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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A real change of pace. We're going to get straight
into it and well, joining me live on the line
this morning from Alice Springs, we have got the Northern
Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole. Good morning to your commissioner.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Commissioner,
I might go first to that shocking incident that we
saw well last week, this thirty eight year old man
arrested and charged after allegedly driving at police in Alice Springs.
I know that officers responded to those reports of a
disturbance on Todd Street. When police say that the man
drove that ute at speed towards the officer on the
(00:41):
road and also at the marked vehicle. The vision was shocking, Commissioner,
and I mean when you look at it, it's really
concerning stuff, really concerning to see the police targeted in
this way. What's the situation a week on, how are
the police going in Alice?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes? Thanks Katie. Look, there is no taking away that
vision was shocking and I got to view that vision
shortly after that incident occurred and made the decision to
come out and make that vision public, so the public
could actually see what our police officers have to deal
with regularly and see what our officers at that time,
(01:19):
I obviously were faced within that decision making. So look,
things have quieted a little bit in Alice Springs since
that incident. There is some still family fighting and conflict
going on, but we've been very firm with these families
involved that you know, this relying on the excuse of
(01:39):
customary law to bring violence and offending in the Alice
Springs will not be tolerated, and if they continue to
do it, we will continue to respond and lock people
up that believe that it's okay to bring criminal behavior
into Alice Springs and unfold that on our streets.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was a big move to release that footage, but
I know that you've just pointed out why to do that.
I mean, I actually I agree with you. I think
it's incredibly important that people actually see some of the
behavior that our Northern Territory police have faced with every
single day.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's right, Katie, that's right. So our police were victims
in that matter, and you know, we wanted to put
that out so the public were aware of, you know,
what they were faced with and the decision making that
they faced. I've spoken to the officer that was involved
in that and that made the decision to discharge his firearm.
He's obviously quite shaken up about the incident, but he's
(02:31):
back at work and he's back performing his duties for us,
and some of the other officers that were involved, including
the officer that was driving the cars on night shift
at the moment. So I haven't had a chance to
catch up with him, but they're all back at work
and they're all performing their duties and protecting the community.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You touched on this just a moment ago, you know,
family feuding, the talk of customary law, things like that.
I mean, are some of the issues being experienced in
Alice Springs at the moment? Are they family disputes? What's
going on and what can be done? I suppose from
the police perspective, to work with elders, to work with
others in the community to try and put a stop
to us.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. Look, thanks, Katie. So these incidents that occurring in
other springs are exactly that. They are family disputes and
they're targeted attacks between people that are known to each other. Now, look,
our police across the Territory do a remarkable job. But
policing in remote and regional communities in the Northern Territory
is really unlike plaicing anywhere else in Australia. So it's
(03:32):
really not just simply about responding to incidents. It's about
building relationships. It's about understanding family structures, kinship systems and
community dynamics, and it's about recognizing that conflict can be layered.
It can be personal, family, cultural, historical, and often all
at once. So policing in our regional areas demand police
(03:54):
officers that can enforce the law firmly while also navigating
that cultural complexity. But I want to be really clear, Katie,
customary law cannot be used as a shield for serious
criminal offending, and we cannot allow and we will not allow,
any framework, whether described as customary or not, to excuse
(04:15):
repeated and serious violent offending.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Are you worried that that's what's happening in the community,
that people are engaging in violent crime and then trying
to sort of, you know, to mask it by saying
that it's customary law.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's exactly what's occurring, and that's exactly what we've addressed
with Senior elders and senior leaders from some of these communities.
