Katy Perry and ex-Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau have hard-launched their relationship during her birthday celebrations, completing their strategic three-prong approach to announcing their new couple status. But was their launch location of choice cheesy or chic? That’s the hard-hitting question we need to debate.
Plus, there’s a rumour gaining traction that Sophie Turner and Chris Martin are dating, even though both their teams have refused to comment on the story. But once you know the secret link between them, the story starts to become more believable.
And Lily Allen’s new album West End Girl is here, a masterpiece chronicling the end of her marriage to Stranger Things actor David Harbour. In one of the songs, she sings about him cheating with a woman named ‘Madeline,’ and now the woman has come forward, but her story has made us deeply uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this bill, your daily pop culture fief. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Cassanulo Kisch And coming up on the
show today, there are some wild rumors that Sophie Turner
(00:35):
and Chris Martin are dating. We're going to get into that,
but actually the backstory between them is a little bit
more interesting than the rumors. Plus, Lily Allen's new album
West End Girl has been released. We have all been
listening to it on repeat as soon as it came out.
The world started this hunt for a woman called Madeline.
She has now come forward. It's gotten very messy. We're
going to unpack that, but first.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We have some more relationship news. Yes, so Katie Perry
and Justin Trudeau have hard launched their relationship in a
very very Hollywood way. So basically, Katie was celebrating her
forty first birthday over the weekend in Paris and her
and Justin were seen leaving from this famous cabaret club
called Crazy Horse Paris and they were pat and someone
(01:18):
gave Katie a rose saying happy Birthday. It was all
on TMZ and it really reminded me of like the
mid two thousands when people coming out of nightclubs and
it was all about TMZ and all about the paps,
because I feel like we don't see that as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah. Now a lot of the time celebs will either
do like a very stage red carpet to announce their relationship,
or they'll do it on Instagram like the rest of us,
in like a photo damp or like a video or
something like that to kind of very soft launch it.
I can't decide whether Katie and Justin Hard launching a
crazy horse is like the chicest thing ever, because it's
(01:56):
almost like it's so camp and silly that it almost
goes the other way, or if that is just a
crazy thing to do for like one of the world's
biggest pop stars to launch her relationship with the former
Prime Minister of Canada.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah. So this particular club, it's a cabaret club. It's
kind of like the sexier, more avant Gode version of
mulan Roage. The way that I've seen it describe is
like all of these nude performances. No, I haven't, but
I went to The Box in New York. Oh did
you ever go to that place? No?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But I've been to Crazy Horse twice and it is
a fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's it's kind of similar in that sort of
same way where it's very sexy performances at the Box,
Like there was one with a item that was used
in different orifices of someone's body live, So it's kind
of like a sex show but artistic.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, Crazy Hors is more like all the gorgeous women
dancing on stage, like mostly naked, but it's just some
moobs at the end of the day. Like it's a
fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Did you ever watch that movie show Girl? Was it Showgirls?
Just to io nipples? Having the potently would do that
at Crazy Horse.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But it's a very cool place to have a birthday party.
But I guess also Katie and Justin, like they've been
so public with their relationship in a way, but it's
all very kind of calculated publicity, Like they had that
full date day in Canada where for some reason, we
know every restaurant they went to, every bar, what they ordered,
where they walked their dog, where he dropped her off.
And then there were the photos from the yacht, which
(03:18):
again could have been not completely staged because they were
on a private yacht, but they were in an area
that's well known for paparazzis. They must have known there
would be photographers there. They seems like happy to passionately
make out on top of the yacht. And now we've
had the exit from Crazy Horse. It's like they had
this three prong approach to their dating strategy of how
to roll it out. So by the time we saw
them in public like this, holding hands and it's such
(03:40):
a hard launch, people already on their side.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, And the gill was really interesting to me about
Katie Perry this year is that the public perception of
her seems to have really shifted. We had the whole
Space debark or where she launched her Lifetime's Tour setlist
and people were kind of a bit icked out by that.
Then there was all that blowback from Lifetimes Tour in general,
talking about how she wasn't going to sell a tickets.
But then there was this shift that we spoke about
(04:05):
a few weeks ago where she's now starting to sell
little tickets. This tour has been incredibly successful. Then she
breaks up with Orlando Bloom and everybody feels like they're
on her side, and now she's hard launching this relationship,
and the public perception seems to be very very happy
for her.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I think in particular that just the Space Journey
was the one that hit her the hardest, and just
because that made international headlines in such a way. But
I think this like perceived hatred of her, Like it
always felt like quiet surface level, that it was just
a few very loud people on the Internet screaming it
from the rooftops, but once the algorithm takes over, like
all those edits have heard her concert, like they would
(04:40):
show Taylor Swift and Gracie Abrams and they would cut
to Katie Perry, and they would always use a bit
where she kind of fell or stumbled to make it
look like her show was terrible, or to make it
look like they weren't people at her concerts. But that
concert did really well on ticket sales. It's more so
I think that just her album was not critically well received,
and even a lot of her die house fans like,
(05:00):
we love you, but we can't really get behind this song.
But I think also it kind of goes to show
that like once a woman goes through a breakup and
there's been it's perceived that she has been treated by badly,
Like people thought the whole Orlando Bloom him going to
that famous wedding without her. People thought he had come
to Australia to break up with her. All of a sudden,
we saw a woman who we thought was jilted, and
everyone's like not on our watch, Like it's interesting how
(05:23):
that kind of whipped around in her favor. And then
the Justin Trudeau, Like for some reason, people are so
on board with this, like it's an old school rom
com movie that they're watching.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's interesting to me because people always thought he was
the hot prime minister from Canada, that he'd always had
that image. But it's like he's now like sexier and edgier,
and it's like leaving this crazy Horse cabaret club, which
is a very sexy club. It's kind of like upping
that sexy factor rather than it just being like, oh,
you're a cute politician, it's now he's like really sexy.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I mean interesting if like he gets any blowback from
this Justin Trudeau, because we know his ex wife put
up that statement. Well it wasn't about them, but it
was a sort of a statement about breaking up when
the photos of him and Katy Perry came out. And
they've got kids together, even though they've been separated for
a while now, but they were like a golden politic
couple for so long, and Katie's younger than her as well.
I'd be interested in like if kind of like the
(06:15):
dominoes kind of fall like in favor of her but
not in favor of him, or whether people are so
invested in this love story that they'll just they don't
want to hear about like the side drama.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You imagine your dad going and coming out of like
a cabaret club. You're like, Dad, come on, but look
like they look really happy. I looks like a good time.
I want to go to the Crazy Horse. I never
went when I was there, but it looks like a
good time. But yeah, Katie Perry and Justin Todau.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So a little bit of an unexpected story started circulating
over the weekend, and that is that Sophie Turner is
dating Chris Martin.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, I've seen this, and this one kind of popped
up on my feed and I was, you know, a
bit reluctant to look at it. I thought it was
just a bit of a click baity one. I wasn't
sure if there was much validity to it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh no, there's zero to no evidence backing this up.
And if we were a reputable news source, we would
be commenting on it. But we're not, so we're going
to dive into it. No, no, no, it just started as
like I think one page six rumor. Yeah, that sort
of then started escalating because a number of outlets picked
it up and all of them were contacting Sophie Turner
and Chris Martin's teams, who all said no comment. So
(07:25):
they were very much aware of the rumor. So it's
something they could have shut down if they wanted to.
It's just interesting how these things kind of build. It
had to be like a perfect storm of all these
facts coming in. So we know that Dakota Johnson and
Chris Martin, even though they haven't formally announced it, it's
very sort of well known that they have broken up
after nearly a decade together.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I've really loved them together, especially after Gwendeth. I really
loved Chris Martin. Then to go to Johns.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, and also Gwyneth loved Dakota Johnsonweneth Paltrow gave more
interviews talking about Dakota Johnson and Chris Martin together than
Chris Martin and Dakota Johnson gave together during their very
long relationship. So she would just be like, yeah, I
love them together. I love her. It's so fun. I
love him like. She was just all on the record,
And I thought it was especially interesting this weekend that
(08:10):
all of these photos have come out of Dakota Johnson
at her younger sister, Stella's wedding. So that's her half
sister with Melanie Griffiths and Antonio Banderaz and you just
see all these and Dakota was her bridesmaid in this
Spanish wedding. You just see all these photos of Dakota
Johnson looking like tragically beautiful, not that she's tragic, but
that was the vibe. And this like black lace bridesmaid's
dress holding a red bouquet with her head down smiling
(08:33):
kind of very mysterious. So she's doing okay.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Didn't you have some boyfriend, some aristocrat called Peregrine or
Perry or something.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, So Sophie Turner has been dating Peregrine for quite
a while now. I think it was the hard launch
on her Instagram. Happened in twenty twenty four, but he
was like the fifth photo or something like that, when
he's like.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The last photo buried in the viving. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, But they had been photographed out together so many times.
