November 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Robert Irwin has been crowned the winner of Dancing With The Stars, but that’s not the biggest reveal to come out of the finale. It looks like he’s now dating a very famous Hollywood actress, so allow us to present the evidence.
And, look, we think the pressure on celebrities to tell funny stories on talk shows has escalated to an unmanageable level, because Kate Beckinsale has just shared the wildest story we’ve ever heard, and we need you all to be horrid with us.
Plus, Lizzo has penned an extraordinary essay about her weight loss, the scandal that nearly ended her career, and what she owes her fans. Her statements feel like a battle cry, so why is no one talking about this?
Read Lizzo's substack article here.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily
pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Broadneck and today I'm joined
by Manisha Sworn, the executive producer of The Spill. Found
her way into the hot seat. Have you buried EM's
(00:31):
body anywhere.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And can't make it today? If I found covered.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've locked her up and it's me. I'm the star
you arrive. I'm just sitting here. I'm not gonna ask
any questions, just rolling. You're in the charge of making
me look good on this spot and how I sound
and everything, so I shouldn't play around with this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We don't know what's gonna happen now.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
If I have to sacrifice Em, who is safe, don't worry.
She's in posting up a storm on her Instagram today.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
She's in Perth. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
We can keep tabs on her pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But you are the producer of the show. You ducking
it out with your hot takes and your recommendations. You
hear to host today. I mean, if anyone wants to
know what it's really like hosting The Spill. The dirty
behind the scenes seat Chris, you could ask Mansia because
she's got it all.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Throw out the rundown. He's just doing a tell all.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm just doing a tell all. Yeah, what's the most
annoying thing about me being the hoes? Is it when
I complain about my hair, my boobs, my seat or
the headphones?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
So many that's the triage. I'd say, like, that's the
list of the top three. But no, yeah, if you
are a Broadney, oh that was.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The correct answer. So we're actually not here to talk
about my hair today, although we could that could be
a separate pod. We're actually here to talk about one
of the wildest late night interviews we have ever seen
from a celebrity. And that's all I'm gonna say, because
I am still doubting if this is even real or
if I just had a weird fever dream and created
it in my head. Plus, Lizzo has written an incredibly
(01:46):
honest and very vulnerable substack about her cancelation and her
weight loss and her fame. We're going to delve into
that because it is truly one of the most honest
pieces of writing I've ever seen from a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
There's some wild stuff in.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
There, but first, we have a national victory to talk about,
we do.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I guess this is how people feel when someone from
their country winds an Olympic at all. Yeah, it's akin
to that, which does happen to us Astraia a lot famously.
But I mean, for me, Dancing with the Stars probably
sits above that does say and our beautiful, beautiful national
treasure wildlife conservationist Robert Irwin has shimmied his way to
Mirrorble fame with his dance partner Whitney Carson, who I
(02:26):
also love, and I think she's done a brilliant job
this season. And it's ten years after his sister Bindi
won the same title, so that is so adorable for
their family.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, she was in the audience with Terry and her
husband and everything.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They were cheering. It was very very cute.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, And I think it just goes to show well,
so lovely seeing them in the audience and seeing their
reaction to when they found out rob one. They just
looked so genuinely delighted and she ran over and like
hugged him, And they're just great performers in that family.
Like I mean watching him throughout this season, the way
he lights up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The Irwin fangirl, it's crazy, Like your face is a
glow right now, and talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Him, I've come to life because you have like it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
You know him?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh yeah, we got time to fight. Yeah we hang out. No,
he didn't invite me to before, but I did.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Used to work at the Project and he was quite
a regular panelist on the project. He's obviously in the
Network ten family, I'm a celeb and all of that,
and I think he's just done. I mean, I think
he's a lovely, lovely man, and you would have spoken
to him. I know everyone who's interviewed him.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, but you've been in meetings with him and stuff,
and what can you tell. I'm not me trying to
get you to cancel Robert Irwin, but like now would
be the time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, quite the opposite.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I couldn't even say anything cancellable about him because he
is exactly how he is on air, that is how he.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is off it I'm talking about. He definitely would not
remember me, But I'm like.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Rob we did work together, yeah, capacity, But he's lovely
behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So lovely, very I think he still has that sort
of TV presenter energy that him and Bindi do carry
that people sometimes think is not authentic, but I'm like,
we have to remember these kids grew up in front
of the camera, like.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, they're used to being on and being polite and
people stopping them since they are little kids and everything.
It's so funny. Whenever I'm overseas, people like, oh, you're
from Australia. I'm like, yes, and especially now, like recently
when I was overseas, the first thing people say to
me is like, oh, my god, you know that Irwin's
Do you know Bindi and Robert Irwin? And like, I
mean most people would be able to say that, Thank god,
I can say, like I've met them both a few
times and they're super lovely, But like that is the
(04:14):
first thing that Australians get asked.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now, I feel, yeah, if you don't know the are
you actually from Austria.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But they're like, surely you guys know each other, like
you will hang out and stuff, And I was like, yeah,
there's a clubhouse all Australians hang out together.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
We have dinner.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So yeah. So he won the Mirror Ball Trophy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It was like a huge season, like this is one
of the biggest seasons, Like Dancing the Stars has been
on the air in America for over thirty years now,
but this season is like really took off on TikTok
and had these crazy fandoms, and I think Robert was
always one of the clear winners all the way through.
So when it was announced he won, and that was
really exciting and it was all like, you know, confetti
and everything. But there was a little side story that's
(04:47):
been happening that we want to talk about, and that
is his alleged which I think is real, very famous
new girlfriend that he met on the show, and we
got to watch their chemistry. You love chemistry. You got
to watch their chemistry live on the show for the
first time.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, she came on because there was this twentieth birthday
celebration Dancing with the Stars, so they brought a lot
of the old winners and so she actually won in
twenty twenty three. Her partner was Val Chmerkovsky. If you
guys aren't inter Dancing with the Stars law, the Chmerkovsky brothers.
They are two well the older one doesn't do it anymore,
but they're two of.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
The pro dancers.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it there, but they do
a deep dive if you want to.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So this girl came on. Her name is Zochi Gomez.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You probably know her from the Marvel Cinematic Universe film
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. She was also
Dawn Schaeffer in the Netflix series The Babysitters.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She was so good in that I've been obsessed with
her since then because yes, I obviously watched that in
as adult.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, No, I love this girl. That was my inn
when her season of Dancing with Stars. That was my
inn for the show before this season with like Robert Irwin,
because I loved her from a Babysitters Club. I loved
her from Marvel and all her interviews and how like
well spoken, sweet and funny she was. And I mean,
I know they all go really hard in Dancing with
the Stars, but I just got really swept up in
all the videos of her like doing her training and
(06:02):
like learning to dance, and she would get so emotional.
She just like very grew herself into it. Yeah, and
when she won, it was a huge thing. So when
she came back to meet Robert, I think it was
like it feels like it was like a script from
a movie.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I know, it just feels meant to be. So she
comes back. They do this twentieth birthday celebration.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
They danced to Dance with Me Tonight by Olimers, which
is such a cute song.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They do a little give to it. The chemistry is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Popp And that was the moment from when those clips
started surfacing of Zochi and Robert dancing together and they're
like they're little hug afterwards and how they walked off,
people were like, oh my god, they're in love, and
we watched them fall in love in that dance.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Well, see, I wasn't initially on board with it because
I've been gas lit by Dancing with the Stars before.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I always think they're and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You're like, oh my god, I've got some competition. Yeah,
take this girl down. What is she nineteen from?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I'm not gonna comment, but with Dancing with the Stars,
they always do this thing where like they try and
drum it up, But in their case, it wasn't a
narrative that was I think.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They were trying to drum up because they weren't paired together.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It was meant to be, just like they're matching up
past winners, and it's a whole thing of them coming back,
which was a huge, like extra rating thing. And I
think they just pay them together because they're so similar
age that it just made sense that they would dance together.
But they didn't need to make a narrative, was what
I'm saying. Like, people just watch them dance together, and
they were all in we did it ourselves, so hungry
for chemistry.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They look like a.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Little Disney couple because he's so expressive and she's so expressive,
and I feel like they would I mean, I don't
want to put this on them, but I think they
have a lot in common in you know, growing up
sort of in the industry and be able to trade
a lot of stories.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There were not putting any pressure on them, so it
wasn't just that moment. So they met, and also she
was in like the rehearsal room with him, so we
had all that footage. And then they were spotted together
like with other people after that event, so people were like,
oh my god, they're dating, They're going out together.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They're just trying to hide it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But then she was at the finale and after it
was announced that he had won and people were congratulating him.
There's footage of her running across the floor through the crowd.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
They have this really long hug. You look, we're about
to cry.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know if you're friends.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Oh okay again allegedly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Allegedly they had this beautiful long hug and then he
kind of whispers in her I'll see you soon, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
A man written by creepy right now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, she also brought him flowers, which you know, women
don't get men flowers enough.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sometimes men want flowers.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
She got him flowers before the finale, and then after
he won.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
She also put up on.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Her instant stories, I'm so incredibly proud of you too,
what a season?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, I mean she said you too.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Say yeah, because she's trying with the dance partner as well.
But we'll just push that aside because it doesn't fit
the narrative that I'm trying to put out there, which
is that they've fallen madly in love. When he said
to her, i'll see you soon. There is an after
party that they were all going to, so I'm sure
that's what it meant.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
And if they hadn't already kissed, they'll kiss at the
after party.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm sure, yeah, okay, allegedly allegedly imagine if this is
all we got soup for.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
But I think The Thing with the Stars is really
one of those shows where it is quite a good
place to meet someone.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
There's a lot of emotions going on.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
She would have seen all the raps about you know,
him and his dad, and probably like learned a lot
about him at the way.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because you're taking this, you learn a lot about the contestant.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, Well, so I don't know, I could see it
being prime setting.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
For Yeah, I would actually, And he's talked about, you know,
he broke up with his other girlfriend a while ago.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He said he was just focusing on dance. But now
that's over.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do think Robert Erwin has a very famous new girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
That's just what.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They're not looking. That's when they come. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So this week one of my favorite oddball actresses, Kate Beckhamsale,
went on the Jimmy Fallon Show, and she told a
story that I still am not one hundred percent sure
that I didn't somehow make up in my head, although
even the depths of my imagination wouldn't have stretched to this,
and I can't even usually on the spill I'll just
explain most of it in paraphrase. I cannot paraphrases. I
(09:47):
cannot explain it. So here is the clip.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He laid two eggs in a week, is what the
bright spot was.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who did the boyfriend did?
