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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've had great debate forming another one.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, we're just reading an article today an advertiser, and
they're saying that hundreds of parents head overseas every year
to undergo the controversial practice of gender selections.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It's currently not legal in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I can't do it, but so the people are going
overseas to say, yeah, I want a boy or I
want a girl.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, it's an IVF thing, and you can go over
and like in the States, for example, there's a couple
of people who do it and it is legal, and
you can choose and they can say boy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Coming up, and it costs forty five thousand dollars in
your oban.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I find this so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I know in Australia there are exceptions when your child
might be at a high risk if it was of
a disability or something, if it was of a certain gender.
There are little exceptions like that. But and that's fair enough,
but do you know how hard it is to get
pregnant in the first place. Getting pregnant is hard, and
(01:02):
then having to go, oh, yeah, I just want to
go and have a boy. I just find that so
dangerous on so many levels. Not dangerous for the person
like as in like health wise but dangerous in like
the imbalance of genders with nature. Yeah, and I always
think like the irony of things. If you go overseas
and you're like, yeah, I really want a boy, right,
(01:22):
and then that boy grows up to be transgender and
wants to be a girl.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, sure, like there's all statistically that's a very low shock.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, but there are those things happening. If you like,
do you find it weird?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I agree with you that nature exists for a reason. Yeah,
and we've got this far as a human society. But
it would be nice to be able to choose. It's
nice to be able to choose things. We have scientific
advancements all the time and things that weren't possible ten
years ago, Like oh, actually, now that I can choose that,
maybe I wouldn't mind choosing to have a boy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But also for the other kids going oh, yes, Mum
wanted to have a girl and you're a boy like
the other kids in the family.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just find it's so weird people have that now
just a baby and be happy with having a child.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
People, healthy child.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
You do, you do have the child, and you are
happy with it, even if it's not the gender you want.
Everyone's always like, yeah, of course I love my baby,
But what if you could choose. This is the whole
point of scientific advancement.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
But if you could.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Choose, Okay, if you could choose, I would say that
most of my friends would choose to have a girl, right,
so if because they just do girls, I'm not this
is this is a massive generalization.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You hate men, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I love born boys. I wanted boys.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So but most of my friends are like, I hope
it's a girl. I hope it's a girl. And people
always say to me, or if you have a third
you hope it's a girl. I'm like, no, I just
hope I have a healthy baby.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't really care. I'd like to have at least
one boy. Wouldn't we have children?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, but I think you would change as soon as
you become a dad.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I get out would change. I'm not doubting that. Like,
if if we got pregnant and it was a girl, girl,
you would love it, love It'd be awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, But right now, without any plans to be pregnant
next week, if you told me to pick a gender,
I'd say, maybe I prefer a boy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So, but this is where the fights would come with parents,
because I reckon most women would go girl, most guys
want a boy. And then there's the fight of like, well,
what do we choose anyway? Why don't we just let
nature happen? I think you can see what happens happened.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think even it costs so much money you have
to go over. There's not that many people that are
going to do it. It's not going to affect the
imbalance of earth.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Why is it so important forty five thousand dollars to
have a boy or a girl?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Will you be that disappointed? Do you know the worst
part about this article? They're just saying a Melbourne IVF
medical director has said the amount of patients who conceive
naturally but terminated a pregnancy based on the sex of
their baby.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
People do that.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Can you imagine the people that just like are trying
to get pregnant, they hear those.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Stories, those feel unlucky. That's so ungrateful.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Oh I'm so ungrateful.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
If you're out there later and this is striking a
chord with you, please turtly one, O, two three. If
you are as passionate about this as Haley and I, Ah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Guess like you've had like, say, five boys, and you
really want a girl.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But even then, but I still wouldn't you Still I wouldn't.
I'd still let nature decide.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
We've got people calling in on thirteen and one, two
three to join us on this debate. Allison in Dover Gardens.
