May 5, 2025 • 15 mins
Britt & Laura chat with superstar Alex Warren, and unpack the debate around dad bods vs muscles after Olly Murs sparked a debate over the weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
High Heart podcasts, hear more Kiss podcast playlist and listen
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are good Pickup with Britt Hockley.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And Laura Burn Brady or what our windows?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's my worries in the dust. Only good fabs are
all around. I've don't much, but.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I know our big get and what our want.
It don't matter where.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is the pickup.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Happy Monday everyone, you're listening to the pick Up with
Brett Hockley and Laura Burn.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We're both very excited about today's show because we do
have a superstar that we both low key can we
say we're crushing or I don't know?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, so I notoriously if you've listened to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Enough, don't know. I don't know anyone.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know anyone.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't know what's going on in the world. Once
we had Beyonce coming in and you were like, who's that?
Who's Yonce?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah? Okay, maybe no. Honestly, I'm so bad with celebrities.
I'm so bad with names. You'd never want me on
your trivia team. But basically the way it works is
like someone came in and was like, Hey, do you
want to interview this stuff, and I almost jumped out
of my skin for the person that we have on
today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So Alex off the chair, Well he's twenty four. I
centinly didn't do that. Alex Warren.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He is an incredible musician. If you guys have not
been following along with him, you absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Know his songs Ordinary.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, we'll just play it for you so that Britt
doesn't make everyone turn the radios off, but ordinary have
a listened to this also his amazing song carry You Home.
The reason why I came across him was because my daughter,
Molly May, came home from school one day. She is five,
mind you, and she said, Mummy, I heard the song
(01:51):
that I want to play at my wedding today and
it was carry You Home. He's just amazing, but truly,
the thing about him, his story, how he became successful
and going from what he experienced in his childhood and
his early twenties to where he is now.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's unbelievable. Guys, I love that you were like.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The way that I stumbled across him was my five
year old daughter. I stumbled across him from the three
hundred million downloads he's had from his song, but he's
brilliant and that is coming up, so you're going to
want to stick around now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I am so excited to introduce you guys to the
guests that we have on today's show. Alex Warren. He's
one of the biggest singer songwriters at the moment that
is absolutely blowing up across TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But also he has ed Sharon.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
He's our number one most played song here at the
station currently. You guys would know this song absolutely. It
is ordinary, this song right here. He's also known for
other incredible hits like Carry You Home. We has had
over three hundred and forty five points ever million streams
so far. But the thing that I am so excited
(02:55):
to be able to talk to him today about and
also to share with you guys is his incredible story
of how Alex has come from being He was kicked
out of home, he lost his dad when he was
a teenager. His mum also passed away and he lived
in a car and he has gone from being a
homeless orphan to being one of the most incredible artists
of our time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's really cool too, and I love to see it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
His now wife moved in with him when he was
living in a car, and I think it's really cool.
It's like you loved me when I had nothing idea
and she's come along that whole journey with him to
absolute superstar status.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So I'm so excited to talk to him today. Alex,
welcome to the pick up.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
We absolutely cannot wait for you to visit Australia in August.
Everyone is looking forward to it. To the fact that
I think you sold out in like two minutes. You
need to start playing some bigger venues, let me tell
you that much.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But you've gone from living in.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Your car to absolute superstar. How has that lived up
to your expectations? Because you do hear a lot of
people say like they finally make the top, or they
reached what they thought was going to bring them happiness,
and it hasn't fulfilled what they thought.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What's been your experience, It's.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Been really cool.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Honestly, it's been absolutely a blessing and I think it's
you know, I've been meeting a lot of cool people
this last few weeks and I've had a lot inchby moments,
So it's something where I've always dreamed of this, and
it's everything I thought it would be, Alex.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I've been following you on TikTok for quite a while,
and like second to your incredible music, is also following
along your beautiful relationship with your wife. Firstly, can you
just say her full name for anyone who hasn't heard
you say it before.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, my wife's still name is Cobra, Holy Bomak, Michlanio
and Elko, Glani, Nznan and Hughes.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It is the best name that has ever existed. That
you've been together since you were eighteen year old high
school sweethearts and now you're married. You wrote your incredible
smash hit Ordinary about your wife and about the truly
extraordinary relationship that you have. How has it changed as
you've gone from living in a car to being ridiculously famous.
