December 2, 2025 • 33 mins
It’s that special time of year when we must revisit Tom Cruise’s strangest (and most iconic) holiday tradition — the infamous ‘coconut cake list.’ We’re diving into how this sugary gift became an elite Hollywood status symbol, who’s made the cut this year, and who’s been heartbreakingly dropped… and is still absolutely devo about it.
Plus, a brand new rom-com is on the way, and the trailer alone has sent us into a full spiral. It stars two actors who were once pegged as the next big thing — and now might be hoping this film is their ticket to a much-needed career revival.
And Elizabeth Olsen has opened up about what it was really like growing up in the shadow of Mary-Kate and Ashley. From childhood fame chaos to carefully distancing herself from nepotism, her new interview paints a picture of one of Hollywood’s most fascinating families.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast from Mom and
Me Out. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
I'm Laura Brodnek, and today I'm joined by two special guests.
I'm Bree Player.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm the executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm Anisus Warren, executive producer of the Spill.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
There's three of us today because we have three huge
topics to cover, so we needed three minds together to
get through this. First of all, there is a new
romcom coming to cinema soon and it stars two people
who were supposed to be the biggest stars in Hollywood
before they both fell off the face of the earth
for various reasons. We're getting into that. Plus, Elizabeth Olson
is on the press trail at the moment for her
(00:56):
new movie and she's given us a little insight into
her relationship with her very famous sisters. So we're going
to talk about that. But first, it's that special time
of year.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Carol's are out.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's Christmas time, which means that all of Hollywood is
a flurry with who is getting Tom Cruise's infamous Christmas cake?
Are you guys across this or do you have real lives?
Oh my god, no, no, absolutely not a Cruise cake
across a way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I love that he just sort of doesn't like to
speak that much about his personal life, but this is
the detail that we're.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All like this change him in a very big light. Yeah,
So if anyone who's not across this has been happening
for decades. Every year, Tom Cruise sends out his infamous
Christmas cake, which is a white chocolate coconut bunt cake.
It retails for one hundred and thirty dollars US or
around two hundred and forty two hundred and fifty Australian
and it's from this tiny bakery in LA who apparently
(01:47):
are very overwhelmed with how interested everyone is in this
Christmas cake. And it goes out to all of his
past co stars and they all make a real big
song and dance about it.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Who is going to be on this list is the
topic of conversation because you know people who have received
it in the past.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Dakota and El Fanning there on the list.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Angela Bassett's on the list, Tom Hanks, Demmy Fallon, Glenn Powell.
So everyone just really wants to get their name cemented
on the Bunt Cake recipient list.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I feel like that's Glenn Powell's biggest accolade ride do
you do? When he was on the press tour for
Top Gun Maverick, all he was talking about was being
on the.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
List, being on the Cruise Cake list and also joined
by Miles Teller who was his coaster. Another one who's
also on the Cruise Cake list is Kiki dunt Kirston
Dunce because they did interview with the Vampire together back
in nineteen ninety four. Well, he hasn't forgotten. She still
gets it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, and she speaks again very highly of it. She
said it's a big deal in the house every year
when the cake arrives, and she said, the whole family
shouts out, the cruise cake is here. Here's my thing?
Is it like a weird cult almost, Like they all
have this really practice thing whereas if they're in an
interview or at an event and someone brings up the
cruise Cake and the lists are out this year, it's
a whole big thing. They all of a sudden start
talking in this manic way kind of like I am
(02:56):
now about how great the cake is it's the greatest
thing they ever tasted. They can't believe he sends it
to them. It's so nice. Like do you think that
they're like everyone's too scared to say anything about the cake,
or they feel like they have to put on a
song and dance.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Maybe you're just.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Worried you drop off the list.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, you don't want to drop off the list?
Do you want to stay on the Cruise cake list?
And I do think it probably is delicious, but.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't do it. But also like the good flavorite
celebrity top tier celebrities.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But I like that it comes from a small family
owned bakery. It's like a small support local is from
this small family owned bakery around the Calabasas area called
Don's Bakery, And apparently they are they get really overwhelmed
with orders. But all year round people want.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I want to try the Cruise cake.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I want to just know, like is it so good
that it's making people act crazy? Because I don't think
Tom Cruise when he first started this list. I don't
think that he went into bakries looking for what would
be the Christmas cake. I think one of his assistants
or he has all these family working for him. One
of his sisters just came upon that cake and sent
out a hundred and the first like.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
This will do and this is fine. I don't think
it was like his personal favorite.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Maybe. I mean, I don't think they'm an X cake.
I think he's devoid of any kind of joy outside
of like jumping off buildings and doing and stuff like that. Like,
I can't think that he's the kind of person who
has a favorite cake.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I feel like there's a docuseries in this, like Tom's
journey to this case.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What's the connection? I have to know?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, apparently they've had to like sometimes take the phone
off the hook back in the day this bakery, because
it just rings off the hook, not just orders, but
with weirdos like us who are like, we're covering the
Tom Cruise cake story. Can we get a go insight and.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Like a who's on the list.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It must be fascinating though for the bakery, Like you
know when you hear florists talk around, you know, Valentine's Day,
who's ordering flowers for their wife, who's ordering flowers for
their mistress. If I worked at that bakery, I'd be
so fascinated. Each she'd be like, Oh, I can't.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Believe who's dropped off the list?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
How well replaced. All their sources are that TMZ doesn't
have that list. Yeah right. They get like death certificates
from Morgues straight away. Yeah, they get divorce papers from
the moment they go to court. They have people's hospital records.
I'm just saying it's harder to get Tom Cruise's cake
list than it is to get someone sealed medical records.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, they must pride themselves in their confidentiality. They're like,
Tom is not going to continue this agreement unless.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Totally And you know what, that Cruise cake list probably
keeps them afloat the whole year.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right now, like they could shut they open eleven years old.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
That well.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Also, one person who dropped off the list is Brooks Shields,
and she's spoken about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
She said she was on the list for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
She had a good ten year run, got the coconut
cake every year and she was very happy about it.
And now she's off the list. She's like, I want
to get back on that cake list. It's the best
cake I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Again, brook just go buy your own camp by Independent Woman.
And he's done way worse to her, Like I can't
believe she was on it for ten years. And I
wonder if she said something in the press about what happened,
because remember he was Tom Cruise spoke really negatively about
her and the press when she talked about having postpartum depression,
and so she was going on medication and Tom Cruise,
again not affiliated with her, not a doctor. Famously, Tom
(05:54):
Cruise then went on this big press tour about how
dangerous it was for her to take medication and how
awful it was, and then she got really upset, rightfully so,
and then they did like kind of reconcile years later,
and I guess that's when she got on the cake list.
And now ten years later she just dropped off with
no explanation, and she's the only one brave enough to
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's well that she wants to get back on it
this much like I'll just be like, you know what,
I'll just get my own cake this year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think, Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the way
they all talk about it with such reverend tones, it
just makes me feel like the cake is short for something,
like it's some sort of like in for like some
sort of secret society that they have. I wonder also
maybe it's because Brooke talked about the logistics around it.
