October 20, 2025 • 26 mins
The Golden Bachelor premiered this week and Australia has fallen in love with a single dad named Bear and his new harem of single ladies, but what is it about this series that has everyone back on the Bachelor train? We explore that along with some scandalous behind the scenes gossip.
Plus, Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson are starring in a highly anticipated new movie together and their press tour is off to a truly impressive start. So, what really prompted Jennifer to tell a ‘trashy’ story about Rob? We have a pretty good idea.
And Kristen Bell wished her husband Dax Shepard a happy wedding anniversary via a mesage and photo posted to her Instagram account, and it’s left many people furious. Now we need to unpack exactly what led to this message and how much of the anger is justified.
If you or anyone you know needs to speak with an expert, please contact 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732) — the National Sexual Assault, Domestic and Family Violence Counselling Service. If you are in immediate danger, call 000.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from mom and Me out.
Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassna lu Kitch.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And on the show today, Jennifer Lawrence and Rob Pattinson
have just kicked off the press tour for their new
movie and they're pulling out a bit of a familiar
plot to distruct us from their personal lives. Things have
gone off the rails. We're going to get into that. Plus,
Kristen Bell as she is on the press tour for
season two of Nobody Wants This, has put up a
seemingly loving anniversary post to her husband, Dak Shepherd, and
(00:52):
the outrage and backlash around it have been very intense.
So we're going to unpack that. But first, what have
we got?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The season premiere of The Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yes, The Golden Bachelor, after much hyper much waiting, premiere
last night on Channel nine. And this is an interesting
one because the Bachelor franchise well still burns hot and
bright all around the world, but in Australia for many,
many years it was one of the number one reality shows,
pulling in huge ratings and was very much an obsession
worldwide for everyone who watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's definitely fallen out of the zeitgeist because you know,
it was canceled. No one was really enjoying it anymore.
But now it's with a different network.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yes, So it came to an end with Channel ten
a few years ago, and their last try to get
those ratings back was to bring three bachelors into the house.
But those men were all quite nondescript, and even though
I was watching it for work, like gun to my head,
couldn't have told you their names except one of them
I think wanted to be an influencer. But apart from that,
it was kind of a very forgettable season. And so
this idea of how could you bring the bachelor back
(01:51):
was an interesting one until Channel nine picked up on
a franchise that had been wildly successful in the US
when they launched it, which was The Golden Bachelor. So
this idea of having a man usually in his sixties
dating women in their fifties and sixties and kind of
changing the narrative around I.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Actually love this version of it because it kind of
taps into the oh of like old people. They're not
old people because they're only sixty, they're not that old. Yeah,
but it does tap into that, you know, it's never
too late to find love, and you know the hope
of finding your person even after you've already been married
and divorced.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's just got a really nice idea to it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, And that's kind of what we saw in the
US with Jerry. People are obsessed with him. Unfortunately his
marriage didn't work out. I saw he got married again
the other day, so maybe he just needed the kickstarter.
But anyway, last night we were introduced to our new
Golden Batch. His name is Barry Murden, but he's called Bear.
He's sixty one years old. He's an infrastructure engineer, and
he has a really interesting story that I think poor
(02:48):
people and this is what you need. You need to
come in with a story that's going to pull people
in straightaway. So he has three sons and he very
tragically lost his wife many years ago to brain cancer,
and he talked about having to put everything in his
life on hold after like the passing of his true
love and how that nearly broke him in to look
after his three sons, and he shared that story and
(03:08):
you could just see people around Australia tearing up. All
of a sudden, everyone's on his side. They were very
into the narrative. So when the twenty women came along
that you know, hopefully he's going to fall in love
with them. People were already very invested in this, like
reinvention of a fairy tale.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it definitely is very I missed it last night,
so I'm going to be asking you guys some questions
about it because I don't know what happened, but the
widower storyline is definitely something that's going to make audiences
very happening.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and it really did. And there was every woman
who came in had kind of like her story to tell,
which is the whole thing with the batch. But I
think why it had gotten tied is that a lot
of people then when they saw how popular the show
got and how popular the contestants got for it, everyone
was coming with almost like an act, and so you
didn't really have those real people, real stories. It didn't
feel like there was any organic kind of moments. It
(03:55):
was like everyone was coming in to see how many
followers they could get. But you had these women coming
and being like I'm a grandmother of five, or I've
been divorced for this many years, or i couldn't have
children and now I'm just trying my luck to find
a partner like you had all these beautiful stories. And
I know I produced that. Maniitia watched it. You love
love I do in the whole world. I As I
was watching it last night, I was thinking, Manisha's crying.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was getting a little missy.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I'm actually not that much of a crier, but his
story really got me. Yeah, footage, the beautiful footage of
his wife and their kids.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's almost like in a film where.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
You cut to someone's partners passed away and they got
all these home videos.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, and son, you had a personal connection. So did
you have Do you have any favorites of the women
who came through. We did see some women go home
last night, unfortunately, but in true bachelor's style, for we
don't know them, they didn't get any screen times. So
when they left, it a bit like, oh okay, yeah,
sad for you.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
But you know, so, I think the top three contenders
and this could change for me week to week, but
usually I'm right.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I've got the winner in my top three historically.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, so my top three contenders are Jan. She got
the first impression rows. She's the one with a cool
pixie cut. She's an age transformation coach. That's not a
real job.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I won't help.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Sorry, come on, what is an age transformation?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I tried to find out because any I don't know.
I think it's some form of life coach.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Happy for her, And she got the traditional WiFi edit,
you know how like they play the thee music and
can I say I've seen many uncut clips of the
Bachelor of the Years because they send you the screen
as you can sometimes watch it before they add music,
or at least they used to, and the music changes everything.
So Jan was the one who got the twinkly fairy
tale traditional wife music. So you know from the moment
(05:31):
she arrived that she was going to be like a
top contender.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, did you guys watch that series? Unreal?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait, they kind of got behind the scenes of one
of these types of shows. Yeah, does it feel like
that they like planning out who is going to win this?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Do you feel that No?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think Australian reality shows are a little less produced
than American reality shows in that way.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
But I do think the fact that jan got.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
The first impression Rose probably means she won't be the winner,
because that's too obvious.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They often don't show the winner. It's like when with
Georgia Love season, she always says like it was Lee's
straight away from me, and you could see that in
the real life footage, but they edited him out so
much because they're like, no one's gonna care if they
know he's peen picked from the start, so they can
make it look like get someone else.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yeah, and also I love that they showed the bit
where she said she hasn't been attracted to a man in.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Twenty five years since her last husband.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was like, well, I hope a lot of men
are the worst. I can't relate to that every day.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The other two on my list were Kim, who I
have a crush on. She's the first intruder.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
She's so cool, she does like motorsports, she's a doctor
in the Navy. She's lived all over the world and
also fit in and having in all these kids. She's
lost two husbands. She's a great story. They really connected
over their grief, and she's just like a very cool chick.
