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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Robin Keith and couriotes in I'm going to try and
be very careful because I have just said something to
a bosstru and I've kind of ruined some of the story.
This is a Netflix show. It's called Should I Marry
a Murderer? It is based on a twenty seventeen actual
case involving twin brothers in Scotland and a woman who
(00:22):
fell in love with one of them.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Imagine you fall in love with someone who made you
feel accepted, wanted, scene who made you feel whole and
loved and special, and then they say to you, I've
done a horrible, horrible thing, something so vile it flips
(00:46):
your entire world upside down. To remain in love, you
have to keep this secret that you know is going
to destroy you. But if you reveal it, then you
destroy everything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, what would you do?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So many twists and turns in this It is not
straight up like you'll learn about. There's three parts in
this series. You'll learn about what actually happened, then you'll
learn about the reveal. And this woman was a doctor,
Carolyn mure Head, who worked in pathology, which also has
a kind.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Of twist in the story of blood work well, like look.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Like in a like looking at a morgue and dealing
with bodies, and so that also becomes part of the
whole story. It's excellent.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I watched it last night.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I was just like, oh, is it a bit gross?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Like? Is it heavy?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's not gross as in visually with blood and guts.
It's psychologically disturbing. But that's all you seem to love
with true crime.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
True crime is the biggest genre there is, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But one of the things that's so unique about it
well that I kept thinking about is you know the
idea that when you truly fall in love with someone,
you kind of are going to ignore the red flags
and you want to believe that either you could change
them or that you know, love is the only thing
they needed. I mean, I remember a girlfriend of mine
who was like, I think, three weeks away from getting
(02:10):
married to this guy and they had to put down
they had to make all the final payments for the wedding,
and she had been paying everything, and he said, don't
worry about it, I'll do the final payment. And when
it came to actually having to pay, it turned out
that even though he said he'd been going to a
job for the four years that they were together. He
(02:31):
was actually going to the Pokey's and he was completely bankrupt.
Oh wow, So like three weeks out, not only do
you realize you've married someone who is like in a
terrible financial position, but you can't pay for the wedding
that you were going to have in three weeks time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, and then there's someone who lies to you. Yeah,
tremendously right.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
So yeah, what did you find out? Thirty one oh
sixty five, like just before.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
We weren't dating.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was when I first met to Igan and I
wanted to say talking her on dating.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I found ot who her father was, Miles, and
I was like origin great And it took a good
twelve months. Wow, the series. I'm scared of that man. Yeah,
fair enough. He was still as big as it was
when he was playing I Reckon we were.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I was a couple of months dating Naomi when I
found out that she doesn't drive on freeways.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
What yeah, because you know.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
We'll just drive up to the Sancho Coast or whatever,
and then we're having drinks at something and I was like, oh,
you can drive back, and she's like.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, I can't. She's got she's scared. That's a fear
that developed later in life. And she was like, no,
I don't drive on freeways. Oh wow, Oh that's tough. Yeah,
so not perfect, is she? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Dad, is the only thing you can say? That's not
even an issue?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
That was.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Our produces A thirteen one six five. We would love
to take your calls if you want it, you can
remain anonymous.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
We love that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But our producers have just put up on our screen.
We've got a caller who reckons her grandmother dated Australia's
worst serial killer dated what?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh all right?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Worst?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, well let's see, okay, better than the show.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
This is better than Netflix show if we get this,
all right, let's do it after this Maroon five.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It's Robin Kiff and Corio. It's on Kiss ninety seven three.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Robin Kiff and coriots in the morning.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Love makes us do crazy things like this show that
you were just talking about on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Robin, So should I marry a murderer? And you reckon?
It's great, so.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Good on Netflix. And I don't usually like true crimes. Yeah,
but the twists and turns in this you will not guess.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, it's amazing. What people don't know about their partners.
So thirteen one oh sixty fives our number.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hey Lajah, Hello, you apparently have an amazing story for us.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
What did you find out?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
When I was a kid, my grandma used told me
these stories, and obviously you're a kid, you don't think
that they're true. But we live in is He and
we moved down to Adelaide and then back up again.
But when she was in her twenties, she was dating
John Justin Button.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Why don't I know that now?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
No cow murderers?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, yep. She was engaged to him two weeks after
he popped the question. He's like, I want to show
you something, and she saw the bodies in the bow?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Did he expect her to stay around?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I think so? He was obviously a little bit moopy
in that sense. And she went to the sergeant at
the time and he said, no, you're crazy. You know,
I think you should stay in the kitchen, because back
then that's what the women's role was. She said, no,
I'm not crazy. You need to go and investigate. Sure enough,
she was the one that ended up putting them in jail.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Wow, whoa okay, So what.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
When she was shown, did she then just try and
pretend to was all okay?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Like did she yea yeah, she said, you know, the
initial shock, she felt hot all over her body as
she thought it was pigs because she knew that she
was a butcher. He had a you know, he went
hunting and things like that with the other people in
the group. So and they all went to high school together,
so you know, there was all all that close connection.
