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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, well, we know that the Chief Minister and the
Treasurer have been the ones in the estimate's hot seat
in the past couple of days under immense, well and
intense I would say scrutiny, as it always is when
estimates are underway, the Opposition and the crossbenches asking plenty
of questions and Jered Mayley and Jinsen Charles's portfolios under
(00:20):
the microscope today. But joining us in the studio is
Opposition member Chancey Pay Good morning to you, Chancey.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hey Katie, and a shout out to the listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Good to have you in the studio now. It's been
a busy couple of days. It always is when estimates
is on. Tell me the Treasurer faced estimates yesterday. What
was the main takeaways for the Labor Party? What did
you guys get from us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Look, it's bill was up yesterday. Billy Anne as a
Treasurer and he's probably the only honest person in the
government at the moment. He was a fairly fairly frank
and fairly frank and honest, you know, leaned in and
said we used to criticize you guys, and we're in
this hot seat now and we're delayed on projects, we're
behind on projects, we haven't started projects, and we can't
(01:00):
tell you what the budget is on some of these projects.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Is it paraphrasing him there? Check?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Look, I think if you jump on and have a
look at the estimates, you can certainly see what was
going on there. Yesterday, you know, Bill spoke obviously about
the territory's finances, certainly about housing construction, and it was
really interesting to see and hear they're just how they've
really dropped off across the region.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, tell us a bit about that.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, So obviously, you know, the government has spruped their
housing construction and you know, yesterday the Treasurer, Bill Yan
was talking and he went into detail to talk about
and admitted that, you know, their home home grants are
falling in the regions, with just four taken up across
Alice Springs, Tenant Creek and Catherine. So when we asked
(01:45):
why that had stalled, you know, Bill being honest, said
he had no answers basically, so he couldn't answer that question.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Do you reckon they might have stalled because the cost
to build is quite high at the moment, and like
with some of the uncertainty that we've sort of seen
around the world and the transport costs.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think it's an interesting kind of area. I mean, look,
we do have a cost of living that is impacting
on territories. But you know, we've got a lot of
amazing builders across the territory who are out doing building
projects around the territory and that does put some pressure
on that. But yeah, it's looking at what is it
currently the cost to build a house.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Do you reckon that the grant needs to change slightly
or do you think that there needs to be some
mortification or something to maybe see that take up, you know,
pushed up again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I think we do need to have a look
at the grant and the application. I mean, Katie, I
live in Alae Springs. If you want to build a
brand new house in Alice Springs, there's only one place
you can build a brand new house.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Releases.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So it's about land release, and you know, it's about
having a conversation around where future land release is, what
it looks like, and then I think, you know, how
can we make it better? So I think, you know,
the government have an opportunity here to listen to territories
and to make those grants more appealing, to get more
people into the market, because whether it's a new home
or an existing home, we want Territorians to own their
(03:02):
own peace of the territory.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hey, we've heard that the state of the Stuart Highway
is a real concern at the moment and it's going
to need hundreds of millions of dollars in investment. What
was the minister's response to that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Look, it was a bit of a long winded question,
you know, a typical question from a minister. But look,
I mean I've just driven the Stuart Highway, Katie, and
I mean I've got a prado. I thought I was
on a bush road. That's how rough it is. There's
sections of the highway that basically don't exist anymore. It's
just dirt. So it is a real concern. This is
a national highway. So you know, we would expect that
(03:36):
the government really get on cracking with getting that work
done because we are heading into tourists season and we
want people to come here and have a great experience,
not blow a tie or wreck their car.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well or crash. You know, we certainly don't want them
to be in a really dangerous situation were there's certain
areas of the Stuart Highway that you reckon. Other the
biggest concern at the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Moment, Look, I reckon probably the other side of Madaaranka,
so closer to my home in Alice to Catherine is
probably the worst part of the Stuart Highway that I've
come into contact with. There's at least two sections there
where there is virtually no bitumen you know, for probably
a meter or two and you know, people doing high
(04:18):
speeds and hitting that you know, could cause a serious accident.
So you know, the government need to get serious about
cracking on and getting contractors out there immediately.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess you know, we all understand that we've had
a massive wit season and that no doubt there's like
a lot of work in a lot of different areas
that need to be done, needs to be done, But
that's Stuart Highway. I mean, like you've touched on there.
