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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's doctor Justin Coilson here. Over the weekend, there's been
devastating news that you have almost certainly heard about coming
out of Bondai and just horrific, tragic sort of stuff.
I'm going to be addressing that tomorrow on the podcast.
We have a sponsored podcast today that has to go
on as per our typical planning program, but I just
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wanted to highlight today's podcast. As per normal tomorrow we'll
address how to talk to the kids about this awful
tragic situation. Okay, so on with the podcast. It's the
Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The time poor parent who just wants answers.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Now, millennial parents are difference to gen X parents. I've
said it. I've made the call. The world is different
in twenty twenty four to how it was back in
the nineties when we started out parenting journey. Kylie, you
and I were born in the seventies where gen x's
that sounds so I just as I said it, I thought,
oh my goodness, I feel like I just choked a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You might as well said we were born in the fifties,
like it feels that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Hold. No, we definitely work, but you know what, we're
closer to twenty fifty than we are to like nineteen
eighty that's or nineteen ninety even. But I digress. We've
been watching our We've been watching our millennial daughter and
her husband raise their baby, who's a little over six
months old now, and they're doing it differently, like gen
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's parenting, totally different to millennial parenting. That's what we're
talking about today. A bunch of differences. How it's changed.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The first obvious change is the digital infusion.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, just social media screens.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's literally taken over our lives.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I just think about it from it. I mean, there's
the whole sharing, right, So there's gender reveals, there's Facebook
and Instagram and TikTok and all that sort of stuff.
There's family chats. Like back in the nineteen nineties, the
idea of a family chat, it didn't exist. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
A little while ago, I found a random box that
clearly hadn't been unpacked, and as I was going through it,
I found some old letters and when I.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Sorry pause for those of you who are younger, letters,
these things that we used to use, snail mail. I
don't even know if the new generation would not snail
mail is I mean anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So go on, and inside those letters were some old
photos that I had sent of the children to their
grandparents when they were babies.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
What do you mean, Like you found an iPad in
the box and there was some photos on there.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, once upon a time you literally had you had
a film with camera, I know, and you didn't even
know what was on that film, and you would go
and get this lucky dip of photos that may or
may not have worked.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
How many photographs do you reckon have been taken of
our grand daughter compared to how many photos were taken
of our first daughter. Like we literally would take some
photos digital photography existed in the late nineties and she
was born, but that we took a handful of photos
and then we would email them or we would get
them printed and send them to family in envelopes via
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the post, right. I mean, that's one of the huge
differences with this digital infusion family group chats, the ability to.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Share your life with other people regardless of where they live,
friction free. That's huge.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The other thing that I would say with the digital infusion,
now that you've brought that up, is just this issue
of like when we didn't know what to do. We
just didn't know what to do, and we would make
an appointment with the doctor or a child health nurse,
or we would make a phone called a mom or
grandma and we would have a chat about them, whereas
today we've got from literally no advice to chat GPT
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for crying out loud.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
In so many ways, it's actually information overload. If I
wanted to find something out as a young mum, like
you said, you talk to someone, or I'd go to
the library and.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Pick up a book, borrow book from the library.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But now I open up my feed and clearly Facebook
knows that I'm a grandparent because all my feed is
is how to entertain a six month old? How to
feed a six month old? Like, regardless of whether I
want that information, it is there. And the pressure that
young parents are feeling is they watch everybody doing life
seemingly so much better than them.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, so there's a I guess the digital infusion also
comes with some downsides, But regardless, that is a huge
difference for millennials to are parents today versus what we
were going through when we had our children back in
the late nineties and early two thousands. The second idea
for me when I'm looking at kids today is just content.
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Content on demand. Do you remember when the kid's favorite
TV show would come on? You mean the Wiggles, Well
that in play School. I mean, but Blue didn't exist
back then, right, there was no such thing as Blue.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
With Sesame Street.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
The Wiggles were brand new. When we had our first
baby's we went to the content that's making me feel. Okay,
let's let's move on. I don't like. I don't like
that feeling.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Are there actually any original Wiggles left?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, I don't. I don't know. I mean, we're a
little bit out of that demographic now. But the point is,
nine o'clock in the morning you had to be sitting
in front of the TV so that you can catch
play School. And if you missed it, too bad, so sad,
you'll have to wait till tomorrow. There was no such
thing as content on demand.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Time programming, actually time programming.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
That sounds so strange, what is that?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
At the time, it was probably really really tricky to
live through. But as I look at what our kids
are living through now, I miss timed programming.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it provided a structure
and man that the kids knew, well, this is my
TV time. The conversation about how much screen time is
too much. I know that people have wrestled with the
whole screen time question for years and years and years,
but it was so much easier to say, well, there's
a natural conclusion to this. Right now, we don't have
all we don't have a screen in your hand that
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you can dial up something new to watch because you're
bored with this thing. It was like, well, play school
goes from nine till nine point thirty, and there is
a natural conclusion to this, so we are going to
go and do other things when play school is over.
Whereas now you can sit down and watch I know,
Blue only goes for about seven minutes, but you can
watch approximately one hundred episodes of Blue because they're all there.
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It's all that content on demand. Big contrast, you know what,
It was just maybe extending that a fraction. The other
thing that stands out to me around that is our entertainment,
or our kids entertainment if they were born twenty twenty
five years ago, was with each other and it was outside.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I remember when our eldest was three, she used to
walk two houses down the street to her friend's place.
