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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck
and I am Tina Burke is pop culture and social editor.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You really got home there in the last line, because
at first you were saying it like your name was
a question. It's very I am Ron Burgundy film and command,
so true.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's how I feel every time I'm like, who am I?
What am I? And what do I believe in? I
don't know?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And would you believe? That's not what we're talking about
the show today, but we can talk about it afterwards.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If you're pondering that. No coming up on the show today.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
As we move forward towards the release of Wicked for Good,
which is the second half of the Wicked movie, which
is coming out in just a few weeks, one big
question is swirling, and that is around the relationship status
of Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater. We're going to get
into that because there's a report so a breakup, there's
reports of an engagement. It's going all these different ways.
(01:15):
Plus the front runners from the Oscar Race have emerged,
and this year it's shaping up to be a story
of underdogs, people who haven't been giving a chance. But
the biggest nominees are also the most famous and.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Beautiful women in the world. So we're getting get into
that because it's underdogs of a beautiful nature. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
The Oscar Race this year is shaping up to be
absolutely crazy. But first, there is something I'm quite excited about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh my god, what so in unexpected turn of events,
something I never thought I'd say. I think next year
that my favorite creator of TV will be Kim Kardashian
say more things.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, not my favorite person on TV creator of TV. Okay,
I feel like a lot of people think, with like
her show All's Fair coming out next week and her
stint on American Horror Story, that this acting thing for
her is like just a bit of a flash in
the pan. Yeah, but it's actually her kind of full
blower new career path. And not only is she sort
(02:13):
of positioning herself as a leading lady, she's also positioning
herself as a creative force behind the scenes, like a
Shonda Rhyans or a Ryan Murphy or a Mindy Kayaling.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's the kind of way she's going. Yeah she is.
I don't know. I guess I was one of those
people who did not think that this was going to
be a thing, but I guess it is. It is
a thing.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And also, look, you know, she's a business savvy woman,
so I feel she's faring well behind the camera. So
this particular segment is all looked on an upcoming TV
show called Calabasas. That's the same so Kim Kardashian to
make a whole show just about your own suburb, but
carry on, tell the people completely about that. So it's
called Calabasas and it's executive produced by Kim Kardashian and
Emma Roberts.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I like that. Yeah, that's the good.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So Emma Roberts has her production company, and the two
of them met while starring together in American Horror Story Delegates.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They were the two co leads, and they got on
right like because the vibe was a bit like, oh,
Kim Connacht, what's it going to be like? But they're
behind the scenes. Stuff was very supportive.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, I mean to the point where they've now gone
into business together. I feel like that's an extra step
up for workers. Yeah, we're not starting a business together
just yet. Well, we'll see what happens after.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
This episode has finished.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So they came together to make this TV series, and
when they sort of put it out to the world,
there was a huge bidding war in April of this year,
with of course old money bags Netflix coming in and
securing it. So can I tell you what the show
is about that Kim Kardashian is making, because I feel
like you'll really care.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
First of all, Kim Kardashian, one of the most famous, polarizing,
beautiful women in the whole world. At the end of
the day, is just like us. She's just an elder
millennial who was craving I mean, sorry, you're so young.
It's fine summer.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
At the end of the day, she is just an
elder millennial craving the glory days of teen TV, which
is the late nineties and early two thousands. So she
is endeavoring to make a new TV show that is
the next oc All, the next Beverly Hills, No, No
two on. Oh that's crazy coming from her, But she's
(04:18):
just trying to like curate TV for Northwest. I don't
think Northwest is watching TV. No, she's too cool. The
kids don't watch the TV is after like whatever, after TikTok.
This show's for us. But I love that because with
the exception of the summer I term pretty, which obviously
then went into like college years, we haven't had like
(04:40):
teen high school shows of that nature in a while.
There's been a lot of comedies we've loved, never have
aver that was a good time on Netflix, but there's
not been an OC. There's not been like a Gossip Girl.
I mean, they tried to reboot Gossip Girls, but it
didn't work. Just nothing as grabby, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But you know what all those teen TV shows had
in common, not just so they had they were about
these crazy lives of these beautiful teens who looked and
acted like adults, is that they all started with a
fish out of water story. So the OC, you have
Ryan right being an Orange County and like kind of
being in the crazy rich world. Even Gossip Girl is
Dan coming into like the world of the Upper East Siders.
(05:18):
That fancy kind of plays. Beverly Hills nine O two
to one zero is the Walsh siblings moving to Beverly
Hills and getting caught up in that world. So it's
a willing formula, and this new TV show Calabasas is
going to follow that tried and true storyline. So it's
about Via, who is a sixteen year old and this
is from the production notes they put out, sheltered midwestern
(05:39):
Catholic schoolgirl, I mean already whose world is turned upside
down when her family moves and she's forced to transfer
to the fast world of Calabasas High, where nothing is
as it appears and everyone is trying to be someone else.
It's a place where dreams come true, but not without
complications and unforeseen consequences.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hook it to my mood. I want to watch its true.
And Kim Kardashian is playing the sixteen year old Vietna.
I fully was like, all right, literally, I'll believe it.
I'll do it. I'm intrigued. Okay, First of all, I
have to say, like the thing of like nothing is
as it seems, but everything could also be as it
seems at all. Like I love that. They're like, that's
(06:22):
just classic description where I have no concept of what
this show is kind of. But but I'm also okay
with it because it tells me everything I need to know.
But it's also everything, but it's everything because it's nothing
and everything all at once. I like that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, exactly, So that's the kind of place right. Here's
the interesting thing is who she's brought in to work
on the Kimkardashian has brought into work on the project
with her. So the original person working on this show
for over a year was I'm Marlene King.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You know that, I know her name. What they do,
the creator behind Pretty Little Liars, that's good shows from Yeah,
like she knows like how to make a good TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So she worked it from a year. She's left the project.
I'm sure it was just one of those things where
she had to move on. Yeah, and Kim has brought
in Chris Van Dolson, who was all right, yeah, right, yes,
but tell the people. As soon as I saw his
name on it, I'm like, well, this is going to
be a huge hit. So he's created a lot of
incredible TV. But he's also known for creating a little
(07:18):
show called Bridgeton and serving as the executive producer and
showrunner on the first two seasons of Bridgington. Yeah, and
now he has come on to like steer the ship
of making Calabasas with Kim Kardashian and Emma Roberts.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
This is, I think the thing that sells me, because
I mean, I like, I'll watch pretty much any teen
drama you put in front of me just to see
what the vibe is. I like the nostalgia of the
way they make me. I don't know, it's nice to
look back sometimes and be like, oh, the teen dramas,
whatever bit of fun. I'm intrigued by the Kim and
the Emma of it all. Can't wait to see what
that's all about, and that what they're bringing to the table.
(07:52):
But season one and two of Bridgeton were just like
top tier television in my household, and for many Bridgeton fans,
no shade, no hate to Jess Bromwell. There was a
distinct shift between season two and season three. Whunn not
to say that the show became still really enjoyed season three,
but there was a distinct difference. And I am a
(08:14):
big fan of the television that Chris produces and that
it like you get brought into. So I'm interested in that. Yeah,
So we have no run date for that yet they're
still casting, they're still putting it together. I think they're
gonna go like an unknown route or are they gonna
have to No, I think I'll pick someone who's had
a few like small buzzy roles. Yeah, but this will
(08:35):
be their kind of big, big break through role because
whoever they bring in for the like, for that lead
role of a TV is like this, It's all going
to kind of really hinge on their performance and also
their chemistry with the rest of the cast. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And yeah, Kim Kardashian just out there making the TV
we all want to see. I was reading the trade
stories announcing this and they were all like when Kim
Kardashian discovered Bridgeton because remember how like when Bridgington came out.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, she became such a fan. She was so cringe.
She's so may again, she's all of us. She just
sits in her living room and posts photos of her
TV on her Instagram story, which was what I do
as well. Yeah, to show the people.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't sometimes get away the ending to movies like
Spider Man like she did. But but yeah, from the
moment she did that, she was like, you know what,
I'm going to find the showrunner of this show that
I've just discovered him and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And she's really leveraged those like celebrity friendships and connections,
right because it all stemmed from like, oh, like Ryan
Murphy thinks I'm cool and could maybe be making a cameo,
and then that's turned into like a role, and then
that's turned into like leading and starring. I want to
say all's fair. Yeah great, I was gonna say it's
a fair play. But like, and I know you're going
to talk about this on the pod at some stage,
I'm sure, but like she's now leading lady material, Like
(09:45):
she's now a big deal. So now that she's leveraging
that to go, like I'm actually behind the scenes executive producer,
I guess go for it, because like, if you don't
want to be a lawyer anymore, why not Exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So now we move on to one of my favorite
subjects to discuss, and I talk about this stuff so
much the point that I have been asked to leave
dinner parties and family gatherings and sometimes even meetings at
work when people we get it, Laura, and that is
who is going to win the Oscars at the upcoming ceremony.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's important to share opinions about that based on like
pretty much nothing in my experience. Well, I just feel
like the lead up.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I feel the same way about the Oscars as people
do about Christmas. And I don't mean that I like
them the same amount of people like Christmas, although potentially
that's true. I also think that the build up is
the fun part.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, bit of fun. Yeah, the build up, the pre events,
the stories that come out of it. You know how
people like love putting up their Christmas tree and going
to events more than they like the actual day. That's
me with the Oscars.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, And in that time of the year when the
Oscar campaigns are starting to form, movies are starting to
come to the front, actors especially are like very carefully
starting to build their platforms. But because like the nominations
and that hasn't happened yet, it's all very up in
the air, like this is go time behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Can I say something controversial? Oh please do it? Of
our careerssus isn't a word you should find me that alone.
