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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have spoken with residents recently about the situation in
Catherine and what they feel is a real spike in
youth offending and crime. Then yesterday we know that a
sixteen year old died in a rollover in an allegedly
stolen car. Now we know that Alice Springs is no
stranger to this kind of terrible incident. In fact, they
saw a similar incident and the death of an innocent driver.
(00:22):
Now joining us on the line to talk about this,
to talk about scrutiny committees, to talk about a lot
that's going on around the territory and in Alice Springs
at the moment, it is Robin Lamley, the Independent member
Farah Lun and also the speaker. Good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You, Robin, Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Lovely to have you on the show as always. Now, Robin,
this situation that unfolded yesterday in Catherine. I'm sure that
you've heard the extensive coverage a sixteen year old dying
in that alleged stolen car. The people of Catherine have
really been calling out for quite some time for some
further assistance. They say that there's serious issues there in Catherine.
(01:02):
In fact, the mayor had said to us. If there
wasn't action taken, somebody could die.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And that's what happened. Yeah, I really feel for Catherine.
They've always been in pretty much the same situation as
we are in in Alice Springs, but we have had
more attention than they have. I'm pretty sure we are
able to attract national attention, which is has its negatives
(01:33):
as well as its pros, but Catherine is kind of
has been a bit neglected, I would I think. Yeah,
so this is terrible news but not surprising, and the
government needs to be equitable in how they address law
and order issues right across the urban territory, including Catherine Robin.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
When you look at some of the initiatives that have
you know, that have been on taken in Alice Springs,
is there anything that you feel that has worked that
might actually work somewhere like Catherine, or are there different
things that you know that could be looked at. I
know curfew is always thrown in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, we've only really had two attempts at a curfew.
The first one was two years ago and that worked well,
and the second one was a fizzer, but that did
help to some degree, but that was just really the
lead up to the twenty twenty four election, and since
then a new government has bought in much tougher legislation
(02:36):
around bail and that's had an enormous effect, I think
on places like Alice Springs. However, I am told that
the defense lawyers in the Northern Territory are working hard
to try and get around that and get bail for
their customers like they used to. But look, I think
(02:57):
Catherine probably just deserves some around their unique circumstances, which
are very similar to Alice Springs. They're a regional center
servicing a range of Aboriginal communities. You've got lots of
people coming in that don't necessarily have a place to stay,
and that's a recipe for problems as we see here
(03:21):
in Alice Springs. I see more similarities than differences between
Catherine and Alice Springs. But I think that we're a
bigger center where three times the size of or approximately
three times a size or at least double the size
of Catherine, and that means that we've got more probably
influenced politically, and I think that's a big factor. I
(03:43):
think the reason why Darwin gets everything and more is
because that's where more people live. That's where the more
voters are based, and that political pool or influence is profound.
So it's up to the member for Catherine, Joe Hersey,
to work with the mayor and I know that she
(04:04):
has got a good relationship with her and work out
what they're going to do for Catherine. And we've been
yelling and screaming from Alice Springs for years and we
only feel now in the last couple of years that
things have started to turn around. And I think the
same resources and attention needs to be given to places
(04:25):
like Catherine. And I admire the mayor. She's standing up
to the Northern Territory government and saying, look, listen to us.
