Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau have continued their hard launch tour in Tokyo, posting a carousel of sushi dates and neon lights... and you know what? We're here for it.
Sabrina Carpenter has finally addressed the controversy around her Man’s Best Friend cover in a new Variety interview, revealing what she actually meant... she's also doubled down on her cheeky, hyper-sexualised persona and the way it's perceived.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cassani La Kitch
and coming up on the show today, Sabrina Carpenter is
Variety's new cover star, and she talks a little bit
about her tour, where she is in her life now,
but also addresses her biggest controversy from the last year,
which we're going to get into. And also, it's such
(00:38):
a huge day. It's kind of like Christmas and a
stressful day at the same time because the Golden Globe
nominations for twenty twenty six have come in. We're going
to go through them. So many stubs, so many surprises.
It's got me really stressed for the Oscars race. So
we're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, so.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Katy Perry and Justin Trejou have officially hard launched their relationship,
even though we have seen that quite a few times before,
but Katy Perry shared a bunch of carousel images on
her Instagram of her own Tokyo. It's really giving like
cute couple's trip these images.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, out of.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All the hard launches, they've done, and as you said,
there have been so many. We had the whole chronological
order of their first date in Canada, every restaurant, they
went to the park, they went to the path, they
walked the dog on everything they ordered. And then the
yacht photos, which again weren't them putting them out where
they were like kissing on top of the yacht, but
they were in a paparazzi area, so they obviously were
(01:32):
happy for that to be like their official paparazzi debut.
And then walking out of Crazy Horse hand in hand
for her birthday, that was again a bit chica under
the radar, And I feel like they've been building up
to an Instagram hard launch, which for elder millennials is
the most intense thing you can do, Like it's like
having a ring.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It is, and it's also I love how she put
it as the second image. So the first image is
like a little dancing figurine, you know, that you find
in all the streets of Tokyo, and then the second
image is them. It's just a very cute classic couples shot.
Because I don't know about you, but I feel like
so many celeb Instagram feeds Noway, I'm so curated. It's
(02:09):
so like the images of all these official photos that
they've taken from magazines or on tour or whatever, and
this just feels really like organic and authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I mean, the placement of that photo.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I can only imagine she was in the group chat
with her friends going back and forth of where that
should be, because traditionally you put it last. Yeah, if
you're doing a bit of a hard launch via an
Instagram dump, you do it last. Or if you want
to be a little bit tricky, like a Sophie Turner,
you put a sort of obscured image, but you put
it about fifth in like with lots of group pictures.
The art of the Instagram launches like. People could write
(02:44):
books and I'm sure they will about how to do it,
which ones are the most successful. To put it second
is a real statement.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It is, And I actually love how you said traditionally,
like this has been around for such a long period.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Of time, I guess ten years of Instagram.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I feel like we've been through so many different
iterations of how you launch a relationship on Instagram. And again,
she's almost got like a traditional route, like she's a
traditional girl, just putting up a photo as the second
one and not just doing like his elbow or something.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We didn't used to have, like carousel images, like he
would only ever put one photo.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You had to commit to a photo, So that was
a whole thing. But also I think people shared a
lot more then and we're a.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Bit more kind of straightforward of like here's my partner,
even celebs, whereas now it's all about like not doing
a long caption, which I'm guilty of because I'm not cool,
or like not putting like a fully focused photo or
like not having a person's face in it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yes, I love that. But then there's also a really
cute video of them eating sushi and black and white,
and all of the comments on that are basically just
saying it's really cute, and they're calling him true daddy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh I mean, I guess, yeah, he's always had that
like hot dad vibe. I guess that carried him through
his prime ministership, and there's now like got him a
whole fan base.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's been like a tiny little controversy of this trip
to Japan. So basically justin Trudeau, as we all know,
it was the Canadian prime minister. He finished up this year.
But when he was in Japan, he went to this
like diplomatic visit and Katy Perry is there with these
two diplomats, and Justin's the one who posts the photo,
and Katie's standing there and everyone's like, oh my god,
(04:15):
what's she wearing. She's wearing like a really short little
mini skirt. And I was like, she's a pop star.
She's not a politician's wife here. She is a pop
star and he is following her, and.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She's in the middle of her own world tour at
the moment, and so with her, like you know, all
the press books she has that in the costumes and stuff,
it would be so weird if she turned up to
that event in like a full woolen kind of suit
or was trying to be like a Jackie O or
something like that, it would look like she was wearing costume.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Men.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, she's wearing stockings. That's fine. I think it's fine.
The other comparison people are making is that back around
New Year's in twenty twenty four, Katy Perry and all
Anti Blue were with each other in Japan, and some
very keen people on the internet have assumed or deduced
that these two restaurants are the same restaurant, the same
(05:04):
sushi restaurant and theyn Now compare the two images and
it's kind of wild to me that just December last year,
Lando and Katie were like a happy little couple and
now she's got this whole new relationship with True Daddy.
But look, they look very happy. People excited to see
them together. I'm really looking forward to the next iteration
(05:25):
of Katy Perry and True Daddy Dad.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So, Sabrina Carpenter is Variety's new cover star and the
title of the story is Sabrina Carpenter's Wild Year of
Man's best Friend Taylor Swift and growing up. And then
there's like a little subheading that says, it's not my fault.
I got a job when I was twelve and you
won't let me evolve, which I feel is a really
great and important quote from her that I'm surprised she's
not wearing on a T shirt at this step.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It is so valid and something that happens to so
many of our child stars, Disney stars. They all say
the same thing, you know, even like Millie Bobby Brown
has said it recently. She's like, you guys, knew me
when I was a kid. I'm now an adult, Like
let me grow up, yeah, which I do.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm sure it is always really tiring for child stars
to have to go through this whole rigmarole every time
they evolve into something else, especially from being a Disney
child star and like being on like those cutes thing
comedies and all that sort of stuff like Sabrina Carpenter was.
It's like it's very regimented behind the scenes of how
a child star like that has to look, how they
have to behave, how they have to speak, and so
(06:27):
as she's evolved into this like overly sexy, playful, babied
old kind of persona that she has on stage, it's
such a huge jump. I'm sure that's like hard to address.
I think it's like not about putting it on individual
people like a Millie Bobby Brown or Sabrina Carpenter or
that sort of thing. It's more so like when we
see this evolution from child star to pop star, it
(06:47):
only even goes one way. It's like they're really cute
and the next second they're like really over sexualized. And
even Millie Bobby Brown, like the backlash she's got for
like the hair extensions and the makeup she was wearing
in the gown she chose, and so it's just interesting
that you never see them go the other way. I
wonder if they feel like they have to break out
of that child star persona, if they have to go
so adult like, go so quickly the other way, so
(07:10):
there's no way to be pulled back into that area.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
My sense is that there would be this feeling of
I want people to see me in a different light,
and you can't make it a really subtle change. You've
kind of got to go go big or go home.
I mean, it can go really wrong. I think about
like Jojo Siwa, who went from like you know, Bow's
on top of her.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
She has something different, like she did she really do
something different she did from a child because the thing is,
if she had followed the child star to pop star playbook,
she would have come out overtly sexual like she would
have come out in like a tiny mini dress, like
had her boobs out again she's allowed to do. She's
an adult, really over sexualized makeup, posing topless in magazines
(07:52):
like she could have gone that way, and that's like,
which is wild to think the traditional child start to
pop star or actress like route that they take. Instead,
she still went quirky and over the top, like the
whole kiss inspired black outfit was a bit more adult
than the Brainbow Bows, but it wasn't to me, like
it didn't come out across as like overtly sexual, like
(08:14):
I'm trying to shock us. She tried to shock us
by going like a I don't even know if there's
a word for it, like really kind of like almost
like an anime character.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
The film clip though, she was like making out with,
you know, a woman on the beach and she's like,
I think that was her way of kind of trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Show a little around.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I actually think that her Betty Davis eyes is her
I'm a like a woman now kind of thing, because
I know she's she's like cause playing that character, but
she's a bit more like old Hollywood, like classic hair,
red lip, very kind of like adult lookings. I think
that was more like the kind of more sexualized way.
But yeah, I do think that's something that Sabrina Hartment
is really trying to kind of get across in this profile.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think it's also really interesting with Sabrina Carpenter and
you and I can't relate to this, but this is
she's such a small woman, like she's only five foot,
she's really petite. She references in this interview a lot
how people like see this it's like little girly like
and if for some reason, like people are constantly referencing
her height, it is such a huge part of her
(09:14):
identity and it does like infantilize her a little bit
cut light. I've never like felt like this, like little
petit dolly thing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's something here from short women a lot,
whereas they say like, oh, it's really annoying people.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pat my head or pick me up, and I'm like,
who's picking you up? But then it happens.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, I've heard that from my friends to like two
of my best friends are five foot and I'm like,
they get that all the time, like people are always
trying to pick me up.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The urge to pick up a short woe that's never
crossed my mind, like I would never see. And again,
we went a lot of tiny women in this office,
and I have never once had the urge to pick
one of them up, like you can resist it.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I do have to say, though this office is very,
very tall.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
We are.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now We've evolved till we got rid of all the
short women and now we've just brought in tall.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Women Amazon women every week, so n it's really lovely. Sorry,
mon ye.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I love how in this article Sabrina and the journalists
bond over being short and the trying to think of
her own height and she was like, oh, and I'm
like an extra inch, like that maybe sounds silly to say,
and Sabrina's like, no, girl, like every bit counts.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You add that on.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, And then they talked about it being a dick joke,
which I thought was quite cute, which again leans into that.
