August 6, 2026 • 47 mins
Katie Woolf was joined on the Week that was with 360 Executive Producer Kathleen Gazzola, CLP Minister Robyn Cahill and Opposition Member Chansey Paech.
The panel discussed the stolen car incident in Katherine overnight, the court case against Luke Gosling, Labor's health discussion paper, the Government's housing strategy and Data centres off the back of Chris Bowen's comments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, a very good morning. It is Friday morning. It
is indeed time for the week that was, and joining
us in the studio this morning for the Labour party.
We've got Chancey Paige, the member for Gulga Dowgia. I
always mispronounce it.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's good to be with your cat.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Sometimes my brain just can't wrap its heat around now
to pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I have the same problem.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good to have you in this studio and looking Larry
today like your shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Ready for the all things art in the terrortory, like
I got time to be in the terrortory. It's from
inje Luck, love.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It yep, looks awesome. And Robin Carl, Minister for Children
and Families, you're looking bright and beautiful this morning as well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you Katie. Yeah it's not from Injeluck, although yesterday
I was wearing yep. Yeah. Good morning to everyone, and
it's a fantastic beautiful day in Darwin.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Lovely to have you in the studio and our very
own Kathleen Gazola, always gorgeous. Good to have you in
the studio this morning. Now, I tell you what, there's
a lot to cover off, but I do just want
to take you first off to Catherine this morning, because
we've spoken a lot about crime in Catherine, and it
looks like it was a whole lot worse last night,
well even when the sun was still up. Yesterday afternoon,
(01:12):
a car filled with what appeared to be kids hooning
around town in what we are told was a stolen
car now, or that is what locals have told us,
and certainly we're told by locals that they were they
felt like they were being held to ransom for about
six hours. So police have confirmed that a black Volkswagen
was stolen from Catherine Terrace earlier in the day and
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was later sighted traveling around the outbound on the Victoria
Highway in a dangerous manner. That vehicle was observed multiple
times within the Catherine township with several youth seen hanging
out of the windows. Now, I've seen this vision and
look at some points they don't appear to be going
at high high speed, but it's not really the point,
(01:56):
like they're literally hanging out the windows. And all I'm thinking, pis,
goodness me, if one of these kids falls out, all
that needs to happen is you land on your head
the wrong way, and that's it. We're facing a tragedy. Kathleen,
I understand you've got some further detail from the police.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We've got some lines from the officer in command of
Catherine Warren Scott, and he said, we understand the community's frustration,
and our officers share that frustration. No police officer wants
to stand by and watch offenders drive stolen vehicles through
our streets, putting innocent people at risk. But our responsibility
is to protect the public, not make dangerous situations even worse. Now,
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that's in relation to police not engaging in a pursuit,
which is what they say these young offenders were trying
to do kind of egg police into doing that, but
they said in the manner of driving in the presence
of traffic and pedestrians, police didn't want to engage the vehicle,
but at about eight point fifty it did come to
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a stop after mounting a curb and colliding with a
fence while the car was driving around. Offices did remain disciplined,
identified those responsible through CCTV and other investigative means, and
are now currently acting actively working to locate and arrest them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Look, I get it that you obviously need to be
incredibly careful. The last thing anybody wants is for a
pursuit to get underway and then for a crash to happen.
But what I also noted from that video, one of
them that i'd seen yesterday, is that there was people
out on their bicycles, like it was in the afternoon
when I was trying to get it home, out on
their bicycles. There's other people out driving their cars. And
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what seriously concerns me is literally everybody on the roads.
I mean, Robin hearing that as the Minister for Children
and Families without knowing the ages of these young people
or any of the circumstances surrounding. Nonetheless, it's concerning to
think that young people are behind the wheel of a
car doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's incredibly concerning. And in actual fact, Katie, I was
speaking with my colleague, the Member for Catherine Joe Hersey
earlier in the week and she raised some concerns that
there seemed to be an increased number of young people
in town that more than usual. So I had actually
asked the department to check and see are these kids
from somewhere else? Are they kind of stuck in town?
(04:09):
Can we get them home. I'll be following on the
back of what's happened yesterday. I'll be following them to
see just exactly what they've been able to find out,
because it's not okay no, And you're absolutely right, I
think it's such a difficult position for police. They've got
a way up that is the risk of pursuit going
to increase the risk of harm. So I it just
(04:31):
defies understanding as to why kids are thinking that this
kind of behavior is something that's acceptable and that they
think that it's a cool thing to do. We really
have got a significant issue with the way in which
our kids are approaching things and we really need to
be working hard to address it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And it's only months ago that we actually had a
terrible tragedy in Catherine where there was a stolen vehicle
that was allegedly crashed and a life was lost. So, like,
I think that we all understand and the ramifications of
what can happen here, it's pretty frightening.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, Lookattie, I think this is not new. Obviously, we've
seen the mayor for Catherine calling out for some time
for additional support and resources. You know, I think it's
time that we maybe have a conversation with the local
council and the police around particular main corridors of that
road where we could install, you know, spikes that can
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come up at times to do it so we're not
having to rely on the police having to go out
manually and put spikes across the road to puncture tires
like we see it's done internationally where you can have
particular main arterial roads where they've got the spikes that
sit in the road that pop up when they know
the car is coming to try and stop the car
(05:44):
or slow the.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Car so reckon.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That might be something we need to look.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
At things differently in parts of the territory.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Is that something that was brought up in our springs.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The car the tire deflation that was raised some time ago.
People look into it because often police have to take
the drag across the road and other places they're in
the road and they pop up when that car is coming.
So because again we do know we have to its
(06:16):
public safety, we have to make sure that other people
are safe.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But there's a bigger issue here like these if these
are kids, we don't know what the ages are. Where
are the people who were supposed to be caring for them.
I just this is the thing that I find really frustrating.
And we talk a lot about kids who are in
trouble and kids, particularly kids in care and communities say
you have to do more, but I don't. You know,
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when I was a kid, there was always a naughty
kid in class, and there was always the kid that
was disruptive, but parents were very heavily involved. And so
we really have to be working out why why is
this breaking down? Why are these kids out on the street. Okay,
it was the afternoon, not the middle of the night,
which is often the situation that sn't matter, but shouldn't
matter the time of day. We just really need to
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be figuring out why is this core unit breaking down
to a point where kids think that they can just
do this well, there's no concept.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But it literally looks like they're thumbing their noses, you know,
up throughout all those videos, absolute.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Job, they're cruising around trying to say to the police,
come and have a game of chicken. And you know, again,
I think it's about Catherine Town Council and the local
community have been calling out for additional resources or you know,
a different way of doing things, and I think what
we're seeing is that this behavior is continuing and we
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need to look at doing things differently. One that is
doing work with the families and making sure that we
can engage with them, but it's also how can we
try and prevent further harm to innocent bystanders. You know,
I'm just thinking imagine if that car ran into a
senior citizen yesterday trying to go and get their groceries,
or a family crossing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
The road, or a tourist.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You know, like we can't just it down and go, Okay,
there's a car running around, the whole town goes on
shutdown for one car.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We've got to look at how.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We can do well that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Well exactly, that's what everybody it's not. And I mean
to the Robin's point about parents and families. You know,
the police have even pointed to that parents and guardians
have a critical role to play. This behavior starts long
before police become involved, and families need to take responsibility
for where their children are and who they're with and
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But what the question is, though we can all talk
about that now where we've gotten to now we know
that tomorrow people are not just suddenly going to stand
up and do that. So I guess for the government, Robin,
what does that look like like? I mean we can
talk about parents need to be responsible or the caregiver
needs to be responsible, but we've got to where we are.
(08:49):
They're not going to stand up tomorrow. So what are
some of the things that we do need to all
do as a as a community.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And we absolutely well, first you need to identify that
particular group of children and find out out where they're from,
who they are, what the whole situation is. But as
a community, we all have to come together to actually
look for these solutions. And it's not something that's just
impacted Catherine the Northern Territory. I mean we've seen situations
that pursuits across the country where it's what do we do?
(09:18):
We've got this, you know, there was a horrific situation
in Melbourne a few years back in the Burke Street.
More so, cars have become weapons and instead of you know,
what we've done is fortify our residences and fortify our
businesses and fortify our roads. We absolutely have to have
a two pronged approach. We is deal with the immediate
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threat and I know police will be looking very hard
at how they can do this, and I expect Catherine
Council will be doing the same thing, and I know
that Joe Hersey is absolutely looking at how things can
be improved.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You gonna call it as well, like I get what
you're saying, Chancey. You know, I get what you're saying as.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, Robin.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
But the fact is, you know, why can't a parent start,
you know, doing their job the following day? We actually
all need stand up and we need to take care
of our children. And if it's not us, it's aunt,
these uncles, it's families, it's everybody around we as a community,
no matter what your background is, we have to start
taking some responsibility and we have to actually start ensuring
(10:14):
that if kids are doing the wrong thing, you go,
I don't think so, that is bullshit. You're gonna end
up hurting someone or you yourself are going to end up killed.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And if parents can't do it, then we have an
obligation to step in and put those boundaries in place
for those kids.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So no idea at this point in time, though, whether
who they are, where they're from, whether they're under the
care of territory, families or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The first question I asked was are these kids in
our care?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And any word.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I haven't had any confirmation yet.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Cat. You say that police have identified them.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They were active, so when they're identified, we'll have a
very strong one at it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And look, I just feel for everybody in Catherine because
we've spoken before to business owners who are saying to us,
you know they're losing staff because people don't feel safe
getting into work. You know, you've got a situation where
people don't feel safe. Like I thought to myself, imagine
being out on your bicycle and seeing a car driving
cars with kids hanging out of it.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Take a step back. A Volkswagen is a flash car, right,
you have to have a key to start that. You
can't hot wire it. So someone's broken into a house,
someone's entered into a property, someone's stolen something. So it
comes at bigger picture here as well. Around it's the
car horrific, terrible, but it's also property crime because someone's
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broken into a house or an office to steal the keys,
which you can't just hot wire one of these cars
with the immobilizers. So bigger picture here, there's a lot
of work that needs to be done, and there's not
one simple answer.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But the reality is we do need community leaders to
step up as well. I mean often I hear them go,
what are you going to do about it? Well, my
response is what are you going to do about it?