Her best friend is also one of the contestants, and
I don't understand how they didn't know each other were
going on. She's like, my bestie's here in the match,
(06:48):
and I'm like, how do you keep that a secret?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, I know, maybe they just didn't tell each other
they're applied or so. You do. Hear stories of producers
calling people the night before and mean like, if you're in,
there's gonna be a car at five A and there tomorrow.
Like that sort of stuff happens.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh my god, it's just like the spill. We give
you a call up.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, you know, if you're on tomorrow, jump in the chair,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Is the magic of this that it's more earnest, like
the cast more earnest. It feels more real.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I think they are quite earnest.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I also think less people are probably on there for
influencer fame, and it does give the vibe that genuinely
some people are they're looking for someone.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I also think Jeanette is a strong contender.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
She seems like she's the first arrival. First arrival is
always really important. I felt they had a really good connection.
So who do you think Laura.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I thought from the moment that heard the twin clean
music it was jammed. But also I know that sometimes
they do, you know, do a bit of our side step.
So I guess we'll have to see. And we've got
a few women also coming in with like some interesting
stories that are kind of linked to the public. So
Laura is Abby Chatfield's mom. It's very famously a Bachelor
contestant who didn't win, but then one on to become
super successful, and also Bianca Dias and people are like,
I'm obsessed with this woman. Where did she come from?
(07:54):
But she's been like a radio host and TV personality
for over thirty years.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah, she's giving a.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Bit of a cra craw edit though it's not going
well so far, I know, But I think the only
people who are reacting that way, and a lot of
people work is that maybe they're not used to like
hearing her in the radio, seeing her on TV, or
she's shared like so much of her life that I
feel like she's almost coming in with the idea that
the audience have known.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Her for thirty years and so they might know a
little bit. But there's Yeah, there's a lot of different,
like interesting people in there. And there's also been a
little bit of drama in the lead up because when
they were filming the show and they started doing promo
and they like bear and then the host Samantha Armitage,
were walking the law Yu's red carpet together and started
doing press together. This wild rumor started that they were
hooking up and the show was going to end with
(08:39):
them together because sam Armitage had separated from her husband,
Richard Lavender like previously and like and it just like
really took off. So the whole time they're doing these
press runs, Samantha Armages has had to be saying, like,
I'm not dating the Bachelor. That's not the plot twist.
I mean, that would be a really good TV I
kind of wanted to be true.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I would love that plot twist. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of my favorite things about The Bachelor is the
entrances and some of the crazy d says, do we
get any like really wild ones.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, we could some people doing a bit of a
dance and like, but not not as crazy as when
it like got to like when the Bachelor ratings started
really faltering and you had people coming in with like
a full costume and like a skit prepared and like
fire twirling and not and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There was a horse.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
There was a horse that was fun and a poem, yeah,
dance and one was really nervous. So he's like, take
off your shoes and like, let's touch the sid.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
All I want is a man to tell me to
touch grass.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
One of the things I've been saying, though, is that
Abby Chatfield's mom being on there. Do we think Abby
Chatfield's mom's gonna make it to like the home week
so that they can do more time with Abby.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
We haven't had enough airtime of her yet.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, we haven't had love. We do know that she's
been catching with a lot of contestants from the show.
That's what Laura was saying about, like what's happened afterwards,
So I'm guessing she stays on for a while enough
times she started to make friendships. But yeah, I don't know.
We're only one episode in, but I've got a good
feeling about this. I think it's gonna be a good
run for them.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I think everyone needs to get on this and we
need to get excited about it, Like we used to
do with The Bachelor and I used to through finale parties.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
We'll do that. It's a glass for who you thought
was gonna win. Like, we've got to do that, Okay,
we will, Nana, Nana.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So we've been given a bit of a gift at
the moment, which is the fact that Jennifer Lawrence and
Robert Pattinson have teamed up for a new movie and
they're on the press run for it. So the movie,
which is coming out soon in Australia is called Dime
My Love, and it's a new psychological black comedy drama
and in it, Jennifer Lawrence plays Gray, so she's a
young mother who develops postpartum depression, and then Rob Pattinson
(10:38):
plays her husband, Jackson, who also enters into a psychosis.
So it's a bit of a dark subject matter. But
these two love to have a little bit of a
laugh on their press too is and they've really been
taking it to new levels this time around.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I feel like these two are such a listers, but
do we really know them?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Are they kind of putting a bit of an act on?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, that's the thing. I guess. There was so much
excitement when they first walked a red carpet together at
a film festival many months ago, and we have no
one for a while. They are in the same friendship circle,
but they've never had like lead roles in a movie
like this together, and so there was a lot of
anticipation for kind of how they would interact or only
signed to get a bit of a taste of it.
So Jennifer Lawrence went on The Graham Norton Show, and
in typical Jonah for Laurence style, she had like a
(11:19):
whole story prepared about Robert, and she started talking about
how she was at home with her girlfriends one night
and they were watching Little Women and like having a
fun time, and then she got a call from Robert
that he had like wrapped working on something and he
was nearby. So he showed up. And because they're really
close friends, and she always says he's one of the girls.
He's down to gossip, he's down to hang when he's
with us, she treats him both like a sister and
(11:39):
a daughter, which I really love that dynamic for them,
And so of course he knocked on the door and
asked if she had any food, and this is what happened.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
So he comes in and I give him a hug
and he's like, you, how many food? So hungry and
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come in, come in. And
then he goes to the bathroom and I do have food,
but it's in the trash. And so while he was
in the bathroom, I was just like pulling food out
of my garbage and my girlfriends were like, and I'm like,
(12:08):
so he eats it, and we're all just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
This trash.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
And then when he was finished, she was like, I'm
still hungry as them are, and I'm like, well, there is,
but it's in the garbage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
He sounds like the ideal housekifs.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, oh my god. I'm glad he knew it
was out of the trash. So I'm like, what if
he was hearing about this for the first time on
the show and being like I thought that pizza tasted weird.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's so interesting to me that they are bestie is
because I've always found Robert Pattinson quite sudnic and like sarcastic,
and Jennifer Lawrence has always been such a fun loving.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Like a bit of the goofy girl. So I'm interested
that they're like bestie.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I feel like they do have a similar sense
of humor and they both have the same kind of
stick when it comes to press tours. Is that they
both don't like to talk about their personal life. So
I mean Robert does a little bit because Suki Waterhouse,
his partner and the mother of his child, is also famous,
but they never really talk too much about their relationship.