Her neighbour at three years of age used to call
her the neighborhood events coordinator, right, because there's a three
year old She's like, Okay, well, I'm going to come
play with you today at your house, but then tomorrow
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you can come to my house, and then the next
day I'll come back to your house. Like she had
it all planned out. But we don't see that now,
like that would be considered very strange.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm really grateful. I'm really grateful. Where we live on
the Sunshine Coast, we do see kids riding their bikes
around the streets. We do see kids. It's kind of
that coastal vibe, and so people do let their kids
walk down to the beach or walk down to the shops.
But it's pretty rare. You don't see a lot of that.
It usually happens in either smaller country towns, smaller regional centers.
Doesn't happen so much in the cities. Very very unusual.
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And that play based childhood is a really big difference.
I mean, today it's a screen based childhood. That's the reality.
It's shifted so much comparing millennial parents to Gen X parents.
The third thing that really stands out to both of
us is the demographic shift.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Generally speaking, older today than they were back when we were.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You're exactly right. If we have a look at research
from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, back in
nineteen ninety nine, which is when we had our first one,
average age of first time mums was twenty seven, which
was still sort of getting up there. We know that
mum's best biological years for having a child during the twenties.
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Right as you get into the thirties, it gets harder
and more challenging. In fact, what's the word for it.
If you're over thirty five and you're having a baby.
They call it like aatric a geriatric pregnancy, which doesn't
sound very nice, does it, But that's well, you.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Were born in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Just saying thank you so much for anyway, Twenty seven
was the average age of a first time mum back
when we had our first baby. Today it's gone up
to well just touching on, just nudging thirty years of
age for first time mums on average. That's average, not me,
And that's the average age of a first time mum.
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And with that demographic shift and older parents. There's a
couple of other things that go along with that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I was just thinking about your university experience and the
acknowledgment that as a mature age student going into university,
you were just better equipped to deal with the challenges
that were presented to you.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And when you think about the experiences that we have
as parents, there is the notion that with a little
bit more maturity and life experience dealing with the challenges
that parenting throws your way.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
This is how you apologize to our children. We had
your bit young, we started too early.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I definitely look at the experiences that we've had as
parents and can see the shift as our maturity and
our learning.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, and there is some research. Again we're talking about
averages here, but there is some research that shows that
older parents tend to do a better job with their
parenting because they're older, they're mature, They're better at frustration, tolerance,
delayed gratification. There are some disadvantages to it as well,
let's not gloss over those, but there are definitely so
advantages and that really does show up the other demographic shifts,
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not only older parents, but smaller families double double incomes,
because you need a double income to buy a house
today because the economy is what it is. That's a disaster.
We're not going to go into that, but comparing millennial
parents to Gen x's definitely seeing that shift to older
parenting and to smaller families with double incomes, which is
kind of interesting because when I look at our daughter
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who is in her early the mid twenties and her husband,
they're definitely on the young side to be parents. But
I'll tell you what, and this is the fourth thing
that I wanted to highlight, the final thing that I
wanted to highlight. When I compare Gen X parents to
millennial parents, I just think they're doing a great job.
I think they're doing a way better job than we did.
Maybe it's because they're a bit older, maybe it's because
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the families are a bit smaller, but I think it's
more than that. I just think there's a different level
of investment and a different level of engagement involvement care.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I think the greatest legacy any parent wants to leave
behind is to see their kids able to be better
in every facet of life than we were able to be.
Totally and as I look at our daughter and her
husband and see how much more engaged they are with
their daughter, how much they push against the gender stereotypes,
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and the way in which specifically Jared's.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I was going to say, you're really talking about him,
he's just doing a great job. You're looking at him,
going hm, Justin didn't quite get that right.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But across the board when we got married, dads didn't
really get that heavily involved. It was very unusual to
have a dad that was hands on the way these
kids are today.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I think the shift was beginning, but it's really
in full swing now or watching it. I'm watching it
at workshops that I run. When I first started running
workshops fifteen years ago, I reckon about ten percent of
the audience was that. Today I think it's close to
the thirty to forty percent. Definitely, mums are still in
the majority, but the gap is closing. And it's beautiful
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watch Melani your parents, especially melanial dads. As long as
you're safe and healthy, you are kicking goals. And it's
so so good to watch it. And you know what
I love most about this, Kylie, I watched Jared with
Indy with this beautiful little six month old baby girl,
and I see the delight that he has in her
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and in his wife, in our daughter Chanel, and it's, oh,
my goodness. It's like you said, this is the dream
for a parent to see their kids grow up, and
nail it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
When you talk to me the other day as we
were prepping for this and just acknowledged to me that
they were doing it better than us, it was like
you had stuck a dagger in my heart, just that
feeling of going on. But I did everything I could.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not bagging out parents that
have gone before, not at all.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But as I sat there and I let that thought marinate,
I'm filled with so much joy, absolutely so much joy
to see that she's taken the things that we did
right and added to them, and she's learned from the
things we got wrong, and she's decided that she's not
going down that road. And I just I love that.
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I love that she's able to see that and do that,
and that we get to have a front row seat
and we don't have to wait for the snail mail
to show up and to get the photos, and I
don't even have to miss a day because even if.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
We're not every single day fast.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Time, cause let me see it in real time. It's
just such a delight.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Big differences and millennial parents. I think for the most part,
you are nailing it, doing so well. You know what,
genex's don't feel bad, you're doing okay as well. Okay,
you're really doing it because if your kids are doing well,
that means that you've done something right. And it's just
it's great to watch. Thanks so much for listening to
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