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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
From MoMA Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop
culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I'm kissemi Legitch and coming.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Up today, we are talking about a bit of a
wild sexual at least a one person sexual. We'll explain
it admission from one of our favorite actors, Matthew McConaughey.
We're going to get into that. Lots to say, lots
to unpack. Also, Wicked has broken some records at the
box office, but that is not what people are talking about.
They are talking about the relationship between Ariana Grande and
(00:47):
Cynthia Rivo. There's a lot to unpack there. There's some
things that people don't want to touch on, but we're
going to dive into that. But first up, some movie
news that has both thrilled and horrified me in equal measure,
and that is the fact that the writer director of
my favorite Christmas movie of all time. Yeah, that's true.
(01:07):
I'm gonna go on the record and say it my
favorite Christmas movie all the time, and not just that,
one of my favorite movies of all time. And I've
seen every movie in the whole world, so I feel
like that's quite a big deal, and that movie is
The Family Stone.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You don't have to be nervous. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They're gonna love you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, you have a lovely help.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I've better to entertain you, my dear.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Don't billy downy there, pretty lady. We're all gonna be
down here talking about your.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
She is completely uptime. I'm not sleeping with you in
your bed in your parents' house.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
They hate me, hate you. You have a freak flag.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You just don't fly it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The shock on my face when you said it was
your favorite Christmas movie all time that flowed me. It
is a great movie. I will give it well.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean like I love watching it at Christmas time,
but I love watching during the year. I just think
it's so beautiful, and I do love the Holiday. I'm
not a complete monster, but for me, The Family Stone
just something about it edges the Holiday out. I don't
love love. Actually, I think it's fine of people like it.
It's not my personal favorite. I don't watch every year
on a loop like I do other movies. What's your
favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I like The Holiday?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I like the Great solid Choice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I actually really like the Grinch.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, well The Grinch. I don't know if that's going
to be a sequel, but The Family Stone looks like
it is because Thomas Bizuko, who was the writer director
of the original movie, which came out in two thousand
and five. God bless that man, said that he is
working on a sequel script at the moment. He's actually
sitting down. He has put his fingers on the computer,
he's typing, he's good ideas, he's talked to the car.
(02:37):
So many of them are keen to do it. And
this is all fantastic news because if there's one movie
like I don't need a sequel to The Holiday because
it's not my business. What happened after that camera pulled away, well.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think too.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I think that that's just a moment in time. Whereas
The Family Stone, if anyone hasn't watched it, First of all,
the Family Stone has one of the best casts of
all time. It's Craig T. Nelson, It's Luke Wilson, Dermot mulrooney,
Rachel McAdams, Elizabeth Reesa, Sarah Jessica Parker in one of
her greatest role was Next to Carrie and Sex and
the City it's a ten out of ten movie. And
Sarah Jessica Parker plays this like kind of stuck up
(03:12):
woman who's dating her new boyfriend Everett, and she goes
home to his family for the holiday.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
If she is unhinged to this movie, it's so funny,
but it's so good, like if you look at it objectively,
like the movie's great, but if you look at it objectively, yeah,
and it's just her like going and sleeping with her
almost fiance's brother, sister coming in, and then her.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Sister Days who was ten out of ten of this
movie as well.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Her sister ends up with her. It's bizarre when you
look at it objectively, but it is great.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yes. So it's like they're like the Stone family and
they're this very kind of like bohemian arts, liberal family.
And then Everett is kind of like melded into being
more like Meredith's uptight girlfriend. And yeah, it follows the
event so like the day before Christmas, Christmas even Christmas Day,
as things in this family get progressively crazier. My toxic
trait is And I'm a bit of a Meredith apologist.
(04:01):
Not even Sarah Jessica Parker's a Meredith apologist and she
played her. But I'm just like, yeah, she didn't want
to even the same bed of her boyfriend at his
family's house, Like, yeah, that's a bit weird and I
wouldn't do it, but I understand why she didn't want
to do it. Plus Rachel McAdams, who plays Amy, the
younger sister, is so mean in the best way possible,
and I detective, Yeah, I would cry too if that
(04:22):
happened to me.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
But one of the most iconic scenes from it is
when they're all at dinner and they're talking about having
a gay son.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, see, I fast forward that scene so in my
version comfortable, in my version of Family Stone, that scene
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And Diane Keaton goes stop. She slams her hands down
on the table, and then Sarah Jessica Parker does her
classic and that she hasn't fight in the cup.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah. I don't like that scene because it makes me
sad for all of them because they're so upset, but
that it ends in a cute way anyway. So we
love that movie. I think it's safe to see. And
there's been talks for years about a sequel, and obviously
this year very sadly, Diane Keaton passed away. So Diane
Keaton is the heart and soul of this movie. She
is for so many movies. She plays the metriarch of
the Stone family, Sybil, and she is kind of like
(05:04):
the catalyst for a lot of the drama and also
like the beautiful, warm moments. And there was always talk
of how do we do even before Diane King passed away,
how do we do a Family Stone sequel because her
character and I hope this isn't spoiling it for anyone
who hasn't seen this movie that's been out for twenty years,
but still see it, because like, there's so much more
we haven't said. Her character does pass away at the
end of the movie, which is a huge kind of
(05:25):
emotional turning point for everyone at the end and kind
of like bookends where this story ends for this family.
And so all the years about doing a talk of
the Family Stone, the cast and writer always wanted to
do it, but they're just like, can we have the
magic there? The writer said that he has been mourning
the loss of Sybil, her character, for many, many years,
(05:45):
and that was the reason that they never really made
a sequel. So recently he did say to CNN and
the writer Thomas that he is now pushing forward with
the sequel script in a way he never has before
in order to honor Diane Keaton after her passing, which
is really beautiful, and he said, I've been so haunted
by the loss of Sybil for months that now while
(06:07):
I worked on it, it was a blow on a
tender bruise already, but I am moving forward, so it
kind of looks like it could potentially be happening. What
do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And look, a lot of the other supporting pasts have
also said they would be eager to do it, like
even Sarah Jesscobaca said she would come back on and
do a sequel. I do really love this, and I
actually have since Diane Keaton passed. I've been rewatching a
lot of her most famous movies, and there's something about
this movie that really strikes a chord and is one
(06:38):
of those like classic Christmas movies that you can watch
over and over again. I don't know where the story
would go. I would love to know what the plan is.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I think this is a little bit easier than some
other franchises to pick up after both the death of
a character and the death of an actor, because it
could just be twenty years after the events of the
first Christmas of them all coming back to that house again.
It would also be like nearly twenty years after Sybil's death.
They could really hook it off that and you know,
I'm sure people have broken up, people are back together
(07:08):
from that family where they all swopt partners. Their kids
would be grown ups by now, like I feel like
they could be wouldn't be good. It would never be
as good as the first movie, but I wouldn't mind
checking another family stone where they are. It's a bit harder,
I think sometimes. I think about, like with the continuation
of Gilmore Girls, and like one of the lead actors,
the actor who played Richard passing away and having to
be written to the story and how Dad and how Yeah,
(07:31):
the actor Edwin Hammond very sadly passed away in real
life and so his death had to be written to
the continuation, and it feels like it honors him, but
also feels like this kind of sad emptiness over that
show in a way that I wish we hadn't delved
into a world where which Richard was dead. I wish
we could have stayed in the original Girlmore Girls world
and then sometimes to honor the actor, like in the
Fast and Furious franchise after Paul Walker's death, their way
(07:54):
to honor him was to not kill him in the
franchise and to have his character go off and live
this wonderful, happy, fulfilled life with his wife and child
and still be part of that family, but just be
off screen. So sometimes that is also a way to
do it. They obviously can't do that here because the
character did die a but it's a very difficult situation
to navigate.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It also reminds me a lot of like when they
do have to recast certain actors when they pass like
most notably think of like Dumbledore in the Harry Potter
series when they had to replace the original Dumbledore, and
you know, even Philip Seymour Hoffman who passed away in
the second half of The Hunger Games. It can bring
up some challenges, and it seems like Thomas Bazouka is
(08:36):
very conscious of honoring her, and he said that very
very directly, so I feel like he'll give it what
it needs to be, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So we have no information on whether the movie is
officially going for we just know the script is in
the works. I actually think it really would honor Diane Keaton.