They don't talk about their children. Jennifer's got two children
(13:11):
now and Robert's got one child with Suki, and they
don't like to talk about like past co stars, scandals
or way in on anything like deep or political too much.
Jennifer Lauren's a little bit. She did do a lot
of political activism for a while, But I think when
they're doing these little soundbites on a talk show, they
want to keep it really light, so they always have
these like crazy stories to roll out. So Jennifer will
be like tell stories when she's on a press run
(13:33):
about like falling down the stairs at something, or like
getting trapped naked in the bathroom at work, or filming
X Men, or like embarrassing herself in front of Harrison
Ford and him not knowing who. Like She's always got
these like stories prepped and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's very clever, pr actually, because you come with this
pre prepared story, you know that the press are going
to write on it, you know that there's going to
be a headline on it, and no one's going to
ask you about your relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it's like very clever, Yeah, exactly. And Robert's kind
of the same, Like he also doesn't like to give
any information his personal life, which is fair enough. The
other thing about Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson is that
they've both been burned by really distressing personal story being
like raked through these like media big firestorms. So like
with Jennifer Lawrence, there's been like her relationship with famous
(14:17):
people like Nicholas Holt, but there was also that time
all the photos were taken off her phone, all those
naked photos that she was sending to Nicholas Hold at
the time because they're in a long distance relationship and
she was talking about wanting to like keep their relationship alive,
and then she got like shamed for having them on
her phone, even though like the contents were stolen and
uploaded to the public, which is like the most horrific
thing you can go through. And then when Robin Pattinson,
(14:37):
obviously he was in that relationship with Kristen Stewart for
many many years, and then those photos came out of
her making out with her snow White director, and those
photos went everywhere, and then she publicly apologized to him,
and for a couple that had tried to be so
private and for that to blow up, he really didn't
do a lot of press for a long time after that,
(14:57):
and he's got a really sort of hard line about
not talking about anything to do with that time. And
so now he also has these crazy stories to bring out,
like he'll be doing an interview and talk about how
he smells like a crayon. All that was at time
that GQ interview, that was in twenty twenty two when
he was doing an interview and he was trying to
tell the interview because he want to weary his personal life,
that he was inventing a pastor that you could hold
(15:19):
and eat out of your hand, because he thought that
pastors should be a to go fu like a piece
of pizza should pick it up. And during the interview
he was trying to make his pastor invention and the
microwave exploded, and I do think to this day he
rigged it because after that, no one's talking about anything
about him, and all he's been asked to comment on
is the exploding microreer.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But he was so famously negative and hated doing press
during those Twilight years, and he was just really hated
all the attention and being this like vampire and it
was such a moment in time and then he kind
of dropped off a little bit. But now he seems
to have found a solution and a formula for how
he needs to behave in interviews.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, exactly. And I also think that Jennifer had that
story ready to go because even though they're both in
long term relationships with kids, when they first walked at
Red Carpet together, a lot of people thought that they
were potentially like they had the potential to fall in
love or they could be a scandal. And so I
think also telling this story that she's kind of squashed
it very quickly by sort of being like, he's a
gal pal, he comes over, he eats out of the trash,
(16:17):
you know, he's just one of the gals. And now
everyone's talking about that. And also I think with the
way that movie promotion is at the moment. I know,
we used to talk a lot about the fact that
movie stars didn't need press anymore because now they have
their huge followings. But the interesting thing is, like neither
Jennifer Lawrence or Robert Pattinson really have a social presence
even though they're super super famous, And it's harder than
(16:38):
ever to get people to watch movies, especially more like
original movies like this. So now press tours are more
important than ever before. But it's viral moments, not talking
about the movie. So like the rubbish story doesn't really
lead into a story about postpartum depression. But I'm sure
people are going to go see it now because they're
going to have these moments in their head.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
But we've seen this with interviews. Now the prs want
us to play games now. And I know in these
big talk shows like Jimmy Fallon and Graham Norton, we've
got producers asking, you know, the talent, okay, give us
something like what is a story that we can tell?
What we prompt you to do their prepackaging it and
making it. But that's it makes it interesting and fun.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think, Yeah, like even a Taylor Swifter is going
on talk shows and having to like come up these
funny stories about like baking bread and Travis not knowing
who Greta girlwig is. So it's just the game. But
I also think what's funny is that we're just at
the very start of this press two and now with
Jennifer Lawrence from Pattinson. So this is just the beginning,
and I think we'll have many more of these like
crazy viral stories, and I can't wait to see how
(17:36):
far they take it, like how do you top in
exploding microwavea nana?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So, Kristen Bell has put up an anniversary post for
her husband Dax Shepherd, and people are very upset about it.
It kind of looked a little bit innocent on first glance.
It's just a photo of you know, Kristen Bell straddling Dax.
But it's not the photo that's the problem. It was
the caption. So the post says, happy twelfth anniversary to
the man who once said to me, I would never
(18:02):
kill you. A lot of men have killed their wives
at a certain point, even though I'm heavily incentivized to
kill you, I never would. And this is what made
people extremely upset, and people have been reacting to this
and just talking about how it's a little bit inappropriate.
But I think this is a very unexpected response for
Kristen and Dax because they have been this golden couple.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, they have built like a huge following around their marriage,
which to their credit, they've always tried to dissolve a
little bit by saying that marriage for us is like
work every day. It's been really difficult. We've been together
for over a decade now. Don't believe all the cutesy
edits you see. But also they're so good in public together.