And that's what I did for many years. Katie. That's
easy thing to dramatically ignore.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so yeah, that's exactly right. It's not an easy
thing to do. Look, we are going to catch up
with Joe Hersey in about ten minutes time, so we'll
talk more about it with her as well. Robin, I
want to ask you there's been some coverage this morning
on the ABC and about scrutiny committees. There's been criticism
on the ABC by the opposition and do also the
Independent Justine Davis saying, what's the point in having scrutiny
(05:04):
committees if the government aren't going to listen to the recommendations. Robin,
My mind was blowing a little bit as I was
hearing this, particularly the opposition, the Labor opposition, saying it
there wasn't even scrutiny committees under the former Labor government.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, they created scrutiny committees back in twenty seventeen and
they operated for about two to three years at the most,
and then in the second term of the Northern Territory
Labor government under Gunner, they scrapped them. For the last
term of parliament that Labor were in government, there were
no scrutiny committees. So it is a bit rich for
(05:43):
the now Labor opposition to cry about how inadequate the
scrutiny committees might be because they scraped them. So any
scrutiny committee is better than none. So I'll give credit
work credits due to the Coelp government for reinstating one
(06:04):
scrutiny committee. Originally there were two back in twenty seventeen
twenty eighteen. But look, there is a problem with all
the parliamentary committees. Katie and that is that they have
been and still are chaired by government members and dominated
by government members, and that is a problem. Like I
don't mind people winging if you've got a little bit
(06:26):
of a case. And I think this is one problem
across the Commonwealth countries of which we share our Westminster
parliamentary system. Around the world, parliamentary committees are not usually
chaired by government members because they are about scrutinizing government.
And until we change that, our parliamentary committee system is flawed.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And look, you know, while I have a laugh about
the fact that Labor obviously scrapped those strutiny committees and
now labor obviously new you know, a new form of labor,
but you know, now Labor are complaining about the fact
that those scrutiny committees aren't working. But the point you're
making is a good one. If you don't have somebody
independent then chairing it, it is a bit of a
you know, it's like it's a bit of a vacuum,
(07:11):
I guess, or you know, the information's coming out or
there's information being discussed, but nothing ever really changes. I mean,
do you think we need to be pushing more to
have somebody that's not a government member that chairs that
committee or you know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Need we need to go back to the Westminster parliamentary
system of which we subscribe, of which we are, and
look at how parliamentary committees should operate, and they should
not operate with government members chairing them. They should be
opposition members or independent members. The Government can participate and
(07:46):
that's a part of the system, but they should not dominate,
control and share every parliamentary committee like they have in
the Northern Territory for as long as I can remember,
apart from when the COLP lost the balance of power
back in twenty eighteen or nineteen or whenever it was,
or sorry, twenty fifteenth. What we're seeing though, is the
(08:09):
Scrutiny Committee is doing amazing work. They're coming out, they're
producing these reports, they're doing inquiries, and then they come
out with recommendations, and the government members then on that
committee are not standing up and supporting the recommendations in
(08:30):
their report, which might recommend changes to the legislation or
other things. That's what we're not seeing either, is that
the government members are not actually backing the work that
they're doing in the scrutiny committees. So I can see
to some extent why the non government members might see
that as a bit of a waste of time and
(08:53):
a bit ironic or whatever. I think the government members,
you know, if they believe in something, they should feel
free to argue and speak about what they think in
regardless of whether that's in opposition to their government position.
It's a very difficult position to be in a government
(09:15):
member that might have a different position to their party.
But that's called democracy, okay, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, and you know the people you represent want you
to stand up for them, even if it goes against
towing the party line. Robin, I want to ask you
about a few things going on in Alice Springs because
there's a lot happening for you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
There going off.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Let's talk first, well, I think yeah, but let's also
talk about the fact that that this major status project
will this major significant project status was given to you know,
to the ARAF You're a rare Earth's one point six
billion dollar Nolan's project, rob How big an impact is
(10:02):
this project going to have in Central Australia.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Massive, absolutely massive. I've been waiting for this forever, as
we all have. This is to use everyone's quote, a
game changer. It literally is. So this will provide us
with an economic boost like we haven't seen for many years,
and it can't happen soon enough. People can now start
(10:28):
planning with some degree of confidence. Obviously with mining you
never really know what's going to happen next, but there
seems to be it seems to be locked in. All
systems go. The green light is ready. This is a
mine that's one hundred and thirty k's north of Alice
Springs near Aileron, which was a roadhouse just up the
roads from Alice Springs. It's going to be a massive mine.