One of the things the interviewer did ask was about
the controversy on The Man's Best Friend album cover, which
we did speak about earlier on in the air, and
she was talking about how it like it really seemed
to like people were really really shocked by it, and
(10:36):
she was almost a bit confused about it. But I
love the way that she responds to it because I
think it's a very very clever way to address these
sorts of controversial things. So she says, it met one
thing to me and a hundred things to other people,
And I was looking at it and going that's valid,
mine's valid. What's for dinner? Not to buy bass the
(10:56):
weight that it did carry for some people. I saw
and it was like, that's a great point. It wasn't
the point I was trying to make. She's kind of
really acknowledging what other people are thinking, understanding it and
saying Yep, that's valid. It just strikes me as the
difference between the way Sabrina has answered a question like
that versus like someone like Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean Sidney Tweeney is one hundred percent got
a new PR team working around her because she's dramatically
changed her stance on things. I mean dramatically she's changed
her stance on things recently and kind of is addressing
a few things like the Jeens campaign that she hasn't before.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah. I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, the thing is, I guess an easier way
for Sabrina Carpenter to address this is like, it was
a scandal, but it was a pop star scandal. Yeah,
So if anyone's forgotten this scandal that really shook us
this year, it was the Man's Best Friend. The cover
for it and the photo was Sabrina Carpenter down her
hands and knees, looking all sexy and cute and short,
with like a nondescript man's hand reaching out the side
(11:51):
and yanking her hair up, and people were upset because
they thought it was sort of signaling like violence against
women or women being treated badly. And then some people
were like, no, no, no, like it's a play on her
whole sexy persona. And then there was this whole conspiracy,
which I'm so sad didn't come true, that the full
cover was going to come out, because this was pre release,
before the full album came out, that it was going
(12:12):
to show that it was like her hand like pulling
her own hair and kind of like like you know,
she's the one in control kind of thing, but that
didn't materialize. It was just the original photo. And in
this article when she's talking about it, she was saying
it was actually meant to show that you can be
in control. So she's like she's the pop star, but
there's someone else in control of her. And she's also
saying that like she was meant to be looking into
(12:34):
the camera with this expression that's meant to be like
a little bit of kind of intrigue but also pleasure.
But also to show that she was stressed. So it
was meant to be conveying all these different emotions. The
one emotion she said was like, it was never about
degrading women, and that's not what she wanted people to
take away from it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
To be honest, I never looked at that image and
thought that it was her being a submissive woman and
encouraging you know, violence. Excuse me, I never saw that
when I when I saw the image, Honestly, as soon
as I saw it, I was like, Okay, Yeah, she's
doing a player on the way that women can feel
like controlled in a relationship, or the way that men
(13:14):
or a new relationship can play on your emotions. And
I kind of understood that, but you know, everyone has
a different interpretation of it, and you've got to kind
of lean into it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, And in this piece, when the adrenalists asked her,
but what about the other photos you took? So obviously
she released more primo images, and I think she was
trying to get the story of like, were you trying
to backtrack? Were you trying to you know, push the
scandal away? And Sabrina Carpenter and this is so indicative
the way she talks. She was like, girl, I just
wanted to take some more pictures. And I was like, yeah,
sometimes it really is that simple that she just wanted
to take more pictures.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And honestly the pictures she's just there's something about her
aesthetic that's just so adorable to me, but in like
this really sexy way, which is obviously her whole persona. Yeah,
but she's wearing on the cover of the image, she's
wearing this little like prairie handkerchief thing around her neck,
like a doily kind of fabric, and she's got this
like who me look on her face, and I'm like,
(14:06):
I just love that.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The marketing for her kind of rebrand because the thing
is she's been trying to be a pop star.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
She was successful, but she's really.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Was trying to be like a mainstream, huge pop star
for over seven years and probably longer than that. When
she says like, I've been toiling away for over seven years,
that's kind of the number she often puts on it.
And then she's had this huge, huge breakout year, and
a lot of that is to do with branding, which
really could have fallen flat because it comes across as
so old school and so kind of advertly sexual. But
(14:35):
the thing is she's able to put this beautiful kind
of like playfulness and a reverence through it that doesn't
feel like an act, like the way she talks and
the whole stick that she has on stage when she
opens her tour with like the whole being in the
bath tub and running across the towel and like not
being able to like get the mic down, and.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
She's like, I'm so tiny. I don't know what to do.
Because you know, if you're sure, you got to use it.
That's why I don't know. I didn't forgot her that.
But it's all these little things, like the sexiness wouldn't
work unless the comedy side of it works.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
She's like an old school kind of like a old
school sitcom lucial Ball, almost.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Very loose sial Ball. I really do get that sense
of this kind of nineteen fifties quirky, sexy Lucilleball thing
from her hundred percent. It's really interesting because as part
of this cover, she was the twenty twenty five Variety
Hit Maker and they had you know, a brunch out
in La and she accepted her award and one of
(15:26):
the things she says she's like, the easiest way to
write a bad song is to try to write a hit,
And she's referencing the early years of her career when
the studio were really forcing her to try and write
these big kits, and she talks to being really creatively
stifled in that sort of era of her career. And
then the other thing she says, and I think this
is part of this cheekiness that she has, like you've
(15:47):
got to call men stupid in as many ways as
you can.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, love that from her. She's really leading the charge
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Not that the Variety cover wasn't interesting and obviously some
of it took part at the concert with like how
women perceive her, and like it's so interesting too that
as much as she's like overly sexual and like this
kind of like rough and tumble sex pinup girl, like
her fandom really is women, and women love her for that,
like Sabrina Carpenter is for the girls, not the boys, absolutely,
which I really love because again, if she didn't have
(16:15):
that kind of smart playfulness, she would only really be
appealing to men. But it's the girls who like find
something in her that they feel like kind of champions them,
which is such a hard line to walk. But I
did love her speech at Variety where she was talking
about just the creative process, which I feel is something
that we never assigned to talking about Sabrina Carpenter. That's
usually like that's a Taylor Swift or Gracie Abrams or
(16:36):
a Chapel Roone. And when she was saying like, if
you sit down and you try and write something, and
you're thinking about what the critics will say, and you're
thinking about what people will say about this, and you're
trying to write, like what line will people like pull
out of this that will be the hit? What will
they play on radio stations, you instantly just fail. And
I was like, Oh, that's good advice.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think it's really interesting that you mentioned Taylor Swift
because obviously she was on the Taylor Swift album, and
you know, she talks a little bit about working with
her and having a great vibe with her. What I
do find interesting is how her cheeky, little quirky lines
that she writes in her music, those seem to land
a little bit better than, for example, would in the
(17:14):
Taylor Swift album. If you look at the like the
public reaction to both of those songs, which is effectively
the same thing. They're doing, these cheeky things. Why didn't
it work as well for Taylor Swift in the public
as it did for Sabrina. Is it because Sabrina has
more of that vibe already?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I think that was such an interesting thing when Taylorsift's
like latest album came out and everyone was dissecting it,
is that Wood was the one they pulled out that
felt like it shouldn't have belonged there, even though she's
been songs like that before, maybe with not exactly the
same lyrics, But I didn't feel like it was this
huge departure. But that was the conversation at the time,
is that everyone thought that she was trying to tap
into what Sabrina Carboner had done, and it was almost
(17:56):
like this elder pop star, even though she's on like
thirty five, this elder pop star kind of leaching onto
this younger pop star and trying to pull her fandom over.
I think probably the simpler answer is that Taylor's of
like everyone else, is just very inspired by people around her.
I know, we don't assign that to her because she's
meant to be in a league of her own. But
I do think that she's as much as other stars
are or just people very kind of swayed by the
(18:18):
music she listens to and the music that people that
she hears people around her singing. And she probably is
also in a different place in her life, being in
love writing and so writing a happier album. So I
don't think it was like she was copying Sabrina Carpenter, but.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I do No, I don't think she was either. It
was more about it was for me, it was just
more interesting to see the reception. Well yeh, because in isolation,
they're the same sort of thing. It's talking about the
same thing. It's women enjoying sex and women playing and
that's the fun of it. It's both funny.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I think with Life of a show Girl, there's a
lot happening.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, because you had songs like about canceled friends, you
had songs about being in love, you had songs about
like feuds with Charlie XCX and stuff, and so I
think maybe that had been like the core through the
whole album. Maybe, But because it was kind of just
in there and then like the other songs quite tonally different,
it felt like.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
A job Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think people thought it was gimmicky, maybe too, just
like a few of the lines. Again, I don't think
I think that, but I think their collaboration made her
a bigger target for people to think that she was
trying to like be Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I am so obsessed with her at the moment. This year,
she has been my standout celeb and pop star. Like
I eat up everything she does.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, I just love I actually think frothy pop.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I know people think it's a bit throw away and stuff,
but I think to come up with a really good
she's a frothy pop song that really gets into your
life that you want to listen to on repeat, it
can be really hard and to have all these little
gimmicky things to have them land in the correct way
is also really difficult. So I think that she actually
like she's got all like the you know, the money
and stuff and everything, so she's like being rewarded in
(19:49):
that way. But I think like being like in the
mix for like the Grammys and being a bit more
critically acclaimed and having these sellout stadium tours has been
a bit more Again, as she said, like she's like
I've been working for years, and for years she put
out albums no one listened. She put out more albums,
no one listened. Everyone just saw her as this kind
of like star who was trying to be a pop star,
and no one saw her as someone who could even sing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's just like we always think everyone's an overnight success,
but there's just really no overnight success. People don't really exist.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So Jack Antanov did introduce her at this particular award
and he said, she's just really smart.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, and I believe that that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
At its core is what we should be taking away
from Sabrina Carpenter. She knows exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, she's a smart girl. Well, we'll link the full
Variety interview in our show notes. There's a lot more
there to get into, so it's well worth a Readana
Da Okay, So the Golden Globe nominations for twenty twenty
six have been announced. So we have one standout movie already,
which I was kind of hoping that there would be
maybe a bit more push and pull between the movies
(20:52):
this year because we are shaping up to sort of
know who we're going to win. Some of the Oscar categories.