It was like a known thing that they were dating
in together.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh do you call that a hard launcher? Would that
be like a soft heart launch? Well, because it's like
if it's deep inside, it's like you want people to
see it, but it's not enough to see it on
the first side.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, but it's just the fact that they had been
rumored to be together for so long. They were such
a build up around who she would date after that
Joe Jona's divorce, and like how that just blew up
with the accusation she had done something dangerous and him
trying to paint her in a bad light and then
her going to dinner with Taylor Swift and turning the
whole story around. So when she started hooking up with
this guy, all eyes were on them. I think it
(09:30):
was like a group photo right at the end of
her big Instagram carousel, but even her putting him on
the grid after there'd been rumors, everyone's like, oh, she's
super serious about this guy. So, yes, his name is
Peregren Pearson, but he's called Perry for short, and he
comes from an incredibly rich family, Like they only begin
entertainment company, but they're also a part of the aristocracy.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, he's a viscount.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He's a viscount in waiting. Oh okay, so he's not
even a real vike. Why are we talking about it?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So he's going to inherit that title.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think he's a few behind in the family. So
he's not even like direct in line, No, not quite
direct in line, but you know he might get there
one day. He's got some stuff going on for him.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
A viscount waiting. Yeah, okay, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A viscount in waiting. I want if he puts someone
his passport forms or he's like there's been rumors that
Sophie and Perry had been on and off for a while.
There were so many photos that would come out of them,
like walking the streets together, kissing and hanging out. There
was photos of her taking him, like to friends' weddings
and events. The story started building that they would be
engaged soon, and then the rumors that started coming out
(10:34):
were that they were on a break. They went photographed
together for a long time. Apparently they went to this
huge society wedding and again this is getting really in
the weeds of all these like rumors and things. But
it's crazy how UK society just leak all of their
own goss, Like we know this from everyone who's like
adjacent to the royal family. They just leak all their
own goths to all their people in different media outlets,
(10:55):
and that's how it comes out. They went to this
huge society wedding together Sophie and Perry and kept like
having huge flights on the dance floor where people could
see them, and then going away and coming back and
like kissing and making up on the dance floor and
then fighting again. And apparently that was the last straw
for their relationship and they haven't been seen together since.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There's nothing like fighting at a wedding, right, Yea, there's
something about that a wedding that really brings out the
worst in relationships.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, He's a very heightened emotional day and it's a
huge day of drinking and it's usually two am on
the dance floor where things get crazy. But I also
think if you relationship isn't in trouble, you make up
the next day when you're so broad. Yep, obviously there
was more happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I'm just looking at a photo of him. He looks
really tall, because she's tall.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is very tall. A tall man can get away
with anything. This mans a viscount in waiting, and he's got.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Quite cute and he looks really tall.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh yeah, he's tall. He's tall and cute, and I'm
sure that's all he has going for him.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I know, but I just didn't really. I knew that
they were dating, but he just wasn't. It's not like
he was out in public with her much in terms
of on red carpets or you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Know, at public.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But yeah, so apparently her and Chris Martin. But wasn't
she like obsessed with him?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So that's the kind of interesting part of the story here.
And one thing I love about Sophie Turner is like
she's such an open fangirl. Like if you see her
on the red carpet and she sees someone that she loves,
she doesn't play it cool like I remember when she
there's these videos of her meeting Jonathan Vannest from Queeraye
at an event and she is just losing her mind.
She is kneeling on the ground. She was married to
(12:24):
Joe Jonas at the time. She's screaming for him to
come over, and she's like falling into his arms. And
I've seen her do that a few times. If she
loves someone, she loves them. So she loves Chris Mutton.
So there was like a Joe Jonas TV show that
would filming, and they filmed him and Sophie at dinner
for her birthday. And in the video, Joe Jonah says
to Sophie, I have a surprise for you. Someone wants
(12:46):
to say happy birthday. And he holds up this video
message from Chris Muttin saying Happy Birthday to Sophie and
she loses it. She tears up. She says she doesn't
want to cry. She loves him so much like he
is her ultimate not only her ultimate like musician, but
her ultimate kind of celebrity that she worships celebrity crush.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, so is she actually dating the celebrity crow.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, here's the thing. It's unsustaintial at the moment, so
a lot of it has just been like very rumor based,
Like a spoke to Page six, a source spoke to
Daily Mail. This video thing with Chris Martin happened so
long ago, so it's not like someone I don't think
has seen that information and said like, oh, they're both single,
they must be dating. There's also no photos of this
(13:28):
alleged date. Secret dates, yes, see secret date that they had,
which I guess is fair that one thing we know
about celebrities is that they can go on dates without
being seen. So when they are seen, it's because they
want to be seen or they just don't care. There
are two dates. When I was like piecing all the
kind of bits and pieces from all these gossip sites together,
there's two dates where they were both in London and
(13:48):
both in la where they're not photographed, but they're know
one to be in the same city. So people think
that either there's potentially two dates that happened back to
back within like in the same month, or one of
the dates happened on that night and they're still talking.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Is this story like almost the level of tracking the
private jet that you've just.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Said, Yeah, that's the thing. If these guys are using
private jets more, we'd be all over them. Well, I'm
sure they are, but I think because they don't own them,
it's harder to track their usage. Not like Taylor Swift's
private jet or Kylie Jenner's private jet is public information,
so we always know where those girls are at all times.
But that is the story, and at this point in time,
neither Chris or Sophie are commenting on it, which is
(14:28):
fair enough because if it's not true, when they shut
it down, it potentially becomes a bigger story because they've
denied it. But because they haven't shut it down, even
though both their camps have been notified, it is one
of those things that is now like quite spiraling out
of control.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, I think people just get a bit excited, especially
when you start to find old videos of people getting
excited about yeah like nothing like you know, someone actually
getting with their celebrity crush.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And part of me is like, oh, that's probably not true.
But that's what I said when I heard that this
football player Travis Kelcey was like trying to get a
date with Taylor Swift and going into her consent, trying
to give her a bracelet. I was like, dude, that
woman is never going to look at you. You're being crazy,
And obviously I was wrong about that. So I don't
know if my opinion's worth much here, But I guess
it's a different situation because neither of them have said
(15:14):
anything publicly. They're just known to be single, and this
story has come together that they're dating. But I guess
it just has to be that perfect storm. It has
to be that perfect storm of like people are very
interested in their relationship breakups, people are tracking where they are.
These stories have come out, there is a history you
can build on like a rumor, doesn't it fun? Yeah,
the kind of like flame for a rumor can be lit,
(15:34):
but for it to build, it needs to have all
of these perfect pieces there. And that's what we have here.
We have like the perfect flame for a rumor.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If they do officially get together, Joe's going to be
pretty upset that he's sent to that video.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I wonder if it's worse for him that his like
ex wife would be hooking up with like someone who's
known to be such an incredible musician. Where it's not
that the Jonas brothers no beef with the Jonas brothers,
I don't really know that much about them. I mostly
know about them because of who they marry, But I
do know that they're not these huge are critically acclaimed,
(16:07):
award winning musicians. That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Sorry, I'm just looking over at Mold because mon our
producer is I've been fan, and she's seething. Look, you're
about Coldplay.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But I think we can all agree Coldplay trump's the
Jonas Brothers in the cultural context, with Laura saying I'm
just scared to say it in front of and I'm sure,
I'm sure the girls don't want to hear it, But
I'm just saying that, you know, I don't know if
Joe's an insecure man. Everything we know about him points
to yes, So I would just think that he would
just be like, oh, not only has completely I stop
(16:41):
so safe saying this, not only has my ex wife
moved on, but she's moved on with a better musician
than me. Yes, that's all I'll say on the matter. So,
even if they're not dating, I feel like Sophie Turner,
even if she's broken up with the viscount and waiting,
still having a good time.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So that's fine, there's another man with a chip oney
shoulder who could talk about next.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So I feel like it's pretty safe to say that
pretty much every woman and a lot of men that
I know across the world have been listening to one
album over the last few days, and it's Lily Allen's
new album, Westen Girl.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It has gone absolutely be honest, now, I know you
and EM spoke about this last week and sort of
about how it was rumored that it was going to
be about her relationship with David Harbor, and it definitely is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, and yeah, there's a lot that comes out around
her marriage and her divorce and her breakup and allegations,
and I feel like that has been the main headline
around it, which is so enough because that's a very
kind of salacious story and it's something that people had
suspected happened and now we have it sort of laid
out for us in such a way. But I also
feel like just everything about west End Girl, from like
(17:45):
how she crafted it to how she released it to
how it's been received, is also so interesting because as
much as this is like a heartbreak album and a
divorce album and the kind of idea is that she
made it really quickly and just poured her soul out
into the page. The craftsmanship and the lyricism of this
album and those fourteen songs, even taking away like the
(18:06):
salacious kind of rumors, it's just so incredibly well reach
and so soulful, and I just think it just goes
to show that like there's no one else like Lily
Allen out there.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It really reminds me of the Lily Allen that I
absolutely fell in love with as a teenager. It is funny, quirky,
deep soulful Lily Allen that I loved so much, and
I feel as though she definitely lost that a little bit.