They're so good walking red carpet together. They come across
(18:48):
so like sweet and loving, they have all their jokes
ready to go. They're so cute on their socials, and
they do work a lot together. They start and a
lot of movies together. They've created movies together, they do
commercials together, and so they have become this kind of
couple that people associate with like love and humor. So
I think seeing that was jarring for two reasons. One
is just like the words sort of kill and kill,
(19:09):
you know, all that sort of stuff through there. But
also I think if you're a little bit outside of
their little bubble that they live in. It just felt
really daring.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's very different to what we were just talking about before
with Robert and Jennifer Lawrence. It's the complete opposite, and
you know, they are super public about their relationship. It
really reminded me of Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds because
they were this golden couple.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
They were really public.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Ryan was always posting these hilarious photos of Blake for
her birthday and then now people have kind of turned
on them and that has been the reaction for this
particular post. The main comment was that October is domestic
Violence Awareness Month in the US, and I think it
was particularly darring for a lot of people in Australia
because of what we have experienced with women and domestic violence.
(19:58):
But you're right, it is really interesting because they're in
this bubble and they probably don't quite have the awareness
of what's going out on outside of their A lister lives.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, and that's the thing, is like, because as much
which as I found the caption a little bit jarring,
I more found a jarring because I knew the reaction
that was coming, which I do think is like very
justified people being upset by that language, but not that
I know this couple. I'm gonna be really parasocial at
the moment, but I feel with like Kristen Bell and
Dhak Shepherd, I know more about their relationship than I
do about like some of my friends relationships because aside
(20:29):
from like the red carpet acts that they do, they
also have been on Duk Shepherd's podcast Armchech Expert many
many times together. The very first episode of Armchech Expert
is them essentially having a two hour fight about their
relationship and essentially having like a marriage counseling session that
they didn't mean to have. It just started that way
because when she came into the room, they were kind
(20:50):
of like he was nervous, and then she was like,
are you trying to trick me? Then she couldn't get
her headphones to work. It was a whole thing. And
so the first time that we really had that insight
to them, they aired all the difficulties of their marriage,
how they talk to each other, and they've done many
podcast episodes together since then, where we know that the
start of their relationship they used to fight a lot.
It was very fiery because she was a very jealous
(21:11):
person and he didn't feel like he wanted to be
controlled by her. And he's like, you're not the person
I pitched it ever being with, I don't know how
this is going to work. And they talk about like
all the fights they've had over the years, and also
like the way they talk to each other, and it
is kind of like that capture on her Instagram post
I think encapsulated how this long term couple talks to
each other and how their circle of friends because they
(21:33):
always had their circle of friends on this podcast as
well and weighing in and so if you're in that world,
it seemed very weirdly romantic, because you're like, this is
a couple that's been through so much and they've developed
their own language and their own style of humor that
we get to look at sometimes. So if you look
at it through that lens, it's quite romantic. But if
you look at it through the lens of like in Australia,
(21:54):
intimate partner violence is very much on the rise. The
data from like twenty twenty three twenty twenty four is
like one woman killed every eight days from intimate partner violence.
The studies from twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four
show that intimate partner violence in Australia and homicide the
rate is rapidly increased, and we know it's a huge
issue here and people feel like it's not getting us attention.
So if you look at it through that lens, it's
(22:16):
very disturbing.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean we also had you know, Jill Maher was
murdered thirteen years ago last month, so that is also
pretty fresh in people's mind. You know, that was a
really big case in Melbourne and really affected Australian So
I definitely understand that. But I do also think that
parasocial relationship that you're talking about with them, I think.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's really normal because they do reveal so much.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They kind of should expect to a point for people
to feel that close with them, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing is when like the
difference between like a podcast audience and a social audience
is like that post from Kristen Bell then went on
to be shared through all these different news outlets and
people were reposting it, So you're having people see that
with any context about their relationship or how they speak
or anything like that. I know it's a sac I'm
defending her. I'm kind of not. I just think like
the context is important there. But I understand being jarred
(23:09):
again because I I didn't think there was anything that
Kristen Bell and Dack Sheppard could say that would make
me kind of stop in my tracks because I feel
like I've just heard the craziest stuff from them over
the years, and when I saw that, I think it
was just so jarring because I think if one of
my friends said that, even if I knew they were
in a loving relationship, I'd still be like, Oh, that's
a really dark joke to me.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's an odd thing to say, for sure. And I
really like Kristin Bell. I love nobody wants this and
you know, it's a great show and I really enjoy her.
But it definitely did give me a bit of a Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I paused.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And even the photo was a little bit strange, someone
wrote in the comments. I thought this was him with
his daughter.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They have a wild high difference and they're two kids,
like nearly the same height as her. Now, No, it
wasn't the photo that upset me or anything like that.
The other thing is too, is like we keep having
these conversations around how like people in the public, I
can't say anything and everything's so policed, and everyone's become
this very generic celebrity kind of brand because if they
do post anything that's outside of like a very traditional
(24:07):
style social media post, then we jump on them. So
there's that to kind of consider as well. But I
don't really know what the answer is to this. I
don't want how to take the post down or anything.
And I think also, like if she gets asked about
in a red carpet, you can't really do it in
a SoundBite. And I think they have recently been taking
a lot of content out of their podcast because they're
so aware of how things can blow up. Like recently
(24:28):
they did another podcast together and they were saying afterwards
with their producer Wanicapadmin, that they were happy to leave
some of it in, but they had ended up taking
quite a bit out because the conversation they were having
is would you rather your partner cheat on you or
would you rather your kids drive drunk? And they were
both like, I would so much rather you cheat on me.
And they've always said over many years that cheating is
(24:49):
not a big deal for either of them and then
they had to say, but we haven't cheated on each other,
and we don't have an open relationship, because everyone has
thought in Hollywood they've had an open relationship. And you
can see now they're already starting to like edit things
out because that was like a bit of a long conversation,
and so I wondered, like, from the conversation that went
out and they said they cut most of it, how
much else are they now having to pull back from
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
For me, it would be her acknowledging that this is
something that has affected people and that it has triggered people,
and maybe it wasn't the right time for her to
post this, particularly given that it was October. I think
if she acknowledges that and appreciates that people feel triggered
by it, that is probably the best course of action. Yeah,
(25:30):
because I'm sure it wasn't intentional. You can kind of
see that it's it's her being trying to be funny.
