May 6, 2026 • 17 mins
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just staying on the Allice Springs issue for a little
bit longer. Joining us on the line is the federal
member for Linciari, Marion Scrimjaw.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning, Marion, Good morning, Katie. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, not too bad now, I know, I understand You've
just arrived back in Alice Springs. How's the community going
down there, given we're now week on from the tragic
passing of Commanjay Little Baby.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah. Look, I think a level of sadness, Katie, as
you would expect, I think, But what I saw in
this community so that you know, when I was down
here and the search and everyone, this community came together
and everybody got out, whether you're black, whether you're white,
(00:44):
with it, you know whatever. I think a community stood
up and showed it. You know, it's often got a
really unfair reputation where people think that, you know, Alice
is a racist community, or people don't care down here.
But what the community shows is that they do care.
(01:06):
And the community, in the interest of everyone, came together.
Businesses that I didn't expect, you know, brought water, brought food,
brought refreshments so that people who were out there searching,
you know, three hundred four hundred volunteers a day got
out and searched for this little one. So you know
(01:31):
it really it made me proud to be the represented
to live down here and to see the commitment, the passion,
the drive of every day. You know, people who lived
in this town get out and go and search and
look for those little ones, that little one.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How important do you think this vigil is going to
be this afternoon to that grieving process and the sorry business.
I know that there is no doubt there is going
to be a lot of people there and we're going
to see that community come together in the same way
we did last week.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think the vidual will be really important. And you know,
I think if just Enterprise is in Alice Springs, I
think that she should join the vidual. I think it's
really important. You know, she is a Senator who lives
down here in Alice Springs. It would be good to
see her at the visual, I think because this community
should be applauded for the work that they did. But
(02:28):
we need to remember and respect that our family is
grieving and we need to do justice for that little girl.
So you know, it's we should never forget what happened here.
And we need to work both. And I've said this
over the last three days Katie and MELLENDERI McCarthy has
(02:49):
said the same thing. It's not that we're not doing
any work. There's a lot of work that's happening, you know,
behind the scenes. We don't have to play it out
in the media, but there is work that is happening.
We are having conversations with a number of whether it's
the Northern Territory government, whether it's aboriginal organizations down here,
(03:12):
to look at what do we need to do to
go forward with this. You know, child protection has been
a highly emotive issue and I know many years ago
we went to the media and said, you know, because
it's such an important area, and particularly when it comes
(03:33):
to prosecution, we've got to be really careful here. But
it's an issue that can't be played out in the media.
We've got to not politicize the issues when it comes
to kids. Yes, the community needs to be informed and
they need to know about it. But you know, politicians,
(03:54):
we're good at inflaming situations, we're good at dividing communities
when really our role is to make sure that all
levels of government are working together in the interest of
the community, Katie, And that is always the one that
I take, you know, seriously, in terms of making sure
(04:17):
that we don't divide the community, but we bring everyone together.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. Look, I agree we are and we're you know,
like I Actually, it really annoys me when people think
the Northern Territory is a racist place, because I think
to myself, actually, you know, we're anything. But we're a
very multicultural place. But some of the terrible things that
we have seen happen, you know, over the years, have
been horrific. You know, I was talking to just Enterprise
(04:42):
about this just before ten o'clock. You know, in the
eight years since since the little girl in Tenant Creek
was raped, it doesn't like, it doesn't feel like a
lot has changed, Marion. And that's not through want of trying,
because I think to myself, you know, so everybody is
wanting to see that change in different ways, and and
(05:05):
you know, we've seen millions, if not billions of dollars
you know, I spent on housing in communities. We've seen
millions and millions of dollars spent in different ways to
really try to close the gap. But you know, to
see what happened and I really do respect what you're
saying in terms of this not being a political you
(05:27):
know football, but it's just hard tell you why.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Katie, and I want an opportunity and I will talk
to to your center. This has been an issue and
for me it is personal. I remember on the Tiwey
Islands when fifty of my you know, I watched fifty
young men being brutally raped, not by their own mob,
but by a Catholic priest who lived in that community.
(05:54):
And then I watched Katie for ten years, those young
men take their lives because the system had let him down.