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He's a Jew from New Jersey and I thought possibly
it was that, But I haven't met any of the
Jews from New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You've done that?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Could we rewind for just a moment, What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
He's laid too eggs in a week?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, he said, I've laid an egg, and of course
I was like, okay, trying to pull focus on the
cancer operation, you know, But it had a shell and a.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yoke, and the egg came out of his body.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Yes, I'm not out of his mouth or ears. It
came out the root. Did it would come out of
the hen. He came out of his egg hole, not
his vagina. I mean he went to the bathroom and
then was very surprised to find that he had he
had laid an egg. So the first time it happened,
he was he was genuinely scared and he you know,
he was like, it's got a full shell, it's got
(10:40):
a yolk, and you know, it's the size of a bird.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, heed it.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yes, he crushed it because he was inside a yolk
was inside like a hard boiled one too, so it
just kind of cooked inside him.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, well, boyfriend's laiden egg. Whatever.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And then a week later and I get a text going,
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, he's
done it again, and now he's really freaking out. His
dad came up with this theory very quickly, like, oh,
you were probably on the toilet and the window was
open and there was a net outside, and the egg
went in your And I was like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You're very quick with this.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
You clearly are putting eggs up your son's butt in
the night. Do you are you putting eggs upt your bottom?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know? Like, and it's a fair question.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think it's quite hard to put an egg up
your bottom and then get it out whole without injuring
the egg.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean, I think that's a skill. Tell me that's
not the world.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I texted all these doctors that I know, and then
they texted everyone they were ever at medical school with,
so the whole of America was involved.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And well, someone said, has he had a light chi
and he hadn't.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Have you been taking any kind of sleep medications which
would involve you perhaps, you know when you like take
an ambient and then eat the whole fridge. Have you
taken something just shoving? Yeah, No, he hadn't. So it's
my favorite thing he's ever done. And I really like
him anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I just I don't even know well, I mean, the
first part of my mind is like she's joking, but.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It's a weird joke.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Just the thing is, it's a it's a flat out lie. Yeah,
unless she believes, maybe she believes.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I actually believe.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I believe that Kate Beckhacell believes that her daughter's boyfriend
did lay two eggs.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
There was just a lot to unpack there. And I'm
assuming that her daughter and the boyfriend gave permission for
this story to be told. If not, he's getting some
uncomfortable text messages and phone calls today. So her daughter
is Lily mo Sheen, her daughter with actor Michael Sheen.
I think she's a college now, so she's becoming an
actress now too, And she's always in instagrams and stuff
with her mom, like like they seem to have a
(12:45):
very fun mother daughter. Like out in the world Gilmore
girls s sometimes like relationship. So I'm assuming that she
said it was okay for a mom to go on
international TV and tell this story, which has now gone viral.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
The path that really got me was that she starts
telling it and then she goes so the first time
it happened, it kept.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Like he just regularly does this.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was don't tell people in the office about this. Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was really walking up to people and being like,
I have to tell you something, and I don't think
anyone was having the correct reaction. They were just like, oh, yeah,
I did say that, and I no, no, no, it's
not about seeing it. It's about like talking about what
happened and the fact that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You're like, we need to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, I'm invested.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I would to be on the text chain with the doctors,
know what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I'm like, I have to assume, as you said, she's
gotten permission to talk about this, because if it wasn't
a joke and this was actually happening, that would be
a deeply concerning medical issue.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I hope that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Boy is in an icee you somewhere because it also
it's the detail she is saying, like, oh, I was worried,
but she's also saying it a bit too matter of
factly for me for me to think it's a real thing.
And the fact that she's like it had a shell,
we cut it open and it was a line.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
There was a yoke, It was yokeless. We wouldn't even
be talking about it on the pod.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But given the fact the words there was a yog
haught me to my dying day.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And also she said it was like hard boiled. She
was like, did that like manufacture inside of him?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's just so visual questions.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I mean, look, this is not a medical podcast, but
I'm gonna say I did look it up and no,
humans can't lay a full egg with a yolk in it.
So if that happens to you, please see urgent medical Attention.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, all the comments I was going through, like the
and the people were deeply concerns, like it did not
register as a joke for most of you. But people
can have kidney stones question mark, and I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Can't usually even see it. I've heard they hurt like
a bitch coming out, but they're shiny. They're not a
fully formed egg with a yolk.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Also, if I laid an egg and I talked about
that at family dinner, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Move off that topic. Yeah, this is an ongoing thing.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I wouldn't be having the conversation at family dinner. We'd
be having that in an emergency room because I wouldn't
leave until I found the root cause of why I
had laid that egg.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Two eggs, not one, but two. That's where it gets one.
You write it off. I don't write off things happen
you grow with.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
If you lay an egg, please don't write it off.
Seek medical attention.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I think i'd wait for the second.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's a bad advice.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Egg to the that's the teaching.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
It could be the raw.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Let's put that in the skill like bylaws or something
like you go to the doctor. So here's the thing.
When I saw this, I had a lot of thoughts
about yolks and eggs and whatnot. But then my second
thought about this that I've been thinking about NonStop since
I saw it yesterday. My second thought is, I think
we are putting too much pressure on celebrities to go
on late night talk shows and do a bit and
(15:24):
tell a funny story. It is now escalated to the
point where beloved British actress Kate beckhamsale really believe. I
think she believes it, believes that her daughter's boyfriend laid
an egg. Because you know what's like you hear celebrities
talk about the anxiety and the stress they feel, Like
I feel like some celebrities have more anxiety about going
(15:44):
on a late night talk show than they often do
about like how they roll in a movie will be received,
or how they'll do on a red carp or anything
like that, because those slots, like they know that that's
a huge part of their promo tourre it gets watched
by millions of people, the clips go viral. But also
like there's this whole thing of like you want to
be a good guest and like you want to have
a good bit and being entertainer. So we know that
(16:06):
produce uses from these shows call up the celebrities well
in advance and they ask them all these questions and
they mind them for stories. And Christen Bell even talks
about it a lot, like that's her biggest thing of
like I've got to tell a good story, I've got
to do a bid good bit.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
What can I do?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then like that becomes this huge stress and then
they go and put on this big performance.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So I wonder if that pressure.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Has like escalated, like you know, like you used to
do that, right, used to.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Tell people a really bad thing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You used to do that, right, you'll tell make people
think they laid eggs.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Not quite that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
But I was a TV producer before this, and there
is a lot of that pre production stuff that does happen,
and before I worked in that role, just as a viewer,
I don't think I realized how much goes into manufacturing
those moments, like no one's just coming up with.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That egg store, because they make it look because the
host always acts like they're just hearing it. This is
the first time that came up really organically. So they'll
just wander out like celebrity will wander outs on the
chair and they'll be like, what have you been up
too recently? And they'll be like, oh my god, crazy
other day, I got stuck in an elevator and the
host pretends not to know, but they do know, they
definitely know, And the sleds usually practice like they I've
heard felebs say this. They practice it to get the
(17:11):
telling and the beats right.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, and you're not walking into an interview if you're
a celebrity of any level without like your prs looked
over all the points.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They've looked over all the points. Multiple people have signed
off on this.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
There's usually depending on the level of celebrity, you'll either
talk to them or you'll talk to the person handling them. Yeah,
And a lot of the times because obviously, when you're
doing interviews like that, you're coming on to promote book,
you're coming on to promoter movie, a song, whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's not what the interviewer wants to talk.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
To you about.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
That's the reason you're there, so we can ask you
the funny, weird things or who your celebrity best friend
is or who you're kissing at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's the stuff that you want.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So a lot of the time, the production person or whatever,
we're trawling the internet looking through their social media looking
for any little clues they could give you an idea
of a weird, quirky story or what that moment of
the interview is gonna be that's gonna go viral, or
that everyone's going to talk about because it's not going
to be then plugging the menu book.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The interesting thing about this is that
Jimmy Fallon did look. I actually believe he's genuinely shocked
in this slip because I'm assuming that he got his
run shot of his guests and who they're talking about,
and they said, Kate beckhamsale funny egg story. Kate's on
that show a lot, she tells funny stories. He was
probably like, oh, yeah, this will like whatever Kate wants
to say will be great. And then she came out
(18:17):
with that and he's like, I just.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Don't know it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Just so the thing is like there's so many stories
that you can just tell if it's a joke or
like they've punched it up, but I just there's no
punchline to this.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It just like on. She just goes on and on
like she believes it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And then she's like, yeah, it's a real medical situation,
like he's quite worried about it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And then like they just go to commercial break.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
And she shows them the photo. She's like the and
they're all looking at it. I know all that that
I can't look at that photo was so intense.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I reckon.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The production team would have obviously found out about this
been like, we are sitting on a gold mine, like this.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Egg story, give her extra time, and they.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Would have intentionally held that back from him and been like,
we want an organic, genuine reaction, cause people do that
all the time, Like you want the actual first reaction
on the show.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So may questions.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The thing is like, though we know Kate beckhamsale like
I was saying before, when you look at her, she
looks like this classical English rose actress, and so many
people grow up watching her in like Pearl Harbor was
her really big first breakout role, like I love her
and Sarah and Dippity and Van Helsing and all these movies.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And but over the years she has.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Really put herself out there as like a prankster and
like a funny storyteller. And I wonder if this is
just a weird escalation of that, because I know she's
like she travels with a weird horse costume in her
suitcase that she'll often put on to prank people. And
then it's a two parter is so sometimes someone else
could get in the back, and like that's her life.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And she's also not conventional for my trouble with a
horse costume.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There is this whole thing about like a rabbit being sent
to her house that she was saying she know where
it was. She tells wild stories, like I.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Wonder it's one of those things where she's such a beautiful,
successful woman and she's like, I've got to have some quirks.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I've got to like manufacture some quirks.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think sometimes some people go through life being so
beautiful and loved that there's no there's no filter on them.
