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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Robin and in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We have a special guest in the studio who's brad
yours Corey.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
He's a great friend of mine, doctor John Paul Kou.
I don't know if I can introduce him because of
all the creditations he has, but him, he's honestly just
a guy that he probably saved my career, just brought
me back from a really low place and yeah, made
things a lot clearer for myself, and honestly, just yeah,
(00:29):
it made me realize that I was a different person
at one stage in my life and he's helped me
get back to being who I am.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So so JP at this point, just quickly run through
what you do and.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Who you are. I'm a psychiatrist. We have a practice
at TUAM and I've been doing this job for over
three decades now. I think I was trying to figure out.
My first psychiatric job was in nineteen ninety three, so
I've been doing this for probably since before you were born.
I was ninety four and so my career has been
in forensic psychiatry, rehab psychiatry, neuropsychiatry early, but now it's
(01:06):
it's mainly out patient private psychiatry. We've got a big,
big practice. We have twenty five psychiatrists and we run
a few community programs. So I'm very happy to talk
to anything relating to mental health and advocate for our
patients and our population.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Because it was this time last week that we were
talking about ADHD and we thought there was so much
conversation around it, and we were kind of discussed where
the kip you thought you might be ADHD, And we
had so many calls in such a positive response, we thought, well,
let's take it to the next level and bring someone
rather than us just floundering around.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, yeah, I and I tossed up John Paul And
it's just because you know, even when he did get
me back and I started playing you the forty that
I knew I could play again. And so where were you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
At in your career when you first.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Met the Worst? Yeah, I was at the start of
that season. What year was it, I think it was nineteen,
I believe, I can't remember. I can't remember the exact year,
but I was probably the best player in the winger,
one of the best wingers in the game, and towards
the end of that year, I just went to the
Worst and just disappeared and fell off. And I knew
I had ad H as a kid, but I'd never
(02:19):
thought that it would be part of the reason why
you couldn't get out of a out of a hole.
And yeah, look, I was lucky enough to know a
few people and that got me straight on to John
Paul and he made me realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And when you say a whole is it like depression.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Or well, I believe that's yeah, I think. I think
John Paul said that with that, there's a number of
things that float around ADHD, the anxiety, low self esteem,
low mood, not saying that these are all diagnoses primary
diagnoses in and of themselves, but they're often secondary to
the symptoms and manifestations and consequences of the syndrome like ADHD.
(02:57):
So in some people circumstance, the depression can be very
very severe secondary to that, and that's can be what
brings people along to attention. But when you look at
the human in front of you and what is the
nature of the problem, when is it come from, and
how can we prevent this in the future, you start
looking at what underlies it. And that was the scenario
(03:18):
here that the primary problem and it had been long standing.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I remember I sat down for five minutes and
I said, oh, we start in our test, and he goes,
I don't really need to test much.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I do think I was quite that mean wasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But it was an ADHD test because I knew I
had as a child, And he said, for my case,
it was really easy. As a child, I got diagnosed.
My report cards was a big giveaway. And then I
remember you asked me certain questions.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And you follow me. I said, do you finod me around?
And did you know all that stuff about me?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It really it made me realize, you know, it's yeah,
it was obviously a big cause of.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Where I was.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So it sounds like then and obviously you know we're
not going to ask you to do a radio diagnosis
in five minutes, but if you were to ask me
a certain amount of questions for you should be able
to get a pretty good idea of whether or not
your recon or might be. And then for someone who's listening,
I guess if they answered the same questions would probably
go ah, okay, yeah that's me.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Okay. I'd put it to you that even if we
look at the diagnostic criteria for ADHD, there's eighteen of them,
and you need ten of them to get the diagnosis.
And then we need to make sure that these manifestations
are occurring across multiple domains of your life. Right then
we need to make sure that they were present as
a child, because this is a condition that you're born with.
(04:36):
It doesn't develop or evolve along the way, not unless
you've had a severe head injury or something like that.