But we've made it We've made it very clear if
you fight in our towns otherwise you will be arrested
and we will put extra police where they're needed and
use all the powers available to us to protect the community,
(04:50):
because even though that the community aren't being randomly targeted,
they're being exposed to and having to witness this violence
unfolding on our streets and it won't be toler and
we've made that pretty clear to the communities. Do not
bring your violence into other springs or into Darwin. This
is not mutual territory to sort out scores. People live here,
(05:11):
our kids walk the street. People deserve businesses are trying
to keep their doors open, and people deserve it a
little bit of respect, and sadly that's lacking at the moment, Katie.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Commissioner, do you feel like is there anything additional that
the police need to be doing at this point in
time to try to calm things down or do you
feel as though you've got it under control.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, Katie, We've met with these groups and we've made
it very clear that keep your disputes on communities, resolve
your disputes peacefully without violence in your own communities, and
do not bring them into our major centers. And we've
sent that message, and that message has been pretty evidenced
by other responses that we've had to this violence. We've
(05:52):
responded quickly, We've locked people up, and we told the
family that we will be opposing bail because we don't
believe if these people are back out that they're not
going to continue to offend.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean, what do you make of that discussion
that this person, this alleged defender, allegedly on Dale and
then able to target the police in that way.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's right, Katie. So with the discussions we had
with his family and his elders, they expressed a level
of remorse and shame that they weren't able to control
his behavior, and they said to us, we don't want
him bowed back to the community. We can't control him.
They gave us certain lists of people that they wanted
us to look at. They wanted us to place on
(06:32):
the band drinkers register. They said, these people shouldn't have
access to alcohol because we're not convinced that they're going
to use it responsibly. So a lot of those elders
that came in and talked to us at the police
station this week. You know, I have expressed exasperation about
the situation, and they encouraged the police to be strong
(06:53):
and be firm in responding to these incidents and make
sure that these people were dealt with, and we certainly
expressed that we will be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Good on them. I think that it's good that they've
spoken with the police and talked about some of those solutions. Commission,
I do want to ask you about some of the
issues that are being experienced in Catherine around crime. Yesterday
we spoke to a restaurant owner who's had to temporarily
close up as staff are really pretty concerned for their
safety after their chef was robbed at knife point. Has
(07:22):
there been a bit of an uptick in Catherine around
youth crime.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Katie, there has, yes, Look, there is no escaping. There
has been some very visible and alarming offenses that have
occurred in Catherine. I've spoken to the management team at
Catherine last week and pleasingly, we responded quite swiftly and
we've taken some people in custody in relation to those incidents.
And whilst things were generally looking a little bit better
(07:50):
in Catherine. It's not lost on me that the levels
are still high. So I think the message that when
we put out and say look, our crime stats have
turned the corner and we're looking better, we haven't solved
the problem. Katie. We're not saying that everything's fixed and
that everyone should celebrate. What we're saying is that we've
done an incredible amount of work across the Northern Territory
(08:12):
to bring these crime stats down, but they're still high
and has not lost on us that we've still got
a lot of work to do and we're still going
to continue that effort and respond swiftly. So those incidents
that occurred in Catherine last week, we identified offenders really
quickly and we've taken people in custody in relation to
those and particularly within twenty four hours, we had a
nineteen year old male that was arrested and he's been
(08:34):
charged with a number of serious offenses in relation to
that crime series that we saw last week in Catherine.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Now, just in relation to Catherine as well, we had
the mayor on a little bit earlier this week. They're
keen to hold a round table to try and work
on some community led solutions when it comes to crime.
