Renters Are Trusting TikTok’s Loui Burke More Than Their Landlord... and Bed Advice Like A Pro

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is an our media podcast, but.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It will say you are what you eat, or you
are who you hang around. I think it's also you
are the space that you're in, because ultimately it is
a representation of you and how you look after you.
It's this unspoken thing that I think a lot of
people aren't familiar with, and I really try and push
that in my content. It goes beyond things looking beautiful,
but it's also about creating that feeling of home and
prioritizing the furniture is really important. I think it's more

(00:29):
important than the home weares. I think it's better to
buy gorgeous furniture yep, and then you know, accent it
with the home wears. Getting rugs, light chads, and also
curtains and window treatments of any kind will instantly make
any room feel more like home than matter the space.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
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Welcome back to the edit, the show about your Style

(01:16):
and your Sanctuary, where we step inside the homes, habits
and headspaces of the people who help us live better.
Today we're picking up part two of our conversation with
digital content creator and our friend in home and hosting,
Louis Bourke, and this time we're going to be on
the grid and into the real life behind his wildly addictive,

(01:37):
cheap or chic reels. If you've ever wondered how to
make a rental feel bit more intentional, how to mix
your big w and your kmart with bespoke bedheads, or
how to tell when something is genuinely chic versus just cheap,
Louis is opening the doors to his own terrace and
talking us through exactly how he does it. Louis Burke,

(02:02):
Welcome back to the edit of Got the Giggles, and
I think we've just been having a good old laugh.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You have a wey. Yeah, it's so good to be
back the catch up with you talk all things everything.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh well, today we're going to talk about if it's
all right with you?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
You yes, my favorite topic? All right? Actually, I feel
like anyone talking about themselves is the hardest thing to do,
but we'll see how I go.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It can be a bit awkward, can't.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I feel like you just feel like you know yourself,
but it's because you're just always with yourself. But they
never actually saying it out loud. So you've got this
story in your mind. When you actually start to speak it,
you're like, is this going to come out the right
way anyway?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh well, let's okay, let's frame it up in a
way that might feel a bit more comfortable. Let's talk
about you at home, okay, because we see a lot
of your home yes on social media. Yes, and we
love it. Yeah, but I'd love for you to talk
us through it. So if we were to come over

(03:01):
to your place and you open the door, talk us through.
What are we seeing, what are we hearing? What does
it smell like?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Okay. People might be familiar with my morning routines, like
I am very rigid with that, Like I wake up,
always open up all the blinds, open all the windows
for at least fifteen minutes. I like to make the bed,
so the bed will be made. There might be a
tripod in an off corner somewhere, so ignore that.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
The robovac is usually going They're great because they do
most of the work, especially if you're in an old house,
they get really dusty.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So it's really dusty.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah. One advice of that is get a good steam cleaner.
A steam blasts all the grime out of the windows,
the skirting boards, everything especially goes all those like ornate
like skirting boards. They pick up a little bit of
like grint it like just blasts it off.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I'm going to do this, it's so really old house.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Once you start, you will not start. So make sure
you have a few days because you become addicted to it.
Is like how you have to do every room. So
in terms of like usually there's a candle burning. I
try and go seasonal the moment. I've been doing a
lot of dip tea like Bays because it's the berries
green sense. I also like Tomato Leaf from Flamingo estates
me too, Yeah, very like market.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Produce Perfect Summer.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah. And then music that's only playing is like the
Dinner with Friends playlist. I like a lot of more
like older tunes like the Ela FitzGeralds and things like that.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, I just like them because they're easy listening and
you also know the song pretty well.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
What's the walk through? You open the door you walk through.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
The entry point where we've got the bench in the mirror,
and then my bedroom is actually just off to the right. Okay,
so it's originally the formal dining sitting room, and it
has a beautiful bay window, and it also has a
gorgeous fireplace, and I thought, well, I don't want to
not use this room. I want to use it as
much as possible, definitely, So that's why it stands in
is the bedroom. And then you walk through the threshold
and there's a center table because I love entry tables.

(05:02):
I just love scentered tables. Underneath with the vase and
you have like the drop bowl look to the right,
and then that's where the original bedroom is, which I
turned into a dining room because I like to use.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, that's really interesting. So you have put dining Is
it a small room than the front room.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, it's a small room comparatively, but it's not. It's
not a small room. Like it's a good size and
it has a fireplace and it has like a window.
The thing is because it's a terrace too. It has
the wall in between the neighbors, so like what the
window looks out at is an amazing So I put
like a jasmine plant there, just so there's a bit
of greenery.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think it's all right for a dining room to
be in the middle of the house because it's a
bit darker. Typically you will dine in the evening, yeah,
when you'll have internal lighting on anyway.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, And we don't have a home office because obviously
with my work it's very much walking around the whole home.
So I work out of the dining space as well
as And I also would do that anyway even if
I didn't, because I don't love office furniture, you know,
like the office.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't have one at home either. I work at
the dining table and from bed literally.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
And the thing is is that I think I get
it from my mum too, because she's probably one of
the most impractical people. Like she loves the aesthetics way
over the impractical field. She will work around things and
put things further away and make it harder for herself
every day because she loves the feeling of it. Yes,
and it works for her, and she knows the routine
rather than it being oh it's practical, it's good because