So for a surprise to No. One, one battle after
another leads the nomination. So it has nine nominations including
Best Picture, Director and Screenwriter. Then we have sentimental value. Again,
no surprises there A lot of these movies have been
tailored for the Oscars race. Sorry, no surprise, they're in
(21:14):
the mix with has eight nominations, followed by and this
is what I'm excited about, Sinners with seven nominations because
of its vampire nature, often something that the Oscars would
sort of push out of the way. Golden Globes, they're
a bit more foo loose and fancy free, so they
will let them in the mix as it's.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Kind of like the fun cousin, you know, like it's
this is the one that everybody enjoys, and it's really
the first awards show of the season. It is usually
a little bit give you a bit of an insight
into what's going to happen for the rest of award season,
and often they say, like if you win the Golden Globe,
you're kind of definitely in the running for an Oscar.
There's obviously differences between the two award shows, but it
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really is a great little tester of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yes, So the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's also the only big award show where you have
the film people and the TV people together in one room,
which is always a fun time, and a lot of
the industry kind of looks on them as like, your
award show has gotten huge, but it doesn't mean as much. Obviously,
they had that huge revamp after being canceled a couple
of years ago with like allegations of money and favors
trading hands. In terms of nominations, the Golden Globe people
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are also known to just like hanging out with celebrities,
which again relatable. Sometimes they just nominate people who don't
deserve to be nominated because they want to have them
in the room and have a drink with them.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's a big difference between the Golden Globes and the Oscars,
and this may seem minor, but it does attribute the
fun aspect of it. So the Golden Globes is a
dinner they actually sit down at tables and they're allowed
to drink and eat while the awards show is happening.
The Oscars is a theater set up. So the general
consensus among most of these celebrities. Is the Golden Globes
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are way more fun because you can actually like the
lay out and you like run to the bathrooms and
everyone's like running around. And it was the one awards
show that I was able to go to when I
was working at ME. I went and because NBC Universal
were at a time airing the award shows, and so
I was able to stand there and watch it. And
it is crazy, crazy, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I almost feel like now that people are so
worried about getting canceled and stuff, that they're not as
loose as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I'm like, bring back to the looser tables, That's what
I want to say.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So, yes, Sinner's with seven nominations, Hamnet with six. I've
only seen Hamnett this week in Incredible, Incredible. Now I
want it to win everything. Frankenstein is in the mix.
Netflix made sure of that, and Wicked for Good has
fired nominations. Wicked for Good not being nominated in the
movie category even though it has got nominations for actors
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and songs, which has I think hurt its chances a
little bit. But we'll get to that as we talk
more about the movie section later in the TV category
kind of quite expected. The White Lotus is topped with
six nominations, and like, I think everyone who's in there
is quite deserved. I'd feel a bit bad for Leslie
Bibb kind of missing. I feel like just because that
her section is quite stacked, that she keeps getting knocked out.
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Adolescence was also up there with five nominations. I think
that'll have a really strong night, especially coming off the Emmys,
where like all of those speeches just blew everyone out
of the water.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Only Murders in the Building I was really surprised at this.
I'm a big Only Murders in the Building fan. I
really really enjoy the show. I think it's quirky, it's fun.
Steve Martin and Martin Short just such a dynamic duo.
Selena Gomez has been nominated in the Actor category as well,
and I do find it quite interesting because now we're
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in the season I think we're in season five now
of Only Murders in the Building, and it has become
quite tropy. It's very formulaic. This season is very formulaic.
It is still very, very enjoyable, but I was very
surprised to see so many nominations for it. Something else
I was quite surprised to see as part of that
particular category is in the best Male Actor in the
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Comedy or Musical segment, We've got Adam body nobody wants
is Steve Martin, Glenn Powell, Chad Powers.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That was so shocked to me. I think the globes
just want to hang out with gun and power. And
again that's fair.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Flad, Seth Brogan in the Studio, Valid Martin short only
mad it is a million Jeremy Allen White, the Bear. Now,
I know the Bear is in this category, but it's
always one that's confused me. I don't think the Bear
is a comedy for a musical.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, And I just I don't know if there's another
way to have this conversation, like every year a conversation.
It's to do with the timing, and also you can
submit yourself to a category like you choose where to sit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Now. I know we have this every year, but I
just look at that category and I'm like, well, I
think Seth Brogan's probably gonna win for.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That, especially because Hollywood love movies and TV shows about Hollywood,
even though the studio really skewers the industry and kind
of makes fun of it in a way.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
In another way, it is kind.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Of like a bit of a love letter to Hollywood,
and there is a whole episode about the Golden Globes
in that show. So even though there were a few
people from the studio, like Catherine Hahn who was stumped
from acting categories, which is just so crazy, I think
they'll probably have another big run. There also Severance coming
in with four nominations, and I think it'll do quite well,
especially because we're not going to see any more Severance
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until twenty twenty seven. They're not even filed, yeah, because
they're not even trying to film the next season of
Severance until mid next year, which means it'll need like
six months production. So it's well over two years away.
So it's going to be out of the awards race
for a long time. So I think if they want
to give Severance some love, it has to be now.
Who knows what will be happening. I come in two
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years time.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I do love as well as Sarah Snook in all
her faults? Was that one I feel we can watch recommendation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, she's really great in that. I mean, we just
know that the Golden Globes. Love also giving Sarah Silk Awards,
which I'm okay with.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm time with that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I will give her all the awards. I love her.
I think she's so incredibly talented.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, the TV one is wild.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I guess there's just so much TV to look at,
and so it's kind of interesting. There's shows like you know,
White Lotus and The Bear and stuff and Only Murders,
the shows that are always in the mix and kind
of just plod along through every awards season. I think
it's kind of more interesting to at the newcomers that
they're really lifting up because they're the ones that are
going to sort of bring them back into people's consciousness.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So all her.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Fault, that's done really well. The Beast in Me, I
think that's got a really good push.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Pluribus pluribis.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, another another weekend. Well, you guys are got your
finger on the pulse pot.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, is that job? It is the job.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The pit also has had quite a few norms.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, I guess a few surprises with acting. Actually, I
don't think it's going to come in as heavy this time.
With some of the other big buzzy shows. A lot
of really big shows completely shut out, which I was
really surprised by Alien Earth. Again, sometimes those sci fi
shows don't get nominated, but this one was one that,
like it was so expensive to make, it's quite critically acclaimed.
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It was kind of set up to be this next
kind of like Game of Thrones thing, and even though
it's successful, it hasn't gone down that path, and I
think not getting any acting awards has really hurt its chances.
The Hunting Wives again, that is like cat.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Into the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They wouldn't have had those sexy women up on stage,
especially because it's got a second season. The Paper, So
that's the spinoff series of The Office, Oh Yeah, which
came out so bright and fast and everyone was talking
about and everyone's like, this is the comedy of the year.
It's the most beloved comedy and it's such a good
show if anyone hasn't watched it, but it has not
really found that critical acclaim.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's really fallen off a cliff.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
There is a massive challenge though with television, and I
think we all know this, the amount of stuff that
is coming out the it is so high volume and
things are churned out very very quickly. It's really easy
to forget one and to get lost in the amount
of really, really incredible shows.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
And there's so many people being left out, as we said,
like some of the studios, so Ike, Baron Holtz, Chase,
Sue Wonders. That was a huge kind of miss for me.
Dakota Fanning, for all her fault I thought she would
really be up in the mix with how critically acclaimed
that show is and how successful she is. Also The
Morning Show, Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon, you'd think that just
like their names alone and the fact that they're making
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this critically acclaimed TV show would really put them in
the mix.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I feel as though because it had such a strong start,
it has dropped off a little bit, kind of the
reverse of Only Moders. I mean, I know Only Murders
has been quite popular, but I feel like The Morning Show,
and this is me as a view of The Morning Show.
I loved season one and season two, like I really
enjoyed it to start with. It's kind of lost me.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, it's interesting with just with the star power, and
again it is so critically acclaimed, like so many critics
who I know this is not who critics are voting for,
but and it's like a different metric, but it's also
like their movie star status with normally for the Golden Globes,
get them in the room. One that I quite liked
was Meegan Faihei for Sirens. Sirens not a great show.
She's just really great in it.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It was a funny show because I'm very forgettable. It
is forgettable. It kind of it's in that same white
loaded to See Big Little lies like, it's in that
same genre.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I think it's more a career non for her. Yeah,
in terms of like we just love her as an actress.
We like everything she's in. She was kind of the
standout part of that show. So yeah, we'll drop her
in there.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Should we move on to movies. Should we start with Wicked?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, Wicked and interesting one So John and two shut
out of the director's category, Wicked out of the Best
Musical Comedy category as a movie, which is quite huge.
I know a lot of people are saying today that
if you saw the movie then you would understand why,
And I know a lot of people didn't like it
as much, but it is still one of the biggest
movies of the Year, so for it not to be
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nominated here again, different people vote in the Oscars. I
do think it will sneak through the Oscars, but it
has quite heard its chances.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Both original songs made it in to the nominations, so
which actually did surprise me a little bit, both of them,
so the other both.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Of them are going to make it through to the Oscars.
To be honest, I think On the Bubble will make
it through maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think in the Best Original Song category, I do
think that we're also going to have another K pop
David Hunter's sweep on that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Particularly, okay with them to win that category, that's a
great song.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think it's We've said this before, but I think
it's a wonderful, wonderful song. I think the Miley Cyrus
one is still a little bit too new to make
that impact. But then you know, wicked, I think you know,
we've still got Cynthia and Arianna getting nominated in their
respective categories.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, Ariana might win.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm actually, to be honest, getting a little worried for Cyntha.
