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December 3, 2025 • 32 mins

Spotify Wrapped has been unleashed on the world once again, and one of our hosts has been absolutely read to filth with their analysis. Plus, the first trailer for the new season of Emily in Paris has been released, and there is one scene that has deeply traumatised us.
And Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried are on the press tour for their highly anticipated new movie, and we’ve noticed something suspicious about their behaviour.
Also, Travis Kelce has revealed a surprising detail about his relationship with Taylor Swift, and it’s got fans thinking they're about to break up.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Amma mea.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Podcast from Mamma Mia.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture Fixed.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Laura Brodney.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
And I'm am Vernham and coming up on the show today,
Amanda Seafried and Sidney Sweeney are on a huge global
press tour. But we've noticed something, well you actually undercover
detective Emily Vernon have noticed something very interesting about how
they're playing it. So we're going to get into that. Plus,
is the fairytale over for Travis Kelsey and Taylor Sweet No,
that is what their fans think.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
This is such a rogue story.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Travis said something on his podcast that makes people think
now they shouldn't get married. George Clooney is involved. It's
a whole story that's blowing up. We're going to get
into that. George Colooney is involved. No, okay, I'm going
to tell you spoilers. No spoilers for what's coming up.
But first of all, I just wanted to acknowledge that
this is a difficult day for a lot of people.
It's a day of like high highs and low lows,

(01:06):
a lot of people feeling different things, and we wanted
to acknowledge that because it is Spotify Rap today, this
Spotify Rap Day.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
For some people, it's a beautiful day.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
They love sharing their top artists and their top songs
and their top podcasts on their socials. Thank you for
everyone who tag us in the spill. We love seeing
that there's a bit of hate for people sometimes, Like
everyone's like, no one cares about your Spotify raps, And
I'm like, I care you share your songs.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
No, well, I care about mine. No, I do think
everyone cares about them. But I think that whole thing
of like you should be allowed to share it. Yeah,
you get a day to share your music.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Just share it if you don't want to see it, scrong.
No one's gonna block you. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's a hard day for my people in particular. And
this is what I always say on this day. Keep
your head down, keep your head low, don't post, don't
say anything. Just get through the day. If you're someone
like me who only listens to Disney Old school stro
show tunes or Glee covers of show tunes song please
still they do some good covers, okay, but something just

(02:07):
to chat about super quickly before we move on to
our actual opening subject is that Spotify have added a
little new feature this year, which is your Spotify.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Age unprovoked completely, Yeah, like we all just woke up
to this, like Spotify age, and now we all just
want to go back to slap.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
When I saw mine, I was a bit throwing and
I was like, why are they doing this? And then
I went and saw what the Spotify rep said, and
he was like, oh, we thought we would just playfully
tell people what their listening age is based on, like
the cumulative listens and like what their heyday would be
linking your age to that. So I don't know if
you want to say I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't think I.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Want to say, well, I got twenty one, what I'm
twenty nine? For context? I think the only reason I
got twenty one is because I've been listening to a
lot and a lot of dough Chie this year.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Okay, Can I just tell you that doesn't help because
you're what My top song was Denial is the River
by dot.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Chies, and that I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I was like, but is my favorite song, great song,
favorite walking to work song. But God did not help
my age, So I don't think so I feel like
yours was a bit of.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
A humble brag, like, we get it, you're so young.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was not expecting that age. Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay, well just move on.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
What was your age?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm just gonna show you because I don't want to
say it out loud, and I guess maybe you guys
want to tune in to tune into a.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
YouTube channel, YouTube channel to see it.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So first of all, like they have your listening age.
I'm showing Emily my phone because I don't want to
say it lad and you tap on it and it
says age is just a number, so don't take this personally.
And as soon as I thought I didn't get that,
you didn't get that, I don't think I did.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Don't take it personally.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And I was like, also, just keeping in mind, I
was still up late last night prepping for the pod.
I saw this at like two am, and I was
already emotionally fragile. And then it said you're listening age
and then it played this song.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Is that you Jackman?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, that's the original cast recording of What You Miss Guys.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It says my listening age is sixty. Listening age of sixty.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
My listening age could be the grandparent of your listening age.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
That is okay, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Can I just say, and I feel like a lot
of people are feeling this today, Can I just say,
it's because I listened to.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Your dad's age.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh shut up? Okay, Well, I feel like your dad
and I would get along.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
You have the same taste as movies as my mom
and the same music as my dad.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Why you like me?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Figure he's one of my parents, which is the blend
of Emily's parents.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Dochi and Chapel Rome were among my top artists.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
But how you got that? But also Andrew Lloyd Weber
and Stephen Schwartz from my actual top artist. It's because
I listened to all the old school, the original Broadway
class recordings.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Just we just heard Hugh Jackman Jackman.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, he wasn't in the original cast recording? Is no,
I only listened to the original cast recordings.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Are you serious? This music will be running for like
fifty years?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, Well this is where the age gap comes in.
So anyway, I thought.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Maybe if you listened to the Russell Crow Who Jackman
version would have gone joining.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I never listened to the movie soundtracks. I've never listened
to the Wicked soundtrack. I listened to the original Broadway
cast recording. No judgment if people do things differently. But
I'm an old school Broadway gal. So now that I'm
in my excreme, like a true sixty girl, find my people,
even sixty year olds.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
We have spillers who would be sixty. Yeah, we do,
and they would be It'd be a great time. I
wonder the six year olds will think of dough Chi
because that's my top.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Fust Oh, I'm pretty sure they love dough gi.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, my dad loves Doughci.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Okay, Well, thoughts and prayers for everyone going through that today.
I hope there's no long lasting trauma anyway. What we
actually wanted to talk about was the very It's been overshadowed,
I think because I did have a little heads up
from Netflix this was coming today. They email me yesterday
they said, be alert but not alarmed. The very first
trailer for Emily and Paris is coming out tomorrow morning,