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everything looks great and she knows where everything is. But
like as I've kind of gotten older, I'm kind of
a balance between the two. So I have all my
office stuff in a cupboard away, and same with my partner.
When he's working, he puts his stuff away. So the
dining room always looks that's good because I have to
normally do a table escape anyway, and there's nothing worse
having to move exactly anyway. Yeah, So then you walk
out head down into the kind of the newer part

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which has the bathroom and then this sort of threshold
which has consoles with books and also shoes underneath because
there's this other small room which has it's a small
bedroom really could be like a nursery, but we turned
it into a walking wardrobe. So we've got the pack
system from Ikea and built it out and turned it
into a walking wardrobe with an ottoman and a chair.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, it's really good. So like again, someone might use
that as a home office, but I was like, I
would rather have because terrace houses don't have any wardrobes,
no exactly, and they always don't look very good when
they're like unless you can build them in. But even still,
sometimes I love the negative space around a fireplace, like
it's like I love like nothing in that space or
maybe like a plinth, you know. So that was really good,

(07:34):
and there's like a window in there. And then you
walk out into the living space, which is kind of
a long, narrow space in terms of like we have
like the two seater sofa rather than a three because
there's a sliding door. So it was a very interesting layout.
And then there's the kitchen, which is like a little
like almost like a butler's kitchen, but it's our kitchen.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, are you a cook? I like that you that
it's compact.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
No, I think it's fine. I think it's fine. I
do like to cook, but I don't like to cook
with content. I definitely like styling food like cannopees and
bits and pieces because the cooking portion of honestly props
to anyone who's a foody in content because it requires
a lot more effort than people think in terms of
the cuts and the prep time. And then like by
the time it's done, like it's cold, so like eating it,
you know, or if it melts or Yeah. So I

(08:20):
do like to cook, but I don't like to film it.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I love that you've put rooms to different uses.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I wasn't afraid to break up the layout.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And that's okay to do. People should do it more.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Right, They should do it way more often than what
they think. Yeah, just because it says home office doesn't
need to be a home office. And just because it's
a second living room doesn't mean it has to be
a second living room, you know, because there's lots of
newer houses that have like lots of different spaces, like
if it could work better as a dining space, have
it be the dining space, or if it's like you
want the living room to be in that space, and
then in the living room it's your dining spaces. It's

(08:52):
connected to the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes, just do that exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
And so something that people may not realize because your
home is so beautiful fully styled, it's a rental.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, not a lot of people know it. I kind
of keep it on the down there. Yeah, so I'll
let you know scoop only because it's like I don't
have an issue with people knowing, but online it can
be an issue because people will quickly reduce or redact
anything that I'm doing because it's a rental. It's a
very weird cultural thing. They'll be like, oh, but it's
a rental.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Such a shame, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think it's a safety guard. I think it makes
them more comfortable where they feel like they don't have
to do the work. Maybe in saying that, I've changed
the lights and I completely transform the front garden, so
people kind of confused as to whether I do own
or rent.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's quite a European approach actually, because they do that there.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, and in Melbourne you have a lot more freedoms.
You can hang things on the walls, So I've got
on my mirrors on the walls. I hung up the
curtains yep. And I also change the shower head and
I change the tabs and I changed that. Like, I'm
not afraid to change things because I've rented in places
for ten years now. I'm quite comfortable with the idea
that like, this is the place that I want to
live in in this suburb. Yes, I'm willing to make

(10:01):
changes to the house so it suits me because I
live in it every day and we've lived in it
for two years now and we'll probably live in it
for a little like a little while longer. I think
it's definitely worthwhile this age, like in twenty twenty six,
with more people renting, it's a given it's going to happen.
Start making those rentals look like your home, because absolutely,
what's the point you can purchase a property like there's

(10:22):
we don't own this place, but we love to live
in ourbert Park, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I'd always prefer to rent somewhere I love, yeah,
than buy somewhere I lose.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Exactly, And you also get the lifestyle. Usually usually the
rent is cheaper than a mortgage. Yeah, so you get
the benefits of living in a gorgeous suburb without paying
the hefty mortgage.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
What's the best change you've made?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Best change I've made would be the bathroom for sure,
changing the shower head and the shower rail and the
taps and things.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Was it hard to do?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
No, it was quite easy, actually, Yeah, like you can
get a plumber to like I would recommend a plumber
com but it's not hard. I changed the shower head
and normally toilet seed and every place that I move
into because it's just like nine times out of tendan
rental doesn't have a soft closed toilet scene. And these
things aren't expensive, like toilet seed is like fifty bucks
and it's you use it every day. Yeah, And then

(11:12):
the shower head, you use it every day like it's
a beautiful goose snack shower head. The shower head that
was in there before was a full camper van like
it was not good. And then the shower curtain was
like a garbage bag, you know. So this is the
thing too about the house that I'm in now, Like
when we moved in, it was very tired. Let's say
that it's tired. The garden hadn't been looked after, the

(11:33):
lights hadn't been changed. I had the gaudy Federation gold
lie with you know, no one had put anything on
the walls, and the bathroom was, you know, not great.
So it's been a matter of me going in and
layering all those pieces that make it come to life
and feel like a home. And I think that's a
thing too. Some people discredit that because the house is beautiful, yes,
but also it's like if I took the stuff out