I mean, because we have to work. I'm not talking
about the Catherine counseling, So I'm talking about the family,
community leaders, the people who are dealing with these kids.
There'll be people who know who these kids are absolutely
and they should be going. I know if it was
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me and when I was a kid and I had
done that and my family knew about it, I would
be by the scruff of the neck, dragged down to
the police station and held to account. So, you know,
call out to those people who might know those kids
and who may be related, do the right thing. Take
him in.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break. When
we come back, I do want to speak about the
situation involving the federal member for Solomon Luke Gosling. You
are listening to three sixty if you've just joined us
in the studio this morning. We've got Chancey Paike, Robin
Carl and Kathleen Gizola. Now yesterday on the show. We
interviewed the Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Martin Dole, and of
(12:47):
course questions and discussion still remains around the situation with
Luke Goslan. We know the Northern Territory Police Commissioner strongly
rejected claims that were made by mister Gosling's lawyer. There
has been a degree of politicization in the investigation against
the Member for Solomon and mister Gosling is accused, as
(13:08):
we know, of intentionally elbowing and bumping into the Northern
Territory Administrator at a community event last month. The federal
MP has denied the allegations and plans to contest the charges,
his lawyer hitting out at police following his arrest. Now,
the Commissioner told us yesterday well he refuted those claims
that police didn't make several attempts to contact the MP
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in the days beforehand, insisting that investigators made multiple attempts
on multiple occasions to speak with mister Gosling. It comes
as the NTDPP has referred the assault case against mister
Gosling to the Commonwealth DPP after identifying a potential conflict
of interest. That's according to the Northern Territory News. Now,
(13:52):
it's certainly a very interesting situation which is unfolding in
the Northern Territory with this, But the Police Commissioner pretty
strong in refuting those claims. I mean, what do you
make of a chancey like in terms of his lawyer
claiming that politicization in this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Look, Hatie, it's not my rodeo.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So you know, when we get down to it, that's
a matter between Luke his lawyer and you know, this
is obviously a matter that he's going.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Before the courts.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I obviously am mindful that anything that we say
could potentially have influence on that. But you know, I
think both the administrator and the member for Solomon Gosling,
they have a job to do. They've got arrangements in place.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, that's what I questioned last week when I spoke
to the Federal Attorney General and we discussed this last week,
Like it's going to be a bit more difficult to
do your job when very often you're at the same events.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Look, I mean, Robin and I went to church yesterday
as a social thing, you know, we went for we
went for a memorial service Catholic people detaining for yours.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Went to confession.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
But you know, look we went there, the administrator was there,
the Member for Solomon was there. They've got their arrangement
in place. I mean, they both have a job to do.
They've got to make sure that they can do it.
This is a matter of course, you know, for the
administrator and for the Member for Solomon, and I think
that we'll need to see that and follow that through
the court process.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
A bit a bad look for the Labor Party overall, Like,
surely there's plenty of conversation within sort of it's not great.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh look, I think everyone has conversations. I mean, everyone
you talk to in the community has a view on
this matter, I think. But it's again a matter that
will have to be resolved and there'll be an outcome
through the judicial process.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, And I mean we do need to be very
cognizant of the fact that it is an ongoing investigation.
There have been charges late and it will proceed. But
I think to suggest that the police are politicizing this
is really it is offensive. I said, our police works
so hard and they would have been very very cognizant
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into the fact that it's something that they might be
accused of, and I have no doubt that they made
sure that they did everything appropriately. They act with the
utmost integrity. These are the people who are out there
protecting our community. So I think the Commissioner's comments around
that yesterday were absolutely appropriate. We need to allow our
police to do their jobs without fear of being accused
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of having other agendas. I think we just need to
let this run its course and the outcome will be
the outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, it's certainly a pretty wild situation to be in,
but I guess covering the news in the Northern Territory
for the last twenty or so years, we know that
we've seen plenty of other crazy things, haven't we. Kathleen
I is ever the same in here now. Look, I
do want to move along to some other political issues
that have certainly been bubbling this week, and we know
(16:51):
that the Territory Labor opposition this week launched a discussion
paper calling for public feedback on the future of the
Northern Territory health system. The COLP government has no plan
to deal with growing pressure labour, says patients so waiting
for too long for care. Health workers are under increasing strain,
and many Territorians are forced to travel long distances for treatment. Now.
(17:14):
I know a lot of sentiment on the show throughout
the week has been come on, Wolfy, why haven't why
didn't Labor do more when they were in power? But
I actually want to take you to an email that
we received from one of our listeners overnight because to
me it's sort of it really actually exemplifies the concerns
that a lot of Territorians have got at the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It says High Kadian Team, I'm so worried about our
health system. My husband's blood pressures spike to two hundred
and twenty eight over something bloody high, and he usually
he unusually asked me to take him to emergency. We
live in the area, so it didn't take long to
get there about eight ish other patients in ed nine am.
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He was freezing, dizzy and had a burning sensation at
the top of his head and worried. After he was
striaged about thirty to forty minutes later, we were told
we'd be there hours before we might see a doctor.
They're in code yellow and recommended that we see our
GP or go to the urgent care clinic. The nurse
had such sadness in her eyes. My husband's blood pressure
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was coming down, but we needed to know what slash,
why this was happening before he could possibly have a stroke.
I'm writing to you in the hope that you read
some of this OUs and others may also express concerns, worry,
or fear of what is happening in our medical system
and hospitals. I fear that someone is going to die.
Our hospitals are not coping with the demands. The ambulance
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services overwhelmed and cannot drop patients sitting and waiting. Most
of all, I fear losing my soulmate, love of my life,
you know. So that's the concern that everyday Territorians have
got at the moment. And you know, I've been to
the urgent care clinics and absolutely they're great. You know,
you can go in there if your kid's got a
broken bone or you know, had a burn or whatever.
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But if you're worried that your husband's having a stroke,
the first place you would go is to the emergency department.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Stay. It is an I can't speak to that specific situation.
I'm surprised that somebody who walked in with a BP
at that level was left to sit in the waiting room.
That does surprise me. So you know, there may have
been a particularly busy, busy night, But this is a
topic that's very dear to my heart. As you know,
Katie and I have over the years, had many many
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conversations with successive health ministers over the last ten to
fifteen years about how we could do things better, and
the urgent care clinics were a start with that. You know,
there are other models that can be put into emergency
departments that happen in other parts of the country, and
it's always been a struggle to get that shift, and
I think one of the fundamental issues has been that
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we really do have a hospital system here taking into
account our remoteness and the fact that you know, anybody
can walk into any public hospital in this country and
expect to be treated. But here in the territory where
things are costing so much more and we have a
zero our age care system is so stretched that we
have a whole ward occupied by our elderly because there's
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nowhere for them to go that would ordinarily be funded
by the federal government. And so we've really gone to
them and said, listen, you know, we're carrying this extra
weight that is draining our acute care service beds. Please
help us to get this sorted. And the estimates are
it's around about two hundred million dollars of underfunding across
that across our emergency retrieval services. We really need to
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have the federal government listen to the fact. And I
don't care who's in government federally, it has to be
a universal approach because Territorians deserve better and we're absolutely
and that extra funding would make a significant different.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, their argument is that they have provided additional funding
over the last six months. I don't know whether it's
hit the bank account yet, but that they have provided
that additional funding. But I definitely we've heard that really
loudly and clearly, particularly from the AMA, that it's not enough,
that we're still underfunded and that it needs to go further.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I think, Katie, look, I'm excited this week to put
a discussion paper out. I've taken on the shadow health portfolio.
I've never had the privilege to be a health minister,
so this is a new area for me that I'm
really interested in. We've put the discussion paper out to
start a discussion and I want to be really clear.
You know, this is not a CLP problem, This is
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not a labor problem, this is a territory problem. We
need to make sure that we develop and design a
healthcare system that can last well into the future. I've
done a very thankful Minister Edgington allowed me to have
a tour of Palmerston and of Darwin this week to
go through and yet there is an issue here of
demand pressures on our frontline health workers, and every single
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person that you talk to in the waiting room says
our health professionals are amazing. It's the infrastructure that's leaving
this system down. And we do know that there's a
lot of issues. We've hearing from our health professionals this
week that the number of you know, assaults or violence
director towards them over the last twelve months has gone
up because people are growing in patients sitting in waiting
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rooms being double bunked, and this is why we need
to have the conversation. So it's a discussion paper which
will help us in Labor form a health policy and
an election commitments. It's open until the fourth of September.
