong. In fact, in pretty much every single
case they'd be wrong with that advice. We've discussed the

(01:28:09):
oil based I mentioned something about, you know, in terms
of construction waste and sort of materials that are left over,
what you do with it, And I think, I really
hope that the days of it just simply all going
to landfill are over. I think we've got to be
considerably more considerate and considered around the way in which

(01:28:31):
we approach that issue. And I mentioned Friday morning, went
down to the local recycling center. Resource recovery center parked
up in an area where I could throw the off
cup bits of timber and rotten bits of timber into
the timber area because that gets chipped up. I found
some off cut bits of jib plaster board, took those round.

(01:28:52):
There's a separate bin for that because that's fully recyclable
metal that happened to be on there. That could go
any broken bricks and tiles that could go into a
hard fill area. So literally what was left over was
you know, some wood shaving and some maybe some old
rags and I don't know what you do with old
silicon tubes, but I can't find anywhere to recycle those,

(01:29:12):
so they went into there. But it did diminish the
amount of material that's simply going to landfill. So we've
got to shift I think our mindset away from it's
rubbish to it's a resource and what can we do
with it afterwards. Opening all your windows in the morning
Pete rocket Science. We never shut outs, at least the

(01:29:35):
north facing one. Leave them open a crack twenty four
to seven. Look, if that works for you, awesome. But
you know, if you're in a colder climate, then keeping
your windows open probably doesn't help because inside your house
is going to get really cold. But if you're in
a warmer climate and your house is still comfortable and
you're not freezing inside the house, then they by all means.

(01:29:57):
I never forget having a conversation with someone on the
show where we were talking about exactly this, and someone
rang up and they were deadly serious. Oh is it
a good idea to open the windows? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
It is?

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Oh eight ten eighty is that number? Call joy? Good morning?

Speaker 20 (01:30:16):
Yes, good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:30:19):
My son has an apartment which is one of ten
because it's every few weeks. Then they open the door,
there's a burning smell which goes away during their stay.
It checked all the electrical equipment, but still aren't unable
to find a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
When you say a burning smell, it's not a musty
smell that comes with a building that's not well ventilated
or anything like that. It's it's it's definitely a smoke
type smell.

Speaker 20 (01:30:50):
Well, that's what he told me. I haven't been there, right,
it's really mentioned.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
I mean, it's it's possible that if if the building's
been closed up for a period of time and there
might be some some ventilation and issues, that it some
systems I know where they're recirculating air out of the
roof space. I know it goes through a filter, but
if the filters haven't been changed and they're starting to

(01:31:22):
get to end of life, they're full of all of
the stuff that they're trying to filter out, you might
detect a bit of an odor and that might smell
a little bit like smoke. Otherwise, I wonder whether the
way in which he's describing it, it smells like smoke.
But what it actually is is what we were just
talking about, that idea that if we don't adequately ventilate

(01:31:43):
our spaces, that stale air will have an odor to it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
What can they do with.

Speaker 20 (01:31:49):
They're only there every few weeks for that if it's musty, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
An interesting one. One of the things that's been developed
recently is what they call some constant flow fans or extractors.
So typically we're used to the idea of having extraction
in let's say a wet area like a bathroom, or
we're used to having a rangeer, for example, that we
turn on when we're cooking and it extracts all of

(01:32:18):
that moist air from around the cooking area. But I've
just installed one where it's through wall ventilation and it
runs at a low rate constantly, so it's just allowing
air to circulate through that space. Ideally you'd have somewhere
where fresh air is being drawn into the building and

(01:32:39):
stale air is being expelled, but that will happen underdoors
and around windows and that sort of thing anyway. Or
you could add a supply grill so it allows fresh
air into the building or air from outside into the building,
and then you're extracting it from the other part, and
just that low rate, that constant flow of air will

(01:33:00):
help control that, particularly for a building that might be
locked up. Now there are much more refined systems, so
you can do mechanical ventilation, heat recovery systems that are
very nuanced and so on. A little bit difficult to
do as a retrofit, but some of these fans. And
then the other part of the fan is that they