I actually don't care who really I care, don't care who,
No one I ever wins. So like that you do care.
I think I have feelings and I love the Oscars,
(11:24):
but I think, like, you're really good at this. Person
might win for this, This thing's gonna win for this.
This is the big talking point. And I'm like, I
hope they all have a good time. Yeah, I'm less
worried about that. I just want the story. Because the
thing is art is so subjective.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I don't believe you can actually pick who is the
best performer.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can't, but you can. Well no, but it's not
even that because Oscars aren't one on performances.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Every so often a performance comes through. It might just
be that the others are a sort of as show
stopping as one performance that will come through, or just
be so original and someone expected that that you're like, oh,
that's the performance I should win. But Oscars notoriously a
one on the campaign, the backstory of the actor and
the movie. The performances still have to be good. But
if you've got five great performances, you can't separate them
(12:12):
by who's the best, because that's subjective. Yeah, and so
it all comes down to, well, it comes down to money.
It comes down to who the studios are going to
push forward. But it also comes down to who can
weave a good story so true. And this year, what
I've started noticing that's very interesting is as the Oscar
campaigns all start to float to the surface of Hollywood,
one major trend is coming through and that this year
(12:33):
is going to be very much about comeback stories and
also people who are seen as underdogs, who have been
seen as shunned by the industry. But the names who
are in that pool are so unexpected because they're not
long suffering character actors who have always been great but
have never been seen as superstars. They're not people who
have like been you know, background actors and are suddenly
(12:54):
getting a lead role. They're not people who are doing
their first movie role. They're some of the most famous
names in the world who have been famous for decades
that are now being seen as like the Oscar kind
of like contenders who are coming from a place of
like having a comeback to us, which is so incrasing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, because we always talk about how like for women
to win an Oscar, like they've got to be the
young twenty one year old or like they've got to
be like fresh to the it has to be their
first big hit and she's won an Oscar and look
at her story. So it's interesting that you've picked out
that there's some women this time around. In particular, we
were giving us Cinderella story Underdog. Yeah. What the Oscars
are really good at doing is they're really good at
(13:33):
doing it. It's time Oscar where someone who has just
been very good for many, many years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Leonardo DiCaprio, Well, he's probably gonna win again this year
for one battle after another, which is kind of like,
I'm like, guys, should we not have waited till he
was actually in the movie that I actually think controversial.
I think he should have won for Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yes, same, Yeah, I don't think it should have been
the Bear movie. So I was so not loud and
that's why I shouldn't be judging me. Yeah, but even
like his bestdie Kate Winslet, like was the reader her
best for all ever? No Oscar. Yeah, Sandra Bullock, the
blind side was that she should have won for Gravity. True,
(14:13):
but it was.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Just time for her to have an Oscar, And which
is kind of nice. It's people saying, hey, you've been
working really hard and you've made a lot of good
stuff and there's a lot of different reasons why you
haven't won, and so this year we're just going to
slot you in to make sure that you definitely win.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And the same with Jamie Lee Curtis. Love Jamie Lee
Curtis famously, Yes, big fan, big fan of this podcast,
like and she also likes us. She likes us because
she was on the podcast and she shared our video. Anyway,
she did when she won her oscar for everything, everywhere,
all at once. It was for her career because even
(14:49):
in that movie she wasn't the best supporting actress, she
was good. They're sad at that whole crop of people. Nah, no,
in my opinion, just you know, career, like you said.
But they didn't want to give it to her for
like all her amazing work and horror film like other
like you know, beloved comedies and things like that. It's
not like she wasn't worthy of an oscar. It's just
(15:09):
that they weren't sure when her name would come up again,
and so they wanted to give her one to sort
of say, like, we see everything you've done in your career. Yeah,
I like that because often I don't know, you know,
like in primary school, when people win awards knowing just
don't think it was deserved. But fine, that's kind of
how the Oscars feels. Sometimes everyone gets one. Well, it
(15:30):
would be nice if someone could win one who just
like kind of deserves it. Maybe not in this instance,
but you go, you know what, she didn't win the race,
but she's really been running for a while.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I just feel like we need to figure it out
how to give like Lifetime Achievement Awards at the Oscars,
but have it be an Oscar. Yeah, and maybe I
have one because I guess we're stuck.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Outside of like Cecil. I want to say, Cecil, no,
because you still have to go through a lot of
different groups that you're not going to get that for
just being in twenty years of the Halloween franchise, even
though I do do, You're not going to be that
for being like the golden girl of Hollywood comedies, do
you know what I mean? Like there needs to be
something something else.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, not a popular vote, because the Oscars did try
that and they had to scrap that because it was wildly.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
They were like, we're not actually the LOGI swiming to
have a different set.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So some of the campaigns that we're seeing surface this year.
This is one that I talked about the other day,
and this is kind of got my head thinking that
maybe I'm also part of the problem because Kiss of
the Spider Woman, which is out in Australian cinemas this week,
I haven't seen it because no one invited me to
a previous screening.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, what was that about, guy? So we were all
about this job story. Who I was ready to start
the Oscar campaign for her and your underground in Reddit
for us starting room. I guess I'll just go buy
my own. There's Oscar's bus for Jennifer Lopez and it's started.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
No, it started at the Sunday Andance Film Festival, so
that's where this movie premiered.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And now a lot of the trade publications have reported
that this is the biggest Oscar campaign they've seen for
a movie go into full swing and there's a few
moving parts. So obviously Jennifer Lopez is being really positioned
as an overlooked underdog. That is the platform that she
is unofficially running on. So she's not saying that, she
is saying I don't think about oscars. Yes, I was
(17:12):
disappointed that one time I got passed over for Hustlers,
but I've let it go. Now you can't think about oscars.
It's all about the work. That's her party line, because
she can't come out and say what her team is
saying behind the scenes, which is this woman has been overlooked.
She has been left out, shut out in the cold,
and this is her year because obviously she was passed
over for Hustlers, but before that, she was passed over
for Selena, her breakout role in nineteen ninety seven. That's
(17:34):
the one that shocks me. Yeah, I think, like I mean,
I was simply a child running around when that movie came,
and even you were like, she should have wanted the Oscar, Jenifer,
and then people thought also out of sight another b
breakout role. Yeah, that would have been at least not
to win the Oscar. But it was surprising that she
didn't get She she didn't get a nomination or once
is a nomination? Can I be clear she doesn't even
(17:55):
want to literally WoT. Yeah, even last year's Unstoppable, I
know that didn't get Oscar bars, but I think when
they were making it that's where they thought it was going.
So this year it's come out that Jennifer Lopez is,
along with the whole movie, is very much chasing this
Oscar buzz. She's putting herself into the supporting actress category,
which is a very clever move on her behalf thing
(18:15):
because it's two.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Actors and her, and so it's one of those ones
where she's kind of a lead. She's definitely the lead actress,
but putting herself into the supporting character category is going
to make her stand out more, which is a trick
a lot of actresses do when they're technically the lead,
so when they go into supporting they look even more.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, that's really impressive. Yeah, because they're a bigger part,
they've got more screen time, they're not competing against other actresses.
Like very famously, if there's two actresses in the one
movie and they go into the same category, they split
the vote and cancel each other. So it kind of
makes her the clear front runner. Yeah, that's so interesting
because you see it, I mean, like you said, you
see it with the film, but you see it a
lot with those big ensemble casts on TV shows where
(18:59):
they have like the same amount of screen time and
then this one are supporting in this one's main and
it's like you've just done it to wine when everyone
does it, So I kind of like that she's like
playing the game a little bit. Yeah, exactly. So she
is like the standout show piece female performance in that movie,
which is going to make her stand out more to voters.
And also the Oscars like as much as they've tried
to bring diversity, and it's still a very old school
(19:21):
kind of guild of people voting. It's very old school people.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And so this is obviously based off a really famous
Broadway play, it's based on a famous movie.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They've redone it. But also the Oscars very historically love
properties like that that have been reinvented, and sometimes they
also really love a musical if it's done the right way. Yeah.
I mean, they bloody loved Amelia Perez and we could
argue that was not done the right way.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And apparently that's why she's putting herself into also the
musical comedy sections. Yeah, so that can springboard her in
the same way Amelia Perez did into those nominations, which
brings us to the next actress, who is also being
positioned as an underdog, who is also putting herself into
all the musical comedy categories even though this movie apparently
(20:04):
is not a comedy, but she's hoping that will springboard
her to the Oscars. And this is someone who is
being also positioned as someone in desperate need of a
career comeback. And this underdog is called Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Academy of Kami won, Golden Girl, Box Office superstar Kate Hudson.
Will someone give the kid a break? Oh? Will someone
give her a chance? Please? She's only starring on a
Netflix show that it's been renewed for. That is what
people are saying, that she's had a career.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
When I started hearing people talking about Kate Hudson as
an underdog in need of a career comeback, I was like,
I'm sorry, have I like, do I have a head injury?
What is happening here that I am I'm misreading the room.
But then variety posts of this article why Kate Hudson
could be the Oscar comeback story of the year, and
I was like, Okay, I'm not imagining this. I like
(20:57):
to have a giggle and I look at them in
a way, yes, and we can get to it. Kate
and j Loo of like underdogs in a sense in Hollywood,
in how they're viewed. But I don't like this thing
where we're just like acting as though women of a
certain age in Hollywood are underdogs in need of a comeback,
purely because like they're not the young hot thing anymore.