It allows us to go out and talk with the
community to have that consultation. It's about hospitals, it's about
remote clinics, it's about health services the workforce, because we
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know we can get amazing people to the territory, but
we just can't seem to keep them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Look, I definitely could say some of the issues that
we've spoken about on this show over a number of years,
but particularly over the last few months. You know, from
maternity services to us being contacted by people who need
to go through our patients where they've gone for an appointment,
they're waiting for ours, then they don't actually get to
that appointment, to ambulances, age care, mental health issues, pject.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh god, how long ago now, it must be about
twenty years ago. To clean up the elective surgery wait list,
so we did a total examination, We went through it.
We got rid of duplication, so we got all of
that stuff and found that part of the challenge was
there were people on that list who were repeatedly being
asked if they would be able to do their surgery
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on a particular day. This is elective surgery, and it
was always oh no, I can't do it this day
or that day. And so we changed the way we
approach things, And I think when you talk about like
discussion papers are great, but I think we're well passed
discussion papers. And I am aware of a number of
consultations that were done during the time that labor and
government because I participated in them, that never went anywhere.
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So I think we know what the problems are, we
know what the issues are, and number of well then,
and we are actually actually already implementing in for two years.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And the health professionals will say, particularly the last twelve months,
it has gotten extremely worse in wait times for elective surgeries,
to see a doctor in an emergency department. The assaults
on our health workers over the last twelve months have skyrocketed,
and there's been a.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Number of the federal government and the territory governments of
both stripes never being able to properly work together.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean it.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Feels it does, because you know, we've got the private
hospital as well sitting there waiting to find out who
the new operator is without a maternity ward. Obviously, the
issues with RDH and the number of CO jellos been a.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Six last year alone.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Six CO actually did a paper on your code yellows.
So I think there were like.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You put it to the federal government that we're two
like the money that they provided fantastic, But that just
brings us back up to square one, according to John Daubers,
so it's like we're missing two hundred. Many of the
issues that are the unique issues that we have.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A lot of the issues that are noted in the
paper are programs that are already in play. This work
being done on mental health expansion, there's work being done
on infrastructure. The real issue for us is that we
have a system that has been struggling for two decades,
probably structing decades.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And there only eight million in this year budget.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
We're talking about the bigger infrastructure requirements for going forward.
So there was a plan.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
There was a plan infrastructure in this budget. So you
can't sit here today and say we're the best people
for health.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
We're going to deliverable.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Paul Henderson, You've wanted a thirty year plan for health,
for new infrastructure and new expansion, and none of it was.
Actually now we're doing the work that you failed to do.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
As a as an observer, is it over the last
six months, at least maybe the last year, I see
a heck of a lot of arguing between you know,
Luke Gosling's saying he's doing this or that, and then
Steve Edgington saying he's doing this all that, and all
the while Territorians are sending me emails like the one
that I received overnight saying Katie, I'm worried my husband's
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going to die. So all the talk, all the arguing,
I think needs to needs to stop and we actually
need to get together on this health issue. And I
get it right, like we've all got different views of
how to reach the finish line and how to deliver
in the best way possible. But for me, the people
that are hurting are everyday Territorians.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well, the very first thing we need to do is
make sure that our hospital, as it hasn't been able
to do over the last two decades, is be looking
after the people that should be in a QTE care system,
Like that's the requirement. So a QKRE hospital beds are
very expensive beds, so you don't want them occupied by
people who don't need that level of care. So that's
an absolutely critical thing. And to do that, we absolutely
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need much better age care infrastructure, and we need the
federal government to come to the party of that because
it's a federal government responsibility. That's what age care where
it sits, So that would make a huge difference to
the hospital, would make a huge difference to the staff,
it would make things far more efficient. And then we're
looking at the elective surgery wait lists and the way
in which we manage the throughput there. There are models
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of co location throughout the country and they have been
used here in the past and they've been very effective,
and I think there is a way to be innovative.
And I know that Minister Edgington is looking at all
of that, and the communities feeding into that is critically important,
and we hear the concerns. I myself spent several hours
in ed just recently with my dad, so I know
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the struggle that goes on. And I absolutely have the
greatest respect for the team that work there and understand
how challenging it can be, and they all do an
amazing job, and we will continue to work.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
To support Katie.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The great thing is I am absolutely passionate about health.
I want to get stuff moving. I've heard health professionals
this week say they feel like they're being ignored by
this government. It's eight million dollars. That's not going to
fix the infrastructure deficit. But you know what, I'm looking
forward to the Member for Port Darwin putting in a
submission to Labour's discussion.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think I'll just actually, do you know what, we
actually require my colleagues to make things continue to requested.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
A number of weeks ago, we actually wanted to do
a health a health panel because we've understood that this
is a big issue for some time. So we put
in a request probably a month or so ago, to
try and get Luke Gosling to try and get Steve
Edgington to try and get doctor John Zorbis on the
show to have that panel discussion to really nut out
some of the concerns that we've got. Zorbis was all go,
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but unfortunately the only one that we could lock in.
So we'll keep trying because I really do believe that
this is one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
For a lot of territory, will be the biggest issue
at this stage anyway going to the election.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Right, it doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing.
Health impacts everyone's life, whether it's responding to crime, whether
it's sponding to health, housing, education, jobs, lifestyle, every every needs.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break and
then we are going to talk a little bit more
about some of those other issues. We'll talk housing and
also talk a bit more about data centers and maybe
the federal government stepping in. You're listening to mix and
in the studio with us this morning. We've got Chancey Paig,
We've got Robin khl and we've got Kathleen Gazola and
we know the Northern Territory government this week launched a
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new housing strategy to address the territory's housing challenges, including
low home ownership rates and high dependency on public housing.
We know the Northern Territory has nearly three times the
rental rates of national figures, while overcrowding remains a major
issue in remote communities, as well as years long wait
times for public housing. Now, the Opposition hit out the
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strategy as a well as a policy that lacks substance
and detail and doesn't properly address the issues across the
Northern Territory. The Property Council welcome the strategy, but they've
also warned that the document lacks a hardh targets, deadlines
and accountability, needed to actively deliver more homes. Kathleen, we
spoke about it extensively with the Housing Minister earlier in
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the week, but yeah, not a lot of detail in
terms of those targets year on year. And look, I
know there's plenty of different factors that come into play,
but our public housing wait time some of them up
to nine years.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, it's crazy. And you know, obviously we mentioned earlier
in the week having sort of specific targets or timelines.
Obviously governments are then beholden to it and held to it.
It's very hard to meet that exact, especially in such
a complex area, but at least they give something to
really aim for. You can't really you know, an increase
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could be one, it could be two, it could be half,
Like that doesn't really cut the mustage.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, I think we know that. Like at its heart,
it's saying that we need to keep pace with the
opportunities that's coming with our economy, and we know that
we're going the trajectory around increased workforce et cetera. We
will need the house that so the timeline for those
requirements are over the next to ten years. So we
know that we have to have more housing available at
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least in the next two years. And so the first
element of that is you've got to have the land available.
I know one of the things that people say often
around the Darwin region not so much Palmitsan. There's some
great work being done there. There's the new suburb of Holts.
You know that project is absolutely steaming ahead. I was
out there a couple of weeks back, and I was
there a year ago, and I cannot believe just how quickly.
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And it demonstrates that things can happen very quickly if
you release the land, you make that available, you make
it affordable. On the back of the other programs we
have in place around home ownership, we have seen a
massive uptake and it's something that's been really positive. But
the other component is we also have to recognize we
need affordable housing. And I can tell you that I've
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on the back of the investment summit that we just had,
there are a number of proponents who are very keen
to look at projects in the Northern Territory around affordable
house which is where the land availability becomes very critical.
So it's hard. It's saying we know what we need
to do and we are making it so that the
framework makes it possible to achieve that. Why not set
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those targets to have something to show, like, you know
we did this, so now we've achieved this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You're talking about making yourself accountable.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, Katie, that is the most gaminous plan or
strategy I have ever seen. There is nothing in there
that will hold the government to account to increase the
housing services or availability in the territory. We know we're
in a housing crisis. We know that there's the Housing
Australia Future Fund, the half ten billion dollars and this
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government hasn't even been able to secure one hundred and
fifty million dollars of that. That's money that Canberra are
actually throwing at the territory saying take some of this
money to build.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
And there are projects in the pipeline have.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So successfully got money Round one, Round three that's open
now yas Canbra. Not one cent has been applied at
the moment by the CLP.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So one of the challenges that is a.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Giant epic failure.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
One of the challenges that we're not allowed to use
it for vision to.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Do the hard work and help organizations in small businesses.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
There are some securificing constraints around that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We have not to be building so the ground increase,
bedrooms in remote houses, not new houses. We don't want
multiple generations living in one house. We want them to
have their own house.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Look this, I think this is a huge issue. There's
no doubt about it when it comes to housing. Just
on the point that you're making. You got to do
the head the head to get free cash, then to
build homes, you'd be prepared to actually do the head.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't think, you know, I don't think there's anything
free anywhere. Definitely is we have you know that we've
had six hundred applications for new home builds under our
homeowner scheme, which is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Not everybody can afford that. Not everybody's in that situation.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So Katie, that's actually not entirely true what Robin is saying.
There is Commonwealth funding available to build homes, there's Commonwealth
funding available to help with subdivisions and getting small businesses
out there to develop this. We've seen it happen already
in Catherine with Katherine East. We've seen works happen in
kil Gareff. You've got holts, you've got potential of Kuwandy here.