(04:53):
How does your relationship change over those years.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
It's so funny. I don't think it's changed that much, honestly.
You know, we just love to watch Great's Anatomy and
hang out with our dogs at home, and it's just
now we do it on the road. I think relationship wise,
I'm always striving to be a better husband, try to
take around more dates, and it's slowly becoming a thing
where it's so difficult to find time, but yeah, you know,
I try to mix it in. But other than that,
it's been really cool. Honestly, she comes with me everywhere
(05:17):
we go, so it's it's it's like we're traveling the.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
World to go. How did you feel?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Because I did see that your wife didn't actually know
the lyrics to the song.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You wrote about her, what was sexy?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Did she tell us what the actual lyric was and
what she thought you were saying?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
All right, so she thought it was all my life.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'll do you like, I'll do it like, I'll get
down and dirty.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right right, and it's all my life. How do you? So? Like,
how do you?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Because it goes into the next phrase, take my breath away,
So it's supposed to be how do you take my
breath away?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's like a sentence, but instead it's all my life.
I'll do you as I'm.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Like to be fair work because the first one is
still a commitment, like you're still committing to long term sexy.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Time, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is the first one your mom has to listen to.
Kova's Mom's got to hear those lyrics, And the second
one sounds a bit more romance.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Thankfully mine's dead so she doesn't have to listen.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
To Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, Actually, do you know what? I do want to
ask you about a lyric that you wrote. I might
butcher it a little bit because I'm going from memory,
but you wrote something in one of your songs about
it being your mom's first time on earth as well,
and I really resonated because I think sometimes as parents
and as kids, we can hold so much resentment for
our parents, and there was something incredibly beautiful in those lyrics.
(06:35):
Why was that such an important thing to write for you?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Well, I think growing up, I grew up in a
broken home. My dad passed away and my mom ended
up drinking herself to death. And I think with that,
you know, I didn't I didn't have a mom, and
I held so much on her. I kind of was like,
you know, like, you're supposed to be my mom, supposed
to my role model. Instead you're getting drunk and falling
in a safe way.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And that was something for.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Me, whereas like Travis drunk, you do all these thanks
and I always judged her for it. But now that
I'm you know, twenty four, and I'm looking at having
kids soon. It's something where I realized I'm so over
in over my head and I have every resource possible,
and I can't imagine losing my husband and having to
raise four kids by myself. Yeah, and I can't imagine
of stress she was under. And I think that's something
(07:17):
really important and why I kind of wrote that song.
It's like, you know, as I'm an adult and I'm
getting closer to that, I've realized that, you know, it
was your first time on Earth two and I'm judging
you for the decisions you made without being in your situation.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Why was it so important to you to share those
really personal moments in your songwriting and how has that
helped you build your audience.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So I've had a lot of healing.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I still have moments where I break down crime like
that's the thing, And a lot of people kind of
asked me if it gets better, and it's a hard
question to answer, but I think with everything that I've
done and everything I've worked on and the songs that
I write, it kind of gives me perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But also you can see the growth from the first
song to where I am today. And it's cool hearing.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
People say that my songs have helped them, but I
feel like they fail to see how the songs.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Have helped me. And also this experience has helped me.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
And it's such a mind boggling thing to get behind
that I started with this writing songs about my parents,
and now I write love songs and whatnot. And it's
cool that you know, there's people who love ordinary, there's
people who love sav U a Seat, which is a
song about my wedding, but it's the I wrote two
songs for my wedding, a song that's a love song
and a song that's mourning the loss of my parents,
and so many people relate with both of them, and
(08:22):
I think that's really powerful.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think that's why you have come up in such
a unique new artist, because you have the most incredible voice.