So she said when she started getting the cake, it
said Mary Christmas from Tom, Katie and Surrey. And then
(06:39):
she said once they broke up, the card that year
just read from Tom. It's not really groundbreaking, but she's
the first one to everyone else really toes the line
with him. It doesn't say anything. So maybe that's why
she dropped off the list.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's like fight club. We don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, we don't talk about the cake.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
If you get the cake, you don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I guess keep an eye on socials this year for
every celebrity who posts about the cake and makes a
big deal of it, because it is sort of seen
as this like badge of honor that they're all weirdly
obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Totally totally, it's like you're on the list, it's important.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, I would never send anyone cake like that. Seems
like a lot of logistics.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I don't think Tom.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think Tom. You don't think he's boxing your hand
written notes.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You Sometimes people who have really big cusinssful careers want
like a little creative.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Out some beating Tom's creative outlet.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So there's a new.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Rom com on the cards, and we get very excited
about new rom coms here at the Spell.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
This one is.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Called You, Me and Tuscany. So I'm not going to
go into who's in it yet. I'm just going to
give you a little bit of a rundown on what
the plot is. It's coming to cinemas next year in April,
and basically such a relatable tale. It's about a girl
called Anna. I think she's like late twenties, ely thirties,
that kind of vibe. She's given up on her dreams
of becoming a chef, her long held dreams. And then,
(07:56):
as you do, she meets a rich Italian man called
Matteo who happens to have an empty villa in Tuscany,
because you know, that's just sort of every Tuesday night.
So then when she finds it about this villa, she
decides she's going to jet off to Tuscany and just
sort of take up residence in this house her best friends.
I'm getting all this from the trailer. By the way,
I haven't seen no idea. I haven't actually seen the movie.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It's months away.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
She goes to Tustany, decides to live in his house,
and then his mom walks in and is like, what
on earth are you doing here? And so she comes
up with this whole lie that she's his fiancee to
basically avoid going to Tuscan jail. And then Mateo's cousin
rocks up because the whole family now think they're engaged.
Mateo has no idea this is going on. His cousin,
who is very, very hot, rocks up and obviously there's sparks,
(08:40):
and that's sort of the premise of like, now she's
saying she's Mateo's fiance she's into the cousin. That sort
of the premise of the movie, set in beautiful Tuscany.
Does this sound like something you would want to go watch?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
When I first heard the premise of this and one
to the trailer, I thought it was going to be
like a Netflix Friday Night. I was about to say, sure,
this is a straight to TV fl No, this is
going straight to cinemia in April, which I mean we
keep saying bring back rom coms. I don't know if
this is going to be the one to like Resurrection
the genre. But you, I mean, I'll go see it.
I'm not turning down people falling in love in Tuscany.
(09:13):
I'll go see it too.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'll be their gold class bottle of champagne between me
and my bestie.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, we're gonna tells me that we're not the audience.
They're trying to sway like we're already, we're on board,
so that all sounds fun, rom comms are back, etcetera, etcetera.
What's really interesting at this is the two actors who
are the lead characters, which is Hallie Bailey better known
as the star of the live action Little Mermaid, and
reggae Jean Page, better known. You both sat up so
(09:42):
straight that I'm like, do you have to say it together? Ye,
Duke of Hastings Man Alive from the first season of Bridgeton.
Two very hot people who I am and personally very
excited to watch them fall in love. But super interesting
when I was watching the trailer because when I was
looking at them, I remembered a point in time where
they had both secured these huge roles these movies where
her movie came out, his TV show came out. They
(10:03):
became these cultural moments and it felt like they were
going to be the next two big things in Hollywood,
that they are going to be the two big movie stars,
and then, for different reasons we're about to get into,
they both kind of disappeared from the spotlight. And I
guess the one that people are most kind of caught
up is is what happened to the Duke after Bridgingston,
Because that's a bit of a it's a point, it's
(10:23):
a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale. It did deeply
affect me when he left the show.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I have to say I actually was so bitter about
it that I didn't enjoy season two. Really, Yeah, John
Bailey didn't, No, he didn't. I feel like every time
I come on the spill, I'm now down talking Jonathan Bailey,
who I love. So this isn't right, But yeah, I
was so deeply disappointed.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
That he left and I just couldn't enjoy it because I.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Felt like like my crush from the show had gone.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And in all those Bridgitton threads, there are always those
memes being like, where are all these.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Projects that Reggae Jean went? Well, now you've got one totally.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But you know what, I'm going to say, look who's
come crawling back to the female gays guys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, exactly thought he was too.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't mean to be a reggae apologist, but I
do feel that maybe he just got some bad advice.
Because Bridgington came out, he was the lead. People loved
Phoebe Danova, who was the female lead actress. The obsession
with him as an actor was so intense.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I do know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
People who cried because they're like, I'm married normally never
feel that love again. Or people who just like, well,
like I can't date anymore because like, no one's going
to be the duke. You talked about the fact when
he left the show, you are heartbroken. So was one
Kimberly Kardashian. She posted like I will never get over this.
I can't watch show anymore. She was so upset. We
as a collective society went through grief because there was
this whole thing that he wasn't coming back for a
(11:46):
season two because they wouldn't pay him the right amount.
But then they said that he said he wasn't going
to come back anyway because he had all of these
like jobs lined up, and he did seem for a
while that that he was Hollywood's big leading man, like
he hosted Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, off the back of one show which is No
One Unbelievable, And he was.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Also in talks to be the new Bond. There was
all the stuff about how he was a front runner
to be a Bond.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do feel like any handsome man that wears a
suit well on a red carpet has Bond claims slung
it exactly great.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Though he'd be a great body.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, I like to in the look, maybe not
in the delivery.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The thing is, like, it's hard because he went away
to do all these big projects and there was so
much buzz around him. And then his first movie that
came out, the Dungeons and Dragons movie. Did you see it?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Free? Absolutely well, I saw it. It was bad, but everyone,
this is the problem. You saw it, so we didn't
have to Exactly. The thing is, I think he just
got some bad advice. And people say Hollywood is a gamble,
like sometimes when you sign on to stuff, you just
don't know what's going to take off and what's not.
Because I think he thought with Dungeons and Dragons, because
that's already such a huge property, that that was going
(12:53):
to launch him into leading a franchise. But that movie
came out, people didn't love it, and it kind of
just forgotten very quickly. And then he did like a
Netflix series and that was forgotten very quickly, and then
there was just a long empty part of his IMDb
where like, I'm sure he was just in sorrow that
he'd walked away from Bridgington because the whole thing was
his thinking, which I kind of understand. He was like,
(13:15):
my career is so hot right now, people love me
after the first season of Bridgington. Why would I waste
six months of my life on the film shoot just
to be kind of in the background.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Total bench character from season two onwards, which is I
guess fair.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But then everyone's like, but Jonathan Bailey did it. He
did his doing Jurassic Come on, I know. Well, that's
the thing people kind of think is that Jonathan Bailey
has the career that Reggae would have had if he'd
stuck around. I agree with.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Not in that like Jonathan Stolen rolls out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't think he was going to be can that
man sing? Do we know? Does what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I do think that with any kind of show
like Bridgitton, you do get one, you know, you get
the ones that are like the front runners, that get
those roles and become.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The leading man. You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They can't all be a leading man, right Jonathan Bailey
is that guy?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And really maybe, like it's not like Reggae hasn't had
the chances. He's out there, he's auditioning, he's either not
getting them or the ones he's getting aren't translating. So well,
So do we love Reggae or do we just love
the Duke?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, that's my thing. I think it does come to
the fact people just love that character and that storyline,
and he's very smoldering in it. But please don't come
for me also change my dress off to this? Is
he that good in that part? I don't think he's
a great actor, But so lots of hot people in
Hollywood not great actors, and I don't hold against them. No,
I tend to agree with the place for just hotness
in the world. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, and this is a situation where I do think
the hotness did a big lifts.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
The hotness was working.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I mean that role, like the Duke is almost a
modeling role in some ways. Yes, very prosy, we're smoldering,
we're doing the sexy shoots. I don't think it's like
one that you've got to really go method put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
To bring that character to life.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
So whether that means you can translate to actually playing
other roles, I don't know. And I mean some could
say this rom com maybe doesn't require huge acting chops either.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All his hotness is like or come out of retirement
to do their heavy lifting again.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
He came out of retirement in the trailer where his
abs are out and he's standing in the vineyards and
there's like water trickling down on him, and he was like, yeah,
I still got it, you know. Yeah, Well, his hotness
is well and truly coming out of retirement because he's
got another rather sexy project in the works at the moment,
doesn't he.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes, he's firmly back in the Netflix family, which I
guess is fair enough because that's where he found fame.
