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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's safe to say that the Northern Territory community has
been absolutely heartbroken by the events that had unfolded in
Nightcliff last week and the loss of Linford Fike. Now
a little bit earlier this morning, I received an email
from Auntie Billa Warrelay doctor Bill Worrelay Now she joins
(00:20):
me on the line. She is a senior Larakia elder.
She's a Larakia academic in residence. Good morning, Auntie B.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning Katie, Auntie B.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I felt really emotional when I read the email that
you sent through a little bit earlier this morning, and
there's a lot of it that made me feel emotional.
But you know you had said that you in your
years here, that you've never been scared to live on
(00:55):
your traditional land. I mean reading that out brought me
to tears, to be honest with you, Auntie B.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, my children wanted me to leave Dolma, but I've
listen my home. I want to be here with the community,
to make it a better place for people to live here.
Raise the family's here or visits. You know, it's a
beaut of place.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It is. Auntie B. How did you feel when you
heard what had happened last week in Nightcliff.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was so shocked because there's my local shop. I
go there all the time. I live with lud Miller.
It's just as down road. I love the workers of
the staff, a lot of the products they have, so
(01:54):
I was there pretty several times a week and for
that to have it's affected me deeply. I was going
to go into the shop the second time on the
day the second time they was people tried to rob it,
and I was going to go and put a card
(02:16):
to the counter. Im I'm glad I've didn't going because
I could have got hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's exactly right. I mean, Auntie b. I mean, you've
been here your whole life, yeah, seventy five years. You
are a senior Larakire elder. You know you deliver welcome
to countries, which you know they make the hairs on
(02:46):
my arms race they give me goose stumps. You know.
I've sat with you on so many occasions at different
events where we've both been working, and you know, for
you to say that you feel scared to live on
your traditional land is a horrifying thought. But you've given
(03:07):
some suggestions of what you think the Northern Territory government
could be doing at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, I think, Katie, I've been suggesting this for years,
twenty seven years, effort to spend the money all the
time ago to build these maybe three the cross of
territory rob commendencies. I could see worth coming that would
(03:36):
save so much money and maybe out of it trained
our own people to run those boot camps. But they
didn't listen. I was ignored. So both sides of Parmit
(03:56):
I talked to on many occasions, but you took me
out well.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Auntie B. I think the suggestion that you're making is
you know, is a very good one. I know Jerry
would message through a little while ago he said he agrees.
You've received many messages of support this morning on this,
Auntie B. You know, how do you feel at the
moment when you see and experience some of what is
(04:26):
going on on your traditional lands and you know, some
of the terrible crime that we're saying committed.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
My initial actions for little time as absolute anger. How
dare they come do this on my country? They won't
do it on their own country. As much I get
people ground me often, why don't you elders do somebody
about it? But we're not supportive with it's not safe
(05:03):
for us to confront people like that. We want to
do something, but we don't government support, key August support.
I think it's time to have around table with the
government whoever and talk to somebody else. And we've got
some really good ideas, but just getting heard is really hard.
(05:30):
I would initially I wanted to go to back to
traditional punishment. They won't muck around the way they're doing.
But it's a combination things. We have to work with them,
health trauma, but they must be held the responsible what
(05:52):
they've done. And hard punishment is work now without being cruel.
Trus in life was tough. We wouldn't have accepted that
behavior and communities that would be punished.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, no, Auntie b. I think a lot of people
are going to be agreeing with what you're saying today.
And you know, and and you are a traditional owner
of this land standing up and you say, well, you know,
from what you said to me, you do not accept
you do not want to see this kind of behavior
on your lands.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know there's ways you can you, I mean, you
have to look as the mental health and health issues
and traum raises fair enough, but they must be confronted
what they're doing years ago. Wh you get sit them
(07:04):
down in front of the victims of victim families and
face to face say why they didn't and they listen
to the feelings and motions of people they have victimized.
But they too Many people say that's too hard, you
(07:25):
can't do that, and I get ridly cranky. You know,
you have to toughen up with this people, young ones
and old ones. They have to be And people say,
what about the parents. I've talked to so many parents
(07:47):
and grandparents. They try everything they can, but the kids
are out of control. Thinks a joke. We're not allowed
to do traditional punishment back in the communities because away
to towns and then you know, commit crime. No real
(08:08):
punishment that get sent to jail for a while is
a holiday camp. You know, good food, clean rooms and
condition Wi fi blah blah blah. Stop all that and
they won't be so happy to go into care. But
(08:29):
you also take care of health and mental health. But
I've talked to people in the army. I think they'd
be quite willing to like a cadet ship style blue
camp and their education training given them opportunities that the reverses.