(11:53):
of it, if you took me and the stuff out
of it, would you still think it was as beautiful because.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
I would say no, right, Like it is a gorgeous times.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Some people are going to go yes, But when I
walk through with thirty odd other people when we went
for the inspection, most people didn't want to rent there
because they didn't think it was convenient. They didn't like
all the things about it. They didn't like the rooms
and the layouts that didn't have storage. This is the
thing with terrace houses. Everyone loves the idea of a terrorist,
but do they love what comes with it in terms
of st Yeah, the storage and the lighting and everything.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Do you ask for permission from the landlord or do
you just go ahead?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I do it? Yeah, let us do it. He's fine,
he's see because see, you get those inspections where the
real estate agent comes through every six months, I think
it's once a year, and they come through and they
take photos. So if there was anything that they would
have an issue with.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
They'd let you know, they'd let you know.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, and my thrilled. Yeah. My state agent's are bell
So they come through and they're very specific about all
those things. So like they would definitely let me know.
But I redid the front garden. All the neighborhood love
it because they walk by and they seeing the neighborhood
like the garden transform and.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
They what did you do, and are you a gardener
or was this first time doing it?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I think we should take it back right back, so
its all started. Yeah, So I originally grew up in
the Hunter Valley. When I was born, my parents originally
owned a church or a chapel. They always dreamed of
having a function venue at the back, and when they
bought this church, it was actually one of the first
times that churches were up for sale for people to
publicly buy, so it was a huge deal that they
were able to obtain it. And my parents had studied

(13:23):
horticulture and my dad was also a carpenter, so it
was on this flat plane. And then they turned and
let put this beautiful European garden at the front and
did these sandstone with iron fencing, and they were going
to do a function venue at the back so you
could get married at the chapel and all that. They
went in partnership with a few people, and then the
day I was born, things happened where it didn't work
out to cut things.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
You arrived and everything changed.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I was like yeah, And so my parents still
had a nursery, So I grew up on a nursery
that had all the different plants. So that's how I
grew up. And my dad built the house that my
parents lived in, so I had a really strong connection
to gardening and home from an early age, and like
my mum loved natural materials. The house I grew up
in was very like classic sort of ranch star with

(14:08):
Canadian timber red Canadian timber like siding, and then you
go in and had the slate tiles from like the nineties,
and then I had the like the wool bouclet carpet
and also the sisole ruck very things that are in now.
My parents had them, but it's been thirty years, so
trans coming exactly. Yeah, I had this indoor pool. It
was really cool. You went out with my parents built

(14:30):
like a tennis court, but it was like a hill
noun that was in an L shape, so it blocked
the neighbors so you couldn't see and they did like
hedges and they were like, well, we'll just make it
a tennis court and yeah, and my mum dreamed of
having this restaurant. So then dad built the restaurant over
the dam and it was kind of leave it over
the water. That's where the food portion came into it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Everything starting to make sense.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah. So from a really young age, I was helping
my parents. Like I was rearranging you know, people rearranging
their bedroom as children. I was building minni nursery. Yeah,
I was any MANI nurseries. Within the nursery, I would
pull all the palms together and build my own store,
and people were unsure whether they could buy the plant
for me or not. And I'd come back the next
day and the boys had come by, like moved all
back into place, so I'd have to do it again,

(15:11):
you know, rude, night a rude. I was just trying
to start a business, you know. I was then like
serving tables, Like I started as a water I started
a bat the back doing the dishes, and I was
doing the waters, and I was serving the tables, setting
tables that my parents did wedding. They converted the house
into a wedding venue.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, and then built accommodation. So then from the accommodation,
I was learning how to make beds. So from a
really early age, I was learning about how to do
all these things and processes, but also how to build
a home away from home. Because people were coming into
this space to celebrate anniversaries or birthdays, family visiting from
out of home. How do you create that moment for people?
And I was like, there's just something in this.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
So how do you create that moment for people?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's through those practices of like really bringing a space
to life with the music and the lighting and setting
the table and doing those rituals. It's really important. And
that's why I was like, I need to take this
out of the context of a restaurant or accommodation and
go and do it somewhere else. And that's why I
moved to Melbourne and studied design and did creditive direction

(16:14):
in styling because I just love this idea that there's
so much power in just that alone that I can
speak to, which is why I do what I do now.
So in terms of the gardening, I was just calling
out my dad being like, hey, what should we do.
I want to do some crate myrtles. I want to
do some azalea hedges. Should we take this grass out
and put turf down? And I just did it all

(16:34):
in like a weekend because I can't see it be
bare for longer than like a week, you know, Like
we went out and bought the buffalo turf because it
was good for the place.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So with that history, for want of a better word, yes,
how has that really shaped your own style? You've learned
so much from your parents, You've moved into state, you've
set up your own life.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Do you find your style now? Can you see echoes
from what you grew up with or is it different?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it's it's different now, but it took a
long while to shake in terms of when I've moved
from regional New South Wales the Hunter Valley to Melbourne
in a city. Seeing the differences between the two, it
was interesting seeing how my style evolved. I think if
people maybe saw my hometour during like the bedthreads era,
where it was a bit more wabi sabi, very earthy.