She's trying to be funny with her husband, but acknowledging
when you're a public figure like that, you have to
be able to take responsibility for what you're putting out.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I think it's just a little showcase of what
happens when you are in your own celebrity not even celebrity,
you're in celebrity and friendship bubble. I feel like potentially
she might address it. She's not usually the type of
person to sort of post like a big explain or
anything like that. I wonder if it'll happen in a
few weeks when she's somehow, like on a podcast with
like her best friend Monica, or with Dak's her husband,
(26:05):
or in that kind of context where she can sort
of have a longer form conversation around it. Control as well, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Eat environment that they can control. I would suspect that
that's what they would do.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, And it's difficult also too, because she's doing that
nobody wants there. Season two press rounds at the moment,
which means that she's going to be asked. So I'm
sure someone will try and ask a question about it,
but I don't think a red carpet it's the place
to really weigh in on that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Know that pr is going to be pulling her away quick.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Smart.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
And on the show today, Jennifer Lawrence and Rob Pattinson
have just kicked off the press tour for their new
movie and they're pulling out a bit of a familiar
plot to distruct us from their personal lives. Things have
gone off the rails. We're going to get into that. Plus,
Kristen Bell as she is on the press tour for
season two of Nobody Wants This, has put up a
seemingly loving anniversary post to her husband, Dak Shepherd, and
(00:52):
the outrage and backlash around it have been very intense.
So we're going to unpack that. But first, what have
we got?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The season premiere of The Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yes, The Golden Bachelor, after much hyper much waiting, premiere
last night on Channel nine. And this is an interesting
one because the Bachelor franchise well still burns hot and
bright all around the world, but in Australia for many,
many years it was one of the number one reality shows,
pulling in huge ratings and was very much an obsession
worldwide for everyone who watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's definitely fallen out of the zeitgeist because you know,
it was canceled. No one was really enjoying it anymore.
But now it's with a different network.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yes, So it came to an end with Channel ten
a few years ago, and their last try to get
those ratings back was to bring three bachelors into the house.
But those men were all quite nondescript, and even though
I was watching it for work, like gun to my head,
couldn't have told you their names except one of them
I think wanted to be an influencer. But apart from that,
it was kind of a very forgettable season. And so
this idea of how could you bring the bachelor back
(01:51):
was an interesting one until Channel nine picked up on
a franchise that had been wildly successful in the US
when they launched it, which was The Golden Bachelor. So
this idea of having a man usually in his sixties
dating women in their fifties and sixties and kind of
changing the narrative around I.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Actually love this version of it because it kind of
taps into the oh of like old people. They're not
old people because they're only sixty, they're not that old. Yeah,
but it does tap into that, you know, it's never
too late to find love, and you know the hope
of finding your person even after you've already been married
and divorced.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's just got a really nice idea to it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, And that's kind of what we saw in the
US with Jerry. People are obsessed with him. Unfortunately his
marriage didn't work out. I saw he got married again
the other day, so maybe he just needed the kickstarter.
But anyway, last night we were introduced to our new
Golden Batch. His name is Barry Murden, but he's called Bear.
He's sixty one years old. He's an infrastructure engineer, and
he has a really interesting story that I think poor
(02:48):
people and this is what you need. You need to
come in with a story that's going to pull people
in straightaway. So he has three sons and he very
tragically lost his wife many years ago to brain cancer,
and he talked about having to put everything in his
life on hold after like the passing of his true
love and how that nearly broke him in to look
after his three sons, and he shared that story and
(03:08):
you could just see people around Australia tearing up. All
of a sudden, everyone's on his side. They were very
into the narrative. So when the twenty women came along
that you know, hopefully he's going to fall in love
with them. People were already very invested in this, like
reinvention of a fairy tale.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it definitely is very I missed it last night,
so I'm going to be asking you guys some questions
about it because I don't know what happened, but the
widower storyline is definitely something that's going to make audiences
very happening.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and it really did. And there was every woman
who came in had kind of like her story to tell,
which is the whole thing with the batch. But I
think why it had gotten tied is that a lot
of people then when they saw how popular the show
got and how popular the contestants got for it, everyone
was coming with almost like an act, and so you
didn't really have those real people, real stories. It didn't
feel like there was any organic kind of moments. It
(03:55):
was like everyone was coming in to see how many
followers they could get. But you had these women coming
and being like I'm a grandmother of five, or I've
been divorced for this many years, or i couldn't have
children and now I'm just trying my luck to find
a partner like you had all these beautiful stories. And
I know I produced that. Maniitia watched it. You love
love I do in the whole world. I As I
was watching it last night, I was thinking, Manisha's crying.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was getting a little missy.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I'm actually not that much of a crier, but his
story really got me. Yeah, footage, the beautiful footage of
his wife and their kids.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's almost like in a film where.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
You cut to someone's partners passed away and they got
all these home videos.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, and son, you had a personal connection. So did
you have Do you have any favorites of the women
who came through. We did see some women go home
last night, unfortunately, but in true bachelor's style, for we
don't know them, they didn't get any screen times. So
when they left, it a bit like, oh okay, yeah,
sad for you.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
But you know, so, I think the top three contenders
and this could change for me week to week, but
usually I'm right.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I've got the winner in my top three historically.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, so my top three contenders are Jan. She got
the first impression rows. She's the one with a cool
pixie cut. She's an age transformation coach. That's not a
real job.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I won't help.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Sorry, come on, what is an age transformation?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I tried to find out because any I don't know.
I think it's some form of life coach.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Happy for her, And she got the traditional WiFi edit,
you know how like they play the thee music and
can I say I've seen many uncut clips of the
Bachelor of the Years because they send you the screen
as you can sometimes watch it before they add music,
or at least they used to, and the music changes everything.
So Jan was the one who got the twinkly fairy
tale traditional wife music. So you know from the moment
(05:31):
she arrived that she was going to be like a
top contender.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, did you guys watch that series? Unreal?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait, they kind of got behind the scenes of one
of these types of shows. Yeah, does it feel like
that they like planning out who is going to win this?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Do you feel that No?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think Australian reality shows are a little less produced
than American reality shows in that way.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
But I do think the fact that jan got.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
The first impression Rose probably means she won't be the winner,
because that's too obvious.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They often don't show the winner. It's like when with
Georgia Love season, she always says like it was Lee's
straight away from me, and you could see that in
the real life footage, but they edited him out so
much because they're like, no one's gonna care if they
know he's peen picked from the start, so they can
make it look like get someone else.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yeah, and also I love that they showed the bit
where she said she hasn't been attracted to a man in.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Twenty five years since her last husband.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was like, well, I hope a lot of men
are the worst. I can't relate to that every day.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The other two on my list were Kim, who I
have a crush on. She's the first intruder.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
She's so cool, she does like motorsports, she's a doctor
in the Navy. She's lived all over the world and
also fit in and having in all these kids. She's
lost two husbands. She's a great story. They really connected
over their grief, and she's just like a very cool chick.