But it's just not that it's the way you relate
to people as well. And I see so many people
at your concerts with signs that are like hashtag dead
Mum's Club, like dead Parents Club. There's so many people
that are and it's crazy because it links back into
your black humor. But I think that that's why so
many people relate to you, because not only are they
(08:44):
obsessed with your music, but they're obsessed with you and
your story. Were you surprised with how many fans you
had down here in Australia?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I was in mind bogged.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I couldn't tell you if you saw we were trying
to fill up a thousand cap rooms. Yeah, and now
we've gone onto arenas and it's insane and it's also terrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Dude, let me tell you my I mean, you have
no idea the range of your audience and your fan base,
Like we've been in your orbit for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But my five year old Marley.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is obsessed with you, like to a point where I
was like, how did this?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Even?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So she came on one day from school and she
was like, Mommy, I heard the song that I want
to play at my wedding and it was carry You Home, and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
We put it on in the car and she is
five years old.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I was like, yeah, well, there's probably some therapy we
need to go through for that as well. But it's
amazing and honestly, you guys sold out in thirty seconds.
Definitely need some arenas next time, not pavilions.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What I will say, Alex is I know people think
that we work in radio and we get access to tickets.
We were two people that missed out on the tickets.
So if you know anyone that can slide us in
a ticket, we'd love to come and see you while
you're here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'll make it before we let you go. Who's your
dream collab? You get to perform with anyone? Who is it?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Miley Cyrus on the girlfront and on the Guy Friend's
got to be.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
At I love it?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, amazing, two very tall ginger men together. It's what
we want to see in the world. There we go, Alex,
It's an absolute dream. Good luck with the tour. We're
so stoked to have you on show. Ordinary is such
an incredible song. We can't wait to see you and
to hear from you again.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Thanks for having me, guys letter Alie Alex.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So British pop sensation Ollie Murs.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We all know him. He goes viral many many times
for his songs, but he's gone viral for the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, because we were just talking about it with Alice Warren,
who was on and how I don't know anyone and
I can handle my heart say I've never heard of
this guy hell sing a song.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'll know his song. I don't sing anything, all right.
Well that's here's one.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know that Like, Yeah, couldn't spot him there in
a crowd, wouldn't have been able to pin him down.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, Well, let's hope he's not listening to this, Laura. Wow,
we're trying to get superstars.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
On the show when you're just cutting them off before
they even get hit. Okay, Well, here's something that is
not relatable. He's gone viral at the moment for posting
a body transformation. So over a twelve week period, he
did like a before and after just for himself, Like
he's gone on his own health kick to become healthy inside,
to feel better for whatever, like a whole bunch of
personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I do like that you say this, he's just done
it for himself to post on social media for really
his followers.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, no, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's motivating,
it's for him whatever. He the first photo because there's
two photos side beside the first photo.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
When people are saying, and I don't really like this term, but.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
They've said dad bod right, that is just because he's
not shredded. He looks like a very normal man. He
looks great, but in the photo after it is giving
two percent body fat.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
There is a twelve pack like the guy is absolutely shredded.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's giving you know when you see people go and
do like those bodybuilder poses on stage in their bikinis.
He's given that vibes in the second shot, but he
still looks very good in the first one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He looks great in both. So somebody has gone and
put a pole up. They've taken his photos and they've
put up Do you think Ollie looks better before or after?
They put both photos up and you can choose male
before male after, female before female after. Now this has
been seen like eighty six million times. It's caused a
bit of a stir on a should we be commenting
(12:15):
on people's bodies online? We already know the answer, right,
but b there's become a bit of an argument off
the back of it between men and women.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And it's a male that has.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Started the pole because more men are saying he looks
better after like wear he shredded and fit, and more
women are saying they thought he looked better before. With
the quote unquote dad bod like before he could grate
a carrot on his abs.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I am not surprised by this because I think that
we have very different perceptions around what it is that
as women we find desirable in other women's bodies and
what it is that men find desirable and vice versa.
I think that we find specific things desirable, and I'm
talking stereotypes, like I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Talking broad spectrum here.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, but there are things that we as women find
hot in a man. And it's not always you're like
chiseled abs and you're like oily body and everything else.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think body true.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was just thinking about men on the beach with
chiseled abs and covered in baby oil. Don't that seat
Not one person was aroused because there was a single one.
No one does that, but they would be They would fortunate,
totally okay.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But the thing is is, I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I don't want to say anything negative about abs
because my husband, Maddy Jay, he does have a good
set of them and.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's very into his fitness.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But I have in the past been equally as attracted
to people who would you'd say, had dad bods, because
I kind of up until meeting my husband, I would
have attributed someone who'd spent that much time on their
body and looking a certain way as potentially being arrogant,
or I would have made assumptions about their personality because
of the way that they looked, which I'm not saying
is fair. But I think, you know, even with women
(13:47):
like we, a lot of I'm sure so many of
us have been through the want to be thinner or
fit into a certain size, and often we're doing that
for ourselves or we're doing that to appease other women.