Kate has been a leading projects pretty steadily. If you
(21:17):
kind of thread between the lines, I understand what they're saying,
because it has been twenty five years since her first
and only Oscar nomination for Penny Lane and Almost Famous. Yeah,
and that was also her first big breakout role. So
it's like the daughter of this like famous Hollywood superstar
all of a sudden breaks onto the scene. Everyone's obsessed
with her. She stars in one of the most iconic
(21:39):
movies of all time, and she is the breakout star
of that, Like she is the best part of that
movie by far.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Everyone's obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She gets an Oscar nomination, she doesn't win, but that's
very par for the course for women sort of coming
up through the ranks. That's why Mikey Madison was a
surprise this year, because normally they'd make her wait another
fifteen years and then everyone's like, Kate Hudson is going
to be a multi Oscar winner. She's going to be
the star of all these incredible indie movies and all
the they thought she was going to be like, yeah,
she was going to go that way and be like
(22:06):
a serious in history actress.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah. And then she went the other way.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And she became this rom com comedy, box office magnet
leading lady.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah. And I understand that because, like, I get it,
she's not the actress. The people thought that she would
be same as Jlo, right, Like Selena was like, this
is a star, yeah, and then she says they meeting
men have the actress yeah, and they're like, that's not
what a real actress would do. And I get it
because it's true. Yes, like they've diverged from that sort
of prestigious realm. But I still am just like they're
(22:37):
a star to me, So I like it. But I
do understand that in an Oscar sense, Yeah, this is
they're an underdog. It's weird and it's a common actresses
get to do both. But I almost think like, is
it better in a way to go and be the
Hollywood leading lady? Yes, there are so many Yeah, I
actually think I think a few years ago I would
have said no, I'd want to be the Oscar winning actress.
(22:57):
I want to be the one whose name is on
like the iconic lists, and I want the industry to
think I was great. But now I think, would I
rather be the star of everyone's favorite movies? Like you
see Kate Hudson and you're just like, love that girl.
You have been part of the best moments of my life.
And I started the movies so many times and being
(23:17):
like I love you and yeah, And it's so funny
because like it's almost like Emma Stone, as an example,
went the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Because when Emma Stone came onto the scene, it felt
like she was going to be gearing up for Yeah.
It was like easy A and all those kind of
and you know, all those kind of comedies. It felt
like she was going to be the big screen box
office hit comedy queen. And then she completely veered the
other way and has now gone into doing only these
(23:43):
kind of very small, low budget dramatic roles. And she
makes movies to be fair that like we see them, yeah,
but I don't think most people see a lot of
these movies she's been in lately. But she's won two
Oscars exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And it's the same as jylaw Right, like Jennifer Lawrence
and Everstone, two besties who did the same sort of thing,
came up in these really like high profile roles, like
blockbuster situations. Obviously with jaylaw there was Winter's Bone and
that was more Indian Oscar worthy, but then they very
quick We're like, no, no where, serious actors. And obviously that
has worked really well for them. Everyone still loves them,
like every red carpet they do or interview, their charm
(24:18):
and their personality comes through. But people are crying out
for those women to be in a blockbuster. I knowone
wants so bad, but we're like, we respect you anyway.
I guess, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's like once you do your franchise and like they
tick that off the list and they now can just
make their indie movies. So this movie that Kate Hudson
is apparently only nominated for for an Oscar is called
Song Sung Blue, and it's with Hugh Jackman, and so
you know, it's got the whole trail a little.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, the trailer looks I'd love it, but yeah, I
know the comments were me no, but the report again,
I haven't seen it. The reports, the reviews of her.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Performance like this is one of the greatest things we've
ever seen. It transcends movie making, it transcends storytelling.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I'm not even paraphra. That is no, literally, that is
what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's so crazy, apparently, and she is positioning herself again
a little bit like Jennifer Lopez is in the initial
for like golden globes and things, which can be a
springboard to oscars in the comedy musical section, which apparently
is going to create a hugely tight race between her
and Cynthia a revocals. She'll probably go out for best
and chase Infinity for one battle after another, so it's
(25:23):
going to be between the three of them. And then
just to finish up, the other little underdog name that's
been thrown into the mix and is under the banner
of won't someone give this girl a chance?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is a little actress by the name of Julia Roberts.
Please when someone think of Julia, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's been more than twenty isn't She won her Oscar
for Erin Barrokovich and everyone is calling her performance and
after the hunt her best performance since Erin Barrokovitch, which
is a long time between drinks when you're one of
the most celebrated actresses in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, and I haven't gotten to see After the Hunt yet.
I'm really desperate to see it. I was away when
they were screenings, but she looks like just scary and
terrifying and amazing in the trailer alone. So I'm believing
all the hype. I'm believing all the abuse that this
is a stand up perform to her. Well, apparently it's
going to come down to her and Jennifer Lopez. That's
a crazy duo. I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And even though obviously Julia Roberts has already won an Oscar,
so she doesn't have that complete underdog story that Jennifer.
The fact that we're using these words right avs it
was crazy. But this is how crazy the oscars are,
Like they make successful, famous people look like the kind
of most struggling people.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And Demi Moore last year, right like that was the
whole thing. It's a comeback for Demi Moore, and she
positioned it that way. It was all throughout the substance
press run. But like, no, she's just a really successful
person still being successful. But I get where it comes from.
I understand was the story she was telling me that
whenever she won, she got up on stage and be
like everyone overlooked me, no one believed me. I've never
been given a chance. I was told it was a
(26:47):
popcorn actress, and now I'm a real actress. And I
feel like that carried her all the way through to
nearly winning the Oscar, of having that story. And so
now Julia Roberts's story with After the Hunt is that
after she won that Oscar, she was sort of meant
to go from being a comedic leading lady to a
dramatic leading lady, and people thought she would have won
another Oscar by now, and so this is kind of
seen as her career comeback, yea, even though I'm sure
(27:09):
she wouldn't see it that way. Yeah, it's so interesting
because that popcorn actress thing really sold me on. Like
it's obvious all the time, but the double standard for
women in Hollywood, because you've got Matthew McConaughey starring in
Bloody Fool's Gold and then winning Oscars and then going
back to silly movies and then doing great things again,
like men are allowed to have these varied careers of
like the highbrow and the lowbrow, but when the women
(27:30):
do it all like, because Julia Roberts has done many
highbrow things in this time period that maybe she wasn't
nominated for, but they were very like artiste, artistic things
like it still is seen as a comeback story because
it's like, well, you didn't win, so therefore, like it
wasn't a success, but the men are allowed to kind
of bounce around the genres of It's fine exactly, So
I support all of these comeback stories, these underdog women
(27:54):
who you know, the poor gals. Won't someone think of
Julia Roberts as you said, Well, speaking of movies, it'll
be dominating the Oscars this year. Wicked for Good is
going to be in our screens very very soon. And
even though it was nominated last year because the original
Broadway production was split into two movies, which I, as
the world's biggest Wicked fan, was personally against when I
(28:16):
heard it. But when I sat through the two and
a half hours of that first movie sobbing uncontrollably, I
was like, this was the right call. It was, And
also like, this year's gone so fast anyway, I couldn't
tell you a single thing that happened so like Wicked
Part two, here we are. I'm fine, Like I didn't
feel it, you know, that was the big worry, Like
what if you get bored between the two films? Like
now I'm good, Well, I'm excited. We did not. So
(28:38):
as we're sort.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Of moving into like the launch period and where like
the cast is about to start doing you know, all
the big premieres and start doing press again, They've all
started posting different things to their social accounts for the
build up.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
One question has risen up.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And I know that I'm absolute trash for talking about this,
but you know, light and shade on this podcast. The
question is, is the very infamous and polarizing love story
that came from filming of Wicked is that relationship over?
And that is of course between Ariana Grande who played
Glinda and Ethan Slater who played Bok.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Super forwarding question, do you want to tell the listeners
what you felt in your heart of hearts when you
saw the two of them at the premiere in Sydney. No,
it wasn't the premiere.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
This is amazing, so when this story came out that
let me just explain what led to this because it's
not great. So they both cast the movie That's all
fun and good and a fun time. Ariana Grande at
the time is married to Normy Dalton Gomez. Yes, and
they had that very very chic wedding, remember that very chic.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, we're unexpected too, because they had started dating in
COVID So that was like, here's our wedding chic. Yeah,
because I've been together for a few years but out
of the public eye.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So people were like, oh my god. And they had
just had it at their home and she had the
beautiful little like shoulder length poofy veil and it was
and just the flowers hanging from the roof.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It was chic. And she was the biggest platform here
and she was still shorter than him. That's a dream. Yeah,
Oh my god, I'd love to be that tiny. Just
who wish it was this fun. Well, that's the.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Takeaway from this second, that is. And then also cast
in the movie was Broadway star Ethan.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Slater, also known as SpongeBob.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes, because he played SpongeBob in the Broadway production of
SpongeBob SquarePants exactly, which I'm sad that I missed, but
I've heard his great in it, heard good things, but
people really loved him because they're like, you know, it's
great to have a proper Broadway start in the movie.
He had gotten a lot of rave reviews for his
performances prior, and people also thought it was really sweet
that he was married to his high school sweetheart, Lily J.
(30:39):
They had just welcomed to baby, who I think was
a toddler at the time. They were going to film.
There was heaps of photos of the cast going out
to dinner. It was very lovely, and until it came
out that Ariana Grande and Dalton Gomez were divorcing, and
Ethan Slater and Lily J were also divorcing, and there
were all those rumors around they were together, but at
first one really believed it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It seems like too crazy. Yeah, it was crazy because
I remember vividly because arion Ja went to Wimbledon with
Jonathan Bailey and she wasn't wearing her ring and everyone went,
wait what, and people started reporting that she was dating Jonathan.
It was like, guys, I don't think I don't think
that's happened. I'm sure she'd be in love with him.