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But what we haven't seen is that round three. We're
still waiting for the CLP to actually put in an
application and ask Canberra for these billions of dollars ten
billion dollars in that housing fund.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So how are we in a situation where we're not
capitalizing on it?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Robin Well, I think I think that with respect to
the Membaha Goyger, I think you know, he might think
he knows everything that's going on in the world, but
he doesn't. There is a lot of work being done
in that space, and I know relying edging has been
very hard on the approach to affordable housing. There's a
couple of projects that are in the pipeline that are
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partnerships with private sector investors, which is really important because
the bottom line is you want to know that you
can deliver, so you don't want to go, oh, let's
go for that and grab that money and then they're
not delivered in a few years time, not.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
To live totally get that. But how many are we talking.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well, because of the involvement of private investors, I can't
reveal their plans.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So are we talking their community housing or are we
talk which affordable housing. Yes, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Katie Katy again, let's just be really clear. The Housing
Australia Future Fund is a ten billion dollar fund. The
NT has only secured one hundred and thirty nine million
dollars for one hundred and sixty two houses in round
one and two, and so far in round three they
haven't applied for anything.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So we got to be honest.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Robin doesn't want to believe Canberra, then get Steve Edgington
to come out and tell us what the actual value
is that the CLP have secured under the Housing Australia
Future Fund for territories so that we can get people
in the market.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We want to hear from Sedgington.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We've had an increasing come out and tell it almost
fifty percent. So in the last.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Approvals are going to build money, will get houses built.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Where is residential what we need? Almost a fifty percent
increases so strong as great, We're going off.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A very high low though, because I know that over
the years we really haven't been delivering a huge amount
when it comes to community or I'm happy about.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Why don't we If the CLP were serious.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
About it, they would have put it in their gam
and plan, but instead they haven't committed to anything documents.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So we've got the discussion of paper on health, discussion
paper em.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Your microphones down in a seconds.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I thought, let's just get Steve Edgington to roll out
and tell us the exact value. How much money has
CLP secured through under the Housing Australia Future Fund for
Territorians to get into a home, whether it's social or
for audible.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We certainly we will make sure that we follow that
up because I do want to move along. There is
so much to discuss this morning, and I don't want
to don't want to wrap up without talking about these
data centers. Now we know the Federal Energy Minister, Chris
Bowen has taken aim at the Northern Territory's push to
become a data center hub, warning that gas only projects
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won't be allowed under new national rules. So speaking at
the National Press Club, mister Bowen says the Commonwealth is
going to use its legislative powers to stop states and
territories from approving data centers that rely solely on gas,
saying they won't meet minimum national standards. His comments really
do cast out over a proposed power gas powered data
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center at WIDELL. I mean This is an interesting situation
that we find ourselves in. We've got the gas, they're
ready to power up a data center, but it seems
like the federal government saying not going to allow it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Robin, here's the reality for the federal government. And I
understand that you know, over the past decade or so
that Australia has had major issues around energy security, major
concerns about the drain on the East Coast power grid
with massive builds, particularly around data centers. That is not
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an issue for the Northern territory. I appreciate that it's
only really been in the last eighteen months or so
that the reality of the ability for us to realize
what is the largest onshore gas uncontracted gas deposit in
the world, with sufficient gas to keep Australia powered for
two centuries as a minimum. I understand that getting that
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message through has taken a bit of push and effort,
but the reality is we've got this gas reserve that
enables us to be the powerhouse in data centers to
supply our allies and the region, and which is critical,
particularly as the advent of AI is rapidly growing and
has become such a critical component of so many things,
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particularly around security for our region, that they just need
to understand that this gas is very low carbon, it's
a fantastic transitional power I don't think there's a data
center operator that I've spoken to who doesn't in their
plan have the intention to use a blend of gas
and renewables, but they have also got the reality of
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that if you want to get it going, and you
want to get it going quickly, and it's critical, particularly
on the back of the situation in the Middle East,
is gas is the logical way to go. We need
to be doing it now. It's not going to impact
the Northern Territory's power grid because everything is behind the grid.
It's a direct relationship with the suppliers and our allies,
particularly the US is saying we need to have data
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centers that we can rely on the security of and
the Northern Territory is a really obvious place.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Do you think that we're going to be able to
reach some kind of agreement with the federal government on
this or are they going to step in and go no, sorry,
like these are our rules, this is what we're doing
right across Australia.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I think we will absolutely continue to push back because
this is the Northern Territory. In the Northern this is
the game changer for the Northern Territory. We have all
of the elements that we need to be able to
do this, and we can do it in such a
way that there's a minimal risk to our power supply
for the country as well as for the Northern Territory.
And like it. Just I know, people, renewables as a
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target one hundred percent isn't a great aspirational goal, but
renewables are intermittent power supplies. They are not well.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We've had a situation in the territory before where our
system has failed. When you know, when things haven't gone
well with solo, Like.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Let's be clear what Chris Bowen is talking about is
it's nationally so it's not just the Northern Territory that happens.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
We've got the gas that they and they and they
don't need to worry about gas because we will give.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Them advice from someone who talks about the world flipping
on its axis.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Oh my god, you don't have a sense of humor either.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Actually, listen to the expers.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I thought you had a sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
There are people who are absolutely able to do this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
We can.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
We know we can take energy. We're looking at taking
the sun rays from the beautiful Barkley to power Singapore.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
You like the rest of us, get the ships. If
bloody camera tries to step in and tell us what
to do, and and.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I'll find your sense of humor minute after we finish
here today. I don't think, you know, let's talk about some.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
There is this is part of a national commitment to
do there's a national agreement the government here in the territory.
They think they can have a conversation with Chris Bowen
and Canberra to look at a solution, then let's let's
have that question.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And we'll be having that conversation. And what we're saying
to him is that but you know, we understand, like
we absolutely understand the concerns that have been plaguing the
East Coast for the last few years. We absolutely understand that.
And as I said, up until we came into power,
the reality of being able to deliver on Beterloo was very,
very gray, very grey. We've immediately stepped in and made
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that happen in less than in just in a month,
Territory gas will be powering territory homes. That is extraordinary.
That is extraordinary, and that is the game change of
for us. And we're saying to the East coast, and
I can tell you that my colleagues in other states
and territories have started to realize we don't need to
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make it difficult for territory guests to get up. We
need to actually make it happen.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
They need to talk to the they need nuclear energy.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
They need to stop building import terminals.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
We take a step back though, like I think talking
about data centers is a good conversation to have because
people out in the suburbs of Darwin or Palmerston or
Tenant Creek and anywhere else don't actually know what to
involved in running a data center, whether it's the energy,
whether it's the water, what requirements it has. It's a
new concept to people. We need to have those conversations saying.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
The language that he was using was very much about, well,
if you don't agree with the Commonwealth, where you're going
to do it right towards the normal ritory, which it
wasn't talking about having a conversation, and it was very
much like, well, you know you're outvoted, you just need
to kind of crack on and get on board, you know,
so that immediately.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
We absolutely want to partnership because we actually can solve
the security, the energy security for our country indefinitely. Like
there is that is the I know it's really hard
to wrap your head around, but that is the quantum
of the gas that we've got available, and it provides
us with the perfect mechanism to move towards renewables in
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the future. And who knows what it's going to look
like in fifty years time, it's probably going to be
even different again, you know, as batteries get smaller and
green energy grows, we.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Are going to have to take a very quick break.
We've run out of time in here this morning. You
Bob are very vocal, which I love, We love, will
take a really quick break. You are listening to Mix.
You are listening to Mix on O four nine's three six.
It is the week that was, and we've run out
of time we always do in here. But I'll tell
you what. Everybody's been on fire this morning. Chancey Peige,
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the member for Guadga, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Before we before we end, Robin and I are both
you know, trendsetting here with our fashion this morning. It's
all things arts this week in the Northern Territory. The
National Aboriginal Too Artawarod is tonight down at the museum,
and the National Digit's Music Awards.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
No doubt we all all be.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Down there shaking a boot tail feather, that's what we're
calling it on radio.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
And Darwin and fashion week as well.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
There's so much we have country. Yeah, it's all been
about the clothes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Listening here, don't give me any excuse this. The more
money on clothes. Kathleen and I are already out of control.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Talking to the wrong We're going to say you spend, spend.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Exactly, and I'm going to I'm going to apologize the
head for putting this picture in people's heads. But Sunday
it's going to be thecra because it's the sun Bill
ground wonder already. I may not I may not be
on the week that was ever again because I may
not survive. But I'm going to be right. I'm going
to do the forty three.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
K Robin, are you going to be in the orange?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 5 (45:34):
When we go for orange and Oka.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
You know, good for you flag, That's what I'll be wearing.
I'll be keen to hear how your how your glutes
and your quads are feeling on Monday. Might be a
little bit sore after something.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I think I might need to book in that message
immediately finished.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
She might be calling, she might be.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Some recovery.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
You have actually got somebody on standby to come and
rescue me if it's get halfway around and go, I
can't do it.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
It's a bit like horse riding when we do our events.
The day later you were like, oh, I didn't even
know I had.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Muscles there exactly. Oh well, good luck with that, and
I'm sure it'll be fantastic with Grand Fondo. It's always
a wonderful Ben.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Shout out to the Darwin Family Law firm because they
actually shame us into doing it by offering to sponsor
to donate to our favorite charity.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Oh that's a good idea, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
And Katie, I almost forgot. Next week is the Calgarriinji
Freedom Day Festival. Sixty years since the waves. He will
walk off the birth of land rights.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So great.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
I know that I'll be down there with Duran and Manual.