Like she she just so used to them to say
whatever she wants and do whatever she wants and be
like this crazy quirky person. Anyone else would be like
shunned from society. But everyone's like, oh Kate.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, maybe she specialized that anyone would think badly of her.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Well, I was actually talking in like a girl's group
chat about this clips.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And you were about to talk about it about the egg.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And someone was saying to me, and I think this
is true because everything now, as we're saying, it's like
a viral clip factory, and we're trying to get more
and more outrageous. So to be outrageous, you have to
be really outrageous. So much out there, but we were
actually saying, maybe now we'll do a loop back and
what's going to cut through. We'll just be going back
to the normal things of like you know, so, how
is it on set? Just craving a bit of normalcy
(20:39):
and something you don't have to watch three times to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So maybe we'll go back to being a little bit
more normaly.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe this has ended the great like late
night talk show kind of shoos spic cycle.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, this is the egg story is the end.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I think a human male laying two yolk filled eggs
is enough to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
He did not lay those eggs.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I mean I wanted to see a I don't want
to see it, but like I will believe it if
I see a video of the egg coming out of him,
not him and the egg later.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I literally need to see.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
The coming out.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I really don't know how we're going to set that up,
but I want the answer to this more than anything
else in the world. I want this more. I don't
care about the moon landing. I don't care what happened
between Meghan and Harry and the royal family or any
other contents and carry class, and that's not my business.
I care do this man lay an egg and someone
tell me?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But if we see it, I'll just think it's AI generated.
I know, I won't believe. I think I need to
see it live.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So we need to get First of all, we need
to befriend the Beckham Sale family and by extension, the
boyfriend didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I think you're very well connected.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Maybe maybe Kate would actually appreciate the honesty. And I
was like, we just want to be involved in the process. Yeah,
and maybe like all the you can give me why, Yeah,
we fly ourselves to she lives in La.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Tas deductible because it's for work.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yea, No, work's paying for it. We're not buying our
own egg ticquets to do this recreationally. And this is
what And then we I guess we spend a lot
of time with this man.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
How much time do we have to spend?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well watch the egg coming out?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Well, it sounds like it's pretty regular, like we might
just to go to dinner and then afterwards be like, shoot,
go back for a drink, and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Then I mean this would have to and then we
make an investigative podcast just off this because you have
to be like naked. It's getting weird, but like, how
do we feel the past weird?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like in twenty minutes ago?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, anyway, So what's so the teaching here is.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That I'm gonna keep an eye on this and I'm
gonna try and figure out if there's any news on
the egg front, will let spillers know. But I think
the big takeaway is that potentially, yeah, the late night
talk show, the pressure on sleds too much, we broke.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Them getting out of hands. Let's just talk about what
happens in movies.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Stick to that.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
So.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I know, just last week, Emily and I were saying
that celebrities shouldn't be on substack because they've got all
their other platforms to use. But I'm gonna make a
special exception in this case because I read a new
substack written by Lizzo a couple of days ago when
she posted it, and I cannot stop thinking about it,
and I think it's really important to discuss. So the
title of this substack that she wrote is why is
(23:01):
everybody losing weight? And what do we do? Sincerely a
person who's lost weight? So Lizo very publicly has been
on a bit of a saying, like weight loss journey,
she's been very open to the fact that she's been
trying to lose weight, and she's talked about different exercise
regimes that she's done and what she's been eating. She's
posted before and after picks along the way to her fans,
(23:22):
which she addresses the sort of backlash around that and
this piece. So I was really interested to read a
long form piece sort of completely in her words, talking
about something that she's received a lot of backlash for
over the years. So she starts off by saying I
started losing weight in the fall of twenty twenty three,
and then she goes on talk about that she was
severely depressed, and then she says I had been the
(23:45):
subject of a vicious scandal and it felt like the
whole world turned its back on me. She goes on
to say that she was then having suicidal thoughts, she
couldn't trust anyone, she felt like the world was kicking
her when she was down. Also, this is like really
confronting to read. She's like, I knew my fifteen minutes
of fame were over, which is so crazy to think about.
Like her being the biggest and most beloved pop star
(24:06):
in the world for quite a while there, sitting at
home and being like this is over. And then she
talked about wanting to turn this position that she was
in into power and how she would kind of do
that by changing her body and controlling what she was eating.
And so when she's talking about the scandal there, I mean,
there are a few different things to do with her
body and everything, but the biggest one that she was
(24:28):
accused of multiple people that she worked with, so dancers
and a stylist, of harassment in the workplace. There were
allegations of sexual harassment and racial harassment, and the lawsuits
were made public about this hostile work environment that was created,
and there was a lot of allegations in there about
things that her dancers said that she made them do,
(24:49):
like taking them to sex clubs and forcing them to
do different things, saying the toxic work environment was about,
like not letting them have breaks they felt too scared
to go the bathroom. These are all the allegations that
were in the legal documents. So those lawsuits now have
been dismissed, although there is still people who were pursuing
legal action. Again Lozo's actual companies with the company itself
(25:10):
but that really just had a huge domino effect on
her entire business, on her music, and on her career,
and sort of setting that aside. Because the case was dismissed,
allegations on both sides, dances are still sort of saying
that what they said was correct. Lizzo has denied all
the allegations all the way through, so we don't know
(25:30):
what's happened there. But when she says crisis at the
top of the subtect, that's what she's talking about, and
then goes into the rest of the reality of what
happened to her. And I know that you had quite
an intense reaction to reading us as well.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I felt the way she wrote this was so raw,
and obviously it's becoming more of a thing with substack,
but getting an insight into a celebrity's mindset when they
go through something like this that is quite public and
then they actually personally write this. I thought a lot
of empathy for her reading is. I know there is
a lot of context that goes into it with everything
you were saying, with the court case and all of that,
but just her talking about her own journey with this,
(26:05):
I mean, it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Would be incredibly hardh she's considered.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Such a breakthrough artist for bringing plus size visibility to
the mainstream pop space, and people do connect to you
and put a lot on you, and there is a
lot of resulting pressure. I mean, we've seen that kind
of thing with when Adele lost weight and when Rebel
Wilson lost weight. But just hearing her sort of talk
about I guess what motivated her to do it, and
then also the response that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
She's been getting. Yeah, it is quite hard to read
at times. Yeah, absolutely, So one part that.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I thought was really interesting in the way that she
explained it was that she sort of reframes losing weight
and she sort of calls it releasing, Like she talks
about how it's releasing this stored grief and experiences for her,
rather than sort of chasing this thin ideal body. So
she says in one part, after talking to a few therapists,
I discovered that my weight had been a protective shield,
(26:54):
a joyful comfort zone, and even sometimes a superhero suit
to protect me through life. My weight, like my hair,
represented time. It stored energy and I wanted to release
myself from it. So from that moment, any weight on
my physical body that was subtracted was not a pound lost,
but a pound released. It was energetic for me, not vain.
And I just thought that was quite interesting because she
(27:14):
has talked a lot about how since her father passed
away in two thousand and nine, she sort of had
a different relationship with food after that, had some relationships
that were quite deeply abusive and toxic. She was supporting
her family, there was a lot going on in her life,
and she sort of framed this as I just wanted
to let go of all of that, and this was
sort of a physical embodiment, and she's I don't think
(27:36):
she's saying that anyone going on a weight lost journey
this would be their reason. She's just saying for her,
that was the reason that she embarked on it, and
it's sort of what pushed her to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Absolutely, And that's always been the hard thing with Lizzo
is that so much when you sort of listen to
her backstory and how she blew up her career. She
just came into the scene being like like most people
who had that level of success, She's like, I just
wanted to sing and dance and be a performer. But
because she was the only plus sized pop star because
she's one of the few women of color and all
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these things, all of a sudden, when she had to
stand for everything, and she had to be the example,
and everything she did was magnified in this huge way,
which is what happens when you've only got one person
on the playing field representing all these things. All of
a sudden, it becomes everything about her from the moment
she stepped on the stage or her song's hit number one,
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everything about her was political in a way. Everything about
her was this huge statement, and I just think that
that feels like such a crushing thing that we, as
like a fandom and a society moved on quite quickly
from when things started coming out about her and when
she didn't suit this ideal of what we wanted her
to be.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And it's interesting that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
She talks to the fact that she says it was
never about being skinny, which sometimes I find when people
who have these very public talking about their bodies say
that can be hard because it's also like we never
allow people to speak freely, because I think if she
could speak completely freely with no caveats of people attacking
her for turning her back on the plus size community.
(29:04):
She could say like it was about losing weight yea,
And she does saying this piece that she knew realistically
she would never be like a thin woman. She's like,
that's not my body type, so I was never chasing that.
It's a much deeper situation than that. And she also
talks about the way that being shunned from the body
positive community and how that has kind of played out
(29:24):
in a really honest way, and saying that she was
never performative because it was just who she was being
on stage. And she also feels that because of the
lawsuit and because of the fact that she chose to
publicly talk about changing her body, that she lost everything
she was working for. And she's like, everything I had
(29:44):
done before higher black women who have larger bodies create
literal industries for plus sized dances and models and actresses,
was because I secretly. She now thinks that people think
that she secretly had hate for fat people. I liked
reading it because I thought it was she was talking
as honestly as she could being a famous person about
what had happened to her when the community of plus
(30:05):
size people kind of decided to disown her a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean, it really is one of those situations
where you're like, you're damned if you do your damn
if you don't, because if you don't do all these things,
people are like, well, you represent all these people. You
have this platform, have this opportunity, You need to be
giving it to other people, you need to be speaking
about it. But then when you do do it, you
do get accused of being performed in Yeah, and I
mean this applies to so many different things. Obviously not
just to do with weight or sizes or anything like that.
(30:28):
It happens when you're a person of color in an
area where there aren't many and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Things like that. But I just think, how can we
put all that on one first. I mean, really, it
is really happen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's a lot and I thought it was really interesting
when she brought up Jamila Jimil who's an actress and
an activist, because she talks out the fact that from
Lizzo's point of view, she was like, I don't want
to hide the fact that I'm trying to change my body,
and I know it's going to be a huge talking point,
So I'm just going to put all the photos out there.