(01:33:21):
they also have a humidity sensor in the fan, so
if it notices that the humidity has increased in the building,
it will ramp up the speed of extraction on the
fan until it picks up that the humidity has dropped
to a certain level. Yeah, So if you want to
have a look at that, have a look at the
SIMMS website. So s I m X and there's a

(01:33:44):
whole lot of information there, s I m X. No
e okay, okay, no trouble, Nice to chat with you.
Take care. Then actually text that I had the other
day and I'm just thinking about it because I'm from here.
I'm going to head back to the Auckland Home and
Garden Show which is on at Eden Park at the

(01:34:04):
moments last day today, and there's a Flexi houses there
and they've got this modular off site manufactured system. They
happen to use jframe because they want all of that performance.
But they've also got a little cutaway of how they
assemble their walls and roofs and so it's made in
a factory and then transported to site. So I'm go

(01:34:26):
and catch up with Andre for a bit. But the
question last week was around recessed windows and someone was saying,
you know, do they work well and are there issues
in terms of weather tightness. It's quite a long process,
but we've ended up hanging our windows right out outside
the cladding after we figured out that cladding leaks and

(01:34:48):
so we've started to install cavities and then we've ended
up with our windows out there. But it's not great
in terms of the thermal performance of the envelope because
you've put all that money into the double glazing. You
might have put the money into the thermally broken aluminium,
or you may go for up you see something like that,
but then there's this big gap around it because all

(01:35:09):
your insulation in the wall is separated from where your
insulation and your double glazing is. So what you really
want is your window to be in line with your
wall and so on. Anyway, the Flexi house, they've got
a really good cut away there showing a really good
detail because the stark UPBC the ambience windows that they
use have a system that allows you to recess the

(01:35:31):
window to get the best performance out of the thermal
envelope while also dealing with the weather tightness. So I
don't know if the texture is still around and they
want to come and have a look at that, But
that'll be at the Home and Garden show today. I'll
be doing my presentation at about twelve at exactly twelve
o'clock actually today around building legislation, I happen to have

(01:35:53):
a whole lot of socks from my mates at Apex Boots,
and I was giving those away to anyone who asked
a question. I was tempted to say, I'll give away
my old socks to people that ask bad questions. But
I'm just giving away fresh socks to people that ask questions.
I've got some more socks in the truck. I'll take
those with me today as well. Maverick greetings, Hello.

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
I'll gart it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
Whoht it?

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
How are you?

Speaker 18 (01:36:23):
Beverick?

Speaker 21 (01:36:24):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:36:24):
I'm pretty good, good stuff. I've got a little job
coming up this week.

Speaker 23 (01:36:28):
If we're the permitting putting up the screen in the
patio one side, no problems brick up against the house
the other side when this twenty year old I think
Sir Jennings House is a pillar, yes, supporting a canopy
over the patio. It's hollow and plasted. I've got no
idea what it is, but it doesn't sound substantial and

(01:36:51):
it's a windy area exposed to the east, so it
has to be flocked and tight. I'm wondering if you've
got any ideas on how I anchor green which is
about one point four meters by two point two Wow, yes,
felly big aluminion surrounds what I'm thinking. I was putting

(01:37:14):
a fifty by fifty powder coated aluminium block section all
around it to the insecure the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
To that, I mean that would work in terms of
providing some sort of additional support right for the screen.
And then you've got multiple fixing points into the column.
I'll tell you what I found reasonably successful for fixing
into blockwork where you're not sure whether they've grouted all
of the block right, So you've literally just got the

(01:37:44):
skin of the block to fix into. Is concrete screws, okay, Yeah,
So you drill the right size hole and then it's
got quite a coarse thread on it and they don't
overtalk them, but you can wind those in and they
hold remarkably well. So normally, if it's a solid filled block,

(01:38:06):
you could go, well, look, I could use a raw
plug or a true bolt, or I could epoxy in
a starter or something like that. But in this instance here,
just using the concrete screws, they work really really well.