So Reggae is actually going to starr in and executive
produce new series called Hancock Park. So that series will
be about a Los Angeles high society family who is
struggling to hold onto their status, and all we know
right now about that is that it might be another
huge show for him on Netflix. I mean, look, give
(15:54):
that hotness an Academy Award because it is doing the
most work there. I do feel like people really like
mock and laugh at him, which I feel bad for
the hot man that feel that bad people kind of
acting like his career tanks, but also that first burst
of fame, like You've got to really make the right
choice there, and I think a lot of people don't.
And I'm wonder if all the people around him will, like,
don't go back to Bridgeton. It takes you out of
(16:14):
the game for six months to barely be in it.
Go and star in this big franchise, which for anyone
else would be a safe bet because I mean, the
Jurassic Park movie was pretty terrible that Jonathan Bailey was in,
and he's not good in it, but he had kind
of enough goodwill to push past that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, And it's interesting that he's gonna star with Hallie
Bailey in this from Colon because she's had a similar
sort of trajectory in terms of having that big breakout
role with the Little Mermaid.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And she didn't do a lot before that. I knew
of I know, she.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Had a YouTube duo, like she was doing music with
her sister Chloe and they had a duo and that
was big on YouTube, But I hadn't seen her in
anything mainstream before that. So it's sort of interesting that
she was much like him, seemed to be destined for
success in the Hollywood world, and then it doesn't quite
seem to have turned out that way?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Does it up up until now? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Her story, I feel like, is it more of a
kind of a serious one of kind of like what
can happen to young women at Spotlight? As a side note,
I feel like it's really surprising that you didn't know
who Halle Bailey was before this, because you do see
like the target markets.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Gaps in my knowledge, I do understand why you would
say that though.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She's like squarely in that kind of like teen music part.
Did you guys see the live action Little Mermaid?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, I thought she was incredible. But there was such
backlash for many reasons. Obviously, the terrible one was that
a lot of people were like, we don't want a
woman of color playing this role. That's not historically accurate.
To the fictional mermaid character that she is, and also
people saying that she just like had been given it
as like kind of a like a woke kind of thing,
and that she wasn't a good actress, even though the
directors said that they saw so many people for the
(17:43):
role over and over again, they kept coming back to her,
and I thought she was really great.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
She was actually incredible, and her voice is so beautiful.
I don't know how anyone who saw that and heard
her sing part of your World didn't walk away and go,
you know what, she deserved this role because she was
beautiful in it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm convinced a lot of the backlash was from people
who didn't even see the movie, because even when they
announced that casting, everyone was like, but you know, in
the Quintus and Jewel animation, like the animated half fish
woman was whitey.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Anyway, there's a lot of plotholes there. I also wonder
if she because she's got a really beautiful singing voice
and she's so good on screen, but I feel like
she doesn't have that kind of big movie star personality
that do we demand from actors on press tours Now,
to go on a press tour and like tell these
crazy stories or like be really over the top or
have these little gimmicks. And I remember when I interviewed
her and a lot of other people Jones interviewed her,
(18:33):
she was just like very quiet, very reserved, quite overwhelmed,
as you would be. When I interviewed her as her
and Melissa McCarthy together. She was polite, but she was
looking down. She kept looking over to Melissa before she answered.
She'd kind of do like a little nervous laugh. And
I just wonder if, like, because TikTok and social sells
movies now in such a way, because she was shy
on the press tour, she was kind of punished for
(18:55):
it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I had a similar experience interviewing her as well, and
I felt actually she was just so nervous to say
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Because she had been so attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and I think going intowenty things where you are
on the world stage like that and you've already been
teared down, it's so overwhelming for a young woman particularly,
And I think we've seen the same with Rachel Ziegler
with Snow White. I kind of actually feel like, and
I love a live action Disney movie, so I don't
want them to stop, because I do personally enjoy them, really,
(19:27):
but I don't know if they're the best for the
careers of the actresses that score those princess roles.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I do wonder if that's kind of the vibe now,
because at first it felt like the golden ticket, like
you get in a Disney live action that's going to
launch your career. It's a sure fire bet. And now
because people have such like you're saying, it has such
a hold over these fictional characters, there's no way to
please everyone with the way you interpret it, especially because
they want to stick to these really old school fairy
tales and people don't love the new ways that they're
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being done.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, and she really went through it as well because
she got pregnant and not that long after, and she
got a lot of backlash during that phase as well.
In the people were really mad that she kept the
pregnancy to herself, and we're sort of coming her being like,
you were gas lighting us and lying to us because
she didn't announce the pregnancy. She waited till the birth
of her child, which I believe was in January last year,
(20:16):
and that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Was quite strange.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
The reaction that she got from that seemed like it
seems like a very big reaction to something that isn't
that huge of a deal.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, there were all these things around and one pa,
You're right, people being really angry because it kind of
leaked that she was pregnant a few months before she
gave birth, which again, that's kind of horrific having that
out there. So her Instagram pages and no social pages were
feeling on people saying, we know you're pregnant, stop hiding it,
stopping ashamed, just tell us. There were all these blind
items written about it, and then when she did say
she had a baby, there was this kind of like
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backlash from fans saying, you've let us down. You were
meant to be this big star. She wasn't a teen,
but like you're promoting like, you know, young pregnancy and
women giving up their lives to become a mother, like
all these kind of things. Basically, people felt betrayed that
she didn't tell them, and they felt betrayed that she
had had a baby at all. And I feel like
she just stepped completely back from the spotlight and was like,
I want nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, it does feel like she's gone through a lot
for having sort of had this one main, big movie
where she was in the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
She's copped alone.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
She's spoken out about it and basically said, like, I've
learned from that spotlight over the past few years. If
I'm being honest, I've been.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Burned by it too, as we all have.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And then she sort of said, you know, I didn't
want to talk about my perfect little baby because that
was like my happy place and I didn't want to
sort of put that up and expose that to the
world to also be torn down in a way. So
she has really been through it, and I hope that
this movie could maybe be a step towards like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
A nice I feel like she just needed a bit
of time to I mean, again, once we get this person,
we don't know, but it's like, of course, you're not
going to tell people you're pregnant when they're the same
people who were tearing you down. And then she had
to get a restraining order art against the father of
her baby because he physically assaulted her multiple times, and
there's all these other allegations that are in the court papers,
but that was a huge thing. So again I feel
(21:54):
like there's a whole fan of people who've now seen
this movie. I know we were laughing at it, but
we're all like, we're all going to see it obviously,
probably multiple times. I think it's nice that she's not
come out on the other side of it, because we
don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But I think
it's nice that she's sort of was able to step
away from the Spotlight deal with her personal staff, hopefully
step away from all these haters, and then come back
and be able to go make a big screen movie
(22:15):
and work on other projects and maybe release music.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, so maybe this will be the I don't know
if I should say come.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Back, because I guess hasn't been that stepping stone. And
I do really want the best for her because I
think she's talented, she's gorgeous, and I would love to
see her in more.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, and she got to kiss Reggae. I mean that's great.