I don't think he's in love with that. We'd all
love to dream, we'd all love to dream dating that
(31:21):
we could be with Jonathan, but it was like, I
think they're broken up, and then very shortly after it
was I think she's dating that redhead guy from Wicked
who just divorced his wife.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Too, And then it came out that she was indeed
dating SpongeBob Bock, And there was a lot of anger
around that from people, which I understand. Yeah, but you know,
there was a lot of questions around timelines of like
had they gotten together while filming was happening. They both
said they're both had relationships were over long before it happened,
but there was a lot of questions around that. Arianna,
of course, being the woman, got very unfairly like the
(31:52):
brunt of the public outcry.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I think because of some things that happened in
her relationships when she was younger, particularly with like Big Sean,
which is written about by Nira Vara in her book, Like,
she had previously had situations where she had ended up
with someone who was already in a relationship with someone else.
She had some timelines that people were conflicting when she
was younger, and so she was painted with this brush
as like a home wrecker. Yeah, and then that was
(32:16):
very very intensely applied here exactly. And it didn't help
when Lily ethan Slater's ex wife, started also sharing her
side of the story to some extent. So she did
an interview with Page six where she said that Ariana
Grande was not a girl's girl and said that her
family had been collateral damage by her. I was nuts,
also very fair. If I'm Lily Jay in this situation,
(32:38):
I'm probably feeling the exact same way. I did. Think
it was wild to put the onus on her and
not her own husband in that quote. But I get
she was mad and that's her personal life. But to
be like, Ari's not a girl's girl and my family's
collateral damage. I think your husband did that.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I know, but I though I agree, I would be
about it. I'd be like, yeah, she's not a girl's girl,
which is the worst, and I felt say about.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Something awful for her. My god, because then it all
played out on a really public stage, oh exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And that's something she remember how she released that personal
essay because she's a clinical psychologist in mental health and
child development, and she wrote this huge essay reflect on
how her divorce from Ethan Slater had impacted her both
personally and professionally, and it was meant to be more
of like a mental health essay, but obviously because it
was written about famous people who she didn't go into
details about them, but she did say that it was
(33:24):
really difficult to see the end of her marriage play
out as part of the Wicked press tour. Yeah, and
in the essay she said, no one gets married thinking
they'll get divorced in the same way we don't bought
a plane expecting a crash. But I never thought I
would get divorced, And then she went on to say
that especially not just after giving birth to my first child,
and especially not in the shadow of my husband's new
(33:44):
relationship with a celebrity. And Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater
have never gone into detail on that, but an interview
with Fatity Fair, Arianna did say that some of the
negativity around her was being spread by tabloids, so she
said it's not true and she's like, the most disappointing
part of having her new relationship be part of this
movie was to see so many people believe the worst
(34:06):
version of it. It was definitely a tough ride for her,
and she also really came out singing in defense of
Ethan in this profile, and so there couldn't be a
less accurate depiction of a human being and the one
the tabloids have spread about him saying that she won't
go into certain detail about what has happened, but saying
that everything we've been told is a lie.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Basically, she's so interesting because she also released her album
Eternal Sunshine in twenty twenty four and then the deluxe
version this year, which obviously has so many lyrics about
Dalton and then so many lyrics about Ethan, and one
of the lines in the song Hampstead, which is pretty
much about like the breakdown of her marriage in the
public eye. She was living in Hampstead when they filmed Wicked.
She has this line that's like I threw away my
(34:44):
reputation but saved us more heartache. I know it seems
fucked up, and you're right, but frankly, you're still wrong
about everything. And people think that's sort of a song
dedicated in a way to the fans to be like,
you are wrong and you're telling me who I am
as a person, But I know when I was there yeah,
and throughout the lyrics of all the songs, it kind
of pieces together that she either left the relationship or
(35:04):
he left her, but that their relationship was breaking down
for some time, and that it was not there was
no cheating or affair according to her version. Yeah, it's
so interesting to the timing all that, because I feel
like she would have been seen unfairly as a homewrecker
and he would have been seen as this dirtbag who
left his wife if it wasn't for the Wicked press tour,
because that could have gone very badly for them. But
(35:25):
it actually made people forget about all this sort of
drama that had happened to an extent and just start
fangirling over them as a couple.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Because even, like Ovi said, we had the first Wicked
premiere here in Sydney and they didn't walk through a
carpet together and they weren't speaking about each other, but
they did as they left the stage, they ran off
together and they held hands and I was like, oh,
it's so cute, two tiny little people running off stage.
But also everyone was like, how could she leave her
husband for him?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
He's ugly? So it's so many Actually, there's so much
wrong with this. I was just like, yeah, yeah, everyone's
like it's really hard because at the center of it
there is a woman who had a baby who's been
left by her husband, and we feel for that woman,
but it's layered, it's layin. At the same time, we're
just like, who would date that ugly? And I was like,
everything about this conversation is the worst at Anyway, I
went to interview him the next day and I sat
(36:16):
in a room across from that man. Yeah, you have
to say, charming as hell, interesting, you gotta get it.
I was like, I came back to the office and
I was like, what was ethan slaterer like to interview?
And I was like, I get why you leave your
husband for him? He can sing, he's charismatic, he was
lovely and pleasant. He was self deprecating, but not in
a weird way. And that's only after like a ten
minute interaction. Yeah, you have to think they've been on set,
(36:39):
they're filming becoming friends. Is it bad and inappropriate that
they probably developed some feelings while still in relationships. Yeah,
that sucks for the other people. It happens, unfortunately, And
I don't know thing that's kind of got people talking now,
So their whole meeting and getting together actually happened many
(37:00):
years ago. Yes, because yeah, because they filmed Wicked a
few years ago, and also then they had to sort
of slice the movie in half.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So if that's to be told, they've been together for
like well over three years now. And there's a few
different rumors that are popping up now as the next
Wicked movie is about to come out. The first one
is that they had a showmance on set and that
the story around them was so intense and it would
be more focused on their breakup if people knew they
were broken up, so they pretended to stay together for
(37:27):
the first press tour. Interesting, that's the first rumor the
second room that's come out, and a lot of this
has come from the MTV VMA's you Know how Ariana
one Video of the Year and all the family and friends.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
There was no Ethans later. Yeah, I think that if
they're still together, I just don't think they'd be doing
that stuff anyway. I think given the scrutiny and the
fact they have a whole other film coming out. I
know that throughout part one it increasingly became like their'd
hold hands or she'd make sure that you know she
included him in a picture or like whatever it may be.
There were slight things that showed the relationship that they
(37:58):
weren't hiding it. But I also think if they're all together,
they would still feel like it's too soon publicly to
have a big moment at an awards show. Yeah, but
also like I do I get it right, it's weird
that he's not there in the behind the scenes pictures.
It's weird that he's not a dafter party, like it's like,
where's he? Then, well, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
So people thought when he didn't go to that event
and celebrate her, that was a sign they've broken up.
They've always been careful not to really be out and
about and not get papped, just because of the scrutiny
around their relationship. But there's been a lot of instances
where they've been pictured solo now for like very long
periods of time which people think they have broken up.
They always share work things about each other on socials,
but that's also kind of bed to a cover. So
(38:36):
now the two stories that are coming out are there's
one camp of people that's getting much louder that think
they have broken up. But they're keeping it under wraps
until this movie is out so that that breakup doesn't
overshadow the press tour and also the Oscar campaign that's
around the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
All.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
The other school of thought, which is wildly in the
different direction, is that they've actually been very much together
for nearly four years now and they are going to
get married two wildly different ways, two very different things.
I think the telling thing, maybe for me, is like
she's wiped her socials of.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Some of his presence. Interesting, there's been some posts that
have been removed featuring him, and like, I guess I
would see that as a sign that you've split.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
That is usually what a busy celebs do. They wipe
their profiles once they spat with someone.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I don't know, I guess if they're engaged. Oh God,
I sound really flippant and I'm aware about it. I'm
no real information about this, and I think that's why
people are digging so much at the moment. They're digging
to see. Like the other day, people were timing how
long it took Ariana Grande to like something that Ethan
had posted, and she liked it within the first twenty minutes,
and they were like Oh, that means they're together, and
(39:44):
someone else is like no, no, no, it means that she's like,
was watching his Instagram and she's liking it to three people.
So that's how intense the fans are getting, which I
think is making them eat more. They're being careful, you think.
And yeah, and like like I said, I know I
sound a bit flippant, but like, if they're happy and
whatever and in love, I know that lots of horrible
things had to happen for them to get there. But
like I guess, like, good for you guys, get engaged.
(40:06):
I don't know, what do you think. I mean, I'll
be interested to know either way, Like I think it's
normal human curiosity just to know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But also, at the end of the day, I'm just
so excited for Wicked for good and I'm sure they'll
just make it through the press rounds and then I think,
I think we won't have an answer, and after the
dust settles with the Academy Award nominations, and after that
there's stakes in Wicked and that whole franchise will be done,
and I think that's when we'll see either way. Won't
get an answer till there.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, But I do think we'll be able to dissect
enough from the press tour, right, because so many of
those moments were just in things that fans caught yeah
last time, rather than like intentionally being in each other's
like spaces. So if you know that, if there's no
pictures coming out of them secretly holding hands, there's no
pictures of them like sneaking away from a party together,
(40:52):
it's pretty telling. But either you're right, we won't know. Yeah,
a bit of detective work is in store.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh god, well, thank you so much to everyone for
listening to this Spilltay, and thank you as always to
Tina for joining us and sharing your wisdom. Here feels
like the right point to tell you about our brand
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Speaker 1 (41:13):
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Love to see as my cheeks get redder and my
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get more excited about what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Spill is produced by Minsha's Warren, with sound production
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
You really got home there in the last line, because
at first you were saying it like your name was
a question. It's very I am Ron Burgundy film and command,
so true.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's how I feel every time I'm like, who am I?