(10:51):
They're going to be starting construction of the mine I
think towards the end of the year. This will bring
prosperity and future to Central Australia like we have been
waiting for for a long time. And yeah, great news, Robert.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's not the only great news. Think it's well, it's
already getting it, yay, fifty years of Think what's it
like in town at the moment.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, it's starting to really pump. This is the biggest
weekend of the year in Alice Springs. We have people
coming from all over the country with their trailers hooked
up with their motorbikes on and their buggies and it's
going to be a bumper. Think fifty they're calling it.
It's the fiftieth anniversary of the bike race, not the
(11:38):
buggy race. But it's huge. They've got over seven hundred
bike entries I think, and the town is literally going
off and it just gets busier and busier. The race
is on Sunday. It starts early in the morning on Sunday.
They take off from the start finish line which is
(11:58):
out near the airport, and they ride to travel two
hundred and twenty seven kilometers down to fix the community
of Apertura or think, and then the following day, the
Monday morning, they come storming back. So it is just
an incredible race. It is extremely dangerous, but it is
extremely thrilling and exciting for the town.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Robin adding to the buzz, we know that Hollywood's Will
heart Throb Chris Hemsworth's production company Wild State, they've signed
this exclusive partnership with the race to develop film and
TV projects based on the event. Are people saying much
about that in Alice Springs? Are they pretty excited by
this development? Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They probably are, Okadie, I'm just waiting for my call
up to be a you know, one of the extras
in it, or something.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
More like a main character.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think robins an old girl on a box. So look,
I haven't heard much more about what I'm in the paper.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You'll do anything to get people to strings like you, Robin,
anything from vote.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That anything that Chris Hensworth does seems to turn to gold,
so that is also fabulous news for us. And I
think he's an all around good bloke, extremely attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Robin Lambley, it's been good to talk to you this
morning and all lovely to have you on. We'll talk
to you again next week.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Thanks, thank you, thanks so much
We have spoken with residents recently about the situation in
Catherine and what they feel is a real spike in
youth offending and crime. Then yesterday we know that a
sixteen year old died in a rollover in an allegedly
stolen car. Now we know that Alice Springs is no
stranger to this kind of terrible incident. In fact, they
saw a similar incident and the death of an innocent driver.
(00:22):
Now joining us on the line to talk about this,
to talk about scrutiny committees, to talk about a lot
that's going on around the territory and in Alice Springs
at the moment, it is Robin Lamley, the Independent member
Farah Lun and also the speaker. Good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You, Robin, Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Lovely to have you on the show as always. Now, Robin,
this situation that unfolded yesterday in Catherine. I'm sure that
you've heard the extensive coverage a sixteen year old dying
in that alleged stolen car. The people of Catherine have
really been calling out for quite some time for some
further assistance. They say that there's serious issues there in Catherine.
(01:02):
In fact, the mayor had said to us. If there
wasn't action taken, somebody could die.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And that's what happened. Yeah, I really feel for Catherine.
They've always been in pretty much the same situation as
we are in in Alice Springs, but we have had
more attention than they have. I'm pretty sure we are
able to attract national attention, which is has its negatives
(01:33):
as well as its pros, but Catherine is kind of
has been a bit neglected, I would I think. Yeah,
so this is terrible news but not surprising, and the
government needs to be equitable in how they address law
and order issues right across the urban territory, including Catherine Robin.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
When you look at some of the initiatives that have
you know, that have been on taken in Alice Springs,
is there anything that you feel that has worked that
might actually work somewhere like Catherine, or are there different
things that you know that could be looked at. I
know curfew is always thrown in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, we've only really had two attempts at a curfew.