And she was always hanging out with these people and
(06:22):
they were always trying to pick up people. Soon enough,
she caught up to it that they were actually kidnapping
these people, and those were the people she found in
the bodies.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Sold I've just giggled it right. In May nineteen ninety nine,
the remains of eight individuals were discovered in an unusual
bank vault. They'd been stored in barrels filled with acid.
More remains were found buried in the backyard of a
house accompanied by one of the men charged. The murders
happened in various locations around Adelaide, and the bodies were
later moved to Snowtown. None of the victims were local residents.
(06:55):
Many victims were first tortured and forced to give up
their bank account, de tells, and some were receiving welfare
benefits that killers continued to claim after the murders.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know. And so your grandma had to look at
these bodies and play it cool and not like im.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's two days the tool.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And it sounds like he was proud of them, Like
it sounds like he's that's what I'm That's that's.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The worst part. That's the chilling part. It's similar to
the Netflix show A Murderer.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The way that he says it, it's it's like I
have to tell you something, but it's in an excitement
sort of sense.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, And that's that's.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The most chilling. The bone chilling part that I don't
hear is that he was so proud of it to
show his fiance of the time and expected her to
still live and I don't under that secret, like, I
know you love me, keep the secret for me and
let me, you know, continue doing this.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So was it like the Netflix show where she then
had to go into court and become the star witness
and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So when the trials came after she finally got the
cops to believe her. I can't even remember besides his name,
but he was quite vulgar and misogynistic. Obviously, back then,
no one believed anything that women said. That's so about
a month of that trying trying to tell them that
(08:28):
there is something going on the smell of it, you know.
And he used to take her there regularly.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
What happened is he still alive? Did she ever see
him again after.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She was put in the trial? Like in the jury
and then she was called to the witness stand and
his eyes she said that she saw hell in his
eyes and in the court. I don't know, I'm just
(08:58):
this guy could have been my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, that is an extraordinary story.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I found it get beaten.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I found it really hard. But Naomi told me that
she liked the Kardashians. Yeah, but I've managed to overcome that.
It's tough for a day, I played it cool and
thought of that incredible story. Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No worries, guys, and I guess you can have a
new segment of Early Thursdays.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah right, so cool. Cell
Robin Keith and couriotes in I'm going to try and
be very careful because I have just said something to
a bosstru and I've kind of ruined some of the story.
This is a Netflix show. It's called Should I Marry
a Murderer? It is based on a twenty seventeen actual
case involving twin brothers in Scotland and a woman who
(00:22):
fell in love with one of them.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Imagine you fall in love with someone who made you
feel accepted, wanted, scene who made you feel whole and
loved and special, and then they say to you, I've
done a horrible, horrible thing, something so vile it flips
(00:46):
your entire world upside down. To remain in love, you
have to keep this secret that you know is going
to destroy you. But if you reveal it, then you
destroy everything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, what would you do?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So many twists and turns in this It is not
straight up like you'll learn about. There's three parts in
this series. You'll learn about what actually happened, then you'll
learn about the reveal. And this woman was a doctor,
Carolyn mure Head, who worked in pathology, which also has
a kind.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Of twist in the story of blood work well, like look.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Like in a like looking at a morgue and dealing
with bodies, and so that also becomes part of the
whole story. It's excellent.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I watched it last night.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I was just like, oh, is it a bit gross?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Like? Is it heavy?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's not gross as in visually with blood and guts.
It's psychologically disturbing. But that's all you seem to love
with true crime.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
True crime is the biggest genre there is, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But one of the things that's so unique about it
well that I kept thinking about is you know the
idea that when you truly fall in love with someone,
you kind of are going to ignore the red flags
and you want to believe that either you could change
them or that you know, love is the only thing
they needed. I mean, I remember a girlfriend of mine
who was like, I think, three weeks away from getting
(02:10):
married to this guy and they had to put down
they had to make all the final payments for the wedding,
and she had been paying everything, and he said, don't
worry about it, I'll do the final payment. And when
it came to actually having to pay, it turned out
that even though he said he'd been going to a
job for the four years that they were together. He
(02:31):
was actually going to the Pokey's and he was completely bankrupt.