I'm going to show everyone, and then she said, so
she did that, and then she was scrolling through social
(30:58):
media and she saw these posts from Jamila Jamil who
was talking about how damaging this big weight loss push
online was being, particularly from celebrities, and then she said
she saw this line from Jamila that really hit her
so hard, and it was something like, I can't believe
people are out there actually posting before and after photos.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And that was when Lizzo.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Was like, she said, that hit her so hard because
she had done that as her way of trying to
be transparent. And she talks in the substack about the
fact that she and Jamila have a really good relationship
and she respects her a lot, and she says something
which I also think is true, is like about Jamila,
Jamila is like, she's not just out there making the statements.
I feel like she's in the weeds doing the worst
a lot of the time in space. And so she's like,
(31:41):
I really respect her and we're good. But that hit
me so hard to see someone I admire so much
pointing out that something I had done would be so
harmful to people.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah, I think that is something that a few people
have commented on the before and after photos. There was
actually a comment on her substacker, really emotional, quite long
comment talking.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
About how well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
She basically says, given the opportunity to escape fatness, you
took it. It's so heartbreaking to realize that nobody wants
to look like me. And she sort of says, I
don't think it's your responsibility to stay how you were
before for me, but I think publicizing your intentional weight
loss feels like a betrayal to a lot of us,
And she says it is about looks, or you wouldn't
be posting before and after photos, which I don't necessarily
(32:21):
think is true. I think you can post before and
after photos, as you know, you were in a different
mental place, we're in a different place in life. But
there has been a very visceral reaction to people to
the whole before and after photos aspect of it, because
I guess a lot of people will remember growing up
and you do look at a lot of before and
after photos with you know, regards to different weight loss solutions,
and I think it can be triggering for a lot
of people. Yeah, and so I guess to see somebody
(32:44):
that you've put on this pedestal as not being in
that sort of space. To see that is a little
bit confronting and a bit like, oh okay, like we've
lost one of us.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The kind of mentality, not that I'm saying it should be, well.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, it shouldn't be. But again, it's that rule of one.
When there's only one person who's representing everything, when you
lose them, it hits you so much harder. Like that's
like when we saw Adele changing her body. It's not her,
but it hits you because you're like I looked at
that and I used to think like, oh, you can
have any type of body up on a stage being
the most loved singer in the world. And I think,
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like I did feel that a little bit with Liz ocause,
you know, you used to watch clips of her and
songs and see her like on that stage performing for
three hours, and the physical strength that takes to dance
and seeing on stage at that level like she was
doing is something that like athletes would aspire to. And
you see that and you're like, this is going to change.
Like I remember like watching her on stage and having
this thought of like this is going to change everything,
(33:39):
and then it hasn't, and we've regressed so much, which
is what she's saying in the sub stect We've regressed
so much that it now feels like this sad thing
instead of a positive thing. And I think that's okay
sometimes to feel a sense of betrayal. I definitely do
as someone who's a plus sized woman and who writes
a lot about this and is like very active in
this space, I think it's okay to feel a sense
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of betrayal not from the person but from the industry
and like also the fans who subconsciously demand this. But
I think that I almost thought a bigger sense of
portrayal when Serena Williams said that she was on weight
loss medication. Again not about her personally, and I know
that she's at the height of her career and still
got so much negative feedback about her body, and that
(34:22):
is a horrible thing to have decades of and eventually
that would take a toll on you. But I was
a bit like, this is the best athlete in the world,
Like this is the peak of physical perfection and strength,
and her body does things that other human bodies would
never be able to do, Like that is like the
pinnacle of success. And it still wasn't enough because she
wasn't small enough. Yeah, and now that she's getting smaller,
(34:45):
people are just like, there's there's a celebration over her
body finally being correct, And I'm like, it wasn't correct
when she was the greatest athlete in the world, Like
her body wasn't correct when she's the best singer in
the world. Like it just it just is like this
thing that hits you over the head, like it will
never matter what you do, what you say, what you achieve,
what your talent is, unless your body looks a certain way.
And I think that's what she's saying in this sub stack.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Yeah, And she's talked a lot about how, you know,
the body positivity community is sort of what gave her
her start and how she really cemented herself in this
whole celebrity world.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
But now it's just changed so much.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And she says, you know, once something becomes for everyone,
the people.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That it was originally created for are edged.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Out, oh one hundred percent. And I agree with her
so much, And I love that she wrote that in
a sub stack. I almost wish she would like shout
it from the rooftops louder, but I know she really can't.
It's even brave of her to say, this is like
the body positive movement came in, and it wasn't supposed
to be about even though this is obviously the right
thing to say. It wasn't supposed to be about everybody matters,
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because obviously it does. It was meant to be about
there is a group of marginalized people who don't get
to be on these stages, who don't have access to clothing,
who don't have access to healthcare, who don't get opportunities,
and let's find a way to bring them for it.
And over time, and like because of companies picking it
up and trying to monetize it or Instagram algorithms, it
(36:09):
got watered down to everything matters, and so that now
nothing matters. And she says that in the sub stack,
because she says, I think this is like one of
the best lines from what she said.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
She said.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So here we are halfway through the decade where extended
sizes are being magically erased from websites. Plus size models
are no longer getting booked for modeling gigs, and all
of our big girls are not so big anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, and that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Thing, it is true in if you went onto Instagram
now and clicked on a body positivity hashtag, I guarantee
would be mostly people who are under a size sixteen.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, posting and saying like, you know, sometimes I feel
bad about myself and it's okay, and again you can
think that, but you feeling bad about yourself is as
a separate issue that deserves a lot of attention, but
it's very separate to the world saying you can't live here,
and you can't be here, and you can't work here,
and you can't have clothed you kind of medical care.
(36:58):
That is very different to someone internally saying to themselves,
which again is a huge issue and is so important,
but conflating the two across popc to the way we
did has been super, super damaging.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
And the big difference there is what you think of
yourself versus what society thinks, so it's not being put
on you. And she talks about how, you know, being
a plus sized black woman in pop culture, the tropes
that she has had to come up against because it's
a bit of a double bind. Because she was like,
I needed to be overtly sexual when I'm performing. To
(37:30):
get away from this quote, unquote mammy trope, which is basically,
for anyone who doesn't know, it's a racist stereotype where
a black woman is sort of portrayed as like a
very loyal, nurturing care taker, almost asexual.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, and only exists to further the story of the
central white woman character pretty.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Much, yeah, all looking after like a white family or
the children in it. And she's like cheerful woman who's
like not portrayed in that sexy kind of way at all,
just sort of yeah, as you said, a side plot
to the white family's plot line, and she was like, well,
I was sick and tired of my identity being like that.
I had to actively work against those tropes by being
hyper sexual. But then on the flip side of that,
obviously you get backlash when you are you know, being quote.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Unquote too much or performative or things like that.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So those are just things that as someone in that
situation you do come up against, which is a whole
different ballgame to your own internal struggle your body age.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, that is such a true thing about the idea
of like having to be either hyper sexualized or like
feel like you have to dress yourself up a little
bit more, and like you hear that from plus size
women who work in the media space or performance or
actors that you always have to be that little kind
of cut above to cut through so that it doesn't
fall back on being about your body. I think this
stub sack be shared, but it hasn't blown up in
(38:44):
the way I think it should have blown up. Yeah,
and again, I'm not saying that every single thing Lizzo
does or says is right. That's not true of any person.
I think anytime she puts out something, it comes back
to that in a way that it wouldn't for someone
who wasn't a woman of color and pus size. The
idea that she's allowed to make mistakes but also speak
the truth and those two things can exist together. But
(39:04):
this hasn't born up the way it would have a
few years ago. And I think the really sad reality
of that is that media has moved past it, like
most mainstream media and women's media have moved past body
positivity and fat acceptance because it feels out of favor now.
It feels like it's not like the glamorous thing to
talk about, and I think everyone felt like they were
jumping on a bandwagon a few years ago. But now
(39:26):
like we see Runway, like she's saying in here when
she actually says like plus size clothes are disappearing from websites,
that's one hundred percent of true fact if you're looking
for them, they've like lines are disappearing. Media outlets don't
put plus sized women at the forefront the way that
were sort of trying to a few years ago. You
look at like movies and TV shows that are coming out,
there's no body diversity runway shows. If you look at
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like all the singers who are coming up through the ranks,
is like our new pop stars, no body diversity there.
Like it's just it's like we're like, oh, we tried
it for a second, and now it's gone. And I
think what Lizzo writes in the substack is that she
feels like she was a product of that. She feels
like the plus sized community lifted her up, and then
the world by extension lifted her up, and now she
feels like she's been forgotten because she was part of
(40:08):
a trend. And I know some people will say like,
oh no, no, we don't like her now because of the
allegations or because she changed her body and all those things,
and that's fair, but I don't think that's the reason
that people don't listen to her music as much anymore.
Like she released new music recently, I think it went okay,
but it didn't block the way it would have for
someone who was the biggest pop star in the world.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
She was so like yeah everywhere for a while there,
and it just doesn't feel that way now. And for
her it probably felt like at the time, You're part
of this really big movement and things are actually changing.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And now writing that.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
And reading that, I feel like she probably looks back
on it thinking maybe it was just a phase.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, well, she says in the sub stack, And I
think she takes responsibility, but in a way that I
found not satisfying of taking responsibility, but in a way
of like a sadness to it, because she writes that
she wants to win back the plus sized community because
they're her people. And I think she's acknowledging that she's
made some mistakes. Obviously she has, and there's things that
she could do better, like we all could. But I
also think that idea of her thinking that she was
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just a product of this moment and it's over and
she could maybe win back one small group of the
plast size community. But it's almost like in this subject,
there's this acceptance that she'll never win mainstream fans back
because such a sad.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Yeah, but then I see where she's coming from with
it. It does feel quite.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Real exactly, So I think, like, yeah, I think it's
like a lot of sadness there, but there's also like
that radical honesty that I really loved, and I think
that the thing to take away from it, and we'll
lincointernation show notes so you can read it in full,
because it's really worth reading the whole thing. I think
that there is like almost like a battle cry in
there of like this is happening, Like we're erasing these
people and these things, and what are we going to
do about it? So I don't think she was writing
(41:39):
it to be like feel bad for me or this
is an excuse. She was kind of saying like, hey,
this huge thing is happening, like we're erasing this whole
group of people from different parts of life essentially, and
what are we going to do about it?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And I feel like that should be the takeaway.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
And with the rise of a lot of these semi
glue tide products that people are on that can assist
you with weight loss, and just what we're seeing with
the changes in Hollywood, Like we've spoken about it on
the pod before, how the body representation seems to be
regressing quite a bit in Hollywood and with that rise
versem pic not really helping that. It is such a
topical thing for her to come out and say this.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Now, yeah, absolutely so yeah, such a good substack. We'll
link it in our show notes and I don't know
if ph'll have any sort of a ripple effect or change,
but I hope it does.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily
pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Broadneck and today I'm joined
by Manisha Sworn, the executive producer of The Spill. Found
her way into the hot seat. Have you buried EM's
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body anywhere.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And can't make it today? If I found covered.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've locked her up and it's me. I'm the star
you arrive. I'm just sitting here. I'm not gonna ask
any questions, just rolling. You're in the charge of making
me look good on this spot and how I sound
and everything, so I shouldn't play around with this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We don't know what's gonna happen now.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
If I have to sacrifice Em, who is safe, don't worry.