(17:23):
I had very like raw rustic timbers, Belgian linen, jute rugs,
wicker chairs, whereas now in my space it's more wall carpets, velvets, swedes,
marble and stone and timber, but more timber venier or
like really smooth timber in the oak colorway rather than
like a walnut. So it's been interesting to see how
that sort of changed and shifted over time to suit me.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now I think that's something people are afraid of doing.
They think I have to decorate in one way and
this is the way that my home will look forever.
It's okay to completely change your style. You can evolve
or you can do the opposite, and that's okay. How
do you share that in your content? Because when you're
you're really big on trends and people love your trend content, Yeah,

(18:11):
how do you deliver it in a way that makes
people feel that they don't have to just buy this trend?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I try and show it through the options of being Like,
there's certain things you could approach for like say, colors
you could do with furniture or homewares, like with the
chocolate browns and the burgundies that we're seeing now. Perhaps
it's a cushion or a douve cover. Maybe it's not
an accent chair. It could be, but just know that
it might change because yes, chocolate brown is in now
and brown will always be in, but it might be

(18:38):
a different shade of brown. So you might buy something
brown now, but then it might not actually stand the
test of time in six years. So buying a cushion
is a better version of that. But in terms of
my furniture and things like that. I made a hard
and fast rule quite early on to really buy from
Australian designed pieces. So I have all like those classic
designers at home, like Globe West, Yeah, Ellison Studios, like

(19:02):
things that speak to that Australian contemporary design like Jardine
and things like that, really smooth contemporary lines, because I
speak to not only an Australian audience but also an
international one, and I want those Americans and Europeans and
South Africans and everyone to know, oh, this is what
Australia feels like. Although it's in that traditional terrorist style,
the furniture is something I haven't seen before.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Let's talk more about people who are renting, well, not
the people specifically, but the rents being a renter. So
if you've rented a new place, what are some design
rules for how to personalize a rental.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
One thing to think about is like how long you're
going to be in the space for good point? Is
it like a holiday season or is it like you're
going to be there for twelve months for work with
a contract thing? Then move or are you setting up
the space? Have you just moved from Melbourne to Sydney
and you're going to do like the first place. I
think that's something to think about because if it is that,
then maybe you might not do the win treatments and

(20:01):
like custom things. But what I will say for both
people who are moving into space that are more temporary
and also places that people will plan to be more
long term, is focused on getting those key furniture pieces
and make sure that they suit a lot of different styles.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Of home because you can take the furniture with you exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, and prioritizing the furniture is really important. I think
it's more important than the home weares. I think it's
better to buy gorgeous furniture yep, and then accent it
with the home weares rather than trying to make up
for the bad furniture with good home right.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yes, so furniture first, homeware second.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah. I really think since I've made the switch from
going more premium with my furniture buying those Globe Whse pieces,
buying the Life interiors and Ellison studios and like customer
exend design. Yes, it's more pricey. Yes, it's my interest
as well, so for someone that might not be interested, Yeah,
But I feel like all the listeners here are interesting. Yeah,

(20:59):
I think it's worth biting the bullet and buying those
gorgeous pieces that you love, because then you also don't
feel the need to style them with so much stuff.
It actually feels nice to like take things off and
go oh wow like that.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's like a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah. Key pieces as well in rentals that I think
make spaces feel like home instantly is like a rug
and light fixtures and fittings that you can swap out,
like light shades and lamps, things you can take with you.
Like you said, getting rugs, light shades, and also curtains
and window treatments of any kind will instantly make any
room feel more like home than that of the space.

(21:35):
My advice, too, is to check out a lot of
temporary accommodation like Airbnb's and your hotels and look at
how they've made those spaces feel like home. Yeah, because
a lot of the time they don't use a lot
of homeware pieces because they can't, so look at how
they've set up the room to make it come to life.
I often say this to people in modern apartments and
homes because they're like, what style, how should I decorate

(21:55):
this space because I struggle because I have no point
of reference because it's new, it's it's not traditional, it's
not mid century.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
So what do you do?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I tell them to go to their favorite flagship store.
So in Melbourne that's like High Street Armadale. It has
a lot of beautiful flagship stores there.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And so this could be are you talking interior?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, and it could even be fashioned because for instance,
there's like the new Henny store that opened in Armadale,
but there's also the one in South Tiarra for people
who are based in Melbourne. But also if you go
to Pannington, you go to Oxford Street, you look at
Benroy or you even look at the Mecca setups. You
can have a look at how they've applied all the
different materials in a modern contemporary way and it feels

(22:35):
really beautiful. And they've taken a white box and they've
turned it into this gorgeous store. You can do the
same thing with your new home which is a white box.
How do you make it beautiful? Check out those stores.
It's the best thing. It's my number one tip if
you want that contemporary news style in a home, like
setting up a home versus a rental.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Go with that because that's what they've done. So what
sorts of things are you looking at? I would think
color palette.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Color, but also yeah, layout, especially with like fashion stores
in particular. Usually you walk in and there's a counter
and you're like, okay, cool, that's kind of like an
island in the kitchen, Like how have they done the
shelves in the back. They put the bags on the back. Okay,
that could be like the shelving I have in a
warterb or a kitchen or a bathroom. If I go
over here, the way they've laid out the clothes, what
timber are they using? What code hang is? Oh, they've

(23:21):
done this really cool carpet that goes up onto the podium.
Could I do that? Also at the front when you
walk in the store, only there's like a tile threshold
as you walk through, Like, oh, I love how they've
done those tiles. Look at the color palette. There's so
many bits and pieces.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's such it's interesting perspective.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, it's like a living mood board, you know, like
all those gorgeous mood boards you see with interior designers
and they lay it out. It's like seeing that in
like a sort of pop up space in these retail stores,
and they use the best people.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I was in Melbourne recently and I was having a
look around the new Rotten Gun store. Yes, and I
didn't realize that they also have the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Above it and the basement.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
The basement where's the cellar below? Hospitality spaces as well
as fashion retail, and I think it's lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's lifestyle. I love it. It's so good. It's like Mecca
as well, which is literally around the corner. Oh don't
I know what, Yeah, that's how you found it because
you walk down the back. Yeah, it's amazing that store
as well, like even seeing an old shell and how
they've made it feel contemporary and new inside. I think
that's the best way to go about it. Rentals, setting
up foundational furniture pieces is important, but also think about