Is that something that you or you know any of
your executive would be keen to attend.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Katie. We're always willing to work with the
community in any forums that we can. You know, police
obviously front and foremost a lot of this violence and
we've got a lot of knowledge about some of the
drivers behind that. We're always interested in alternative justice arrangements
and where we often work across the community in the
(09:19):
regional centers as well to give suggestions from a policing
perspective and other things that can assist us to do
our job more effectively as well.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Commissioner had a listener who got in contact me with
me who lives in Nightcliff. Now their street was last
week targeted by youths who broke into the neighbors home
attempting to steal an older model Toyota. Then later in
the day that team was arrested. But the listener wants
to know are youths targeting older model cars like the Toyota,
highlus and cruisers the older ones and are they taking
(09:49):
them to drive back to the community. What work are
the police doing to sort this out? But also what
can listeners do to protect themselves and their cars.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, thanks, Katie, that's a good question. So there is
no doubt that some of the older model cars and
particularly towards, are a favorite to some of our youths
that like to target vehicles, and we'd encourage everybody to
take steps to isolate that vehicle and make it as
difficult as possible. So steering locks and things obviously have
(10:19):
a high degree of success in protecting your vehicle. But yes,
definitely older model vehicles are targets for youth because they
seem to be a little bit easier for to steal
on hot wire. But the other thing, Katie, a lot
of the vehicles that we see stolen as a result
of people accessing houses and getting the keys, So we
would encourage people not to leave their keys out in
(10:42):
open and look, nobody should be entering your house without
permissions and unwauful entry and property crimes are some of
the most significant things that impact people because it's in
your personal space and it's your personal property. And that's
not lost on us because people are severely impacted when
that happens. But there's some there's some things you can
do to protect yourself as well by keeping your doors locked,
(11:04):
not leaving your windows open, making sure your keys aren't
easily accessible, and there's some things that you can do
to make yourself less of a target. But yes, if
you do have an older vehicle, it is more likely
to be targeted.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's a pretty bloody ordinary situation, isn't it. Where you're
having to get a steering lock or having to get
you know, to take these different measures in order for
somebody to not flog your car.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's totally it's not acceptable, Ki, but there are things
that we can do to make sure that it's a
little bit more difficult, and we'll continue to target these
offenders that behave in this and will continue to make
sure that they're put away and that they're before the
court as a result of the consequences. And look, it
is still occurring, but there has been a downturn in
property crime, there's been a downturn in unloafle entries, and
(11:50):
whilst it's some of the most impactful offending on people,
it's becoming less. So we're going to continue to target
the people that are doing that and hopefully drive those
statistics way further down.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Commissioner A quick one I caught up with the commander
in the Whatever region last week and he told us
that there'd been more than ninety arrests. What kind of
impact has that had on the community sort of a week.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On, Yeah, a significant impact, Katie. So that's exactly right.
There's been ninety three rests in what I as a
result of that violent conflict that was occurring throughout January
and February, and there's been an additional ten arrest in
relation to unrelated matters where people had warrants for non
appearance in court. So over one hundred people have been
(12:38):
locked up and a large amount of those have been
reminded in custody. That's given the officers at what I
a little bit of a circuit breaker to be able
to go out and try and negotiate with the community
some resolution to this ongoing conflict. And like I said
at the beginning of this interview, it's the same situation
out there as we're seeing across the territory is using
(13:01):
cultural culture as an excuse for violent conduct, and we're
clearly sending that message even on community to people that
customery law cannot be used as a shield for serious
criminal offending. I can't be clear on that it is
not an excuse to continue to go out and commit
violence against each other in the name of customary law.
(13:21):
It's an excuse and it won't be tolerated.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I completely agree with you. I think that you know
that the wider community will not tolerate that either. But
are you worried that you're going to have you know,
some in the community claim that that you're you know,
that it's that it's racist for you not to sort of,
you know, to treat it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, I don't think so, Katie. So look, I've worked
in the territory. I've been here my entire life, and
it's my experience that customery law is not a single
uniform concept across the Northern Territory. It varies greatly from
community community. It can be controlled, it can be peaceful,
and what may be accepted practice in one region might
not be accepted practice in a another region. And I
(14:01):
spoke at the Law and Justice conference last week where
some community justice groups came together and they had members
of the judiciary there speaking to them. We had community
courts they're represented, and they were working through frameworks to
work out, you know, what are some alternative options on
community to have some conflict resolution that didn't involve ongoing violence.
(14:24):
So there is there is some incredible work being done
on the communities. But I think the message from US
is clear is we will enforce the law. Custom can't
be used as an excuse to make women and children
in the general public at risk, and we won't tolerate it.
And we've got a role and responsibility to keep people
safe and that includes keeping community safe. And we will
(14:46):
not tolerate any excuse, whether it's chieldren in customary law
or not, that doesn't make community safe. And I'm not
going to shy away from that, Katie Well.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Northern Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole, we are going to
have to leave it there. I really appreciate you having
a chat with us today.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thanks for your tom Katie, thank you, thanks so much,
A real change of pace. We're going to get straight
into it and well, joining me live on the line
this morning from Alice Springs, we have got the Northern
Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole. Good morning to your commissioner.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Commissioner,
I might go first to that shocking incident that we
saw well last week, this thirty eight year old man
arrested and charged after allegedly driving at police in Alice Springs.