You know, She's been seven years since her last studio album,
and she actually said in the Sunday Times article that
(18:36):
she did recently. I thought I didn't have any good
songs left. My writing had been really bad, and it
took something to happen in my life for everything to
blow up for me to go, oh, here she is.
And I really felt that in this And I don't
want this to be like a full review of this album,
but I have been listening to it non stop, and
the way that it flows if you listen to it
start to finish, which I believe is the way she
(18:58):
intended it to be listened to. It really is this
like rollercoaster of emotion from It's quite happy the West
End Girl, that first track, and then we started to
break it down, then she's angry at David Harbor, and
then it's really sad and hot breaking. That's the end.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And as much as what you're saying about listening to
the album that way, I think that's interesting too, because
obviously there's songs that will come out of it that'll
be singles and be the songs that stand out. But
it really feels like one of those albums that wasn't
made for TikTok or wasn't made to have this sort
of big breakout song. It's like you've got to listen
to it all in one go. Listening to that song
just by listening to the singles would be like opening
(19:37):
a book and reading like the middle page, Like it
just wouldn't make any sense. And also so interesting in
this age of like pop stars having to do these
huge build ups two album releases that Lily Allen like, yes,
she did a little bit of press and she had
one or two like magazine newspaper interviews, ready to go.
But I know Taylors of just her whole kind of
own being in universe. But when you look at the
(19:57):
way that she launches an album, which is like telling
people ahead of time in the case of the life
of a show girl, and having like a countdown on
her website and having all these easter eggs and then
releasing like multiple vinyls, releasing multiple kind of things people
can buy, and having this whole layered build up to
it where the release of the album becomes its own
(20:18):
separate entity outside of the actual music itself. And all
that's the bad things. I know, Like a lot of
people are Taylors for fans because they love being involved
in that. But I think there's something really interesting about
someone like Lily Allen who could have done something like
that because she has the cachet over twenty years build up,
she has the interest in her life, and she has
all these connections to Hollywood, Like the man who cheated
(20:39):
on her is a very famous man whose TV show
that made him so famous is about to come out.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I know, isn't that a coincident?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, exactly. And there's so much which I do I
do love that move from her. She's like, before he
does the whole press tour for Stranger Things, She's like,
I'm getting in first.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It was so calculated and absolutely brilliant marketing. So we
know that they split up at the end of last year,
and she wrote this album super quickly, wrote it in
ten days, so I'm assuming that she's kind of producing
at post producing it, but she's gone, this guy's going
to launch his final season of Stranger Things in a.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Month, and I'm going to get my start of the
story out there first, and I'm going to get him
and just saying to fans like, hey, I've got an
album coming out in a few days, and that being
enough to like get everyone so intensely excited. And for
this to be like have this huge, successful launch without
doing any kind of like East Rokes Countdowns huge promo,
I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, Obviously Lily Allen is very famous in the UK,
and here in America she's not super well known. She
admits that she talks about how when she was living
in Brooklyn in New York, no one knew who she was.
So I quite like the idea of this album bringing
her to an American yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
One hundred percent. This could be your first time listening
to Lily Allen and as much as like her other
albums are incredible, like you could just fall in love
with her from this album absolutely, which I think is
super interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I want to start with West End Girl, which
is the first song in the album, and the whole
song is she picks up her kids. They moved to Brooklyn.
They moved to New York, the kid's aunt, David's kids,
and she's there. She's really happy. They have this home
in Brooklyn, which was in Architectural famously.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Where she referenced in the song because she says that
song found ourselves a good mortgage, Billy Cotton sorted, So
Billy Cotton is the designer who made that crazy talked
about home that went a bit viral of Architectural Diagasse.
So she's kind of really as much as she says,
like a lot of this album isn't fact to some
of it is fiction. But then she's dropping all these
little clues through there where she's talking about very small
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yet significant parts of her life where she's trying to
bread come like this is the part that's completely true,
This isn't part of the fiction writing.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, so she gets a role in this west End play.
In one of the comments the person in this song
makes to her is oh, you didn't have to audition,
and it screams this kind of insecurity on his partner.
I know when she was doing press for this, she
was lauded with awards for this particular performance. So this
particular west End plague is called two twenty two a
ghost Stories. It's back in twenty twenty one that she
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had this. It's only a year after they got married.
So she gets this role. It's unexpected. She's really excited
about it. But David's response is like very lukewarm in
the press for it, He's kind of going, I've been
in one hundred thousand players and I've never been, you know,
awarded of anything. So he's trying to make these jokes. Now,
there is a letter that he wrote to her on
(23:25):
her opening night, and she posted this on her Instagram
stories and someone stuck it back up. I'm going to
read this to you. It's really quite telling of this
my ambitious wife. These are bad luck flowers, because if
you get reviewed well in this play, you'll get all
kinds of awards and I will be miserable your loving husband.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's almost like that whole like Kristen Baldek, Shepherd.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Doesn't mind the same.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's cute if you look at it one way, because
he's like alluding to these, you're like part of me
is like, Oh, it's a couple that's so secure in
their relationship that out of these they have their own
language and jokes that don't upset them because they're so
secure in it. But obviously looking back on it, knowing
what happens next, it does make a lot of sense
that it's like he's trying to sort of make a joke,
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but it's showing his insecurities. Because the thing our David
Harbor is like, yes, he's known for stranger things, and yes,
now he's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and he's seen
as this like action hero, but for the whole start
of his career he was very much like, I'm a
theater guy. He would go and do like these small
like theater festival circuits and small towns and things. And
he always talks about that in a way of like
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I'm a real actor. I'm not a Hollywood actor. So
I think her coming in doing a West End play,
which is seen as something that only real actors do,
did really upset him, Like he just wanted her to
be like, I'm the real actor and you're a pop
star turned kind of wife now and I love. Also,
the full circleness of this is that she was on
the West End and another player again this year and
got really good reviews. So it wasn't like a flash
(24:53):
in the pan. She did it again.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She's clearly a very talented performer. And I mean, I
think when they met she was a few years sober.
I think she was only a year sober when they
got together, or even less than that, like she was
quite early in her sobriety. You know, we had lockdown,
stranger things was just giant, gigantic. He was having his
moment they made on RAYA, and then things just sort
(25:16):
of change for them and he asks for an open relationship,
which is where things seem to kind of really start
to unravel, and we sort of start to see that
in the album.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, So it was this kind of understood thing that
she's spoken about where they had an open relationship but
with rules around what he was allowed to do, what
she was allowed to do. And the idea that he
broke those rules and had more of an emotional affair
is kind of what led to this album. And this
is something she gets onto in the next song on
the album, Ruminating, where she talks about there's like a
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line when she says, I'm not hateful, but you make
me hate her. She gets to sleep next to my
medicator and I can't shake the image of her naked
on top of you, undissociated, and she keeps saying, like,
if this casual sex had to happen, why do I
have to know? Which is this idea of her kind
of realizing what had happened with this affair.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, and it looks like it's not just a single
woman as well, Like I mean, he was talking about
being in a relationship. But in the song pussy Palace,
that is a cutting, cutting character analysis of David Harber
that one and four chance Stan they got they played
back to back. This is her I'm really mad at
this guy, and this guy's a pig and I'm going
(26:27):
to uncover him. In the chorus of pussy Palace, she goes,
I didn't know it was a pussy purlas I always
thought it was a dojo, and so I'm looking at
a sex addict, And so she talks about him being
a sex addict. Then she talks about her finding butt plugs,
Trojans Loube all of his stuff in this secret apartment
in the West Village that he apparently had that was
basically just a place where he took women, And that's
(26:50):
the accusation he's making. And now four chance Stan she's
basically call him a really sad man. I didn't know
what a four chance stan man was. Did you know
what it meant. I'd never heard that phrase before I have,
I didn't know what it was. But apparently a four
chance Stan it's like someone who's really deep into four
chan and thinks they're really like ahead of the curb,
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but they're kind of a bit of an in cell.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, which would make a lot of context in
one and what she's singing about and what she's saying,
And also the interesting thing about all these different stories
about her talking about the different layers of her discovering
him cheating, discovering it was an emotional affair, and discovering
it with so many women, discovering he had a whole setup.