The first one was two years ago and that worked well,
and the second one was a fizzer, but that did
help to some degree, but that was just really the
lead up to the twenty twenty four election, and since
then a new government has bought in much tougher legislation
(02:36):
around bail and that's had an enormous effect, I think
on places like Alice Springs. However, I am told that
the defense lawyers in the Northern Territory are working hard
to try and get around that and get bail for
their customers like they used to. But look, I think
(02:57):
Catherine probably just deserves some around their unique circumstances, which
are very similar to Alice Springs. They're a regional center
servicing a range of Aboriginal communities. You've got lots of
people coming in that don't necessarily have a place to stay,
and that's a recipe for problems as we see here
(03:21):
in Alice Springs. I see more similarities than differences between
Catherine and Alice Springs. But I think that we're a
bigger center where three times the size of or approximately
three times a size or at least double the size
of Catherine, and that means that we've got more probably
influenced politically, and I think that's a big factor. I
(03:43):
think the reason why Darwin gets everything and more is
because that's where more people live. That's where the more
voters are based, and that political pool or influence is profound.
So it's up to the member for Catherine, Joe Hersey,
to work with the mayor and I know that she
(04:04):
has got a good relationship with her and work out
what they're going to do for Catherine. And we've been
yelling and screaming from Alice Springs for years and we
only feel now in the last couple of years that
things have started to turn around. And I think the
same resources and attention needs to be given to places
(04:25):
like Catherine. And I admire the mayor. She's standing up
to the Northern Territory government and saying, look, listen to us.
And that's what I did for many years. Katie. That's
easy thing to dramatically ignore.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so yeah, that's exactly right. It's not an easy
thing to do. Look, we are going to catch up
with Joe Hersey in about ten minutes time, so we'll
talk more about it with her as well. Robin, I
want to ask you there's been some coverage this morning
on the ABC and about scrutiny committees. There's been criticism
on the ABC by the opposition and do also the
Independent Justine Davis saying, what's the point in having scrutiny
(05:04):
committees if the government aren't going to listen to the recommendations. Robin,
My mind was blowing a little bit as I was
hearing this, particularly the opposition, the Labor opposition, saying it
there wasn't even scrutiny committees under the former Labor government.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, they created scrutiny committees back in twenty seventeen and
they operated for about two to three years at the most,
and then in the second term of the Northern Territory
Labor government under Gunner, they scrapped them. For the last
term of parliament that Labor were in government, there were
no scrutiny committees. So it is a bit rich for
(05:43):
the now Labor opposition to cry about how inadequate the
scrutiny committees might be because they scraped them. So any
scrutiny committee is better than none. So I'll give credit
work credits due to the Coelp government for reinstating one
(06:04):
scrutiny committee. Originally there were two back in twenty seventeen
twenty eighteen. But look, there is a problem with all
the parliamentary committees. Katie and that is that they have
been and still are chaired by government members and dominated
by government members, and that is a problem. Like I
don't mind people winging if you've got a little bit
(06:26):
of a case. And I think this is one problem
across the Commonwealth countries of which we share our Westminster
parliamentary system. Around the world, parliamentary committees are not usually
chaired by government members because they are about scrutinizing government.
And until we change that, our parliamentary committee system is flawed.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And look, you know, while I have a laugh about
the fact that Labor obviously scrapped those strutiny committees and
now labor obviously new you know, a new form of labor,
but you know, now Labor are complaining about the fact
that those scrutiny committees aren't working. But the point you're
making is a good one. If you don't have somebody
independent then chairing it, it is a bit of a
you know, it's like it's a bit of a vacuum,
(07:11):
I guess, or you know, the information's coming out or
there's information being discussed, but nothing ever really changes. I mean,
do you think we need to be pushing more to
have somebody that's not a government member that chairs that
committee or you know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Need we need to go back to the Westminster parliamentary
system of which we subscribe, of which we are, and
look at how parliamentary committees should operate, and they should
not operate with government members chairing them. They should be
opposition members or independent members. The Government can participate and
(07:46):
that's a part of the system, but they should not dominate,
control and share every parliamentary committee like they have in
the Northern Territory for as long as I can remember,
apart from when the COLP lost the balance of power
back in twenty eighteen or nineteen or whenever it was,
or sorry, twenty fifteenth. What we're seeing though, is the
(08:09):
Scrutiny Committee is doing amazing work. They're coming out, they're
producing these reports, they're doing inquiries, and then they come
out with recommendations, and the government members then on that
committee are not standing up and supporting the recommendations in
(08:30):
their report, which might recommend changes to the legislation or
other things. That's what we're not seeing either, is that
the government members are not actually backing the work that
they're doing in the scrutiny committees. So I can see
to some extent why the non government members might see
that as a bit of a waste of time and
(08:53):
a bit ironic or whatever. I think the government members,
you know, if they believe in something, they should feel
free to argue and speak about what they think in
regardless of whether that's in opposition to their government position.