(24:31):
this too when you buy a sofa, like I love
this beautiful Coca Republic sofa. It was this Aspen sofa leather.
It's beautiful. If anyone has it, it's so gorgeous and
it's it's huge. Can't fit in an apartment, it can't
fit out into the elevator. You need to get a
modular sofa, and that's the reason why I love the
Ellison Studios Muse sofa because it's got gorgeous shape. You

(24:52):
can break it apart and put it all together again.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Absolutely. I always recommend people take a tape measure with
them when they go shopping for furniture, but also to
measure your door with My house is one hundred and
thirty years old. Well the front part anyway, door is
so narrow that not much gets through it.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And also storage but cheeks storage so gasliff beds where
you can put up under the bed like I put
all my winter bedding and everything underneath, especially if you're
in an older home that doesn't have like those Art
Deco homes all the Victorian homes that don't have built
insp so try and find as much chic storage as possible.
Even your consoles have draws and doors and don't have

(25:32):
everything open. Don't have lots of bookcases because then you
have to style it all the time. Doors cover things,
they have a mess. True.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I like this the Lazy Renter's Guide to Styling.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
You don't have bookshelves, yeah, literally, And also even in
your pantry like I'm put mess into boxes within boxes
like babushka, you know, like open the pantry and there's
gorgeous boxes, and then inside the boxes is the mess.
So it takes a long way to get to the mess.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
It takes a long time to make a smoothie.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
But it's great because it all looks beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Like that makes you feel calm exactly? Well, how does
it make you feel to have a clutter free calm?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Really good? Do you know when people say you are
what you eat or you are who you hang around,
I think it's also you are the space that you're in,
because ultimately it is a representation of you and how
you look after you. It's this unspoken thing that I
think a lot of people aren't familiar with, and I
really try and push that in my content. It goes
beyond things looking beautiful, but it's also about creating that
feeling of home and that representation of you and who

(26:28):
you are now and where you want to go. It
can feel quite spiritual, but I do think it is
in a way like your home is the physical self
you're walking through.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Someone were to come into your home but they hadn't
met you, what do you think your home would say?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
About you, the sheik think. I think they would be like, oh,
this guy knows you would go through and you would
see the pieces and you'd be like, I feel like
this person understands. I don't want to say good taste
because it feels so say it. Yes, the persons restraint.
Theyand you know, there's not a lot of homewares everywhere,

(27:05):
and I'm also not following the rules. Especially being a
content creator, I could go down the path of doing
what every single person's doing, especially in a world that's
very much about pro using color and doing definitely mean
to call and it being everywhere. It's very hard to
achieve that look in a very successful way in a
rental without painting the walls because it does require the
tonality to make it feel really effective. If it's just

(27:25):
pops of color everywhere, it can feel quite loud. I
like things to feel calm, laid and intentional. Also, all
my pieces usually have a function to them. They're beautiful,
but they're functional, So I think people would notice the
design background. Yes, because a lot of the things I
have it's like when you walk through, it's like the
bench you would sit on it, and then the mirror
it's artwork and it's sculptural, but it also serves a
purpose as a mirror. Yeah, you know, everything looks nice,

(27:49):
but it has a purpose that feels like it belongs.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Louis, what is a common mistake or mistakes that you
think many renters make.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's a tough one because I don't think renters do
enough to make the mistakes. I think I would say
that the rented like, I don't mean that in a
terrible way. I just mean that in it they don't
want to commit to making the space feel like home
because they're worried or yes, they'd rather go with what's
going on outside of the focus on their wardrobe more
so than their home and their space.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
So the decorating mistake is not decorating enough, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
And also focusing too much on small trinkets and home wears,
bits and pieces. And don't get me wrong, I love
a trinket and home wears and decor and seasonal decorating.
I layers, Like you've seen my bed, it's very layered. Yeah,
lots of beautiful pieces, but I think you've got to
start with those foundational pieces. If you really wanted to
feel good and lux you've got to have a good bed,

(28:41):
a good bed frame. It can't be a mattress on
the floor. It's got to be on a beautiful gas
live bedframe that you can still so affect.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
So would you say a good bed is the starting point?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah for most decore Yeah, because I feel like a
lot of people are in different circumstances too. When you
move out of home for the first time, you're usually
moving in with a friend or sibling or sharehouse environments.
In your bedroom is the spot that you start with.
You know another thing too, speaking of that, as you
develop as time goes on, it's about refining and getting
sets of things. You know, like four mugs, like six plates,

(29:14):
like getting I would go six and four, get six,
six water glasses, a set of cutlery, maybe sometimes two
sets of cutlory. Depends on where you're at, especially with
my like I'm setting a lot of tables, so.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Preaching to the choir. I could host a three course
meal for fifty and I washed a single thing, right,
love a bit of homeware.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I think. But also it's being in the sets too.
I think some people will say with the mugs, it's
like you can have the character mugs, but make sure
all of them have six character mugs. Don't just have
one or have a pair. Things are better in pairs
as well. I think it's about creating that cohesiveness. Cohesion,
symmetry really important with making a space to feel put together.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
And but just decorate, Yeah, but just just start.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
But people feel lost, so that's why they follow me
and follow you as well and learn.