She's in posting up a storm on her Instagram today.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
She's in Perth. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
We can keep tabs on her pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But you are the producer of the show. You ducking
it out with your hot takes and your recommendations. You
hear to host today. I mean, if anyone wants to
know what it's really like hosting The Spill. The dirty
behind the scenes seat Chris, you could ask Mansia because
she's got it all.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Throw out the rundown. He's just doing a tell all.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm just doing a tell all. Yeah, what's the most
annoying thing about me being the hoes? Is it when
I complain about my hair, my boobs, my seat or
the headphones?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
So many that's the triage. I'd say, like, that's the
list of the top three. But no, yeah, if you
are a Broadney, oh that was.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The correct answer. So we're actually not here to talk
about my hair today, although we could that could be
a separate pod. We're actually here to talk about one
of the wildest late night interviews we have ever seen
from a celebrity. And that's all I'm gonna say, because
I am still doubting if this is even real or
if I just had a weird fever dream and created
it in my head. Plus, Lizzo has written an incredibly
(01:46):
honest and very vulnerable substack about her cancelation and her
weight loss and her fame. We're going to delve into
that because it is truly one of the most honest
pieces of writing I've ever seen from a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
There's some wild stuff in.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
There, but first, we have a national victory to talk about,
we do.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I guess this is how people feel when someone from
their country winds an Olympic at all. Yeah, it's akin
to that, which does happen to us Astraia a lot famously.
But I mean, for me, Dancing with the Stars probably
sits above that does say and our beautiful, beautiful national
treasure wildlife conservationist Robert Irwin has shimmied his way to
Mirrorble fame with his dance partner Whitney Carson, who I
(02:26):
also love, and I think she's done a brilliant job
this season. And it's ten years after his sister Bindi
won the same title, so that is so adorable for
their family.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, she was in the audience with Terry and her
husband and everything.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They were cheering. It was very very cute.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, And I think it just goes to show well,
so lovely seeing them in the audience and seeing their
reaction to when they found out rob one. They just
looked so genuinely delighted and she ran over and like
hugged him, And they're just great performers in that family.
Like I mean watching him throughout this season, the way
he lights up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The Irwin fangirl, it's crazy, Like your face is a
glow right now, and talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Him, I've come to life because you have like it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
You know him?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh yeah, we got time to fight. Yeah we hang out. No,
he didn't invite me to before, but I did.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Used to work at the Project and he was quite
a regular panelist on the project. He's obviously in the
Network ten family, I'm a celeb and all of that,
and I think he's just done. I mean, I think
he's a lovely, lovely man, and you would have spoken
to him. I know everyone who's interviewed him.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, but you've been in meetings with him and stuff,
and what can you tell. I'm not me trying to
get you to cancel Robert Irwin, but like now would
be the time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, quite the opposite.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I couldn't even say anything cancellable about him because he
is exactly how he is on air, that is how he.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is off it I'm talking about. He definitely would not
remember me, But I'm like.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Rob we did work together, yeah, capacity, But he's lovely
behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So lovely, very I think he still has that sort
of TV presenter energy that him and Bindi do carry
that people sometimes think is not authentic, but I'm like,
we have to remember these kids grew up in front
of the camera, like.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, they're used to being on and being polite and
people stopping them since they are little kids and everything.
It's so funny. Whenever I'm overseas, people like, oh, you're
from Australia. I'm like, yes, and especially now, like recently
when I was overseas, the first thing people say to
me is like, oh, my god, you know that Irwin's
Do you know Bindi and Robert Irwin? And like, I
mean most people would be able to say that, Thank god,
I can say, like I've met them both a few
times and they're super lovely, But like that is the
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first thing that Australians get asked.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now, I feel, yeah, if you don't know the are
you actually from Austria.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But they're like, surely you guys know each other, like
you will hang out and stuff, And I was like, yeah,
there's a clubhouse all Australians hang out together.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
We have dinner.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So yeah. So he won the Mirror Ball Trophy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It was like a huge season, like this is one
of the biggest seasons, Like Dancing the Stars has been
on the air in America for over thirty years now,
but this season is like really took off on TikTok
and had these crazy fandoms, and I think Robert was
always one of the clear winners all the way through.
So when it was announced he won, and that was
really exciting and it was all like, you know, confetti
and everything. But there was a little side story that's
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been happening that we want to talk about, and that
is his alleged which I think is real, very famous
new girlfriend that he met on the show, and we
got to watch their chemistry. You love chemistry. You got
to watch their chemistry live on the show for the
first time.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, she came on because there was this twentieth birthday
celebration Dancing with the Stars, so they brought a lot
of the old winners and so she actually won in
twenty twenty three. Her partner was Val Chmerkovsky. If you
guys aren't inter Dancing with the Stars law, the Chmerkovsky brothers.
They are two well the older one doesn't do it anymore,
but they're two of.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
The pro dancers.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it there, but they do
a deep dive if you want to.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So this girl came on. Her name is Zochi Gomez.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You probably know her from the Marvel Cinematic Universe film
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. She was also
Dawn Schaeffer in the Netflix series The Babysitters.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She was so good in that I've been obsessed with
her since then because yes, I obviously watched that in
as adult.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, No, I love this girl. That was my inn
when her season of Dancing with Stars. That was my
inn for the show before this season with like Robert Irwin,
because I loved her from a Babysitters Club. I loved
her from Marvel and all her interviews and how like
well spoken, sweet and funny she was. And I mean,
I know they all go really hard in Dancing with
the Stars, but I just got really swept up in
all the videos of her like doing her training and
(06:02):
like learning to dance, and she would get so emotional.
She just like very grew herself into it. Yeah, and
when she won, it was a huge thing. So when
she came back to meet Robert, I think it was
like it feels like it was like a script from
a movie.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I know, it just feels meant to be. So she
comes back. They do this twentieth birthday celebration.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
They danced to Dance with Me Tonight by Olimers, which
is such a cute song.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They do a little give to it. The chemistry is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Popp And that was the moment from when those clips
started surfacing of Zochi and Robert dancing together and they're
like they're little hug afterwards and how they walked off,
people were like, oh my god, they're in love, and
we watched them fall in love in that dance.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Well, see, I wasn't initially on board with it because
I've been gas lit by Dancing with the Stars before.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I always think they're and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You're like, oh my god, I've got some competition. Yeah,
take this girl down. What is she nineteen from?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I'm not gonna comment, but with Dancing with the Stars,
they always do this thing where like they try and
drum it up, But in their case, it wasn't a
narrative that was I think.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They were trying to drum up because they weren't paired together.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It was meant to be, just like they're matching up
past winners, and it's a whole thing of them coming back,
which was a huge, like extra rating thing. And I
think they just pay them together because they're so similar
age that it just made sense that they would dance together.
But they didn't need to make a narrative, was what
I'm saying. Like, people just watch them dance together, and
they were all in we did it ourselves, so hungry
for chemistry.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They look like a.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Little Disney couple because he's so expressive and she's so expressive,
and I feel like they would I mean, I don't
want to put this on them, but I think they
have a lot in common in you know, growing up
sort of in the industry and be able to trade
a lot of stories.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There were not putting any pressure on them, so it
wasn't just that moment. So they met, and also she
was in like the rehearsal room with him, so we
had all that footage. And then they were spotted together
like with other people after that event, so people were like,
oh my god, they're dating, They're going out together.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They're just trying to hide it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But then she was at the finale and after it
was announced that he had won and people were congratulating him.
There's footage of her running across the floor through the crowd.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
They have this really long hug. You look, we're about
to cry.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know if you're friends.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Oh okay again allegedly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Allegedly they had this beautiful long hug and then he
kind of whispers in her I'll see you soon, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
A man written by creepy right now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, she also brought him flowers, which you know, women
don't get men flowers enough.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sometimes men want flowers.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
She got him flowers before the finale, and then after
he won.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
She also put up on.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Her instant stories, I'm so incredibly proud of you too,
what a season?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, I mean she said you too.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Say yeah, because she's trying with the dance partner as well.
But we'll just push that aside because it doesn't fit
the narrative that I'm trying to put out there, which
is that they've fallen madly in love. When he said
to her, i'll see you soon. There is an after
party that they were all going to, so I'm sure
that's what it meant.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
And if they hadn't already kissed, they'll kiss at the
after party.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm sure, yeah, okay, allegedly allegedly imagine if this is
all we got soup for.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
But I think The Thing with the Stars is really
one of those shows where it is quite a good
place to meet someone.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
There's a lot of emotions going on.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
She would have seen all the raps about you know,
him and his dad, and probably like learned a lot
about him at the way.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because you're taking this, you learn a lot about the contestant.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, Well, so I don't know, I could see it
being prime setting.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
For Yeah, I would actually, And he's talked about, you know,
he broke up with his other girlfriend a while ago.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He said he was just focusing on dance. But now
that's over.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do think Robert Erwin has a very famous new girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
That's just what.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They're not looking. That's when they come. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So this week one of my favorite oddball actresses, Kate Beckhamsale,
went on the Jimmy Fallon Show, and she told a
story that I still am not one hundred percent sure
that I didn't somehow make up in my head, although
even the depths of my imagination wouldn't have stretched to this,
and I can't even usually on the spill I'll just
explain most of it in paraphrase. I cannot paraphrases. I
(09:47):
cannot explain it. So here is the clip.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He laid two eggs in a week, is what the
bright spot was.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who did the boyfriend did?