So you're born with it, so we're looking for signal
in childhood. Then we want to make sure that there's
nothing else that might better explain it. There are questions
that we would ask that would highlight the problems of it.
And I think a lot of people when they hear
(04:57):
the name attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, they think attention and hyperactivity.
But it's all of executive functioning. That is the nature
of this problem. Executive functioning. A lot of your listeners
might not understand that term. Some will, but but that
is planning, organization, impulse control, emotion regulation, it's it's your
(05:19):
memory process. It's on a lot of stuff. But if
we were to further to your question, I ask you
some common questions that we would ask. I would say
things like.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, no, no, we'll come back to the questions. Yeah,
we've got to check traffic. I don't want to distract you,
check grabic.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
We'll come make it a bit honestly, I always I'll
say you honestly saved my career and I its your job.
But yeah, look, I thank you for a lot of things,
and that's why I continue to go seeing because I
don't want to change what's working. So but I've always
wanted to put Kip on the spot, and why not
(05:59):
as the best time.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
To do So, Yeah, we're just saying not fair that
we might actually do this as a proper because it
takes ninety minutes to do a real ADHD assessment or
more so we might edupate it. Yeah, oh yeah, probably am.
So we're going to do that as a podcast and
do the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Which will do next week. But there are a couple
of things, a couple of questions you said that you
can kind of get a gauge and for Kip to
think about.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So what are they? Well, I was wondering, Kip, if
you ever have trouble paying close attention to detail, make
careless mistakes.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, I mean, if anyone's heard me pushing the buttons
on this show, and it's constant. Yes I do, yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And you have difficulties sustaining your attention yes, like you're
easily distracted noise movement, yeah, shiny.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Object anything, yeah, phones, whatever, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So easily distracted, difficultly sustaining attention careless errors is another thing.
Do you find that you're disorganized? Yes, seem to be messy?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, yeah, I'm pretty messive.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You lose things? Yes, yeah, okay. And what about with multitasking?
How do you go if you've got multiple things on
the go at once. Do you find that you just
failed to complete? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm like a computer get the spinning blue circle
where there's too many things happening and the computer just
stops working.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's my brain failed to listen, even when people are
talking directly to you all the time. Oh yes, so okay. Well,
these are a few of the questions we might ask
to look at an aspect of the presentation that's about inattention, right,
and inattention is one part of it. And then after
we speak about inattention, then we would go on to
(07:40):
look at hyperactivity and impulsivity. So these would be questions like,
do you find that it's hard to sit still? Hard
to remain seated in circumstances too.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm not too bad with that, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Don't feel driven like a motor No, not too much.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, I can chill.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Pretty good waiting your turn.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yes, yes, I can be polite.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yes, I'm going to ask these guys do you talk
over people?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I think radio hasn't allowed that to train to response, honestly,
I think that you.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Can I ask about hyper focus? So keep For example,
he's building a house and spent a week on speaker placement.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Just for the sound system.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, but then other things, Yeah, didn't matter, important things
didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But I was like, yeah, I was into that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Getting distracted by the part of the thing rather than
the completion of the whole. Yes, And even though that
might be very important, it just completely stops your progress,
so you fail to achieve complete a task. Yes, that
is so. Hyper focus is not one of the diagnostic criteria,
but it's a really common thing that people would describe
to us. And it's associated with something we call time blindness.
So you get really focused on something and you don't
(08:58):
really notice the passage of time.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You get to do you want to give the example
of what happened when you had the mate over that
you were supposed to doing a deck. Oh, yeah, and
you went to get a tool.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, we were doing the deck over. So he's two
hourss down and we were doing a deck out the
front of his place, and I said, I'm just going
to go downstairs and get the jigsaw. And then on
the way down, I went like down the side of
my house, and I realized that the bamboo was overgrown
and I've been meaning to get rid of it. So
then I went under the house to get my sword
to do the bamboo. But then I realized that I
had these things that I needed to take to the tip.
