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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, another busy hour coming your way. Not quite so busy, though.
We've got a little bit more time to read a
few messages out, whip around the nation.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And then, well, I'm going on leave.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Kathleen Gazzola's in the studio. Kat will still be here
reading the news, won't you?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Just keep rubbing it in, Wolfie, will you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm more trying to let our listeners know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That you'll still do the news. Yes, I'll still be here.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Anything big happens, you know, let me know.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Keep me in the loop.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Our Kathleen Gazzola is a complete newshound. So you mark
my words, if something big happened, she'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ready to jump in and tell you all about it.
Don't you worry.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Absolutely. Wait for the big one to hit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, exactly. And you know what? I feel very.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Comfortable with that, knowing that if something big happens, you
are here and you're able to keep our listeners up
to date.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So that is good.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I just would need someone to press the buttons. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Sarah will help you out.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm not across the tech in this place just yet.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, well, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's taken me 12 years and sometimes I still put
us off air.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yes, this is a soundboard.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm more used to the cameras. Oh, too funny.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, I tell you what, plenty making local news headlines
and let's head across and find out exactly what is
making local news. Our local news is brought to you
by Motor Accidents Compensation.
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A coronial inquest has found former NT police officer Michael
Dutram died by suicide in April 2022 after suffering a
severe mental health injury linked to trauma and stress from
his 23 years of frontline service. The findings were handed
down today by Coroner Judge Elizabeth Armitage Mr Dutram was
44 years old when he died at his parents' home
(01:54):
in South Australia after being unable to continue working and
facing uncertainty about his future following his sudden departure from
the force. Coroner Judge Armitage has made seven recommendations to
the NT Police Force, including psychological assessments for officers seeking
long-term remote postings and a formal pathway for members suffering
(02:14):
mental health injuries. Another recommendation calls for lessons from Mr
Dutram's experience to be incorporated into police recruitment and ongoing
training with a focus on cumulative impact of trauma and stress.
In a statement, Commissioner Martin Dole says the NT Police
Force acknowledges the findings handed down today. He says they'll
(02:35):
now carefully consider the coroner's findings and recommendations. Commissioner Dole
says the wellbeing of employees remains a priority for the
organisation and And in the lead up to the release
of the findings, they've put support measures in place for employees.
A 17-year-old boy has been arrested after he allegedly escaped
from the Holtz Youth Detention Centre on Wednesday evening. Just
(02:58):
after 6.30pm, the teen allegedly escaped custody while on remand
and fled into nearby bushland. Strike Force Trident, Dog Operations
and Crime and General Duties officers searched nearby. However, the
boy was able to evade police and headed to water.
Detectives from the Fugitive Task Force and Catherine Criminal Investigation
Branch travelled to the community yesterday after receiving a tip-off
(03:21):
to the boy's whereabouts. At around three o'clock, an arrest
operation was conducted and after a short foot chase, the
teen was taken into custody. A stolen Toyota RAV4, which
the teen allegedly used to travel to Water, was found
with extensive damage. The boy is expected to be charged.
A 23-year-old has been arrested and charged following an alleged
aggravated robbery at a Bellarmack bottle shop yesterday afternoon. At
(03:44):
around 4pm, police received several reports of a man armed
with a machete fleeing the business with cash. It's alleged
the armed man entered the store and approached an employee
behind the counter demanding access to the safe. The worker
allegedly handed over cash from the register before the man
fled on foot. Police attended within 15 minutes before reviewing
(04:07):
security footage and conducted searches nearby. Using real-time electronic monitoring data,
police tracked the alleged offender travelling towards Acacia Hills. He
was found and arrested at around 6.30. He was allegedly
found in possession of drugs and was on bail at
the time. And Royal Darwin Hospital's maternity ward is being
temporarily relocated today as a major air conditioning upgrade begins.
(04:31):
The three-week project includes modifications to the ward's duct work
to improve airflow with the half a million dollar upgrade
funded in this year's Territory Budget. Maternity services will move
from Level 6 to Level 4 while the works are underway.