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Speaker 2 (31:09):
Luis.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
There's a topic that I think is a bit controversial
these days, but I'm quite passionate about, and that is
what is a homemaker? Okay, yes, let's talk about that.
What is a homemaker? To you?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
It was really interesting. I was listening to an episode
with Martha Stewart the other day and she said that
everyone wants to be a homemaker and not a housekeeper.
So felt there was nothing wrong in the idea of
being a homemaker.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
With Martha says it right, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think it's time gone. Time's gone on and more
and more people are working. It's been that thing where
the idea of creating home has gone by the wayside,
especially with the idea of convenience as well. That the
idea of focusing on something like home it feels too superficial,
and I think that's what's happened. People have taken actually
what the home is doing, and it's a space again

(31:57):
to nurture you and your family in that space and
be a representation of where you are and where you're at.
I think the thing about the home is that it's
the one spot that no one is telling you what
to do. At least they shouldn't be, not a boss
or not a parent or anyone. It's your space to
do what you want to do, and so shouldn't that
be the ultimate reflection of who you are and who

(32:19):
you want to be. So when you come home at
the end of the day, it's like it's a reminder
of just keep going and doing what you want to do.
At least that's what it was for me. Like when
I moved from Sydney to Melbourne and I was in
my early twenties, like I needed something to be like
a buffer that was like, Okay, I've had a really
hard time working or UNI or starting up this job,
trying to grow, like you know, being at home and

(32:39):
having that space set up for me was like a
reminder of like, oh, yeah, this is why it has
had to do this.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So I know that you create content around this, but
do you get joy from doing it for yourself?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah? I do, But I feel like it feels very
natural to me. I feel like it comes very naturally
to me, and it's like for my birthday, me and
my partner, we went away with only and friends and
it was like, go around the room and say one
thing that like a word that best describes you or
my partner was like, it was like home that you
naturally know how to make things feel like home. And
it was a certain way of like, oh, it's your

(33:12):
passion and it's like what you do for work. It
was a way of like you just naturally like to
create spaces that feel homely.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
What do you think he means by that? What do
you think of the things that you do that made
him say that.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think it's prioritizing making sure Like I'm the type
where it's like I have the candles going and music
playing and having a beautiful space and buying flowers and
I don't put things on the side, and yeah we're
in a rental, but I'm going to be doing the
front garden. I'm making it a beautiful space because I
want to wake up every day being like this is home.
When I come home, I'm like, oh, these things need
to be done. Like yeah, I think it's just the

(33:45):
nature of me because it's always thinking about how are
we setting this up and bringing it together, and yeah,
I think that's what it is. It's that energy.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
How do you hope people feel when they come.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
To your home. I hope they feel comfortable. I hope
they feel inspired as well. Like I love to talk
about home, Like you know, when people see things and
they feel motivated. I think that's why I like to
share it, because I've discovered things and then I want
to share it with people. Or my friends say, how
do you get your bed? Is amazing? How do I
make it like yours? Like, right, well, we're going to
do this and this They're like, this is incredible. So
that's what makes me film it and talk about it. Yeah,

(34:16):
Like my videos are ultimately inquiries and questions that my
friends have asked me in real life. Speaking to that
home thing too, I've noticed them living in a house
versus an apartment. Now I inspire my neighbors. So if
I do guarding, someone will fine, then the neighbor will
start doing something. Or if I start decorating for the
holidays like Christmas, they like, oh, that's the symbol you've

(34:36):
started decorating.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
But do they acknowledge that verbally or do they just
sort of like you just noticed they're starting to.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Some do it don't, And like I put like a
lantern at the front door because they had like a
little conel and they're like, oh, we need a lantern
on the front for the terrace because it's nicer. Yeah,
And then like the neighbors did it, and then they're like,
we're not copying you, but also we were inspired by
I was like, you do it because I'd rather, you know,
get into it and do it. So I think I
I just have something about me where people, you know,

(35:04):
I inspire people.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
You love it, yeah, and they love it.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And it's not in like oh look at me, look
at it. It's just an like, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, because you don't care if they want to do
it all No.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
And I think that's a thing too. I think sometimes
people can read it the wrong way because I don't
do it for others. I do do it for me,
and I think sometimes people think that people who do.
I think that's the thing too with homemaking. People worry
of the scrutiny that they get with trying and making
things nice. And it's not meant to be a reflection

(35:34):
of others. It's not meant to make you feel bad.
It's there for the person because they want to do
that because they love it. So like when my neighbor
does like something because they've seen me do it, it's
not me saying, oh, I can't believe that. Like the
state of your yard, I'm not looking at their yard.
I'm just looking at the front down and go, oh,
this is what I want to do. You're so right.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I had Meil Whittaker on the podcast recently and he
was saying when he became a judge on the Block,
the invitations dried up, oh, because people are so worried
about what he would say or think about their homes.
And he said, genuinely, I judge no one.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, Ultimately, we just like we judge ourselves the most.
I think everybody's like that. Sometimes within this space you
might get thrown the Miranda Priestley car to bit. It's
almost like they don't want any Miranda's, but at the
same time they're craving for Miranda. And I think all
that is is it's about craving guidance and direction, and
I think people sometimes want that. And that's why I