It's a very difficult position to be in a government
(09:15):
member that might have a different position to their party.
But that's called democracy, okay, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, and you know the people you represent want you
to stand up for them, even if it goes against
towing the party line. Robin, I want to ask you
about a few things going on in Alice Springs because
there's a lot happening for you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
There going off.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Let's talk first, well, I think yeah, but let's also
talk about the fact that that this major status project
will this major significant project status was given to you know,
to the ARAF You're a rare Earth's one point six
billion dollar Nolan's project, rob How big an impact is
(10:02):
this project going to have in Central Australia.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Massive, absolutely massive. I've been waiting for this forever, as
we all have. This is to use everyone's quote, a
game changer. It literally is. So this will provide us
with an economic boost like we haven't seen for many years,
and it can't happen soon enough. People can now start
(10:28):
planning with some degree of confidence. Obviously with mining you
never really know what's going to happen next, but there
seems to be it seems to be locked in. All
systems go. The green light is ready. This is a
mine that's one hundred and thirty k's north of Alice
Springs near Aileron, which was a roadhouse just up the
roads from Alice Springs. It's going to be a massive mine.
(10:51):
They're going to be starting construction of the mine I
think towards the end of the year. This will bring
prosperity and future to Central Australia like we have been
waiting for for a long time. And yeah, great news, Robert.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's not the only great news. Think it's well, it's
already getting it, yay, fifty years of Think what's it
like in town at the moment.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, it's starting to really pump. This is the biggest
weekend of the year in Alice Springs. We have people
coming from all over the country with their trailers hooked
up with their motorbikes on and their buggies and it's
going to be a bumper. Think fifty they're calling it.
It's the fiftieth anniversary of the bike race, not the
(11:38):
buggy race. But it's huge. They've got over seven hundred
bike entries I think, and the town is literally going
off and it just gets busier and busier. The race
is on Sunday. It starts early in the morning on Sunday.
They take off from the start finish line which is
(11:58):
out near the airport, and they ride to travel two
hundred and twenty seven kilometers down to fix the community
of Apertura or think, and then the following day, the
Monday morning, they come storming back. So it is just
an incredible race. It is extremely dangerous, but it is
extremely thrilling and exciting for the town.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Robin adding to the buzz, we know that Hollywood's Will
heart Throb Chris Hemsworth's production company Wild State, they've signed
this exclusive partnership with the race to develop film and
TV projects based on the event. Are people saying much
about that in Alice Springs? Are they pretty excited by
this development? Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They probably are, Okadie, I'm just waiting for my call
up to be a you know, one of the extras
in it, or something.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
More like a main character.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think robins an old girl on a box. So look,
I haven't heard much more about what I'm in the paper.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You'll do anything to get people to strings like you, Robin,
anything from vote.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That anything that Chris Hensworth does seems to turn to gold,
so that is also fabulous news for us. And I
think he's an all around good bloke, extremely attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Robin Lambley, it's been good to talk to you this
morning and all lovely to have you on. We'll talk
to you again next week.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Thanks, thank you, thanks so much
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