You've got a mate overseas in Canada that did this.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, So she had two boys to start with naturally,
and then decided she really wanted a girl, so she
went over to the US and had the procedure, and
because of a medical condition, she only got one viable
egg and it ended up being a male.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh so it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, it's not that it didn't work, it's just she
didn't get enough eggs to be able to choose.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
So she had one viable egg, which was a male,
so they decided not to use it. It's still frozen, I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And then they.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Tried naturally for a third because they thought, well, maybe
if we just try again, we'll get a female, and
ended up having a male baby a few months.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Like a year later, just got strong male swimmers in
those jeans.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Hate to know growing up that my mum and dad
were disappointing with who I was.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's not disappointed, it is like, if you can, it's
the third one along.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But forty five thousand dollars there's a lot of investment
to pick a gender.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
They're very happy with their three boys from what I know,
but I think it would have been nice if they
think it would have been nice to have a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I remember there's there's a there's a thing that you
can do to increase your chances of it being a
boy as to when you conceive. So when you're ovulating,
it's like, I can't remember that if it's like earlier
or later, but if you do at the beginning of ovulation,
there's more chances that it's one or.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
The other the time that you getting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So people try that because they want to have a I.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Think that they're all sorts of wives tales. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They say the sporting of the man, then they have
all boys.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I can't remember boys.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Then you know, thank you Allison, appreciate that. That's interesting perspective.
Sabrina in Burton. What do you reckon? Hi?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
I think you get what you get. Really, I don't
think you should be choosing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, yeah, why do you think that's.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Well, my partner Chris and I have been trying for
the past five years to get pregnant and I have
still been unex successful. Yeah, we've gone through you know,
IVF and everything, and just because we're a little bit older,
we've pretty much been told that we will not have
(06:30):
any chances of ever getting pregnant. We still try naturally,
but so when I hear stories like this where people
already have babies, but then they are now trying to
choose this gender of their baby, it just makes me
really frustrated, because how lucky are you that you've got
them where I don't have so many people like me
(06:52):
who have tried and tried and tried with no success.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, that's your you and the millions of other people
going through exactly what you're going through.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Is exactly what I thought this morning when I read
this story.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, it's heartbreaking for Sabrina. She's in a different situation
to other people.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Though. We had Jonathan right in who couldn't join us
on the line.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He said he already has two girls and he would
love his final child.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
They're only gonna have three. He would love it to
be a boy.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So if he's given the option to have a boy,
you're robbing him that chance.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just think you're messing with nature. Just let it
run its course.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I don't think we're going to answer everyone's questions today.
We're just going to arguing.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We don't like arguing, do we we love each other?
We've had great debate forming another one.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, we're just reading an article today an advertiser, and
they're saying that hundreds of parents head overseas every year
to undergo the controversial practice of gender selections.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It's currently not legal in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I can't do it, but so the people are going
overseas to say, yeah, I want a boy or I
want a girl.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, it's an IVF thing, and you can go over
and like in the States, for example, there's a couple
of people who do it and it is legal, and
you can choose and they can say boy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Coming up, and it costs forty five thousand dollars in
your oban.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I find this so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I know in Australia there are exceptions when your child
might be at a high risk if it was of
a disability or something, if it was of a certain gender.
There are little exceptions like that. But and that's fair enough,
but do you know how hard it is to get
pregnant in the first place. Getting pregnant is hard, and
(01:02):
then having to go, oh, yeah, I just want to
go and have a boy. I just find that so
dangerous on so many levels. Not dangerous for the person
like as in like health wise but dangerous in like
the imbalance of genders with nature. Yeah, and I always
think like the irony of things. If you go overseas
and you're like, yeah, I really want a boy, right,
(01:22):
and then that boy grows up to be transgender and
wants to be a girl.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, sure, like there's all statistically that's a very low shock.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, but there are those things happening. If you like,
do you find it weird?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I agree with you that nature exists for a reason. Yeah,
and we've got this far as a human society. But
it would be nice to be able to choose. It's
nice to be able to choose things. We have scientific
advancements all the time and things that weren't possible ten
years ago, Like oh, actually, now that I can choose that,
maybe I wouldn't mind choosing to have a boy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But also for the other kids going oh, yes, Mum
wanted to have a girl and you're a boy like
the other kids in the family.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just find it's so weird people have that now
just a baby and be happy with having a child.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
People, healthy child.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
You do, you do have the child, and you are
happy with it, even if it's not the gender you want.