(08:54):
There is something wrong. I don't know. You have to
get tough, fus.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, we can't continue on the way that we can
now or the way that we are can we anti
bee like It's just, you know, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That I've lived through many changes of government and people
having different solutions. They're not working. So come back to us,
talk to us and stop. I've been accused to be
mean and nasty because I want to be tough and
(09:33):
the punishment what kids do. But it's a moment Western society,
it's a joke. They need to be We need to
blend the two cultures work together. They're tough traditional way
(09:53):
of discipline and control and Western the poor thoughts can't
get to do that because we live in two worlds.
We have to bring the two worlds together, but make
it it discourage them from continually doing and they couldn't
(10:20):
cry for go do the time. Be tough. Children's life
was tough. It's not easy like this. But too many
people with oh sorry, I call them do goods. They
say you can't do that to children that you're not
talking about the same kids. Our kids grow up much
younger and have a different experience life, so they understand
(10:48):
toughness and maybe good train men and women, seeing men
and women, not elders so much to be in the
space of running this camp. And because a different black
(11:08):
kid to say to white water or something, Yeah, have
a go, but it's a black Aboriginal water or correction
off her from their own country. Yeah, a bit different,
a bit more careful of that. Yeah, But then again
(11:29):
they might be so mentally unstable that don't care a
black writer the butt. Then they need help. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, Auntie B, I really appreciate you having a talk
to me this morning. I really appreciate you getting in
contact earlier today. I know a lot of our listeners
appreciate what you're saying. One here, Auntie B, your message
has hit the mark. Life is sad on Laraichia Land
(12:01):
at the moment. Another one, Auntie B. Thank you for
your strength. You have nailed it. Hello Katie and Crystal.
Auntie B. If she doesn't get the government to act,
nothing will. Together with mister Rotoma, they're putting forward ideas
that the government must act on. There are just a
(12:22):
few of the messages coming through this morning, Auntie B.
So I really appreciate you speaking to me today. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I know, Katie. Other elders from other communities run me,
bring me this personally, say please send sciences so home,
but I can't make them home. Go home. The other els,
very senor elas I know around top end, would be
(12:54):
involved in fixing this up. But they need somebody to
support us. You know, simple things transport, accommodation, to be together,
to talk and once in all, let's sett an example
to the rest of the world. Let's get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Thank you, Auntie B. I really appreciate your time. You're
a wonderful person. Thank you so much for your time
this morning. Thank you. Glad sounds good.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
We will
It's safe to say that the Northern Territory community has
been absolutely heartbroken by the events that had unfolded in
Nightcliff last week and the loss of Linford Fike. Now
a little bit earlier this morning, I received an email
from Auntie Billa Warrelay doctor Bill Worrelay Now she joins
(00:20):
me on the line. She is a senior Larakia elder.
She's a Larakia academic in residence. Good morning, Auntie B.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning Katie, Auntie B.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I felt really emotional when I read the email that
you sent through a little bit earlier this morning, and
there's a lot of it that made me feel emotional.
But you know you had said that you in your
years here, that you've never been scared to live on
(00:55):
your traditional land. I mean reading that out brought me
to tears, to be honest with you, Auntie B.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, my children wanted me to leave Dolma, but I've
listen my home. I want to be here with the community,
to make it a better place for people to live here.
Raise the family's here or visits. You know, it's a
beaut of place.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It is. Auntie B. How did you feel when you
heard what had happened last week in Nightcliff.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was so shocked because there's my local shop. I
go there all the time. I live with lud Miller.
It's just as down road. I love the workers of
the staff, a lot of the products they have, so
(01:54):
I was there pretty several times a week and for
that to have it's affected me deeply. I was going
to go into the shop the second time on the
day the second time they was people tried to rob it,
and I was going to go and put a card
(02:16):
to the counter. Im I'm glad I've didn't going because
I could have got hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's exactly right. I mean, Auntie b. I mean, you've
been here your whole life, yeah, seventy five years. You
are a senior Larakire elder. You know you deliver welcome
to countries, which you know they make the hairs on
(02:46):
my arms race they give me goose stumps. You know.
I've sat with you on so many occasions at different
events where we've both been working, and you know, for
you to say that you feel scared to live on
your traditional land is a horrifying thought. But you've given
(03:07):
some suggestions of what you think the Northern Territory government
could be doing at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, I think, Katie, I've been suggesting this for years,
twenty seven years, effort to spend the money all the
time ago to build these maybe three the cross of
territory rob commendencies. I could see worth coming that would
(03:36):
save so much money and maybe out of it trained
our own people to run those boot camps. But they
didn't listen. I was ignored. So both sides of Parmit
(03:56):
I talked to on many occasions, but you took me
out well.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Auntie B. I think the suggestion that you're making is
you know, is a very good one. I know Jerry
would message through a little while ago he said he agrees.