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He's a Jew from New Jersey and I thought possibly
it was that, But I haven't met any of the
Jews from New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You've done that?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Could we rewind for just a moment, What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
He's laid too eggs in a week?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, he said, I've laid an egg, and of course
I was like, okay, trying to pull focus on the
cancer operation, you know, But it had a shell and a.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yoke, and the egg came out of his body.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Yes, I'm not out of his mouth or ears. It
came out the root. Did it would come out of
the hen. He came out of his egg hole, not
his vagina. I mean he went to the bathroom and
then was very surprised to find that he had he
had laid an egg. So the first time it happened,
he was he was genuinely scared and he you know,
he was like, it's got a full shell, it's got
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a yolk, and you know, it's the size of a bird.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, heed it.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yes, he crushed it because he was inside a yolk
was inside like a hard boiled one too, so it
just kind of cooked inside him.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, well, boyfriend's laiden egg. Whatever.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And then a week later and I get a text going,
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, he's
done it again, and now he's really freaking out. His
dad came up with this theory very quickly, like, oh,
you were probably on the toilet and the window was
open and there was a net outside, and the egg
went in your And I was like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You're very quick with this.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
You clearly are putting eggs up your son's butt in
the night. Do you are you putting eggs upt your bottom?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know? Like, and it's a fair question.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think it's quite hard to put an egg up
your bottom and then get it out whole without injuring
the egg.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean, I think that's a skill. Tell me that's
not the world.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I texted all these doctors that I know, and then
they texted everyone they were ever at medical school with,
so the whole of America was involved.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And well, someone said, has he had a light chi
and he hadn't.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Have you been taking any kind of sleep medications which
would involve you perhaps, you know when you like take
an ambient and then eat the whole fridge. Have you
taken something just shoving? Yeah, No, he hadn't. So it's
my favorite thing he's ever done. And I really like
him anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I just I don't even know well, I mean, the
first part of my mind is like she's joking, but.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It's a weird joke.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Just the thing is, it's a it's a flat out lie. Yeah,
unless she believes, maybe she believes.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I actually believe.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I believe that Kate Beckhacell believes that her daughter's boyfriend
did lay two eggs.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
There was just a lot to unpack there. And I'm
assuming that her daughter and the boyfriend gave permission for
this story to be told. If not, he's getting some
uncomfortable text messages and phone calls today. So her daughter
is Lily mo Sheen, her daughter with actor Michael Sheen.
I think she's a college now, so she's becoming an
actress now too, And she's always in instagrams and stuff
with her mom, like like they seem to have a
(12:45):
very fun mother daughter. Like out in the world Gilmore
girls s sometimes like relationship. So I'm assuming that she
said it was okay for a mom to go on
international TV and tell this story, which has now gone viral.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
The path that really got me was that she starts
telling it and then she goes so the first time
it happened, it kept.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Like he just regularly does this.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was don't tell people in the office about this. Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was really walking up to people and being like,
I have to tell you something, and I don't think
anyone was having the correct reaction. They were just like, oh, yeah,
I did say that, and I no, no, no, it's
not about seeing it. It's about like talking about what
happened and the fact that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You're like, we need to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, I'm invested.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I would to be on the text chain with the doctors,
know what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I'm like, I have to assume, as you said, she's
gotten permission to talk about this, because if it wasn't
a joke and this was actually happening, that would be
a deeply concerning medical issue.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I hope that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Boy is in an icee you somewhere because it also
it's the detail she is saying, like, oh, I was worried,
but she's also saying it a bit too matter of
factly for me for me to think it's a real thing.
And the fact that she's like it had a shell,
we cut it open and it was a line.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
There was a yoke, It was yokeless. We wouldn't even
be talking about it on the pod.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But given the fact the words there was a yog
haught me to my dying day.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And also she said it was like hard boiled. She
was like, did that like manufacture inside of him?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's just so visual questions.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I mean, look, this is not a medical podcast, but
I'm gonna say I did look it up and no,
humans can't lay a full egg with a yolk in it.
So if that happens to you, please see urgent medical Attention.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, all the comments I was going through, like the
and the people were deeply concerns, like it did not
register as a joke for most of you. But people
can have kidney stones question mark, and I'm like, you.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Can't usually even see it. I've heard they hurt like
a bitch coming out, but they're shiny. They're not a
fully formed egg with a yolk.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Also, if I laid an egg and I talked about
that at family dinner, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Move off that topic. Yeah, this is an ongoing thing.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I wouldn't be having the conversation at family dinner. We'd
be having that in an emergency room because I wouldn't
leave until I found the root cause of why I
had laid that egg.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Two eggs, not one, but two. That's where it gets one.
You write it off. I don't write off things happen
you grow with.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
If you lay an egg, please don't write it off.
Seek medical attention.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I think i'd wait for the second.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's a bad advice.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Egg to the that's the teaching.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
It could be the raw.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Let's put that in the skill like bylaws or something
like you go to the doctor. So here's the thing.
When I saw this, I had a lot of thoughts
about yolks and eggs and whatnot. But then my second
thought about this that I've been thinking about NonStop since
I saw it yesterday. My second thought is, I think
we are putting too much pressure on celebrities to go
on late night talk shows and do a bit and
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tell a funny story. It is now escalated to the
point where beloved British actress Kate beckhamsale really believe. I
think she believes it, believes that her daughter's boyfriend laid
an egg. Because you know what's like you hear celebrities
talk about the anxiety and the stress they feel, Like
I feel like some celebrities have more anxiety about going
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on a late night talk show than they often do
about like how they roll in a movie will be received,
or how they'll do on a red carp or anything
like that, because those slots, like they know that that's
a huge part of their promo tourre it gets watched
by millions of people, the clips go viral. But also
like there's this whole thing of like you want to
be a good guest and like you want to have
a good bit and being entertainer. So we know that
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produce uses from these shows call up the celebrities well
in advance and they ask them all these questions and
they mind them for stories. And Christen Bell even talks
about it a lot, like that's her biggest thing of
like I've got to tell a good story, I've got
to do a bid good bit.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
What can I do?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then like that becomes this huge stress and then
they go and put on this big performance.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So I wonder if that pressure.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Has like escalated, like you know, like you used to
do that, right, used to.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Tell people a really bad thing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You used to do that, right, you'll tell make people
think they laid eggs.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Not quite that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
But I was a TV producer before this, and there
is a lot of that pre production stuff that does happen,
and before I worked in that role, just as a viewer,
I don't think I realized how much goes into manufacturing
those moments, like no one's just coming up with.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That egg store, because they make it look because the
host always acts like they're just hearing it. This is
the first time that came up really organically. So they'll
just wander out like celebrity will wander outs on the
chair and they'll be like, what have you been up
too recently? And they'll be like, oh my god, crazy
other day, I got stuck in an elevator and the
host pretends not to know, but they do know, they
definitely know, And the sleds usually practice like they I've
heard felebs say this. They practice it to get the
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telling and the beats right.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, and you're not walking into an interview if you're
a celebrity of any level without like your prs looked
over all the points.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They've looked over all the points. Multiple people have signed
off on this.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
There's usually depending on the level of celebrity, you'll either
talk to them or you'll talk to the person handling them. Yeah,
And a lot of the times because obviously, when you're
doing interviews like that, you're coming on to promote book,
you're coming on to promoter movie, a song, whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's not what the interviewer wants to talk.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
To you about.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
That's the reason you're there, so we can ask you
the funny, weird things or who your celebrity best friend
is or who you're kissing at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's the stuff that you want.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So a lot of the time, the production person or whatever,
we're trawling the internet looking through their social media looking
for any little clues they could give you an idea
of a weird, quirky story or what that moment of
the interview is gonna be that's gonna go viral, or
that everyone's going to talk about because it's not going
to be then plugging the menu book.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The interesting thing about this is that
Jimmy Fallon did look. I actually believe he's genuinely shocked
in this slip because I'm assuming that he got his
run shot of his guests and who they're talking about,
and they said, Kate beckhamsale funny egg story. Kate's on
that show a lot, she tells funny stories. He was
probably like, oh, yeah, this will like whatever Kate wants
to say will be great. And then she came out
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with that and he's like, I just.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Don't know it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Just so the thing is like there's so many stories
that you can just tell if it's a joke or
like they've punched it up, but I just there's no
punchline to this.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It just like on. She just goes on and on
like she believes it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And then she's like, yeah, it's a real medical situation,
like he's quite worried about it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And then like they just go to commercial break.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
And she shows them the photo. She's like the and
they're all looking at it. I know all that that
I can't look at that photo was so intense.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I reckon.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The production team would have obviously found out about this
been like, we are sitting on a gold mine, like this.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Egg story, give her extra time, and they.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Would have intentionally held that back from him and been like,
we want an organic, genuine reaction, cause people do that
all the time, Like you want the actual first reaction
on the show.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So may questions.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The thing is like, though we know Kate beckhamsale like
I was saying before, when you look at her, she
looks like this classical English rose actress, and so many
people grow up watching her in like Pearl Harbor was
her really big first breakout role, like I love her
and Sarah and Dippity and Van Helsing and all these movies.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And but over the years she has.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Really put herself out there as like a prankster and
like a funny storyteller. And I wonder if this is
just a weird escalation of that, because I know she's
like she travels with a weird horse costume in her
suitcase that she'll often put on to prank people. And
then it's a two parter is so sometimes someone else
could get in the back, and like that's her life.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And she's also not conventional for my trouble with a
horse costume.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There is this whole thing about like a rabbit being sent
to her house that she was saying she know where
it was. She tells wild stories, like I.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Wonder it's one of those things where she's such a beautiful,
successful woman and she's like, I've got to have some quirks.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I've got to like manufacture some quirks.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think sometimes some people go through life being so
beautiful and loved that there's no there's no filter on them.