Her best friend is also one of the contestants, and
I don't understand how they didn't know each other were
going on. She's like, my bestie's here in the match,
(06:48):
and I'm like, how do you keep that a secret?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, I know, maybe they just didn't tell each other
they're applied or so. You do. Hear stories of producers
calling people the night before and mean like, if you're in,
there's gonna be a car at five A and there tomorrow.
Like that sort of stuff happens.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh my god, it's just like the spill. We give
you a call up.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, you know, if you're on tomorrow, jump in the chair,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Is the magic of this that it's more earnest, like
the cast more earnest. It feels more real.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I think they are quite earnest.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I also think less people are probably on there for
influencer fame, and it does give the vibe that genuinely
some people are they're looking for someone.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I also think Jeanette is a strong contender.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
She seems like she's the first arrival. First arrival is
always really important. I felt they had a really good connection.
So who do you think Laura.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I thought from the moment that heard the twin clean
music it was jammed. But also I know that sometimes
they do, you know, do a bit of our side step.
So I guess we'll have to see. And we've got
a few women also coming in with like some interesting
stories that are kind of linked to the public. So
Laura is Abby Chatfield's mom. It's very famously a Bachelor
contestant who didn't win, but then one on to become
super successful, and also Bianca Dias and people are like,
I'm obsessed with this woman. Where did she come from?
(07:54):
But she's been like a radio host and TV personality
for over thirty years.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah, she's giving a.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Bit of a cra craw edit though it's not going
well so far, I know, But I think the only
people who are reacting that way, and a lot of
people work is that maybe they're not used to like
hearing her in the radio, seeing her on TV, or
she's shared like so much of her life that I
feel like she's almost coming in with the idea that
the audience have known.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Her for thirty years and so they might know a
little bit. But there's Yeah, there's a lot of different,
like interesting people in there. And there's also been a
little bit of drama in the lead up because when
they were filming the show and they started doing promo
and they like bear and then the host Samantha Armitage,
were walking the law Yu's red carpet together and started
doing press together. This wild rumor started that they were
hooking up and the show was going to end with
(08:39):
them together because sam Armitage had separated from her husband,
Richard Lavender like previously and like and it just like
really took off. So the whole time they're doing these
press runs, Samantha Armages has had to be saying, like,
I'm not dating the Bachelor. That's not the plot twist.
I mean, that would be a really good TV I
kind of wanted to be true.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I would love that plot twist. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of my favorite things about The Bachelor is the
entrances and some of the crazy d says, do we
get any like really wild ones.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, we could some people doing a bit of a
dance and like, but not not as crazy as when
it like got to like when the Bachelor ratings started
really faltering and you had people coming in with like
a full costume and like a skit prepared and like
fire twirling and not and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There was a horse.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
There was a horse that was fun and a poem, yeah,
dance and one was really nervous. So he's like, take
off your shoes and like, let's touch the sid.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
All I want is a man to tell me to
touch grass.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
One of the things I've been saying, though, is that
Abby Chatfield's mom being on there. Do we think Abby
Chatfield's mom's gonna make it to like the home week
so that they can do more time with Abby.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
We haven't had enough airtime of her yet.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, we haven't had love. We do know that she's
been catching with a lot of contestants from the show.
That's what Laura was saying about, like what's happened afterwards,
So I'm guessing she stays on for a while enough
times she started to make friendships. But yeah, I don't know.
We're only one episode in, but I've got a good
feeling about this. I think it's gonna be a good
run for them.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I think everyone needs to get on this and we
need to get excited about it, Like we used to
do with The Bachelor and I used to through finale parties.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
We'll do that. It's a glass for who you thought
was gonna win. Like, we've got to do that, Okay,
we will, Nana, Nana.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So we've been given a bit of a gift at
the moment, which is the fact that Jennifer Lawrence and
Robert Pattinson have teamed up for a new movie and
they're on the press run for it. So the movie,
which is coming out soon in Australia is called Dime
My Love, and it's a new psychological black comedy drama
and in it, Jennifer Lawrence plays Gray, so she's a
young mother who develops postpartum depression, and then Rob Pattinson
(10:38):
plays her husband, Jackson, who also enters into a psychosis.
So it's a bit of a dark subject matter. But
these two love to have a little bit of a
laugh on their press too is and they've really been
taking it to new levels this time around.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I feel like these two are such a listers, but
do we really know them?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Are they kind of putting a bit of an act on?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, that's the thing. I guess. There was so much
excitement when they first walked a red carpet together at
a film festival many months ago, and we have no
one for a while. They are in the same friendship circle,
but they've never had like lead roles in a movie
like this together, and so there was a lot of
anticipation for kind of how they would interact or only
signed to get a bit of a taste of it.
So Jennifer Lawrence went on The Graham Norton Show, and
in typical Jonah for Laurence style, she had like a
(11:19):
whole story prepared about Robert, and she started talking about
how she was at home with her girlfriends one night
and they were watching Little Women and like having a
fun time, and then she got a call from Robert
that he had like wrapped working on something and he
was nearby. So he showed up. And because they're really
close friends, and she always says he's one of the girls.
He's down to gossip, he's down to hang when he's
with us, she treats him both like a sister and
(11:39):
a daughter, which I really love that dynamic for them,
And so of course he knocked on the door and
asked if she had any food, and this is what happened.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
So he comes in and I give him a hug
and he's like, you, how many food? So hungry and
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come in, come in. And
then he goes to the bathroom and I do have food,
but it's in the trash. And so while he was
in the bathroom, I was just like pulling food out
of my garbage and my girlfriends were like, and I'm like,
(12:08):
so he eats it, and we're all just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
This trash.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
And then when he was finished, she was like, I'm
still hungry as them are, and I'm like, well, there is,
but it's in the garbage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
He sounds like the ideal housekifs.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, oh my god. I'm glad he knew it
was out of the trash. So I'm like, what if
he was hearing about this for the first time on
the show and being like I thought that pizza tasted weird.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's so interesting to me that they are bestie is
because I've always found Robert Pattinson quite sudnic and like sarcastic,
and Jennifer Lawrence has always been such a fun loving.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Like a bit of the goofy girl. So I'm interested
that they're like bestie.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I feel like they do have a similar sense
of humor and they both have the same kind of
stick when it comes to press tours. Is that they
both don't like to talk about their personal life. So
I mean Robert does a little bit because Suki Waterhouse,
his partner and the mother of his child, is also famous,
but they never really talk too much about their relationship.
