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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You may have seen in the paper over the weekend
there was some further discussion about flight prices and it's
something that is always on the agenda with our listeners.
We absolutely want those prices lower.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We want to be able to fly around and be.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Connected for a reasonable price, and we know that quantas well.
They have today launched what they've called their biggest domestic
sale in more than five years now, given the cost
of airfares for Territorians and what we cop the airline
is promoting the Northern Territory being included in the sale.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now, Kathleen joins me in the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Good morning to your cash morning morning.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
There's lots for us to discuss, but flight price as well.
You sent me through some of the prices that or
some of the places that are on sale at the moment.
Darwin to Brisbane two fifty darh and to Melbourne to ninety.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They all sound good in theory. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Whenever I go online to book a flight that's on sale,
I never seem to be able to get one that's
on sale.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, i'd kind of argue that some of these don't
really feel like you know, Darwin to Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
That's almost three hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You also questioned Alice Springs to Sydney is being promoted
at three hundred and nineteen dollars. Yeh Adelaide to Darwin,
which you'd expect was a quite common route given the
connection between the NT and South Australia. Three hundred and
thirty nine dollars. Yeah, they're saying that's a Sale's even
a flight to Darwin to Cans you know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
For two hundred and ninety crazy, it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't think it is either. I think it's bs.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And this is something that we've you know, we speak
about all the time, and I mentioned this last week.
I'd actually jumped online because my nephew's playing in the
Indigenous All Stars in for the Indigenous All Stars in
Auckland this coming weekend, and I was like, do you
know what, this is a massive game.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I really want to go and support him. Jumped online.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I was like, I made a promise to him that
I'd have a look and see how much the flights were.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'd have to fly out of Darwin at one o'clock
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
First off, it was going to cost me for maybe
like five hundred dollars to get to Brisbane, then stop
in Briuceble and for a few hours. Then granted I'm
obviously catching an international flight, then go from Brisbane to Auckland,
and that was going to cost more than five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It being around three thousand dollars and to be traveling
or in transit for about twelve to fifteen hours each
way with the stops in between.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And longer than you'd be on the ground in Arkland.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'd literally be there for a day and a half.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So I was like, there's not you know, like as
much as you want to be able to do that,
we just don't have the opportunity to ever be able
to book a flight at short notice. You know, if
a family member passes away, if somebody is giving birth,
if there is a wedding. Is sometimes with the wedding
you can book it a little bit more in advance,
but very often you cannot find a flight for a
(02:46):
reasonable amount of money. And if you do, well, I
hope you're ready to get on at one o'clock in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, it's brutal, as an age, so brutal.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it's so brutal and it well, Matt Cunningham's just
text and he said, yeah, exactly, sale my as I reckon,
that's how the rest of the Northern Territory is feeling
this morning. Anyway, we'll talk more about that with Glenn
Hingley this morning at about ten twenty. Also this morning
we are going to catch up with Charles Dwin, University's
pro vice chancellor and chief executive, to talk a little
(03:16):
more about this tafe bungle, and Kyzip Peric's going to
join us on the show as well to talk about
the by election. You can't stay away and some of
these calls that the Independent should have more resources. So
I don't know if she'll agree, but anyway, Cash, now
we've been talking a lot about the by election, a
lot about the seat of Nightcliff And you've gone and
done a little bit of homework.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Were this studious when you're in high school?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, but you've done your homework for three point sixty
because you love you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now you went and had a look back at the
results from the twenty twenty four August election because we
want to have a bit of a closer look at
the primary votes. How those preferences flowed, etc. To give
us a bit of an idea I guess of what
might happen at this by election. Now, what I thought
was really interesting to hear from the Electoral Commissioner is
once that rich is issued, I think she said twenty
(04:09):
four days until the election then happens. That's a really
quick time. So I would suspect that all of the
political parties and independence, whether you're talking Greens, whether you're
talking Labor, whether you're talking the COLP or any of
those independents, that you'd have to be fairly high profile
in your electorate to be putting your hand up, because
(04:30):
you've literally got twenty four days to make yourself known
to everybody in that electorate.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's a short time, yep.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And you expect that some of those faces you've already
seen during the general election, whether or not they ran
in Nightcliff, they probably potentially ran elsewhere, will put their
hand up. You see that a lot that those kinds
of people do target the by election for a specific
seat because you.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't have to live in that electorate. Two run.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I did see the COLP put up and expressions of
interest calling for nomination last night on Facebook. You know,
whether that suggests they've already got a name, but they're
obviously throwing it out there to try and entie some
more people. Obviously, Matt mentioned his Labor sources had been
talking about this for probably over a year, six months
into the term of whether Cat McNamara was going to
(05:17):
stick around, so they've probably already had plans in place,
you know, looking at Nightcliff, it is one of the
It is the most progressive electorate people argue, obviously, being
Labor aligned for over twenty four years and you know
we were quite strong as Oh, unlikely the CLP will
be in but looking back at the history of the seat,
Steve Hatton from the COLP won it in nineteen eighty
(05:40):
three and held it until his retirement in two thousand
and one, so it has leaned that way in the past.