They went to court and that person got off because
there was collusion. That he got off because his defense
said that there was collusion amongst Aboriginal people and therefore
the evidence that's gone to the court was corrupted and tainted.
(06:18):
So that's why I get really cranky when this stuffice
painted out in the media, because I saw it with
my own mob, where fifty young men were sexually assaulted
and then they took their own lights because there was
no support, you know, going through. And I get cranky
when people use you know, and they say, oh, bat
(06:39):
the stolen generation. Let me tell you when you look
at the care and protection of young people, Katie, there
is nothing in that legislation that says that the department
or child protection offices when there is a notification, they
should be doing the assessments based on the risk. And
(07:00):
as there are workers within the Child Protection Department not
you know, assessing that risk appropriately, then that is a
matter for the minister. So the buck stopped with the minister.
So do you always stopped with the minister?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Do you support what we've seen, the action that we've
seen taken by Robin Carl earlier this week. I mean
she'd said to us on the show yesterday that those
three staff were stood down and that you know, she
wants like she's conducting an investigation into the department and
wants to potentially look at some legislative changes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So who's who's conducting the interview, you know, the independent investigation,
because it's really critical not to have government investigate itself, Katie,
with this, and I remember when I was Child Protection
Minister all those years ago, an expert was brought in
(08:03):
from outside of the Northern Territory. But who had the
expertise in? A man named Howard Bath, who looked at
that and at that time when I got child Protection,
there were already five coronials that were on foot for
young people who had been under the care at the
(08:24):
minister and who had passed away. So those coronials were happening,
but the whole system, So you know, I can remember
coming into government in two thousand and one and the
biggest issue that we faced and you know, and I
take my hat off to my former colleague that I
was in Parliament with in terms of Jane Agard who
(08:45):
picked up the Snake Report. And so Snake had done
a report, you know, which was about the highlighting the
neglect that was happening in the Northern Territory and where
there were young average or kids that were dying as
a result of this. Now, the focus for twenty six
(09:06):
years up to two thousand and one had never been
looked at in terms of and we had a very
archaic Welfare Act. So with Jodine Karni who was then
the Opposition leader, I did a lot of work in
reforming you know, the legislation and we put in place
(09:27):
a very you know that the Care and Protection of
young people was a contemporary piece of legislation which looked
at you know the interest of that child. The point
of that legislation was about kids. It wasn't about oh well,
let's wring our hands and let's not do anything because
(09:49):
we're scared of the Solen generation.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Do you reckon, That's what's happened. Do you reckon? Over
the years, Mary, I, we've seen a watering down of
that legislation and that a child's safety look isn't.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, because it's it's if you look at the care
and protection of young people. And I was a bit
of standard at Minister Kale, and I like Robin. You know,
I've always had had conversations with Robin, but I was
a bit surprised, and I was a bit horrified that
she said that there was the absence of reference in
(10:23):
the principles set out in the Northern Territory Child Protection Legislation.
So clearly, by doing that statement, she hasn't read that
piece of legislation and she hasn't looked at it, which
is a worry that she is the minister who's got
carriage of that legislation and what she should be doing
is making sure because molest are needy to step down
(10:46):
those three staff members or to suspend them. I don't
know the circumstances of what happened. There's different stories in
the media, and people need to be really careful because
those staff members and we've seen that where you know,
the police officer with that young fellow that died in
(11:07):
cold So we've just got to be really careful with
what goes, you know, in the media. The minister, the minister,
you know, if this stuff happens, sure, she's ordered an
independent investigation, but she doesn't even understand her legislation case
from a bit of a problem.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
From what she'd said to me yesterday, and I don't
have you know, like I don't have the words in
front of me, But from what she'd said to me yesterday,
there were three people stood down. There was going to
be like an investigation, an independent investigation. They didn't they
hadn't chosen someone yet she wants that to be an
independent person though. And the point that she was making
for me on the show yesterday was that safety wasn't
(11:50):
one of the you know, it wasn't the word that
was mentioned. Look, I'm paraphrasing here, wasn't the word that
was mentioned in part of that you know that act.