(36:31):
always preach learn all the rules and then break them,
because I feel like in this era we do feel
like I've had so many freedoms and like, do whatever
you want and have the space. However, you feel to
the point where the brief is so open. It's like
I'm restricted because I don't know what to do. I
don't know where to go. And I started with this
because I was like, oh, I'll pick up this, and
then that doesn't go with that anymore. So I think
it's really about building that foundation first, and I'm going

(36:54):
to start here with the rugs, the curtains and the lighting.
Then I'm going to get my foundational pieces like the
sofa and the coffee table. Then I'm going to buy
the home to court after. I also think too, Sorry
that randomly brought up artwork. I get a question about
artwork all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, what do people ask?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
They just go what art should I buy? What do
you recommend? And because of my.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Hard to know without seeing their homes.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I agree, I agree, and I think art is really special.
But also in my design background too, again i'm that
form function, so I think art is beautiful, but also
I don't think it's the priority if you haven't set
up your space yet. Yeah, it's meant to be the
finishing touch. It's meant to be something that brings the
space together, that feels like a reflection of you and

(37:35):
the space. It shouldn't be doing the heavy lifting. Yeah,
some people want to go straight to art and not
in a way where they feel inspired by it. I
think that's great, But in terms of where they feel
like it's just doing all the heavy lifting and everything
else doesn't have to be as good.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, that's not as nice.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
No, it's better to do it later.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
If our listeners could take away one tip before they
buy anything, what would you.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Advise them anything? Okay, I would look at the size
and the material okay, and what it's being used for,
because I only go for natural materials. But then if
it's meant to be used in a really functional space,
you might not want to because it needs to clean easily.
And also the size and the scale. Like we've spoken

(38:18):
about it before, I was saying go bigger, Like, go bigger.
Don't buy the console that's a bit smaller because it
was cheaper. You better to save a little bit more
and get the more exaggerated version because it's going to
stand the test of time a lot longer. Because it's
a big emphasis on timelessness at the moment, I've cursed,
and I think the way for something to feel as
timeless as possible is if it's in a natural material

(38:41):
and in a semi organic curved kind of shape, because
it's things that we refer to in nature and nature
doesn't change that much.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Absolutely, So if it reflects.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Nature in some way and what has been made of
and the shape, it should last a long time.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Luis, we have some quick fire questions that like to
ask here on the edit, so we'll kick off with those.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
The first word that comes to mind when I say
home retreat, Oh good one, yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
Are you an introvert?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
No? I just think it's the place that you go
to at the end of the day and it's like
where you sleep. I think it's also the place where,
nine times out of ten, you're the most vulnerable with you,
when your partner or anything like you about your whole life.
It's probably the spot where you are. That's why it's
probably the retreat. It's the space that you feel the
most comfortable.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I love that. Next, we have shoes on or off.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, people are going to judge it. I'm shoes on. Same, yeah, same.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I know we're clean the floors, it's fine, but can't
be bothered.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, it's too difficult sometimes. And people have house slippers.
I think that's clever. That's true.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I do like a house slipper.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, and I'll walk around in socks. Like I'm not
saying that I'm walking around in shoes all the time.
But if I need to get through the house quickly
to go from A to B, because the front of
the house is there, but then the cars at the
if I need to run through or run through with
the shoes on, Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, your signature color that you'll never quit.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I want to say blue. But then if I was
a think, yeah, I'm gonna say blue because I feel
like I lean on it a lot in my fashion. Yeah, like,
of course people are going to accept me to say beige.
But then I was like, I love all the earth tones,
you know, and I am the king of the beige brigade,
Like that's that is my true calling and I will
hold to it. But I think i'd say blue.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I like, WEU I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, what's your color?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah blue?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, there's just something about.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I think, like you said, whether it's in my fashion
or my home. There will always be blue. Now for me,
it's quite nostalgic because my heritage is Dutch and so
you've got the Delft blue and it's it's something that
makes me feel connected. Yeah, my family, my heritage.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's a good color.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
What is a decourse blurge that you'll always justify flowers?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Real flowers, Yes, yeah, because they're expensive, not weekly. I'm
getting because I like them to last longer. Like I've
got lots of my videos back in the day of
how to keep your flowers lasting longer. I remember based
off me wanting to keep them alive for like two weeks,
so cutting off the stems like every other day, refilling
the water, keeping them in a cool space out of

(41:21):
direct sunlight, like that sort of stuff. And also because
of my work, I'm doing table scapes quite often, so
it is kind of a work expense, so it works
out for me. I don't expect candy, Yeah, I don't
expect other people to do it. You can get beautiful
faux latex flowers, but nine times I tend if you
get the white ones or really light colored, they go yellow.

(41:42):
So I also think there's beauty in natural things and
having those natural things in your home that show life.
So flowers are living things and they're beautiful at the
time and then they die, Like there's something very symbolic
about it. Yeah, and they also speak to the season outside,
so you feel connected to what's going on around you
in your environment to totally with it. Everybody else to

(42:04):
buy the flowers.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
What would you want someone to buy you? What flowers
do you love?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I like tulips, I like hydrangers, the classics. I like
all the flowers for any season, you know, like rinunculous.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
On mass or mixed on mass.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
And I think you should always have at least two
bunches of anything and of the same thing volume. I'm
on the verge of three three I think on mass,
I think like two to three.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, that's my go to make it feel full.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, because if you change the variety and there's not
enough of it, or like say with hydrangers, you can
get mixed varietals of hydrangers, like the cone shape with
the round shape and that mixed together. You can also
dry them out beautifully, like I have a lot of hydrangers.
Like my partner will normally get me like hydrangers for
Valentine's Day, normally we got tulips and hydrangers. But normally

(42:54):
it's always hydrangers because I drive them out and they
last the year, so they're that thing of it was
like a little memento of that time.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
They last your love.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's nice. And they're not the dried flowers like
the Boho dried flowers from that era. They're like, we
don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Next question I have is, oh, bed linen, how many
sets do you really need?