Rivo's Oscar chances and the Golden Globes will be really
make or break for her. She wasn't nominated in the
Critics Awards, which is quite a huge snub.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Golden Globe.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
She actually made history as the first black woman to
earn two Lead Actress nominations in the Comedy category back
to back, So like that is huge. So she's making
history there. It's getting a little bit dicey if she's
going to get in now to the Best Actress Oscar Race.
And the thing is, she is someone who almost really
needs to win this Golden Globe to cement her chances. Again,
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it's different voting bodies, but it's really important to remember
that the Golden Globes airs just before the Oscar ballots
open to be voted in. So if you win a
Golden Globe and you get up on stage and you
knock it out of the park with your speech and
your front of mine, like Demi Moore did last year,
she got up, she won the Golden Globe, she got
up on stage, she gave an incredible speech about her
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career in the industry, and she didn't end up winning,
but that propelled her to the front of the Oscars race.
And I think Cynthia Arrivo is like kind of falling
out of people's minds a bit, so a win for
her and a good speech would not really put her
over the line, I think because I am getting a
little bit worried about her chances. I don't know if
she's sort of gonna how she's going to go in
the actual category because the other people she's against so
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best performance by an actress in a musical or comedy
rose Byrn if I had legs, i'd kick you. I
think she's probably gonna get an Oscar Onto like, she's
really hard to meet this year Kate Hudson song Sung Blue.
I think again, she's kind of like hit or miss
Chase Infinity, one bettle after another, I think she's the
one to beat.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think me too, Chasing and particularly because one battle
after another has really swept a lot of the categories
has been so so critically acclaimed, and then you know
we've obviously got Emmastone and Bogonia, which I think there's
been a huge push for.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Emmastone, and you can again, she's a double Oscar winner.
You can never really count her out. I think this year, though,
Rosebyrne and Chase Infinity are going to be the ones
to kind of move things around there and Emma Stone Will.
I think she'll be nominated for everything, but I don't
think she's going to have a big win. And then
you've also got Amanda Seyfred for the Testaments of Anley,
which again I don't think that's going to be the
hugest Awards contender there, but again really pushing her into
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the mix.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Now, we did get a nomination for The Rocko. Dwayne
the Rock Johnson got his nomination, which we knew he
was hunting for, and I'm actually just so happy for him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All he wanted with that movie was some critical acclaim.
So again I don't think he's going to make it
to the Oscars, but I'm sure he'll be happy to
be in the room at the Golden Globes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We've also got.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Joel Edgerton Train Dreams, Oscar, Isaac for Frankenstein, Michael B.
Jordan for Sinners, which he is the one. It's not
just I think he's hot, although that Potner should be
rewarded too. I always say that he's incredible in that role.
He plays two league characters. Again, if it wasn't for
the vampire thing, he would be winning an Oscar. Jeremy
Allen White first Springsteen.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
To me, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Nomination doesn't deserve to be there. Springsteen wasn't great and
it didn't really get any traction.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, it's not really doing anything for me. But yeah,
I would say we're probably looking at Michael beaej Ordan
for that category.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, whether it takes him to the Oscars will be
something else to sort of see about. Okay, Best Actress
by a Female Actor Drama. This is where things get
very very intense. Because Tessa Thompson for Header We've got
in there, which I was really excited about because she's
great in that, even Victor for Sorry Baby. I think
she was sort of like a bit of a surprise
swing in there that people are excited about. Julia Roberts
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for After the Hunt, She's okay in that. That movie
didn't really get a lot of traction.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I would say, because if you look at this category,
this is our big, serious category. Something I've really noticed
is how many smaller actss have been pushed into these
really strong categories. Yeah, because if you look at this,
we've got Jesse Buckley, Jennifer Lawrence, obviously very famous, Renata Rensveay,
Julie Roberts, famous, Tessa Thompson and Eva Victor. Only two
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people in that category I would say, are really massive
A listers.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, so that's interesting because, yeah, Jennifer Lawrence Die My Love.
I think that when that movie came out, there was
a big kind of push that she would really be
in the Oscars race. Potentially she could win the Golden Globe.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think her and rose Byrn, just because they're both
in movies about like the trauma of motherhood and like
God forbid, we have two movies about that in the
Oscars race, the men won't like that. I think Rosebyrn
will kind of edge her out. I've got to say
Jesse Buckley and Hamnet for me is the standout winner,
Like she has to win the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So you just saw that this week. I saw this
has been very very hyped up, definitely one of our
Pixtus sort of watch over this Christmas period. What is
it about her performance that was so she's just ripping.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So raw and emotional and just like physical and just
everything about it. And I know people will talk about
Paul mescal and he was good in it too, but
like it's her movie and her performance carries it through.
And I think she's been someone who should have, as
I said before, she should have won an Oscar before this,
because she's had a lot of stand out roles. But
the thing is, you could wipe that all the way.
And Hamnet is just this incredible story of like love
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and grief and and like you just see this whole
gambit of emotions that she goes through, and the whole
like emotional crux at the end of the movie is
literally on her face, just the camera on her face,
and her face does all the work to take you
through all these different emotions and tell you how the
story ends. And I was like, God, that's hard. God,
that's hard to tell an entire story. And like movies
usually have this huge emotional ending that's special effects or
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like a plot twist and stuff. And to have the
movie sent her on the emotion of a woman's face
and have that be like the big hook out of
this world, I think, just give her, give her the
Oscar now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So Jacob Balordi has been nominated twice.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay, well he has to be laughing that, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And I mean I love that for him. I know
he's like a pretty big star, but I still can
always get really excited, you know, gets up there. And
obviously he did very very well in Frankenstein, and then
he was also nominated in a limited series, The Narrow
Road to the Deep Norse.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
He's really good, He's really good in that. I would
actually be happy for him. Actually, I would be more
happy that that series as a whole to win more awards.
But I think he's stronger in that than Frankenstein, even
though he was really good in that. So yeah, the
drama category kind of that's Frankenstein is nominated in that,
so that's a Netflix production. Hamnet is in there. It
was just an accident, the secret Agent, Sentimental value, and Sinners.
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It'll be interesting how that category swings, but I do
think just from what I've seen, Hamnet, I guess is
going to be the one. But also I mean maybe
sinners just because it's a different voting category to the
Oscars and they're a bit more serious. And then musical comedy,
we've got Blue Moon, Bogonia, Marty Supreme, Marty Supreme Incredible.
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I think that'll be a really strong Awards contender. And
then also on that category we've got no other choice
Nouvelle Vague, and of course one battle after another, which
again is probably going to sweep a lot of categories.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So there's two new categories. One of them is a
podcast category, but the first other one is Cinematic and
box Office Achievement. This category, I think is probably more
to Panda to Hollywood's need that look how well you've
done selling numbers. Abata Fire and Ash's nominated in this
category and it has not been released yet.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, but I think that's the pre box office numbers,
pre ticket sales and everything will really because yeah, it's
going to be a bit of Wicked could.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Take it out. But also Zotopia two's in the mix,
like I mean, K.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Pop Demon Hunter's got nominated in the True So yeah,
that's always interesting. One. That's just a way to get
all the big stars there who weren't nominated for the
Critical Awards. Yeah, and so this's a third year of it,
I think, so Barbie run it the first year. Wicked
won at last year, so it'll be kind of interesting.
We'll know beforehand because it's numbers based.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
But yeah, the Podcast Awards, this is the first year
they've had a Golden Globe for Best Podcast, which is.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Wild Okay, So let me just tell you the nominations
in this category and we can kind of unpack it
a bit, because I was why I found it strange
to do podcasts in it, because this is television and film.
I understand podcasts is a big medium and people should
be honored for it and the good work has been done.
So best podcast I'm Chair Expert with Dark shepperd Cala,
Daddy Good Hang with Amy Pohler, The Mel Robins podcast Smitelist,
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and Up First from NPR. Those are all just basically
celebrity interview ones.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, and look, the podcast one has been really contentious.
A lot of people are upper armsday because podcasts like
The Joe Rogan Experience is not nominated, and there's a
few other like really big, more political based shows, especially
some that lean a bit more to like the right
side of politics. On that I would say, like, I mean, yes,
like there is like a genre of podcast is obviously
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not in there. But this is not a voting platform
for numbers movies and TV shows like what we like
and what we don't like. It's subjective, like it's a
group of people who are deciding what they like to watch.
Podcasts are a little bit the same. It's a group
of people who are voting for the podcast they like.
And yes, in this case, they've gone for podcasts that
are very celebrity based. They're people who were really big
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in the entertainment industry for acting and now have gone
more into podcasting, and I think it is a way
just to kind of meet the fans where they are.
At the same time, I also agree that it's unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's a really unnecessary seric category. It does feel like
a little bit like again, pandering to just celebrities who
want to get honored. I mean, I really like SmartLess
as a podcast. I think it's great. I think they
have a they're a great trio. Good hanging with Amy
Poler I think is good. But I just feel like one,
I don't think the category should be in there at all.
I think there's like, if we're going to start honoring podcasts,
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let's let's move it to something different. I don't think
it belongs with the Golden Globes, and I would say
podcast works more at the Grammys.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, as a listening experience rather than a TV kind
of film thing. I do think Amy Pohl is probably
going to take it out, which is kind of interesting.
She's got such a long history with the Golden Globe.
She's so beloved all the smartlest guys. But yeah, it'll
be interesting. It does feel like it's kind of swinging
the focus. But also podcast are the biggest growing entertainment
section in the world, so I think if they're trying
to be relevant, they're trying to lean into that.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Okay, so this is the start of the campaign to
get the Spill nominated for next year.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yes, I just want to go and back the party.