With NT Health warning there could be some disruptions but
will monitor any impact on bed capacity and elective surgeries.
(04:53):
Acting CEO Susan Bowden says the upgrades will improve comfort
for patients, families and staff, particularly ahead of the wet season.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Kathleen, there's a lot going on locally, but there's also
a lot happening nationally and internationally.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It certainly has been.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I just want to take you to this story, though,
that's being reported out of the United States. We know
that today is indeed September 11. So there's a lot
of discussion about that. And we will talk more about
that throughout the whip around the nation. But what do
you think? about Donald Trump promising to give $ 5, 000 to
every American adult if the Republicans retain control of Congress
(05:32):
after the midterm elections. This is wild. Absolutely blatant, you know,
buying your votes.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's someone with far too much money at a starting point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, it's just unbelievable. But I'm assuming as well that
it's not him who's paying it out. It's the assuming
that it's you know, that it's the American government that's
going to be paying it out.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'd need to go and do a little bit more research.
I know a lot of our listeners are avid newshounds,
much like ourselves. Um, but I just think it is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the, also the next question is, do you think
he'd follow through?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
No, probably not.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That's a very good point. This is a man that
also claimed that he was there when September 11 happened
in New York. I think there's actual evidence of him
not being there. And, uh, I think he's claimed also
that his workers pulled people from the rubble.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And I don't think that's been verified. So, you know,
do you take the word that he's going to hand
over that money?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I don't think he can because, look, there are about
260 million adults in the US. So such a payout
to all of them would total about US $ 1.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
3 trillion.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The national debt in the US recently surpassed US $ 40 trillion. Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So, yeah, it's a bit of cash.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Breaks the desperation a bit, doesn't it? It does.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Like, it's just dodgy, though. You know, at the end
of the day, you've got to make sure that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And his approval rating has shown that he's at the
lowest point he's been at, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and I just think to myself, you've got to,
you know, much like sport, you've just got to go
with it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Whatever happens, happens.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Democracy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's exactly... Very important word. Just wild.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He keeps us busy, old Trumpy.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Like, can you imagine if Anthony Albanese came out and announced, hey,
if you vote for me, I'm going to give every
Australian taxpayer $ 5, 000. I'd be like, you are an absolute wombat.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, it wouldn't be five grand. It's probably a couple
hundred or something like that. We've had, you know, money
sent out when the GFC happened and COVID payments.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yep. And every time you scratch your head just a
little bit and you think, wow, we end up in
a lot more debt as a result of this.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I think when that payment of under Kevin Rudd,
it was like $ 800.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh, was that the?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that was. What did it get referred to? It
had a bit of a nickname.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I know that all of our listeners will remember.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think I was at university at the time and
it was meant to be spent in the local economy.
I have to admit, I think I spent it on
a trip to Bali.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I bet you did.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I bet you did.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
$ 800 was a fair chunk.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's a good chunk of money when you're a uni student,
I tell you what. Yeah, certainly didn't use it for
the intention it was for. For the intended purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, and I think, yeah, there was, and then there
was a time where people were, you know, where there
was the baby bonus, remember that? Mm-hmm. Which some people
blame for some of the welfare issues we're experiencing these days.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's come home to roost 15 years later.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So Donald's not the first person to try and buy
a vote, normally be the last.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But it's just so blatant.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, that is very blatant.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, at least it's covered under something else.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh, it's wild. Pretty wild stuff. Sorry to offend anyone
out there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look, I love to hear people's thoughts on this. I
know that some people love Donald Trump. Others think he's
a bit of a maniac. There's very differing views. So
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Love to hear what you think about this. It does.
It really does keep things interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Kat, before I let you go, as I mentioned, 25
years since September 11. Where were you when you learned
that news of what had happened?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I remember my mum coming in and waking me up
and using the words of something like, America's been bombed.