They don't talk about their children. Jennifer's got two children
(13:11):
now and Robert's got one child with Suki, and they
don't like to talk about like past co stars, scandals
or way in on anything like deep or political too much.
Jennifer Lauren's a little bit. She did do a lot
of political activism for a while, But I think when
they're doing these little soundbites on a talk show, they
want to keep it really light, so they always have
these like crazy stories to roll out. So Jennifer will
be like tell stories when she's on a press run
(13:33):
about like falling down the stairs at something, or like
getting trapped naked in the bathroom at work, or filming
X Men, or like embarrassing herself in front of Harrison
Ford and him not knowing who. Like She's always got
these like stories prepped and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's very clever, pr actually, because you come with this
pre prepared story, you know that the press are going
to write on it, you know that there's going to
be a headline on it, and no one's going to
ask you about your relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it's like very clever, Yeah, exactly. And Robert's kind
of the same, Like he also doesn't like to give
any information his personal life, which is fair enough. The
other thing about Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson is that
they've both been burned by really distressing personal story being
like raked through these like media big firestorms. So like
with Jennifer Lawrence, there's been like her relationship with famous
(14:17):
people like Nicholas Holt, but there was also that time
all the photos were taken off her phone, all those
naked photos that she was sending to Nicholas Hold at
the time because they're in a long distance relationship and
she was talking about wanting to like keep their relationship alive,
and then she got like shamed for having them on
her phone, even though like the contents were stolen and
uploaded to the public, which is like the most horrific
thing you can go through. And then when Robin Pattinson,
(14:37):
obviously he was in that relationship with Kristen Stewart for
many many years, and then those photos came out of
her making out with her snow White director, and those
photos went everywhere, and then she publicly apologized to him,
and for a couple that had tried to be so
private and for that to blow up, he really didn't
do a lot of press for a long time after that,
(14:57):
and he's got a really sort of hard line about
not talking about anything to do with that time. And
so now he also has these crazy stories to bring out,
like he'll be doing an interview and talk about how
he smells like a crayon. All that was at time
that GQ interview, that was in twenty twenty two when
he was doing an interview and he was trying to
tell the interview because he want to weary his personal life,
that he was inventing a pastor that you could hold
(15:19):
and eat out of your hand, because he thought that
pastors should be a to go fu like a piece
of pizza should pick it up. And during the interview
he was trying to make his pastor invention and the
microwave exploded, and I do think to this day he
rigged it because after that, no one's talking about anything
about him, and all he's been asked to comment on
is the exploding microreer.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But he was so famously negative and hated doing press
during those Twilight years, and he was just really hated
all the attention and being this like vampire and it
was such a moment in time and then he kind
of dropped off a little bit. But now he seems
to have found a solution and a formula for how
he needs to behave in interviews.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, exactly. And I also think that Jennifer had that
story ready to go because even though they're both in
long term relationships with kids, when they first walked at
Red Carpet together, a lot of people thought that they
were potentially like they had the potential to fall in
love or they could be a scandal. And so I
think also telling this story that she's kind of squashed
it very quickly by sort of being like, he's a
gal pal, he comes over, he eats out of the trash,
(16:17):
you know, he's just one of the gals. And now
everyone's talking about that. And also I think with the
way that movie promotion is at the moment. I know,
we used to talk a lot about the fact that
movie stars didn't need press anymore because now they have
their huge followings. But the interesting thing is, like neither
Jennifer Lawrence or Robert Pattinson really have a social presence
even though they're super super famous, And it's harder than
(16:38):
ever to get people to watch movies, especially more like
original movies like this. So now press tours are more
important than ever before. But it's viral moments, not talking
about the movie. So like the rubbish story doesn't really
lead into a story about postpartum depression. But I'm sure
people are going to go see it now because they're
going to have these moments in their head.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
But we've seen this with interviews. Now the prs want
us to play games now. And I know in these
big talk shows like Jimmy Fallon and Graham Norton, we've
got producers asking, you know, the talent, okay, give us
something like what is a story that we can tell?
What we prompt you to do their prepackaging it and
making it. But that's it makes it interesting and fun.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think, Yeah, like even a Taylor Swifter is going
on talk shows and having to like come up these
funny stories about like baking bread and Travis not knowing
who Greta girlwig is. So it's just the game. But
I also think what's funny is that we're just at
the very start of this press two and now with
Jennifer Lawrence from Pattinson. So this is just the beginning,
and I think we'll have many more of these like
crazy viral stories, and I can't wait to see how
(17:36):
far they take it, like how do you top in
exploding microwavea nana?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So, Kristen Bell has put up an anniversary post for
her husband Dax Shepherd, and people are very upset about it.
It kind of looked a little bit innocent on first glance.
It's just a photo of you know, Kristen Bell straddling Dax.
But it's not the photo that's the problem. It was
the caption. So the post says, happy twelfth anniversary to
the man who once said to me, I would never
(18:02):
kill you. A lot of men have killed their wives
at a certain point, even though I'm heavily incentivized to
kill you, I never would. And this is what made
people extremely upset, and people have been reacting to this
and just talking about how it's a little bit inappropriate.
But I think this is a very unexpected response for
Kristen and Dax because they have been this golden couple.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, they have built like a huge following around their marriage,
which to their credit, they've always tried to dissolve a
little bit by saying that marriage for us is like
work every day. It's been really difficult. We've been together
for over a decade now. Don't believe all the cutesy
edits you see. But also they're so good in public together.
They're so good walking red carpet together. They come across
(18:48):
so like sweet and loving, they have all their jokes
ready to go. They're so cute on their socials, and
they do work a lot together. They start and a
lot of movies together. They've created movies together, they do
commercials together, and so they have become this kind of
couple that people associate with like love and humor. So
I think seeing that was jarring for two reasons. One
is just like the words sort of kill and kill,
(19:09):
you know, all that sort of stuff through there. But
also I think if you're a little bit outside of
their little bubble that they live in. It just felt
really daring.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's very different to what we were just talking about before
with Robert and Jennifer Lawrence. It's the complete opposite, and
you know, they are super public about their relationship. It
really reminded me of Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds because
they were this golden couple.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
They were really public.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Ryan was always posting these hilarious photos of Blake for
her birthday and then now people have kind of turned
on them and that has been the reaction for this
particular post. The main comment was that October is domestic
Violence Awareness Month in the US, and I think it
was particularly darring for a lot of people in Australia
because of what we have experienced with women and domestic violence.