I've seen a few people sort of be like, oh,
but like, if they're an open relationship, then she has
(27:34):
no right to be upset, or she has no right
to do this whole album about his infidelity if it
was a set up thing.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Still a huge betrayal if like, as a couple, you
have like there's parameters that you have to follow, and
then just to find out that he's not only broken
all of those rules, but he's gone off in all
these different directions of like having an active profile on Raya,
which is again a very public thing, of like he's
married to Lily Allen, but he's still looking for these
very exclusive hookups of him sort of the allegation of
(28:03):
him befending all these women on Instagram and like chasing
them down and having this sort of residence. And then
the song Mad, which is the one everyone is talking
about finding out that it was more than just sex
allegedly with this woman, that sort of seems for like
the most heartbreaking thing of the whole album.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Absolutely, and I definitely had that thought when I first
saw it. I was like, if there'd ation really open relationship,
that it's not cheating. She was very interesting how she
said it because she's like, oh, this is a gray
area in this when you talk about our open relationship.
You put rules and parameters in place, like you said,
but there is a gray area when someone breaks those rules. Now,
if she was coerced into making this decision to be
(28:41):
in an open relationship, which is kind of what you
get the sense from from the album. Now, we don't
know what this situation was, but that's kind of what
we get from it. I don't know if you agree.
And I've got the sense that she was really encouraged
to do this. She didn't really want to, but you
kind of had to.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, that's the feeling I got, especially as the song's
progress in the album, that she didn't come into it
thinking like I really want to be in an open
marriage and that's how I want to live. She gave
him the green flag to do that because it was
a way to keep this like former kind of fairy
tale marriage, not just a fairy tale marriage for them,
but also this very public kind of fairy tale marriage
of everyone being obsessed with them as a couple and
(29:19):
them doing so much publicity and pressed together, and then
it kind of became like that was the make or
break of them staying together. So she said yes, not
realizing how badly it was going to escalate.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, So let's talk a little bit more about Madeline,
because that's the one that's like really given people a
lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes. So, I mean, this whole song is very incredible,
but there's a line that is particularly being pulled out
by people where she says.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
We had an arrange one a street and the rebated
it had to be a stranger. But you're not a stranger, Maud.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You can have sex with sex workers and it needs
to be no emotions attached to it. Yes. So the
woman who is apparently Madeleine is a costume designer called
Natalie Tippett. Now she met David in twenty twenty one
and that while working on the set of his film
We Have a Ghost. So she's actually come out and
spoken and made a statement about this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, she's given almost like a long form interview to
the Daily Mail The Mail on Sunday. And what's so
interesting about this is that I'm so shocked that she
has come forward so quickly. It's this idea of like
who is Madeline. As soon as the album came out,
people started hunting for Madeline. They were going back through
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like old photos and stories and like old gossip sites
and things, trying to piece it together. But as far
as I could tell, there wasn't a straight line to her.
But the male somehow found her and she agreed to
this interview. And what's kind of interesting is like Lily
Allen kept saying like, oh no, Madeleine's not like a
specific not that she's not a specific person at a mala, yes,
(31:10):
and she's like, I'm using a different name, and she's
like and a lot of this is also fiction, Like
she wasn't trying to set people off to find this woman,
but that is what happened. It's almost like when Beyonce
was like seeing about Becky with the good hair, and
people just really like went trying to find that. But
in this case, she did give an interview. So she's
a thirty four year old single mother. She lives in
(31:32):
New Orleans. Even when they were speaking to her, they're
just like the journalist who's writing up this interview is
describing what it's like inside her home while she's talking
about being the woman that cheated with David Harbor and
Lily Allen and saying like, oh, she's you know, she's
sitting in this beautiful home and her kid is like
running in and out, and it's just like almost like
a feature piece. While being a sort of like confessional,
(31:54):
Natalie then said to the journalist that she is very
reluctant to sort of hit back, or very reluctant to
have her story turned into like this big kind of public,
international story, but she feels like she's had no choice
but to speak about it. So the journalist asked she's
heard the album, specifically if she's heard the song Madeline,
and she said, of course, I've heard the song, and
(32:15):
apparently she rolled her eyes. That's what the journalist has said,
and then she wanted to say it, but I have
a family in things to protect. I have a two
and a half year old daughter, and I understand that
this is going on. It's all a little bit scary
to me.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But the way that it's described in the song is
that Madeleine didn't know that they weren't allowed to be
like apparently David had told her. Yeah, so the way
that it's voiced in the song, it's a bit of
a caricature.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well exactly, they basically have all these text messages, which
we now are all real read out in a sense,
like in the song saying like, oh I didn't I
didn't know this is going to happen, and I'm so
sorry and I don't want to hurt you. And there's
a part where she's like, let me know if you
want any more information, let me know if you want
more about this, like I'm trying to sort of help,
and then apparently she told the journalists that she knew
(33:01):
prior to the album being released that all her text
messages were included in the song, and then she said, yes,
I knew, but I just don't feel comfortable talking about
it at this moment, which I understand. Like, I just
hope Natalie's got some people around her, because I just
feel like this is doing this interview, but they're not
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You've invited them into your home, but now you don't
want to talk about it, like you're cutting it off
before it's even started.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, I just hope she's got some people around her
because it just seems like she's a single mother who
met this man while she was working on a TV
show and he was the star, and he told her
this is the story that she's told. But he told
her that he had an open marriage from his very
famous wife and they could absolutely hook up. And so
they did that, and she believed him, and she's a
lot younger than him. And then apparently when filming wrapped,
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he flew her to Atlanta when he was based without
telling Lily Allen's this is this whole story.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Let's not attack this woman.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And then she's coming out and giving it into you
about it, but also not giving her side of the story.
I just feel like it's put a big target on
her head. Yeah, but she has she's got nothing out
of it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
She hasn't explained it well enough to warrant her actually
speaking up. Do you know what I mean. She's brought
this person into her home, she's brought this journalist to
tell her side of the story. But then as god,
actually I don't want to tell myself of the story.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I think what's really interesting to me is the massive,
massive social media outrage since this album has been released.
David Harbor has had to switch off all of the
comments on his Instagram. Yeah, everything has been switched off.
I went back through it. I found one that didn't
get switched off. I imagine that because it's quite a
laborious task that they didn't do one. The comments are vitriolic, Yeah,
(34:38):
like you are horrible, You're disgusting, Like it's pretty vile,
Like I don't think what he did is very good.
And I love this album and I love Lily Allen
and screw him, but it's not nice to see all that.
It's pretty intense. It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
At the end of the day, she's an artist, and
I feel like she should be able to put this
out into the world. And I was kind of on
the fence about like the timing of it, because I
feel like she put it out when she was in
a huge emotional state and she was kind of really
in the midst of feeling this pain, and so for
any other human being, i'd say, like, that's probably not
the thing to do. But when you're an artist of
like especially of that caliber, and you like right from
(35:14):
the heart like that, it's almost like she needed to
do that to have this album be out in the world.
And yes, there's going to be fallout for it, but
it almost feels justified for what's happened. And yeah, David
Harbor is going to cop it, but you know he's fine.
He's a big action star. The industry loves him, like,
he's going to be fine. I just I'd be more
(35:35):
interested what comes out from Natalie Tippett now that she's
outed herself as the Madeline without sort of giving any
context and has asked to be left alone. But I
knew nothing about this woman prior to this, and now
I know where she lives, I know the area she lives,
I know how old her daughter is. I know a
little bit about like the cadence of their day when
she's talking about that, Like, I just feel like Madeline
(35:57):
should have stayed just a kind of far away figuring
an idea and I shouldn't know how old her daughter
is is kind of what I'm getting from that. But yeah,
overall the album, yes, that's a.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Whole around that back the albums. The album is amazing.