And I was like, what? I was in Year eight
at the time. Yeah. And went to school and talked
to my mates about that, which you wouldn't normally do
as a, however you're older, as a 13, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
As a 13 year old, you don't really talk about
international situations going on, but that was certainly, yeah, a
time defying.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It was such a scary moment.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I mean, I've been to the September 11 museum
in New York city and it is wow, it really
does cut you in. Like you really get taken back
and the emotion and what families have donated to that
as well. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, the fact
that I think there's 9,000 people that have now died
(10:04):
or have been impacted by, you know, the chemicals and
the dust and the debris that they even got impacted
post because of it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was just such an unbelievable moment, I think, in
the world's history. And, you know, something that nobody ever
sort of thought would happen and changed us all, I think,
long term in terms of just, you know, that fear
that you have that things can change in an instant, really.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Absolutely. I mean, America had never been, you know, attacked on,
home soil. Obviously, they've had civil wars, certainly, but they'd
never been attacked. And in some ways, people thought that
they were untouchable. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, I know that the former Prime Minister John Howard
has come out today and has warned that the war
on terrorism will probably never end. 25 years after watching
the September 11 attacks unfold while on an official visit
in Washington. And John Howard, as we know, was in
the US Capitol when terrorists hijacked four passenger jets, crashing
(11:00):
into two Well, crashing two, I should say, into New
York's World Trade Center and another into the Pentagon. The
fourth crashed in a field in Pennsylvania after brave passengers
attempted to stop those hijackers. Now, he's recalled how a
press secretary rushed into his room to tell him that
a plane had struck the World Trade Center. Ten minutes later,
(11:22):
there was another frantic knock at the door and that
advisor had said, turn on your television, it's happened again.
I think the whole world knew by then it was
no accident, John Howard had said.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I've got goosebumps listening to that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, and a quarter of a century later, Mr Howard
believes the terrorist threat exposed... with such devastating force that morning,
has never disappeared. And indeed, he says, it may never
do so. It distresses me that we're still dealing with,
but really, that it's still here should be no surprise.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, we saw the situation at Bondi.
That's a level of extremism and targeting people because of
certain beliefs and the like. I mean, just from a
news sense, that entire situation of September 11 is incredible
that it was live footage when you saw that second plane.
hit the second tower. And I mean, the bravery of
(12:20):
those people on the fourth plane to confront the extremists
on there and unfortunately lost their lives because it crashed
obviously in a field, but it saved all those other
people that it could have impact. Like, that's incredible. I mean,
the museum again in Washington, DC of the media impact
and all the things on that, all the American networks
(12:42):
actually shared the footage and information because there just wasn't
anything out there. They were just on the fly. And
I mean, here as well, we were watching it in
real time too, and just.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You just couldn't believe what you were saying. And John
Howard's actually said, when you think back to the planning,
the audacity of the attacks, you start to realise that
this was so big, it would have to be an
ongoing threat. And he said, it still is today. So
They're the words of the former Prime Minister of Australia,
John Howard. And he said that extremism expressed through religious
(13:17):
or philosophical beliefs is always a terrible threat. And there
are people who are fanatics and Australians legitimately worry about them.
And he said, now, that doesn't mean everybody who prays
in a particular religion is a threat.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There are many thousands of Australians of the Islamic faith
who are good citizens, as the rest of us are.
But there are some who are not, and we are
right to worry about that. So they're the words of
Prime Minister, former Prime Minister John Howard today, as we
do reflect 25 years on.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Well, I mean, beliefs done or believed or carried out
in the wrong way cause wars. And we saw that
from World War I and World War II. They're exactly
the same reason those beliefs became extreme and taken up
by certain people and you know, carried out. So unfortunately,
it does still happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, Kathleen Gazzola, thank you as always for all of
your help this week and for all of your insight.
And you'll be here without me for the next two weeks.
Good luck.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll be here for a week and then I'll have
a holiday.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I know you'll miss me greatly.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I will on air, but I'm sure we will continue
to chat.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And our ranting off air as well.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I will be ranting at you whether you answer the
message or not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Kathleen, thanks so much. Thank you.