It's one of her most memorable roles. And as fans
of the movie, no, the very last shot of the
Family Stone is a very slow moving close up shot
of this beautiful black and white photo of Sybil, of
(09:05):
Diane Kington as that character. So I think the movie
ends on honoring her. So the next movie could very
much start on honoring her, So hopefully it happens.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Matthew McConaughey has made a confession on his lyrics for
Living newsletter Are you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Ready please tell me every detail Matthew McConaughey's wet dream
led him to True Love Get Perfect. I have no
notes on that title.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I really never thought i'd be saying that that sentence
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I always knew this was going to happen. Tell you
knew that?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You knew that I was going to say?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I knew it one day, Given how that man speaks
and the stuff he talks about, I just knew this
was coming. Nothing about this as a shock to me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, So this newsletter that he writes, it's like poetry,
it's musings, it's in a life advice, and this is
the sort of things that he talks about now. He
talks about how he had this dream and that is
what led him to the marriage that he has now
with Camilla Alvas. I'm going to read the majority of
what he wrote, just word for word, and then we
(10:04):
can kind of unpack it. I feel like such a
prude when I say, because I've been flawed by this.
I had met, spent time with, and seriously dated some
wonderful women in my life, many of whom I am
still friends with today, but ultimately they were all stops,
no stays. In my mid thirties, I was looking for
a lifetime lover, a best friend, and a mother to be.
(10:26):
I was looking for more. I was looking for the one.
I was looking for her. Then I had a wet dream.
This is not quoted anymore. In this dream, he describes
a scene where he's surrounded by twenty two women, sure
and eighty eight children.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
All right, well, yeah, actually that math does work out.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And he continues, each mother and I shared an idyllic memory.
The children roosted upon my lap. We hugged, we kissed,
we laughed and joked, we cried tears of happiness. They
all gathered around me on the porch for a family photograph,
and we looked down toward a large format box camera
on a tribottle at the top of the driveway three
(11:05):
two one.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Then I came that is the most detailed wet dream
I have that has that has a storyline, that has backstory.
He's describing the cinematography of the wet dream. Yeah, this
is what happens when a true filmmaker has a sexual
awakening in the night.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's filmed in like a cinema scope vibe. It's also
the countdown three two one. I don't know what it
is about this particular sentence, but it made me just
picture him going woo like.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I really hope it didn't sound like that, otherwise I'm
not gonna because I always I've had quite a crush
on with thin mconna Haete in many of his roles,
and that just really ruined. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I just had this and this is I think why
I gave you the ick so much, because I could
really picture him just going through too wide and they're
just like this. It flawed me. Yeah, so I guess
it's kind of romantic because then he goes on to
say he decided to stop searching for the one because
you know, he's like, this was a turning point for me,
this was a spiritual awakening. Three months later, he meets
(12:02):
Camilla Alvez and they've been together for twenty years. That's
very cute, and he then goes on to say that
over the course of that twenty years, she's the only
one that he ever wants to wake up too. So
that's really sweet and romantic.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, I love the story.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I love the story.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm very I have a few doubts about whether it
happened or not. I'm sure like he woke up from
a fuzzy dream and like Matthew McConaughey, loves to which
is fair. He's an actor, he's the main character in
his own life. He loves to like rewrite these stories
to make them bigger than they are, is the vibe
I yet from him. So I think that's what he's
done here. So he's just rewritten this. I'm sure just
a blurry, wet dream that all men have to be
(12:39):
this like big cinematic life awakening. But I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I might be like a bit behind on my sexual
health knowledge that I didn't know men in their thirties
still had wet dreams.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I don't know if I can speak to that, but
I will say I don't think that that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
There's not many better than I feel that we could ask.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I also just don't think that's the kind of thing
we should do. A polar of Vox pop pod. I
think we'll just leave the metal one. The man in
this office go through a Yeah, let's say that. But
do I just I do feel for invessages. Please don't
don't tell you don't please. What I know from my
very limited knowledge in this area is that it does
happen a lot in younger years. But I'm pretty sure
it can still happen at any age. I don't know. Again, again,
(13:19):
don't write in, but that's my vibe.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't think he's lying.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Again, I don't know. But look, the responses to this
has been something that I've really enjoyed, falling through one
comment that I loved. Those are inside words, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think when you're Matthew McConaughey, they're not inside words.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I just love people like too much information. I tend
to agree it really gives it I again, I feel
like I'm not apprude. I'm very open about sex. I'm
more than happy to talk about it. But there is
something about the image that made me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh see, I feel as far as wild celebrity sex
stories growth, this is pretty vanilla having a dream about
me and the love of his life that just happened
to be the next beautiful woman that crossed his path.
But they're very cute. They've been together for a while,
they have, and the thing that kind of makes me
okay with is like, I mean, obviously I don't know them,
but Matthew McConaughey and Camilla Alvarez seemed to have like this.
I feel like she kind of tolerates everything he says publicly,
(14:12):
and I feel like it's only a fraction of what
she's he's at home, so when you see him giving
these crazy interview stories and stuff, and often because she
always walks red carpets with him, she's off next to him,
just smiling serenely, like she's so beautiful and so like
cal has a very calm presence that I could never
aspire to. I just feel like she's like, oh classic Matthew,
And also this is a fraction of what he says
at home. And he comes from a very open family.
(14:33):
I remember the fact his dad died having sex with
his mom. Yeah, wow, this is and that is and
his mom was like, please do tell that story that
they were having sex and his dad, I want to say,
had a heart attack something like that, but passed away
during a sexual act. And the family was like, tell
that story. So I think he comes from a family
of people who would just like to share what's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, we know. Recently he was talking about how he
and Camilla they got a queen sized bed.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, talk about vanilla stories.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's no. Sorry, that's even more wild than the wet
dream for me, Like, how are you doing that? So look,
he's a strange dude. I love it. It's very entertaining.
I've been thoroughly enjoying it. It reminded me that I
feel like celebrities have this idea that everybody wants to
know everything about that, but we do, which I guess
we do want about it. Yeah, maybe I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm not judging people for that.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Maybe I shouldn't be doubling down on this.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was looking at all the comments, obviously this story
is picked up and has gone everywhere because that has
all the trappings of good celebrity story. It has like
Oscar winning actor, It has a wet dream, it has
like the love of his life. It just all the
makings of a great headline. And yes, the comments under
it are all like, we don't want to hear this,
Yes we do. I want to hear. In fact, I
want to hear more. I feel like this is just
(15:47):
the tip of the iceberg of what that man could
be telling you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, look, my initial reaction was, which is also the
same noise I made, where.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Again we it's not a word. I didn't do it.
I also just think that this is just a little
reminder that Matthew McConaughey is just the odd ball of Hollywood.
He's just a little odd ball. And because he's been
in so many rom coms and action movies and now
he's transitioned to being a serious actor, he passes for
like a normal bland movie star, cookie cut of celebrity.
(16:17):
But in his heart of hearts, he's just a little
odd ball. Remember when he came to Australia and was
like held hostage by his like host family, and he
had a whole situation. Yeah, look up that story. It
is crazy. Yeah, he came to Australia and like on
exchange and got wrapped up in this like craziness with
his host family. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, like he was like like a recent press story
was last week.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No no, no no, when he was like a young teenager.
There's all these stories. I remember Dax's shepherd saying that
he and Ashton Kutcher were on like a tiny island
with him somewhere with Matthew mconnaughey and now having this
like or like an island that was hard to you know,
you had to get like a seaplane and a boat
and all this sort of stuff. And they all wanted
to watch this big football game the next morning, and
they were partying tonight and they're like Matthew was like
drinking and he was dancing on the beach and he
(17:00):
was playing the drums. And the next morning they get
up to watch this game and they were like where's
McConaughey and Ashton Kutcher turned on the TV and Matthew
McConaughey is sitting next to the coach at the game.
This is like in a different country with a headset
and being like let's go, let's go, and they're just like,
how did he get there? And apparently he like charted
a helicopter in the middle of the night and flew
(17:21):
himself to the game. It's just like they were just
like they were like, that's normal, Like you just never
know Matthew McConaughey. Like one moment you're on an island
with him, you're having a drink. The next moment he's
like coaching a college football game on the other side
of the world, and that's just him. Everyone's like, that's
just him.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But this is I feel like a lot of celebrities
are like this. They are just they really are very
quirky and they are in their own worlds and they
don't realize what they're saying is bizarre. Like I don't
think he wrote that thinking this is gonna get some cliques,
Like I think he just genuinely thought that this was
like a spiritual awakening and then he wanted to share
it with people. Yeah, that's why I think it's funny,
because I'm like, you've convinced just you're in this bubble
(17:56):
of hongwoand and Los Angeles where everything like this feels
normal to you anyway, It's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I just think it's the only time I think. I
mean again, I don't know her, but I'm thinking Camilla,
his wife, is probably just okay with him sharing this.