Everyone's always like, yeah, of course I love my baby,
But what if you could choose. This is the whole
point of scientific advancement.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
But if you could.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Choose, Okay, if you could choose, I would say that
most of my friends would choose to have a girl, right,
so if because they just do girls, I'm not this
is this is a massive generalization.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You hate men, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I love born boys. I wanted boys.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So but most of my friends are like, I hope
it's a girl. I hope it's a girl. And people
always say to me, or if you have a third
you hope it's a girl. I'm like, no, I just
hope I have a healthy baby.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't really care. I'd like to have at least
one boy. Wouldn't we have children?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, but I think you would change as soon as
you become a dad.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I get out would change. I'm not doubting that. Like,
if if we got pregnant and it was a girl, girl,
you would love it, love It'd be awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, But right now, without any plans to be pregnant
next week, if you told me to pick a gender,
I'd say, maybe I prefer a boy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So, but this is where the fights would come with parents,
because I reckon most women would go girl, most guys
want a boy. And then there's the fight of like, well,
what do we choose anyway? Why don't we just let
nature happen? I think you can see what happens happened.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think even it costs so much money you have
to go over. There's not that many people that are
going to do it. It's not going to affect the
imbalance of earth.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Why is it so important forty five thousand dollars to
have a boy or a girl?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Will you be that disappointed? Do you know the worst
part about this article? They're just saying a Melbourne IVF
medical director has said the amount of patients who conceive
naturally but terminated a pregnancy based on the sex of
their baby.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
People do that.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Can you imagine the people that just like are trying
to get pregnant, they hear those.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Stories, those feel unlucky. That's so ungrateful.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Oh I'm so ungrateful.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
If you're out there later and this is striking a
chord with you, please turtly one, O, two three. If
you are as passionate about this as Haley and I, Ah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Guess like you've had like, say, five boys, and you
really want a girl.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But even then, but I still wouldn't you Still I wouldn't.
I'd still let nature decide.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
We've got people calling in on thirteen and one, two
three to join us on this debate. Allison in Dover Gardens.
You've got a mate overseas in Canada that did this.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, So she had two boys to start with naturally,
and then decided she really wanted a girl, so she
went over to the US and had the procedure, and
because of a medical condition, she only got one viable
egg and it ended up being a male.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh so it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, it's not that it didn't work, it's just she
didn't get enough eggs to be able to choose.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
So she had one viable egg, which was a male,
so they decided not to use it. It's still frozen, I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And then they.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Tried naturally for a third because they thought, well, maybe
if we just try again, we'll get a female, and
ended up having a male baby a few months.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Like a year later, just got strong male swimmers in
those jeans.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Hate to know growing up that my mum and dad
were disappointing with who I was.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's not disappointed, it is like, if you can, it's
the third one along.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But forty five thousand dollars there's a lot of investment
to pick a gender.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
They're very happy with their three boys from what I know,
but I think it would have been nice if they
think it would have been nice to have a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I remember there's there's a there's a thing that you
can do to increase your chances of it being a
boy as to when you conceive. So when you're ovulating,
it's like, I can't remember that if it's like earlier
or later, but if you do at the beginning of ovulation,
there's more chances that it's one or.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
The other the time that you getting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So people try that because they want to have a I.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Think that they're all sorts of wives tales. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They say the sporting of the man, then they have
all boys.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I can't remember boys.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Then you know, thank you Allison, appreciate that. That's interesting perspective.
Sabrina in Burton. What do you reckon? Hi?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
I think you get what you get. Really, I don't
think you should be choosing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, yeah, why do you think that's.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Well, my partner Chris and I have been trying for
the past five years to get pregnant and I have
still been unex successful. Yeah, we've gone through you know,
IVF and everything, and just because we're a little bit older,
we've pretty much been told that we will not have
(06:30):
any chances of ever getting pregnant. We still try naturally,
but so when I hear stories like this where people
already have babies, but then they are now trying to
choose this gender of their baby, it just makes me
really frustrated, because how lucky are you that you've got
them where I don't have so many people like me
(06:52):
who have tried and tried and tried with no success.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, that's your you and the millions of other people
going through exactly what you're going through.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Is exactly what I thought this morning when I read
this story.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, it's heartbreaking for Sabrina. She's in a different situation
to other people.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Though. We had Jonathan right in who couldn't join us
on the line.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He said he already has two girls and he would
love his final child.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
They're only gonna have three. He would love it to
be a boy.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So if he's given the option to have a boy,
you're robbing him that chance.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just think you're messing with nature. Just let it
run its course.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I don't think we're going to answer everyone's questions today.
We're just going to arguing.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We don't like arguing, do we we love each other?
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