Like she she just so used to them to say
whatever she wants and do whatever she wants and be
like this crazy quirky person. Anyone else would be like
shunned from society. But everyone's like, oh Kate.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, maybe she specialized that anyone would think badly of her.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Well, I was actually talking in like a girl's group
chat about this clips.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And you were about to talk about it about the egg.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And someone was saying to me, and I think this
is true because everything now, as we're saying, it's like
a viral clip factory, and we're trying to get more
and more outrageous. So to be outrageous, you have to
be really outrageous. So much out there, but we were
actually saying, maybe now we'll do a loop back and
what's going to cut through. We'll just be going back
to the normal things of like you know, so, how
is it on set? Just craving a bit of normalcy
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and something you don't have to watch three times to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So maybe we'll go back to being a little bit
more normaly.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe this has ended the great like late
night talk show kind of shoos spic cycle.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, this is the egg story is the end.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I think a human male laying two yolk filled eggs
is enough to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
He did not lay those eggs.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I mean I wanted to see a I don't want
to see it, but like I will believe it if
I see a video of the egg coming out of him,
not him and the egg later.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I literally need to see.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
The coming out.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I really don't know how we're going to set that up,
but I want the answer to this more than anything
else in the world. I want this more. I don't
care about the moon landing. I don't care what happened
between Meghan and Harry and the royal family or any
other contents and carry class, and that's not my business.
I care do this man lay an egg and someone
tell me?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But if we see it, I'll just think it's AI generated.
I know, I won't believe. I think I need to
see it live.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So we need to get First of all, we need
to befriend the Beckham Sale family and by extension, the
boyfriend didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I think you're very well connected.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Maybe maybe Kate would actually appreciate the honesty. And I
was like, we just want to be involved in the process. Yeah,
and maybe like all the you can give me why, Yeah,
we fly ourselves to she lives in La.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Tas deductible because it's for work.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yea, No, work's paying for it. We're not buying our
own egg ticquets to do this recreationally. And this is
what And then we I guess we spend a lot
of time with this man.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
How much time do we have to spend?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well watch the egg coming out?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Well, it sounds like it's pretty regular, like we might
just to go to dinner and then afterwards be like, shoot,
go back for a drink, and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Then I mean this would have to and then we
make an investigative podcast just off this because you have
to be like naked. It's getting weird, but like, how
do we feel the past weird?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like in twenty minutes ago?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, anyway, So what's so the teaching here is.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That I'm gonna keep an eye on this and I'm
gonna try and figure out if there's any news on
the egg front, will let spillers know. But I think
the big takeaway is that potentially, yeah, the late night
talk show, the pressure on sleds too much, we broke.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Them getting out of hands. Let's just talk about what
happens in movies.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Stick to that.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
So.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I know, just last week, Emily and I were saying
that celebrities shouldn't be on substack because they've got all
their other platforms to use. But I'm gonna make a
special exception in this case because I read a new
substack written by Lizzo a couple of days ago when
she posted it, and I cannot stop thinking about it,
and I think it's really important to discuss. So the
title of this substack that she wrote is why is
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everybody losing weight? And what do we do? Sincerely a
person who's lost weight? So Lizo very publicly has been
on a bit of a saying, like weight loss journey,
she's been very open to the fact that she's been
trying to lose weight, and she's talked about different exercise
regimes that she's done and what she's been eating. She's
posted before and after picks along the way to her fans,
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which she addresses the sort of backlash around that and
this piece. So I was really interested to read a
long form piece sort of completely in her words, talking
about something that she's received a lot of backlash for
over the years. So she starts off by saying I
started losing weight in the fall of twenty twenty three,
and then she goes on talk about that she was
severely depressed, and then she says I had been the
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subject of a vicious scandal and it felt like the
whole world turned its back on me. She goes on
to say that she was then having suicidal thoughts, she
couldn't trust anyone, she felt like the world was kicking
her when she was down. Also, this is like really
confronting to read. She's like, I knew my fifteen minutes
of fame were over, which is so crazy to think about.
Like her being the biggest and most beloved pop star
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in the world for quite a while there, sitting at
home and being like this is over. And then she
talked about wanting to turn this position that she was
in into power and how she would kind of do
that by changing her body and controlling what she was eating.
And so when she's talking about the scandal there, I mean,
there are a few different things to do with her
body and everything, but the biggest one that she was
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accused of multiple people that she worked with, so dancers
and a stylist, of harassment in the workplace. There were
allegations of sexual harassment and racial harassment, and the lawsuits
were made public about this hostile work environment that was created,
and there was a lot of allegations in there about
things that her dancers said that she made them do,
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like taking them to sex clubs and forcing them to
do different things, saying the toxic work environment was about,
like not letting them have breaks they felt too scared
to go the bathroom. These are all the allegations that
were in the legal documents. So those lawsuits now have
been dismissed, although there is still people who were pursuing
legal action. Again Lozo's actual companies with the company itself
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but that really just had a huge domino effect on
her entire business, on her music, and on her career,
and sort of setting that aside. Because the case was dismissed,
allegations on both sides, dances are still sort of saying
that what they said was correct. Lizzo has denied all
the allegations all the way through, so we don't know
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what's happened there. But when she says crisis at the
top of the subtect, that's what she's talking about, and
then goes into the rest of the reality of what
happened to her. And I know that you had quite
an intense reaction to reading us as well.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I felt the way she wrote this was so raw,
and obviously it's becoming more of a thing with substack,
but getting an insight into a celebrity's mindset when they
go through something like this that is quite public and
then they actually personally write this. I thought a lot
of empathy for her reading is. I know there is
a lot of context that goes into it with everything
you were saying, with the court case and all of that,
but just her talking about her own journey with this,
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I mean, it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Would be incredibly hardh she's considered.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Such a breakthrough artist for bringing plus size visibility to
the mainstream pop space, and people do connect to you
and put a lot on you, and there is a
lot of resulting pressure. I mean, we've seen that kind
of thing with when Adele lost weight and when Rebel
Wilson lost weight. But just hearing her sort of talk
about I guess what motivated her to do it, and
then also the response that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
She's been getting. Yeah, it is quite hard to read
at times. Yeah, absolutely, So one part that.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I thought was really interesting in the way that she
explained it was that she sort of reframes losing weight
and she sort of calls it releasing, Like she talks
about how it's releasing this stored grief and experiences for her,
rather than sort of chasing this thin ideal body. So
she says in one part, after talking to a few therapists,
I discovered that my weight had been a protective shield,
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a joyful comfort zone, and even sometimes a superhero suit
to protect me through life. My weight, like my hair,
represented time. It stored energy and I wanted to release
myself from it. So from that moment, any weight on
my physical body that was subtracted was not a pound lost,
but a pound released. It was energetic for me, not vain.
And I just thought that was quite interesting because she
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has talked a lot about how since her father passed
away in two thousand and nine, she sort of had
a different relationship with food after that, had some relationships
that were quite deeply abusive and toxic. She was supporting
her family, there was a lot going on in her life,
and she sort of framed this as I just wanted
to let go of all of that, and this was
sort of a physical embodiment, and she's I don't think
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she's saying that anyone going on a weight lost journey
this would be their reason. She's just saying for her,
that was the reason that she embarked on it, and
it's sort of what pushed her to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Absolutely, And that's always been the hard thing with Lizzo
is that so much when you sort of listen to
her backstory and how she blew up her career. She
just came into the scene being like like most people
who had that level of success, She's like, I just
wanted to sing and dance and be a performer. But
because she was the only plus sized pop star because
she's one of the few women of color and all
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these things, all of a sudden, when she had to
stand for everything, and she had to be the example,
and everything she did was magnified in this huge way,
which is what happens when you've only got one person
on the playing field representing all these things. All of
a sudden, it becomes everything about her from the moment
she stepped on the stage or her song's hit number one,
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everything about her was political in a way. Everything about
her was this huge statement, and I just think that
that feels like such a crushing thing that we, as
like a fandom and a society moved on quite quickly
from when things started coming out about her and when
she didn't suit this ideal of what we wanted her
to be.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And it's interesting that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
She talks to the fact that she says it was
never about being skinny, which sometimes I find when people
who have these very public talking about their bodies say
that can be hard because it's also like we never
allow people to speak freely, because I think if she
could speak completely freely with no caveats of people attacking
her for turning her back on the plus size community.
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She could say like it was about losing weight yea,
And she does saying this piece that she knew realistically
she would never be like a thin woman. She's like,
that's not my body type, so I was never chasing that.
It's a much deeper situation than that. And she also
talks about the way that being shunned from the body
positive community and how that has kind of played out
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in a really honest way, and saying that she was
never performative because it was just who she was being
on stage. And she also feels that because of the
lawsuit and because of the fact that she chose to
publicly talk about changing her body, that she lost everything
she was working for. And she's like, everything I had
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done before higher black women who have larger bodies create
literal industries for plus sized dances and models and actresses,
was because I secretly. She now thinks that people think
that she secretly had hate for fat people. I liked
reading it because I thought it was she was talking
as honestly as she could being a famous person about
what had happened to her when the community of plus
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size people kind of decided to disown her a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean, it really is one of those situations
where you're like, you're damned if you do your damn
if you don't, because if you don't do all these things,
people are like, well, you represent all these people. You
have this platform, have this opportunity, You need to be
giving it to other people, you need to be speaking
about it. But then when you do do it, you
do get accused of being performed in Yeah, and I
mean this applies to so many different things. Obviously not
just to do with weight or sizes or anything like that.
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It happens when you're a person of color in an
area where there aren't many and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Things like that. But I just think, how can we
put all that on one first. I mean, really, it
is really happen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's a lot and I thought it was really interesting
when she brought up Jamila Jimil who's an actress and
an activist, because she talks out the fact that from
Lizzo's point of view, she was like, I don't want
to hide the fact that I'm trying to change my body,
and I know it's going to be a huge talking point,
So I'm just going to put all the photos out there.
I'm going to show everyone, and then she said, so
she did that, and then she was scrolling through social
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media and she saw these posts from Jamila Jamil who
was talking about how damaging this big weight loss push
online was being, particularly from celebrities, and then she said
she saw this line from Jamila that really hit her
so hard, and it was something like, I can't believe
people are out there actually posting before and after photos.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And that was when Lizzo.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Was like, she said, that hit her so hard because
she had done that as her way of trying to
be transparent. And she talks in the substack about the
fact that she and Jamila have a really good relationship
and she respects her a lot, and she says something
which I also think is true, is like about Jamila,
Jamila is like, she's not just out there making the statements.