I don't have to be nominated.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So the Golden Globes are going to air Sunday, Jan eleventh,
So we've got a huge build up. We'll be back
from our holidays and like ready and wearing to go
to be our first big award show of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Can't wait. Very excited.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Thanks so much for listening to this Spill today. Guys. Now,
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I'm tired. We're tired. But the Christmas break is almost
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Speaker 2 (42:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cassani La Kitch
and coming up on the show today, Sabrina Carpenter is
Variety's new cover star, and she talks a little bit
about her tour, where she is in her life now,
but also addresses her biggest controversy from the last year,
which we're going to get into. And also, it's such
(00:38):
a huge day. It's kind of like Christmas and a
stressful day at the same time because the Golden Globe
nominations for twenty twenty six have come in. We're going
to go through them. So many stubs, so many surprises.
It's got me really stressed for the Oscars race. So
we're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, so.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Katy Perry and Justin Trejou have officially hard launched their relationship,
even though we have seen that quite a few times before,
but Katy Perry shared a bunch of carousel images on
her Instagram of her own Tokyo. It's really giving like
cute couple's trip these images.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, out of.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All the hard launches, they've done, and as you said,
there have been so many. We had the whole chronological
order of their first date in Canada, every restaurant, they
went to the park, they went to the path, they
walked the dog on everything they ordered. And then the
yacht photos, which again weren't them putting them out where
they were like kissing on top of the yacht, but
they were in a paparazzi area, so they obviously were
(01:32):
happy for that to be like their official paparazzi debut.
And then walking out of Crazy Horse hand in hand
for her birthday, that was again a bit chica under
the radar, And I feel like they've been building up
to an Instagram hard launch, which for elder millennials is
the most intense thing you can do, Like it's like
having a ring.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It is, and it's also I love how she put
it as the second image. So the first image is
like a little dancing figurine, you know, that you find
in all the streets of Tokyo, and then the second
image is them. It's just a very cute classic couples shot.
Because I don't know about you, but I feel like
so many celeb Instagram feeds Noway, I'm so curated. It's
(02:09):
so like the images of all these official photos that
they've taken from magazines or on tour or whatever, and
this just feels really like organic and authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I mean, the placement of that photo.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I can only imagine she was in the group chat
with her friends going back and forth of where that
should be, because traditionally you put it last. Yeah, if
you're doing a bit of a hard launch via an
Instagram dump, you do it last. Or if you want
to be a little bit tricky, like a Sophie Turner,
you put a sort of obscured image, but you put
it about fifth in like with lots of group pictures.
The art of the Instagram launches like. People could write
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books and I'm sure they will about how to do it,
which ones are the most successful. To put it second
is a real statement.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It is, And I actually love how you said traditionally,
like this has been around for such a long period.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Of time, I guess ten years of Instagram.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I feel like we've been through so many different
iterations of how you launch a relationship on Instagram. And again,
she's almost got like a traditional route, like she's a
traditional girl, just putting up a photo as the second
one and not just doing like his elbow or something.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We didn't used to have, like carousel images, like he
would only ever put one photo.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You had to commit to a photo, So that was
a whole thing. But also I think people shared a
lot more then and we're a.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Bit more kind of straightforward of like here's my partner,
even celebs, whereas now it's all about like not doing
a long caption, which I'm guilty of because I'm not cool,
or like not putting like a fully focused photo or
like not having a person's face in it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yes, I love that. But then there's also a really
cute video of them eating sushi and black and white,
and all of the comments on that are basically just
saying it's really cute, and they're calling him true daddy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh I mean, I guess, yeah, he's always had that
like hot dad vibe. I guess that carried him through
his prime ministership, and there's now like got him a
whole fan base.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's been like a tiny little controversy of this trip
to Japan. So basically justin Trudeau, as we all know,
it was the Canadian prime minister. He finished up this year.
But when he was in Japan, he went to this
like diplomatic visit and Katy Perry is there with these
two diplomats, and Justin's the one who posts the photo,
and Katie's standing there and everyone's like, oh my god,
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what's she wearing. She's wearing like a really short little
mini skirt. And I was like, she's a pop star.
She's not a politician's wife here. She is a pop
star and he is following her, and.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She's in the middle of her own world tour at
the moment, and so with her, like you know, all
the press books she has that in the costumes and stuff,
it would be so weird if she turned up to
that event in like a full woolen kind of suit
or was trying to be like a Jackie O or
something like that, it would look like she was wearing costume.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Men.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, she's wearing stockings. That's fine. I think it's fine.
The other comparison people are making is that back around
New Year's in twenty twenty four, Katy Perry and all
Anti Blue were with each other in Japan, and some
very keen people on the internet have assumed or deduced
that these two restaurants are the same restaurant, the same
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sushi restaurant and theyn Now compare the two images and
it's kind of wild to me that just December last year,
Lando and Katie were like a happy little couple and
now she's got this whole new relationship with True Daddy.
But look, they look very happy. People excited to see
them together. I'm really looking forward to the next iteration
(05:25):
of Katy Perry and True Daddy Dad.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So, Sabrina Carpenter is Variety's new cover star and the
title of the story is Sabrina Carpenter's Wild Year of
Man's best Friend Taylor Swift and growing up. And then
there's like a little subheading that says, it's not my fault.
I got a job when I was twelve and you
won't let me evolve, which I feel is a really
great and important quote from her that I'm surprised she's
not wearing on a T shirt at this step.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It is so valid and something that happens to so
many of our child stars, Disney stars. They all say
the same thing, you know, even like Millie Bobby Brown
has said it recently. She's like, you guys, knew me
when I was a kid. I'm now an adult, Like
let me grow up, yeah, which I do.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm sure it is always really tiring for child stars
to have to go through this whole rigmarole every time
they evolve into something else, especially from being a Disney
child star and like being on like those cutes thing
comedies and all that sort of stuff like Sabrina Carpenter was.
It's like it's very regimented behind the scenes of how
a child star like that has to look, how they
have to behave, how they have to speak, and so
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as she's evolved into this like overly sexy, playful, babied
old kind of persona that she has on stage, it's
such a huge jump. I'm sure that's like hard to address.
I think it's like not about putting it on individual
people like a Millie Bobby Brown or Sabrina Carpenter or
that sort of thing. It's more so like when we
see this evolution from child star to pop star, it
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only even goes one way. It's like they're really cute
and the next second they're like really over sexualized. And
even Millie Bobby Brown, like the backlash she's got for
like the hair extensions and the makeup she was wearing
in the gown she chose, and so it's just interesting
that you never see them go the other way. I
wonder if they feel like they have to break out
of that child star persona, if they have to go
so adult like, go so quickly the other way, so
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there's no way to be pulled back into that area.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
My sense is that there would be this feeling of
I want people to see me in a different light,
and you can't make it a really subtle change. You've
kind of got to go go big or go home.
I mean, it can go really wrong. I think about
like Jojo Siwa, who went from like you know, Bow's
on top of her.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
She has something different, like she did she really do
something different she did from a child because the thing is,
if she had followed the child star to pop star playbook,
she would have come out overtly sexual like she would
have come out in like a tiny mini dress, like
had her boobs out again she's allowed to do. She's
an adult, really over sexualized makeup, posing topless in magazines
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like she could have gone that way, and that's like,
which is wild to think the traditional child start to
pop star or actress like route that they take. Instead,
she still went quirky and over the top, like the
whole kiss inspired black outfit was a bit more adult
than the Brainbow Bows, but it wasn't to me, like
it didn't come out across as like overtly sexual, like
(08:14):
I'm trying to shock us. She tried to shock us
by going like a I don't even know if there's
a word for it, like really kind of like almost
like an anime character.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
The film clip though, she was like making out with,
you know, a woman on the beach and she's like,
I think that was her way of kind of trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Show a little around.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I actually think that her Betty Davis eyes is her
I'm a like a woman now kind of thing, because
I know she's she's like cause playing that character, but
she's a bit more like old Hollywood, like classic hair,
red lip, very kind of like adult lookings. I think
that was more like the kind of more sexualized way.
But yeah, I do think that's something that Sabrina Hartment
is really trying to kind of get across in this profile.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think it's also really interesting with Sabrina Carpenter and
you and I can't relate to this, but this is
she's such a small woman, like she's only five foot,
she's really petite. She references in this interview a lot
how people like see this it's like little girly like
and if for some reason, like people are constantly referencing
her height, it is such a huge part of her
(09:14):
identity and it does like infantilize her a little bit
cut light. I've never like felt like this, like little
petit dolly thing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's something here from short women a lot,
whereas they say like, oh, it's really annoying people.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pat my head or pick me up, and I'm like,
who's picking you up? But then it happens.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, I've heard that from my friends to like two
of my best friends are five foot and I'm like,
they get that all the time, like people are always
trying to pick me up.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The urge to pick up a short woe that's never
crossed my mind, like I would never see. And again,
we went a lot of tiny women in this office,
and I have never once had the urge to pick
one of them up, like you can resist it.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I do have to say, though this office is very,
very tall.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
We are.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now We've evolved till we got rid of all the
short women and now we've just brought in tall.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Women Amazon women every week, so n it's really lovely. Sorry,
mon ye.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I love how in this article Sabrina and the journalists
bond over being short and the trying to think of
her own height and she was like, oh, and I'm
like an extra inch, like that maybe sounds silly to say,
and Sabrina's like, no, girl, like every bit counts.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You add that on.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, And then they talked about it being a dick joke,
which I thought was quite cute, which again leans into that.