(06:02):
and I thought, well, maybe that'll just be the whole show,
and then it got overshadowed by Spotify wrapped. But we
do have the first trailer for the new season of
Emily in Paris, which is coming out December eighteenth, marketing
your calendar. I won't be watching it that day because
I have to it's a whole thing. I have to
travel to the Sunshine Coast to watch an avestah. I've
got travel plans involved now. But anyway, if we're going

(06:25):
to open an office in Rome, let's really show the
Italian's house done.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
We want to make sure it's something that people can
connect with.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Nothing excited me.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Rome is so new and exciting, but I have built
a whole life for myself in Paris and everything is
just going on about me.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, the saying you can't go home again, Well
you can, it's leaving.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's the hard part. I know. I'm excited for the future.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I think you should be too, honest, I'm not done
with Rome. I mean my Emily in Paris. What were
your thoughts on the trailer?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I am really excited for this next season, like so
so excited. Ironically it's like the last season, right.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, no, they haven't said I'm giving.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Last season energy. No, sorry, I won't put that out there.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
They have to go high. Stakes could not be higher.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's what I was thinking, famously Emily in Paris, not
many stakes.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I do think there's stakes this season. The story is
telling stakes. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So high.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
There is a part that I feel like is quite controversial.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Okay, do you want to set the scene of what
or do you admit to that? Please, let's not waste
anyone's start here. I was like, I was like, I
know you love the show Weekend, but do you know
who anyone is away? So we ended last season of
Emily in Paris with Emily very famously moving to Italy
because the Groutto Agency, which is the agency she works

(07:55):
for in Paris now, which is owned by Sylvia Grotto,
one of the best TV characters that has ever existed.
I feel pretty safe in saying that they had set
up this It's Italy operation to try and also get
the family business of em new lover Macello, and so
she was moving to Italy. She was deleting her Emily
in Paris account to rename it Emily and Rome Huge.
Gabrielle decided that he was in love with her and

(08:17):
he was going to go and like find her in Italy.
After finding out from Mindy it's as well I recochet
with that man first season hot, other seasons dull as
a dishrag. Mindy's off to be like a host on
pop Idol with her song Beautiful Ruins going viral. Everything's
happening this season, at least the first half of it
we know is going to be said in Rome with
the Gretto Agency team, who I love Luke and Julian

(08:40):
and everyone there trying to land this account.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah. I love how they're still sticking with the like,
it's so hard for me to understand. Do they even
like her still?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
No? No, no, no, no, This is this is interesting because
Sylvie and Emily like their storyline is so important because
they have been and enemies to co workers and this
season to friends and that has been such a good
slow burn and it feels really earned in the moment
that we're in now. No, they do like her, well
they yet the boys love her. Sylvia goes back and
forth on her, but just realizes that she's a really