I know that officers responded to those reports of a
disturbance on Todd Street. When police say that the man
drove that ute at speed towards the officer on the
(00:41):
road and also at the marked vehicle. The vision was shocking, Commissioner,
and I mean when you look at it, it's really
concerning stuff, really concerning to see the police targeted in
this way. What's the situation a week on, how are
the police going in Alice?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes? Thanks Katie. Look, there is no taking away that
vision was shocking and I got to view that vision
shortly after that incident occurred and made the decision to
come out and make that vision public, so the public
could actually see what our police officers have to deal
with regularly and see what our officers at that time,
(01:19):
I obviously were faced within that decision making. So look,
things have quieted a little bit in Alice Springs since
that incident. There is some still family fighting and conflict
going on, but we've been very firm with these families
involved that you know, this relying on the excuse of
(01:39):
customary law to bring violence and offending in the Alice
Springs will not be tolerated, and if they continue to
do it, we will continue to respond and lock people
up that believe that it's okay to bring criminal behavior
into Alice Springs and unfold that on our streets.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was a big move to release that footage, but
I know that you've just pointed out why to do that.
I mean, I actually I agree with you. I think
it's incredibly important that people actually see some of the
behavior that our Northern Territory police have faced with every
single day.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's right, Katie, that's right. So our police were victims
in that matter, and you know, we wanted to put
that out so the public were aware of, you know,
what they were faced with and the decision making that
they faced. I've spoken to the officer that was involved
in that and that made the decision to discharge his firearm.
He's obviously quite shaken up about the incident, but he's
(02:31):
back at work and he's back performing his duties for us,
and some of the other officers that were involved, including
the officer that was driving the cars on night shift
at the moment. So I haven't had a chance to
catch up with him, but they're all back at work
and they're all performing their duties and protecting the community.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You touched on this just a moment ago, you know,
family feuding, the talk of customary law, things like that.
I mean, are some of the issues being experienced in
Alice Springs at the moment? Are they family disputes? What's
going on and what can be done? I suppose from
the police perspective, to work with elders, to work with
others in the community to try and put a stop
to us.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. Look, thanks, Katie. So these incidents that occurring in
other springs are exactly that. They are family disputes and
they're targeted attacks between people that are known to each other. Now, look,
our police across the Territory do a remarkable job. But
policing in remote and regional communities in the Northern Territory
is really unlike plaicing anywhere else in Australia. So it's
(03:32):
really not just simply about responding to incidents. It's about
building relationships. It's about understanding family structures, kinship systems and
community dynamics, and it's about recognizing that conflict can be layered.
It can be personal, family, cultural, historical, and often all
at once. So policing in our regional areas demand police
(03:54):
officers that can enforce the law firmly while also navigating
that cultural complexity. But I want to be really clear, Katie,
customary law cannot be used as a shield for serious
criminal offending, and we cannot allow and we will not allow,
any framework, whether described as customary or not, to excuse
(04:15):
repeated and serious violent offending.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Are you worried that that's what's happening in the community,
that people are engaging in violent crime and then trying
to sort of, you know, to mask it by saying
that it's customary law.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's exactly what's occurring, and that's exactly what we've addressed
with Senior elders and senior leaders from some of these communities.