It is an area where we're going to see a
huge number of tourists hopefully you know, throughout the dry season.
So I think that you're not able to be expedited.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
People will tell us since the wet season this stuff happens.
I call bullshit on that. This is a national highway.
You know, we've got other states and territories that get
just as much rain as us far North Queensland. They're
not having these issues with the roads.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Do we get enough money from the feeds for these rights?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, you know we asked Billy and yesterday and estimates
around that. Again, got a bit of a long winded
answer around you know, the roads funding and getting road
crews out there. But you know, this again is a
national highway and the government have a duty of care
to all of us as territorians to make it safe
and they need to crack on. If they need to
go and have that argument later with the Commonwealth about money,
(05:21):
go and do it. Well you reckon, just sayeties first.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And ask for the money after Chancey, isn't that how
we ended up in the mess we were under label
with not having very good no the finances.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You do raise a good point, but this is a
road that has to be fixed. This is a road
that if tourist buses you know, cause accidents or territorians
lose their lives. I mean, this road has to be fixed.
It's not a project that the government can delay. And
eighty percent of the Territory's road funding is normally Commonwealth
funding and the territory chips in twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Hey, I want to ask you. We know that the
government was also spooking cost of living relief in relation
to third party insurance. But when the Treasurer was confronted
with questions about utility increases, what was the response?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh, look, he got a bit hot there. I think
we hit a touchy subject. You know, we're hearing and
seeing now that power prices potentially will increase under this government.
You know, they talk a lot about these cost of
living measures, but they pick and choose what they will
announce and how they can make it look good. But
we are seeing that there will be increased costs across
(06:27):
other areas and that's our job as the opposition, and
we've been doing it this week to ask those questions
in highlight those areas. I mean, another one of those, Katie,
which we spoke about yesterday was fuel. Now there is
the fuel excise in place at the moment, but the
Treasurer was silent and crickets yesterday when asked what happens
when that ends? Because what happens when that ends? Katie?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, good body question prices go up, but that was
the federal government obviously that had that fuel excise and
so do we really need to be looking to them
to extend it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, we look to our government in the territory for
you know, leadership and advocacy on a national stage and
what conversations are they having with the federal government around that,
you know? I mean we had to push the government
to bring in the measures now around fuel and making
sure that retailers are not taking the piss from everyday
(07:19):
territorians to make sure that that's cheap.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And just on that, we know that the Anti Consumer
Affairs Commissioner has issued two infringement notices valued at eighteen
nine hundred and fifty eight dollars each after two national
chain out lets in Darwin and Behremer and Palmerston advertised
prices which were lower than the prices which were charged
at the Bowser. I mean, what's your take on that?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's good? I think it's good. If you're doing the
wrong thing and you're ripping off hard working territorians, there's
a consequence, do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It shows that those regulations are working.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It does, and that's why we called on the COLP
to bring back those regulations, the fuel you know, exploitation bill.
You know, they sat on their hands for a few
weeks after we called on them to do it, and
then listen to common sense and did it. I mean,
if you're charging more than you're supposed to, there should
be a consequence, and that's what we're seeing here. It's
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, chancey Peke, we better let you get back into
two estimates. Thank you for your time, Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm looking forward to it. I'm on this afternoon, so
I'm hoping I can bring.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
A bit Who are you questioning this?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, I'm going to be on with the Deputy Chief Minister,
so I'll make my debut today and then i'll be
on next week. So look, it has been a little
bit tame for my liking in estimates. I like a
bit of a.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I reckon it has been a little bit. I
know the oppositions ask some good questions, but you know,
I yet to land some real blows.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Look, I'm looking forward to getting on there. I did
you know, go back to the days when me and
Robzo were you know, they're arguing with each other. So yeah,
you know, like it's good to see her back in
there yesterday asking some questions. So yeah, look, I'm looking
forward to getting in there and you know, seeing what
spice I can bring in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I'm looking forward to it as well. It's yeah,
because it's been it has It's been a bit tame,
I've got to tell you. It's not like the days
when Joe Hersey and Evil Aula were absolutely going each
other under the last government.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh you know, it's estimates, right. We've got to get
in there. We've got to ask the hard questions, but
we've got to have a bit of spice as well.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, you have to. We'll chancey good to catch up
with you. We'll catch you next Friday for the week
that was now mate, thank you, thanks so much.