I think it is when when they're looking at whether
a child does.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Situation. You know, I'll just quickly read through the responsibility
of the Territory government, the Northern Territory government. Objective number
one in that legislation is the Northern Territory Government has
responsibility for ensuring and promoting and safeguarding the well being
of children and supporting families and fulfilling their roles in
relation to children. Then it goes through the objects and
(12:29):
the first object is to protect children from harm and exploitation, Katie.
And then to make sure that anyone having responsibilities for
children as regards to the objects under the Act fulfilling
those responsibilities appropriately. So the Department should be making sure
(12:50):
that they are managing and looking at the risk when
there is a notification. But you know, Katie, one thing
that we have let slip in this whole thing is
there a mandatory reporting requirements under the legislation. The Northern
Territory leads the way here and we've always led the way,
and full credit to the colp of many years ago.
(13:13):
They were the ones who put mandatory reporting in the
Community Welfare Act and then we transferred that when Jodin
and I did that body of work. We transferred the
mandatory reporting requirements from the old Welfare Act into this
new legislation.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So Mary, I mean when you look at that, when
you look at the work that has happened, when you
look at the fact that that mandatory reporting requirements in place,
I mean, we've spoken to the Police Commissioner and to
the Police Association about this a little bit earlier this morning.
And I don't want to go into specifics of any case,
you know, but and I don't like, I want to
be careful, you know, how we talk about this. But
(13:52):
even with the report that was in the Australian earlier
in the week, you know, there were mandatory reports that
had happened, and and you know there were reportedly a
number of those that had happened, and and they weren't
acted upon. And I guess this goes to the core
of some of the discussion that we're having is you know,
are we in a situation here where there may be
(14:14):
staff within departments that are that are scared to, you know,
to remove a child from a potentially dangerous situation because
they're worried that you know, that they're going to create
a stolen generation, or that that it will be deemed
racist to do so.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'll tell you what's a real issue here in Allah Springs, Katie.
And when I came out with it, both it's enterprise
and members of her coalition government accused and accuse me
of sort bubbles. There is there is a big gap
here in central Australia for safe places for young people
(14:50):
and for children to go to. Now, if you're a
child protection worker and you're facing a situation where there
is a mat rich child and you need to remove
that child, where do you take that child to? And
this is a problem not just for Alice Springs, but
right throughout the Northern territory. You know, we put money
(15:11):
towards prisons and everything else, but we're not putting the
money towards the infrastructure to put you know, to provide
that safe place for young people. And that is a
critical piece of infrastructure that needs to happen in every
region throughout the Northern Territory because how does the child
(15:34):
protection work. And the police are confront they confront this
all the time. If they pick up a young person,
the only place they can take them is back to
that town camp or to that house. They have nowhere
to take these young people too. And if you talk
to young people, which I've done in this town, all
(15:57):
they want to do is feel safe cade and we
can't give them. You know, we need to start being
serious about the issues. And I will be talking to
my colleagues when I go down next week because you know,
if we're going to do justice for this little girl,
but for every child. So I don't care if that
(16:20):
child is Aboriginal, non Aboriginal or whatever. Every child in
the Northern Territory deserves to be safe and protected. And
this government, the government I'm part of the Commonwealth, I
will make sure that we meet our responsible which we have.
And one thing that Jacenter didn't give credit to Malan
(16:41):
Darry McCarthy on is that because of the issues right
across Australia with child protection, our government invested substantial funding
and resources to a National Indigenous Child Commissioner to start
working with those various states and territories, including the Northern Territory,
(17:02):
to fix their child protection systems. And that is really critical, Katie,
because you can't have politicians doing that, you know, but
we can't, and we should be making sure that the
federal government is working with the Northern Territory to put
infrastructure in place so that young people have got somewhere
(17:24):
to go to, and that child protection officers, police officers
when they pick up these young kids, they can take
them somewhere safe. And that's what's not part of this
debate or this discussion, and we need to be having
that and talking about having safe places for young people.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well, Marian Scrimjaw, the federal member fe Lingiari, I always
appreciate your time. Thank you very much for joining us
on the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, thank you very much, Katie, thank you
Just staying on the Allice Springs issue for a little
bit longer. Joining us on the line is the federal
member for Linciari, Marion Scrimjaw.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning, Marion, Good morning, Katie. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, not too bad now, I know, I understand You've
just arrived back in Alice Springs. How's the community going
down there, given we're now week on from the tragic
passing of Commanjay Little Baby.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah. Look, I think a level of sadness, Katie, as
you would expect, I think, But what I saw in
this community so that you know, when I was down
here and the search and everyone, this community came together
and everybody got out, whether you're black, whether you're white,
(00:44):
with it, you know whatever. I think a community stood
up and showed it. You know, it's often got a
really unfair reputation where people think that, you know, Alice
is a racist community, or people don't care down here.