I think Steve Edgington will be down as well. You
know another great. You know, there really is the festival
time in the Teri.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
We might have to try and cross to you from
or across to you or whoever next week you can
so locally we can get you both online. Ask about
those housing numbers as well. Kathleen, stick around. We're going
to do the news after this break. Thank you so
much for your time this morning. You are listening to
Mix one O four nine's three sixty
Well, a very good morning. It is Friday morning. It
is indeed time for the week that was, and joining
us in the studio this morning for the Labour party.
We've got Chancey Paige, the member for Gulga Dowgia. I
always mispronounce it.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's good to be with your cat.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Sometimes my brain just can't wrap its heat around now
to pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I have the same problem.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good to have you in this studio and looking Larry
today like your shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Ready for the all things art in the terrortory, like
I got time to be in the terrortory. It's from
inje Luck, love.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It yep, looks awesome. And Robin Carl, Minister for Children
and Families, you're looking bright and beautiful this morning as well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you Katie. Yeah it's not from Injeluck, although yesterday
I was wearing yep. Yeah. Good morning to everyone, and
it's a fantastic beautiful day in Darwin.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Lovely to have you in the studio and our very
own Kathleen Gazola, always gorgeous. Good to have you in
the studio this morning. Now, I tell you what, there's
a lot to cover off, but I do just want
to take you first off to Catherine this morning, because
we've spoken a lot about crime in Catherine, and it
looks like it was a whole lot worse last night,
well even when the sun was still up. Yesterday afternoon,
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a car filled with what appeared to be kids hooning
around town in what we are told was a stolen
car now, or that is what locals have told us,
and certainly we're told by locals that they were they
felt like they were being held to ransom for about
six hours. So police have confirmed that a black Volkswagen
was stolen from Catherine Terrace earlier in the day and
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was later sighted traveling around the outbound on the Victoria
Highway in a dangerous manner. That vehicle was observed multiple
times within the Catherine township with several youth seen hanging
out of the windows. Now, I've seen this vision and
look at some points they don't appear to be going
at high high speed, but it's not really the point,
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like they're literally hanging out the windows. And all I'm thinking, pis,
goodness me, if one of these kids falls out, all
that needs to happen is you land on your head
the wrong way, and that's it. We're facing a tragedy. Kathleen,
I understand you've got some further detail from the police.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We've got some lines from the officer in command of
Catherine Warren Scott, and he said, we understand the community's frustration,
and our officers share that frustration. No police officer wants
to stand by and watch offenders drive stolen vehicles through
our streets, putting innocent people at risk. But our responsibility
is to protect the public, not make dangerous situations even worse. Now,
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that's in relation to police not engaging in a pursuit,
which is what they say these young offenders were trying
to do kind of egg police into doing that, but
they said in the manner of driving in the presence
of traffic and pedestrians, police didn't want to engage the vehicle,
but at about eight point fifty it did come to
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a stop after mounting a curb and colliding with a
fence while the car was driving around. Offices did remain disciplined,
identified those responsible through CCTV and other investigative means, and
are now currently acting actively working to locate and arrest them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Look, I get it that you obviously need to be
incredibly careful. The last thing anybody wants is for a
pursuit to get underway and then for a crash to happen.
But what I also noted from that video, one of
them that i'd seen yesterday, is that there was people
out on their bicycles, like it was in the afternoon
when I was trying to get it home, out on
their bicycles. There's other people out driving their cars. And
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what seriously concerns me is literally everybody on the roads.
I mean, Robin hearing that as the Minister for Children
and Families without knowing the ages of these young people
or any of the circumstances surrounding. Nonetheless, it's concerning to
think that young people are behind the wheel of a
car doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's incredibly concerning. And in actual fact, Katie, I was
speaking with my colleague, the Member for Catherine Joe Hersey
earlier in the week and she raised some concerns that
there seemed to be an increased number of young people
in town that more than usual. So I had actually
asked the department to check and see are these kids
from somewhere else? Are they kind of stuck in town?
(04:09):
Can we get them home. I'll be following on the
back of what's happened yesterday. I'll be following them to
see just exactly what they've been able to find out,
because it's not okay no, And you're absolutely right, I
think it's such a difficult position for police. They've got
a way up that is the risk of pursuit going
to increase the risk of harm. So I it just
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defies understanding as to why kids are thinking that this
kind of behavior is something that's acceptable and that they
think that it's a cool thing to do. We really
have got a significant issue with the way in which
our kids are approaching things and we really need to
be working hard to address it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And it's only months ago that we actually had a
terrible tragedy in Catherine where there was a stolen vehicle
that was allegedly crashed and a life was lost. So, like,
I think that we all understand and the ramifications of
what can happen here, it's pretty frightening.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, Lookattie, I think this is not new. Obviously, we've
seen the mayor for Catherine calling out for some time
for additional support and resources. You know, I think it's
time that we maybe have a conversation with the local
council and the police around particular main corridors of that
road where we could install, you know, spikes that can
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come up at times to do it so we're not
having to rely on the police having to go out
manually and put spikes across the road to puncture tires
like we see it's done internationally where you can have
particular main arterial roads where they've got the spikes that
sit in the road that pop up when they know
the car is coming to try and stop the car
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or slow the.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Car so reckon.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That might be something we need to look.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
At things differently in parts of the territory.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Is that something that was brought up in our springs.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The car the tire deflation that was raised some time ago.
People look into it because often police have to take
the drag across the road and other places they're in
the road and they pop up when that car is coming.
So because again we do know we have to its
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public safety, we have to make sure that other people
are safe.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But there's a bigger issue here like these if these
are kids, we don't know what the ages are. Where
are the people who were supposed to be caring for them.
I just this is the thing that I find really frustrating.
And we talk a lot about kids who are in
trouble and kids, particularly kids in care and communities say
you have to do more, but I don't. You know,
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when I was a kid, there was always a naughty
kid in class, and there was always the kid that
was disruptive, but parents were very heavily involved. And so
we really have to be working out why why is
this breaking down? Why are these kids out on the street. Okay,
it was the afternoon, not the middle of the night,
which is often the situation that sn't matter, but shouldn't
matter the time of day. We just really need to
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be figuring out why is this core unit breaking down
to a point where kids think that they can just
do this well, there's no concept.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But it literally looks like they're thumbing their noses, you know,
up throughout all those videos, absolute.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Job, they're cruising around trying to say to the police,
come and have a game of chicken. And you know, again,
I think it's about Catherine Town Council and the local
community have been calling out for additional resources or you know,
a different way of doing things, and I think what
we're seeing is that this behavior is continuing and we
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need to look at doing things differently. One that is
doing work with the families and making sure that we
can engage with them, but it's also how can we
try and prevent further harm to innocent bystanders. You know,
I'm just thinking imagine if that car ran into a
senior citizen yesterday trying to go and get their groceries,
or a family crossing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
The road, or a tourist.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You know, like we can't just it down and go, Okay,
there's a car running around, the whole town goes on
shutdown for one car.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We've got to look at how.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We can do well that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Well exactly, that's what everybody it's not. And I mean
to the Robin's point about parents and families. You know,
the police have even pointed to that parents and guardians
have a critical role to play. This behavior starts long
before police become involved, and families need to take responsibility
for where their children are and who they're with and
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But what the question is, though we can all talk
about that now where we've gotten to now we know
that tomorrow people are not just suddenly going to stand
up and do that. So I guess for the government, Robin,
what does that look like like? I mean we can
talk about parents need to be responsible or the caregiver
needs to be responsible, but we've got to where we are.
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They're not going to stand up tomorrow. So what are
some of the things that we do need to all
do as a as a community.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And we absolutely well, first you need to identify that
particular group of children and find out out where they're from,
who they are, what the whole situation is. But as
a community, we all have to come together to actually
look for these solutions. And it's not something that's just
impacted Catherine the Northern Territory. I mean we've seen situations
that pursuits across the country where it's what do we do?
(09:18):
We've got this, you know, there was a horrific situation
in Melbourne a few years back in the Burke Street.
More so, cars have become weapons and instead of you know,
what we've done is fortify our residences and fortify our
businesses and fortify our roads. We absolutely have to have
a two pronged approach. We is deal with the immediate
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threat and I know police will be looking very hard
at how they can do this, and I expect Catherine
Council will be doing the same thing, and I know
that Joe Hersey is absolutely looking at how things can
be improved.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You gonna call it as well, like I get what
you're saying, Chancey. You know, I get what you're saying as.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, Robin.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
But the fact is, you know, why can't a parent start,
you know, doing their job the following day? We actually
all need stand up and we need to take care
of our children. And if it's not us, it's aunt,
these uncles, it's families, it's everybody around we as a community,
no matter what your background is, we have to start
taking some responsibility and we have to actually start ensuring
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that if kids are doing the wrong thing, you go,
I don't think so, that is bullshit. You're gonna end
up hurting someone or you yourself are going to end up killed.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And if parents can't do it, then we have an
obligation to step in and put those boundaries in place
for those kids.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So no idea at this point in time, though, whether
who they are, where they're from, whether they're under the
care of territory, families or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The first question I asked was are these kids in
our care?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And any word.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I haven't had any confirmation yet.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Cat. You say that police have identified them.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They were active, so when they're identified, we'll have a
very strong one at it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And look, I just feel for everybody in Catherine because
we've spoken before to business owners who are saying to us,
you know they're losing staff because people don't feel safe
getting into work. You know, you've got a situation where
people don't feel safe. Like I thought to myself, imagine
being out on your bicycle and seeing a car driving
cars with kids hanging out of it.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Take a step back. A Volkswagen is a flash car, right,
you have to have a key to start that. You
can't hot wire it. So someone's broken into a house,
someone's entered into a property, someone's stolen something. So it
comes at bigger picture here as well. Around it's the
car horrific, terrible, but it's also property crime because someone's
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broken into a house or an office to steal the keys,
which you can't just hot wire one of these cars
with the immobilizers. So bigger picture here, there's a lot
of work that needs to be done, and there's not
one simple answer.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But the reality is we do need community leaders to
step up as well. I mean often I hear them go,
what are you going to do about it? Well, my
response is what are you going to do about it?