The only twenty years the only story where he's shared
about her where I was like, hm, what was she
okay with that? Is when he was talking about her
giving birth too. I think it was their first son,
because they've got three kids. Okay. I did not look
this up. I just sometimes I, against my will, retain
(18:23):
celebrity baby names. So Matthew McConaughey's kids called Levi yep,
Vida yep, Livingstone yep. Is it really yeap? Oh my god,
imagine the information that could be in my brain if
I didn't know that. That is such useless information for
me to have. Anyway, he was saying to the story, like,
I think is when she was giving birth to Levi.
He's like, yeah, she was giving birth, and he's like,
and I was helping, and so I was just like
(18:44):
on the drums and I was taking my shirt off,
and I was like, let's get primal with it. And
I was like, I bet she was like, get out
of here, I'm giving birth and you're on the bongo saying,
let's get primal with it. It's like, so see yourself out.
She has never said that. I'm potentially just reading into
her thoughts. But I think when you're married to Matthew McConaughey,
you just expect that, not.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That he ever would, but I could never be married
to that man. Not that this is like an issue
like that meant the things that he comes out with
from his mouth is like my worst night man.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh my god. You know who I would marry is
Matthew McConaughey circa how to Loser Guy intended.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, yes, that is his absolute hottest.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I would put up with all the crazy bullshit for that,
and I think he has gotten crazier as time has
gone on. There's a seen it. It's seen from a
Wolf of Wall Street where he just starts, yeah, so
that was in the scripture. Does he just does that?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I love that, And you can see Leona DiCaprio's face
through his character just be like, what the hell, what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Make iconic parts of the entire movie.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And that's just him behind the I love it. So
I guess my message to end to Matthew McConaughey would
be like, tell more weird stories, tell more sex stories.
Tell with the consent of your wife of course, just
tell me all the weird stories. I want to hear
all of them. Well, from whilst celebrity sex stories to
my other favorite thing to talk about, and that's Wicked
in all shapes and forms incarnations. Because it has been
(20:05):
out now across the world, the new movie Weicked for Good.
It has been Adam Cinemas for over a week now,
and we have some wonderful news, which is a few
box office records that have been broken. So they actually
doubled the number of domestic ticket sales, which is a
huge thing. That had a huge audience last time, but
this time they had people like literally lining the streets
to see this movie. It actually had the second biggest
(20:26):
US opening of the year after a Minecraft movie which
actually was quite good. I thought people loved it, and
Lelo and Stitch, which obviously had this huge movie fan
base there. So the global numbers make it the biggest
international opening for a stage musical adaptation ever, beating out
last year's Wicked movie, which had originally set that bar,
(20:48):
so huge, huge numbers there, and what a lot of
people are talking about along with their thoughts on the
movie and the box office opening, is the relationship between
Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo, which we've now seen for
a second time on their second press tour.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So even though this particular press store has been a
lot more subdued than last years, there has still been
the exact same conversation happening as happened last year, because
we've got that really iconic press to a moment. Last
year we was holding space and the finger. We all
remember that. It's become enmeshed in our pop culture knowledge now.
But this year things have been a little bit quieter,
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but still that same narrative of like Cynthia and Ariana's
relationship has been really really consistent, and that is that
their relationship is quote weird and way too close, and
now people are talking about how they're trauma bonded.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting way to put it because I
think obviously there was a huge focus on their off
screen relationship last year, but I think the conversation around
them as co stars and friends has actually changed quite
dramatically over a year. So we only got really our
first taste of it last year, especially when the press
too were started right here in Australia. We had the
world premiere, we had the first lot of interviews there.
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Interview I did interview them and tell you what I
saw this is I find myself defending them quite a
bit in terms of like how emotional they get.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I do too, And I think that comes from that
sort of theater nerd background, because there is this sense
of camaraderie and closeness that you get on a production
and they are literally on the biggest production of all time,
and they're both theater kids and they just love it,
and that really brings people really close together.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, so these are obviously characters that they had loved
it for over twenty years plus. Also, when you're an
actress and performer, you're already at an emotional level of
a fifteen most of the time, or you should be
to give a proper performance. And I also think like
a lot of the world saw them crying all the
time in their interviews, but what they didn't see at
the time, especially that first premiere in Australia, was the
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literally hundreds of fans who had lined the streets for
over twenty four hours just to get a glimpse of
them across the road at the State Theater, and I
literally saw these people sobbing, and I thought, like, you
must be sobbing for exhaustion. But any one of them
that I asked, because I love to go talk to
people online and ask like, why did you line up
for twenty four hours? Like I'm so fascinated by that,
And I think it's such a beautiful thing to have
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that level of fandom. I can't imagine loving anything that
much like I love Wicked, but I would never line
up for thirty hours just to get a glimpse of
the premiere across the road. And they just were so
happy to be there. And then even at the junket,
people were crying, like other journalists I saw were crying
going into the junkit and in the room afterwards we
were all waiting for our interview cards to be given
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to us without interviews on them. People were crying in
the room and I'm like, well, of course Ariana and
Cynthia are crying because all they're doing all day is
staying across from people who were crying and telling them
how much this means to them, so we had that.
I think by the end of that first press tour,
people were starting to get a little bit like, Oh,
it's too much. It's too much. And then for Wicked
for Good, as you're saying, we had that very reduced
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press tour where they walked some red carpets, they did
a few red carpet interviews, They did like a few
little kind of bespoke interviews, but they didn't do that
big press junkut run that they had done originally. And
I think some of the reason around that is that
one they had kind of done so much leg work
the first time, and they were corrected. There was a
huge carryover to the second movie. But I do think
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they were trying to sort of make the focus more
about the movie and the characters and the new songs,
rather than putting a spotlight on the actors who were
having a bit of a difficult time. But what has
happened is that the focus hasn't been on the movie.
The focus has been on these women and all these
theories and stories, some of them quite dark and quite disturbing,
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that have popped up.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I want to be very conscious about how dark we
get because some of the accusations about them I think
are more harmful then will do any good to talk about.
A lot of people are talking about how they touch
each other a lot, and in a recent interview with
Amy Poehler, Amy asked Arianna about this, and she says,
I channel a lot of energy through my hands, and
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so I'm always holding a hand, I'm always like squeezing
or something. As you've learned, I'm always reaching for something.
So so that was her reasoning for the touching. I
can relate to that. I feel like I've become quite
a physical person, so I can kind of understand that
the thing that I think is the most harmful is
a lot of the conversation around their bodies.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so there's been a bit of an escalation of
different moments. So at first, people I think were kind
of amused, but also like in a loving way, being like, oh,
they're always clinging to each other. They always seem very
overcome by all these lines of questioning. They're crying, they're hugging,
they're talking about how they've changed each other's lives, and
you know, people question that, but also people kind of
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found it quite endearing this time around, also because I
think it's somehow felt like a very subdue press to it.
It didn't have the not that people didn't love the movie,
and not that I didn't get from them that they
weren't excited. And also I guess they're saying goodbye to
these characters. Last time they were just like, Hey, we'll
see you guys in a year. This time, I feel
like there's a real sense of completion for them that
this moment is over. So the press to her has
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felt very subdued, and we're not getting all of those
other moments to cling to. And there's been some conspiracy
theories because for the last premiere, after the whole thing
had happened with the fan running at Ariana and Cynthia
jumping in front of her and all of that stuff.
After that happened, it came out that Cynthia Arrivo wasn't
going to do interviews at the next big premiere, which
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was one of the final premieres, because she said she
had lost her voice. And then Mariana came out and
said that she also wasn't going to do interviews, just
sort of in solidarity with Cynthia, and so then the
conspiracy started that they were so traumatized by the press
and that incident, they didn't want to talk to people,
and that was kind of an excuse. And then Ariana
Grande came out and said that she had COVID nineteen
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and would have to pull out of some press dudies
for Wicked, and then all these conspiracy theories started, and
this has gone rampant in all like forums and like
some new sites TikTok, especially like for me it's every
second video is this conspiracy theory that Ariana Grande lied
about having COVID nineteen to stay away from the press
line And one of those things is about what you're
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saying about this conversation around her body. And I've seen
so many people just say straight to Canberra, this completely
unfounded accusation. Ariana Grande lied about having COVID nineteen to
hide her eating disorder, which is a crazy take to
say for someone that we have no idea what's going
on in her life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I have a lot of issues with this for a
number of reasons. It's not just about Ariana. It's now
extended to Cynthia Arrivo and to Michelle Yo to a
slightly lesser extent, but the amount of videos I've seen
of people doing before and afters upsets me because I
do feel like it is indicative of a bigger issue
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with you know, the way that we talk about women's
bodies in Hollywood. But I also I don't think we
should be diagnosing people's medical issues. And yeah, it just
it feels very very it's upsetting to me this narrative.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, and I look, I understand that, like when you
see those videos that are put out into the world,
they can be confronting. People want to talk about them
because what we're seeing is and some of these taken
over a decade ago, some of these photos and videos
of in particular Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande showing these
changes in their body and showing how they looked one
way in the past while working on other projects and
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now showing that they appear to have much smaller frames,
in particular in this press run that they're doing at
the moment where you know, they're getting photographed from every
angle and film from every angle, and so their bodies
are on display and in such a huge way that
they really can't control what images are going out there
because it's just on every platform and the narrative that
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has come from that is people are linking all of
these different things and saying they're saying that they've gone
through a lot together. They're talking of these past events.