What am I? And what do I believe in? I
don't know?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And would you believe? That's not what we're talking about
the show today, but we can talk about it afterwards.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If you're pondering that. No coming up on the show today.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
As we move forward towards the release of Wicked for Good,
which is the second half of the Wicked movie, which
is coming out in just a few weeks, one big
question is swirling, and that is around the relationship status
of Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater. We're going to get
into that because there's a report so a breakup, there's
reports of an engagement. It's going all these different ways.
(01:15):
Plus the front runners from the Oscar Race have emerged,
and this year it's shaping up to be a story
of underdogs, people who haven't been giving a chance. But
the biggest nominees are also the most famous and.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Beautiful women in the world. So we're getting get into
that because it's underdogs of a beautiful nature. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
The Oscar Race this year is shaping up to be
absolutely crazy. But first, there is something I'm quite excited about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh my god, what so in unexpected turn of events,
something I never thought I'd say. I think next year
that my favorite creator of TV will be Kim Kardashian
say more things.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, not my favorite person on TV creator of TV. Okay,
I feel like a lot of people think, with like
her show All's Fair coming out next week and her
stint on American Horror Story, that this acting thing for
her is like just a bit of a flash in
the pan. Yeah, but it's actually her kind of full
blower new career path. And not only is she sort
(02:13):
of positioning herself as a leading lady, she's also positioning
herself as a creative force behind the scenes, like a
Shonda Rhyans or a Ryan Murphy or a Mindy Kayaling.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's the kind of way she's going. Yeah she is.
I don't know. I guess I was one of those
people who did not think that this was going to
be a thing, but I guess it is. It is
a thing.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And also, look, you know, she's a business savvy woman,
so I feel she's faring well behind the camera. So
this particular segment is all looked on an upcoming TV
show called Calabasas. That's the same so Kim Kardashian to
make a whole show just about your own suburb, but
carry on, tell the people completely about that. So it's
called Calabasas and it's executive produced by Kim Kardashian and
Emma Roberts.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I like that. Yeah, that's the good.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So Emma Roberts has her production company, and the two
of them met while starring together in American Horror Story Delegates.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They were the two co leads, and they got on
right like because the vibe was a bit like, oh,
Kim Connacht, what's it going to be like? But they're
behind the scenes. Stuff was very supportive.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, I mean to the point where they've now gone
into business together. I feel like that's an extra step
up for workers. Yeah, we're not starting a business together
just yet. Well, we'll see what happens after.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
This episode has finished.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So they came together to make this TV series, and
when they sort of put it out to the world,
there was a huge bidding war in April of this year,
with of course old money bags Netflix coming in and
securing it. So can I tell you what the show
is about that Kim Kardashian is making, because I feel
like you'll really care.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
First of all, Kim Kardashian, one of the most famous, polarizing,
beautiful women in the whole world. At the end of
the day, is just like us. She's just an elder
millennial who was craving I mean, sorry, you're so young.
It's fine summer.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
At the end of the day, she is just an
elder millennial craving the glory days of teen TV, which
is the late nineties and early two thousands. So she
is endeavoring to make a new TV show that is
the next oc All, the next Beverly Hills, No, No
two on. Oh that's crazy coming from her, But she's
(04:18):
just trying to like curate TV for Northwest. I don't
think Northwest is watching TV. No, she's too cool. The
kids don't watch the TV is after like whatever, after TikTok.
This show's for us. But I love that because with
the exception of the summer I term pretty, which obviously
then went into like college years, we haven't had like
(04:40):
teen high school shows of that nature in a while.
There's been a lot of comedies we've loved, never have
aver that was a good time on Netflix, but there's
not been an OC. There's not been like a Gossip Girl.
I mean, they tried to reboot Gossip Girls, but it
didn't work. Just nothing as grabby, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But you know what all those teen TV shows had
in common, not just so they had they were about
these crazy lives of these beautiful teens who looked and
acted like adults, is that they all started with a
fish out of water story. So the OC, you have
Ryan right being an Orange County and like kind of
being in the crazy rich world. Even Gossip Girl is
Dan coming into like the world of the Upper East Siders.
(05:18):
That fancy kind of plays. Beverly Hills nine O two
to one zero is the Walsh siblings moving to Beverly
Hills and getting caught up in that world. So it's
a willing formula, and this new TV show Calabasas is
going to follow that tried and true storyline. So it's
about Via, who is a sixteen year old and this
is from the production notes they put out, sheltered midwestern
(05:39):
Catholic schoolgirl, I mean already whose world is turned upside
down when her family moves and she's forced to transfer
to the fast world of Calabasas High, where nothing is
as it appears and everyone is trying to be someone else.
It's a place where dreams come true, but not without
complications and unforeseen consequences.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hook it to my mood. I want to watch its true.
And Kim Kardashian is playing the sixteen year old Vietna.
I fully was like, all right, literally, I'll believe it.
I'll do it. I'm intrigued. Okay, First of all, I
have to say, like the thing of like nothing is
as it seems, but everything could also be as it
seems at all. Like I love that. They're like, that's
(06:22):
just classic description where I have no concept of what
this show is kind of. But but I'm also okay
with it because it tells me everything I need to know.
But it's also everything, but it's everything because it's nothing
and everything all at once. I like that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, exactly, So that's the kind of place right. Here's
the interesting thing is who she's brought in to work
on the Kimkardashian has brought into work on the project
with her. So the original person working on this show
for over a year was I'm Marlene King.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You know that, I know her name. What they do,
the creator behind Pretty Little Liars, that's good shows from Yeah,
like she knows like how to make a good TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So she worked it from a year. She's left the project.
I'm sure it was just one of those things where
she had to move on. Yeah, and Kim has brought
in Chris Van Dolson, who was all right, yeah, right, yes,
but tell the people. As soon as I saw his
name on it, I'm like, well, this is going to
be a huge hit. So he's created a lot of
incredible TV. But he's also known for creating a little
(07:18):
show called Bridgeton and serving as the executive producer and
showrunner on the first two seasons of Bridgington. Yeah, and
now he has come on to like steer the ship
of making Calabasas with Kim Kardashian and Emma Roberts.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
This is, I think the thing that sells me, because
I mean, I like, I'll watch pretty much any teen
drama you put in front of me just to see
what the vibe is. I like the nostalgia of the
way they make me. I don't know, it's nice to
look back sometimes and be like, oh, the teen dramas,
whatever bit of fun. I'm intrigued by the Kim and
the Emma of it all. Can't wait to see what
that's all about, and that what they're bringing to the table.
(07:52):
But season one and two of Bridgeton were just like
top tier television in my household, and for many Bridgeton fans,
no shade, no hate to Jess Bromwell. There was a
distinct shift between season two and season three. Whunn not
to say that the show became still really enjoyed season three,
but there was a distinct difference. And I am a
(08:14):
big fan of the television that Chris produces and that
it like you get brought into. So I'm interested in that. Yeah,
So we have no run date for that yet they're
still casting, they're still putting it together. I think they're
gonna go like an unknown route or are they gonna
have to No, I think I'll pick someone who's had
a few like small buzzy roles. Yeah, but this will
(08:35):
be their kind of big, big break through role because
whoever they bring in for the like, for that lead
role of a TV is like this, It's all going
to kind of really hinge on their performance and also
their chemistry with the rest of the cast. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And yeah, Kim Kardashian just out there making the TV
we all want to see. I was reading the trade
stories announcing this and they were all like when Kim
Kardashian discovered Bridgeton because remember how like when Bridgington came out.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, she became such a fan. She was so cringe.
She's so may again, she's all of us. She just
sits in her living room and posts photos of her
TV on her Instagram story, which was what I do
as well. Yeah, to show the people.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't sometimes get away the ending to movies like
Spider Man like she did. But but yeah, from the
moment she did that, she was like, you know what,
I'm going to find the showrunner of this show that
I've just discovered him and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And she's really leveraged those like celebrity friendships and connections,
right because it all stemmed from like, oh, like Ryan
Murphy thinks I'm cool and could maybe be making a cameo,
and then that's turned into like a role, and then
that's turned into like leading and starring. I want to
say all's fair. Yeah great, I was gonna say it's
a fair play. But like, and I know you're going
to talk about this on the pod at some stage,
I'm sure, but like she's now leading lady material, Like
(09:45):
she's now a big deal. So now that she's leveraging
that to go, like I'm actually behind the scenes executive producer,
I guess go for it, because like, if you don't
want to be a lawyer anymore, why not Exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So now we move on to one of my favorite
subjects to discuss, and I talk about this stuff so
much the point that I have been asked to leave
dinner parties and family gatherings and sometimes even meetings at
work when people we get it, Laura, and that is
who is going to win the Oscars at the upcoming ceremony.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's important to share opinions about that based on like
pretty much nothing in my experience. Well, I just feel
like the lead up.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I feel the same way about the Oscars as people
do about Christmas. And I don't mean that I like
them the same amount of people like Christmas, although potentially
that's true. I also think that the build up is
the fun part.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, bit of fun. Yeah, the build up, the pre events,
the stories that come out of it. You know how
people like love putting up their Christmas tree and going
to events more than they like the actual day. That's
me with the Oscars.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, And in that time of the year when the
Oscar campaigns are starting to form, movies are starting to
come to the front, actors especially are like very carefully
starting to build their platforms. But because like the nominations
and that hasn't happened yet, it's all very up in
the air, like this is go time behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Can I say something controversial? Oh please do it? Of
our careerssus isn't a word you should find me that alone.
I actually don't care who really I care, don't care who,
No one I ever wins. So like that you do care.
I think I have feelings and I love the Oscars,
(11:24):
but I think, like, you're really good at this. Person
might win for this, This thing's gonna win for this.