I'm are such a big fan. This is mind blowing album.
It's gotten very very good reviews by like musical reviewers,
so I would highly recommend listening to it. It's freakin' messy,
and David Harbor is actually a bit of a prick.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, sometimes breakups just have to be messy. I feel
like this whole, like you know, we're best friends, conscious
on coupleeen, like that's at the doll, Like we're back
to messy celebrity breakups.
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Lan
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this bill, your daily pop culture fief. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Cassanulo Kisch And coming up on the
show today, there are some wild rumors that Sophie Turner
(00:35):
and Chris Martin are dating. We're going to get into that,
but actually the backstory between them is a little bit
more interesting than the rumors. Plus, Lily Allen's new album
West End Girl has been released. We have all been
listening to it on repeat as soon as it came out.
The world started this hunt for a woman called Madeline.
She has now come forward. It's gotten very messy. We're
going to unpack that, but first.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We have some more relationship news. Yes, so Katie Perry
and Justin Trudeau have hard launched their relationship in a
very very Hollywood way. So basically, Katie was celebrating her
forty first birthday over the weekend in Paris and her
and Justin were seen leaving from this famous cabaret club
called Crazy Horse Paris and they were pat and someone
(01:18):
gave Katie a rose saying happy Birthday. It was all
on TMZ and it really reminded me of like the
mid two thousands when people coming out of nightclubs and
it was all about TMZ and all about the paps,
because I feel like we don't see that as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah. Now a lot of the time celebs will either
do like a very stage red carpet to announce their relationship,
or they'll do it on Instagram like the rest of us,
in like a photo damp or like a video or
something like that to kind of very soft launch it.
I can't decide whether Katie and Justin Hard launching a
crazy horse is like the chicest thing ever, because it's
(01:56):
almost like it's so camp and silly that it almost
goes the other way, or if that is just a
crazy thing to do for like one of the world's
biggest pop stars to launch her relationship with the former
Prime Minister of Canada.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah. So this particular club, it's a cabaret club. It's
kind of like the sexier, more avant Gode version of
mulan Roage. The way that I've seen it describe is
like all of these nude performances. No, I haven't, but
I went to The Box in New York. Oh did
you ever go to that place? No?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But I've been to Crazy Horse twice and it is
a fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's it's kind of similar in that sort of
same way where it's very sexy performances at the Box,
Like there was one with a item that was used
in different orifices of someone's body live, So it's kind
of like a sex show but artistic.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, Crazy Hors is more like all the gorgeous women
dancing on stage, like mostly naked, but it's just some
moobs at the end of the day. Like it's a
fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Did you ever watch that movie show Girl? Was it Showgirls?
Just to io nipples? Having the potently would do that
at Crazy Horse.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But it's a very cool place to have a birthday party.
But I guess also Katie and Justin, like they've been
so public with their relationship in a way, but it's
all very kind of calculated publicity, Like they had that
full date day in Canada where for some reason, we
know every restaurant they went to, every bar, what they ordered,
where they walked their dog, where he dropped her off.
And then there were the photos from the yacht, which
(03:18):
again could have been not completely staged because they were
on a private yacht, but they were in an area
that's well known for paparazzis. They must have known there
would be photographers there. They seems like happy to passionately
make out on top of the yacht. And now we've
had the exit from Crazy Horse. It's like they had
this three prong approach to their dating strategy of how
to roll it out. So by the time we saw
them in public like this, holding hands and it's such
(03:40):
a hard launch, people already on their side.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, And the gill was really interesting to me about
Katie Perry this year is that the public perception of
her seems to have really shifted. We had the whole
Space debark or where she launched her Lifetime's Tour setlist
and people were kind of a bit icked out by that.
Then there was all that blowback from Lifetimes Tour in general,
talking about how she wasn't going to sell a tickets.
But then there was this shift that we spoke about
(04:05):
a few weeks ago where she's now starting to sell
little tickets. This tour has been incredibly successful. Then she
breaks up with Orlando Bloom and everybody feels like they're
on her side, and now she's hard launching this relationship,
and the public perception seems to be very very happy
for her.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I think in particular that just the Space Journey
was the one that hit her the hardest, and just
because that made international headlines in such a way. But
I think this like perceived hatred of her, Like it
always felt like quiet surface level, that it was just
a few very loud people on the Internet screaming it
from the rooftops, but once the algorithm takes over, like
all those edits have heard her concert, like they would
(04:40):
show Taylor Swift and Gracie Abrams and they would cut
to Katie Perry, and they would always use a bit
where she kind of fell or stumbled to make it
look like her show was terrible, or to make it
look like they weren't people at her concerts. But that
concert did really well on ticket sales. It's more so
I think that just her album was not critically well received,
and even a lot of her die house fans like,
(05:00):
we love you, but we can't really get behind this song.
But I think also it kind of goes to show
that like once a woman goes through a breakup and
there's been it's perceived that she has been treated by badly,
Like people thought the whole Orlando Bloom him going to
that famous wedding without her. People thought he had come
to Australia to break up with her. All of a sudden,
we saw a woman who we thought was jilted, and
everyone's like not on our watch, Like it's interesting how
(05:23):
that kind of whipped around in her favor. And then
the Justin Trudeau, Like for some reason, people are so
on board with this, like it's an old school rom
com movie that they're watching.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's interesting to me because people always thought he was
the hot prime minister from Canada, that he'd always had
that image. But it's like he's now like sexier and edgier,
and it's like leaving this crazy Horse cabaret club, which
is a very sexy club. It's kind of like upping
that sexy factor rather than it just being like, oh,
you're a cute politician, it's now he's like really sexy.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I mean interesting if like he gets any blowback from
this Justin Trudeau, because we know his ex wife put
up that statement. Well it wasn't about them, but it
was a sort of a statement about breaking up when
the photos of him and Katy Perry came out. And
they've got kids together, even though they've been separated for
a while now, but they were like a golden politic
couple for so long, and Katie's younger than her as well.
I'd be interested in like if kind of like the
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dominoes kind of fall like in favor of her but
not in favor of him, or whether people are so
invested in this love story that they'll just they don't
want to hear about like the side drama.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You imagine your dad going and coming out of like
a cabaret club. You're like, Dad, come on, but look
like they look really happy. I looks like a good time.
I want to go to the Crazy Horse. I never
went when I was there, but it looks like a
good time. But yeah, Katie Perry and Justin Todau.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So a little bit of an unexpected story started circulating
over the weekend, and that is that Sophie Turner is
dating Chris Martin.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, I've seen this, and this one kind of popped
up on my feed and I was, you know, a
bit reluctant to look at it. I thought it was
just a bit of a click baity one. I wasn't
sure if there was much validity to it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh no, there's zero to no evidence backing this up.
And if we were a reputable news source, we would
be commenting on it. But we're not, so we're going
to dive into it. No, no, no, it just started as
like I think one page six rumor. Yeah, that sort
of then started escalating because a number of outlets picked
it up and all of them were contacting Sophie Turner
and Chris Martin's teams, who all said no comment. So
(07:25):
they were very much aware of the rumor. So it's
something they could have shut down if they wanted to.
It's just interesting how these things kind of build. It
had to be like a perfect storm of all these
facts coming in. So we know that Dakota Johnson and
Chris Martin, even though they haven't formally announced it, it's
very sort of well known that they have broken up
after nearly a decade together.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I've really loved them together, especially after Gwendeth. I really
loved Chris Martin. Then to go to Johns.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, and also Gwyneth loved Dakota Johnsonweneth Paltrow gave more
interviews talking about Dakota Johnson and Chris Martin together than
Chris Martin and Dakota Johnson gave together during their very
long relationship. So she would just be like, yeah, I
love them together. I love her. It's so fun. I
love him like. She was just all on the record,
And I thought it was especially interesting this weekend that
(08:10):
all of these photos have come out of Dakota Johnson
at her younger sister, Stella's wedding. So that's her half
sister with Melanie Griffiths and Antonio Banderaz and you just
see all these and Dakota was her bridesmaid in this
Spanish wedding. You just see all these photos of Dakota
Johnson looking like tragically beautiful, not that she's tragic, but
that was the vibe. And this like black lace bridesmaid's
dress holding a red bouquet with her head down smiling
(08:33):
kind of very mysterious. So she's doing okay.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Didn't you have some boyfriend, some aristocrat called Peregrine or
Perry or something.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, So Sophie Turner has been dating Peregrine for quite
a while now. I think it was the hard launch
on her Instagram. Happened in twenty twenty four, but he
was like the fifth photo or something like that, when
he's like.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The last photo buried in the viving. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, But they had been photographed out together so many times.