Well, another busy hour coming your way. Not quite so busy, though.
We've got a little bit more time to read a
few messages out, whip around the nation.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And then, well, I'm going on leave.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Kathleen Gazzola's in the studio. Kat will still be here
reading the news, won't you?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Just keep rubbing it in, Wolfie, will you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm more trying to let our listeners know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That you'll still do the news. Yes, I'll still be here.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Anything big happens, you know, let me know.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Keep me in the loop.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Our Kathleen Gazzola is a complete newshound. So you mark
my words, if something big happened, she'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ready to jump in and tell you all about it.
Don't you worry.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Absolutely. Wait for the big one to hit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, exactly. And you know what? I feel very.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Comfortable with that, knowing that if something big happens, you
are here and you're able to keep our listeners up
to date.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So that is good.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I just would need someone to press the buttons. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Sarah will help you out.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm not across the tech in this place just yet.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, well, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's taken me 12 years and sometimes I still put
us off air.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yes, this is a soundboard.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm more used to the cameras. Oh, too funny.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, I tell you what, plenty making local news headlines
and let's head across and find out exactly what is
making local news. Our local news is brought to you
by Motor Accidents Compensation.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
No rego, no cover.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A coronial inquest has found former NT police officer Michael
Dutram died by suicide in April 2022 after suffering a
severe mental health injury linked to trauma and stress from
his 23 years of frontline service. The findings were handed
down today by Coroner Judge Elizabeth Armitage Mr Dutram was
44 years old when he died at his parents' home
(01:54):
in South Australia after being unable to continue working and
facing uncertainty about his future following his sudden departure from
the force. Coroner Judge Armitage has made seven recommendations to
the NT Police Force, including psychological assessments for officers seeking
long-term remote postings and a formal pathway for members suffering
(02:14):
mental health injuries. Another recommendation calls for lessons from Mr
Dutram's experience to be incorporated into police recruitment and ongoing
training with a focus on cumulative impact of trauma and stress.
In a statement, Commissioner Martin Dole says the NT Police
Force acknowledges the findings handed down today. He says they'll
(02:35):
now carefully consider the coroner's findings and recommendations. Commissioner Dole
says the wellbeing of employees remains a priority for the
organisation and And in the lead up to the release
of the findings, they've put support measures in place for employees.
A 17-year-old boy has been arrested after he allegedly escaped
from the Holtz Youth Detention Centre on Wednesday evening. Just
(02:58):
after 6.30pm, the teen allegedly escaped custody while on remand
and fled into nearby bushland. Strike Force Trident, Dog Operations
and Crime and General Duties officers searched nearby. However, the
boy was able to evade police and headed to water.
Detectives from the Fugitive Task Force and Catherine Criminal Investigation
Branch travelled to the community yesterday after receiving a tip-off
(03:21):
to the boy's whereabouts. At around three o'clock, an arrest
operation was conducted and after a short foot chase, the
teen was taken into custody. A stolen Toyota RAV4, which
the teen allegedly used to travel to Water, was found
with extensive damage. The boy is expected to be charged.
A 23-year-old has been arrested and charged following an alleged
aggravated robbery at a Bellarmack bottle shop yesterday afternoon. At
(03:44):
around 4pm, police received several reports of a man armed
with a machete fleeing the business with cash. It's alleged
the armed man entered the store and approached an employee
behind the counter demanding access to the safe. The worker
allegedly handed over cash from the register before the man
fled on foot. Police attended within 15 minutes before reviewing
(04:07):
security footage and conducted searches nearby. Using real-time electronic monitoring data,
police tracked the alleged offender travelling towards Acacia Hills. He
was found and arrested at around 6.30. He was allegedly
found in possession of drugs and was on bail at
the time. And Royal Darwin Hospital's maternity ward is being
temporarily relocated today as a major air conditioning upgrade begins.
(04:31):
The three-week project includes modifications to the ward's duct work
to improve airflow with the half a million dollar upgrade
funded in this year's Territory Budget. Maternity services will move
from Level 6 to Level 4 while the works are underway.