One of the things the interviewer did ask was about
the controversy on The Man's Best Friend album cover, which
we did speak about earlier on in the air, and
she was talking about how it like it really seemed
to like people were really really shocked by it, and
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she was almost a bit confused about it. But I
love the way that she responds to it because I
think it's a very very clever way to address these
sorts of controversial things. So she says, it met one
thing to me and a hundred things to other people,
And I was looking at it and going that's valid,
mine's valid. What's for dinner? Not to buy bass the
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weight that it did carry for some people. I saw
and it was like, that's a great point. It wasn't
the point I was trying to make. She's kind of
really acknowledging what other people are thinking, understanding it and
saying Yep, that's valid. It just strikes me as the
difference between the way Sabrina has answered a question like
that versus like someone like Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean Sidney Tweeney is one hundred percent got
a new PR team working around her because she's dramatically
changed her stance on things. I mean dramatically she's changed
her stance on things recently and kind of is addressing
a few things like the Jeens campaign that she hasn't before.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah. I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, the thing is, I guess an easier way
for Sabrina Carpenter to address this is like, it was
a scandal, but it was a pop star scandal. Yeah,
So if anyone's forgotten this scandal that really shook us
this year, it was the Man's Best Friend. The cover
for it and the photo was Sabrina Carpenter down her
hands and knees, looking all sexy and cute and short,
with like a nondescript man's hand reaching out the side
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and yanking her hair up, and people were upset because
they thought it was sort of signaling like violence against
women or women being treated badly. And then some people
were like, no, no, no, like it's a play on her
whole sexy persona. And then there was this whole conspiracy,
which I'm so sad didn't come true, that the full
cover was going to come out, because this was pre release,
before the full album came out, that it was going
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to show that it was like her hand like pulling
her own hair and kind of like like you know,
she's the one in control kind of thing, but that
didn't materialize. It was just the original photo. And in
this article when she's talking about it, she was saying
it was actually meant to show that you can be
in control. So she's like she's the pop star, but
there's someone else in control of her. And she's also
saying that like she was meant to be looking into
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the camera with this expression that's meant to be like
a little bit of kind of intrigue but also pleasure.
But also to show that she was stressed. So it
was meant to be conveying all these different emotions. The
one emotion she said was like, it was never about
degrading women, and that's not what she wanted people to
take away from it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
To be honest, I never looked at that image and
thought that it was her being a submissive woman and
encouraging you know, violence. Excuse me, I never saw that
when I when I saw the image, Honestly, as soon
as I saw it, I was like, Okay, Yeah, she's
doing a player on the way that women can feel
like controlled in a relationship, or the way that men
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or a new relationship can play on your emotions. And
I kind of understood that, but you know, everyone has
a different interpretation of it, and you've got to kind
of lean into it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, And in this piece, when the adrenalists asked her,
but what about the other photos you took? So obviously
she released more primo images, and I think she was
trying to get the story of like, were you trying
to backtrack? Were you trying to you know, push the
scandal away? And Sabrina Carpenter and this is so indicative
the way she talks. She was like, girl, I just
wanted to take some more pictures. And I was like, yeah,
sometimes it really is that simple that she just wanted
to take more pictures.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And honestly the pictures she's just there's something about her
aesthetic that's just so adorable to me, but in like
this really sexy way, which is obviously her whole persona. Yeah,
but she's wearing on the cover of the image, she's
wearing this little like prairie handkerchief thing around her neck,
like a doily kind of fabric, and she's got this
like who me look on her face, and I'm like,
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I just love that.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The marketing for her kind of rebrand because the thing
is she's been trying to be a pop star.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
She was successful, but she's really.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Was trying to be like a mainstream, huge pop star
for over seven years and probably longer than that. When
she says like, I've been toiling away for over seven years,
that's kind of the number she often puts on it.
And then she's had this huge, huge breakout year, and
a lot of that is to do with branding, which
really could have fallen flat because it comes across as
so old school and so kind of advertly sexual. But
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the thing is she's able to put this beautiful kind
of like playfulness and a reverence through it that doesn't
feel like an act, like the way she talks and
the whole stick that she has on stage when she
opens her tour with like the whole being in the
bath tub and running across the towel and like not
being able to like get the mic down, and.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
She's like, I'm so tiny. I don't know what to do.
Because you know, if you're sure, you got to use it.
That's why I don't know. I didn't forgot her that.
But it's all these little things, like the sexiness wouldn't
work unless the comedy side of it works.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
She's like an old school kind of like a old
school sitcom lucial Ball, almost.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Very loose sial Ball. I really do get that sense
of this kind of nineteen fifties quirky, sexy Lucilleball thing
from her hundred percent. It's really interesting because as part
of this cover, she was the twenty twenty five Variety
Hit Maker and they had you know, a brunch out
in La and she accepted her award and one of
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the things she says she's like, the easiest way to
write a bad song is to try to write a hit,
And she's referencing the early years of her career when
the studio were really forcing her to try and write
these big kits, and she talks to being really creatively
stifled in that sort of era of her career. And
then the other thing she says, and I think this
is part of this cheekiness that she has, like you've
(15:47):
got to call men stupid in as many ways as
you can.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, love that from her. She's really leading the charge
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Not that the Variety cover wasn't interesting and obviously some
of it took part at the concert with like how
women perceive her, and like it's so interesting too that
as much as she's like overly sexual and like this
kind of like rough and tumble sex pinup girl, like
her fandom really is women, and women love her for that,
like Sabrina Carpenter is for the girls, not the boys, absolutely,
which I really love because again, if she didn't have
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that kind of smart playfulness, she would only really be
appealing to men. But it's the girls who like find
something in her that they feel like kind of champions them,
which is such a hard line to walk. But I
did love her speech at Variety where she was talking
about just the creative process, which I feel is something
that we never assigned to talking about Sabrina Carpenter. That's
usually like that's a Taylor Swift or Gracie Abrams or
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a Chapel Roone. And when she was saying like, if
you sit down and you try and write something, and
you're thinking about what the critics will say, and you're
thinking about what people will say about this, and you're
trying to write, like what line will people like pull
out of this that will be the hit? What will
they play on radio stations, you instantly just fail. And
I was like, Oh, that's good advice.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think it's really interesting that you mentioned Taylor Swift
because obviously she was on the Taylor Swift album, and
you know, she talks a little bit about working with
her and having a great vibe with her. What I
do find interesting is how her cheeky, little quirky lines
that she writes in her music, those seem to land
a little bit better than, for example, would in the
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Taylor Swift album. If you look at the like the
public reaction to both of those songs, which is effectively
the same thing. They're doing, these cheeky things. Why didn't
it work as well for Taylor Swift in the public
as it did for Sabrina. Is it because Sabrina has
more of that vibe already?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I think that was such an interesting thing when Taylorsift's
like latest album came out and everyone was dissecting it,
is that Wood was the one they pulled out that
felt like it shouldn't have belonged there, even though she's
been songs like that before, maybe with not exactly the
same lyrics, But I didn't feel like it was this
huge departure. But that was the conversation at the time,
is that everyone thought that she was trying to tap
into what Sabrina Carboner had done, and it was almost
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like this elder pop star, even though she's on like
thirty five, this elder pop star kind of leaching onto
this younger pop star and trying to pull her fandom over.
I think probably the simpler answer is that Taylor's of
like everyone else, is just very inspired by people around her.
I know, we don't assign that to her because she's
meant to be in a league of her own. But
I do think that she's as much as other stars
are or just people very kind of swayed by the
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music she listens to and the music that people that
she hears people around her singing. And she probably is
also in a different place in her life, being in
love writing and so writing a happier album. So I
don't think it was like she was copying Sabrina Carpenter, but.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I do No, I don't think she was either. It
was more about it was for me, it was just
more interesting to see the reception. Well yeh, because in isolation,
they're the same sort of thing. It's talking about the
same thing. It's women enjoying sex and women playing and
that's the fun of it. It's both funny.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I think with Life of a show Girl, there's a
lot happening.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, because you had songs like about canceled friends, you
had songs about being in love, you had songs about
like feuds with Charlie XCX and stuff, and so I
think maybe that had been like the core through the
whole album. Maybe, But because it was kind of just
in there and then like the other songs quite tonally different,
it felt like.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
A job Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think people thought it was gimmicky, maybe too, just
like a few of the lines. Again, I don't think
I think that, but I think their collaboration made her
a bigger target for people to think that she was
trying to like be Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I am so obsessed with her at the moment. This year,
she has been my standout celeb and pop star. Like
I eat up everything she does.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, I just love I actually think frothy pop.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I know people think it's a bit throw away and stuff,
but I think to come up with a really good
she's a frothy pop song that really gets into your
life that you want to listen to on repeat, it
can be really hard and to have all these little
gimmicky things to have them land in the correct way
is also really difficult. So I think that she actually
like she's got all like the you know, the money
and stuff and everything, so she's like being rewarded in
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that way. But I think like being like in the
mix for like the Grammys and being a bit more
critically acclaimed and having these sellout stadium tours has been
a bit more Again, as she said, like she's like
I've been working for years, and for years she put
out albums no one listened. She put out more albums,
no one listened. Everyone just saw her as this kind
of like star who was trying to be a pop star,
and no one saw her as someone who could even sing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's just like we always think everyone's an overnight success,
but there's just really no overnight success. People don't really exist.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So Jack Antanov did introduce her at this particular award
and he said, she's just really smart.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, and I believe that that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
At its core is what we should be taking away
from Sabrina Carpenter. She knows exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, she's a smart girl. Well, we'll link the full
Variety interview in our show notes. There's a lot more
there to get into, so it's well worth a Readana
Da Okay, So the Golden Globe nominations for twenty twenty
six have been announced. So we have one standout movie already,
which I was kind of hoping that there would be
maybe a bit more push and pull between the movies
(20:52):
this year because we are shaping up to sort of
know who we're going to win. Some of the Oscar categories.
So for a surprise to No. One, one battle after
another leads the nomination. So it has nine nominations including
Best Picture, Director and Screenwriter. Then we have sentimental value. Again,
no surprises there A lot of these movies have been
tailored for the Oscars race. Sorry, no surprise, they're in
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the mix with has eight nominations, followed by and this
is what I'm excited about, Sinners with seven nominations because
of its vampire nature, often something that the Oscars would
sort of push out of the way. Golden Globes, they're
a bit more foo loose and fancy free, so they
will let them in the mix as it's.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Kind of like the fun cousin, you know, like it's
this is the one that everybody enjoys, and it's really
the first awards show of the season. It is usually
a little bit give you a bit of an insight
into what's going to happen for the rest of award season,
and often they say, like if you win the Golden Globe,
you're kind of definitely in the running for an Oscar.