But you know, the men that we might be dating
don't necessarily want stick skinny little girls, you know, like
they want girls that have curves. I think the perception
around it is quite different to what we believe, is
(14:08):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
All right, back to Ollie.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
The common misconception is that he's ten times healthier in
the second photo where he's ripped, But it's actually quite
known that like one hund two percent of men in
the world can look like this. To look like you
have abs and muscles and nobody fat to this level means.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You are really really strict on your calorie deficit.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You're probably not sleeping well like this takes a lot
of hard work, and it doesn't always necessarily correlate to
being healthier. That is one thing like that is one
thing I absolutely want to say. But it's interesting because
even after the poll happened, the guy that started the poll,
he said, why are women lying about this?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What is your actual cause?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And it blows my mind because I had this conversation
with someone the other day literally this. I said, you'd
be shocked if you actually knew what women like like.
What men think women like isn't what women like, and
I think that's vice versa. But Ollie came out he said,
I wouldn't normally comment on stuff like this, but from
what I've seen, I just want to say that the
journey at the start of this year was for many
(15:07):
personal reasons, and not one of them was to spark
a debate and divide opinions. So it's very disappointing to
see this kind of reporting.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think that the big take home from this is
that what most people look for in a partner is
someone who's not so personally self obsessed that their looks
is the most important thing to them. And so like,
maybe you are that two percent of people that's really
lucky that you don't have to put a lot of
energy into working out to have an incredibly fit body
good for you. That's not really the case for the
rest of the population. And I genuinely think like the
(15:37):
things that a lot of men or good guys find
attractive in women is not how skinny you can be
or how big your boobs are, and vice versa. The
things that women like in men for heterosexual relationships as
not how big your apps are.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Totally, and if there's a takeaway message from today, any
of the men in the car, they'll listen right now,
embrace the dad pod, just relax, just just chill out,
because we genuinely don't.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Care that much. Yeah, i'd agree. Well, guys, that's it
from us today,
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live on the Free iHeart app.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are good Pickup with Britt Hockley.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And Laura Burn Brady or what our windows?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's my worries in the dust. Only good fabs are
all around. I've don't much, but.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I know our big get and what our want.
It don't matter where.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is the pickup.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Happy Monday everyone, you're listening to the pick Up with
Brett Hockley and Laura Burn.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We're both very excited about today's show because we do
have a superstar that we both low key can we
say we're crushing or I don't know?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, so I notoriously if you've listened to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Enough, don't know. I don't know anyone.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know anyone.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't know what's going on in the world. Once
we had Beyonce coming in and you were like, who's that?
Who's Yonce?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah? Okay, maybe no. Honestly, I'm so bad with celebrities.
I'm so bad with names. You'd never want me on
your trivia team. But basically the way it works is
like someone came in and was like, Hey, do you
want to interview this stuff, and I almost jumped out
of my skin for the person that we have on
today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So Alex off the chair, Well he's twenty four. I
centinly didn't do that. Alex Warren.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He is an incredible musician. If you guys have not
been following along with him, you absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Know his songs Ordinary.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, we'll just play it for you so that Britt
doesn't make everyone turn the radios off, but ordinary have
a listened to this also his amazing song carry You Home.
The reason why I came across him was because my daughter,
Molly May, came home from school one day. She is five,
mind you, and she said, Mummy, I heard the song
(01:51):
that I want to play at my wedding today and
it was carry You Home. He's just amazing, but truly,
the thing about him, his story, how he became successful
and going from what he experienced in his childhood and
his early twenties to where he is now.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's unbelievable. Guys, I love that you were like.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The way that I stumbled across him was my five
year old daughter. I stumbled across him from the three
hundred million downloads he's had from his song, but he's
brilliant and that is coming up, so you're going to
want to stick around now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I am so excited to introduce you guys to the
guests that we have on today's show. Alex Warren. He's
one of the biggest singer songwriters at the moment that
is absolutely blowing up across TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But also he has ed Sharon.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
He's our number one most played song here at the
station currently. You guys would know this song absolutely. It
is ordinary, this song right here. He's also known for
other incredible hits like Carry You Home. We has had
over three hundred and forty five points ever million streams
so far. But the thing that I am so excited
(02:55):
to be able to talk to him today about and
also to share with you guys is his incredible story
of how Alex has come from being He was kicked
out of home, he lost his dad when he was
a teenager. His mum also passed away and he lived
in a car and he has gone from being a
homeless orphan to being one of the most incredible artists
of our time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's really cool too, and I love to see it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
His now wife moved in with him when he was
living in a car, and I think it's really cool.