This is the big talking point. And I'm like, I
hope they all have a good time. Yeah, I'm less
worried about that. I just want the story. Because the
thing is art is so subjective.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I don't believe you can actually pick who is the
best performer.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can't, but you can. Well no, but it's not
even that because Oscars aren't one on performances.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Every so often a performance comes through. It might just
be that the others are a sort of as show
stopping as one performance that will come through, or just
be so original and someone expected that that you're like, oh,
that's the performance I should win. But Oscars notoriously a
one on the campaign, the backstory of the actor and
the movie. The performances still have to be good. But
if you've got five great performances, you can't separate them
(12:12):
by who's the best, because that's subjective. Yeah, and so
it all comes down to, well, it comes down to money.
It comes down to who the studios are going to
push forward. But it also comes down to who can
weave a good story so true. And this year, what
I've started noticing that's very interesting is as the Oscar
campaigns all start to float to the surface of Hollywood,
one major trend is coming through and that this year
(12:33):
is going to be very much about comeback stories and
also people who are seen as underdogs, who have been
seen as shunned by the industry. But the names who
are in that pool are so unexpected because they're not
long suffering character actors who have always been great but
have never been seen as superstars. They're not people who
have like been you know, background actors and are suddenly
(12:54):
getting a lead role. They're not people who are doing
their first movie role. They're some of the most famous
names in the world who have been famous for decades
that are now being seen as like the Oscar kind
of like contenders who are coming from a place of
like having a comeback to us, which is so incrasing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, because we always talk about how like for women
to win an Oscar, like they've got to be the
young twenty one year old or like they've got to
be like fresh to the it has to be their
first big hit and she's won an Oscar and look
at her story. So it's interesting that you've picked out
that there's some women this time around. In particular, we
were giving us Cinderella story Underdog. Yeah. What the Oscars
are really good at doing is they're really good at
(13:33):
doing it. It's time Oscar where someone who has just
been very good for many, many years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Leonardo DiCaprio, Well, he's probably gonna win again this year
for one battle after another, which is kind of like,
I'm like, guys, should we not have waited till he
was actually in the movie that I actually think controversial.
I think he should have won for Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yes, same, Yeah, I don't think it should have been
the Bear movie. So I was so not loud and
that's why I shouldn't be judging me. Yeah, but even
like his bestdie Kate Winslet, like was the reader her
best for all ever? No Oscar. Yeah, Sandra Bullock, the
blind side was that she should have won for Gravity. True,
(14:13):
but it was.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Just time for her to have an Oscar, And which
is kind of nice. It's people saying, hey, you've been
working really hard and you've made a lot of good
stuff and there's a lot of different reasons why you
haven't won, and so this year we're just going to
slot you in to make sure that you definitely win.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And the same with Jamie Lee Curtis. Love Jamie Lee
Curtis famously, Yes, big fan, big fan of this podcast,
like and she also likes us. She likes us because
she was on the podcast and she shared our video. Anyway,
she did when she won her oscar for everything, everywhere,
all at once. It was for her career because even
(14:49):
in that movie she wasn't the best supporting actress, she
was good. They're sad at that whole crop of people. Nah, no,
in my opinion, just you know, career, like you said.
But they didn't want to give it to her for
like all her amazing work and horror film like other
like you know, beloved comedies and things like that. It's
not like she wasn't worthy of an oscar. It's just
(15:09):
that they weren't sure when her name would come up again,
and so they wanted to give her one to sort
of say, like, we see everything you've done in your career. Yeah,
I like that because often I don't know, you know,
like in primary school, when people win awards knowing just
don't think it was deserved. But fine, that's kind of
how the Oscars feels. Sometimes everyone gets one. Well, it
(15:30):
would be nice if someone could win one who just
like kind of deserves it. Maybe not in this instance,
but you go, you know what, she didn't win the race,
but she's really been running for a while.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I just feel like we need to figure it out
how to give like Lifetime Achievement Awards at the Oscars,
but have it be an Oscar. Yeah, and maybe I
have one because I guess we're stuck.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Outside of like Cecil. I want to say, Cecil, no,
because you still have to go through a lot of
different groups that you're not going to get that for
just being in twenty years of the Halloween franchise, even
though I do do, You're not going to be that
for being like the golden girl of Hollywood comedies, do
you know what I mean? Like there needs to be
something something else.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, not a popular vote, because the Oscars did try
that and they had to scrap that because it was wildly.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
They were like, we're not actually the LOGI swiming to
have a different set.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So some of the campaigns that we're seeing surface this year.
This is one that I talked about the other day,
and this is kind of got my head thinking that
maybe I'm also part of the problem because Kiss of
the Spider Woman, which is out in Australian cinemas this week,
I haven't seen it because no one invited me to
a previous screening.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, what was that about, guy? So we were all
about this job story. Who I was ready to start
the Oscar campaign for her and your underground in Reddit
for us starting room. I guess I'll just go buy
my own. There's Oscar's bus for Jennifer Lopez and it's started.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
No, it started at the Sunday Andance Film Festival, so
that's where this movie premiered.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And now a lot of the trade publications have reported
that this is the biggest Oscar campaign they've seen for
a movie go into full swing and there's a few
moving parts. So obviously Jennifer Lopez is being really positioned
as an overlooked underdog. That is the platform that she
is unofficially running on. So she's not saying that, she
is saying I don't think about oscars. Yes, I was
(17:12):
disappointed that one time I got passed over for Hustlers,
but I've let it go. Now you can't think about oscars.
It's all about the work. That's her party line, because
she can't come out and say what her team is
saying behind the scenes, which is this woman has been overlooked.
She has been left out, shut out in the cold,
and this is her year because obviously she was passed
over for Hustlers, but before that, she was passed over
for Selena, her breakout role in nineteen ninety seven. That's
(17:34):
the one that shocks me. Yeah, I think, like I mean,
I was simply a child running around when that movie came,
and even you were like, she should have wanted the Oscar, Jenifer,
and then people thought also out of sight another b
breakout role. Yeah, that would have been at least not
to win the Oscar. But it was surprising that she
didn't get She she didn't get a nomination or once
is a nomination? Can I be clear she doesn't even
(17:55):
want to literally WoT. Yeah, even last year's Unstoppable, I
know that didn't get Oscar bars, but I think when
they were making it that's where they thought it was going.
So this year it's come out that Jennifer Lopez is,
along with the whole movie, is very much chasing this
Oscar buzz. She's putting herself into the supporting actress category,
which is a very clever move on her behalf thing
(18:15):
because it's two.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Actors and her, and so it's one of those ones
where she's kind of a lead. She's definitely the lead actress,
but putting herself into the supporting character category is going
to make her stand out more, which is a trick
a lot of actresses do when they're technically the lead,
so when they go into supporting they look even more.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, that's really impressive. Yeah, because they're a bigger part,
they've got more screen time, they're not competing against other actresses.
Like very famously, if there's two actresses in the one
movie and they go into the same category, they split
the vote and cancel each other. So it kind of
makes her the clear front runner. Yeah, that's so interesting
because you see it, I mean, like you said, you
see it with the film, but you see it a
lot with those big ensemble casts on TV shows where
(18:59):
they have like the same amount of screen time and
then this one are supporting in this one's main and
it's like you've just done it to wine when everyone
does it, So I kind of like that she's like
playing the game a little bit. Yeah, exactly. So she
is like the standout show piece female performance in that movie,
which is going to make her stand out more to voters.
And also the Oscars like as much as they've tried
to bring diversity, and it's still a very old school
(19:21):
kind of guild of people voting. It's very old school people.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And so this is obviously based off a really famous
Broadway play, it's based on a famous movie.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They've redone it. But also the Oscars very historically love
properties like that that have been reinvented, and sometimes they
also really love a musical if it's done the right way. Yeah.
I mean, they bloody loved Amelia Perez and we could
argue that was not done the right way.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And apparently that's why she's putting herself into also the
musical comedy sections. Yeah, so that can springboard her in
the same way Amelia Perez did into those nominations, which
brings us to the next actress, who is also being
positioned as an underdog, who is also putting herself into
all the musical comedy categories even though this movie apparently
(20:04):
is not a comedy, but she's hoping that will springboard
her to the Oscars. And this is someone who is
being also positioned as someone in desperate need of a
career comeback. And this underdog is called Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Academy of Kami won, Golden Girl, Box Office superstar Kate Hudson.
Will someone give the kid a break? Oh? Will someone
give her a chance? Please? She's only starring on a
Netflix show that it's been renewed for. That is what
people are saying, that she's had a career.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
When I started hearing people talking about Kate Hudson as
an underdog in need of a career comeback, I was like,
I'm sorry, have I like, do I have a head injury?
What is happening here that I am I'm misreading the room.
But then variety posts of this article why Kate Hudson
could be the Oscar comeback story of the year, and
I was like, Okay, I'm not imagining this. I like
(20:57):
to have a giggle and I look at them in
a way, yes, and we can get to it. Kate
and j Loo of like underdogs in a sense in Hollywood,
in how they're viewed. But I don't like this thing
where we're just like acting as though women of a
certain age in Hollywood are underdogs in need of a comeback,
purely because like they're not the young hot thing anymore.