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I was going to say how many sets do I have?
And I was going to ask you to take a
guess of how many I guess, Okay, how many do
they sets and sheet sets? Do you think I have?
Of each?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Twelve?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
No, it's more like I think I have about twenty
two do they sets? And about fifteen fifteen I did
do a carl That was the last time I counted.
But it's because of working it. I worked in bed
linen like I worked. It's been from like dairs, like
pottery barn, and now we're like pillow talk and everyone
that comes through it's lots of.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Bed linen lots and you've cleared some out.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, but I'm also one hundred percent linen sleeper. Mainly.
I love really that washed cotton and soft cotton has
come back through in the Egyptian cotton, which I do like,
but it's a different sensation and it's more of like
a soft tunic shirt fabric and you sleep on top
of it. So it's great for warm weather. But linen,
it is them are regulating so you can use it

(44:09):
year round. It more holds, it caresses you. It's softer,
but you've got to really beat the death out of it.
You've got to put a pot washing in the linen
because you know some people don't put towels in the
dryer and they go scratchy. Yeah, same thing with linen.
You've got to put it in the dryer and make
it soft. There's such a difference.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Have you used Oh I use linen for years, but
I say recently, I've packed it all the way and
I've gone back to hotel style the cotton.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, yeah, because it's crisp.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yes, yeah, I like an uptight bed. So you have
twenty two sets of bed linen A lot, yes, covers
during the covers.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, a lot?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
How many should a regular person have.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think you've got to speak to the season. Yeah,
and you've also got to speak to how often you're
washing them. So if you're changing your bed linen, you
need to have a minimum of two because when you
strip the bed off, you want to strip, you want
to put it back on straight away. You don't want
to be doing that thing where people wash and they're
waiting for it to dry. Some people do that, they
do that and they're waiting, you know. No, we need

(45:13):
one to say two minimum and then season. So two
for each season. Okay, so two for summer, two for winter.
That would probably be that set. And then we could
go further and look at color and stripes and be like,
you know, so we add a third one in of
like oh that's my fun color. But then you've also
got to think about is it a sheet set or
is it a do thet What color do you want

(45:35):
to see where? So that's where the collection grows out,
That's what I mean. But that's how you easily end
up with lots, you know, I get it.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I think we're at five or six there just that
everybody needs.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, if you're looking at your bed liting collection, it
feels now it just be like cool two for each season. Yep, done.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Simple. Next question, is a design trend that you will
happily never see again. Is there anything that you see
people doing now and just go, oh, please stop.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I want us to step away from dopamine decor. I
think there's been a bit of a thing around that
with lots of colorful pops of everything everywhere, and I
think it starts to go from dopamine to daycare, like
it starts to be a white box and lots of
colorful bits and bobs. I've spoken about it before, and
I think you can do color really beautifully, but it's
not as simple as just buying colorful bits and bobs,

(46:26):
because I get critiqued on it a bit with having
layers of earth tones. And I love color, but I
also love tonal color too, Like I use a lot
of tonal bed linen and tone on tone, and even
when I wear outfits, if I wear brown, it's all
different shades of brown because it looks beautiful. There's a
way to do color, and I don't want to just
do and adopt color for the sake of it, And
I think that trend sort of needs to move on

(46:48):
a little bit. Still use color, but in like a
beautiful saturated wayh tonal, nuanced, nuanced.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Absolutely. So the last thing I want to ask you
is what makes your home beautiful.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's the energy, It's the layers, it's the intent. It's
speaking seasonally to what's going on outside. It's like connection.
It's the restraint like I said before, or of like
things having a purpose but being beautiful at the same time.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
All those things are beauty to you. Yeah, do you
get any comments online what people love about your home?
What do other people say makes your home beautiful?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I think they just love my approach to it. They
love that there's a lot of layers in some spots,
like there's a lot of intention. So the bed, like
I said before, there's so many layers. There's so much
too making a bed, there's so much in that. But
then also when you step away from it, you wouldn't know.
And then when you walk through the hallway, there's just
like there's pieces of furniture that just stand alone and

(47:46):
they have a purpose and a function and they look beautiful.
And then you go into like a table and there's
all these layers there. It's about knowing where to layer
and where to pull back that I think makes it
feel beautiful.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Well, having you back with us on the edit, Thanks
for joining us again and dare I say it? I
will look forward to it next time.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, most definitely, I can't wait to come back.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Do you know what I love about Louis? He is
proof that behind every cheap or cheek verdict is someone
who thinks really deeply about how we live and how
we host and how we feel in our own homes,
not just how they photograph. From choosing Australian made furniture
for his terras to mixing all his gorgeous High Streets
ceramics and airloom Worthy Linen's Louis shows us that style

(48:37):
is less about price tags and it's more about clarity,
knowing what you love and backing it. Thanks so much
for listening. All the details are in our show notes
and we can't wait to see you soon. This episode
is brought to you by Luxeflex Transforming homes with beautiful,
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(49:03):
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