They appear to be like very trauma bonded, and their
bodies look drastically different and smaller, and these questions are like,
what happened on the Wicked set? What's happened to them?
And it's painted this narrative, which is very flimsy and
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I think kind of takes away from actual real issues
that could be discussed here. This's very flimsy narrative that
they went through some terrible trauma during the years that
they filmed Wicked, because they filmed the two movies back
to back, so it was this huge shoot that they
went through this unspeakable trauma, and their bodies have shrunk
as a result of that.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, Like as a long phone draw, they're also sort
of comparing it to the things that happened on the
set of The Wizard of Oz, like in nineteen thirty nine,
which is very famously one of the most traumatic sets
that has ever existed. You know, we've got all those
stories of the tin Men having lead poisoning. We've got
Judy Garland being starved and given uppers and down as
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it's very very well reported on the set of that movie.
So people are making a connection between these you were
calling it like the Wicked Curse or Wizard of Oz curse.
I would like to just be very careful about feeding
into that narrative.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, And this is what I hate about conversations like this,
is like, I think there's a way to have a
conversation about the stigma around weight at different sizes. I
think there's a a conversation to be had about body inclusivity,
especially in Hollywood, because we've seen a real slide back
on that. I never think that you have to use
specific women or bodies or photos. And I know that
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sounds hard, but I've done it many times. I've written
a lot about the way we look at bodies, especially
on famous women, and the way that there's not a
lot of diversity in the movies and TV shows we're watching.
And every time I've done that, I have never named
any specific women, using any specific photos. So for everyone
who's kind of centering in, I just think there's a
way to have this conversation without putting a woman or
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like two co stars in the firing line of any
kind of conversation. It's also not their job to sort
of advocate for any level of body diversity. That's not
even a conversation for the Wicked press tour, is what
I'm thinking. I think there's definitely a conversation to be
hard about Hollywood body diversity, but this is not the
place for it. But I also think if people want
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to assign trauma to these women that they themselves have
brought up a few times and said, like, they haven't
said the words word trauma bonded, but they have said,
we've been through so much together. They're talking about things
they've been through like they are actually on the record,
and they have for many years talked about things they're
going through. And I'm like, why don't we look at
what they're actually saying instead of what their bodies look
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like In this particular case, because Ariana Grande has talked
about going through really immense post traumatic stress disorder, grief
and depression at a time when she was making a
lot of back to back albums and touring, and she
even has said in a profile to Vogue, I mean
she said this many times, but just in this particular profile,
she said, I'm a person who's been through a lot,
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and I don't know what to say about it, even
to myself, let alone the world. But I'm sort of
trying to say And she hasn't touched on every piece
of trauma she's gone through, but not should she have to, No,
just yet, absolutely not. But she's also you know, she
was very close friends with Mac Miller before they began
a romantic relationship and then his death. She has talked
about hitting her really hard. Also, you know, the Manchester bombings,
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which she still talks about this to this day, being
this huge trauma that affected her and so many people.
And again I think that is when she talks about
trauma and like what happened to her that fan event
the other day, Like they are intrinsically linked in this
term of like she doesn't feel safe in a crowd
and she feels very protective of the crowds around her
after what she went through, and so I think she's
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talking about that. And Cynthia Arrivo has also said that
when she met Mariana, they had this instant connection because
they had this artistic connection, but they also she has
said that she recognized her as a person who has
been through so much trauma and essentially needed to be protected.
And then Cynthia Orrivo, I mean, she has a way
talked about a lot of things that she's been through
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in her life. But I think we're about to learn
so much more about Cynthia Arrivo's story. And I think
it's very telling that this is happening after this huge
press to her for these incredible movies and like hopefulucial
Win and Oscar. But she does have a memoir coming
out called Simply More, and a few of the chapters
and stories from that book have started being released as
she does press for it. I mean, she's had this
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crazy successful life that she's also had a really difficult life,
especially with some of the things to do with her family.
She talks about being estranged from her father and them
having this kind of moment where he just left her
on a train platform and their life has really never
been the same, and she talks about him not being
the person who should be her dad and how difficult
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that has been. She talks about having to she's close
to her mother and sister now but having to rebuild
relationships with them, and she talks about her family in
particular and not not accepting her queerness and having to
hide that, and the trauma she's been through and why
she's so big on giving back now and she still
goes back and is like a board member, and like
the school that she trained at, she goes back and
visits her old school and all these kind of things.
(33:56):
Is like, I really think that she's only kind of
touched on the things she's been through in her life.
And so I just think that she and Ariana, like, again,
I don't know what happened to these women. I have
no way, but I would summise from the story they're
telling us that I don't think trauma happened to them
on the Wicked set. I think they were on that set,
and we know that they were attached to the hip
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on that set for pretty much the majority of the
time they were filming. Yeah, and then all of the
trauma that they went through was shared between each other.
And so when they're walking down those red carpets and
they're hearing that crazy were of the crowd, they're holding
onto each other because of every safety Yeah, because of
the stories they told each other on the set, not
because something terrible happened to them on the set. As
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far as I do, I mean I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean, I can imagine how challenging it would
be to be in those situations where it is very overwhelming.
You and I were at that premiere in City at
the State Theater for the original Wicked. It was insane.
Can you imagine being yelled at like that day after
day after day? I can't. Those movie premieers give me
over stimulated.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Absolutely, those movie premiers give me so much. Just I
didn't go to one this week because I'm like, I
might really stressed this week and busy, and so there
was a huge premiere here in Sydney, and I just
knew it would be people knocking into each other and
people screaming. And I've been at that location before and
have nearly had the barricades tip on top of me
because people were trying to trample my body to get
to the movie star next to me. I'm not saying, oh,
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poor me, I have to go to premieres, but I'm
just saying, like, even as someone who's not involved in it,
who's just there, like, those events are a lot and
I think if they're happening to a person who's already
quite in a stressful situation, you're the center of it,
that would be a lot. But yeah, I just think
it's interesting how the narrative around the lead actresses of
Wicked has kind of changed. And I've got to say,
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I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I don't love it either. It's become just.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Like, don't we all remember we love Wicked. If we
love Wicked, we love them like that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I do feel like it's a bit of a result
of people just like trying to find conspiracy theorys in everything,
like there always has to be some kind.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And we can never keep a happy story.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We've got to put that, you know, that spooky music
that people have on TikTok, Like, let's put that over
every single interaction that anyone has with anyone, and we
can create a conspiracy theory. So I agree with you.
Let's enjoy Wicked for what it is. These two incredible
actors who have portrayed these iconic characters, and they've had
to say goodbye to them, which is very sad for us.
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Although I have heard rumors that this potentially could be
a third I mean, I would love that, but.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I would love I know, I know all I would say,
like I just they're definitely getting nominated for Oscars, and
so all I'm saying to all of you people out
there making the weird tiktoks is that this best not
carry over to their Oscar moment, because I just want
that to be them hugging on the red carpet, them
singing on stage. They both got their original songs which
will me nominate it, and I just want it to
be like this, like beautiful, crazy love fest that theater
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kids like live for and just like leave the NASSA.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Thank this for a really long time. Thank you so
much for listening to the Spill today. If you love
Wicked like Laura and I do, make sure you go
and check out our watch party on Wicked for Good.
We'll pop that link in the show notes. And if
you've been affected by anything that we've spoken about today,
we do have a number of resources in our show notes,
including the Butterfly Foundation. The Spill is produced by Minicia
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iswa Own with sound production by Scott Stronach.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of
the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander cultures.
You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
From MoMA Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop
culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I'm kissemi Legitch and coming.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Up today, we are talking about a bit of a
wild sexual at least a one person sexual. We'll explain
it admission from one of our favorite actors, Matthew McConaughey.