It's like you loved me when I had nothing idea
and she's come along that whole journey with him to
absolute superstar status.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So I'm so excited to talk to him today. Alex,
welcome to the pick up.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
We absolutely cannot wait for you to visit Australia in August.
Everyone is looking forward to it. To the fact that
I think you sold out in like two minutes. You
need to start playing some bigger venues, let me tell
you that much.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But you've gone from living in.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Your car to absolute superstar. How has that lived up
to your expectations? Because you do hear a lot of
people say like they finally make the top, or they
reached what they thought was going to bring them happiness,
and it hasn't fulfilled what they thought.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What's been your experience, It's.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Been really cool.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Honestly, it's been absolutely a blessing and I think it's
you know, I've been meeting a lot of cool people
this last few weeks and I've had a lot inchby moments,
So it's something where I've always dreamed of this, and
it's everything I thought it would be, Alex.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I've been following you on TikTok for quite a while,
and like second to your incredible music, is also following
along your beautiful relationship with your wife. Firstly, can you
just say her full name for anyone who hasn't heard
you say it before.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, my wife's still name is Cobra, Holy Bomak, Michlanio
and Elko, Glani, Nznan and Hughes.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It is the best name that has ever existed. That
you've been together since you were eighteen year old high
school sweethearts and now you're married. You wrote your incredible
smash hit Ordinary about your wife and about the truly
extraordinary relationship that you have. How has it changed as
you've gone from living in a car to being ridiculously famous.
(04:53):
How does your relationship change over those years.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
It's so funny. I don't think it's changed that much, honestly.
You know, we just love to watch Great's Anatomy and
hang out with our dogs at home, and it's just
now we do it on the road. I think relationship wise,
I'm always striving to be a better husband, try to
take around more dates, and it's slowly becoming a thing
where it's so difficult to find time, but yeah, you know,
I try to mix it in. But other than that,
it's been really cool. Honestly, she comes with me everywhere
(05:17):
we go, so it's it's it's like we're traveling the.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
World to go. How did you feel?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Because I did see that your wife didn't actually know
the lyrics to the song.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You wrote about her, what was sexy?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Did she tell us what the actual lyric was and
what she thought you were saying?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
All right, so she thought it was all my life.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'll do you like, I'll do it like, I'll get
down and dirty.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right right, and it's all my life. How do you? So? Like,
how do you?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Because it goes into the next phrase, take my breath away,
So it's supposed to be how do you take my
breath away?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's like a sentence, but instead it's all my life.
I'll do you as I'm.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Like to be fair work because the first one is
still a commitment, like you're still committing to long term sexy.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Time, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is the first one your mom has to listen to.
Kova's Mom's got to hear those lyrics, And the second
one sounds a bit more romance.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Thankfully mine's dead so she doesn't have to listen.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
To Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, Actually, do you know what? I do want to
ask you about a lyric that you wrote. I might
butcher it a little bit because I'm going from memory,
but you wrote something in one of your songs about
it being your mom's first time on earth as well,
and I really resonated because I think sometimes as parents
and as kids, we can hold so much resentment for
our parents, and there was something incredibly beautiful in those lyrics.
(06:35):
Why was that such an important thing to write for you?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Well, I think growing up, I grew up in a
broken home. My dad passed away and my mom ended
up drinking herself to death. And I think with that,
you know, I didn't I didn't have a mom, and
I held so much on her. I kind of was like,
you know, like, you're supposed to be my mom, supposed
to my role model. Instead you're getting drunk and falling
in a safe way.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And that was something for.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Me, whereas like Travis drunk, you do all these thanks
and I always judged her for it. But now that
I'm you know, twenty four, and I'm looking at having
kids soon. It's something where I realized I'm so over
in over my head and I have every resource possible,
and I can't imagine losing my husband and having to
raise four kids by myself. Yeah, and I can't imagine
of stress she was under. And I think that's something
(07:17):
really important and why I kind of wrote that song.