(09:10):
hard worker. Yeah, and that she is. But one thing
that really upset me from the trailer. I don't know
if you felt the same way. Do you know what
I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Alfie and Mindy.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Alfie and Mindy seem to be getting very close, so
I was so excited.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
No, Emily, I don't want to say this to you,
but that's not being a girl's girl.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's not being a girl's girl.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And I would not ever say that of MINDI chen
because I think Mindy and Emily's friendship is one of
the loveliest things about this show.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I think Mindy is the best relationship Emily has had, absolutely,
and it would be really sad if that happens. But
I do really like them together.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I was so excited that Alfie was coming back as
a like a main cast member this year, and I thought,
because she is my favorite at Emily's love interests and
I love them. And again, I feel he's my.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Favorite of Emily's interest I think he's just my favorite.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I love them together. Actually feels like there's tension
and stakes in their relationship. Every time she's with Gabrielle,
I'm like, should I look at my phone? I don't know,
as you know what, I love this show and it
usually look at my phone, but yes, so we see that.
I think Alfie and Mindy are in Paris alone together
a lot because Emily is in Italy, is what I'm
kind of getting from the trailer's snipet. It was such
a short little moment and it looks like they're sharing

(10:19):
a kiss, but it could be nothing. It could be
they go out, they have like one fun night together.
They have a little almost kiss, and then she was like,
I can't do this, and he's like, I love Emily Cooper.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And then I think I love Emily Cooper.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, and he goes to Italy and I think that that's.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
What it's gonna bep and they both meet each other
in Italy. Yeah, and they might kiss again.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, no, don't bring that into the unit.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I just want everyone to be happy, I know. So
Emily can't just be collecting all these hot men and
then like keep them off the table. That's annoying.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
No, but Mindy's hair. No, I know.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
But that's the best thing about them is they've never
had like love crossover before.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
We'll see December eighteen. I'm excited. I'm like, god, no,
it's again. No, I can't watch until a few days
later until I fly to my sister towards So you're
watching a jam. No, no, no, I'm watching like when
did I book my flight? The twenty second of if
you see if you see on egg looking.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Airport, don't talk to me about Emily in Paris.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And if like me, you are just dying for the
new season of Emily and Paris in a very intense,
over the top way, make sure you're following our other feed,
which is watch Party, because we're me launching some special
Emily in Paris episodes talking I'm so excited talking about
the biggest moments from the show the lead up into
the new season, and it'll just be everything you need

(11:34):
to know ahead of season five, hosted by some deep
not me, but other.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Fans of the show. There's a lot of fans fans.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, we did not have trouble finding hosts for this show.
So the link for that is in the show notes,
so you can go and follow that feed.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
So Sidney Sweeney is back, literally all over.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Where did she go? She went away? And I felt
like she's been around forever.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So for me, my recent encounter with Sidney Sweeney went
something like this. It was American Eagle, oh yeah, and
then she left and then she came back to talk
about the controversy and she didn't talk about it, and
then she left, and then she kind of came back
in a bit of an unfavorable way for her more
than the American Eagle. I feel like this was worse

(12:17):
for her, where all her movies in between kind of tanked.
And now she's back, and now she's doing a press
tour for The Housemaid, which is one of my favorite
books by Freedom McFadden, And I was genuinely surprised to
see her back on my social feeds, like as if
nothing has happened to her.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I guess that's the thing, because like this is all
you said.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Every time we talk about Sidney Sweeney is like she
is a little bit untouchable in that way. And again,
it's hard because when the whole American Eagle thing blew up,
I know that, Like we had conversations and the spill
about that. It was problematic because it was so problem
because of bigger tensions that were going on in the world,
particularly America at the moment. Like it was a much
bigger story than just when people like it's a Jeen's art.
It's like if you look at the broader social context

(12:57):
and the fear that people living, and it's not just
a Jeen's ad and.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It was that whole thing about like how it worked
for American Eagle, like they sold all of their gas
they did. Yeah, But then it was very clear the
type of people she was aligning with, yes, by like
not even like really saying anything about it. Yes, And
I thought she was just gonna be one of those
actors who that would have been her not really downfall,
but it would have been really hard for her to

(13:22):
get back into Hollywood circles.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, it is hard because I think like Hollywood circles
do lean a bit more kind of left. But at
the same time, she was appealing to the broader masses,
and that's the hard thing, especially like with the kind
of like bubble wearing here is like to us, a
lot of things she said in the past, a lot
of people she aligns herself with we find quite problematic.
But then like when she's appealing to the general American public,

(13:45):
like she is in a more favorable situation. Yeah, And
it's kind of be interesting to see how that affects
her at the box office because a lot of people
thought her movie Americana tanked and it didn't do well.
But the thing is it didn't have a huge budget
and it was a really small movie, so it didn't
technically tank. I think it actually did okay considering how
they had forecast to perform. Christy did tank quite badly.