Kate has been a leading projects pretty steadily. If you
(21:17):
kind of thread between the lines, I understand what they're saying,
because it has been twenty five years since her first
and only Oscar nomination for Penny Lane and Almost Famous. Yeah,
and that was also her first big breakout role. So
it's like the daughter of this like famous Hollywood superstar
all of a sudden breaks onto the scene. Everyone's obsessed
with her. She stars in one of the most iconic
(21:39):
movies of all time, and she is the breakout star
of that, Like she is the best part of that
movie by far.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Everyone's obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She gets an Oscar nomination, she doesn't win, but that's
very par for the course for women sort of coming
up through the ranks. That's why Mikey Madison was a
surprise this year, because normally they'd make her wait another
fifteen years and then everyone's like, Kate Hudson is going
to be a multi Oscar winner. She's going to be
the star of all these incredible indie movies and all
the they thought she was going to be like, yeah,
she was going to go that way and be like
(22:06):
a serious in history actress.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah. And then she went the other way.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And she became this rom com comedy, box office magnet
leading lady.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah. And I understand that because, like, I get it,
she's not the actress. The people thought that she would
be same as Jlo, right, Like Selena was like, this
is a star, yeah, and then she says they meeting
men have the actress yeah, and they're like, that's not
what a real actress would do. And I get it
because it's true. Yes, like they've diverged from that sort
of prestigious realm. But I still am just like they're
(22:37):
a star to me, So I like it. But I
do understand that in an Oscar sense, Yeah, this is
they're an underdog. It's weird and it's a common actresses
get to do both. But I almost think like, is
it better in a way to go and be the
Hollywood leading lady? Yes, there are so many Yeah, I
actually think I think a few years ago I would
have said no, I'd want to be the Oscar winning actress.
(22:57):
I want to be the one whose name is on
like the iconic lists, and I want the industry to
think I was great. But now I think, would I
rather be the star of everyone's favorite movies? Like you
see Kate Hudson and you're just like, love that girl.
You have been part of the best moments of my life.
And I started the movies so many times and being
(23:17):
like I love you and yeah, And it's so funny
because like it's almost like Emma Stone, as an example,
went the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Because when Emma Stone came onto the scene, it felt
like she was going to be gearing up for Yeah.
It was like easy A and all those kind of
and you know, all those kind of comedies. It felt
like she was going to be the big screen box
office hit comedy queen. And then she completely veered the
other way and has now gone into doing only these
(23:43):
kind of very small, low budget dramatic roles. And she
makes movies to be fair that like we see them, yeah,
but I don't think most people see a lot of
these movies she's been in lately. But she's won two
Oscars exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And it's the same as jylaw Right, like Jennifer Lawrence
and Everstone, two besties who did the same sort of thing,
came up in these really like high profile roles, like
blockbuster situations. Obviously with jaylaw there was Winter's Bone and
that was more Indian Oscar worthy, but then they very
quick We're like, no, no where, serious actors. And obviously that
has worked really well for them. Everyone still loves them,
like every red carpet they do or interview, their charm
(24:18):
and their personality comes through. But people are crying out
for those women to be in a blockbuster. I knowone
wants so bad, but we're like, we respect you anyway.
I guess, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's like once you do your franchise and like they
tick that off the list and they now can just
make their indie movies. So this movie that Kate Hudson
is apparently only nominated for for an Oscar is called
Song Sung Blue, and it's with Hugh Jackman, and so
you know, it's got the whole trail a little.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, the trailer looks I'd love it, but yeah, I
know the comments were me no, but the report again,
I haven't seen it. The reports, the reviews of her.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Performance like this is one of the greatest things we've
ever seen. It transcends movie making, it transcends storytelling.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I'm not even paraphra. That is no, literally, that is
what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's so crazy, apparently, and she is positioning herself again
a little bit like Jennifer Lopez is in the initial
for like golden globes and things, which can be a
springboard to oscars in the comedy musical section, which apparently
is going to create a hugely tight race between her
and Cynthia a revocals. She'll probably go out for best
and chase Infinity for one battle after another, so it's
(25:23):
going to be between the three of them. And then
just to finish up, the other little underdog name that's
been thrown into the mix and is under the banner
of won't someone give this girl a chance?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is a little actress by the name of Julia Roberts.
Please when someone think of Julia, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's been more than twenty isn't She won her Oscar
for Erin Barrokovich and everyone is calling her performance and
after the hunt her best performance since Erin Barrokovitch, which
is a long time between drinks when you're one of
the most celebrated actresses in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, and I haven't gotten to see After the Hunt yet.
I'm really desperate to see it. I was away when
they were screenings, but she looks like just scary and
terrifying and amazing in the trailer alone. So I'm believing
all the hype. I'm believing all the abuse that this
is a stand up perform to her. Well, apparently it's
going to come down to her and Jennifer Lopez. That's
a crazy duo. I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And even though obviously Julia Roberts has already won an Oscar,
so she doesn't have that complete underdog story that Jennifer.
The fact that we're using these words right avs it
was crazy. But this is how crazy the oscars are,
Like they make successful, famous people look like the kind
of most struggling people.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And Demi Moore last year, right like that was the
whole thing. It's a comeback for Demi Moore, and she
positioned it that way. It was all throughout the substance
press run. But like, no, she's just a really successful
person still being successful. But I get where it comes from.
I understand was the story she was telling me that
whenever she won, she got up on stage and be
like everyone overlooked me, no one believed me. I've never
been given a chance. I was told it was a
(26:47):
popcorn actress, and now I'm a real actress. And I
feel like that carried her all the way through to
nearly winning the Oscar, of having that story. And so
now Julia Roberts's story with After the Hunt is that
after she won that Oscar, she was sort of meant
to go from being a comedic leading lady to a
dramatic leading lady, and people thought she would have won
another Oscar by now, and so this is kind of
seen as her career comeback, yea, even though I'm sure
(27:09):
she wouldn't see it that way. Yeah, it's so interesting
because that popcorn actress thing really sold me on. Like
it's obvious all the time, but the double standard for
women in Hollywood, because you've got Matthew McConaughey starring in
Bloody Fool's Gold and then winning Oscars and then going
back to silly movies and then doing great things again,
like men are allowed to have these varied careers of
like the highbrow and the lowbrow, but when the women
(27:30):
do it all like, because Julia Roberts has done many
highbrow things in this time period that maybe she wasn't
nominated for, but they were very like artiste, artistic things
like it still is seen as a comeback story because
it's like, well, you didn't win, so therefore, like it
wasn't a success, but the men are allowed to kind
of bounce around the genres of It's fine exactly, So
I support all of these comeback stories, these underdog women
(27:54):
who you know, the poor gals. Won't someone think of
Julia Roberts as you said, Well, speaking of movies, it'll
be dominating the Oscars this year. Wicked for Good is
going to be in our screens very very soon. And
even though it was nominated last year because the original
Broadway production was split into two movies, which I, as
the world's biggest Wicked fan, was personally against when I
(28:16):
heard it. But when I sat through the two and
a half hours of that first movie sobbing uncontrollably, I
was like, this was the right call. It was, And
also like, this year's gone so fast anyway, I couldn't
tell you a single thing that happened so like Wicked
Part two, here we are. I'm fine, Like I didn't
feel it, you know, that was the big worry, Like
what if you get bored between the two films? Like
now I'm good, Well, I'm excited. We did not. So
(28:38):
as we're sort.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Of moving into like the launch period and where like
the cast is about to start doing you know, all
the big premieres and start doing press again, They've all
started posting different things to their social accounts for the
build up.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
One question has risen up.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And I know that I'm absolute trash for talking about this,
but you know, light and shade on this podcast. The
question is, is the very infamous and polarizing love story
that came from filming of Wicked is that relationship over?
And that is of course between Ariana Grande who played
Glinda and Ethan Slater who played Bok.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Super forwarding question, do you want to tell the listeners
what you felt in your heart of hearts when you
saw the two of them at the premiere in Sydney. No,
it wasn't the premiere.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
This is amazing, so when this story came out that
let me just explain what led to this because it's
not great. So they both cast the movie That's all
fun and good and a fun time. Ariana Grande at
the time is married to Normy Dalton Gomez. Yes, and
they had that very very chic wedding, remember that very chic.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, we're unexpected too, because they had started dating in
COVID So that was like, here's our wedding chic. Yeah,
because I've been together for a few years but out
of the public eye.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So people were like, oh my god. And they had
just had it at their home and she had the
beautiful little like shoulder length poofy veil and it was
and just the flowers hanging from the roof.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It was chic. And she was the biggest platform here
and she was still shorter than him. That's a dream. Yeah,
Oh my god, I'd love to be that tiny. Just
who wish it was this fun. Well, that's the.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Takeaway from this second, that is. And then also cast
in the movie was Broadway star Ethan.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Slater, also known as SpongeBob.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes, because he played SpongeBob in the Broadway production of
SpongeBob SquarePants exactly, which I'm sad that I missed, but
I've heard his great in it, heard good things, but
people really loved him because they're like, you know, it's
great to have a proper Broadway start in the movie.
He had gotten a lot of rave reviews for his
performances prior, and people also thought it was really sweet
that he was married to his high school sweetheart, Lily J.
(30:39):
They had just welcomed to baby, who I think was
a toddler at the time. They were going to film.
There was heaps of photos of the cast going out
to dinner. It was very lovely, and until it came
out that Ariana Grande and Dalton Gomez were divorcing, and
Ethan Slater and Lily J were also divorcing, and there
were all those rumors around they were together, but at
first one really believed it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It seems like too crazy. Yeah, it was crazy because
I remember vividly because arion Ja went to Wimbledon with
Jonathan Bailey and she wasn't wearing her ring and everyone went,
wait what, and people started reporting that she was dating Jonathan.
It was like, guys, I don't think I don't think
that's happened. I'm sure she'd be in love with him.