But we've made it We've made it very clear if
you fight in our towns otherwise you will be arrested
and we will put extra police where they're needed and
use all the powers available to us to protect the community,
(04:50):
because even though that the community aren't being randomly targeted,
they're being exposed to and having to witness this violence
unfolding on our streets and it won't be toler and
we've made that pretty clear to the communities. Do not
bring your violence into other springs or into Darwin. This
is not mutual territory to sort out scores. People live here,
(05:11):
our kids walk the street. People deserve businesses are trying
to keep their doors open, and people deserve it a
little bit of respect, and sadly that's lacking at the moment, Katie.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Commissioner, do you feel like is there anything additional that
the police need to be doing at this point in
time to try to calm things down or do you
feel as though you've got it under control.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, Katie, We've met with these groups and we've made
it very clear that keep your disputes on communities, resolve
your disputes peacefully without violence in your own communities, and
do not bring them into our major centers. And we've
sent that message, and that message has been pretty evidenced
by other responses that we've had to this violence. We've
(05:52):
responded quickly, We've locked people up, and we told the
family that we will be opposing bail because we don't
believe if these people are back out that they're not
going to continue to offend.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean, what do you make of that discussion
that this person, this alleged defender, allegedly on Dale and
then able to target the police in that way.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's right, Katie. So with the discussions we had
with his family and his elders, they expressed a level
of remorse and shame that they weren't able to control
his behavior, and they said to us, we don't want
him bowed back to the community. We can't control him.
They gave us certain lists of people that they wanted
us to look at. They wanted us to place on
(06:32):
the band drinkers register. They said, these people shouldn't have
access to alcohol because we're not convinced that they're going
to use it responsibly. So a lot of those elders
that came in and talked to us at the police
station this week. You know, I have expressed exasperation about
the situation, and they encouraged the police to be strong
(06:53):
and be firm in responding to these incidents and make
sure that these people were dealt with, and we certainly
expressed that we will be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Good on them. I think that it's good that they've
spoken with the police and talked about some of those solutions. Commission,
I do want to ask you about some of the
issues that are being experienced in Catherine around crime. Yesterday
we spoke to a restaurant owner who's had to temporarily
close up as staff are really pretty concerned for their
safety after their chef was robbed at knife point. Has
(07:22):
there been a bit of an uptick in Catherine around
youth crime.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Katie, there has, yes, Look, there is no escaping. There
has been some very visible and alarming offenses that have
occurred in Catherine. I've spoken to the management team at
Catherine last week and pleasingly, we responded quite swiftly and
we've taken some people in custody in relation to those incidents.
And whilst things were generally looking a little bit better
(07:50):
in Catherine. It's not lost on me that the levels
are still high. So I think the message that when
we put out and say look, our crime stats have
turned the corner and we're looking better, we haven't solved
the problem. Katie. We're not saying that everything's fixed and
that everyone should celebrate. What we're saying is that we've
done an incredible amount of work across the Northern Territory
(08:12):
to bring these crime stats down, but they're still high
and has not lost on us that we've still got
a lot of work to do and we're still going
to continue that effort and respond swiftly. So those incidents
that occurred in Catherine last week, we identified offenders really
quickly and we've taken people in custody in relation to
those and particularly within twenty four hours, we had a
nineteen year old male that was arrested and he's been
(08:34):
charged with a number of serious offenses in relation to
that crime series that we saw last week in Catherine.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Now, just in relation to Catherine as well, we had
the mayor on a little bit earlier this week. They're
keen to hold a round table to try and work
on some community led solutions when it comes to crime.