We're going to get into that. Lots to say, lots
to unpack. Also, Wicked has broken some records at the
box office, but that is not what people are talking about.
They are talking about the relationship between Ariana Grande and
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Cynthia Rivo. There's a lot to unpack there. There's some
things that people don't want to touch on, but we're
going to dive into that. But first up, some movie
news that has both thrilled and horrified me in equal measure,
and that is the fact that the writer director of
my favorite Christmas movie of all time. Yeah, that's true.
(01:07):
I'm gonna go on the record and say it my
favorite Christmas movie all the time, and not just that,
one of my favorite movies of all time. And I've
seen every movie in the whole world, so I feel
like that's quite a big deal, and that movie is
The Family Stone.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You don't have to be nervous. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They're gonna love you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, you have a lovely help.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I've better to entertain you, my dear.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Don't billy downy there, pretty lady. We're all gonna be
down here talking about your.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
She is completely uptime. I'm not sleeping with you in
your bed in your parents' house.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
They hate me, hate you. You have a freak flag.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You just don't fly it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The shock on my face when you said it was
your favorite Christmas movie all time that flowed me. It
is a great movie. I will give it well.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean like I love watching it at Christmas time,
but I love watching during the year. I just think
it's so beautiful, and I do love the Holiday. I'm
not a complete monster, but for me, The Family Stone
just something about it edges the Holiday out. I don't
love love. Actually, I think it's fine of people like it.
It's not my personal favorite. I don't watch every year
on a loop like I do other movies. What's your
favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I like The Holiday?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I like the Great solid Choice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I actually really like the Grinch.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, well The Grinch. I don't know if that's going
to be a sequel, but The Family Stone looks like
it is because Thomas Bizuko, who was the writer director
of the original movie, which came out in two thousand
and five. God bless that man, said that he is
working on a sequel script at the moment. He's actually
sitting down. He has put his fingers on the computer,
he's typing, he's good ideas, he's talked to the car.
(02:37):
So many of them are keen to do it. And
this is all fantastic news because if there's one movie
like I don't need a sequel to The Holiday because
it's not my business. What happened after that camera pulled away, well.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think too.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I think that that's just a moment in time. Whereas
The Family Stone, if anyone hasn't watched it, First of all,
the Family Stone has one of the best casts of
all time. It's Craig T. Nelson, It's Luke Wilson, Dermot mulrooney,
Rachel McAdams, Elizabeth Reesa, Sarah Jessica Parker in one of
her greatest role was Next to Carrie and Sex and
the City it's a ten out of ten movie. And
Sarah Jessica Parker plays this like kind of stuck up
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woman who's dating her new boyfriend Everett, and she goes
home to his family for the holiday.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
If she is unhinged to this movie, it's so funny,
but it's so good, like if you look at it objectively,
like the movie's great, but if you look at it objectively, yeah,
and it's just her like going and sleeping with her
almost fiance's brother, sister coming in, and then her.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Sister Days who was ten out of ten of this
movie as well.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Her sister ends up with her. It's bizarre when you
look at it objectively, but it is great.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yes. So it's like they're like the Stone family and
they're this very kind of like bohemian arts, liberal family.
And then Everett is kind of like melded into being
more like Meredith's uptight girlfriend. And yeah, it follows the
event so like the day before Christmas, Christmas even Christmas Day,
as things in this family get progressively crazier. My toxic
trait is And I'm a bit of a Meredith apologist.
(04:01):
Not even Sarah Jessica Parker's a Meredith apologist and she
played her. But I'm just like, yeah, she didn't want
to even the same bed of her boyfriend at his
family's house, Like, yeah, that's a bit weird and I
wouldn't do it, but I understand why she didn't want
to do it. Plus Rachel McAdams, who plays Amy, the
younger sister, is so mean in the best way possible,
and I detective, Yeah, I would cry too if that
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happened to me.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
But one of the most iconic scenes from it is
when they're all at dinner and they're talking about having
a gay son.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, see, I fast forward that scene so in my
version comfortable, in my version of Family Stone, that scene
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And Diane Keaton goes stop. She slams her hands down
on the table, and then Sarah Jessica Parker does her
classic and that she hasn't fight in the cup.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah. I don't like that scene because it makes me
sad for all of them because they're so upset, but
that it ends in a cute way anyway. So we
love that movie. I think it's safe to see. And
there's been talks for years about a sequel, and obviously
this year very sadly, Diane Keaton passed away. So Diane
Keaton is the heart and soul of this movie. She
is for so many movies. She plays the metriarch of
the Stone family, Sybil, and she is kind of like
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the catalyst for a lot of the drama and also
like the beautiful, warm moments. And there was always talk
of how do we do even before Diane King passed away,
how do we do a Family Stone sequel because her
character and I hope this isn't spoiling it for anyone
who hasn't seen this movie that's been out for twenty years,
but still see it, because like, there's so much more
we haven't said. Her character does pass away at the
end of the movie, which is a huge kind of
(05:25):
emotional turning point for everyone at the end and kind
of like bookends where this story ends for this family.
And so all the years about doing a talk of
the Family Stone, the cast and writer always wanted to
do it, but they're just like, can we have the
magic there? The writer said that he has been mourning
the loss of Sybil, her character, for many, many years,
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and that was the reason that they never really made
a sequel. So recently he did say to CNN and
the writer Thomas that he is now pushing forward with
the sequel script in a way he never has before
in order to honor Diane Keaton after her passing, which
is really beautiful, and he said, I've been so haunted
by the loss of Sybil for months that now while
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I worked on it, it was a blow on a
tender bruise already, but I am moving forward, so it
kind of looks like it could potentially be happening. What
do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And look, a lot of the other supporting pasts have
also said they would be eager to do it, like
even Sarah Jesscobaca said she would come back on and
do a sequel. I do really love this, and I
actually have since Diane Keaton passed. I've been rewatching a
lot of her most famous movies, and there's something about
this movie that really strikes a chord and is one
(06:38):
of those like classic Christmas movies that you can watch
over and over again. I don't know where the story
would go. I would love to know what the plan is.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I think this is a little bit easier than some
other franchises to pick up after both the death of
a character and the death of an actor, because it
could just be twenty years after the events of the
first Christmas of them all coming back to that house again.
It would also be like nearly twenty years after Sybil's death.
They could really hook it off that and you know,
I'm sure people have broken up, people are back together
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from that family where they all swopt partners. Their kids
would be grown ups by now, like I feel like
they could be wouldn't be good. It would never be
as good as the first movie, but I wouldn't mind
checking another family stone where they are. It's a bit harder,
I think sometimes. I think about, like with the continuation
of Gilmore Girls, and like one of the lead actors,
the actor who played Richard passing away and having to
be written to the story and how Dad and how Yeah,
(07:31):
the actor Edwin Hammond very sadly passed away in real
life and so his death had to be written to
the continuation, and it feels like it honors him, but
also feels like this kind of sad emptiness over that
show in a way that I wish we hadn't delved
into a world where which Richard was dead. I wish
we could have stayed in the original Girlmore Girls world
and then sometimes to honor the actor, like in the
Fast and Furious franchise after Paul Walker's death, their way
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to honor him was to not kill him in the
franchise and to have his character go off and live
this wonderful, happy, fulfilled life with his wife and child
and still be part of that family, but just be
off screen. So sometimes that is also a way to
do it. They obviously can't do that here because the
character did die a but it's a very difficult situation
to navigate.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It also reminds me a lot of like when they
do have to recast certain actors when they pass like
most notably think of like Dumbledore in the Harry Potter
series when they had to replace the original Dumbledore, and
you know, even Philip Seymour Hoffman who passed away in
the second half of The Hunger Games. It can bring
up some challenges, and it seems like Thomas Bazouka is
(08:36):
very conscious of honoring her, and he said that very
very directly, so I feel like he'll give it what
it needs to be, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So we have no information on whether the movie is
officially going for we just know the script is in
the works. I actually think it really would honor Diane Keaton.