Now, well, we know that the Chief Minister and the
Treasurer have been the ones in the estimate's hot seat
in the past couple of days under immense, well and
intense I would say scrutiny, as it always is when
estimates are underway, the Opposition and the crossbenches asking plenty
of questions and Jered Mayley and Jinsen Charles's portfolios under
(00:20):
the microscope today. But joining us in the studio is
Opposition member Chancey Pay Good morning to you, Chancey.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hey Katie, and a shout out to the listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Good to have you in the studio now. It's been
a busy couple of days. It always is when estimates
is on. Tell me the Treasurer faced estimates yesterday. What
was the main takeaways for the Labor Party? What did
you guys get from us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Look, it's bill was up yesterday. Billy Anne as a
Treasurer and he's probably the only honest person in the
government at the moment. He was a fairly fairly frank
and fairly frank and honest, you know, leaned in and
said we used to criticize you guys, and we're in
this hot seat now and we're delayed on projects, we're
behind on projects, we haven't started projects, and we can't
(01:00):
tell you what the budget is on some of these projects.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Is it paraphrasing him there? Check?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Look, I think if you jump on and have a
look at the estimates, you can certainly see what was
going on there. Yesterday, you know, Bill spoke obviously about
the territory's finances, certainly about housing construction, and it was
really interesting to see and hear they're just how they've
really dropped off across the region.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, tell us a bit about that.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, So obviously, you know, the government has spruped their
housing construction and you know, yesterday the Treasurer, Bill Yan
was talking and he went into detail to talk about
and admitted that, you know, their home home grants are
falling in the regions, with just four taken up across
Alice Springs, Tenant Creek and Catherine. So when we asked
(01:45):
why that had stalled, you know, Bill being honest, said
he had no answers basically, so he couldn't answer that question.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Do you reckon they might have stalled because the cost
to build is quite high at the moment, and like
with some of the uncertainty that we've sort of seen
around the world and the transport costs.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think it's an interesting kind of area. I mean, look,
we do have a cost of living that is impacting
on territories. But you know, we've got a lot of
amazing builders across the territory who are out doing building
projects around the territory and that does put some pressure
on that. But yeah, it's looking at what is it
currently the cost to build a house.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Do you reckon that the grant needs to change slightly
or do you think that there needs to be some
mortification or something to maybe see that take up, you know,
pushed up again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I think we do need to have a look
at the grant and the application. I mean, Katie, I
live in Alae Springs. If you want to build a
brand new house in Alice Springs, there's only one place
you can build a brand new house.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Releases.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So it's about land release, and you know, it's about
having a conversation around where future land release is, what
it looks like, and then I think, you know, how
can we make it better? So I think, you know,
the government have an opportunity here to listen to territories
and to make those grants more appealing, to get more
people into the market, because whether it's a new home
or an existing home, we want Territorians to own their
(03:02):
own peace of the territory.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hey, we've heard that the state of the Stuart Highway
is a real concern at the moment and it's going
to need hundreds of millions of dollars in investment. What
was the minister's response to that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Look, it was a bit of a long winded question,
you know, a typical question from a minister. But look,
I mean I've just driven the Stuart Highway, Katie, and
I mean I've got a prado. I thought I was
on a bush road. That's how rough it is. There's
sections of the highway that basically don't exist anymore. It's
just dirt. So it is a real concern. This is
a national highway. So you know, we would expect that
(03:36):
the government really get on cracking with getting that work
done because we are heading into tourists season and we
want people to come here and have a great experience,
not blow a tie or wreck their car.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well or crash. You know, we certainly don't want them
to be in a really dangerous situation were there's certain
areas of the Stuart Highway that you reckon. Other the
biggest concern at the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Moment, Look, I reckon probably the other side of Madaaranka,
so closer to my home in Alice to Catherine is
probably the worst part of the Stuart Highway that I've
come into contact with. There's at least two sections there
where there is virtually no bitumen you know, for probably
a meter or two and you know, people doing high
(04:18):
speeds and hitting that you know, could cause a serious accident.
So you know, the government need to get serious about
cracking on and getting contractors out there immediately.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess you know, we all understand that we've had
a massive wit season and that no doubt there's like
a lot of work in a lot of different areas
that need to be done, needs to be done, But
that's Stuart Highway. I mean, like you've touched on there.