The drag she's had a lovely time and he's just
there with his hotness. The two of them on the
press two I think might be fun. Maybe they'll be
less kind of they've already been through these two traumatic
like different markers of their career. Maybe this time. They
just have a lovely time with their rom com.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, they might bring out the fun side of each other.
We never know, but we'll be front row anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
We will. And doesn't love love, Yeah, especially in Tuscany. Yeah,
absolutely so. Elizabeth Olson is on the press trail for
her new movie Eternity at the moment. More of that
to come on the Spill later this week. In a
new interview with The Times, she was asked about her
family and her childhood and how she grew up, and
she talked about being the youngest of four. So if
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anyone's not across, Elizabeth Olsen is the youngest of the
Olsen children. So we have James, and I only know
his name because of the defunct's clothing line, Elizabeth and James.
But I'm sure he's having a lovely time at the spotlight,
letting his famous sisters shine. But most notably her older
sisters are the Olsen twins, Mary, Kate and Ashley. So
she doesn't talk about them too much, but they do
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come up in interviews, and I think she's sometimes got
some very set answers prepared. So she was talking about
growing up as the youngest of the kids and how
it was very calm, and how she didn't want to
get into acting immediately and stayed out of the spotlight
as a kid, especially because she was watching her sisters
be on Full House and they'd make twenty movies and
have a clothing line and kind of be these big
(23:54):
moguls at the age of five. And this is the
line that's been pulled out that a lot of outlets
are running with. I guess to make it sound like
there's like a bit of drama behind the scenes, is
she said that her twin sisters were forced to support
her in career early on. If you look at the headlines,
it looks like they were forced to put her in movies,
forced to like support her, you know, give her money,
(24:14):
all that sort of stuff. But if you read the
full interview, it's like they were forced to come to
my school plays and talks about them being very supportive.
But I guess Olsen twins is like a lightning rod
for gossip, right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Of course, and every time she does an interview, she's
going to be asked about her famous sisters. It's the
connection that everyone anchors her to and it's like a
child of famous actors, you know, as soon as they
are in front of an interviewer, they going to ask
about what it was like growing up with famous mom
and dad. Well, in this case, it's the Olsen twins
who were on our screens since, like, my whole childhood
(24:48):
was watching the Elson twins, So I want to know
about them. I can't blame others, you know, I've interviewed
Elizabeth Olson myself, and of course, of course I asked
for gossip.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
About the twins?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Did she give you?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
And you want to know?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I mean, you know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
They're her sisters, but you're not going to get like major, major,
major gossip from her. She knows what she is doing.
But I do think this is interesting and I think
for the times to pull this out and to say, oh,
she was you know, they were forced to support her,
I mean, well by going to her plays.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But yeah, isn't that just what siblings do? Yeah, I
think it's very much. We're just even more desperate to
know about this famous family than other famous families, because
I think there's other families where there's like whole deficitism
thing of like the mum and the kids or the
brothers and sisters, but they're all doing interviews. They're all
on red carpets, they're all sharing things on Instagram, so
it doesn't feel as scandalous. But the Awesome Twins have
(25:38):
disappeared so incredibly well from view. They don't do interviews,
even like for their fashion label, The Row, it's like,
no cameras at the fashion shows, no images come out.
They've rarely seen around New York, They've rarely seen at events.
They don't post on social so I think the first
information about them is so intense.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
There's that intriguing Yeah, right, Well it's interesting because I
think now they're definitely fashion designers before they are actors,
whereas they grew up being actors.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But people change what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And I guess now with Elizabeth being out doing the press,
to her, she's like this pipeline of like secret information
to them because everyone's been wondering what the ins and
outs their lives are like for so long. Even though
she always says like growing up, she tried very hard
to sort of keep it separate, and she was always like,
if I make it as an actress, I don't want
to be Elizabeth Olson. I want to be Elizabeth Chase,
like her middle name to sort of keep that separation
(26:30):
and not be a nepo's sister.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I hate when I just say that. Again. The thing is,
you can't actually hide who you are, so I know that.
Part of the interview, she says that she was always
going to audition as Elizabeth Chase. Here's the thing is,
like everyone knows that she's Elizabeth Olson. It's like when
Kate Winsley was talking about her daughter Mia getting her
first big acting role and she's booking all these TV
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shows and movies. And when Kate was asked about it,
she was very proud, of course being a mum, but
she said, oh, it's a great thing about it is
that she's a different last name to me, so no
one knew who she was. And I was like, Kate, one,
I know what your daughter's name is, and that's only
a real weird parasocial like I know that your daughter's
name is Mia Threpleton. And if I know that, you're
telling me that because her father's a famous director. Again,
(27:14):
so you've got nippowing on two sides.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
You also like, maybe that would help her with getting
auditions anyway, you could introduce her at a party.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It's not all about the name.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, exactly. I'm sure people know what she looks like,
so understand why they do it. Because everyone wants to
be like they earned on their own, they did on
their own, or like Matthew McConaughey recently saying that his
son LEVI got a role in his movie because he
auditioned under a fake name. And again, I'm like, so,
I'm not a stalker about you take your son on
red carpets all the time if I know what your
son looks like. The Producers is a movie you've been
working out for years and directors know exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, it's interesting because also Elizabeth Olson looks like her sisters.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
The spitting image of her twin sisters.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
I don't think there's any hiding in it. She can
choose whatever last name she wants. She's an Olson through
and through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It is interesting what you say about the sibling thing,
because I feel the same about the Culkins, right, so
obviously when you know, because McCaulay went into hiding a
bit of well like the Olsen twins did. But then,
of course, Kieran's had this illustrious career ever since. He's
a loose cannon, unlike Elizabeth so you know, you can
ask him anything and he'll blab.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
But it is interesting with the sibling thing.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I think it sometimes works just as much as
being the NEPO baby of famous parents. And I don't
think it like it's gonna make or break your career.
I think you still have to get on the set
and do a good performance and carry a franchise or
carry a movie. But it all gets you in the
room and that's the hardest part. And the thing with
Elizabeth Olson is I would never have sort of even
like this would have entered my head if she hadn't
(28:41):
sort of brought it up and said like I was
going to hide my identity, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, there's a bit of an art to being a
NEPO baby or a nepo sibling, I think, And it's
not going to be extreme of wanting that separation because
some people carry it very well. I mean, like with
el Fanning and Dakota Fanning. At the time when she
was becoming famous, I probably thought of el Fanning as
Dakota's younger sister, but now I just think of el
Fanning as el Fanny.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, And I just think there's.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
A bit of an art to how you navigate it,
because if you don't go ham on the fact that
you wanted that separation, people are less likely to critique
you for it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How do you feel about Elizabeth now? Because I do
see her as Elizabeth Olsoon the actress. I know that
she is the Olsen Twins sister, but she's had quite
a decent career.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, to me, I feel like there's enough separation there,
especially because they're so in this fashion world now that
it's not like, oh, their movie's coming out and her
movie's coming out. It's there's quite a bit of distinction exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I see her as a standalone actress now
because again, I think the MEPO thing gets you a
few roles, but it doesn't kind of elevate you to
where she is now without having that level of talent.
It's kind of interesting because she drops little things about
her sisters, but I think she's a lot more reserved now.