It's one of her most memorable roles. And as fans
of the movie, no, the very last shot of the
Family Stone is a very slow moving close up shot
of this beautiful black and white photo of Sybil, of
(09:05):
Diane Kington as that character. So I think the movie
ends on honoring her. So the next movie could very
much start on honoring her, So hopefully it happens.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Matthew McConaughey has made a confession on his lyrics for
Living newsletter Are you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Ready please tell me every detail Matthew McConaughey's wet dream
led him to True Love Get Perfect. I have no
notes on that title.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I really never thought i'd be saying that that sentence
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I always knew this was going to happen. Tell you
knew that?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You knew that I was going to say?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I knew it one day, Given how that man speaks
and the stuff he talks about, I just knew this
was coming. Nothing about this as a shock to me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, So this newsletter that he writes, it's like poetry,
it's musings, it's in a life advice, and this is
the sort of things that he talks about now. He
talks about how he had this dream and that is
what led him to the marriage that he has now
with Camilla Alvas. I'm going to read the majority of
what he wrote, just word for word, and then we
(10:04):
can kind of unpack it. I feel like such a
prude when I say, because I've been flawed by this.
I had met, spent time with, and seriously dated some
wonderful women in my life, many of whom I am
still friends with today, but ultimately they were all stops,
no stays. In my mid thirties, I was looking for
a lifetime lover, a best friend, and a mother to be.
(10:26):
I was looking for more. I was looking for the one.
I was looking for her. Then I had a wet dream.
This is not quoted anymore. In this dream, he describes
a scene where he's surrounded by twenty two women, sure
and eighty eight children.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
All right, well, yeah, actually that math does work out.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And he continues, each mother and I shared an idyllic memory.
The children roosted upon my lap. We hugged, we kissed,
we laughed and joked, we cried tears of happiness. They
all gathered around me on the porch for a family photograph,
and we looked down toward a large format box camera
on a tribottle at the top of the driveway three
(11:05):
two one.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Then I came that is the most detailed wet dream
I have that has that has a storyline, that has backstory.
He's describing the cinematography of the wet dream. Yeah, this
is what happens when a true filmmaker has a sexual
awakening in the night.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's filmed in like a cinema scope vibe. It's also
the countdown three two one. I don't know what it
is about this particular sentence, but it made me just
picture him going woo like.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I really hope it didn't sound like that, otherwise I'm
not gonna because I always I've had quite a crush
on with thin mconna Haete in many of his roles,
and that just really ruined. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I just had this and this is I think why
I gave you the ick so much, because I could
really picture him just going through too wide and they're
just like this. It flawed me. Yeah, so I guess
it's kind of romantic because then he goes on to
say he decided to stop searching for the one because
you know, he's like, this was a turning point for me,
this was a spiritual awakening. Three months later, he meets
(12:02):
Camilla Alvez and they've been together for twenty years. That's
very cute, and he then goes on to say that
over the course of that twenty years, she's the only
one that he ever wants to wake up too. So
that's really sweet and romantic.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, I love the story.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I love the story.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm very I have a few doubts about whether it
happened or not. I'm sure like he woke up from
a fuzzy dream and like Matthew McConaughey, loves to which
is fair. He's an actor, he's the main character in
his own life. He loves to like rewrite these stories
to make them bigger than they are, is the vibe
I yet from him. So I think that's what he's
done here. So he's just rewritten this. I'm sure just
a blurry, wet dream that all men have to be
(12:39):
this like big cinematic life awakening. But I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I might be like a bit behind on my sexual
health knowledge that I didn't know men in their thirties
still had wet dreams.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I don't know if I can speak to that, but
I will say I don't think that that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
There's not many better than I feel that we could ask.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I also just don't think that's the kind of thing
we should do. A polar of Vox pop pod. I
think we'll just leave the metal one. The man in
this office go through a Yeah, let's say that. But
do I just I do feel for invessages. Please don't
don't tell you don't please. What I know from my
very limited knowledge in this area is that it does
happen a lot in younger years. But I'm pretty sure
it can still happen at any age. I don't know. Again, again,
(13:19):
don't write in, but that's my vibe.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't think he's lying.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Again, I don't know. But look, the responses to this
has been something that I've really enjoyed, falling through one
comment that I loved. Those are inside words, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think when you're Matthew McConaughey, they're not inside words.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I just love people like too much information. I tend
to agree it really gives it I again, I feel
like I'm not apprude. I'm very open about sex. I'm
more than happy to talk about it. But there is
something about the image that made me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh see, I feel as far as wild celebrity sex
stories growth, this is pretty vanilla having a dream about
me and the love of his life that just happened
to be the next beautiful woman that crossed his path.
But they're very cute. They've been together for a while,
they have, and the thing that kind of makes me
okay with is like, I mean, obviously I don't know them,
but Matthew McConaughey and Camilla Alvarez seemed to have like this.
I feel like she kind of tolerates everything he says publicly,
(14:12):
and I feel like it's only a fraction of what
she's he's at home, so when you see him giving
these crazy interview stories and stuff, and often because she
always walks red carpets with him, she's off next to him,
just smiling serenely, like she's so beautiful and so like
cal has a very calm presence that I could never
aspire to. I just feel like she's like, oh classic Matthew,
And also this is a fraction of what he says
at home. And he comes from a very open family.
(14:33):
I remember the fact his dad died having sex with
his mom. Yeah, wow, this is and that is and
his mom was like, please do tell that story that
they were having sex and his dad, I want to say,
had a heart attack something like that, but passed away
during a sexual act. And the family was like, tell
that story. So I think he comes from a family
of people who would just like to share what's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, we know. Recently he was talking about how he
and Camilla they got a queen sized bed.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, talk about vanilla stories.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's no. Sorry, that's even more wild than the wet
dream for me, Like, how are you doing that? So look,
he's a strange dude. I love it. It's very entertaining.
I've been thoroughly enjoying it. It reminded me that I
feel like celebrities have this idea that everybody wants to
know everything about that, but we do, which I guess
we do want about it. Yeah, maybe I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm not judging people for that.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Maybe I shouldn't be doubling down on this.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was looking at all the comments, obviously this story
is picked up and has gone everywhere because that has
all the trappings of good celebrity story. It has like
Oscar winning actor, It has a wet dream, it has
like the love of his life. It just all the
makings of a great headline. And yes, the comments under
it are all like, we don't want to hear this,
Yes we do. I want to hear. In fact, I
want to hear more. I feel like this is just
(15:47):
the tip of the iceberg of what that man could
be telling you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, look, my initial reaction was, which is also the
same noise I made, where.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Again we it's not a word. I didn't do it.
I also just think that this is just a little
reminder that Matthew McConaughey is just the odd ball of Hollywood.
He's just a little odd ball. And because he's been
in so many rom coms and action movies and now
he's transitioned to being a serious actor, he passes for
like a normal bland movie star, cookie cut of celebrity.
(16:17):
But in his heart of hearts, he's just a little
odd ball. Remember when he came to Australia and was
like held hostage by his like host family, and he
had a whole situation. Yeah, look up that story. It
is crazy. Yeah, he came to Australia and like on
exchange and got wrapped up in this like craziness with
his host family. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, like he was like like a recent press story
was last week.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No no, no no, when he was like a young teenager.
There's all these stories. I remember Dax's shepherd saying that
he and Ashton Kutcher were on like a tiny island
with him somewhere with Matthew mconnaughey and now having this
like or like an island that was hard to you know,
you had to get like a seaplane and a boat
and all this sort of stuff. And they all wanted
to watch this big football game the next morning, and
they were partying tonight and they're like Matthew was like
drinking and he was dancing on the beach and he
(17:00):
was playing the drums. And the next morning they get
up to watch this game and they were like where's
McConaughey and Ashton Kutcher turned on the TV and Matthew
McConaughey is sitting next to the coach at the game.
This is like in a different country with a headset
and being like let's go, let's go, and they're just like,
how did he get there? And apparently he like charted
a helicopter in the middle of the night and flew
(17:21):
himself to the game. It's just like they were just
like they were like, that's normal, Like you just never
know Matthew McConaughey. Like one moment you're on an island
with him, you're having a drink. The next moment he's
like coaching a college football game on the other side
of the world, and that's just him. Everyone's like, that's
just him.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But this is I feel like a lot of celebrities
are like this. They are just they really are very
quirky and they are in their own worlds and they
don't realize what they're saying is bizarre. Like I don't
think he wrote that thinking this is gonna get some cliques,
Like I think he just genuinely thought that this was
like a spiritual awakening and then he wanted to share
it with people. Yeah, that's why I think it's funny,
because I'm like, you've convinced just you're in this bubble
(17:56):
of hongwoand and Los Angeles where everything like this feels
normal to you anyway, It's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I just think it's the only time I think. I
mean again, I don't know her, but I'm thinking Camilla,
his wife, is probably just okay with him sharing this.