But what the community shows is that they do care.
(01:06):
And the community, in the interest of everyone, came together.
Businesses that I didn't expect, you know, brought water, brought food,
brought refreshments so that people who were out there searching,
you know, three hundred four hundred volunteers a day got
out and searched for this little one. So you know
(01:31):
it really it made me proud to be the represented
to live down here and to see the commitment, the passion,
the drive of every day. You know, people who lived
in this town get out and go and search and
look for those little ones, that little one.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How important do you think this vigil is going to
be this afternoon to that grieving process and the sorry business.
I know that there is no doubt there is going
to be a lot of people there and we're going
to see that community come together in the same way
we did last week.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think the vidual will be really important. And you know,
I think if just Enterprise is in Alice Springs, I
think that she should join the vidual. I think it's
really important. You know, she is a Senator who lives
down here in Alice Springs. It would be good to
see her at the visual, I think because this community
should be applauded for the work that they did. But
(02:28):
we need to remember and respect that our family is
grieving and we need to do justice for that little girl.
So you know, it's we should never forget what happened here.
And we need to work both. And I've said this
over the last three days Katie and MELLENDERI McCarthy has
(02:49):
said the same thing. It's not that we're not doing
any work. There's a lot of work that's happening, you know,
behind the scenes. We don't have to play it out
in the media, but there is work that is happening.
We are having conversations with a number of whether it's
the Northern Territory government, whether it's aboriginal organizations down here,
(03:12):
to look at what do we need to do to
go forward with this. You know, child protection has been
a highly emotive issue and I know many years ago
we went to the media and said, you know, because
it's such an important area, and particularly when it comes
(03:33):
to prosecution, we've got to be really careful here. But
it's an issue that can't be played out in the media.
We've got to not politicize the issues when it comes
to kids. Yes, the community needs to be informed and
they need to know about it. But you know, politicians,
(03:54):
we're good at inflaming situations, we're good at dividing communities
when really our role is to make sure that all
levels of government are working together in the interest of
the community, Katie, And that is always the one that
I take, you know, seriously, in terms of making sure
(04:17):
that we don't divide the community, but we bring everyone together.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. Look, I agree we are and we're you know,
like I Actually, it really annoys me when people think
the Northern Territory is a racist place, because I think
to myself, actually, you know, we're anything. But we're a
very multicultural place. But some of the terrible things that
we have seen happen, you know, over the years, have
been horrific. You know, I was talking to just Enterprise
(04:42):
about this just before ten o'clock. You know, in the
eight years since since the little girl in Tenant Creek
was raped, it doesn't like, it doesn't feel like a
lot has changed, Marion. And that's not through want of trying,
because I think to myself, you know, so everybody is
wanting to see that change in different ways, and and
(05:05):
you know, we've seen millions, if not billions of dollars
you know, I spent on housing in communities. We've seen
millions and millions of dollars spent in different ways to
really try to close the gap. But you know, to
see what happened and I really do respect what you're
saying in terms of this not being a political you
(05:27):
know football, but it's just hard tell you why.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Katie, and I want an opportunity and I will talk
to to your center. This has been an issue and
for me it is personal. I remember on the Tiwey
Islands when fifty of my you know, I watched fifty
young men being brutally raped, not by their own mob,
but by a Catholic priest who lived in that community.
(05:54):
And then I watched Katie for ten years, those young
men take their lives because the system had let him down.
They went to court and that person got off because
there was collusion. That he got off because his defense
said that there was collusion amongst Aboriginal people and therefore
the evidence that's gone to the court was corrupted and tainted.