(14:07):
Had And the thing is it had a very poor
opening weekend and then it had a very steep drop.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
It was like one of the biggest drops in history.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
And that was like trying for an Oscar.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Right, Yeah, there was.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I mean she obviously never said that in her team,
never said that, but you could see no, no one
says it that early. Yeah, ever really says it, but
like the way, yeah, exactly, it's at Lady Garga God
bless her heart. Yeah, she was really putting herself out
there from Oscar. You can see because it was Oscar
beaedy in terms of like it's a true story. She
like physically transformed for it. It was this kind of

(14:38):
really intense, dramatic piece about a queer boxer and everything
she'd gone through and had a really big push for
domestic violence awareness in a way that people actually quite liked.
So there was a lot of favorable attention going into it,
and she was getting asked in all the Red Carpets
do you think you were in an oscar?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And she was like, I can't even think about.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That right now, but you could see that they were
kind of pushing and then it tanks so badly. And
I do wonder if she had cultivated like one type
of fan base, this very kind of like right ish
people who were kind of calling her the Republican Princess,
but then the movie was not the kind of movie
that would appeal to that.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yes, yeah, in.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Broadly spec I know, like people are, you know, complex
and like different things. But yeah, that was the kind
of thinking that she had made a movie not for
the fan base she had cultivated.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, And I found it so fascinating that now she's
just back as if nothing happened, Like I felt like
we first got like a hint of it with her
naked dress and everyone just was only talking about her boobs. Yeah,
and now we're seeing the press tour for The Housemaid
that she's starring alongside Amanda Sifred, and the way she's

(15:45):
playing this press tour is just really interesting to me
because she's really leaning into her friendship with Amanda to
show it off as like it's an organic friendship that
flourished during them making the movie, and I was watching
an interview with her on Jimmy Fallon and obviously it's
Jimmy Fallon can't talk about any controversies, and there was

(16:07):
a part where he was saying, and you and Amanda
did something together, right like you did? And She's like,
we made a TikTok together, and I think we brought
it here to show and I'm like, what the hell, well,
just one TikTok, one TikTok, and it's like it it's
literally them just like lip singing a song from Mamma Mia.
And I was like, Amanda to day for Amanda Syfred

(16:27):
is Muma Mia, so it's a big deal. But I
was like it sounded like she was about to like
release some music video or like release.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
To something that was really intentional, just.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Like we did a TikTok together. It was pretty cool, huge,
And then we're looking at videos of they recently did
the premiere at New York and it was I think
it was also Amanda's fortieth birthday and they bought they
willed in this massive cake and she you see Amanda
like pulling Sydney to cut the cake with her, and
then Sydney hugs her from behind, so it is a
two way street. But I'm actually wondering what Amanda Sifred

(17:00):
gets out of this.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, well, I guess the thing is, like I think
stars are so aware now of how much movies live
and die on the press.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Her.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I know, this one's coming off a huge book and
there's an in built audience, so it's probably going to
do well at the box office. But the box office
is the worst it's ever been in decades at the
moment across the board. So anything you can do to
get it across the line. And I guess the worst
thing that could kind of happens for them would be
any kind of idea of like infighting or bitchiness or
anything that's also not Amanda Seyfred's brand in such a way,

(17:29):
Like just think she's been famous for over twenty years now.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean for Sidney Sweeney, she's a great person to
align with.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Exactly, like she is just loved, because can you think
of it an Amanda Seyfred controversy or anyone who doesn't
love her. She just comes, she does her movies, she
does a cute press to her, and then she goes
off to her farm. Where she lives with her husband,
her lovely husband and cute little kids, and they have
like three peacocks, two donkeys, fifty chickens.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
They live on this crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
And she just yeah, and she just plays a dulcimer
and sings Joni Mitchell and there's all sweet. So like
she's the most unproblematic celeb. And I wonder if Sidney
Sweeney is a bit like this will be an easy
press tour for me to sail through by calling home
my best friend, which I've seen her do multiple times.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
It is really interesting, and it's also just while that
like Amanda is leaning in but the press, I've only
seen the two of them. There's like so many people
in this movie, and it's just like the two of
them together, which I think it's similar to what we
were saying about Ariana Grande and Cynthia Revo is like
to dispute any form of like bitchiness between cast or tension,
you have to go the complete other way and you