(09:28):
So I thought, well, if I'm going to take the
bamboos stuff the tip, i'll take them up to the
tip first. So I took them up to the car,
and then I came back down and realized, you know,
the bamboo still wasn't done, so I had to go
and then I saw Then I did the bamboo, and
then I got all that stuff up to the tip,
and then I eventually got up and I think there
was a couple of other things I had to charge
up a battery and then I finally got up to
(09:48):
Charlie and he said, like, it's been an hour and
a half.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Where have you been? And I just exactly what I mean.
Good example. So that disorganization and getting distracted partly part
of the way through a task before you complete the
task and then you're onto the next task, but at
the end of the day having almost failed to complete
any of them. But you may have started ten. But
that is a disorganization manifestation. Okay, So these are the
(10:13):
sorts of questions that we would look at with people
because people can report that in their adult life, and
then we look at similar sorts of questions and ask
them to reflect on their childhood.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Okay, how are you from? Yeah, I mean I feel
like I know you haven't given me a diagnosis, but
I feel like I'm taking a lot of boxes.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yes, there's and lots of nods and a few snooks
from Corey.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Maybe if you're keen, Kip, can you go and do
like a whole thing and then we can get JP
back in next week and tell us what the results are.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Really quickly, for all the people out there that watch
all those meet the social media videos and all that
sort of stuff. Can they can?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
They can?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You just let them know that not all of those
are true, not.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
All that stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It might be like you said in all the videos
about adi HD, it might be one part of it, right,
And that's what you talk about. There's so many parts
eighty HD, so you.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Might have one thing or not another.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and that's why I wanted to bring John Paul
in to explain there's so many more parts to ADHD.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Not just one part.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
If you got one doesn't mean you've got it.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, Well we've now had it enough and Kipper is agreed.
We will go and do some testing next week. Bring
JP back and for anyone who wants to get in
contact with us, thirteen one oh sixty five or four
oh nine nine seven three nine seven three. But this
conversation is not over.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Thanks for coming in.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Thank you. It's a pleasure. It nice to be here.
Great energy in here. Thanks guys,
Robin and in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We have a special guest in the studio who's brad
yours Corey.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
He's a great friend of mine, doctor John Paul Kou.
I don't know if I can introduce him because of
all the creditations he has, but him, he's honestly just
a guy that he probably saved my career, just brought
me back from a really low place and yeah, made
things a lot clearer for myself, and honestly, just yeah,
(00:29):
it made me realize that I was a different person
at one stage in my life and he's helped me
get back to being who I am.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So so JP at this point, just quickly run through
what you do and.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Who you are. I'm a psychiatrist. We have a practice
at TUAM and I've been doing this job for over
three decades now. I think I was trying to figure out.
My first psychiatric job was in nineteen ninety three, so
I've been doing this for probably since before you were born.
I was ninety four and so my career has been
in forensic psychiatry, rehab psychiatry, neuropsychiatry early, but now it's
(01:06):
it's mainly out patient private psychiatry. We've got a big,
big practice. We have twenty five psychiatrists and we run
a few community programs. So I'm very happy to talk
to anything relating to mental health and advocate for our
patients and our population.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Because it was this time last week that we were
talking about ADHD and we thought there was so much
conversation around it, and we were kind of discussed where
the kip you thought you might be ADHD, And we
had so many calls in such a positive response, we thought, well,
let's take it to the next level and bring someone
rather than us just floundering around.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, yeah, I and I tossed up John Paul And
it's just because you know, even when he did get
me back and I started playing you the forty that
I knew I could play again. And so where were you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
At in your career when you first.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Met the Worst? Yeah, I was at the start of
that season. What year was it, I think it was nineteen,
I believe, I can't remember. I can't remember the exact year,
but I was probably the best player in the winger,
one of the best wingers in the game, and towards
the end of that year, I just went to the
Worst and just disappeared and fell off. And I knew
I had ad H as a kid, but I'd never
(02:19):
thought that it would be part of the reason why
you couldn't get out of a out of a hole.