There's obviously differences between the two award shows, but it
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really is a great little tester of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yes, So the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's also the only big award show where you have
the film people and the TV people together in one room,
which is always a fun time, and a lot of
the industry kind of looks on them as like, your
award show has gotten huge, but it doesn't mean as much. Obviously,
they had that huge revamp after being canceled a couple
of years ago with like allegations of money and favors
trading hands. In terms of nominations, the Golden Globe people
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are also known to just like hanging out with celebrities,
which again relatable. Sometimes they just nominate people who don't
deserve to be nominated because they want to have them
in the room and have a drink with them.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's a big difference between the Golden Globes and the Oscars,
and this may seem minor, but it does attribute the
fun aspect of it. So the Golden Globes is a
dinner they actually sit down at tables and they're allowed
to drink and eat while the awards show is happening.
The Oscars is a theater set up. So the general
consensus among most of these celebrities. Is the Golden Globes
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are way more fun because you can actually like the
lay out and you like run to the bathrooms and
everyone's like running around. And it was the one awards
show that I was able to go to when I
was working at ME. I went and because NBC Universal
were at a time airing the award shows, and so
I was able to stand there and watch it. And
it is crazy, crazy, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I almost feel like now that people are so
worried about getting canceled and stuff, that they're not as
loose as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I'm like, bring back to the looser tables, That's what
I want to say.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So, yes, Sinner's with seven nominations, Hamnet with six. I've
only seen Hamnett this week in Incredible, Incredible. Now I
want it to win everything. Frankenstein is in the mix.
Netflix made sure of that, and Wicked for Good has
fired nominations. Wicked for Good not being nominated in the
movie category even though it has got nominations for actors
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and songs, which has I think hurt its chances a
little bit. But we'll get to that as we talk
more about the movie section later in the TV category
kind of quite expected. The White Lotus is topped with
six nominations, and like, I think everyone who's in there
is quite deserved. I'd feel a bit bad for Leslie
Bibb kind of missing. I feel like just because that
her section is quite stacked, that she keeps getting knocked out.
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Adolescence was also up there with five nominations. I think
that'll have a really strong night, especially coming off the Emmys,
where like all of those speeches just blew everyone out
of the water.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Only Murders in the Building I was really surprised at this.
I'm a big Only Murders in the Building fan. I
really really enjoy the show. I think it's quirky, it's fun.
Steve Martin and Martin Short just such a dynamic duo.
Selena Gomez has been nominated in the Actor category as well,
and I do find it quite interesting because now we're
(24:38):
in the season I think we're in season five now
of Only Murders in the Building, and it has become
quite tropy. It's very formulaic. This season is very formulaic.
It is still very, very enjoyable, but I was very
surprised to see so many nominations for it. Something else
I was quite surprised to see as part of that
particular category is in the best Male Actor in the
(24:59):
Comedy or Musical segment, We've got Adam body nobody wants
is Steve Martin, Glenn Powell, Chad Powers.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That was so shocked to me. I think the globes
just want to hang out with gun and power. And
again that's fair.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Flad, Seth Brogan in the Studio, Valid Martin short only
mad it is a million Jeremy Allen White, the Bear. Now,
I know the Bear is in this category, but it's
always one that's confused me. I don't think the Bear
is a comedy for a musical.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, And I just I don't know if there's another
way to have this conversation, like every year a conversation.
It's to do with the timing, and also you can
submit yourself to a category like you choose where to sit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Now. I know we have this every year, but I
just look at that category and I'm like, well, I
think Seth Brogan's probably gonna win for.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That, especially because Hollywood love movies and TV shows about Hollywood,
even though the studio really skewers the industry and kind
of makes fun of it in a way.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
In another way, it is kind.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Of like a bit of a love letter to Hollywood,
and there is a whole episode about the Golden Globes
in that show. So even though there were a few
people from the studio, like Catherine Hahn who was stumped
from acting categories, which is just so crazy, I think
they'll probably have another big run. There also Severance coming
in with four nominations, and I think it'll do quite well,
especially because we're not going to see any more Severance
(26:13):
until twenty twenty seven. They're not even filed, yeah, because
they're not even trying to film the next season of
Severance until mid next year, which means it'll need like
six months production. So it's well over two years away.
So it's going to be out of the awards race
for a long time. So I think if they want
to give Severance some love, it has to be now.
Who knows what will be happening. I come in two
(26:34):
years time.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I do love as well as Sarah Snook in all
her faults? Was that one I feel we can watch recommendation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, she's really great in that. I mean, we just
know that the Golden Globes. Love also giving Sarah Silk Awards,
which I'm okay with.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm time with that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I will give her all the awards. I love her.
I think she's so incredibly talented.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, the TV one is wild.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I guess there's just so much TV to look at,
and so it's kind of interesting. There's shows like you know,
White Lotus and The Bear and stuff and Only Murders,
the shows that are always in the mix and kind
of just plod along through every awards season. I think
it's kind of more interesting to at the newcomers that
they're really lifting up because they're the ones that are
going to sort of bring them back into people's consciousness.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So all her.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Fault, that's done really well. The Beast in Me, I
think that's got a really good push.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Pluribus pluribis.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, another another weekend. Well, you guys are got your
finger on the pulse pot.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, is that job? It is the job.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The pit also has had quite a few norms.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, I guess a few surprises with acting. Actually, I
don't think it's going to come in as heavy this time.
With some of the other big buzzy shows. A lot
of really big shows completely shut out, which I was
really surprised by Alien Earth. Again, sometimes those sci fi
shows don't get nominated, but this one was one that,
like it was so expensive to make, it's quite critically acclaimed.
(27:50):
It was kind of set up to be this next
kind of like Game of Thrones thing, and even though
it's successful, it hasn't gone down that path, and I
think not getting any acting awards has really hurt its chances.
The Hunting Wives again, that is like cat.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Into the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They wouldn't have had those sexy women up on stage,
especially because it's got a second season. The Paper, So
that's the spinoff series of The Office, Oh Yeah, which
came out so bright and fast and everyone was talking
about and everyone's like, this is the comedy of the year.
It's the most beloved comedy and it's such a good
show if anyone hasn't watched it, but it has not
really found that critical acclaim.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's really fallen off a cliff.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
There is a massive challenge though with television, and I
think we all know this, the amount of stuff that
is coming out the it is so high volume and
things are churned out very very quickly. It's really easy
to forget one and to get lost in the amount
of really, really incredible shows.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
And there's so many people being left out, as we said,
like some of the studios, so Ike, Baron Holtz, Chase,
Sue Wonders. That was a huge kind of miss for me.
Dakota Fanning, for all her fault I thought she would
really be up in the mix with how critically acclaimed
that show is and how successful she is. Also The
Morning Show, Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon, you'd think that just
like their names alone and the fact that they're making
(29:09):
this critically acclaimed TV show would really put them in
the mix.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I feel as though because it had such a strong start,
it has dropped off a little bit, kind of the
reverse of Only Moders. I mean, I know Only Murders
has been quite popular, but I feel like The Morning Show,
and this is me as a view of The Morning Show.
I loved season one and season two, like I really
enjoyed it to start with. It's kind of lost me.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, it's interesting with just with the star power, and
again it is so critically acclaimed, like so many critics
who I know this is not who critics are voting for,
but and it's like a different metric, but it's also
like their movie star status with normally for the Golden Globes,
get them in the room. One that I quite liked
was Meegan Faihei for Sirens. Sirens not a great show.
She's just really great in it.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It was a funny show because I'm very forgettable. It
is forgettable. It kind of it's in that same white
loaded to See Big Little lies like, it's in that
same genre.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I think it's more a career non for her. Yeah,
in terms of like we just love her as an actress.
We like everything she's in. She was kind of the
standout part of that show. So yeah, we'll drop her
in there.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Should we move on to movies. Should we start with Wicked?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, Wicked and interesting one So John and two shut
out of the director's category, Wicked out of the Best
Musical Comedy category as a movie, which is quite huge.
I know a lot of people are saying today that
if you saw the movie then you would understand why,
And I know a lot of people didn't like it
as much, but it is still one of the biggest
movies of the Year, so for it not to be
(30:37):
nominated here again, different people vote in the Oscars. I
do think it will sneak through the Oscars, but it
has quite heard its chances.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Both original songs made it in to the nominations, so
which actually did surprise me a little bit, both of them,
so the other both.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Of them are going to make it through to the Oscars.
To be honest, I think On the Bubble will make
it through maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think in the Best Original Song category, I do
think that we're also going to have another K pop
David Hunter's sweep on that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Particularly, okay with them to win that category, that's a
great song.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think it's We've said this before, but I think
it's a wonderful, wonderful song. I think the Miley Cyrus
one is still a little bit too new to make
that impact. But then you know, wicked, I think you know,
we've still got Cynthia and Arianna getting nominated in their
respective categories.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, Ariana might win.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm actually, to be honest, getting a little worried for Cyntha.
Rivo's Oscar chances and the Golden Globes will be really
make or break for her. She wasn't nominated in the
Critics Awards, which is quite a huge snub.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Golden Globe.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
She actually made history as the first black woman to
earn two Lead Actress nominations in the Comedy category back
to back, So like that is huge. So she's making
history there. It's getting a little bit dicey if she's
going to get in now to the Best Actress Oscar Race.