Of course, the makeup of the electorate is probably different now,
the boundaries would be different, taking in different suburbs too,
but that isn't out of the realm of possibility because
the COLP on their first preferences still got twenty three
point seven percent of those first preference votes ahead of
(06:04):
the Greens.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So took us through those first preferences, what was you know,
what was the breakdown?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So Natasha Files did have the lead in the first
preferences at thirty two point eight percent of the vote,
that's over fourteen hundred votes. Then it was the CLP,
which was Helen's SECRETARYEP. She got twenty three points seven
percent of first preferences, one thousand and sixty votes, and
then it was Kat McNamara for the Greens at twenty
(06:31):
two percent, so she got nine hundred and eighty one
votes and that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Was not even a thousand votes, no, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That was one of the last seats that we were
all waiting to see declared as to who would win.
And obviously Cat won from that third percent position from
recounts from the preference flow, you know, she had a
lead of thirty three votes, so that removed any doubt
that the Greens had won Nincliff basically.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So it was quite extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, it is pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you know the fact that those preferences so heavily
came into play and that all of those preferences really
flowed to.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
To the Greens.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You'd have to wonder whether the COLP and the ALP
are going to do a deal with each other, will
preference each other so an independent doesn't get in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
All the Greens I would expect that's the case, you know,
especially the COLP would probably not want to cross Bencher
in there. They do cause a bit of headaches or
just frustration for them, and Labor obviously really would like
an urban seat.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Look, there's some interesting names being thrown around as well,
some of them just thrown around by me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Whether Suki where the Suki is prepared to run for
the Greens.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But Suki I did text you yesterday, so please get
back to us if you listen, And to.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Be blunt about it, she's got a high profile. You know,
she nearly won or she did very well in Fanny Bay,
and she is somebody who you see out in the
community very often. Then you've got you know, Phil Scott,
who obviously ran the last federal lee. I don't know
what electorate he lives in or where he lives, but
you wonder whether somebody like that may put their hand
(08:06):
up as a Teal candidate. Then you sort of go
Names like Ed Smelch are certainly being spoken about for
the Labor Party.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Someone mentioned Brian Manning to me, yesk he obviously ran
in Port Darwin against Robert Carol.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah Labor.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Look, I don't know as much about him and I
certainly don't see him. Even though I don't live in Nightcliff.
I do quite a bit of stuff in Nightcliff, so
you sort of you know, I do see different people
around in the Nightcliff area. He's not somebody who I
know a lot about.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, but it goes to the idea of those kind
of higher profile people within the parties than running in
a by election, even if they don't live in that electorate,
even if they don't spend a lot of time in
that electorate. Potentially you know, Zuki obviously ran in Fanny Bay,
so yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well. Then one of the names that had been bandied
around for the COLP was actually Alan Fanny Now. Al
is a former Nightcliff Primary school chair, heavily involved in
the football club as well as I understand it, and
well a good bloke. I think you'd be a very
good candidate for the COLP. The other thing that's worth noting,
(09:15):
I reckon with whoever does put their hand up to
run for this Nightcliff by election is even if they
don't win, you put yourself on a very good footing
then for whichever party or independent that you put your
hand up for very good pushing for the general election
the next general election in terms of getting their name
out there and that recognition that won't be lost on
(09:36):
those major parties. They'll be thinking about that no doubt
and thinking all right, well this person will put them forward.
Even if they don't win, they're then a very good chance,
you know, when the general election happens, particularly if there's
any kind of swing away from the COLP Labor would
be thinking that. I know there's a lot of discussion
about it being a litmus test. I guess for Selena
(09:56):
as the leader, same thing for Leah as the leader.
I actually think with these by elections as well, they're
hyper local.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Nightcliffe in particular, he's very hyper local. It's obviously leans
differently to some of those other areas of you know,
Parmesan we have always seen is very crime focused. This
is obviously a very progressive Greens environmentally conscious electorate as well.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Alongside Johnston.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, no, I have just said word. Brian Manning would
be great.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
He's a ripping bloke who lives in the electorate and
would set up a good show down between the left
and the right of the Labor Party.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's a good insight.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's interesting, so we'll see what happens.