I mean, because we have to work. I'm not talking
about the Catherine counseling, So I'm talking about the family,
community leaders, the people who are dealing with these kids.
There'll be people who know who these kids are absolutely
and they should be going. I know if it was
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me and when I was a kid and I had
done that and my family knew about it, I would
be by the scruff of the neck, dragged down to
the police station and held to account. So, you know,
call out to those people who might know those kids
and who may be related, do the right thing. Take
him in.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break. When
we come back, I do want to speak about the
situation involving the federal member for Solomon Luke Gosling. You
are listening to three sixty if you've just joined us
in the studio this morning. We've got Chancey Paike, Robin
Carl and Kathleen Gizola. Now yesterday on the show. We
interviewed the Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Martin Dole, and of
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course questions and discussion still remains around the situation with
Luke Goslan. We know the Northern Territory Police Commissioner strongly
rejected claims that were made by mister Gosling's lawyer. There
has been a degree of politicization in the investigation against
the Member for Solomon and mister Gosling is accused, as
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we know, of intentionally elbowing and bumping into the Northern
Territory Administrator at a community event last month. The federal
MP has denied the allegations and plans to contest the charges,
his lawyer hitting out at police following his arrest. Now,
the Commissioner told us yesterday well he refuted those claims
that police didn't make several attempts to contact the MP
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in the days beforehand, insisting that investigators made multiple attempts
on multiple occasions to speak with mister Gosling. It comes
as the NTDPP has referred the assault case against mister
Gosling to the Commonwealth DPP after identifying a potential conflict
of interest. That's according to the Northern Territory News. Now,
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it's certainly a very interesting situation which is unfolding in
the Northern Territory with this, But the Police Commissioner pretty
strong in refuting those claims. I mean, what do you
make of a chancey like in terms of his lawyer
claiming that politicization in this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Look, Hatie, it's not my rodeo.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So you know, when we get down to it, that's
a matter between Luke his lawyer and you know, this
is obviously a matter that he's going.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Before the courts.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I obviously am mindful that anything that we say
could potentially have influence on that. But you know, I
think both the administrator and the member for Solomon Gosling,
they have a job to do. They've got arrangements in place.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, that's what I questioned last week when I spoke
to the Federal Attorney General and we discussed this last week,
Like it's going to be a bit more difficult to
do your job when very often you're at the same events.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Look, I mean, Robin and I went to church yesterday
as a social thing, you know, we went for we
went for a memorial service Catholic people detaining for yours.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Went to confession.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
But you know, look we went there, the administrator was there,
the Member for Solomon was there. They've got their arrangement
in place. I mean, they both have a job to do.
They've got to make sure that they can do it.
This is a matter of course, you know, for the
administrator and for the Member for Solomon, and I think
that we'll need to see that and follow that through
the court process.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
A bit a bad look for the Labor Party overall, Like,
surely there's plenty of conversation within sort of it's not great.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh look, I think everyone has conversations. I mean, everyone
you talk to in the community has a view on
this matter, I think. But it's again a matter that
will have to be resolved and there'll be an outcome
through the judicial process.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, And I mean we do need to be very
cognizant of the fact that it is an ongoing investigation.
There have been charges late and it will proceed. But
I think to suggest that the police are politicizing this
is really it is offensive. I said, our police works
so hard and they would have been very very cognizant
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into the fact that it's something that they might be
accused of, and I have no doubt that they made
sure that they did everything appropriately. They act with the
utmost integrity. These are the people who are out there
protecting our community. So I think the Commissioner's comments around
that yesterday were absolutely appropriate. We need to allow our
police to do their jobs without fear of being accused
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of having other agendas. I think we just need to
let this run its course and the outcome will be
the outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, it's certainly a pretty wild situation to be in,
but I guess covering the news in the Northern Territory
for the last twenty or so years, we know that
we've seen plenty of other crazy things, haven't we. Kathleen
I is ever the same in here now. Look, I
do want to move along to some other political issues
that have certainly been bubbling this week, and we know
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that the Territory Labor opposition this week launched a discussion
paper calling for public feedback on the future of the
Northern Territory health system. The COLP government has no plan
to deal with growing pressure labour, says patients so waiting
for too long for care. Health workers are under increasing strain,
and many Territorians are forced to travel long distances for treatment. Now.
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I know a lot of sentiment on the show throughout
the week has been come on, Wolfy, why haven't why
didn't Labor do more when they were in power? But
I actually want to take you to an email that
we received from one of our listeners overnight because to
me it's sort of it really actually exemplifies the concerns
that a lot of Territorians have got at the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It says High Kadian Team, I'm so worried about our
health system. My husband's blood pressures spike to two hundred
and twenty eight over something bloody high, and he usually
he unusually asked me to take him to emergency. We
live in the area, so it didn't take long to
get there about eight ish other patients in ed nine am.
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He was freezing, dizzy and had a burning sensation at
the top of his head and worried. After he was
striaged about thirty to forty minutes later, we were told
we'd be there hours before we might see a doctor.
They're in code yellow and recommended that we see our
GP or go to the urgent care clinic. The nurse
had such sadness in her eyes. My husband's blood pressure
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was coming down, but we needed to know what slash,
why this was happening before he could possibly have a stroke.
I'm writing to you in the hope that you read
some of this OUs and others may also express concerns, worry,
or fear of what is happening in our medical system
and hospitals. I fear that someone is going to die.
Our hospitals are not coping with the demands. The ambulance
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services overwhelmed and cannot drop patients sitting and waiting. Most
of all, I fear losing my soulmate, love of my life,
you know. So that's the concern that everyday Territorians have
got at the moment. And you know, I've been to
the urgent care clinics and absolutely they're great. You know,
you can go in there if your kid's got a
broken bone or you know, had a burn or whatever.
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But if you're worried that your husband's having a stroke,
the first place you would go is to the emergency department.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Stay. It is an I can't speak to that specific situation.
I'm surprised that somebody who walked in with a BP
at that level was left to sit in the waiting room.
That does surprise me. So you know, there may have
been a particularly busy, busy night, But this is a
topic that's very dear to my heart. As you know,
Katie and I have over the years, had many many
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conversations with successive health ministers over the last ten to
fifteen years about how we could do things better, and
the urgent care clinics were a start with that. You know,
there are other models that can be put into emergency
departments that happen in other parts of the country, and
it's always been a struggle to get that shift, and
I think one of the fundamental issues has been that
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we really do have a hospital system here taking into
account our remoteness and the fact that you know, anybody
can walk into any public hospital in this country and
expect to be treated. But here in the territory where
things are costing so much more and we have a
zero our age care system is so stretched that we
have a whole ward occupied by our elderly because there's
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nowhere for them to go that would ordinarily be funded
by the federal government. And so we've really gone to
them and said, listen, you know, we're carrying this extra
weight that is draining our acute care service beds. Please
help us to get this sorted. And the estimates are
it's around about two hundred million dollars of underfunding across
that across our emergency retrieval services. We really need to
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have the federal government listen to the fact. And I
don't care who's in government federally, it has to be
a universal approach because Territorians deserve better and we're absolutely
and that extra funding would make a significant different.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, their argument is that they have provided additional funding
over the last six months. I don't know whether it's
hit the bank account yet, but that they have provided
that additional funding. But I definitely we've heard that really
loudly and clearly, particularly from the AMA, that it's not enough,
that we're still underfunded and that it needs to go further.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I think, Katie, look, I'm excited this week to put
a discussion paper out. I've taken on the shadow health portfolio.
I've never had the privilege to be a health minister,
so this is a new area for me that I'm
really interested in. We've put the discussion paper out to
start a discussion and I want to be really clear.
You know, this is not a CLP problem, This is
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not a labor problem, this is a territory problem. We
need to make sure that we develop and design a
healthcare system that can last well into the future. I've
done a very thankful Minister Edgington allowed me to have
a tour of Palmerston and of Darwin this week to
go through and yet there is an issue here of
demand pressures on our frontline health workers, and every single
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person that you talk to in the waiting room says
our health professionals are amazing. It's the infrastructure that's leaving
this system down. And we do know that there's a
lot of issues. We've hearing from our health professionals this
week that the number of you know, assaults or violence
director towards them over the last twelve months has gone
up because people are growing in patients sitting in waiting
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rooms being double bunked, and this is why we need
to have the conversation. So it's a discussion paper which
will help us in Labor form a health policy and
an election commitments. It's open until the fourth of September.
It allows us to go out and talk with the
community to have that consultation. It's about hospitals, it's about
remote clinics, it's about health services the workforce, because we
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know we can get amazing people to the territory, but
we just can't seem to keep them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Look, I definitely could say some of the issues that
we've spoken about on this show over a number of years,
but particularly over the last few months. You know, from
maternity services to us being contacted by people who need
to go through our patients where they've gone for an appointment,
they're waiting for ours, then they don't actually get to
that appointment, to ambulances, age care, mental health issues, pject.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh god, how long ago now, it must be about
twenty years ago. To clean up the elective surgery wait list,
so we did a total examination, We went through it.