Like I think people are pulling this out just because
they're hungry for any kind of information. But do you
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guys remember when she's on a talk show or a podcast,
they asked her, like, which of her sisters she's closest
to and I remember listening and I was like, oh,
she's not going to answer that, and she goes, well,
let's just say it was just my birthday and Ashley
text me and Mary Kate didn't, and that's I've got
two sisters would say that. But like I'm remember that
really blowing up into a thing of like Ashley is
the favorite sister and like Mary Kate and Elizabeth don't
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get along. I'm sure afterwards she was like, oh my god,
like I just yeah, my sister got to text me
my birthday. It's fine. I'm sure she'll get to it.
Or when she was signing paparazzi photos in front of
her hotel and a paparazzi stopped her and said you're
so much nicer than your sister's and then she walks
away that she turns back around, she was, yeah, because
you tortured them their whole lives and then walked away
and say stuff like that. But I think every soft
(30:34):
and she gets like, you know what she.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Did say on a show once that always stuck with me,
which was advice she got from her sisters, which was
that no is a full sentence, and that has always
stuck with me.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I didn't really take it on board myself.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
For recent years. I wish I had, But I love.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
That they.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
That they lived by that and that's how they've done
their career, and that she's taken it on board too,
because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I'd also love to just be a fly on the
wall in their family group chats after these various revelations
come out, when, for example, she said that she's closer
to Ashley than Mary Kate, Like, I'd love to know.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Is it like a bit of all goodess? Or are
they all just in the family group chat? Like why
do you have to answer that, Elizabeth?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I get the vibe, but they don't have a family
group chat or do but the Olsen twins aren't in
it or Mary Kate's not. She's definitely the odd ball.
The only superpower I have, Like, the only good thing
I have is I can always tell celebrity twins apart.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You also know every celebrities child.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Two useless facts. But I just think I'm just gonna
go on a limit say that Mary Kate's in the
group chat or that they don't have one, because there's
something about them that's so weirdly old school cool and like,
I don't know, I reckon they're dialing on the old
home phone, and I kind.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Of feel like Mary Kate just wouldn't care Y.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I get that too, because they've stepped so far away
from the spotlight, like the allegations against the Olsen twins
when they were running their business and with allegations from
the interns that were treated really badly, they didn't make
a bunch of public statements. But I think that's the
kind of first time they really jumped into action because
their reputation as business owners was and the reputation of
the business they had built. But apart from that, I
(32:11):
think they don't care what is out in the world
and what people say about them because they're not public
facing anymore and they don't rely on press to sell
their products.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, if anything, I guess for Elizabeth it matters probably
more how these things come out and the way that
she is now, especially fronting this movie, as opposed to
how it is for them in their current era.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, because the row is famously so outrageously expensive as well,
that they don't even really need to appeal to them.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yes, because they don't want to. They don't want us
to wear the Royal come in their shops. They would
like Mary Kate Ashley. If they saw me, they'd be like,
we rather you didn't come. We're not.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
We're not worthy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, we'll link the full interview now show notes if
you'd like to read it. And yeah, to be a
fly on the wall of the awesome house.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
There's three of us today because we have three huge
topics to cover, so we needed three minds together to
get through this. First of all, there is a new
romcom coming to cinema soon and it stars two people
who were supposed to be the biggest stars in Hollywood
before they both fell off the face of the earth
for various reasons. We're getting into that. Plus, Elizabeth Olson
is on the press trail at the moment for her
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new movie and she's given us a little insight into
her relationship with her very famous sisters. So we're going
to talk about that. But first, it's that special time
of year.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Carol's are out.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's Christmas time, which means that all of Hollywood is
a flurry with who is getting Tom Cruise's infamous Christmas cake?
Are you guys across this or do you have real lives?
Oh my god, no, no, absolutely not a Cruise cake
across a way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I love that he just sort of doesn't like to
speak that much about his personal life, but this is
the detail that we're.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All like this change him in a very big light. Yeah,
So if anyone who's not across this has been happening
for decades. Every year, Tom Cruise sends out his infamous
Christmas cake, which is a white chocolate coconut bunt cake.
It retails for one hundred and thirty dollars US or
around two hundred and forty two hundred and fifty Australian
and it's from this tiny bakery in LA who apparently
(01:47):
are very overwhelmed with how interested everyone is in this
Christmas cake. And it goes out to all of his
past co stars and they all make a real big
song and dance about it.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Who is going to be on this list is the
topic of conversation because you know people who have received
it in the past.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Dakota and El Fanning there on the list.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Angela Bassett's on the list, Tom Hanks, Demmy Fallon, Glenn Powell.
So everyone just really wants to get their name cemented
on the Bunt Cake recipient list.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I feel like that's Glenn Powell's biggest accolade ride do
you do? When he was on the press tour for
Top Gun Maverick, all he was talking about was being
on the.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
List, being on the Cruise Cake list and also joined
by Miles Teller who was his coaster. Another one who's
also on the Cruise Cake list is Kiki dunt Kirston
Dunce because they did interview with the Vampire together back
in nineteen ninety four. Well, he hasn't forgotten. She still
gets it every year.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, and she speaks again very highly of it. She
said it's a big deal in the house every year
when the cake arrives, and she said, the whole family
shouts out, the cruise cake is here. Here's my thing?
Is it like a weird cult almost, Like they all
have this really practice thing whereas if they're in an
interview or at an event and someone brings up the
cruise Cake and the lists are out this year, it's
a whole big thing. They all of a sudden start
talking in this manic way kind of like I am
(02:56):
now about how great the cake is it's the greatest
thing they ever tasted. They can't believe he sends it
to them. It's so nice. Like do you think that
they're like everyone's too scared to say anything about the cake,
or they feel like they have to put on a
song and dance.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Maybe you're just.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Worried you drop off the list.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, you don't want to drop off the list?
Do you want to stay on the Cruise cake list?
And I do think it probably is delicious, but.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't do it. But also like the good flavorite
celebrity top tier celebrities.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But I like that it comes from a small family
owned bakery. It's like a small support local is from
this small family owned bakery around the Calabasas area called
Don's Bakery, And apparently they are they get really overwhelmed
with orders. But all year round people want.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I want to try the Cruise cake.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I want to just know, like is it so good
that it's making people act crazy? Because I don't think
Tom Cruise when he first started this list. I don't
think that he went into bakries looking for what would
be the Christmas cake. I think one of his assistants
or he has all these family working for him. One
of his sisters just came upon that cake and sent
out a hundred and the first like.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
This will do and this is fine. I don't think
it was like his personal favorite.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Maybe. I mean, I don't think they'm an X cake.
I think he's devoid of any kind of joy outside
of like jumping off buildings and doing and stuff like that. Like,
I can't think that he's the kind of person who
has a favorite cake.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I feel like there's a docuseries in this, like Tom's
journey to this case.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What's the connection? I have to know?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, apparently they've had to like sometimes take the phone
off the hook back in the day this bakery, because
it just rings off the hook, not just orders, but
with weirdos like us who are like, we're covering the
Tom Cruise cake story. Can we get a go insight and.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Like a who's on the list.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It must be fascinating though for the bakery, Like you
know when you hear florists talk around, you know, Valentine's Day,
who's ordering flowers for their wife, who's ordering flowers for
their mistress. If I worked at that bakery, I'd be
so fascinated. Each she'd be like, Oh, I can't.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Believe who's dropped off the list?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
How well replaced. All their sources are that TMZ doesn't
have that list. Yeah right. They get like death certificates
from Morgues straight away. Yeah, they get divorce papers from
the moment they go to court. They have people's hospital records.