The only twenty years the only story where he's shared
about her where I was like, hm, what was she
okay with that? Is when he was talking about her
giving birth too. I think it was their first son,
because they've got three kids. Okay. I did not look
this up. I just sometimes I, against my will, retain
(18:23):
celebrity baby names. So Matthew McConaughey's kids called Levi yep,
Vida yep, Livingstone yep. Is it really yeap? Oh my god,
imagine the information that could be in my brain if
I didn't know that. That is such useless information for
me to have. Anyway, he was saying to the story, like,
I think is when she was giving birth to Levi.
He's like, yeah, she was giving birth, and he's like,
and I was helping, and so I was just like
(18:44):
on the drums and I was taking my shirt off,
and I was like, let's get primal with it. And
I was like, I bet she was like, get out
of here, I'm giving birth and you're on the bongo saying,
let's get primal with it. It's like, so see yourself out.
She has never said that. I'm potentially just reading into
her thoughts. But I think when you're married to Matthew McConaughey,
you just expect that, not.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That he ever would, but I could never be married
to that man. Not that this is like an issue
like that meant the things that he comes out with
from his mouth is like my worst night man.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh my god. You know who I would marry is
Matthew McConaughey circa how to Loser Guy intended.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, yes, that is his absolute hottest.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I would put up with all the crazy bullshit for that,
and I think he has gotten crazier as time has
gone on. There's a seen it. It's seen from a
Wolf of Wall Street where he just starts, yeah, so
that was in the scripture. Does he just does that?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I love that, And you can see Leona DiCaprio's face
through his character just be like, what the hell, what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Make iconic parts of the entire movie.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And that's just him behind the I love it. So
I guess my message to end to Matthew McConaughey would
be like, tell more weird stories, tell more sex stories.
Tell with the consent of your wife of course, just
tell me all the weird stories. I want to hear
all of them. Well, from whilst celebrity sex stories to
my other favorite thing to talk about, and that's Wicked
in all shapes and forms incarnations. Because it has been
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out now across the world, the new movie Weicked for Good.
It has been Adam Cinemas for over a week now,
and we have some wonderful news, which is a few
box office records that have been broken. So they actually
doubled the number of domestic ticket sales, which is a
huge thing. That had a huge audience last time, but
this time they had people like literally lining the streets
to see this movie. It actually had the second biggest
(20:26):
US opening of the year after a Minecraft movie which
actually was quite good. I thought people loved it, and
Lelo and Stitch, which obviously had this huge movie fan
base there. So the global numbers make it the biggest
international opening for a stage musical adaptation ever, beating out
last year's Wicked movie, which had originally set that bar,
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so huge, huge numbers there, and what a lot of
people are talking about along with their thoughts on the
movie and the box office opening, is the relationship between
Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo, which we've now seen for
a second time on their second press tour.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So even though this particular press store has been a
lot more subdued than last years, there has still been
the exact same conversation happening as happened last year, because
we've got that really iconic press to a moment. Last
year we was holding space and the finger. We all
remember that. It's become enmeshed in our pop culture knowledge now.
But this year things have been a little bit quieter,
(21:25):
but still that same narrative of like Cynthia and Ariana's
relationship has been really really consistent, and that is that
their relationship is quote weird and way too close, and
now people are talking about how they're trauma bonded.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting way to put it because I
think obviously there was a huge focus on their off
screen relationship last year, but I think the conversation around
them as co stars and friends has actually changed quite
dramatically over a year. So we only got really our
first taste of it last year, especially when the press
too were started right here in Australia. We had the
world premiere, we had the first lot of interviews there.
(22:04):
Interview I did interview them and tell you what I
saw this is I find myself defending them quite a
bit in terms of like how emotional they get.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I do too, And I think that comes from that
sort of theater nerd background, because there is this sense
of camaraderie and closeness that you get on a production
and they are literally on the biggest production of all time,
and they're both theater kids and they just love it,
and that really brings people really close together.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, so these are obviously characters that they had loved
it for over twenty years plus. Also, when you're an
actress and performer, you're already at an emotional level of
a fifteen most of the time, or you should be
to give a proper performance. And I also think like
a lot of the world saw them crying all the
time in their interviews, but what they didn't see at
the time, especially that first premiere in Australia, was the
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literally hundreds of fans who had lined the streets for
over twenty four hours just to get a glimpse of
them across the road at the State Theater, and I
literally saw these people sobbing, and I thought, like, you
must be sobbing for exhaustion. But any one of them
that I asked, because I love to go talk to
people online and ask like, why did you line up
for twenty four hours? Like I'm so fascinated by that,
And I think it's such a beautiful thing to have
(23:17):
that level of fandom. I can't imagine loving anything that
much like I love Wicked, but I would never line
up for thirty hours just to get a glimpse of
the premiere across the road. And they just were so
happy to be there. And then even at the junket,
people were crying, like other journalists I saw were crying
going into the junkit and in the room afterwards we
were all waiting for our interview cards to be given
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to us without interviews on them. People were crying in
the room and I'm like, well, of course Ariana and
Cynthia are crying because all they're doing all day is
staying across from people who were crying and telling them
how much this means to them, so we had that.
I think by the end of that first press tour,
people were starting to get a little bit like, Oh,
it's too much. It's too much. And then for Wicked
for Good, as you're saying, we had that very reduced
(23:59):
press tour where they walked some red carpets, they did
a few red carpet interviews, They did like a few
little kind of bespoke interviews, but they didn't do that
big press junkut run that they had done originally. And
I think some of the reason around that is that
one they had kind of done so much leg work
the first time, and they were corrected. There was a
huge carryover to the second movie. But I do think
(24:20):
they were trying to sort of make the focus more
about the movie and the characters and the new songs,
rather than putting a spotlight on the actors who were
having a bit of a difficult time. But what has
happened is that the focus hasn't been on the movie.
The focus has been on these women and all these
theories and stories, some of them quite dark and quite disturbing,
(24:40):
that have popped up.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I want to be very conscious about how dark we
get because some of the accusations about them I think
are more harmful then will do any good to talk about.
A lot of people are talking about how they touch
each other a lot, and in a recent interview with
Amy Poehler, Amy asked Arianna about this, and she says,
I channel a lot of energy through my hands, and
(25:02):
so I'm always holding a hand, I'm always like squeezing
or something. As you've learned, I'm always reaching for something.
So so that was her reasoning for the touching. I
can relate to that. I feel like I've become quite
a physical person, so I can kind of understand that
the thing that I think is the most harmful is
a lot of the conversation around their bodies.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so there's been a bit of an escalation of
different moments. So at first, people I think were kind
of amused, but also like in a loving way, being like, oh,
they're always clinging to each other. They always seem very
overcome by all these lines of questioning. They're crying, they're hugging,
they're talking about how they've changed each other's lives, and
you know, people question that, but also people kind of
(25:43):
found it quite endearing this time around, also because I
think it's somehow felt like a very subdue press to it.
It didn't have the not that people didn't love the movie,
and not that I didn't get from them that they
weren't excited. And also I guess they're saying goodbye to
these characters. Last time they were just like, Hey, we'll
see you guys in a year. This time, I feel
like there's a real sense of completion for them that
this moment is over. So the press to her has
(26:04):
felt very subdued, and we're not getting all of those
other moments to cling to. And there's been some conspiracy
theories because for the last premiere, after the whole thing
had happened with the fan running at Ariana and Cynthia
jumping in front of her and all of that stuff.
After that happened, it came out that Cynthia Arrivo wasn't
going to do interviews at the next big premiere, which
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was one of the final premieres, because she said she
had lost her voice. And then Mariana came out and
said that she also wasn't going to do interviews, just
sort of in solidarity with Cynthia, and so then the
conspiracy started that they were so traumatized by the press
and that incident, they didn't want to talk to people,
and that was kind of an excuse. And then Ariana
Grande came out and said that she had COVID nineteen
(26:47):
and would have to pull out of some press dudies
for Wicked, and then all these conspiracy theories started, and
this has gone rampant in all like forums and like
some new sites TikTok, especially like for me it's every
second video is this conspiracy theory that Ariana Grande lied
about having COVID nineteen to stay away from the press
line And one of those things is about what you're
(27:09):
saying about this conversation around her body. And I've seen
so many people just say straight to Canberra, this completely
unfounded accusation. Ariana Grande lied about having COVID nineteen to
hide her eating disorder, which is a crazy take to
say for someone that we have no idea what's going
on in her life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I have a lot of issues with this for a
number of reasons. It's not just about Ariana. It's now
extended to Cynthia Arrivo and to Michelle Yo to a
slightly lesser extent, but the amount of videos I've seen
of people doing before and afters upsets me because I
do feel like it is indicative of a bigger issue
(27:49):
with you know, the way that we talk about women's
bodies in Hollywood. But I also I don't think we
should be diagnosing people's medical issues. And yeah, it just
it feels very very it's upsetting to me this narrative.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, and I look, I understand that, like when you
see those videos that are put out into the world,
they can be confronting. People want to talk about them
because what we're seeing is and some of these taken
over a decade ago, some of these photos and videos
of in particular Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande showing these
changes in their body and showing how they looked one
way in the past while working on other projects and
(28:24):
now showing that they appear to have much smaller frames,
in particular in this press run that they're doing at
the moment where you know, they're getting photographed from every
angle and film from every angle, and so their bodies
are on display and in such a huge way that
they really can't control what images are going out there
because it's just on every platform and the narrative that
(28:45):
has come from that is people are linking all of
these different things and saying they're saying that they've gone
through a lot together. They're talking of these past events.