And the thing is, she is someone who almost really
needs to win this Golden Globe to cement her chances. Again,
(32:01):
it's different voting bodies, but it's really important to remember
that the Golden Globes airs just before the Oscar ballots
open to be voted in. So if you win a
Golden Globe and you get up on stage and you
knock it out of the park with your speech and
your front of mine, like Demi Moore did last year,
she got up, she won the Golden Globe, she got
up on stage, she gave an incredible speech about her
(32:22):
career in the industry, and she didn't end up winning,
but that propelled her to the front of the Oscars race.
And I think Cynthia Arrivo is like kind of falling
out of people's minds a bit, so a win for
her and a good speech would not really put her
over the line, I think because I am getting a
little bit worried about her chances. I don't know if
she's sort of gonna how she's going to go in
the actual category because the other people she's against so
(32:45):
best performance by an actress in a musical or comedy
rose Byrn if I had legs, i'd kick you. I
think she's probably gonna get an Oscar Onto like, she's
really hard to meet this year Kate Hudson song Sung Blue.
I think again, she's kind of like hit or miss
Chase Infinity, one bettle after another, I think she's the
one to beat.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think me too, Chasing and particularly because one battle
after another has really swept a lot of the categories
has been so so critically acclaimed, and then you know
we've obviously got Emmastone and Bogonia, which I think there's
been a huge push for.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Emmastone, and you can again, she's a double Oscar winner.
You can never really count her out. I think this year, though,
Rosebyrne and Chase Infinity are going to be the ones
to kind of move things around there and Emma Stone Will.
I think she'll be nominated for everything, but I don't
think she's going to have a big win. And then
you've also got Amanda Seyfred for the Testaments of Anley,
which again I don't think that's going to be the
hugest Awards contender there, but again really pushing her into
(33:40):
the mix.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Now, we did get a nomination for The Rocko. Dwayne
the Rock Johnson got his nomination, which we knew he
was hunting for, and I'm actually just so happy for him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All he wanted with that movie was some critical acclaim.
So again I don't think he's going to make it
to the Oscars, but I'm sure he'll be happy to
be in the room at the Golden Globes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We've also got.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Joel Edgerton Train Dreams, Oscar, Isaac for Frankenstein, Michael B.
Jordan for Sinners, which he is the one. It's not
just I think he's hot, although that Potner should be
rewarded too. I always say that he's incredible in that role.
He plays two league characters. Again, if it wasn't for
the vampire thing, he would be winning an Oscar. Jeremy
Allen White first Springsteen.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
To me, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Nomination doesn't deserve to be there. Springsteen wasn't great and
it didn't really get any traction.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, it's not really doing anything for me. But yeah,
I would say we're probably looking at Michael beaej Ordan
for that category.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, whether it takes him to the Oscars will be
something else to sort of see about. Okay, Best Actress
by a Female Actor Drama. This is where things get
very very intense. Because Tessa Thompson for Header We've got
in there, which I was really excited about because she's
great in that, even Victor for Sorry Baby. I think
she was sort of like a bit of a surprise
swing in there that people are excited about. Julia Roberts
(34:55):
for After the Hunt, She's okay in that. That movie
didn't really get a lot of traction.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I would say, because if you look at this category,
this is our big, serious category. Something I've really noticed
is how many smaller actss have been pushed into these
really strong categories. Yeah, because if you look at this,
we've got Jesse Buckley, Jennifer Lawrence, obviously very famous, Renata Rensveay,
Julie Roberts, famous, Tessa Thompson and Eva Victor. Only two
(35:22):
people in that category I would say, are really massive
A listers.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, so that's interesting because, yeah, Jennifer Lawrence Die My Love.
I think that when that movie came out, there was
a big kind of push that she would really be
in the Oscars race. Potentially she could win the Golden Globe.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think her and rose Byrn, just because they're both
in movies about like the trauma of motherhood and like
God forbid, we have two movies about that in the
Oscars race, the men won't like that. I think Rosebyrn
will kind of edge her out. I've got to say
Jesse Buckley and Hamnet for me is the standout winner,
Like she has to win the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So you just saw that this week. I saw this
has been very very hyped up, definitely one of our
Pixtus sort of watch over this Christmas period. What is
it about her performance that was so she's just ripping.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So raw and emotional and just like physical and just
everything about it. And I know people will talk about
Paul mescal and he was good in it too, but
like it's her movie and her performance carries it through.
And I think she's been someone who should have, as
I said before, she should have won an Oscar before this,
because she's had a lot of stand out roles. But
the thing is, you could wipe that all the way.
And Hamnet is just this incredible story of like love
(36:31):
and grief and and like you just see this whole
gambit of emotions that she goes through, and the whole
like emotional crux at the end of the movie is
literally on her face, just the camera on her face,
and her face does all the work to take you
through all these different emotions and tell you how the
story ends. And I was like, God, that's hard. God,
that's hard to tell an entire story. And like movies
usually have this huge emotional ending that's special effects or
(36:54):
like a plot twist and stuff. And to have the
movie sent her on the emotion of a woman's face
and have that be like the big hook out of
this world, I think, just give her, give her the
Oscar now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So Jacob Balordi has been nominated twice.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay, well he has to be laughing that, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And I mean I love that for him. I know
he's like a pretty big star, but I still can
always get really excited, you know, gets up there. And
obviously he did very very well in Frankenstein, and then
he was also nominated in a limited series, The Narrow
Road to the Deep Norse.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
He's really good, He's really good in that. I would
actually be happy for him. Actually, I would be more
happy that that series as a whole to win more awards.
But I think he's stronger in that than Frankenstein, even
though he was really good in that. So yeah, the
drama category kind of that's Frankenstein is nominated in that,
so that's a Netflix production. Hamnet is in there. It
was just an accident, the secret Agent, Sentimental value, and Sinners.
(37:43):
It'll be interesting how that category swings, but I do
think just from what I've seen, Hamnet, I guess is
going to be the one. But also I mean maybe
sinners just because it's a different voting category to the
Oscars and they're a bit more serious. And then musical comedy,
we've got Blue Moon, Bogonia, Marty Supreme, Marty Supreme Incredible.
(38:03):
I think that'll be a really strong Awards contender. And
then also on that category we've got no other choice
Nouvelle Vague, and of course one battle after another, which
again is probably going to sweep a lot of categories.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So there's two new categories. One of them is a
podcast category, but the first other one is Cinematic and
box Office Achievement. This category, I think is probably more
to Panda to Hollywood's need that look how well you've
done selling numbers. Abata Fire and Ash's nominated in this
category and it has not been released yet.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, but I think that's the pre box office numbers,
pre ticket sales and everything will really because yeah, it's
going to be a bit of Wicked could.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Take it out. But also Zotopia two's in the mix,
like I mean, K.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Pop Demon Hunter's got nominated in the True So yeah,
that's always interesting. One. That's just a way to get
all the big stars there who weren't nominated for the
Critical Awards. Yeah, and so this's a third year of it,
I think, so Barbie run it the first year. Wicked
won at last year, so it'll be kind of interesting.
We'll know beforehand because it's numbers based.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
But yeah, the Podcast Awards, this is the first year
they've had a Golden Globe for Best Podcast, which is.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Wild Okay, So let me just tell you the nominations
in this category and we can kind of unpack it
a bit, because I was why I found it strange
to do podcasts in it, because this is television and film.
I understand podcasts is a big medium and people should
be honored for it and the good work has been done.
So best podcast I'm Chair Expert with Dark shepperd Cala,
Daddy Good Hang with Amy Pohler, The Mel Robins podcast Smitelist,
(39:25):
and Up First from NPR. Those are all just basically
celebrity interview ones.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, and look, the podcast one has been really contentious.
A lot of people are upper armsday because podcasts like
The Joe Rogan Experience is not nominated, and there's a
few other like really big, more political based shows, especially
some that lean a bit more to like the right
side of politics. On that I would say, like, I mean, yes,
like there is like a genre of podcast is obviously
(39:50):
not in there. But this is not a voting platform
for numbers movies and TV shows like what we like
and what we don't like. It's subjective, like it's a
group of people who are deciding what they like to watch.
Podcasts are a little bit the same. It's a group
of people who are voting for the podcast they like.
And yes, in this case, they've gone for podcasts that
are very celebrity based. They're people who were really big
(40:11):
in the entertainment industry for acting and now have gone
more into podcasting, and I think it is a way
just to kind of meet the fans where they are.
At the same time, I also agree that it's unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's a really unnecessary seric category. It does feel like
a little bit like again, pandering to just celebrities who
want to get honored. I mean, I really like SmartLess
as a podcast. I think it's great. I think they
have a they're a great trio. Good hanging with Amy
Poler I think is good. But I just feel like one,
I don't think the category should be in there at all.
I think there's like, if we're going to start honoring podcasts,
(40:43):
let's let's move it to something different. I don't think
it belongs with the Golden Globes, and I would say
podcast works more at the Grammys.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, as a listening experience rather than a TV kind
of film thing. I do think Amy Pohl is probably
going to take it out, which is kind of interesting.
She's got such a long history with the Golden Globe.
She's so beloved all the smartlest guys. But yeah, it'll
be interesting. It does feel like it's kind of swinging
the focus. But also podcast are the biggest growing entertainment
section in the world, so I think if they're trying
to be relevant, they're trying to lean into that.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Okay, so this is the start of the campaign to
get the Spill nominated for next year.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yes, I just want to go and back the party.
I don't have to be nominated.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So the Golden Globes are going to air Sunday, Jan eleventh,
So we've got a huge build up. We'll be back
from our holidays and like ready and wearing to go
to be our first big award show of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Can't wait. Very excited.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Thanks so much for listening to this Spill today. Guys. Now,
I know you guys are tired. It's been a year.
I'm tired. We're tired. But the Christmas break is almost
here and Mama Mea wants to give you something to
look forward to in twenty twenty six. So we are
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