You may have seen in the paper over the weekend
there was some further discussion about flight prices and it's
something that is always on the agenda with our listeners.
We absolutely want those prices lower.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We want to be able to fly around and be.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Connected for a reasonable price, and we know that quantas well.
They have today launched what they've called their biggest domestic
sale in more than five years now, given the cost
of airfares for Territorians and what we cop the airline
is promoting the Northern Territory being included in the sale.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now, Kathleen joins me in the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Good morning to your cash morning morning.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
There's lots for us to discuss, but flight price as well.
You sent me through some of the prices that or
some of the places that are on sale at the moment.
Darwin to Brisbane two fifty darh and to Melbourne to ninety.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They all sound good in theory. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Whenever I go online to book a flight that's on sale,
I never seem to be able to get one that's
on sale.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, i'd kind of argue that some of these don't
really feel like you know, Darwin to Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
That's almost three hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You also questioned Alice Springs to Sydney is being promoted
at three hundred and nineteen dollars. Yeh Adelaide to Darwin,
which you'd expect was a quite common route given the
connection between the NT and South Australia. Three hundred and
thirty nine dollars. Yeah, they're saying that's a Sale's even
a flight to Darwin to Cans you know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
For two hundred and ninety crazy, it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't think it is either. I think it's bs.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And this is something that we've you know, we speak
about all the time, and I mentioned this last week.
I'd actually jumped online because my nephew's playing in the
Indigenous All Stars in for the Indigenous All Stars in
Auckland this coming weekend, and I was like, do you
know what, this is a massive game.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I really want to go and support him. Jumped online.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I was like, I made a promise to him that
I'd have a look and see how much the flights were.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'd have to fly out of Darwin at one o'clock
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
First off, it was going to cost me for maybe
like five hundred dollars to get to Brisbane, then stop
in Briuceble and for a few hours. Then granted I'm
obviously catching an international flight, then go from Brisbane to Auckland,
and that was going to cost more than five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It being around three thousand dollars and to be traveling
or in transit for about twelve to fifteen hours each
way with the stops in between.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And longer than you'd be on the ground in Arkland.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'd literally be there for a day and a half.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So I was like, there's not you know, like as
much as you want to be able to do that,
we just don't have the opportunity to ever be able
to book a flight at short notice. You know, if
a family member passes away, if somebody is giving birth,
if there is a wedding. Is sometimes with the wedding
you can book it a little bit more in advance,
but very often you cannot find a flight for a
(02:46):
reasonable amount of money. And if you do, well, I
hope you're ready to get on at one o'clock in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, it's brutal, as an age, so brutal.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it's so brutal and it well, Matt Cunningham's just
text and he said, yeah, exactly, sale my as I reckon,
that's how the rest of the Northern Territory is feeling
this morning. Anyway, we'll talk more about that with Glenn
Hingley this morning at about ten twenty. Also this morning
we are going to catch up with Charles Dwin, University's
pro vice chancellor and chief executive, to talk a little
(03:16):
more about this tafe bungle, and Kyzip Peric's going to
join us on the show as well to talk about
the by election. You can't stay away and some of
these calls that the Independent should have more resources. So
I don't know if she'll agree, but anyway, Cash, now
we've been talking a lot about the by election, a
lot about the seat of Nightcliff And you've gone and
done a little bit of homework.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Were this studious when you're in high school?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, but you've done your homework for three point sixty
because you love you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now you went and had a look back at the
results from the twenty twenty four August election because we
want to have a bit of a closer look at
the primary votes. How those preferences flowed, etc. To give
us a bit of an idea I guess of what
might happen at this by election. Now, what I thought
was really interesting to hear from the Electoral Commissioner is
once that rich is issued, I think she said twenty
(04:09):
four days until the election then happens. That's a really
quick time. So I would suspect that all of the
political parties and independence, whether you're talking Greens, whether you're
talking Labor, whether you're talking the COLP or any of
those independents, that you'd have to be fairly high profile
in your electorate to be putting your hand up, because
(04:30):
you've literally got twenty four days to make yourself known
to everybody in that electorate.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's a short time, yep.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And you expect that some of those faces you've already
seen during the general election, whether or not they ran
in Nightcliff, they probably potentially ran elsewhere, will put their
hand up. You see that a lot that those kinds
of people do target the by election for a specific
seat because you.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't have to live in that electorate. Two run.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I did see the COLP put up and expressions of
interest calling for nomination last night on Facebook. You know,
whether that suggests they've already got a name, but they're
obviously throwing it out there to try and entie some
more people. Obviously, Matt mentioned his Labor sources had been
talking about this for probably over a year, six months
into the term of whether Cat McNamara was going to
(05:17):
stick around, so they've probably already had plans in place,
you know, looking at Nightcliff, it is one of the
It is the most progressive electorate people argue, obviously, being
Labor aligned for over twenty four years and you know
we were quite strong as Oh, unlikely the CLP will
be in but looking back at the history of the seat,
Steve Hatton from the COLP won it in nineteen eighty
(05:40):
three and held it until his retirement in two thousand
and one, so it has leaned that way in the past.