They appear to be like very trauma bonded, and their
bodies look drastically different and smaller, and these questions are like,
what happened on the Wicked set? What's happened to them?
And it's painted this narrative, which is very flimsy and
(29:06):
I think kind of takes away from actual real issues
that could be discussed here. This's very flimsy narrative that
they went through some terrible trauma during the years that
they filmed Wicked, because they filmed the two movies back
to back, so it was this huge shoot that they
went through this unspeakable trauma, and their bodies have shrunk
as a result of that.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, Like as a long phone draw, they're also sort
of comparing it to the things that happened on the
set of The Wizard of Oz, like in nineteen thirty nine,
which is very famously one of the most traumatic sets
that has ever existed. You know, we've got all those
stories of the tin Men having lead poisoning. We've got
Judy Garland being starved and given uppers and down as
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it's very very well reported on the set of that movie.
So people are making a connection between these you were
calling it like the Wicked Curse or Wizard of Oz curse.
I would like to just be very careful about feeding
into that narrative.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, And this is what I hate about conversations like this,
is like, I think there's a way to have a
conversation about the stigma around weight at different sizes. I
think there's a a conversation to be had about body inclusivity,
especially in Hollywood, because we've seen a real slide back
on that. I never think that you have to use
specific women or bodies or photos. And I know that
(30:20):
sounds hard, but I've done it many times. I've written
a lot about the way we look at bodies, especially
on famous women, and the way that there's not a
lot of diversity in the movies and TV shows we're watching.
And every time I've done that, I have never named
any specific women, using any specific photos. So for everyone
who's kind of centering in, I just think there's a
way to have this conversation without putting a woman or
(30:42):
like two co stars in the firing line of any
kind of conversation. It's also not their job to sort
of advocate for any level of body diversity. That's not
even a conversation for the Wicked press tour, is what
I'm thinking. I think there's definitely a conversation to be
hard about Hollywood body diversity, but this is not the
place for it. But I also think if people want
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to assign trauma to these women that they themselves have
brought up a few times and said, like, they haven't
said the words word trauma bonded, but they have said,
we've been through so much together. They're talking about things
they've been through like they are actually on the record,
and they have for many years talked about things they're
going through. And I'm like, why don't we look at
what they're actually saying instead of what their bodies look
(31:24):
like In this particular case, because Ariana Grande has talked
about going through really immense post traumatic stress disorder, grief
and depression at a time when she was making a
lot of back to back albums and touring, and she
even has said in a profile to Vogue, I mean
she said this many times, but just in this particular profile,
she said, I'm a person who's been through a lot,
(31:45):
and I don't know what to say about it, even
to myself, let alone the world. But I'm sort of
trying to say And she hasn't touched on every piece
of trauma she's gone through, but not should she have to, No,
just yet, absolutely not. But she's also you know, she
was very close friends with Mac Miller before they began
a romantic relationship and then his death. She has talked
about hitting her really hard. Also, you know, the Manchester bombings,
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which she still talks about this to this day, being
this huge trauma that affected her and so many people.
And again I think that is when she talks about
trauma and like what happened to her that fan event
the other day, Like they are intrinsically linked in this
term of like she doesn't feel safe in a crowd
and she feels very protective of the crowds around her
after what she went through, and so I think she's
(32:29):
talking about that. And Cynthia Arrivo has also said that
when she met Mariana, they had this instant connection because
they had this artistic connection, but they also she has
said that she recognized her as a person who has
been through so much trauma and essentially needed to be protected.
And then Cynthia Orrivo, I mean, she has a way
talked about a lot of things that she's been through
(32:52):
in her life. But I think we're about to learn
so much more about Cynthia Arrivo's story. And I think
it's very telling that this is happening after this huge
press to her for these incredible movies and like hopefulucial
Win and Oscar. But she does have a memoir coming
out called Simply More, and a few of the chapters
and stories from that book have started being released as
she does press for it. I mean, she's had this
(33:13):
crazy successful life that she's also had a really difficult life,
especially with some of the things to do with her family.
She talks about being estranged from her father and them
having this kind of moment where he just left her
on a train platform and their life has really never
been the same, and she talks about him not being
the person who should be her dad and how difficult
(33:35):
that has been. She talks about having to she's close
to her mother and sister now but having to rebuild
relationships with them, and she talks about her family in
particular and not not accepting her queerness and having to
hide that, and the trauma she's been through and why
she's so big on giving back now and she still
goes back and is like a board member, and like
the school that she trained at, she goes back and
visits her old school and all these kind of things.
(33:56):
Is like, I really think that she's only kind of
touched on the things she's been through in her life.
And so I just think that she and Ariana, like, again,
I don't know what happened to these women. I have
no way, but I would summise from the story they're
telling us that I don't think trauma happened to them
on the Wicked set. I think they were on that set,
and we know that they were attached to the hip
(34:17):
on that set for pretty much the majority of the
time they were filming. Yeah, and then all of the
trauma that they went through was shared between each other.
And so when they're walking down those red carpets and
they're hearing that crazy were of the crowd, they're holding
onto each other because of every safety Yeah, because of
the stories they told each other on the set, not
because something terrible happened to them on the set. As
(34:38):
far as I do, I mean I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean, I can imagine how challenging it would
be to be in those situations where it is very overwhelming.
You and I were at that premiere in City at
the State Theater for the original Wicked. It was insane.
Can you imagine being yelled at like that day after
day after day? I can't. Those movie premieers give me
over stimulated.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Absolutely, those movie premiers give me so much. Just I
didn't go to one this week because I'm like, I
might really stressed this week and busy, and so there
was a huge premiere here in Sydney, and I just
knew it would be people knocking into each other and
people screaming. And I've been at that location before and
have nearly had the barricades tip on top of me
because people were trying to trample my body to get
to the movie star next to me. I'm not saying, oh,
(35:19):
poor me, I have to go to premieres, but I'm
just saying, like, even as someone who's not involved in it,
who's just there, like, those events are a lot and
I think if they're happening to a person who's already
quite in a stressful situation, you're the center of it,
that would be a lot. But yeah, I just think
it's interesting how the narrative around the lead actresses of
Wicked has kind of changed. And I've got to say,
(35:40):
I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I don't love it either. It's become just.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Like, don't we all remember we love Wicked. If we
love Wicked, we love them like that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I do feel like it's a bit of a result
of people just like trying to find conspiracy theorys in everything,
like there always has to be some kind.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And we can never keep a happy story.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We've got to put that, you know, that spooky music
that people have on TikTok, Like, let's put that over
every single interaction that anyone has with anyone, and we
can create a conspiracy theory. So I agree with you.
Let's enjoy Wicked for what it is. These two incredible
actors who have portrayed these iconic characters, and they've had
to say goodbye to them, which is very sad for us.
(36:16):
Although I have heard rumors that this potentially could be
a third I mean, I would love that, but.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I would love I know, I know all I would say,
like I just they're definitely getting nominated for Oscars, and
so all I'm saying to all of you people out
there making the weird tiktoks is that this best not
carry over to their Oscar moment, because I just want
that to be them hugging on the red carpet, them
singing on stage. They both got their original songs which
will me nominate it, and I just want it to
be like this, like beautiful, crazy love fest that theater
(36:41):
kids like live for and just like leave the NASSA.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Thank this for a really long time. Thank you so
much for listening to the Spill today. If you love
Wicked like Laura and I do, make sure you go
and check out our watch party on Wicked for Good.
We'll pop that link in the show notes. And if
you've been affected by anything that we've spoken about today,
we do have a number of resources in our show notes,
including the Butterfly Foundation. The Spill is produced by Minicia
(37:06):
iswa Own with sound production by Scott Stronach.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of
the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander cultures.
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