With NT Health warning there could be some disruptions but
will monitor any impact on bed capacity and elective surgeries.
(04:53):
Acting CEO Susan Bowden says the upgrades will improve comfort
for patients, families and staff, particularly ahead of the wet season.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Kathleen, there's a lot going on locally, but there's also
a lot happening nationally and internationally.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It certainly has been.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I just want to take you to this story, though,
that's being reported out of the United States. We know
that today is indeed September 11. So there's a lot
of discussion about that. And we will talk more about
that throughout the whip around the nation. But what do
you think? about Donald Trump promising to give $ 5, 000 to
every American adult if the Republicans retain control of Congress
(05:32):
after the midterm elections. This is wild. Absolutely blatant, you know,
buying your votes.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's someone with far too much money at a starting point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, it's just unbelievable. But I'm assuming as well that
it's not him who's paying it out. It's the assuming
that it's you know, that it's the American government that's
going to be paying it out.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'd need to go and do a little bit more research.
I know a lot of our listeners are avid newshounds,
much like ourselves. Um, but I just think it is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the, also the next question is, do you think
he'd follow through?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
No, probably not.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That's a very good point. This is a man that
also claimed that he was there when September 11 happened
in New York. I think there's actual evidence of him
not being there. And, uh, I think he's claimed also
that his workers pulled people from the rubble.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And I don't think that's been verified. So, you know,
do you take the word that he's going to hand
over that money?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I don't think he can because, look, there are about
260 million adults in the US. So such a payout
to all of them would total about US $ 1.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
3 trillion.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The national debt in the US recently surpassed US $ 40 trillion. Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So, yeah, it's a bit of cash.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Breaks the desperation a bit, doesn't it? It does.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Like, it's just dodgy, though. You know, at the end
of the day, you've got to make sure that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And his approval rating has shown that he's at the
lowest point he's been at, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and I just think to myself, you've got to,
you know, much like sport, you've just got to go
with it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Whatever happens, happens.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Democracy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's exactly... Very important word. Just wild.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He keeps us busy, old Trumpy.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Like, can you imagine if Anthony Albanese came out and announced, hey,
if you vote for me, I'm going to give every
Australian taxpayer $ 5, 000. I'd be like, you are an absolute wombat.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, it wouldn't be five grand. It's probably a couple
hundred or something like that. We've had, you know, money
sent out when the GFC happened and COVID payments.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yep. And every time you scratch your head just a
little bit and you think, wow, we end up in
a lot more debt as a result of this.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I think when that payment of under Kevin Rudd,
it was like $ 800.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh, was that the?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that was. What did it get referred to? It
had a bit of a nickname.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I know that all of our listeners will remember.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think I was at university at the time and
it was meant to be spent in the local economy.
I have to admit, I think I spent it on
a trip to Bali.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I bet you did.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I bet you did.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
$ 800 was a fair chunk.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's a good chunk of money when you're a uni student,
I tell you what. Yeah, certainly didn't use it for
the intention it was for. For the intended purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, and I think, yeah, there was, and then there
was a time where people were, you know, where there
was the baby bonus, remember that? Mm-hmm. Which some people
blame for some of the welfare issues we're experiencing these days.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's come home to roost 15 years later.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So Donald's not the first person to try and buy
a vote, normally be the last.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But it's just so blatant.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, that is very blatant.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, at least it's covered under something else.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh, it's wild. Pretty wild stuff. Sorry to offend anyone
out there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look, I love to hear people's thoughts on this. I
know that some people love Donald Trump. Others think he's
a bit of a maniac. There's very differing views. So
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Love to hear what you think about this. It does.
It really does keep things interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Kat, before I let you go, as I mentioned, 25
years since September 11. Where were you when you learned
that news of what had happened?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I remember my mum coming in and waking me up
and using the words of something like, America's been bombed.