(18:31):
kind of have to do overdo it, yes, to show
that you're definitely friends.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And you can even joke.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Now you can't even joke, and I'm like, you have
to look like you're in love with your female coast star.
So people think that you're on good terms.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, because otherwise I'll read in any little thing like
I mean, like.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
What I'm doing right now, Yes, like you're not really friends.
I know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I mean. The thing is there is a world where
they just got along fine. Now they're on the press too,
and they're just like, this is fun holding hands. Yeah exactly.
But as we've seen before with like a Blake Lively
and Anna Kendrick, you know, because yes, that's what you
can't do it exactly like they did that for the
first Simple Favorite movie. I think thinking that that would
be a cute, funny thing because I've both had that
kind of dry sense of humor, and Kendrick more than Blake.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Lively, But I don't know it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
It was just their that was their vibe, and people
really took that the wrong way and they've never really
recovered from that, even though they would have made a
second movie together, which I don't believe they would have
done if they truly hated each other, because like, they
can get a paycheck somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's so true. So The Housemaid it's out in Cinema's
unboxing day. I don't think we have tickets to that yet.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
We not have tickets, yeat, but I promise you can
be my possiblee Thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I I really want to I just like like literally
regressed into this. I really want to see it. I
don't care. I want to be in this movie so badly.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes, yes, well we'll go maybe an IMAX launch, maybe
not sitting in the front row.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Though not sitting in that.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's actually really scary, so I do have to sit
next you.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I got okay.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I was going to read the book first, but maybe
because I normally Rea, I don't read the book. Oh
really yeah, well then we can come up from two
different Yes, I got like real, John, it is scared, okay,
so be what.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Breaking celebrity news from our favorite pop culture and entertainment podcast,
New Heights.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Heights. I ruined my life.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I was so scared.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
This is going to be my top Spotify podcast because
I don't mostly listen to my podcast on Apple, but
I'll listen to this one because I listen to it
for work when we have to. And I was like,
if that comes up, I'm just going to throw my phone.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Re brand. We have to re brand as a sports podcast. Yeah,
well I'm between that and Drive to Survive.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
We are now sports podcast. So New Heights.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
If you're on a cross hosted by Travis Kelcey and
Jason kelce it's mostly just bros chatting, but they do
get guests on there, and they're getting a lot of
really big guests at the moment because.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I wonder how safe Yeah, I wonder how.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
But it's also just a little safe space for the
you know, the brows to come and show with them.
No tough questions. There are so one. George Clooney was
on their podcast this week.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh yeah, you were wondering how he's involved. Okay, it
all makes sense now, okay.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And Travis Kelsey, you do get anyone now that I've
had Taylor, So if they can get anyone, we.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Need to start dating a list. Okay, well, how did
they just do it? LB, you're the one who's on
the right away. No one who meets them all the time.
I've been on the waitlist for eight years. I don't
think it's gonna move right now.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, I'll work on that for next year.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Oh my god, I don't really start doing something.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
They're aren't very attractive.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Can I just tell you that I've only met one
or two that are truly attractive, and I bet if
you've spent more time with them, they wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
So I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
That's going to be our twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Okay, I'll put it in our KPIs anyway. George Clooney
went on the New Heights podcast and hard hitting journalist
Travis Kelsey asked him about the allegations that he has
brought up previously that he and his wife Amaal Clooney
haven't fought in the over ten years that they have
been married, because he've said that before in interviews. He's like,
we've never had a fight, never a crossword between us,
and Travis was like, is that true? And George was

(21:55):
like pretty much like double down and was like absolutely,
you know, we don't fight. That's just not what we're
going to do. And then George Clooney said, just so
you know, you're never going to win the argument, so
why get into it. And then this is the interesting
part that's making headlines today is that Travis Kelsey agreed
with him, and he said, well, Taylor and I have
only been together for two and a half years, and
you're right. We have never gotten into an argument, not once, never,