I'm just saying it's harder to get Tom Cruise's cake
list than it is to get someone sealed medical records.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, they must pride themselves in their confidentiality. They're like,
Tom is not going to continue this agreement unless.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Totally And you know what, that Cruise cake list probably
keeps them afloat the whole year.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right now, like they could shut they open eleven years old.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
That well.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Also, one person who dropped off the list is Brooks Shields,
and she's spoken about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
She said she was on the list for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
She had a good ten year run, got the coconut
cake every year and she was very happy about it.
And now she's off the list. She's like, I want
to get back on that cake list. It's the best
cake I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Again, brook just go buy your own camp by Independent Woman.
And he's done way worse to her, Like I can't
believe she was on it for ten years. And I
wonder if she said something in the press about what happened,
because remember he was Tom Cruise spoke really negatively about
her and the press when she talked about having postpartum depression,
and so she was going on medication and Tom Cruise,
again not affiliated with her, not a doctor. Famously, Tom
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Cruise then went on this big press tour about how
dangerous it was for her to take medication and how
awful it was, and then she got really upset, rightfully so,
and then they did like kind of reconcile years later,
and I guess that's when she got on the cake list.
And now ten years later she just dropped off with
no explanation, and she's the only one brave enough to
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's well that she wants to get back on it
this much like I'll just be like, you know what,
I'll just get my own cake this year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think, Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the way
they all talk about it with such reverend tones, it
just makes me feel like the cake is short for something,
like it's some sort of like in for like some
sort of secret society that they have. I wonder also
maybe it's because Brooke talked about the logistics around it.
So she said when she started getting the cake, it
said Mary Christmas from Tom, Katie and Surrey. And then
(06:39):
she said once they broke up, the card that year
just read from Tom. It's not really groundbreaking, but she's
the first one to everyone else really toes the line
with him. It doesn't say anything. So maybe that's why
she dropped off the list.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's like fight club. We don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, we don't talk about the cake.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
If you get the cake, you don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I guess keep an eye on socials this year for
every celebrity who posts about the cake and makes a
big deal of it, because it is sort of seen
as this like badge of honor that they're all weirdly
obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Totally totally, it's like you're on the list, it's important.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, I would never send anyone cake like that. Seems
like a lot of logistics.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I don't think Tom.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think Tom. You don't think he's boxing your hand
written notes.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You Sometimes people who have really big cusinssful careers want
like a little creative.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Out some beating Tom's creative outlet.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So there's a new.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Rom com on the cards, and we get very excited
about new rom coms here at the Spell.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
This one is.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Called You, Me and Tuscany. So I'm not going to
go into who's in it yet. I'm just going to
give you a little bit of a rundown on what
the plot is. It's coming to cinemas next year in April,
and basically such a relatable tale. It's about a girl
called Anna. I think she's like late twenties, ely thirties,
that kind of vibe. She's given up on her dreams
of becoming a chef, her long held dreams. And then,
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as you do, she meets a rich Italian man called
Matteo who happens to have an empty villa in Tuscany,
because you know, that's just sort of every Tuesday night.
So then when she finds it about this villa, she
decides she's going to jet off to Tuscany and just
sort of take up residence in this house her best friends.
I'm getting all this from the trailer. By the way,
I haven't seen no idea. I haven't actually seen the movie.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It's months away.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
She goes to Tustany, decides to live in his house,
and then his mom walks in and is like, what
on earth are you doing here? And so she comes
up with this whole lie that she's his fiancee to
basically avoid going to Tuscan jail. And then Mateo's cousin
rocks up because the whole family now think they're engaged.
Mateo has no idea this is going on. His cousin,
who is very, very hot, rocks up and obviously there's sparks,
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and that's sort of the premise of like, now she's
saying she's Mateo's fiance she's into the cousin. That sort
of the premise of the movie, set in beautiful Tuscany.
Does this sound like something you would want to go watch?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
When I first heard the premise of this and one
to the trailer, I thought it was going to be
like a Netflix Friday Night. I was about to say, sure,
this is a straight to TV fl No, this is
going straight to cinemia in April, which I mean we
keep saying bring back rom coms. I don't know if
this is going to be the one to like Resurrection
the genre. But you, I mean, I'll go see it.
I'm not turning down people falling in love in Tuscany.
(09:13):
I'll go see it too.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'll be their gold class bottle of champagne between me
and my bestie.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, we're gonna tells me that we're not the audience.
They're trying to sway like we're already, we're on board,
so that all sounds fun, rom comms are back, etcetera, etcetera.
What's really interesting at this is the two actors who
are the lead characters, which is Hallie Bailey better known
as the star of the live action Little Mermaid, and
reggae Jean Page, better known. You both sat up so
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straight that I'm like, do you have to say it together? Ye,
Duke of Hastings Man Alive from the first season of Bridgeton.
Two very hot people who I am and personally very
excited to watch them fall in love. But super interesting
when I was watching the trailer because when I was
looking at them, I remembered a point in time where
they had both secured these huge roles these movies where
her movie came out, his TV show came out. They
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became these cultural moments and it felt like they were
going to be the next two big things in Hollywood,
that they are going to be the two big movie stars,
and then, for different reasons we're about to get into,
they both kind of disappeared from the spotlight. And I
guess the one that people are most kind of caught
up is is what happened to the Duke after Bridgingston,
Because that's a bit of a it's a point, it's
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a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale. It did deeply
affect me when he left the show.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I have to say I actually was so bitter about
it that I didn't enjoy season two. Really, Yeah, John
Bailey didn't, No, he didn't. I feel like every time
I come on the spill, I'm now down talking Jonathan Bailey,
who I love. So this isn't right, But yeah, I
was so deeply disappointed.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
That he left and I just couldn't enjoy it because I.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Felt like like my crush from the show had gone.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And in all those Bridgitton threads, there are always those
memes being like, where are all these.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Projects that Reggae Jean went? Well, now you've got one totally.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But you know what, I'm going to say, look who's
come crawling back to the female gays guys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, exactly thought he was too.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't mean to be a reggae apologist, but I
do feel that maybe he just got some bad advice.
Because Bridgington came out, he was the lead. People loved
Phoebe Danova, who was the female lead actress. The obsession
with him as an actor was so intense.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I do know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
People who cried because they're like, I'm married normally never
feel that love again. Or people who just like, well,
like I can't date anymore because like, no one's going
to be the duke. You talked about the fact when
he left the show, you are heartbroken. So was one
Kimberly Kardashian. She posted like I will never get over this.
I can't watch show anymore. She was so upset. We
as a collective society went through grief because there was
this whole thing that he wasn't coming back for a
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season two because they wouldn't pay him the right amount.
But then they said that he said he wasn't going
to come back anyway because he had all of these
like jobs lined up, and he did seem for a
while that that he was Hollywood's big leading man, like
he hosted Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, off the back of one show which is No
One Unbelievable, And he was.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Also in talks to be the new Bond. There was
all the stuff about how he was a front runner
to be a Bond.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do feel like any handsome man that wears a
suit well on a red carpet has Bond claims slung
it exactly great.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Though he'd be a great body.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, I like to in the look, maybe not
in the delivery.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The thing is, like, it's hard because he went away
to do all these big projects and there was so
much buzz around him. And then his first movie that
came out, the Dungeons and Dragons movie. Did you see it?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Free? Absolutely well, I saw it. It was bad, but everyone,
this is the problem. You saw it, so we didn't
have to Exactly. The thing is, I think he just
got some bad advice. And people say Hollywood is a gamble,
like sometimes when you sign on to stuff, you just
don't know what's going to take off and what's not.