I don't think he's in love with that. We'd all
love to dream, we'd all love to dream dating that
(31:21):
we could be with Jonathan, but it was like, I
think they're broken up, and then very shortly after it
was I think she's dating that redhead guy from Wicked
who just divorced his wife.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Too, And then it came out that she was indeed
dating SpongeBob Bock, And there was a lot of anger
around that from people, which I understand. Yeah, but you know,
there was a lot of questions around timelines of like
had they gotten together while filming was happening. They both
said they're both had relationships were over long before it happened,
but there was a lot of questions around that. Arianna,
of course, being the woman, got very unfairly like the
(31:52):
brunt of the public outcry.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I think because of some things that happened in
her relationships when she was younger, particularly with like Big Sean,
which is written about by Nira Vara in her book, Like,
she had previously had situations where she had ended up
with someone who was already in a relationship with someone else.
She had some timelines that people were conflicting when she
was younger, and so she was painted with this brush
as like a home wrecker. Yeah, and then that was
(32:16):
very very intensely applied here exactly. And it didn't help
when Lily ethan Slater's ex wife, started also sharing her
side of the story to some extent. So she did
an interview with Page six where she said that Ariana
Grande was not a girl's girl and said that her
family had been collateral damage by her. I was nuts,
also very fair. If I'm Lily Jay in this situation,
(32:38):
I'm probably feeling the exact same way. I did. Think
it was wild to put the onus on her and
not her own husband in that quote. But I get
she was mad and that's her personal life. But to
be like, Ari's not a girl's girl and my family's
collateral damage. I think your husband did that.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I know, but I though I agree, I would be
about it. I'd be like, yeah, she's not a girl's girl,
which is the worst, and I felt say about.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Something awful for her. My god, because then it all
played out on a really public stage, oh exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And that's something she remember how she released that personal
essay because she's a clinical psychologist in mental health and
child development, and she wrote this huge essay reflect on
how her divorce from Ethan Slater had impacted her both
personally and professionally, and it was meant to be more
of like a mental health essay, but obviously because it
was written about famous people who she didn't go into
details about them, but she did say that it was
(33:24):
really difficult to see the end of her marriage play
out as part of the Wicked press tour. Yeah, and
in the essay she said, no one gets married thinking
they'll get divorced in the same way we don't bought
a plane expecting a crash. But I never thought I
would get divorced, And then she went on to say
that especially not just after giving birth to my first child,
and especially not in the shadow of my husband's new
(33:44):
relationship with a celebrity. And Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater
have never gone into detail on that, but an interview
with Fatity Fair, Arianna did say that some of the
negativity around her was being spread by tabloids, so she
said it's not true and she's like, the most disappointing
part of having her new relationship be part of this
movie was to see so many people believe the worst
(34:06):
version of it. It was definitely a tough ride for her,
and she also really came out singing in defense of
Ethan in this profile, and so there couldn't be a
less accurate depiction of a human being and the one
the tabloids have spread about him saying that she won't
go into certain detail about what has happened, but saying
that everything we've been told is a lie.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Basically, she's so interesting because she also released her album
Eternal Sunshine in twenty twenty four and then the deluxe
version this year, which obviously has so many lyrics about
Dalton and then so many lyrics about Ethan, and one
of the lines in the song Hampstead, which is pretty
much about like the breakdown of her marriage in the
public eye. She was living in Hampstead when they filmed Wicked.
She has this line that's like I threw away my
(34:44):
reputation but saved us more heartache. I know it seems
fucked up, and you're right, but frankly, you're still wrong
about everything. And people think that's sort of a song
dedicated in a way to the fans to be like,
you are wrong and you're telling me who I am
as a person, But I know when I was there yeah,
and throughout the lyrics of all the songs, it kind
of pieces together that she either left the relationship or
(35:04):
he left her, but that their relationship was breaking down
for some time, and that it was not there was
no cheating or affair according to her version. Yeah, it's
so interesting to the timing all that, because I feel
like she would have been seen unfairly as a homewrecker
and he would have been seen as this dirtbag who
left his wife if it wasn't for the Wicked press tour,
because that could have gone very badly for them. But
(35:25):
it actually made people forget about all this sort of
drama that had happened to an extent and just start
fangirling over them as a couple.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Because even, like Ovi said, we had the first Wicked
premiere here in Sydney and they didn't walk through a
carpet together and they weren't speaking about each other, but
they did as they left the stage, they ran off
together and they held hands and I was like, oh,
it's so cute, two tiny little people running off stage.
But also everyone was like, how could she leave her
husband for him?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
He's ugly? So it's so many Actually, there's so much
wrong with this. I was just like, yeah, yeah, everyone's
like it's really hard because at the center of it
there is a woman who had a baby who's been
left by her husband, and we feel for that woman,
but it's layered, it's layin. At the same time, we're
just like, who would date that ugly? And I was like,
everything about this conversation is the worst at Anyway, I
went to interview him the next day and I sat
(36:16):
in a room across from that man. Yeah, you have
to say, charming as hell, interesting, you gotta get it.
I was like, I came back to the office and
I was like, what was ethan slaterer like to interview?
And I was like, I get why you leave your
husband for him? He can sing, he's charismatic, he was
lovely and pleasant. He was self deprecating, but not in
a weird way. And that's only after like a ten
minute interaction. Yeah, you have to think they've been on set,
(36:39):
they're filming becoming friends. Is it bad and inappropriate that
they probably developed some feelings while still in relationships. Yeah,
that sucks for the other people. It happens, unfortunately, And
I don't know thing that's kind of got people talking now,
So their whole meeting and getting together actually happened many
(37:00):
years ago. Yes, because yeah, because they filmed Wicked a
few years ago, and also then they had to sort
of slice the movie in half.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So if that's to be told, they've been together for
like well over three years now. And there's a few
different rumors that are popping up now as the next
Wicked movie is about to come out. The first one
is that they had a showmance on set and that
the story around them was so intense and it would
be more focused on their breakup if people knew they
were broken up, so they pretended to stay together for
(37:27):
the first press tour. Interesting, that's the first rumor the
second room that's come out, and a lot of this
has come from the MTV VMA's you Know how Ariana
one Video of the Year and all the family and friends.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
There was no Ethans later. Yeah, I think that if
they're still together, I just don't think they'd be doing
that stuff anyway. I think given the scrutiny and the
fact they have a whole other film coming out. I
know that throughout part one it increasingly became like their'd
hold hands or she'd make sure that you know she
included him in a picture or like whatever it may be.
There were slight things that showed the relationship that they
(37:58):
weren't hiding it. But I also think if they're all together,
they would still feel like it's too soon publicly to
have a big moment at an awards show. Yeah, but
also like I do I get it right, it's weird
that he's not there in the behind the scenes pictures.
It's weird that he's not a dafter party, like it's like,
where's he? Then, well, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
So people thought when he didn't go to that event
and celebrate her, that was a sign they've broken up.
They've always been careful not to really be out and
about and not get papped, just because of the scrutiny
around their relationship. But there's been a lot of instances
where they've been pictured solo now for like very long
periods of time which people think they have broken up.
They always share work things about each other on socials,
but that's also kind of bed to a cover. So
(38:36):
now the two stories that are coming out are there's
one camp of people that's getting much louder that think
they have broken up. But they're keeping it under wraps
until this movie is out so that that breakup doesn't
overshadow the press tour and also the Oscar campaign that's
around the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
All.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
The other school of thought, which is wildly in the
different direction, is that they've actually been very much together
for nearly four years now and they are going to
get married two wildly different ways, two very different things.
I think the telling thing, maybe for me, is like
she's wiped her socials of.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Some of his presence. Interesting, there's been some posts that
have been removed featuring him, and like, I guess I
would see that as a sign that you've split.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
That is usually what a busy celebs do. They wipe
their profiles once they spat with someone.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I don't know, I guess if they're engaged. Oh God,
I sound really flippant and I'm aware about it. I'm
no real information about this, and I think that's why
people are digging so much at the moment. They're digging
to see. Like the other day, people were timing how
long it took Ariana Grande to like something that Ethan
had posted, and she liked it within the first twenty minutes,
and they were like Oh, that means they're together, and
(39:44):
someone else is like no, no, no, it means that she's like,
was watching his Instagram and she's liking it to three people.
So that's how intense the fans are getting, which I
think is making them eat more. They're being careful, you think.
And yeah, and like like I said, I know I
sound a bit flippant, but like, if they're happy and
whatever and in love, I know that lots of horrible
things had to happen for them to get there. But
like I guess, like, good for you guys, get engaged.
(40:06):
I don't know, what do you think. I mean, I'll
be interested to know either way, Like I think it's
normal human curiosity just to know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But also, at the end of the day, I'm just
so excited for Wicked for good and I'm sure they'll
just make it through the press rounds and then I think,
I think we won't have an answer, and after the
dust settles with the Academy Award nominations, and after that
there's stakes in Wicked and that whole franchise will be done,
and I think that's when we'll see either way. Won't
get an answer till there.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, But I do think we'll be able to dissect
enough from the press tour, right, because so many of
those moments were just in things that fans caught yeah
last time, rather than like intentionally being in each other's
like spaces. So if you know that, if there's no
pictures coming out of them secretly holding hands, there's no
pictures of them like sneaking away from a party together,
(40:52):
it's pretty telling. But either you're right, we won't know. Yeah,
a bit of detective work is in store.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh god, well, thank you so much to everyone for
listening to this Spilltay, and thank you as always to
Tina for joining us and sharing your wisdom. Here feels
like the right point to tell you about our brand
new YouTube channel where you can watch this show every day,
so you can see my dramatic hands flying around.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Such good content.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Love to see as my cheeks get redder and my
hair gets flutter as the show goes along as I
get more excited about what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So that's fun.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
So we've actually popped a link in our show notes
so you can check it out, and we'll be back
with the entertainment headlines you need to know tomorrow morning.
With Morning Tea, where we drop a new episode every
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The Spill is produced by Minsha's Warren, with sound production
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