And yeah, look, I was lucky enough to know a
few people and that got me straight on to John
Paul and he made me realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And when you say a whole is it like depression.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Or well, I believe that's yeah, I think. I think
John Paul said that with that, there's a number of
things that float around ADHD, the anxiety, low self esteem,
low mood, not saying that these are all diagnoses primary
diagnoses in and of themselves, but they're often secondary to
the symptoms and manifestations and consequences of the syndrome like ADHD.
(02:57):
So in some people circumstance, the depression can be very
very severe secondary to that, and that's can be what
brings people along to attention. But when you look at
the human in front of you and what is the
nature of the problem, when is it come from, and
how can we prevent this in the future, you start
looking at what underlies it. And that was the scenario
(03:18):
here that the primary problem and it had been long standing.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I remember I sat down for five minutes and
I said, oh, we start in our test, and he goes,
I don't really need to test much.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I do think I was quite that mean wasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But it was an ADHD test because I knew I
had as a child, And he said, for my case,
it was really easy. As a child, I got diagnosed.
My report cards was a big giveaway. And then I
remember you asked me certain questions.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And you follow me. I said, do you finod me around?
And did you know all that stuff about me?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It really it made me realize, you know, it's yeah,
it was obviously a big cause of.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Where I was.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So it sounds like then and obviously you know we're
not going to ask you to do a radio diagnosis
in five minutes, but if you were to ask me
a certain amount of questions for you should be able
to get a pretty good idea of whether or not
your recon or might be. And then for someone who's listening,
I guess if they answered the same questions would probably
go ah, okay, yeah that's me.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Okay. I'd put it to you that even if we
look at the diagnostic criteria for ADHD, there's eighteen of them,
and you need ten of them to get the diagnosis.
And then we need to make sure that these manifestations
are occurring across multiple domains of your life. Right then
we need to make sure that they were present as
a child, because this is a condition that you're born with.
(04:36):
It doesn't develop or evolve along the way, not unless
you've had a severe head injury or something like that.
So you're born with it, so we're looking for signal
in childhood. Then we want to make sure that there's
nothing else that might better explain it. There are questions
that we would ask that would highlight the problems of it.
And I think a lot of people when they hear
(04:57):
the name attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, they think attention and hyperactivity.
But it's all of executive functioning. That is the nature
of this problem. Executive functioning. A lot of your listeners
might not understand that term. Some will, but but that
is planning, organization, impulse control, emotion regulation, it's it's your
(05:19):
memory process. It's on a lot of stuff. But if
we were to further to your question, I ask you
some common questions that we would ask. I would say
things like.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, no, no, we'll come back to the questions. Yeah,
we've got to check traffic. I don't want to distract you,
check grabic.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
We'll come make it a bit honestly, I always I'll
say you honestly saved my career and I its your job.
But yeah, look, I thank you for a lot of things,
and that's why I continue to go seeing because I
don't want to change what's working. So but I've always
wanted to put Kip on the spot, and why not
(05:59):
as the best time.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
To do So, Yeah, we're just saying not fair that
we might actually do this as a proper because it
takes ninety minutes to do a real ADHD assessment or
more so we might edupate it. Yeah, oh yeah, probably am.
So we're going to do that as a podcast and
do the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Which will do next week. But there are a couple
of things, a couple of questions you said that you
can kind of get a gauge and for Kip to
think about.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So what are they? Well, I was wondering, Kip, if
you ever have trouble paying close attention to detail, make
careless mistakes.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, I mean, if anyone's heard me pushing the buttons
on this show, and it's constant. Yes I do, yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And you have difficulties sustaining your attention yes, like you're
easily distracted noise movement, yeah, shiny.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Object anything, yeah, phones, whatever, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So easily distracted, difficultly sustaining attention careless errors is another thing.
Do you find that you're disorganized? Yes, seem to be messy?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, yeah, I'm pretty messive.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You lose things? Yes, yeah, okay. And what about with multitasking?