Is that something that you or you know any of
your executive would be keen to attend.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Katie. We're always willing to work with the
community in any forums that we can. You know, police
obviously front and foremost a lot of this violence and
we've got a lot of knowledge about some of the
drivers behind that. We're always interested in alternative justice arrangements
and where we often work across the community in the
(09:19):
regional centers as well to give suggestions from a policing
perspective and other things that can assist us to do
our job more effectively as well.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Commissioner had a listener who got in contact me with
me who lives in Nightcliff. Now their street was last
week targeted by youths who broke into the neighbors home
attempting to steal an older model Toyota. Then later in
the day that team was arrested. But the listener wants
to know are youths targeting older model cars like the Toyota,
highlus and cruisers the older ones and are they taking
(09:49):
them to drive back to the community. What work are
the police doing to sort this out? But also what
can listeners do to protect themselves and their cars.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, thanks, Katie, that's a good question. So there is
no doubt that some of the older model cars and
particularly towards, are a favorite to some of our youths
that like to target vehicles, and we'd encourage everybody to
take steps to isolate that vehicle and make it as
difficult as possible. So steering locks and things obviously have
(10:19):
a high degree of success in protecting your vehicle. But yes,
definitely older model vehicles are targets for youth because they
seem to be a little bit easier for to steal
on hot wire. But the other thing, Katie, a lot
of the vehicles that we see stolen as a result
of people accessing houses and getting the keys, So we
would encourage people not to leave their keys out in
(10:42):
open and look, nobody should be entering your house without
permissions and unwauful entry and property crimes are some of
the most significant things that impact people because it's in
your personal space and it's your personal property. And that's
not lost on us because people are severely impacted when
that happens. But there's some there's some things you can
do to protect yourself as well by keeping your doors locked,
(11:04):
not leaving your windows open, making sure your keys aren't
easily accessible, and there's some things that you can do
to make yourself less of a target. But yes, if
you do have an older vehicle, it is more likely
to be targeted.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's a pretty bloody ordinary situation, isn't it. Where you're
having to get a steering lock or having to get
you know, to take these different measures in order for
somebody to not flog your car.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's totally it's not acceptable, Ki, but there are things
that we can do to make sure that it's a
little bit more difficult, and we'll continue to target these
offenders that behave in this and will continue to make
sure that they're put away and that they're before the
court as a result of the consequences. And look, it
is still occurring, but there has been a downturn in
property crime, there's been a downturn in unloafle entries, and
(11:50):
whilst it's some of the most impactful offending on people,
it's becoming less. So we're going to continue to target
the people that are doing that and hopefully drive those
statistics way further down.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Commissioner A quick one I caught up with the commander
in the Whatever region last week and he told us
that there'd been more than ninety arrests. What kind of
impact has that had on the community sort of a week.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On, Yeah, a significant impact, Katie. So that's exactly right.
There's been ninety three rests in what I as a
result of that violent conflict that was occurring throughout January
and February, and there's been an additional ten arrest in
relation to unrelated matters where people had warrants for non
appearance in court. So over one hundred people have been
(12:38):
locked up and a large amount of those have been
reminded in custody. That's given the officers at what I
a little bit of a circuit breaker to be able
to go out and try and negotiate with the community
some resolution to this ongoing conflict. And like I said
at the beginning of this interview, it's the same situation
out there as we're seeing across the territory is using
(13:01):
cultural culture as an excuse for violent conduct, and we're
clearly sending that message even on community to people that
customery law cannot be used as a shield for serious
criminal offending. I can't be clear on that it is
not an excuse to continue to go out and commit
violence against each other in the name of customary law.
(13:21):
It's an excuse and it won't be tolerated.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I completely agree with you. I think that you know
that the wider community will not tolerate that either. But
are you worried that you're going to have you know,
some in the community claim that that you're you know,
that it's that it's racist for you not to sort of,
you know, to treat it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, I don't think so, Katie. So look, I've worked
in the territory. I've been here my entire life, and
it's my experience that customery law is not a single
uniform concept across the Northern Territory. It varies greatly from
community community. It can be controlled, it can be peaceful,
and what may be accepted practice in one region might
not be accepted practice in a another region. And I
(14:01):
spoke at the Law and Justice conference last week where
some community justice groups came together and they had members
of the judiciary there speaking to them. We had community
courts they're represented, and they were working through frameworks to
work out, you know, what are some alternative options on
community to have some conflict resolution that didn't involve ongoing violence.
(14:24):
So there is there is some incredible work being done
on the communities. But I think the message from US
is clear is we will enforce the law. Custom can't
be used as an excuse to make women and children
in the general public at risk, and we won't tolerate it.
And we've got a role and responsibility to keep people
safe and that includes keeping community safe. And we will
(14:46):
not tolerate any excuse, whether it's chieldren in customary law
or not, that doesn't make community safe. And I'm not
going to shy away from that, Katie Well.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Northern Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole, we are going to
have to leave it there. I really appreciate you having
a chat with us today.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thanks for your tom Katie, thank you, thanks so much,
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