(19:58):
But you're right, it is really interesting because they're in
this bubble and they probably don't quite have the awareness
of what's going out on outside of their A lister lives.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, and that's the thing, is like, because as much
which as I found the caption a little bit jarring,
I more found a jarring because I knew the reaction
that was coming, which I do think is like very
justified people being upset by that language, but not that
I know this couple. I'm gonna be really parasocial at
the moment, but I feel with like Kristen Bell and
Dhak Shepherd, I know more about their relationship than I
do about like some of my friends relationships because aside
(20:29):
from like the red carpet acts that they do, they
also have been on Duk Shepherd's podcast Armchech Expert many
many times together. The very first episode of Armchech Expert
is them essentially having a two hour fight about their
relationship and essentially having like a marriage counseling session that
they didn't mean to have. It just started that way
because when she came into the room, they were kind
(20:50):
of like he was nervous, and then she was like,
are you trying to trick me? Then she couldn't get
her headphones to work. It was a whole thing. And
so the first time that we really had that insight
to them, they aired all the difficulties of their marriage,
how they talk to each other, and they've done many
podcast episodes together since then, where we know that the
start of their relationship they used to fight a lot.
It was very fiery because she was a very jealous
(21:11):
person and he didn't feel like he wanted to be
controlled by her. And he's like, you're not the person
I pitched it ever being with, I don't know how
this is going to work. And they talk about like
all the fights they've had over the years, and also
like the way they talk to each other, and it
is kind of like that capture on her Instagram post
I think encapsulated how this long term couple talks to
each other and how their circle of friends because they
(21:33):
always had their circle of friends on this podcast as
well and weighing in and so if you're in that world,
it seemed very weirdly romantic, because you're like, this is
a couple that's been through so much and they've developed
their own language and their own style of humor that
we get to look at sometimes. So if you look
at it through that lens, it's quite romantic. But if
you look at it through the lens of like in Australia,
(21:54):
intimate partner violence is very much on the rise. The
data from like twenty twenty three twenty twenty four is
like one woman killed every eight days from intimate partner violence.
The studies from twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four
show that intimate partner violence in Australia and homicide the
rate is rapidly increased, and we know it's a huge
issue here and people feel like it's not getting us attention.
So if you look at it through that lens, it's
(22:16):
very disturbing.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean we also had you know, Jill Maher was
murdered thirteen years ago last month, so that is also
pretty fresh in people's mind. You know, that was a
really big case in Melbourne and really affected Australian So
I definitely understand that. But I do also think that
parasocial relationship that you're talking about with them, I think.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's really normal because they do reveal so much.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They kind of should expect to a point for people
to feel that close with them, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing is when like the
difference between like a podcast audience and a social audience
is like that post from Kristen Bell then went on
to be shared through all these different news outlets and
people were reposting it, So you're having people see that
with any context about their relationship or how they speak
or anything like that. I know it's a sac I'm
defending her. I'm kind of not. I just think like
the context is important there. But I understand being jarred
(23:09):
again because I I didn't think there was anything that
Kristen Bell and Dack Sheppard could say that would make
me kind of stop in my tracks because I feel
like I've just heard the craziest stuff from them over
the years, and when I saw that, I think it
was just so jarring because I think if one of
my friends said that, even if I knew they were
in a loving relationship, I'd still be like, Oh, that's
a really dark joke to me.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's an odd thing to say, for sure. And I
really like Kristin Bell. I love nobody wants this and
you know, it's a great show and I really enjoy her.
But it definitely did give me a bit of a Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I paused.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And even the photo was a little bit strange, someone
wrote in the comments. I thought this was him with
his daughter.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They have a wild high difference and they're two kids,
like nearly the same height as her. Now, No, it
wasn't the photo that upset me or anything like that.
The other thing is too, is like we keep having
these conversations around how like people in the public, I
can't say anything and everything's so policed, and everyone's become
this very generic celebrity kind of brand because if they
do post anything that's outside of like a very traditional
(24:07):
style social media post, then we jump on them. So
there's that to kind of consider as well. But I
don't really know what the answer is to this. I
don't want how to take the post down or anything.
And I think also, like if she gets asked about
in a red carpet, you can't really do it in
a SoundBite. And I think they have recently been taking
a lot of content out of their podcast because they're
so aware of how things can blow up. Like recently
(24:28):
they did another podcast together and they were saying afterwards
with their producer Wanicapadmin, that they were happy to leave
some of it in, but they had ended up taking
quite a bit out because the conversation they were having
is would you rather your partner cheat on you or
would you rather your kids drive drunk? And they were
both like, I would so much rather you cheat on me.
And they've always said over many years that cheating is
(24:49):
not a big deal for either of them and then
they had to say, but we haven't cheated on each other,
and we don't have an open relationship, because everyone has
thought in Hollywood they've had an open relationship. And you
can see now they're already starting to like edit things
out because that was like a bit of a long conversation,
and so I wondered, like, from the conversation that went
out and they said they cut most of it, how
much else are they now having to pull back from
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
For me, it would be her acknowledging that this is
something that has affected people and that it has triggered people,
and maybe it wasn't the right time for her to
post this, particularly given that it was October. I think
if she acknowledges that and appreciates that people feel triggered
by it, that is probably the best course of action. Yeah,
(25:30):
because I'm sure it wasn't intentional. You can kind of
see that it's it's her being trying to be funny.
She's trying to be funny with her husband, but acknowledging
when you're a public figure like that, you have to
be able to take responsibility for what you're putting out.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I think it's just a little showcase of what
happens when you are in your own celebrity not even celebrity,
you're in celebrity and friendship bubble. I feel like potentially
she might address it. She's not usually the type of
person to sort of post like a big explain or
anything like that. I wonder if it'll happen in a
few weeks when she's somehow, like on a podcast with
like her best friend Monica, or with Dak's her husband,
(26:05):
or in that kind of context where she can sort
of have a longer form conversation around it. Control as well, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Eat environment that they can control. I would suspect that
that's what they would do.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, And it's difficult also too, because she's doing that
nobody wants there. Season two press rounds at the moment,
which means that she's going to be asked. So I'm
sure someone will try and ask a question about it,
but I don't think a red carpet it's the place
to really weigh in on that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Know that pr is going to be pulling her away quick.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Smart.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
If you love our show, the best thing that you
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This bill is produced by manishas Warren, with sound production
by Scott Stroak.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Bye Bye
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Lan,
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