How do you go if you've got multiple things on
the go at once. Do you find that you just
failed to complete? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm like a computer get the spinning blue circle
where there's too many things happening and the computer just
stops working.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's my brain failed to listen, even when people are
talking directly to you all the time. Oh yes, so okay. Well,
these are a few of the questions we might ask
to look at an aspect of the presentation that's about inattention, right,
and inattention is one part of it. And then after
we speak about inattention, then we would go on to
(07:40):
look at hyperactivity and impulsivity. So these would be questions like,
do you find that it's hard to sit still? Hard
to remain seated in circumstances too.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm not too bad with that, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Don't feel driven like a motor No, not too much.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, I can chill.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Pretty good waiting your turn.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yes, yes, I can be polite.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yes, I'm going to ask these guys do you talk
over people?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I think radio hasn't allowed that to train to response, honestly,
I think that you.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Can I ask about hyper focus? So keep For example,
he's building a house and spent a week on speaker placement.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Just for the sound system.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, but then other things, Yeah, didn't matter, important things
didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But I was like, yeah, I was into that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Getting distracted by the part of the thing rather than
the completion of the whole. Yes, And even though that
might be very important, it just completely stops your progress,
so you fail to achieve complete a task. Yes, that
is so. Hyper focus is not one of the diagnostic criteria,
but it's a really common thing that people would describe
to us. And it's associated with something we call time blindness.
So you get really focused on something and you don't
(08:58):
really notice the passage of time.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You get to do you want to give the example
of what happened when you had the mate over that
you were supposed to doing a deck. Oh, yeah, and
you went to get a tool.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, we were doing the deck over. So he's two
hourss down and we were doing a deck out the
front of his place, and I said, I'm just going
to go downstairs and get the jigsaw. And then on
the way down, I went like down the side of
my house, and I realized that the bamboo was overgrown
and I've been meaning to get rid of it. So
then I went under the house to get my sword
to do the bamboo. But then I realized that I
had these things that I needed to take to the tip.
(09:28):
So I thought, well, if I'm going to take the
bamboos stuff the tip, i'll take them up to the
tip first. So I took them up to the car,
and then I came back down and realized, you know,
the bamboo still wasn't done, so I had to go
and then I saw Then I did the bamboo, and
then I got all that stuff up to the tip,
and then I eventually got up and I think there
was a couple of other things I had to charge
up a battery and then I finally got up to
(09:48):
Charlie and he said, like, it's been an hour and
a half.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Where have you been? And I just exactly what I mean.
Good example. So that disorganization and getting distracted partly part
of the way through a task before you complete the
task and then you're onto the next task, but at
the end of the day having almost failed to complete
any of them. But you may have started ten. But
that is a disorganization manifestation. Okay, So these are the
(10:13):
sorts of questions that we would look at with people
because people can report that in their adult life, and
then we look at similar sorts of questions and ask
them to reflect on their childhood.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Okay, how are you from? Yeah, I mean I feel
like I know you haven't given me a diagnosis, but
I feel like I'm taking a lot of boxes.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yes, there's and lots of nods and a few snooks
from Corey.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Maybe if you're keen, Kip, can you go and do
like a whole thing and then we can get JP
back in next week and tell us what the results are.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Really quickly, for all the people out there that watch
all those meet the social media videos and all that
sort of stuff. Can they can?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
They can?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You just let them know that not all of those
are true, not.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
All that stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It might be like you said in all the videos
about adi HD, it might be one part of it, right,
And that's what you talk about. There's so many parts
eighty HD, so you.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Might have one thing or not another.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and that's why I wanted to bring John Paul
in to explain there's so many more parts to ADHD.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Not just one part.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
If you got one doesn't mean you've got it.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, Well we've now had it enough and Kipper is agreed.
We will go and do some testing next week. Bring
JP back and for anyone who wants to get in
contact with us, thirteen one oh sixty five or four
oh nine nine seven three nine seven three. But this
conversation is not over.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Thanks for coming in.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Thank you. It's a pleasure. It nice to be here.
Great energy in here. Thanks guys,
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Betrayal Season 5
Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.