(06:18):
So that's why I get really cranky when this stuffice
painted out in the media, because I saw it with
my own mob, where fifty young men were sexually assaulted
and then they took their own lights because there was
no support, you know, going through. And I get cranky
when people use you know, and they say, oh, bat
(06:39):
the stolen generation. Let me tell you when you look
at the care and protection of young people, Katie, there
is nothing in that legislation that says that the department
or child protection offices when there is a notification, they
should be doing the assessments based on the risk. And
(07:00):
as there are workers within the Child Protection Department not
you know, assessing that risk appropriately, then that is a
matter for the minister. So the buck stopped with the minister.
So do you always stopped with the minister?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Do you support what we've seen, the action that we've
seen taken by Robin Carl earlier this week. I mean
she'd said to us on the show yesterday that those
three staff were stood down and that you know, she
wants like she's conducting an investigation into the department and
wants to potentially look at some legislative changes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So who's who's conducting the interview, you know, the independent investigation,
because it's really critical not to have government investigate itself, Katie,
with this, and I remember when I was Child Protection
Minister all those years ago, an expert was brought in
(08:03):
from outside of the Northern Territory. But who had the
expertise in? A man named Howard Bath, who looked at
that and at that time when I got child Protection,
there were already five coronials that were on foot for
young people who had been under the care at the
(08:24):
minister and who had passed away. So those coronials were happening,
but the whole system, So you know, I can remember
coming into government in two thousand and one and the
biggest issue that we faced and you know, and I
take my hat off to my former colleague that I
was in Parliament with in terms of Jane Agard who
(08:45):
picked up the Snake Report. And so Snake had done
a report, you know, which was about the highlighting the
neglect that was happening in the Northern Territory and where
there were young average or kids that were dying as
a result of this. Now, the focus for twenty six
(09:06):
years up to two thousand and one had never been
looked at in terms of and we had a very
archaic Welfare Act. So with Jodine Karni who was then
the Opposition leader, I did a lot of work in
reforming you know, the legislation and we put in place
(09:27):
a very you know that the Care and Protection of
young people was a contemporary piece of legislation which looked
at you know the interest of that child. The point
of that legislation was about kids. It wasn't about oh well,
let's wring our hands and let's not do anything because
(09:49):
we're scared of the Solen generation.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Do you reckon, That's what's happened. Do you reckon? Over
the years, Mary, I, we've seen a watering down of
that legislation and that a child's safety look isn't.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, because it's it's if you look at the care
and protection of young people. And I was a bit
of standard at Minister Kale, and I like Robin. You know,
I've always had had conversations with Robin, but I was
a bit surprised, and I was a bit horrified that
she said that there was the absence of reference in
(10:23):
the principles set out in the Northern Territory Child Protection Legislation.
So clearly, by doing that statement, she hasn't read that
piece of legislation and she hasn't looked at it, which
is a worry that she is the minister who's got
carriage of that legislation and what she should be doing
is making sure because molest are needy to step down
(10:46):
those three staff members or to suspend them. I don't
know the circumstances of what happened. There's different stories in
the media, and people need to be really careful because
those staff members and we've seen that where you know,
the police officer with that young fellow that died in
(11:07):
cold So we've just got to be really careful with
what goes, you know, in the media. The minister, the minister,
you know, if this stuff happens, sure, she's ordered an
independent investigation, but she doesn't even understand her legislation case
from a bit of a problem.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
From what she'd said to me yesterday, and I don't
have you know, like I don't have the words in
front of me, But from what she'd said to me yesterday,
there were three people stood down. There was going to
be like an investigation, an independent investigation. They didn't they
hadn't chosen someone yet she wants that to be an
independent person though. And the point that she was making
for me on the show yesterday was that safety wasn't
(11:50):
one of the you know, it wasn't the word that
was mentioned. Look, I'm paraphrasing here, wasn't the word that
was mentioned in part of that you know that act.
I think it is when when they're looking at whether
a child does.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Situation. You know, I'll just quickly read through the responsibility
of the Territory government, the Northern Territory government. Objective number
one in that legislation is the Northern Territory Government has
responsibility for ensuring and promoting and safeguarding the well being
of children and supporting families and fulfilling their roles in
relation to children. Then it goes through the objects and
(12:29):
the first object is to protect children from harm and exploitation, Katie.