It was like a known thing that they were dating
in together.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh do you call that a hard launcher? Would that
be like a soft heart launch? Well, because it's like
if it's deep inside, it's like you want people to
see it, but it's not enough to see it on
the first side.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, but it's just the fact that they had been
rumored to be together for so long. They were such
a build up around who she would date after that
Joe Jona's divorce, and like how that just blew up
with the accusation she had done something dangerous and him
trying to paint her in a bad light and then
her going to dinner with Taylor Swift and turning the
whole story around. So when she started hooking up with
this guy, all eyes were on them. I think it
(09:30):
was like a group photo right at the end of
her big Instagram carousel, but even her putting him on
the grid after there'd been rumors, everyone's like, oh, she's
super serious about this guy. So, yes, his name is
Peregren Pearson, but he's called Perry for short, and he
comes from an incredibly rich family, Like they only begin
entertainment company, but they're also a part of the aristocracy.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, he's a viscount.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He's a viscount in waiting. Oh okay, so he's not
even a real vike. Why are we talking about it?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So he's going to inherit that title.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think he's a few behind in the family. So
he's not even like direct in line, No, not quite
direct in line, but you know he might get there
one day. He's got some stuff going on for him.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
A viscount waiting. Yeah, okay, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A viscount in waiting. I want if he puts someone
his passport forms or he's like there's been rumors that
Sophie and Perry had been on and off for a while.
There were so many photos that would come out of them,
like walking the streets together, kissing and hanging out. There
was photos of her taking him, like to friends' weddings
and events. The story started building that they would be
engaged soon, and then the rumors that started coming out
(10:34):
were that they were on a break. They went photographed
together for a long time. Apparently they went to this
huge society wedding and again this is getting really in
the weeds of all these like rumors and things. But
it's crazy how UK society just leak all of their
own goss, Like we know this from everyone who's like
adjacent to the royal family. They just leak all their
own goths to all their people in different media outlets,
(10:55):
and that's how it comes out. They went to this
huge society wedding together Sophie and Perry and kept like
having huge flights on the dance floor where people could
see them, and then going away and coming back and
like kissing and making up on the dance floor and
then fighting again. And apparently that was the last straw
for their relationship and they haven't been seen together since.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There's nothing like fighting at a wedding, right, Yea, there's
something about that a wedding that really brings out the
worst in relationships.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, He's a very heightened emotional day and it's a
huge day of drinking and it's usually two am on
the dance floor where things get crazy. But I also
think if you relationship isn't in trouble, you make up
the next day when you're so broad. Yep, obviously there
was more happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I'm just looking at a photo of him. He looks
really tall, because she's tall.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is very tall. A tall man can get away
with anything. This mans a viscount in waiting, and he's got.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Quite cute and he looks really tall.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh yeah, he's tall. He's tall and cute, and I'm
sure that's all he has going for him.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I know, but I just didn't really. I knew that
they were dating, but he just wasn't. It's not like
he was out in public with her much in terms
of on red carpets or you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Know, at public.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But yeah, so apparently her and Chris Martin. But wasn't
she like obsessed with him?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So that's the kind of interesting part of the story here.
And one thing I love about Sophie Turner is like
she's such an open fangirl. Like if you see her
on the red carpet and she sees someone that she loves,
she doesn't play it cool like I remember when she
there's these videos of her meeting Jonathan Vannest from Queeraye
at an event and she is just losing her mind.
She is kneeling on the ground. She was married to
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Joe Jonas at the time. She's screaming for him to
come over, and she's like falling into his arms. And
I've seen her do that a few times. If she
loves someone, she loves them. So she loves Chris Mutton.
So there was like a Joe Jonas TV show that
would filming, and they filmed him and Sophie at dinner
for her birthday. And in the video, Joe Jonah says
to Sophie, I have a surprise for you. Someone wants
(12:46):
to say happy birthday. And he holds up this video
message from Chris Muttin saying Happy Birthday to Sophie and
she loses it. She tears up. She says she doesn't
want to cry. She loves him so much like he
is her ultimate not only her ultimate like musician, but
her ultimate kind of celebrity that she worships celebrity crush.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, so is she actually dating the celebrity crow.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, here's the thing. It's unsustaintial at the moment, so
a lot of it has just been like very rumor based,
Like a spoke to Page six, a source spoke to
Daily Mail. This video thing with Chris Martin happened so
long ago, so it's not like someone I don't think
has seen that information and said like, oh, they're both single,
they must be dating. There's also no photos of this
(13:28):
alleged date. Secret dates, yes, see secret date that they had,
which I guess is fair that one thing we know
about celebrities is that they can go on dates without
being seen. So when they are seen, it's because they
want to be seen or they just don't care. There
are two dates. When I was like piecing all the
kind of bits and pieces from all these gossip sites together,
there's two dates where they were both in London and
(13:48):
both in la where they're not photographed, but they're know
one to be in the same city. So people think
that either there's potentially two dates that happened back to
back within like in the same month, or one of
the dates happened on that night and they're still talking.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Is this story like almost the level of tracking the
private jet that you've just.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Said, Yeah, that's the thing. If these guys are using
private jets more, we'd be all over them. Well, I'm
sure they are, but I think because they don't own them,
it's harder to track their usage. Not like Taylor Swift's
private jet or Kylie Jenner's private jet is public information,
so we always know where those girls are at all times.
But that is the story, and at this point in time,
neither Chris or Sophie are commenting on it, which is
(14:28):
fair enough because if it's not true, when they shut
it down, it potentially becomes a bigger story because they've
denied it. But because they haven't shut it down, even
though both their camps have been notified, it is one
of those things that is now like quite spiraling out
of control.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, I think people just get a bit excited, especially
when you start to find old videos of people getting
excited about yeah like nothing like you know, someone actually
getting with their celebrity crush.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And part of me is like, oh, that's probably not true.
But that's what I said when I heard that this
football player Travis Kelcey was like trying to get a
date with Taylor Swift and going into her consent, trying
to give her a bracelet. I was like, dude, that
woman is never going to look at you. You're being crazy,
And obviously I was wrong about that. So I don't
know if my opinion's worth much here, But I guess
it's a different situation because neither of them have said
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anything publicly. They're just known to be single, and this
story has come together that they're dating. But I guess
it just has to be that perfect storm. It has
to be that perfect storm of like people are very
interested in their relationship breakups, people are tracking where they are.
These stories have come out, there is a history you
can build on like a rumor, doesn't it fun? Yeah,
the kind of like flame for a rumor can be lit,
(15:34):
but for it to build, it needs to have all
of these perfect pieces there. And that's what we have here.
We have like the perfect flame for a rumor.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If they do officially get together, Joe's going to be
pretty upset that he's sent to that video.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I wonder if it's worse for him that his like
ex wife would be hooking up with like someone who's
known to be such an incredible musician. Where it's not
that the Jonas brothers no beef with the Jonas brothers,
I don't really know that much about them. I mostly
know about them because of who they marry, But I
do know that they're not these huge are critically acclaimed,
(16:07):
award winning musicians. That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Sorry, I'm just looking over at Mold because mon our
producer is I've been fan, and she's seething. Look, you're
about Coldplay.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But I think we can all agree Coldplay trump's the
Jonas Brothers in the cultural context, with Laura saying I'm
just scared to say it in front of and I'm sure,
I'm sure the girls don't want to hear it, But
I'm just saying that, you know, I don't know if
Joe's an insecure man. Everything we know about him points
to yes, So I would just think that he would
just be like, oh, not only has completely I stop
(16:41):
so safe saying this, not only has my ex wife
moved on, but she's moved on with a better musician
than me. Yes, that's all I'll say on the matter. So,
even if they're not dating, I feel like Sophie Turner,
even if she's broken up with the viscount and waiting,
still having a good time.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So that's fine, there's another man with a chip oney
shoulder who could talk about next.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So I feel like it's pretty safe to say that
pretty much every woman and a lot of men that
I know across the world have been listening to one
album over the last few days, and it's Lily Allen's
new album, Westen Girl.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It has gone absolutely be honest, now, I know you
and EM spoke about this last week and sort of
about how it was rumored that it was going to
be about her relationship with David Harbor, and it definitely is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, and yeah, there's a lot that comes out around
her marriage and her divorce and her breakup and allegations,
and I feel like that has been the main headline
around it, which is so enough because that's a very
kind of salacious story and it's something that people had
suspected happened and now we have it sort of laid
out for us in such a way. But I also
feel like just everything about west End Girl, from like
(17:45):
how she crafted it to how she released it to
how it's been received, is also so interesting because as
much as this is like a heartbreak album and a
divorce album and the kind of idea is that she
made it really quickly and just poured her soul out
into the page. The craftsmanship and the lyricism of this
album and those fourteen songs, even taking away like the
(18:06):
salacious kind of rumors, it's just so incredibly well reach
and so soulful, and I just think it just goes
to show that like there's no one else like Lily
Allen out there.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It really reminds me of the Lily Allen that I
absolutely fell in love with as a teenager. It is funny, quirky,
deep soulful Lily Allen that I loved so much, and
I feel as though she definitely lost that a little bit.