You've received many messages of support this morning on this,
Auntie B. You know, how do you feel at the
moment when you see and experience some of what is
(04:26):
going on on your traditional lands and you know, some
of the terrible crime that we're saying committed.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
My initial actions for little time as absolute anger. How
dare they come do this on my country? They won't
do it on their own country. As much I get
people ground me often, why don't you elders do somebody
about it? But we're not supportive with it's not safe
(05:03):
for us to confront people like that. We want to
do something, but we don't government support, key August support.
I think it's time to have around table with the
government whoever and talk to somebody else. And we've got
some really good ideas, but just getting heard is really hard.
(05:30):
I would initially I wanted to go to back to
traditional punishment. They won't muck around the way they're doing.
But it's a combination things. We have to work with them,
health trauma, but they must be held the responsible what
(05:52):
they've done. And hard punishment is work now without being cruel.
Trus in life was tough. We wouldn't have accepted that
behavior and communities that would be punished.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, no, Auntie b. I think a lot of people
are going to be agreeing with what you're saying today.
And you know, and and you are a traditional owner
of this land standing up and you say, well, you know,
from what you said to me, you do not accept
you do not want to see this kind of behavior
on your lands.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know there's ways you can you, I mean, you
have to look as the mental health and health issues
and traum raises fair enough, but they must be confronted
what they're doing years ago. Wh you get sit them
(07:04):
down in front of the victims of victim families and
face to face say why they didn't and they listen
to the feelings and motions of people they have victimized.
But they too Many people say that's too hard, you
(07:25):
can't do that, and I get ridly cranky. You know,
you have to toughen up with this people, young ones
and old ones. They have to be And people say,
what about the parents. I've talked to so many parents
(07:47):
and grandparents. They try everything they can, but the kids
are out of control. Thinks a joke. We're not allowed
to do traditional punishment back in the communities because away
to towns and then you know, commit crime. No real
(08:08):
punishment that get sent to jail for a while is
a holiday camp. You know, good food, clean rooms and
condition Wi fi blah blah blah. Stop all that and
they won't be so happy to go into care. But
(08:29):
you also take care of health and mental health. But
I've talked to people in the army. I think they'd
be quite willing to like a cadet ship style blue
camp and their education training given them opportunities that the reverses.
(08:54):
There is something wrong. I don't know. You have to
get tough, fus.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, we can't continue on the way that we can
now or the way that we are can we anti
bee like It's just, you know, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That I've lived through many changes of government and people
having different solutions. They're not working. So come back to us,
talk to us and stop. I've been accused to be
mean and nasty because I want to be tough and
(09:33):
the punishment what kids do. But it's a moment Western society,
it's a joke. They need to be We need to
blend the two cultures work together. They're tough traditional way
(09:53):
of discipline and control and Western the poor thoughts can't
get to do that because we live in two worlds.
We have to bring the two worlds together, but make
it it discourage them from continually doing and they couldn't
(10:20):
cry for go do the time. Be tough. Children's life
was tough. It's not easy like this. But too many
people with oh sorry, I call them do goods. They
say you can't do that to children that you're not
talking about the same kids. Our kids grow up much
younger and have a different experience life, so they understand
(10:48):
toughness and maybe good train men and women, seeing men
and women, not elders so much to be in the
space of running this camp. And because a different black
(11:08):
kid to say to white water or something, Yeah, have
a go, but it's a black Aboriginal water or correction
off her from their own country. Yeah, a bit different,
a bit more careful of that. Yeah, But then again
(11:29):
they might be so mentally unstable that don't care a
black writer the butt. Then they need help. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, Auntie B, I really appreciate you having a talk
to me this morning. I really appreciate you getting in
contact earlier today. I know a lot of our listeners
appreciate what you're saying. One here, Auntie B, your message
has hit the mark. Life is sad on Laraichia Land
(12:01):
at the moment. Another one, Auntie B. Thank you for
your strength. You have nailed it. Hello Katie and Crystal.
Auntie B. If she doesn't get the government to act,
nothing will. Together with mister Rotoma, they're putting forward ideas
that the government must act on. There are just a
(12:22):
few of the messages coming through this morning, Auntie B.
So I really appreciate you speaking to me today. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I know, Katie. Other elders from other communities run me,
bring me this personally, say please send sciences so home,
but I can't make them home. Go home. The other els,
very senor elas I know around top end, would be
(12:54):
involved in fixing this up. But they need somebody to
support us. You know, simple things transport, accommodation, to be together,
to talk and once in all, let's sett an example
to the rest of the world. Let's get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Thank you, Auntie B. I really appreciate your time. You're
a wonderful person. Thank you so much for your time
this morning. Thank you. Glad sounds good.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
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