And I was like, what? I was in Year eight
at the time. Yeah. And went to school and talked
to my mates about that, which you wouldn't normally do
as a, however you're older, as a 13, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
As a 13 year old, you don't really talk about
international situations going on, but that was certainly, yeah, a
time defying.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It was such a scary moment.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I mean, I've been to the September 11 museum
in New York city and it is wow, it really
does cut you in. Like you really get taken back
and the emotion and what families have donated to that
as well. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, the fact
that I think there's 9,000 people that have now died
(10:04):
or have been impacted by, you know, the chemicals and
the dust and the debris that they even got impacted
post because of it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was just such an unbelievable moment, I think, in
the world's history. And, you know, something that nobody ever
sort of thought would happen and changed us all, I think,
long term in terms of just, you know, that fear
that you have that things can change in an instant, really.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Absolutely. I mean, America had never been, you know, attacked on,
home soil. Obviously, they've had civil wars, certainly, but they'd
never been attacked. And in some ways, people thought that
they were untouchable. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, I know that the former Prime Minister John Howard
has come out today and has warned that the war
on terrorism will probably never end. 25 years after watching
the September 11 attacks unfold while on an official visit
in Washington. And John Howard, as we know, was in
the US Capitol when terrorists hijacked four passenger jets, crashing
(11:00):
into two Well, crashing two, I should say, into New
York's World Trade Center and another into the Pentagon. The
fourth crashed in a field in Pennsylvania after brave passengers
attempted to stop those hijackers. Now, he's recalled how a
press secretary rushed into his room to tell him that
a plane had struck the World Trade Center. Ten minutes later,
(11:22):
there was another frantic knock at the door and that
advisor had said, turn on your television, it's happened again.
I think the whole world knew by then it was
no accident, John Howard had said.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I've got goosebumps listening to that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, and a quarter of a century later, Mr Howard
believes the terrorist threat exposed... with such devastating force that morning,
has never disappeared. And indeed, he says, it may never
do so. It distresses me that we're still dealing with,
but really, that it's still here should be no surprise.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, we saw the situation at Bondi.
That's a level of extremism and targeting people because of
certain beliefs and the like. I mean, just from a
news sense, that entire situation of September 11 is incredible
that it was live footage when you saw that second plane.
hit the second tower. And I mean, the bravery of
(12:20):
those people on the fourth plane to confront the extremists
on there and unfortunately lost their lives because it crashed
obviously in a field, but it saved all those other
people that it could have impact. Like, that's incredible. I mean,
the museum again in Washington, DC of the media impact
and all the things on that, all the American networks
(12:42):
actually shared the footage and information because there just wasn't
anything out there. They were just on the fly. And
I mean, here as well, we were watching it in
real time too, and just.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You just couldn't believe what you were saying. And John
Howard's actually said, when you think back to the planning,
the audacity of the attacks, you start to realise that
this was so big, it would have to be an
ongoing threat. And he said, it still is today. So
They're the words of the former Prime Minister of Australia,
John Howard. And he said that extremism expressed through religious
(13:17):
or philosophical beliefs is always a terrible threat. And there
are people who are fanatics and Australians legitimately worry about them.
And he said, now, that doesn't mean everybody who prays
in a particular religion is a threat.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There are many thousands of Australians of the Islamic faith
who are good citizens, as the rest of us are.
But there are some who are not, and we are
right to worry about that. So they're the words of
Prime Minister, former Prime Minister John Howard today, as we
do reflect 25 years on.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Well, I mean, beliefs done or believed or carried out
in the wrong way cause wars. And we saw that
from World War I and World War II. They're exactly
the same reason those beliefs became extreme and taken up
by certain people and you know, carried out. So unfortunately,
it does still happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, Kathleen Gazzola, thank you as always for all of
your help this week and for all of your insight.
And you'll be here without me for the next two weeks.
Good luck.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll be here for a week and then I'll have
a holiday.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I know you'll miss me greatly.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I will on air, but I'm sure we will continue
to chat.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And our ranting off air as well.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I will be ranting at you whether you answer the
message or not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Kathleen, thanks so much. Thank you.
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