You know, She's been seven years since her last studio album,
and she actually said in the Sunday Times article that
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she did recently. I thought I didn't have any good
songs left. My writing had been really bad, and it
took something to happen in my life for everything to
blow up for me to go, oh, here she is.
And I really felt that in this And I don't
want this to be like a full review of this album,
but I have been listening to it non stop, and
the way that it flows if you listen to it
start to finish, which I believe is the way she
(18:58):
intended it to be listened to. It really is this
like rollercoaster of emotion from It's quite happy the West
End Girl, that first track, and then we started to
break it down, then she's angry at David Harbor, and
then it's really sad and hot breaking. That's the end.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And as much as what you're saying about listening to
the album that way, I think that's interesting too, because
obviously there's songs that will come out of it that'll
be singles and be the songs that stand out. But
it really feels like one of those albums that wasn't
made for TikTok or wasn't made to have this sort
of big breakout song. It's like you've got to listen
to it all in one go. Listening to that song
just by listening to the singles would be like opening
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a book and reading like the middle page, Like it
just wouldn't make any sense. And also so interesting in
this age of like pop stars having to do these
huge build ups two album releases that Lily Allen like, yes,
she did a little bit of press and she had
one or two like magazine newspaper interviews, ready to go.
But I know Taylors of just her whole kind of
own being in universe. But when you look at the
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way that she launches an album, which is like telling
people ahead of time in the case of the life
of a show girl, and having like a countdown on
her website and having all these easter eggs and then
releasing like multiple vinyls, releasing multiple kind of things people
can buy, and having this whole layered build up to
it where the release of the album becomes its own
(20:18):
separate entity outside of the actual music itself. And all
that's the bad things. I know, Like a lot of
people are Taylors for fans because they love being involved
in that. But I think there's something really interesting about
someone like Lily Allen who could have done something like
that because she has the cachet over twenty years build up,
she has the interest in her life, and she has
all these connections to Hollywood, Like the man who cheated
(20:39):
on her is a very famous man whose TV show
that made him so famous is about to come out.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I know, isn't that a coincident?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, exactly. And there's so much which I do I
do love that move from her. She's like, before he
does the whole press tour for Stranger Things, She's like,
I'm getting in first.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It was so calculated and absolutely brilliant marketing. So we
know that they split up at the end of last year,
and she wrote this album super quickly, wrote it in
ten days, so I'm assuming that she's kind of producing
at post producing it, but she's gone, this guy's going
to launch his final season of Stranger Things in a.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Month, and I'm going to get my start of the
story out there first, and I'm going to get him
and just saying to fans like, hey, I've got an
album coming out in a few days, and that being
enough to like get everyone so intensely excited. And for
this to be like have this huge, successful launch without
doing any kind of like East Rokes Countdowns huge promo,
I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, Obviously Lily Allen is very famous in the UK,
and here in America she's not super well known. She
admits that she talks about how when she was living
in Brooklyn in New York, no one knew who she was.
So I quite like the idea of this album bringing
her to an American yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
One hundred percent. This could be your first time listening
to Lily Allen and as much as like her other
albums are incredible, like you could just fall in love
with her from this album absolutely, which I think is
super interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I want to start with West End Girl, which
is the first song in the album, and the whole
song is she picks up her kids. They moved to Brooklyn.
They moved to New York, the kid's aunt, David's kids,
and she's there. She's really happy. They have this home
in Brooklyn, which was in Architectural famously.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Where she referenced in the song because she says that
song found ourselves a good mortgage, Billy Cotton sorted, So
Billy Cotton is the designer who made that crazy talked
about home that went a bit viral of Architectural Diagasse.
So she's kind of really as much as she says,
like a lot of this album isn't fact to some
of it is fiction. But then she's dropping all these
little clues through there where she's talking about very small
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yet significant parts of her life where she's trying to
bread come like this is the part that's completely true,
This isn't part of the fiction writing.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, so she gets a role in this west End play.
In one of the comments the person in this song
makes to her is oh, you didn't have to audition,
and it screams this kind of insecurity on his partner.
I know when she was doing press for this, she
was lauded with awards for this particular performance. So this
particular west End plague is called two twenty two a
ghost Stories. It's back in twenty twenty one that she
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had this. It's only a year after they got married.
So she gets this role. It's unexpected. She's really excited
about it. But David's response is like very lukewarm in
the press for it, He's kind of going, I've been
in one hundred thousand players and I've never been, you know,
awarded of anything. So he's trying to make these jokes. Now,
there is a letter that he wrote to her on
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her opening night, and she posted this on her Instagram
stories and someone stuck it back up. I'm going to
read this to you. It's really quite telling of this
my ambitious wife. These are bad luck flowers, because if
you get reviewed well in this play, you'll get all
kinds of awards and I will be miserable your loving husband.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's almost like that whole like Kristen Baldek, Shepherd.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Doesn't mind the same.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's cute if you look at it one way, because
he's like alluding to these, you're like part of me
is like, Oh, it's a couple that's so secure in
their relationship that out of these they have their own
language and jokes that don't upset them because they're so
secure in it. But obviously looking back on it, knowing
what happens next, it does make a lot of sense
that it's like he's trying to sort of make a joke,
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but it's showing his insecurities. Because the thing our David
Harbor is like, yes, he's known for stranger things, and yes,
now he's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and he's seen
as this like action hero, but for the whole start
of his career he was very much like, I'm a
theater guy. He would go and do like these small
like theater festival circuits and small towns and things. And
he always talks about that in a way of like
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I'm a real actor. I'm not a Hollywood actor. So
I think her coming in doing a West End play,
which is seen as something that only real actors do,
did really upset him, Like he just wanted her to
be like, I'm the real actor and you're a pop
star turned kind of wife now and I love. Also,
the full circleness of this is that she was on
the West End and another player again this year and
got really good reviews. So it wasn't like a flash
(24:53):
in the pan. She did it again.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She's clearly a very talented performer. And I mean, I
think when they met she was a few years sober.
I think she was only a year sober when they
got together, or even less than that, like she was
quite early in her sobriety. You know, we had lockdown,
stranger things was just giant, gigantic. He was having his
moment they made on RAYA, and then things just sort
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of change for them and he asks for an open relationship,
which is where things seem to kind of really start
to unravel, and we sort of start to see that
in the album.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, So it was this kind of understood thing that
she's spoken about where they had an open relationship but
with rules around what he was allowed to do, what
she was allowed to do. And the idea that he
broke those rules and had more of an emotional affair
is kind of what led to this album. And this
is something she gets onto in the next song on
the album, Ruminating, where she talks about there's like a
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line when she says, I'm not hateful, but you make
me hate her. She gets to sleep next to my
medicator and I can't shake the image of her naked
on top of you, undissociated, and she keeps saying, like,
if this casual sex had to happen, why do I
have to know? Which is this idea of her kind
of realizing what had happened with this affair.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, and it looks like it's not just a single
woman as well, Like I mean, he was talking about
being in a relationship. But in the song pussy Palace,
that is a cutting, cutting character analysis of David Harber
that one and four chance Stan they got they played
back to back. This is her I'm really mad at
this guy, and this guy's a pig and I'm going
(26:27):
to uncover him. In the chorus of pussy Palace, she goes,
I didn't know it was a pussy purlas I always
thought it was a dojo, and so I'm looking at
a sex addict, And so she talks about him being
a sex addict. Then she talks about her finding butt plugs,
Trojans Loube all of his stuff in this secret apartment
in the West Village that he apparently had that was
basically just a place where he took women, And that's
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the accusation he's making. And now four chance Stan she's
basically call him a really sad man. I didn't know
what a four chance stan man was. Did you know
what it meant. I'd never heard that phrase before I have,
I didn't know what it was. But apparently a four
chance Stan it's like someone who's really deep into four
chan and thinks they're really like ahead of the curb,
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but they're kind of a bit of an in cell.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, which would make a lot of context in
one and what she's singing about and what she's saying,
And also the interesting thing about all these different stories
about her talking about the different layers of her discovering
him cheating, discovering it was an emotional affair, and discovering
it with so many women, discovering he had a whole setup.