Oh wow, So like three weeks out, not only do
you realize you've married someone who is like in a
terrible financial position, but you can't pay for the wedding
that you were going to have in three weeks time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, and then there's someone who lies to you. Yeah,
tremendously right.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
So yeah, what did you find out? Thirty one oh
sixty five, like just before.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
We weren't dating.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was when I first met to Igan and I
wanted to say talking her on dating.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I found ot who her father was, Miles, and
I was like origin great And it took a good
twelve months. Wow, the series. I'm scared of that man. Yeah,
fair enough. He was still as big as it was
when he was playing I Reckon we were.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I was a couple of months dating Naomi when I
found out that she doesn't drive on freeways.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
What yeah, because you know.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
We'll just drive up to the Sancho Coast or whatever,
and then we're having drinks at something and I was like, oh,
you can drive back, and she's like.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, I can't. She's got she's scared. That's a fear
that developed later in life. And she was like, no,
I don't drive on freeways. Oh wow, Oh that's tough. Yeah,
so not perfect, is she? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Dad, is the only thing you can say? That's not
even an issue?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
That was.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Our produces A thirteen one six five. We would love
to take your calls if you want it, you can
remain anonymous.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
We love that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But our producers have just put up on our screen.
We've got a caller who reckons her grandmother dated Australia's
worst serial killer dated what?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh all right?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Worst?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, well let's see, okay, better than the show.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
This is better than Netflix show if we get this,
all right, let's do it after this Maroon five.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It's Robin Kiff and Corio. It's on Kiss ninety seven three.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Robin Kiff and coriots in the morning.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Love makes us do crazy things like this show that
you were just talking about on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Robin, So should I marry a murderer? And you reckon?
It's great, so.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Good on Netflix. And I don't usually like true crimes. Yeah,
but the twists and turns in this you will not guess.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, it's amazing. What people don't know about their partners.
So thirteen one oh sixty fives our number.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hey Lajah, Hello, you apparently have an amazing story for us.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
What did you find out?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
When I was a kid, my grandma used told me
these stories, and obviously you're a kid, you don't think
that they're true. But we live in is He and
we moved down to Adelaide and then back up again.
But when she was in her twenties, she was dating
John Justin Button.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Why don't I know that now?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
No cow murderers?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, yep. She was engaged to him two weeks after
he popped the question. He's like, I want to show
you something, and she saw the bodies in the bow?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Did he expect her to stay around?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I think so? He was obviously a little bit moopy
in that sense. And she went to the sergeant at
the time and he said, no, you're crazy. You know,
I think you should stay in the kitchen, because back
then that's what the women's role was. She said, no,
I'm not crazy. You need to go and investigate. Sure enough,
she was the one that ended up putting them in jail.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Wow, whoa okay, So what.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
When she was shown, did she then just try and
pretend to was all okay?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Like did she yea yeah, she said, you know, the
initial shock, she felt hot all over her body as
she thought it was pigs because she knew that she
was a butcher. He had a you know, he went
hunting and things like that with the other people in
the group. So and they all went to high school together,
so you know, there was all all that close connection.
And she was always hanging out with these people and
(06:22):
they were always trying to pick up people. Soon enough,
she caught up to it that they were actually kidnapping
these people, and those were the people she found in
the bodies.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Sold I've just giggled it right. In May nineteen ninety nine,
the remains of eight individuals were discovered in an unusual
bank vault. They'd been stored in barrels filled with acid.
More remains were found buried in the backyard of a
house accompanied by one of the men charged. The murders
happened in various locations around Adelaide, and the bodies were
later moved to Snowtown. None of the victims were local residents.
(06:55):
Many victims were first tortured and forced to give up
their bank account, de tells, and some were receiving welfare
benefits that killers continued to claim after the murders.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know. And so your grandma had to look at
these bodies and play it cool and not like im.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's two days the tool.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And it sounds like he was proud of them, Like
it sounds like he's that's what I'm That's that's.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The worst part. That's the chilling part. It's similar to
the Netflix show A Murderer.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The way that he says it, it's it's like I
have to tell you something, but it's in an excitement
sort of sense.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, And that's that's.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The most chilling. The bone chilling part that I don't
hear is that he was so proud of it to
show his fiance of the time and expected her to
still live and I don't under that secret, like, I
know you love me, keep the secret for me and
let me, you know, continue doing this.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So was it like the Netflix show where she then
had to go into court and become the star witness
and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So when the trials came after she finally got the
cops to believe her. I can't even remember besides his name,
but he was quite vulgar and misogynistic. Obviously, back then,
no one believed anything that women said. That's so about
a month of that trying trying to tell them that
(08:28):
there is something going on the smell of it, you know.
And he used to take her there regularly.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
What happened is he still alive? Did she ever see
him again after.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She was put in the trial? Like in the jury
and then she was called to the witness stand and
his eyes she said that she saw hell in his
eyes and in the court. I don't know, I'm just
(08:58):
this guy could have been my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, that is an extraordinary story.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I found it get beaten.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I found it really hard. But Naomi told me that
she liked the Kardashians. Yeah, but I've managed to overcome that.
It's tough for a day, I played it cool and
thought of that incredible story. Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No worries, guys, and I guess you can have a
new segment of Early Thursdays.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah right, so cool. Cell
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