(22:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
And Jason's just sitting there like.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Jason's like, Kylie and I fight a lot, and we
often do it on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
It's just a random thing to say. It just feels
very like my dick's bigger than your dick, like as in,
like imagine if you're interviewing someone and they're like, we've
never fought, We've never fought, and you're like really, and
they're like, yeah, we've never fought, and you're like, yeah,
I've never fought either.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm like why that's been so interesting?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So not true.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
That's the interesting thing about this because this kind of
was blown up a little bit today. So the headlines
are everywhere. Travis Kelsey says he and Taylor Swift don't fight,
and anything about their relationship is obviously going to get
a few headlines. But what I was super interested in
is when I clicked into all the comments for two years,
two and a half years, Wow, I thought, like they
just got together last week. Didn't we just live that

(23:03):
whole like her on the at the football game and
then him walking into the concert, and it just seems
like yesterday when he was like, I'm in a date
tailor switch, I'm like, can that man get her name
out of his mouth?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Trying to I didn't know. I didn't know they were
already dating. Sorry when I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So what people are upset about coming back to that,
is that a lot of people, as we know, heavily
invested in this love story of the pop star and
the jock and how cute they are together, and him
winning the super Bowl and her running down to kiss him,
and her calling him out on the stage while she's
singing it's also beautiful and romantic, and then that beautiful
proposal scene that we saw through their photos of the

(23:39):
flower garden and her saying, your English teacher and your
dim teacher getting married. People are all in on this
fairy tale. And when a lot of fans saw this
revelation they don't fight. They would truly upset and sadden
for them because they think their relationship now is not
going to work. And the comments are like, oh my god,
I was rooting for this. I can't believe this. Everyone's like,
it's such a red flag. If you don't fight, you're

(24:00):
not truly in a relationship. When you have your first fight,
everything's going to crumble. So there's like this weird sense
of morning today. That's so weird that their relationship.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh my gosh, No, I know.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
But I think a lot of people are just projecting
their own thoughts about relationships someone to them because they
find that a red flag to be marrying someone and
like building a life with someone that you've never had
an argument with.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I don't think it's Wait, there's a few things. Okay,
so let's go back to George Clooney, the instigator, the
instigator of this all, George Clooney. I kind of believe
that he's never fought with a Mile because I feel
like there has to be something wrong with you if
you're fighting with a Mile Cloney.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, Like she's like a profession and all famous lawyer,
human rights lawyer, literally would talk you under the table, perfection.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay, done with that. Back to Travis. I don't believe
the idea that if you haven't fought, that means it's
not a real relationship. I think that's insane.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Interesting. I thought you might have gone the other way.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
But I do think they have fought. Okay, I think
their lives are so different that you would have to
have some sort of arguments. And I think when we
think we say the word fighting and we say the argument,
we always either picture like physical or yelling. And I'm like,
there are so many arguments that happen that's not even
like that at all. I did a piece on like

(25:17):
the six argument styles. Oh, and I feel like we
can figure I feel like we can figure out exactly
which ones they are quickly read them through. Yeah, please
do Okay. So you first have the compromiser. So this
is a person that like, if you're arguing with someone,
you don't want to win, and you don't want them
to win either. You just want to come to a
nice compromise. Yeah, so that's just like, let's compromise.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
But it has to start with a bit of a
I don't like this, you don't like that. So you
get that like mini argumentation, and then you compromise. Okay.
Then you have the low blower. This is when you're
arguing and arguing and arguing over something and then you
just want to take digs at them. So you bring
up something that they did like five years ago, right,
and you're like, hey, but remember when you wanted to

(26:02):
go to the zoo and then I didn't want to
go to zoo, and yet we went to the zoo. Well,
now I want to go to.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
The right So you just like you're just throwing a
little bar and also you're ugly, yeah, and I hate
your face and your feet, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well just be mean.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Like now we're not even arguing, you're just bullying
me essentially.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay. Then you have the gas lder. Oh, this is
like when you want to like have a conversation and
you're trying to get into an argument, but they're just
kind of shutting you down as going like you're crazy,
Like they're not arguing back when they're like making you
feel crazy for thinking that you're going to argue. It's
been through one of those, okay, okay. And then you
have the people pleaser. They just hate confrontations, so you