I've seen a few people sort of be like, oh,
but like, if they're an open relationship, then she has
(27:34):
no right to be upset, or she has no right
to do this whole album about his infidelity if it
was a set up thing.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Still a huge betrayal if like, as a couple, you
have like there's parameters that you have to follow, and
then just to find out that he's not only broken
all of those rules, but he's gone off in all
these different directions of like having an active profile on Raya,
which is again a very public thing, of like he's
married to Lily Allen, but he's still looking for these
very exclusive hookups of him sort of the allegation of
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him befending all these women on Instagram and like chasing
them down and having this sort of residence. And then
the song Mad, which is the one everyone is talking
about finding out that it was more than just sex
allegedly with this woman, that sort of seems for like
the most heartbreaking thing of the whole album.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Absolutely, and I definitely had that thought when I first
saw it. I was like, if there'd ation really open relationship,
that it's not cheating. She was very interesting how she
said it because she's like, oh, this is a gray
area in this when you talk about our open relationship.
You put rules and parameters in place, like you said,
but there is a gray area when someone breaks those rules. Now,
if she was coerced into making this decision to be
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in an open relationship, which is kind of what you
get the sense from from the album. Now, we don't
know what this situation was, but that's kind of what
we get from it. I don't know if you agree.
And I've got the sense that she was really encouraged
to do this. She didn't really want to, but you
kind of had to.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, that's the feeling I got, especially as the song's
progress in the album, that she didn't come into it
thinking like I really want to be in an open
marriage and that's how I want to live. She gave
him the green flag to do that because it was
a way to keep this like former kind of fairy
tale marriage, not just a fairy tale marriage for them,
but also this very public kind of fairy tale marriage
of everyone being obsessed with them as a couple and
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them doing so much publicity and pressed together, and then
it kind of became like that was the make or
break of them staying together. So she said yes, not
realizing how badly it was going to escalate.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, So let's talk a little bit more about Madeline,
because that's the one that's like really given people a
lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes. So, I mean, this whole song is very incredible,
but there's a line that is particularly being pulled out
by people where she says.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
We had an arrange one a street and the rebated
it had to be a stranger. But you're not a stranger, Maud.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You can have sex with sex workers and it needs
to be no emotions attached to it. Yes. So the
woman who is apparently Madeleine is a costume designer called
Natalie Tippett. Now she met David in twenty twenty one
and that while working on the set of his film
We Have a Ghost. So she's actually come out and
spoken and made a statement about this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, she's given almost like a long form interview to
the Daily Mail The Mail on Sunday. And what's so
interesting about this is that I'm so shocked that she
has come forward so quickly. It's this idea of like
who is Madeline. As soon as the album came out,
people started hunting for Madeline. They were going back through
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like old photos and stories and like old gossip sites
and things, trying to piece it together. But as far
as I could tell, there wasn't a straight line to her.
But the male somehow found her and she agreed to
this interview. And what's kind of interesting is like Lily
Allen kept saying like, oh no, Madeleine's not like a
specific not that she's not a specific person at a mala, yes,
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and she's like, I'm using a different name, and she's
like and a lot of this is also fiction, Like
she wasn't trying to set people off to find this woman,
but that is what happened. It's almost like when Beyonce
was like seeing about Becky with the good hair, and
people just really like went trying to find that. But
in this case, she did give an interview. So she's
a thirty four year old single mother. She lives in
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New Orleans. Even when they were speaking to her, they're
just like the journalist who's writing up this interview is
describing what it's like inside her home while she's talking
about being the woman that cheated with David Harbor and
Lily Allen and saying like, oh, she's you know, she's
sitting in this beautiful home and her kid is like
running in and out, and it's just like almost like
a feature piece. While being a sort of like confessional,
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Natalie then said to the journalist that she is very
reluctant to sort of hit back, or very reluctant to
have her story turned into like this big kind of public,
international story, but she feels like she's had no choice
but to speak about it. So the journalist asked she's
heard the album, specifically if she's heard the song Madeline,
and she said, of course, I've heard the song, and
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apparently she rolled her eyes. That's what the journalist has said,
and then she wanted to say it, but I have
a family in things to protect. I have a two
and a half year old daughter, and I understand that
this is going on. It's all a little bit scary
to me.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But the way that it's described in the song is
that Madeleine didn't know that they weren't allowed to be
like apparently David had told her. Yeah, so the way
that it's voiced in the song, it's a bit of
a caricature.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well exactly, they basically have all these text messages, which
we now are all real read out in a sense,
like in the song saying like, oh I didn't I
didn't know this is going to happen, and I'm so
sorry and I don't want to hurt you. And there's
a part where she's like, let me know if you
want any more information, let me know if you want
more about this, like I'm trying to sort of help,
and then apparently she told the journalists that she knew
(33:01):
prior to the album being released that all her text
messages were included in the song, and then she said, yes,
I knew, but I just don't feel comfortable talking about
it at this moment, which I understand. Like, I just
hope Natalie's got some people around her, because I just
feel like this is doing this interview, but they're not
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You've invited them into your home, but now you don't
want to talk about it, like you're cutting it off
before it's even started.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, I just hope she's got some people around her
because it just seems like she's a single mother who
met this man while she was working on a TV
show and he was the star, and he told her
this is the story that she's told. But he told
her that he had an open marriage from his very
famous wife and they could absolutely hook up. And so
they did that, and she believed him, and she's a
lot younger than him. And then apparently when filming wrapped,
(33:45):
he flew her to Atlanta when he was based without
telling Lily Allen's this is this whole story.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Let's not attack this woman.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And then she's coming out and giving it into you
about it, but also not giving her side of the story.
I just feel like it's put a big target on
her head. Yeah, but she has she's got nothing out
of it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
She hasn't explained it well enough to warrant her actually
speaking up. Do you know what I mean. She's brought
this person into her home, she's brought this journalist to
tell her side of the story. But then as god,
actually I don't want to tell myself of the story.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I think what's really interesting to me is the massive,
massive social media outrage since this album has been released.
David Harbor has had to switch off all of the
comments on his Instagram. Yeah, everything has been switched off.
I went back through it. I found one that didn't
get switched off. I imagine that because it's quite a
laborious task that they didn't do one. The comments are vitriolic, Yeah,
(34:38):
like you are horrible, You're disgusting, Like it's pretty vile,
Like I don't think what he did is very good.
And I love this album and I love Lily Allen
and screw him, but it's not nice to see all that.
It's pretty intense. It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
At the end of the day, she's an artist, and
I feel like she should be able to put this
out into the world. And I was kind of on
the fence about like the timing of it, because I
feel like she put it out when she was in
a huge emotional state and she was kind of really
in the midst of feeling this pain, and so for
any other human being, i'd say, like, that's probably not
the thing to do. But when you're an artist of
like especially of that caliber, and you like right from
(35:14):
the heart like that, it's almost like she needed to
do that to have this album be out in the world.
And yes, there's going to be fallout for it, but
it almost feels justified for what's happened. And yeah, David
Harbor is going to cop it, but you know he's fine.
He's a big action star. The industry loves him, like,
he's going to be fine. I just I'd be more
(35:35):
interested what comes out from Natalie Tippett now that she's
outed herself as the Madeline without sort of giving any
context and has asked to be left alone. But I
knew nothing about this woman prior to this, and now
I know where she lives, I know the area she lives,
I know how old her daughter is. I know a
little bit about like the cadence of their day when
she's talking about that, Like, I just feel like Madeline
(35:57):
should have stayed just a kind of far away figuring
an idea and I shouldn't know how old her daughter
is is kind of what I'm getting from that. But yeah,
overall the album, yes, that's a.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Whole around that back the albums. The album is amazing.
I'm are such a big fan. This is mind blowing album.
It's gotten very very good reviews by like musical reviewers,
so I would highly recommend listening to it. It's freakin' messy,
and David Harbor is actually a bit of a prick.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, sometimes breakups just have to be messy. I feel
like this whole, like you know, we're best friends, conscious
on coupleeen, like that's at the doll, Like we're back
to messy celebrity breakups.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
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(36:53):
Bye
Speaker 3 (36:58):
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