Because I think he thought with Dungeons and Dragons, because
that's already such a huge property, that that was going
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to launch him into leading a franchise. But that movie
came out, people didn't love it, and it kind of
just forgotten very quickly. And then he did like a
Netflix series and that was forgotten very quickly, and then
there was just a long empty part of his IMDb
where like, I'm sure he was just in sorrow that
he'd walked away from Bridgington because the whole thing was
his thinking, which I kind of understand. He was like,
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my career is so hot right now, people love me
after the first season of Bridgington. Why would I waste
six months of my life on the film shoot just
to be kind of in the background.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Total bench character from season two onwards, which is I
guess fair.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But then everyone's like, but Jonathan Bailey did it. He
did his doing Jurassic Come on, I know. Well, that's
the thing people kind of think is that Jonathan Bailey
has the career that Reggae would have had if he'd
stuck around. I agree with.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Not in that like Jonathan Stolen rolls out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't think he was going to be can that
man sing? Do we know? Does what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I do think that with any kind of show
like Bridgitton, you do get one, you know, you get
the ones that are like the front runners, that get
those roles and become.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The leading man. You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They can't all be a leading man, right Jonathan Bailey
is that guy?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And really maybe, like it's not like Reggae hasn't had
the chances. He's out there, he's auditioning, he's either not
getting them or the ones he's getting aren't translating. So well,
So do we love Reggae or do we just love
the Duke?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, that's my thing. I think it does come to
the fact people just love that character and that storyline,
and he's very smoldering in it. But please don't come
for me also change my dress off to this? Is
he that good in that part? I don't think he's
a great actor, But so lots of hot people in
Hollywood not great actors, and I don't hold against them. No,
I tend to agree with the place for just hotness
in the world. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, and this is a situation where I do think
the hotness did a big lifts.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
The hotness was working.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I mean that role, like the Duke is almost a
modeling role in some ways. Yes, very prosy, we're smoldering,
we're doing the sexy shoots. I don't think it's like
one that you've got to really go method put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
To bring that character to life.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
So whether that means you can translate to actually playing
other roles, I don't know. And I mean some could
say this rom com maybe doesn't require huge acting chops either.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All his hotness is like or come out of retirement
to do their heavy lifting again.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
He came out of retirement in the trailer where his
abs are out and he's standing in the vineyards and
there's like water trickling down on him, and he was like, yeah,
I still got it, you know. Yeah, Well, his hotness
is well and truly coming out of retirement because he's
got another rather sexy project in the works at the moment,
doesn't he.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes, he's firmly back in the Netflix family, which I
guess is fair enough because that's where he found fame.
So Reggae is actually going to starr in and executive
produce new series called Hancock Park. So that series will
be about a Los Angeles high society family who is
struggling to hold onto their status, and all we know
right now about that is that it might be another
huge show for him on Netflix. I mean, look, give
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that hotness an Academy Award because it is doing the
most work there. I do feel like people really like
mock and laugh at him, which I feel bad for
the hot man that feel that bad people kind of
acting like his career tanks, but also that first burst
of fame, like You've got to really make the right
choice there, and I think a lot of people don't.
And I'm wonder if all the people around him will, like,
don't go back to Bridgeton. It takes you out of
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the game for six months to barely be in it.
Go and star in this big franchise, which for anyone
else would be a safe bet because I mean, the
Jurassic Park movie was pretty terrible that Jonathan Bailey was in,
and he's not good in it, but he had kind
of enough goodwill to push past that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, And it's interesting that he's gonna star with Hallie
Bailey in this from Colon because she's had a similar
sort of trajectory in terms of having that big breakout
role with the Little Mermaid.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And she didn't do a lot before that. I knew
of I know, she.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Had a YouTube duo, like she was doing music with
her sister Chloe and they had a duo and that
was big on YouTube, But I hadn't seen her in
anything mainstream before that. So it's sort of interesting that
she was much like him, seemed to be destined for
success in the Hollywood world, and then it doesn't quite
seem to have turned out that way?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Does it up up until now? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Her story, I feel like, is it more of a
kind of a serious one of kind of like what
can happen to young women at Spotlight? As a side note,
I feel like it's really surprising that you didn't know
who Halle Bailey was before this, because you do see
like the target markets.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Gaps in my knowledge, I do understand why you would
say that though.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She's like squarely in that kind of like teen music part.
Did you guys see the live action Little Mermaid?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, I thought she was incredible. But there was such
backlash for many reasons. Obviously, the terrible one was that
a lot of people were like, we don't want a
woman of color playing this role. That's not historically accurate.
To the fictional mermaid character that she is, and also
people saying that she just like had been given it
as like kind of a like a woke kind of thing,
and that she wasn't a good actress, even though the
directors said that they saw so many people for the
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role over and over again, they kept coming back to her,
and I thought she was really great.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
She was actually incredible, and her voice is so beautiful.
I don't know how anyone who saw that and heard
her sing part of your World didn't walk away and go,
you know what, she deserved this role because she was
beautiful in it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm convinced a lot of the backlash was from people
who didn't even see the movie, because even when they
announced that casting, everyone was like, but you know, in
the Quintus and Jewel animation, like the animated half fish
woman was whitey.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Anyway, there's a lot of plotholes there. I also wonder
if she because she's got a really beautiful singing voice
and she's so good on screen, but I feel like
she doesn't have that kind of big movie star personality
that do we demand from actors on press tours Now,
to go on a press tour and like tell these
crazy stories or like be really over the top or
have these little gimmicks. And I remember when I interviewed
her and a lot of other people Jones interviewed her,
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she was just like very quiet, very reserved, quite overwhelmed,
as you would be. When I interviewed her as her
and Melissa McCarthy together. She was polite, but she was
looking down. She kept looking over to Melissa before she answered.
She'd kind of do like a little nervous laugh. And
I just wonder if, like, because TikTok and social sells
movies now in such a way, because she was shy
on the press tour, she was kind of punished for
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it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I had a similar experience interviewing her as well, and
I felt actually she was just so nervous to say
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Because she had been so attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and I think going intowenty things where you are
on the world stage like that and you've already been
teared down, it's so overwhelming for a young woman particularly,
And I think we've seen the same with Rachel Ziegler
with Snow White. I kind of actually feel like, and
I love a live action Disney movie, so I don't
want them to stop, because I do personally enjoy them, really,
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but I don't know if they're the best for the
careers of the actresses that score those princess roles.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I do wonder if that's kind of the vibe now,
because at first it felt like the golden ticket, like
you get in a Disney live action that's going to
launch your career. It's a sure fire bet. And now
because people have such like you're saying, it has such
a hold over these fictional characters, there's no way to
please everyone with the way you interpret it, especially because
they want to stick to these really old school fairy
tales and people don't love the new ways that they're
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being done.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, and she really went through it as well because
she got pregnant and not that long after, and she
got a lot of backlash during that phase as well.