Of course, the makeup of the electorate is probably different now,
the boundaries would be different, taking in different suburbs too,
but that isn't out of the realm of possibility because
the COLP on their first preferences still got twenty three
point seven percent of those first preference votes ahead of
(06:04):
the Greens.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So took us through those first preferences, what was you know,
what was the breakdown?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So Natasha Files did have the lead in the first
preferences at thirty two point eight percent of the vote,
that's over fourteen hundred votes. Then it was the CLP,
which was Helen's SECRETARYEP. She got twenty three points seven
percent of first preferences, one thousand and sixty votes, and
then it was Kat McNamara for the Greens at twenty
(06:31):
two percent, so she got nine hundred and eighty one
votes and that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Was not even a thousand votes, no, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That was one of the last seats that we were
all waiting to see declared as to who would win.
And obviously Cat won from that third percent position from
recounts from the preference flow, you know, she had a
lead of thirty three votes, so that removed any doubt
that the Greens had won Nincliff basically.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So it was quite extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, it is pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you know the fact that those preferences so heavily
came into play and that all of those preferences really
flowed to.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
To the Greens.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You'd have to wonder whether the COLP and the ALP
are going to do a deal with each other, will
preference each other so an independent doesn't get in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
All the Greens I would expect that's the case, you know,
especially the COLP would probably not want to cross Bencher
in there. They do cause a bit of headaches or
just frustration for them, and Labor obviously really would like
an urban seat.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Look, there's some interesting names being thrown around as well,
some of them just thrown around by me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Whether Suki where the Suki is prepared to run for
the Greens.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But Suki I did text you yesterday, so please get
back to us if you listen, And to.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Be blunt about it, she's got a high profile. You know,
she nearly won or she did very well in Fanny Bay,
and she is somebody who you see out in the
community very often. Then you've got you know, Phil Scott,
who obviously ran the last federal lee. I don't know
what electorate he lives in or where he lives, but
you wonder whether somebody like that may put their hand
(08:06):
up as a Teal candidate. Then you sort of go
Names like Ed Smelch are certainly being spoken about for
the Labor Party.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Someone mentioned Brian Manning to me, yesk he obviously ran
in Port Darwin against Robert Carol.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah Labor.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Look, I don't know as much about him and I
certainly don't see him. Even though I don't live in Nightcliff.
I do quite a bit of stuff in Nightcliff, so
you sort of you know, I do see different people
around in the Nightcliff area. He's not somebody who I
know a lot about.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, but it goes to the idea of those kind
of higher profile people within the parties than running in
a by election, even if they don't live in that electorate,
even if they don't spend a lot of time in
that electorate. Potentially you know, Zuki obviously ran in Fanny Bay,
so yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well. Then one of the names that had been bandied
around for the COLP was actually Alan Fanny Now. Al
is a former Nightcliff Primary school chair, heavily involved in
the football club as well as I understand it, and
well a good bloke. I think you'd be a very
good candidate for the COLP. The other thing that's worth noting,
(09:15):
I reckon with whoever does put their hand up to
run for this Nightcliff by election is even if they
don't win, you put yourself on a very good footing
then for whichever party or independent that you put your
hand up for very good pushing for the general election
the next general election in terms of getting their name
out there and that recognition that won't be lost on
(09:36):
those major parties. They'll be thinking about that no doubt
and thinking all right, well this person will put them forward.
Even if they don't win, they're then a very good chance,
you know, when the general election happens, particularly if there's
any kind of swing away from the COLP Labor would
be thinking that. I know there's a lot of discussion
about it being a litmus test. I guess for Selena
(09:56):
as the leader, same thing for Leah as the leader.
I actually think with these by elections as well, they're
hyper local.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Nightcliffe in particular, he's very hyper local. It's obviously leans
differently to some of those other areas of you know,
Parmesan we have always seen is very crime focused. This
is obviously a very progressive Greens environmentally conscious electorate as well.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Alongside Johnston.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, no, I have just said word. Brian Manning would
be great.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
He's a ripping bloke who lives in the electorate and
would set up a good show down between the left
and the right of the Labor Party.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's a good insight.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's interesting, so we'll see what happens.
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