It is an area where we're going to see a
huge number of tourists hopefully you know, throughout the dry season.
So I think that you're not able to be expedited.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
People will tell us since the wet season this stuff happens.
I call bullshit on that. This is a national highway.
You know, we've got other states and territories that get
just as much rain as us far North Queensland. They're
not having these issues with the roads.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Do we get enough money from the feeds for these rights?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, you know we asked Billy and yesterday and estimates
around that. Again, got a bit of a long winded
answer around you know, the roads funding and getting road
crews out there. But you know, this again is a
national highway and the government have a duty of care
to all of us as territorians to make it safe
and they need to crack on. If they need to
go and have that argument later with the Commonwealth about money,
(05:21):
go and do it. Well you reckon, just sayeties first.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And ask for the money after Chancey, isn't that how
we ended up in the mess we were under label
with not having very good no the finances.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You do raise a good point, but this is a
road that has to be fixed. This is a road
that if tourist buses you know, cause accidents or territorians
lose their lives. I mean, this road has to be fixed.
It's not a project that the government can delay. And
eighty percent of the Territory's road funding is normally Commonwealth
funding and the territory chips in twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Hey, I want to ask you. We know that the
government was also spooking cost of living relief in relation
to third party insurance. But when the Treasurer was confronted
with questions about utility increases, what was the response?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh, look, he got a bit hot there. I think
we hit a touchy subject. You know, we're hearing and
seeing now that power prices potentially will increase under this government.
You know, they talk a lot about these cost of
living measures, but they pick and choose what they will
announce and how they can make it look good. But
we are seeing that there will be increased costs across
(06:27):
other areas and that's our job as the opposition, and
we've been doing it this week to ask those questions
in highlight those areas. I mean, another one of those, Katie,
which we spoke about yesterday was fuel. Now there is
the fuel excise in place at the moment, but the
Treasurer was silent and crickets yesterday when asked what happens
when that ends? Because what happens when that ends? Katie?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, good body question prices go up, but that was
the federal government obviously that had that fuel excise and
so do we really need to be looking to them
to extend it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, we look to our government in the territory for
you know, leadership and advocacy on a national stage and
what conversations are they having with the federal government around that,
you know? I mean we had to push the government
to bring in the measures now around fuel and making
sure that retailers are not taking the piss from everyday
(07:19):
territorians to make sure that that's cheap.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And just on that, we know that the Anti Consumer
Affairs Commissioner has issued two infringement notices valued at eighteen
nine hundred and fifty eight dollars each after two national
chain out lets in Darwin and Behremer and Palmerston advertised
prices which were lower than the prices which were charged
at the Bowser. I mean, what's your take on that?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's good? I think it's good. If you're doing the
wrong thing and you're ripping off hard working territorians, there's
a consequence, do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It shows that those regulations are working.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It does, and that's why we called on the COLP
to bring back those regulations, the fuel you know, exploitation bill.
You know, they sat on their hands for a few
weeks after we called on them to do it, and
then listen to common sense and did it. I mean,
if you're charging more than you're supposed to, there should
be a consequence, and that's what we're seeing here. It's
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, chancey Peke, we better let you get back into
two estimates. Thank you for your time, Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm looking forward to it. I'm on this afternoon, so
I'm hoping I can bring.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
A bit Who are you questioning this?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, I'm going to be on with the Deputy Chief Minister,
so I'll make my debut today and then i'll be
on next week. So look, it has been a little
bit tame for my liking in estimates. I like a
bit of a.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I reckon it has been a little bit. I
know the oppositions ask some good questions, but you know,
I yet to land some real blows.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Look, I'm looking forward to getting on there. I did
you know, go back to the days when me and
Robzo were you know, they're arguing with each other. So yeah,
you know, like it's good to see her back in
there yesterday asking some questions. So yeah, look, I'm looking
forward to getting in there and you know, seeing what
spice I can bring in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I'm looking forward to it as well. It's yeah,
because it's been it has It's been a bit tame,
I've got to tell you. It's not like the days
when Joe Hersey and Evil Aula were absolutely going each
other under the last government.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh you know, it's estimates, right. We've got to get
in there. We've got to ask the hard questions, but
we've got to have a bit of spice as well.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, you have to. We'll chancey good to catch up
with you. We'll catch you next Friday for the week
that was now mate, thank you, thanks so much.
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