We got rid of duplication, so we got all of
that stuff and found that part of the challenge was
there were people on that list who were repeatedly being
asked if they would be able to do their surgery
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on a particular day. This is elective surgery, and it
was always oh no, I can't do it this day
or that day. And so we changed the way we
approach things, And I think when you talk about like
discussion papers are great, but I think we're well passed
discussion papers. And I am aware of a number of
consultations that were done during the time that labor and
government because I participated in them, that never went anywhere.
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So I think we know what the problems are, we
know what the issues are, and number of well then,
and we are actually actually already implementing in for two years.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And the health professionals will say, particularly the last twelve months,
it has gotten extremely worse in wait times for elective surgeries,
to see a doctor in an emergency department. The assaults
on our health workers over the last twelve months have skyrocketed,
and there's been a.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Number of the federal government and the territory governments of
both stripes never being able to properly work together.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean it.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Feels it does, because you know, we've got the private
hospital as well sitting there waiting to find out who
the new operator is without a maternity ward. Obviously, the
issues with RDH and the number of CO jellos been a.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Six last year alone.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Six CO actually did a paper on your code yellows.
So I think there were like.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You put it to the federal government that we're two
like the money that they provided fantastic, But that just
brings us back up to square one, according to John Daubers,
so it's like we're missing two hundred. Many of the
issues that are the unique issues that we have.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A lot of the issues that are noted in the
paper are programs that are already in play. This work
being done on mental health expansion, there's work being done
on infrastructure. The real issue for us is that we
have a system that has been struggling for two decades,
probably structing decades.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And there only eight million in this year budget.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
We're talking about the bigger infrastructure requirements for going forward.
So there was a plan.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
There was a plan infrastructure in this budget. So you
can't sit here today and say we're the best people
for health.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
We're going to deliverable.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Paul Henderson, You've wanted a thirty year plan for health,
for new infrastructure and new expansion, and none of it was.
Actually now we're doing the work that you failed to do.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
As a as an observer, is it over the last
six months, at least maybe the last year, I see
a heck of a lot of arguing between you know,
Luke Gosling's saying he's doing this or that, and then
Steve Edgington saying he's doing this all that, and all
the while Territorians are sending me emails like the one
that I received overnight saying Katie, I'm worried my husband's
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going to die. So all the talk, all the arguing,
I think needs to needs to stop and we actually
need to get together on this health issue. And I
get it right, like we've all got different views of
how to reach the finish line and how to deliver
in the best way possible. But for me, the people
that are hurting are everyday Territorians.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well, the very first thing we need to do is
make sure that our hospital, as it hasn't been able
to do over the last two decades, is be looking
after the people that should be in a QTE care system,
Like that's the requirement. So a QKRE hospital beds are
very expensive beds, so you don't want them occupied by
people who don't need that level of care. So that's
an absolutely critical thing. And to do that, we absolutely
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need much better age care infrastructure, and we need the
federal government to come to the party of that because
it's a federal government responsibility. That's what age care where
it sits, So that would make a huge difference to
the hospital, would make a huge difference to the staff,
it would make things far more efficient. And then we're
looking at the elective surgery wait lists and the way
in which we manage the throughput there. There are models
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of co location throughout the country and they have been
used here in the past and they've been very effective,
and I think there is a way to be innovative.
And I know that Minister Edgington is looking at all
of that, and the communities feeding into that is critically important,
and we hear the concerns. I myself spent several hours
in ed just recently with my dad, so I know
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the struggle that goes on. And I absolutely have the
greatest respect for the team that work there and understand
how challenging it can be, and they all do an
amazing job, and we will continue to work.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
To support Katie.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The great thing is I am absolutely passionate about health.
I want to get stuff moving. I've heard health professionals
this week say they feel like they're being ignored by
this government. It's eight million dollars. That's not going to
fix the infrastructure deficit. But you know what, I'm looking
forward to the Member for Port Darwin putting in a
submission to Labour's discussion.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think I'll just actually, do you know what, we
actually require my colleagues to make things continue to requested.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
A number of weeks ago, we actually wanted to do
a health a health panel because we've understood that this
is a big issue for some time. So we put
in a request probably a month or so ago, to
try and get Luke Gosling to try and get Steve
Edgington to try and get doctor John Zorbis on the
show to have that panel discussion to really nut out
some of the concerns that we've got. Zorbis was all go,
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but unfortunately the only one that we could lock in.
So we'll keep trying because I really do believe that
this is one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
For a lot of territory, will be the biggest issue
at this stage anyway going to the election.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Right, it doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing.
Health impacts everyone's life, whether it's responding to crime, whether
it's sponding to health, housing, education, jobs, lifestyle, every every needs.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break and
then we are going to talk a little bit more
about some of those other issues. We'll talk housing and
also talk a bit more about data centers and maybe
the federal government stepping in. You're listening to mix and
in the studio with us this morning. We've got Chancey Paig,
We've got Robin khl and we've got Kathleen Gazola and
we know the Northern Territory government this week launched a
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new housing strategy to address the territory's housing challenges, including
low home ownership rates and high dependency on public housing.
We know the Northern Territory has nearly three times the
rental rates of national figures, while overcrowding remains a major
issue in remote communities, as well as years long wait
times for public housing. Now, the Opposition hit out the
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strategy as a well as a policy that lacks substance
and detail and doesn't properly address the issues across the
Northern Territory. The Property Council welcome the strategy, but they've
also warned that the document lacks a hardh targets, deadlines
and accountability, needed to actively deliver more homes. Kathleen, we
spoke about it extensively with the Housing Minister earlier in
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the week, but yeah, not a lot of detail in
terms of those targets year on year. And look, I
know there's plenty of different factors that come into play,
but our public housing wait time some of them up
to nine years.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, it's crazy. And you know, obviously we mentioned earlier
in the week having sort of specific targets or timelines.
Obviously governments are then beholden to it and held to it.
It's very hard to meet that exact, especially in such
a complex area, but at least they give something to
really aim for. You can't really you know, an increase
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could be one, it could be two, it could be half,
Like that doesn't really cut the mustage.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, I think we know that. Like at its heart,
it's saying that we need to keep pace with the
opportunities that's coming with our economy, and we know that
we're going the trajectory around increased workforce et cetera. We
will need the house that so the timeline for those
requirements are over the next to ten years. So we
know that we have to have more housing available at
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least in the next two years. And so the first
element of that is you've got to have the land available.
I know one of the things that people say often
around the Darwin region not so much Palmitsan. There's some
great work being done there. There's the new suburb of Holts.
You know that project is absolutely steaming ahead. I was
out there a couple of weeks back, and I was
there a year ago, and I cannot believe just how quickly.
(31:31):
And it demonstrates that things can happen very quickly if
you release the land, you make that available, you make
it affordable. On the back of the other programs we
have in place around home ownership, we have seen a
massive uptake and it's something that's been really positive. But
the other component is we also have to recognize we
need affordable housing. And I can tell you that I've
(31:51):
on the back of the investment summit that we just had,
there are a number of proponents who are very keen
to look at projects in the Northern Territory around affordable
house which is where the land availability becomes very critical.
So it's hard. It's saying we know what we need
to do and we are making it so that the
framework makes it possible to achieve that. Why not set
(32:13):
those targets to have something to show, like, you know
we did this, so now we've achieved this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You're talking about making yourself accountable.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, Katie, that is the most gaminous plan or
strategy I have ever seen. There is nothing in there
that will hold the government to account to increase the
housing services or availability in the territory. We know we're
in a housing crisis. We know that there's the Housing
Australia Future Fund, the half ten billion dollars and this
(32:42):
government hasn't even been able to secure one hundred and
fifty million dollars of that. That's money that Canberra are
actually throwing at the territory saying take some of this
money to build.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
And there are projects in the pipeline have.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So successfully got money Round one, Round three that's open
now yas Canbra. Not one cent has been applied at
the moment by the CLP.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So one of the challenges that is a.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Giant epic failure.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
One of the challenges that we're not allowed to use
it for vision to.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Do the hard work and help organizations in small businesses.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
There are some securificing constraints around that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We have not to be building so the ground increase,
bedrooms in remote houses, not new houses. We don't want
multiple generations living in one house. We want them to
have their own house.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Look this, I think this is a huge issue. There's
no doubt about it when it comes to housing. Just
on the point that you're making. You got to do
the head the head to get free cash, then to
build homes, you'd be prepared to actually do the head.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't think, you know, I don't think there's anything
free anywhere. Definitely is we have you know that we've
had six hundred applications for new home builds under our
homeowner scheme, which is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Not everybody can afford that. Not everybody's in that situation.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So Katie, that's actually not entirely true what Robin is saying.
There is Commonwealth funding available to build homes, there's Commonwealth
funding available to help with subdivisions and getting small businesses
out there to develop this. We've seen it happen already
in Catherine with Katherine East. We've seen works happen in
kil Gareff. You've got holts, you've got potential of Kuwandy here.