And then to make sure that anyone having responsibilities for
children as regards to the objects under the Act fulfilling
those responsibilities appropriately. So the Department should be making sure
(12:50):
that they are managing and looking at the risk when
there is a notification. But you know, Katie, one thing
that we have let slip in this whole thing is
there a mandatory reporting requirements under the legislation. The Northern
Territory leads the way here and we've always led the way,
and full credit to the colp of many years ago.
(13:13):
They were the ones who put mandatory reporting in the
Community Welfare Act and then we transferred that when Jodin
and I did that body of work. We transferred the
mandatory reporting requirements from the old Welfare Act into this
new legislation.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So Mary, I mean when you look at that, when
you look at the work that has happened, when you
look at the fact that that mandatory reporting requirements in place,
I mean, we've spoken to the Police Commissioner and to
the Police Association about this a little bit earlier this morning.
And I don't want to go into specifics of any case,
you know, but and I don't like, I want to
be careful, you know, how we talk about this. But
(13:52):
even with the report that was in the Australian earlier
in the week, you know, there were mandatory reports that
had happened, and and you know there were reportedly a
number of those that had happened, and and they weren't
acted upon. And I guess this goes to the core
of some of the discussion that we're having is you know,
are we in a situation here where there may be
(14:14):
staff within departments that are that are scared to, you know,
to remove a child from a potentially dangerous situation because
they're worried that you know, that they're going to create
a stolen generation, or that that it will be deemed
racist to do so.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'll tell you what's a real issue here in Allah Springs, Katie.
And when I came out with it, both it's enterprise
and members of her coalition government accused and accuse me
of sort bubbles. There is there is a big gap
here in central Australia for safe places for young people
(14:50):
and for children to go to. Now, if you're a
child protection worker and you're facing a situation where there
is a mat rich child and you need to remove
that child, where do you take that child to? And
this is a problem not just for Alice Springs, but
right throughout the Northern territory. You know, we put money
(15:11):
towards prisons and everything else, but we're not putting the
money towards the infrastructure to put you know, to provide
that safe place for young people. And that is a
critical piece of infrastructure that needs to happen in every
region throughout the Northern Territory because how does the child
(15:34):
protection work. And the police are confront they confront this
all the time. If they pick up a young person,
the only place they can take them is back to
that town camp or to that house. They have nowhere
to take these young people too. And if you talk
to young people, which I've done in this town, all
(15:57):
they want to do is feel safe cade and we
can't give them. You know, we need to start being
serious about the issues. And I will be talking to
my colleagues when I go down next week because you know,
if we're going to do justice for this little girl,
but for every child. So I don't care if that
(16:20):
child is Aboriginal, non Aboriginal or whatever. Every child in
the Northern Territory deserves to be safe and protected. And
this government, the government I'm part of the Commonwealth, I
will make sure that we meet our responsible which we have.
And one thing that Jacenter didn't give credit to Malan
(16:41):
Darry McCarthy on is that because of the issues right
across Australia with child protection, our government invested substantial funding
and resources to a National Indigenous Child Commissioner to start
working with those various states and territories, including the Northern Territory,
(17:02):
to fix their child protection systems. And that is really critical, Katie,
because you can't have politicians doing that, you know, but
we can't, and we should be making sure that the
federal government is working with the Northern Territory to put
infrastructure in place so that young people have got somewhere
(17:24):
to go to, and that child protection officers, police officers
when they pick up these young kids, they can take
them somewhere safe. And that's what's not part of this
debate or this discussion, and we need to be having
that and talking about having safe places for young people.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well, Marian Scrimjaw, the federal member fe Lingiari, I always
appreciate your time. Thank you very much for joining us
on the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, thank you very much, Katie, thank you
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The MeatEater Podcast
Building on the belief that a deeper understanding of the natural world enriches all of our lives, host Steven Rinella brings an in-depth and relevant look at all outdoor topics including hunting, fishing, nature, conservation, and wild foods. Filled with humor, irreverence, and things that will surprise the hell out of you, each episode welcomes a diverse group of guests who add their own expertise to the vast world of the outdoors. Part of The MeatEater Podcast Network.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.