(26:41):
never argue with them because I'll just do whatever you
want to do because I just want to please you.
The silencer, Oh, this is a person one.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Do these sound like a rogue band of superheroes?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, I kind of just.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Went through all of my extra relationships and in this
article it does sound like an friend Marble, but it
just did like a quiet one season drop on Disney
Plus and then went away exactly like a pilot episode.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
The silencer is the person and who won't argue, but
they also you know, they're mad, but they're like, it's fine,
nothing's wrong, don't worry about it. And you're like, I
know it's not fine, Like it's that's almost worse.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
He's like, I know it's not like builds up, yeah okay.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And then the Finisher, Oh, another superhero, the Finisher. I
feel like I sometimes fall into this. This is an
arguer that like, no matter what they're arguing and what
it's about, they have to win, right, oh cost they
all just keep going and going and going until they win.
So with Travis and Taylor in mind, I feel like

(27:40):
we have a mix of both that work together. I
feel like Travis is a silencer, right. I think he's
the kind of person who's a bit like I'm fine,
don't worry about fine, and she's like little and she's
like tell me what's wrong and he's like not there,
you're fine. And I feel like Taylor could be a
mix of a compromiser and a finisher.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I feel like she wants to always win the argument,
and I feel like she does win the argument under
the disguise of a compromise.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay, wow, you pull up. I mean I actually think,
I actually think I other women do that.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think a lot of women know how to win
an argument through using those methods, using those methods and
making it feel like the other person has also won.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean that you do want to come out
of an argument thinking growth people have one. So I
guess the big question now.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Is how do we get this article to Taylor and Travis?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Oh? Yeah, because I feel like they're not going to
check their dms. You know we could do We could
send it to marketing at New Heights Podcasts dot com.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, who is the title? Ad spend because you know
those emails get straight away.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
We'd like to give you a three billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, we love to buy an ad on your because
they do a lot of ads in the pod. We
love to do an ad on your podcast and they
open it and it's like, here's the fighting styles.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
You guys should probably.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Look change the photos of the two of them. Yeah,
the Heather image.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, I feel like again, he's like a kind of
a meathead kind of bruta that he might just go
in his little man caven sulk. But I wonder if
they fight, if she is the kind of person who
goes up into her room because she's a and then
writes him like a fifty page handwritten letter with all
her thoughts double sided, and then slips.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like thirty two pages and then and it's all like
lyrically beautiful.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
It all runs I'm confused now, Yeah, and I just
feel like he is not really grasping a lot of
what's happening there. And so then they just decide that
they both don't understand what's happening and they just walk away.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah. Actually that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Maybe I need to add someone to my list, a
new Avenger.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's next the walk away.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
The lyric gets this team up is going to be so,
I guess just to finish, I don't believe Taylor and
Travis are doomed.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I don't believe they're doomed, but I do believe they argue.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I do believe that they're I think he was.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Just like in the George Clooney esc of it, Yeah,
because he wanted to tells you something. I'm going to
be like, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I know he's the ultimate every guy. I thinks George
Clooney is just the coolest, Like every woman's a bit
in love with him, not me, because I get dad
vibes from a but.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
From George Clooney.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
No, he looks like a dad. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Maybe because I don't have a dad. I'm just I'm projecting.
He's always seemed.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like old and kind of like goofy.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I don't know, I don't I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Remember him about George Clooney in Ocean's eleven.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
No, even in that he's got dad. There's no hot
men in that movie. They're just all quirky.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's why I like. I think it's why I like it.
It's like a safe little watch.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
My dream dad is being in there, is being in
that high stood on eleven of them.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
You're not looking for different things. He feels like he
gives goofy dad energy.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
He's all about jokes and pranks and just being like,
oh and I always just do what the missus says.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like he's like a little wife guy, like he is.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
A wife guy.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Maybe. I mean, obviously I've seen him in his hottest rolls.
Like out of sight and whatnot. But I don't know.
I'm just like, there's Dad doing his thing in his
hot movie.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I think this was the hottest take of the Hot Podcast.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
George Dad energy. Yeah. I do think maybe Travis was
just trying to be George Clooney.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, and you know what, Mom can't blame.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Them, Yeah, exactly. So I think they're going to be fine.
I do think if they haven't thought that they're first,
especially as they go into wedding planning and.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Attention to that, it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Be on us fight, It's going to be That would
be her whole next album.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Travis, No, you can't wear your jersey to the reception.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
We're not getting married on the football field. We're not
doing hot dogs for appetizers and names.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
We're not getting married at the Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean that would be fun. So what a fun time.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Thanks George Clooney, Thank you so much for listening to
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Speaker 3 (31:57):
Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.
We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigal people of
the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past
and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and

(32:20):
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