It's like, you know, as I'm an adult and I'm
getting closer to that, I've realized that, you know, it
was your first time on Earth two and I'm judging
you for the decisions you made without being in your situation.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Why was it so important to you to share those
really personal moments in your songwriting and how has that
helped you build your audience.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So I've had a lot of healing.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I still have moments where I break down crime like
that's the thing, And a lot of people kind of
asked me if it gets better, and it's a hard
question to answer, but I think with everything that I've
done and everything I've worked on and the songs that
I write, it kind of gives me perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But also you can see the growth from the first
song to where I am today. And it's cool hearing.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
People say that my songs have helped them, but I
feel like they fail to see how the songs.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Have helped me. And also this experience has helped me.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
And it's such a mind boggling thing to get behind
that I started with this writing songs about my parents,
and now I write love songs and whatnot. And it's
cool that you know, there's people who love ordinary, there's
people who love sav U a Seat, which is a
song about my wedding, but it's the I wrote two
songs for my wedding, a song that's a love song
and a song that's mourning the loss of my parents,
and so many people relate with both of them, and
(08:22):
I think that's really powerful.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think that's why you have come up in such
a unique new artist, because you have the most incredible voice.
But it's just not that it's the way you relate
to people as well. And I see so many people
at your concerts with signs that are like hashtag dead
Mum's Club, like dead Parents Club. There's so many people
that are and it's crazy because it links back into
your black humor. But I think that that's why so
many people relate to you, because not only are they
(08:44):
obsessed with your music, but they're obsessed with you and
your story. Were you surprised with how many fans you
had down here in Australia?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I was in mind bogged.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I couldn't tell you if you saw we were trying
to fill up a thousand cap rooms. Yeah, and now
we've gone onto arenas and it's insane and it's also terrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Dude, let me tell you my I mean, you have
no idea the range of your audience and your fan base,
Like we've been in your orbit for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But my five year old Marley.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is obsessed with you, like to a point where I
was like, how did this?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Even?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So she came on one day from school and she
was like, Mommy, I heard the song that I want
to play at my wedding and it was carry You Home, and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
We put it on in the car and she is
five years old.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I was like, yeah, well, there's probably some therapy we
need to go through for that as well. But it's
amazing and honestly, you guys sold out in thirty seconds.
Definitely need some arenas next time, not pavilions.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What I will say, Alex is I know people think
that we work in radio and we get access to tickets.
We were two people that missed out on the tickets.
So if you know anyone that can slide us in
a ticket, we'd love to come and see you while
you're here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'll make it before we let you go. Who's your
dream collab? You get to perform with anyone? Who is it?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Miley Cyrus on the girlfront and on the Guy Friend's
got to be.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
At I love it?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, amazing, two very tall ginger men together. It's what
we want to see in the world. There we go, Alex,
It's an absolute dream. Good luck with the tour. We're
so stoked to have you on show. Ordinary is such
an incredible song. We can't wait to see you and
to hear from you again.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Thanks for having me, guys letter Alie Alex.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So British pop sensation Ollie Murs.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
We all know him. He goes viral many many times
for his songs, but he's gone viral for the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, because we were just talking about it with Alice Warren,
who was on and how I don't know anyone and
I can handle my heart say I've never heard of
this guy hell sing a song.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'll know his song. I don't sing anything, all right.
Well that's here's one.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know that Like, Yeah, couldn't spot him there in
a crowd, wouldn't have been able to pin him down.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, Well, let's hope he's not listening to this, Laura. Wow,
we're trying to get superstars.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
On the show when you're just cutting them off before
they even get hit. Okay, Well, here's something that is
not relatable. He's gone viral at the moment for posting
a body transformation. So over a twelve week period, he
did like a before and after just for himself, Like
he's gone on his own health kick to become healthy inside,
to feel better for whatever, like a whole bunch of
personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I do like that you say this, he's just done
it for himself to post on social media for really
his followers.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, no, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's motivating,
it's for him whatever. He the first photo because there's
two photos side beside the first photo.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
When people are saying, and I don't really like this term, but.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
They've said dad bod right, that is just because he's
not shredded. He looks like a very normal man. He
looks great, but in the photo after it is giving
two percent body fat.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
There is a twelve pack like the guy is absolutely shredded.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's giving you know when you see people go and
do like those bodybuilder poses on stage in their bikinis.