I feel like she's in the weeds doing the worst
a lot of the time in space. And so she's like,
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I really respect her and we're good. But that hit
me so hard to see someone I admire so much
pointing out that something I had done would be so
harmful to people.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah, I think that is something that a few people
have commented on the before and after photos. There was
actually a comment on her substacker, really emotional, quite long
comment talking.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
About how well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
She basically says, given the opportunity to escape fatness, you
took it. It's so heartbreaking to realize that nobody wants
to look like me. And she sort of says, I
don't think it's your responsibility to stay how you were
before for me, but I think publicizing your intentional weight
loss feels like a betrayal to a lot of us,
And she says it is about looks, or you wouldn't
be posting before and after photos, which I don't necessarily
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think is true. I think you can post before and
after photos, as you know, you were in a different
mental place, we're in a different place in life. But
there has been a very visceral reaction to people to
the whole before and after photos aspect of it, because
I guess a lot of people will remember growing up
and you do look at a lot of before and
after photos with you know, regards to different weight loss solutions,
and I think it can be triggering for a lot
of people. Yeah, and so I guess to see somebody
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that you've put on this pedestal as not being in
that sort of space. To see that is a little
bit confronting and a bit like, oh okay, like we've
lost one of us.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The kind of mentality, not that I'm saying it should be, well.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, it shouldn't be. But again, it's that rule of one.
When there's only one person who's representing everything, when you
lose them, it hits you so much harder. Like that's
like when we saw Adele changing her body. It's not her,
but it hits you because you're like I looked at
that and I used to think like, oh, you can
have any type of body up on a stage being
the most loved singer in the world. And I think,
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like I did feel that a little bit with Liz ocause,
you know, you used to watch clips of her and
songs and see her like on that stage performing for
three hours, and the physical strength that takes to dance
and seeing on stage at that level like she was
doing is something that like athletes would aspire to. And
you see that and you're like, this is going to change.
Like I remember like watching her on stage and having
this thought of like this is going to change everything,
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and then it hasn't, and we've regressed so much, which
is what she's saying in the sub stect We've regressed
so much that it now feels like this sad thing
instead of a positive thing. And I think that's okay
sometimes to feel a sense of betrayal. I definitely do
as someone who's a plus sized woman and who writes
a lot about this and is like very active in
this space, I think it's okay to feel a sense
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of betrayal not from the person but from the industry
and like also the fans who subconsciously demand this. But
I think that I almost thought a bigger sense of
portrayal when Serena Williams said that she was on weight
loss medication. Again not about her personally, and I know
that she's at the height of her career and still
got so much negative feedback about her body, and that
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is a horrible thing to have decades of and eventually
that would take a toll on you. But I was
a bit like, this is the best athlete in the world,
Like this is the peak of physical perfection and strength,
and her body does things that other human bodies would
never be able to do, Like that is like the
pinnacle of success. And it still wasn't enough because she
wasn't small enough. Yeah, and now that she's getting smaller,
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people are just like, there's there's a celebration over her
body finally being correct, And I'm like, it wasn't correct
when she was the greatest athlete in the world, Like
her body wasn't correct when she's the best singer in
the world. Like it just it just is like this
thing that hits you over the head, like it will
never matter what you do, what you say, what you achieve,
what your talent is, unless your body looks a certain way.
And I think that's what she's saying in this sub stack.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Yeah, And she's talked a lot about how, you know,
the body positivity community is sort of what gave her
her start and how she really cemented herself in this
whole celebrity world.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
But now it's just changed so much.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And she says, you know, once something becomes for everyone,
the people.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That it was originally created for are edged.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Out, oh one hundred percent. And I agree with her
so much, And I love that she wrote that in
a sub stack. I almost wish she would like shout
it from the rooftops louder, but I know she really can't.
It's even brave of her to say, this is like
the body positive movement came in, and it wasn't supposed
to be about even though this is obviously the right
thing to say. It wasn't supposed to be about everybody matters,
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because obviously it does. It was meant to be about
there is a group of marginalized people who don't get
to be on these stages, who don't have access to clothing,
who don't have access to healthcare, who don't get opportunities,
and let's find a way to bring them for it.
And over time, and like because of companies picking it
up and trying to monetize it or Instagram algorithms, it
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got watered down to everything matters, and so that now
nothing matters. And she says that in the sub stack,
because she says, I think this is like one of
the best lines from what she said.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
She said.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So here we are halfway through the decade where extended
sizes are being magically erased from websites. Plus size models
are no longer getting booked for modeling gigs, and all
of our big girls are not so big anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, and that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Thing, it is true in if you went onto Instagram
now and clicked on a body positivity hashtag, I guarantee
would be mostly people who are under a size sixteen.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, posting and saying like, you know, sometimes I feel
bad about myself and it's okay, and again you can
think that, but you feeling bad about yourself is as
a separate issue that deserves a lot of attention, but
it's very separate to the world saying you can't live here,
and you can't be here, and you can't work here,
and you can't have clothed you kind of medical care.
(36:58):
That is very different to someone internally saying to themselves,
which again is a huge issue and is so important,
but conflating the two across popc to the way we
did has been super, super damaging.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
And the big difference there is what you think of
yourself versus what society thinks, so it's not being put
on you. And she talks about how, you know, being
a plus sized black woman in pop culture, the tropes
that she has had to come up against because it's
a bit of a double bind. Because she was like,
I needed to be overtly sexual when I'm performing. To
(37:30):
get away from this quote, unquote mammy trope, which is basically,
for anyone who doesn't know, it's a racist stereotype where
a black woman is sort of portrayed as like a
very loyal, nurturing care taker, almost asexual.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, and only exists to further the story of the
central white woman character pretty.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Much, yeah, all looking after like a white family or
the children in it. And she's like cheerful woman who's
like not portrayed in that sexy kind of way at all,
just sort of yeah, as you said, a side plot
to the white family's plot line, and she was like, well,
I was sick and tired of my identity being like that.
I had to actively work against those tropes by being
hyper sexual. But then on the flip side of that,
obviously you get backlash when you are you know, being quote.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Unquote too much or performative or things like that.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So those are just things that as someone in that
situation you do come up against, which is a whole
different ballgame to your own internal struggle your body age.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, that is such a true thing about the idea
of like having to be either hyper sexualized or like
feel like you have to dress yourself up a little
bit more, and like you hear that from plus size
women who work in the media space or performance or
actors that you always have to be that little kind
of cut above to cut through so that it doesn't
fall back on being about your body. I think this
stub sack be shared, but it hasn't blown up in
(38:44):
the way I think it should have blown up. Yeah,
and again, I'm not saying that every single thing Lizzo
does or says is right. That's not true of any person.
I think anytime she puts out something, it comes back
to that in a way that it wouldn't for someone
who wasn't a woman of color and pus size. The
idea that she's allowed to make mistakes but also speak
the truth and those two things can exist together. But
(39:04):
this hasn't born up the way it would have a
few years ago. And I think the really sad reality
of that is that media has moved past it, like
most mainstream media and women's media have moved past body
positivity and fat acceptance because it feels out of favor now.
It feels like it's not like the glamorous thing to
talk about, and I think everyone felt like they were
jumping on a bandwagon a few years ago. But now
(39:26):
like we see Runway, like she's saying in here when
she actually says like plus size clothes are disappearing from websites,
that's one hundred percent of true fact if you're looking
for them, they've like lines are disappearing. Media outlets don't
put plus sized women at the forefront the way that
were sort of trying to a few years ago. You
look at like movies and TV shows that are coming out,
there's no body diversity runway shows. If you look at
(39:47):
like all the singers who are coming up through the ranks,
is like our new pop stars, no body diversity there.
Like it's just it's like we're like, oh, we tried
it for a second, and now it's gone. And I
think what Lizzo writes in the substack is that she
feels like she was a product of that. She feels
like the plus sized community lifted her up, and then
the world by extension lifted her up, and now she
feels like she's been forgotten because she was part of
(40:08):
a trend. And I know some people will say like,
oh no, no, we don't like her now because of the
allegations or because she changed her body and all those things,
and that's fair, but I don't think that's the reason
that people don't listen to her music as much anymore.
Like she released new music recently, I think it went okay,
but it didn't block the way it would have for
someone who was the biggest pop star in the world.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
She was so like yeah everywhere for a while there,
and it just doesn't feel that way now. And for
her it probably felt like at the time, You're part
of this really big movement and things are actually changing.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And now writing that.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
And reading that, I feel like she probably looks back
on it thinking maybe it was just a phase.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, well, she says in the sub stack, And I
think she takes responsibility, but in a way that I
found not satisfying of taking responsibility, but in a way
of like a sadness to it, because she writes that
she wants to win back the plus sized community because
they're her people. And I think she's acknowledging that she's
made some mistakes. Obviously she has, and there's things that
she could do better, like we all could. But I
also think that idea of her thinking that she was
(41:02):
just a product of this moment and it's over and
she could maybe win back one small group of the
plast size community. But it's almost like in this subject,
there's this acceptance that she'll never win mainstream fans back
because such a sad.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Yeah, but then I see where she's coming from with
it. It does feel quite.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Real exactly, So I think, like, yeah, I think it's
like a lot of sadness there, but there's also like
that radical honesty that I really loved, and I think
that the thing to take away from it, and we'll
lincointernation show notes so you can read it in full,
because it's really worth reading the whole thing. I think
that there is like almost like a battle cry in
there of like this is happening, Like we're erasing these
people and these things, and what are we going to
do about it? So I don't think she was writing
(41:39):
it to be like feel bad for me or this
is an excuse. She was kind of saying like, hey,
this huge thing is happening, like we're erasing this whole
group of people from different parts of life essentially, and
what are we going to do about it?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And I feel like that should be the takeaway.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
And with the rise of a lot of these semi
glue tide products that people are on that can assist
you with weight loss, and just what we're seeing with
the changes in Hollywood, Like we've spoken about it on
the pod before, how the body representation seems to be
regressing quite a bit in Hollywood and with that rise
versem pic not really helping that. It is such a
topical thing for her to come out and say this.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Now, yeah, absolutely so yeah, such a good substack. We'll
link it in our show notes and I don't know
if ph'll have any sort of a ripple effect or change,
but I hope it does.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
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Speaker 5 (42:24):
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Speaker 3 (42:43):
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Speaker 5 (42:45):
Sorted, so tune in tomorrow six am for weekend watch
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Speaker 3 (43:06):
And we will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Bye bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.
We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of
the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
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Torres Strait Islander cultures.
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