(34:25):
But what we haven't seen is that round three. We're
still waiting for the CLP to actually put in an
application and ask Canberra for these billions of dollars ten
billion dollars in that housing fund.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So how are we in a situation where we're not
capitalizing on it?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Robin Well, I think I think that with respect to
the Membaha Goyger, I think you know, he might think
he knows everything that's going on in the world, but
he doesn't. There is a lot of work being done
in that space, and I know relying edging has been
very hard on the approach to affordable housing. There's a
couple of projects that are in the pipeline that are
(35:00):
partnerships with private sector investors, which is really important because
the bottom line is you want to know that you
can deliver, so you don't want to go, oh, let's
go for that and grab that money and then they're
not delivered in a few years time, not.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
To live totally get that. But how many are we talking.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well, because of the involvement of private investors, I can't
reveal their plans.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So are we talking their community housing or are we
talk which affordable housing. Yes, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Katie Katy again, let's just be really clear. The Housing
Australia Future Fund is a ten billion dollar fund. The
NT has only secured one hundred and thirty nine million
dollars for one hundred and sixty two houses in round
one and two, and so far in round three they
haven't applied for anything.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So we got to be honest.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Robin doesn't want to believe Canberra, then get Steve Edgington
to come out and tell us what the actual value
is that the CLP have secured under the Housing Australia
Future Fund for territories so that we can get people
in the market.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We want to hear from Sedgington.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We've had an increasing come out and tell it almost
fifty percent. So in the last.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Approvals are going to build money, will get houses built.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Where is residential what we need? Almost a fifty percent
increases so strong as great, We're going off.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A very high low though, because I know that over
the years we really haven't been delivering a huge amount
when it comes to community or I'm happy about.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Why don't we If the CLP were serious.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
About it, they would have put it in their gam
and plan, but instead they haven't committed to anything documents.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So we've got the discussion of paper on health, discussion
paper em.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Your microphones down in a seconds.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I thought, let's just get Steve Edgington to roll out
and tell us the exact value. How much money has
CLP secured through under the Housing Australia Future Fund for
Territorians to get into a home, whether it's social or
for audible.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We certainly we will make sure that we follow that
up because I do want to move along. There is
so much to discuss this morning, and I don't want
to don't want to wrap up without talking about these
data centers. Now we know the Federal Energy Minister, Chris
Bowen has taken aim at the Northern Territory's push to
become a data center hub, warning that gas only projects
(37:21):
won't be allowed under new national rules. So speaking at
the National Press Club, mister Bowen says the Commonwealth is
going to use its legislative powers to stop states and
territories from approving data centers that rely solely on gas,
saying they won't meet minimum national standards. His comments really
do cast out over a proposed power gas powered data
(37:42):
center at WIDELL. I mean This is an interesting situation
that we find ourselves in. We've got the gas, they're
ready to power up a data center, but it seems
like the federal government saying not going to allow it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Robin, here's the reality for the federal government. And I
understand that you know, over the past decade or so
that Australia has had major issues around energy security, major
concerns about the drain on the East Coast power grid
with massive builds, particularly around data centers. That is not
(38:15):
an issue for the Northern territory. I appreciate that it's
only really been in the last eighteen months or so
that the reality of the ability for us to realize
what is the largest onshore gas uncontracted gas deposit in
the world, with sufficient gas to keep Australia powered for
two centuries as a minimum. I understand that getting that
(38:37):
message through has taken a bit of push and effort,
but the reality is we've got this gas reserve that
enables us to be the powerhouse in data centers to
supply our allies and the region, and which is critical,
particularly as the advent of AI is rapidly growing and
has become such a critical component of so many things,
(38:58):
particularly around security for our region, that they just need
to understand that this gas is very low carbon, it's
a fantastic transitional power I don't think there's a data
center operator that I've spoken to who doesn't in their
plan have the intention to use a blend of gas
and renewables, but they have also got the reality of
(39:21):
that if you want to get it going, and you
want to get it going quickly, and it's critical, particularly
on the back of the situation in the Middle East,
is gas is the logical way to go. We need
to be doing it now. It's not going to impact
the Northern Territory's power grid because everything is behind the grid.
It's a direct relationship with the suppliers and our allies,
particularly the US is saying we need to have data
(39:43):
centers that we can rely on the security of and
the Northern Territory is a really obvious place.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Do you think that we're going to be able to
reach some kind of agreement with the federal government on
this or are they going to step in and go no, sorry,
like these are our rules, this is what we're doing
right across Australia.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I think we will absolutely continue to push back because
this is the Northern Territory. In the Northern this is
the game changer for the Northern Territory. We have all
of the elements that we need to be able to
do this, and we can do it in such a
way that there's a minimal risk to our power supply
for the country as well as for the Northern Territory.
And like it. Just I know, people, renewables as a
(40:21):
target one hundred percent isn't a great aspirational goal, but
renewables are intermittent power supplies. They are not well.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We've had a situation in the territory before where our
system has failed. When you know, when things haven't gone
well with solo, Like.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Let's be clear what Chris Bowen is talking about is
it's nationally so it's not just the Northern Territory that happens.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
We've got the gas that they and they and they
don't need to worry about gas because we will give.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Them advice from someone who talks about the world flipping
on its axis.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Oh my god, you don't have a sense of humor either.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Actually, listen to the expers.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I thought you had a sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
There are people who are absolutely able to do this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
We can.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
We know we can take energy. We're looking at taking
the sun rays from the beautiful Barkley to power Singapore.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
You like the rest of us, get the ships. If
bloody camera tries to step in and tell us what
to do, and and.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I'll find your sense of humor minute after we finish
here today. I don't think, you know, let's talk about some.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
There is this is part of a national commitment to
do there's a national agreement the government here in the territory.
They think they can have a conversation with Chris Bowen
and Canberra to look at a solution, then let's let's
have that question.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And we'll be having that conversation. And what we're saying
to him is that but you know, we understand, like
we absolutely understand the concerns that have been plaguing the
East Coast for the last few years. We absolutely understand that.
And as I said, up until we came into power,
the reality of being able to deliver on Beterloo was very,
very gray, very grey. We've immediately stepped in and made
(42:13):
that happen in less than in just in a month,
Territory gas will be powering territory homes. That is extraordinary.
That is extraordinary, and that is the game change of
for us. And we're saying to the East coast, and
I can tell you that my colleagues in other states
and territories have started to realize we don't need to
(42:34):
make it difficult for territory guests to get up. We
need to actually make it happen.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
They need to talk to the they need nuclear energy.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
They need to stop building import terminals.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
We take a step back though, like I think talking
about data centers is a good conversation to have because
people out in the suburbs of Darwin or Palmerston or
Tenant Creek and anywhere else don't actually know what to
involved in running a data center, whether it's the energy,
whether it's the water, what requirements it has. It's a
new concept to people. We need to have those conversations saying.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
The language that he was using was very much about, well,
if you don't agree with the Commonwealth, where you're going
to do it right towards the normal ritory, which it
wasn't talking about having a conversation, and it was very
much like, well, you know you're outvoted, you just need
to kind of crack on and get on board, you know,
so that immediately.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
We absolutely want to partnership because we actually can solve
the security, the energy security for our country indefinitely. Like
there is that is the I know it's really hard
to wrap your head around, but that is the quantum
of the gas that we've got available, and it provides
us with the perfect mechanism to move towards renewables in
(43:52):
the future. And who knows what it's going to look
like in fifty years time, it's probably going to be
even different again, you know, as batteries get smaller and
green energy grows, we.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Are going to have to take a very quick break.
We've run out of time in here this morning. You
Bob are very vocal, which I love, We love, will
take a really quick break. You are listening to Mix.
You are listening to Mix on O four nine's three six.
It is the week that was, and we've run out
of time we always do in here. But I'll tell
you what. Everybody's been on fire this morning. Chancey Peige,
(44:23):
the member for Guadga, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Before we before we end, Robin and I are both
you know, trendsetting here with our fashion this morning. It's
all things arts this week in the Northern Territory. The
National Aboriginal Too Artawarod is tonight down at the museum,
and the National Digit's Music Awards.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
No doubt we all all be.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Down there shaking a boot tail feather, that's what we're
calling it on radio.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
And Darwin and fashion week as well.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
There's so much we have country. Yeah, it's all been
about the clothes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Listening here, don't give me any excuse this. The more
money on clothes. Kathleen and I are already out of control.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Talking to the wrong We're going to say you spend, spend.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Exactly, and I'm going to I'm going to apologize the
head for putting this picture in people's heads. But Sunday
it's going to be thecra because it's the sun Bill
ground wonder already. I may not I may not be
on the week that was ever again because I may
not survive. But I'm going to be right. I'm going
to do the forty three.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
K Robin, are you going to be in the orange?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 5 (45:34):
When we go for orange and Oka.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
You know, good for you flag, That's what I'll be wearing.
I'll be keen to hear how your how your glutes
and your quads are feeling on Monday. Might be a
little bit sore after something.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I think I might need to book in that message
immediately finished.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
She might be calling, she might be.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Some recovery.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
You have actually got somebody on standby to come and
rescue me if it's get halfway around and go, I
can't do it.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
It's a bit like horse riding when we do our events.
The day later you were like, oh, I didn't even
know I had.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Muscles there exactly. Oh well, good luck with that, and
I'm sure it'll be fantastic with Grand Fondo. It's always
a wonderful Ben.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Shout out to the Darwin Family Law firm because they
actually shame us into doing it by offering to sponsor
to donate to our favorite charity.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Oh that's a good idea, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
And Katie, I almost forgot. Next week is the Calgarriinji
Freedom Day Festival. Sixty years since the waves. He will
walk off the birth of land rights.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So great.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
I know that I'll be down there with Duran and Manual.
I think Steve Edgington will be down as well. You
know another great. You know, there really is the festival
time in the Teri.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
We might have to try and cross to you from
or across to you or whoever next week you can
so locally we can get you both online. Ask about
those housing numbers as well. Kathleen, stick around. We're going
to do the news after this break. Thank you so
much for your time this morning. You are listening to
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