He's given that vibes in the second shot, but he
still looks very good in the first one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He looks great in both. So somebody has gone and
put a pole up. They've taken his photos and they've
put up Do you think Ollie looks better before or after?
They put both photos up and you can choose male
before male after, female before female after. Now this has
been seen like eighty six million times. It's caused a
bit of a stir on a should we be commenting
(12:15):
on people's bodies online? We already know the answer, right,
but b there's become a bit of an argument off
the back of it between men and women.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And it's a male that has.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Started the pole because more men are saying he looks
better after like wear he shredded and fit, and more
women are saying they thought he looked better before. With
the quote unquote dad bod like before he could grate
a carrot on his abs.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I am not surprised by this because I think that
we have very different perceptions around what it is that
as women we find desirable in other women's bodies and
what it is that men find desirable and vice versa.
I think that we find specific things desirable, and I'm
talking stereotypes, like I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Talking broad spectrum here.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, but there are things that we as women find
hot in a man. And it's not always you're like
chiseled abs and you're like oily body and everything else.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think body true.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was just thinking about men on the beach with
chiseled abs and covered in baby oil. Don't that seat
Not one person was aroused because there was a single one.
No one does that, but they would be They would fortunate,
totally okay.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But the thing is is, I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I don't want to say anything negative about abs
because my husband, Maddy Jay, he does have a good
set of them and.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's very into his fitness.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But I have in the past been equally as attracted
to people who would you'd say, had dad bods, because
I kind of up until meeting my husband, I would
have attributed someone who'd spent that much time on their
body and looking a certain way as potentially being arrogant,
or I would have made assumptions about their personality because
of the way that they looked, which I'm not saying
is fair. But I think, you know, even with women
(13:47):
like we, a lot of I'm sure so many of
us have been through the want to be thinner or
fit into a certain size, and often we're doing that
for ourselves or we're doing that to appease other women.
But you know, the men that we might be dating
don't necessarily want stick skinny little girls, you know, like
they want girls that have curves. I think the perception
around it is quite different to what we believe, is
(14:08):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
All right, back to Ollie.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
The common misconception is that he's ten times healthier in
the second photo where he's ripped, But it's actually quite
known that like one hund two percent of men in
the world can look like this. To look like you
have abs and muscles and nobody fat to this level means.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You are really really strict on your calorie deficit.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You're probably not sleeping well like this takes a lot
of hard work, and it doesn't always necessarily correlate to
being healthier. That is one thing like that is one
thing I absolutely want to say. But it's interesting because
even after the poll happened, the guy that started the poll,
he said, why are women lying about this?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What is your actual cause?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And it blows my mind because I had this conversation
with someone the other day literally this. I said, you'd
be shocked if you actually knew what women like like.
What men think women like isn't what women like, and
I think that's vice versa. But Ollie came out he said,
I wouldn't normally comment on stuff like this, but from
what I've seen, I just want to say that the
journey at the start of this year was for many
(15:07):
personal reasons, and not one of them was to spark
a debate and divide opinions. So it's very disappointing to
see this kind of reporting.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think that the big take home from this is
that what most people look for in a partner is
someone who's not so personally self obsessed that their looks
is the most important thing to them. And so like,
maybe you are that two percent of people that's really
lucky that you don't have to put a lot of
energy into working out to have an incredibly fit body
good for you. That's not really the case for the
rest of the population. And I genuinely think like the
(15:37):
things that a lot of men or good guys find
attractive in women is not how skinny you can be
or how big your boobs are, and vice versa. The
things that women like in men for heterosexual relationships as
not how big your apps are.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Totally, and if there's a takeaway message from today, any
of the men in the car, they'll listen right now,
embrace the dad pod, just relax, just just chill out,
because we genuinely don't.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Care that much. Yeah, i'd agree. Well, guys, that's it
from us today,
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