Speaker 23 (01:38:19):
Okay, I'll try that, yees. But my question is the
pillar that I have to secure it to on the
other side one point four meters away. Yes, this hollow
and it sounds like.

Speaker 7 (01:38:34):
I can see the fiberglass. Ah, that's tell what it is?
What anchor system use of that will resist the windows?

Speaker 6 (01:38:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
I guess the issue is like, if it's hollow, and
maybe it's timber framed with a fiber cement sheet and
then a render over the top of that, it's not
what do you think it's made of?

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
I would guess fiberglass. Oh, I don't know. It's deaf.
Your hollow and doesn't sound like it's substantial whatsoe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
At all at all?

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
I mean, if you feel that it's at least reasonably sound,
you could always drill through and put in a toggle.
The more heavy duty ones are a brand called Toggler
t O G G L E R. I think they
are and I've found those to be really, really useful,

(01:39:37):
and they you know that the toggle has sprung apart
and is holding at the back of the lining or
the substrate and maybe rather than you know, let's say
you would normally do three, if you did five and
spread that load out, you're you're reducing your risk that way.
That's how I would do it. Yeah, good luck all

(01:40:00):
their rest, Yes, please do take care. You will take
a quick break and then our last call on a
building issue will be James. And then we're into the
garden with the root climb passed from eight point thirty
this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies
the Future of Kiwi Building Today News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
There be right, Oh, last corps on a building topic
anyway for the morning, James, good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:40:29):
Oh, good morning, right, thanks for taking up your time
to pleasure, pleasure, answer some good questions.

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
Great, Just a quick one. I've just said.

Speaker 18 (01:40:39):
A couple of windows installed aluminium, double closed. Yep, I'm
just rinting. One's probably about two meters two and a
half meters long by about one and a half high.
Two windows of one sold in the middle here. You know,
the little trade is a little trade that's against the window.

Speaker 24 (01:41:00):
I think it's for condensation or something correct. Yes, And
there's a couple of little holes yep. And I've noticed
there's a couple on the outside of the window.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Yes, they're not doing anything.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
It's really just puddling up.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
So are you Are you getting condensation on the inside
of the windows over there, on the glass or on
the aluminium.

Speaker 24 (01:41:27):
On the glass.

Speaker 18 (01:41:28):
I'm looking at it right now, just not all the
way up i'd say in the corners and probably that
twenty mili up the glass on the bottom from with
that channels, yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 7 (01:41:42):
I'm not just sure if they emput them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
And rise or.

Speaker 20 (01:41:47):
Yeah, angle or any suggestions.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Certainly, the drainage channels are really really important, right because
in some situations, even with double glazing, you might get
some condensation. But if you are getting it, it probably
speaks to something else about the condition inside the room. Right,
So if for example, there's not much ventilation in there

(01:42:15):
and you're getting a build up of stale air that's
high in moisture content, it will still seek out a
cold surface. So do you typically overwinter keep your heating
on inside the house or have some sort of heating
that would keep the room, let's say above about eighteen
degrees Okay, yep, that's going to be really important. Those

(01:42:39):
drainage channels are also very important if you do have
some condensation that allows that to drain out. But I
would be looking at ventilation and heating inside that space.
I guess if you've installed what we'd call conventional aluminium
joinery that's not thermly broken, then it's possible that with

(01:43:00):
the double glazing that stopped that one cold area. But
then the aluminium is a good conductor of heat and
so that's become the cold area and that's where you'll
see condensation occur on the aluminium jowinery like that. But
I would suggest a combination of ventilation and heating to
improve that indoor air quality will help you out there.

(01:43:23):
Good luck with that, James, hope it all goes well.
It is bang on eight thirty, let's talk to Roud.
Let's see what's happening in the garden. ECONEMO vexing. What
they forgot to mention on that YouTube video. The Resident
Builder with.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi
building today. Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News
Talks EDB for more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp.
Listen live to News TALKSB on Sunday mornings from Sex,
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