In the people were really mad that she kept the
pregnancy to herself, and we're sort of coming her being like,
you were gas lighting us and lying to us because
she didn't announce the pregnancy. She waited till the birth
of her child, which I believe was in January last year,
(20:16):
and that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Was quite strange.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
The reaction that she got from that seemed like it
seems like a very big reaction to something that isn't
that huge of a deal.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, there were all these things around and one pa,
You're right, people being really angry because it kind of
leaked that she was pregnant a few months before she
gave birth, which again, that's kind of horrific having that
out there. So her Instagram pages and no social pages were
feeling on people saying, we know you're pregnant, stop hiding it,
stopping ashamed, just tell us. There were all these blind
items written about it, and then when she did say
she had a baby, there was this kind of like
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backlash from fans saying, you've let us down. You were
meant to be this big star. She wasn't a teen,
but like you're promoting like, you know, young pregnancy and
women giving up their lives to become a mother, like
all these kind of things. Basically, people felt betrayed that
she didn't tell them, and they felt betrayed that she
had had a baby at all. And I feel like
she just stepped completely back from the spotlight and was like,
I want nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, it does feel like she's gone through a lot
for having sort of had this one main, big movie
where she was in the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
She's copped alone.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
She's spoken out about it and basically said, like, I've
learned from that spotlight over the past few years. If
I'm being honest, I've been.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Burned by it too, as we all have.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And then she sort of said, you know, I didn't
want to talk about my perfect little baby because that
was like my happy place and I didn't want to
sort of put that up and expose that to the
world to also be torn down in a way. So
she has really been through it, and I hope that
this movie could maybe be a step towards like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
A nice I feel like she just needed a bit
of time to I mean, again, once we get this person,
we don't know, but it's like, of course, you're not
going to tell people you're pregnant when they're the same
people who were tearing you down. And then she had
to get a restraining order art against the father of
her baby because he physically assaulted her multiple times, and
there's all these other allegations that are in the court papers,
but that was a huge thing. So again I feel
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like there's a whole fan of people who've now seen
this movie. I know we were laughing at it, but
we're all like, we're all going to see it obviously,
probably multiple times. I think it's nice that she's not
come out on the other side of it, because we
don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But I think
it's nice that she's sort of was able to step
away from the Spotlight deal with her personal staff, hopefully
step away from all these haters, and then come back
and be able to go make a big screen movie
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and work on other projects and maybe release music.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, so maybe this will be the I don't know
if I should say come.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Back, because I guess hasn't been that stepping stone. And
I do really want the best for her because I
think she's talented, she's gorgeous, and I would love to
see her in more.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, and she got to kiss Reggae. I mean that's great.
The drag she's had a lovely time and he's just
there with his hotness. The two of them on the
press two I think might be fun. Maybe they'll be
less kind of they've already been through these two traumatic
like different markers of their career. Maybe this time. They
just have a lovely time with their rom com.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, they might bring out the fun side of each other.
We never know, but we'll be front row anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
We will. And doesn't love love, Yeah, especially in Tuscany. Yeah,
absolutely so. Elizabeth Olson is on the press trail for
her new movie Eternity at the moment. More of that
to come on the Spill later this week. In a
new interview with The Times, she was asked about her
family and her childhood and how she grew up, and
she talked about being the youngest of four. So if
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anyone's not across, Elizabeth Olsen is the youngest of the
Olsen children. So we have James, and I only know
his name because of the defunct's clothing line, Elizabeth and James.
But I'm sure he's having a lovely time at the spotlight,
letting his famous sisters shine. But most notably her older
sisters are the Olsen twins, Mary, Kate and Ashley. So
she doesn't talk about them too much, but they do
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come up in interviews, and I think she's sometimes got
some very set answers prepared. So she was talking about
growing up as the youngest of the kids and how
it was very calm, and how she didn't want to
get into acting immediately and stayed out of the spotlight
as a kid, especially because she was watching her sisters
be on Full House and they'd make twenty movies and
have a clothing line and kind of be these big
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moguls at the age of five. And this is the
line that's been pulled out that a lot of outlets
are running with. I guess to make it sound like
there's like a bit of drama behind the scenes, is
she said that her twin sisters were forced to support
her in career early on. If you look at the headlines,
it looks like they were forced to put her in movies,
forced to like support her, you know, give her money,
(24:14):
all that sort of stuff. But if you read the
full interview, it's like they were forced to come to
my school plays and talks about them being very supportive.
But I guess Olsen twins is like a lightning rod
for gossip, right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Of course, and every time she does an interview, she's
going to be asked about her famous sisters. It's the
connection that everyone anchors her to and it's like a
child of famous actors, you know, as soon as they
are in front of an interviewer, they going to ask
about what it was like growing up with famous mom
and dad. Well, in this case, it's the Olsen twins
who were on our screens since, like, my whole childhood
(24:48):
was watching the Elson twins, So I want to know
about them. I can't blame others, you know, I've interviewed
Elizabeth Olson myself, and of course, of course I asked
for gossip.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
About the twins?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Did she give you?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
And you want to know?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I mean, you know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
They're her sisters, but you're not going to get like major, major,
major gossip from her. She knows what she is doing.
But I do think this is interesting and I think
for the times to pull this out and to say, oh,
she was you know, they were forced to support her,
I mean, well by going to her plays.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But yeah, isn't that just what siblings do? Yeah, I
think it's very much. We're just even more desperate to
know about this famous family than other famous families, because
I think there's other families where there's like whole deficitism
thing of like the mum and the kids or the
brothers and sisters, but they're all doing interviews. They're all
on red carpets, they're all sharing things on Instagram, so
it doesn't feel as scandalous. But the Awesome Twins have
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disappeared so incredibly well from view. They don't do interviews,
even like for their fashion label, The Row, it's like,
no cameras at the fashion shows, no images come out.
They've rarely seen around New York, They've rarely seen at events.
They don't post on social so I think the first
information about them is so intense.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
There's that intriguing Yeah, right, Well it's interesting because I
think now they're definitely fashion designers before they are actors,
whereas they grew up being actors.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But people change what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And I guess now with Elizabeth being out doing the press,
to her, she's like this pipeline of like secret information
to them because everyone's been wondering what the ins and
outs their lives are like for so long. Even though
she always says like growing up, she tried very hard
to sort of keep it separate, and she was always like,
if I make it as an actress, I don't want
to be Elizabeth Olson. I want to be Elizabeth Chase,
like her middle name to sort of keep that separation
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and not be a nepo's sister.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I hate when I just say that. Again. The thing is,
you can't actually hide who you are, so I know that.
Part of the interview, she says that she was always
going to audition as Elizabeth Chase. Here's the thing is,
like everyone knows that she's Elizabeth Olson. It's like when
Kate Winsley was talking about her daughter Mia getting her
first big acting role and she's booking all these TV
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shows and movies. And when Kate was asked about it,
she was very proud, of course being a mum, but
she said, oh, it's a great thing about it is
that she's a different last name to me, so no
one knew who she was. And I was like, Kate, one,
I know what your daughter's name is, and that's only
a real weird parasocial like I know that your daughter's
name is Mia Threpleton. And if I know that, you're
telling me that because her father's a famous director. Again,
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so you've got nippowing on two sides.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
You also like, maybe that would help her with getting
auditions anyway, you could introduce her at a party.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It's not all about the name.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, exactly. I'm sure people know what she looks like,
so understand why they do it. Because everyone wants to
be like they earned on their own, they did on
their own, or like Matthew McConaughey recently saying that his
son LEVI got a role in his movie because he
auditioned under a fake name. And again, I'm like, so,
I'm not a stalker about you take your son on
red carpets all the time if I know what your
son looks like. The Producers is a movie you've been
working out for years and directors know exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, it's interesting because also Elizabeth Olson looks like her sisters.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
The spitting image of her twin sisters.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
I don't think there's any hiding in it. She can
choose whatever last name she wants. She's an Olson through
and through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It is interesting what you say about the sibling thing,
because I feel the same about the Culkins, right, so
obviously when you know, because McCaulay went into hiding a
bit of well like the Olsen twins did. But then,
of course, Kieran's had this illustrious career ever since. He's
a loose cannon, unlike Elizabeth so you know, you can
ask him anything and he'll blab.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
But it is interesting with the sibling thing.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I think it sometimes works just as much as
being the NEPO baby of famous parents. And I don't
think it like it's gonna make or break your career.
I think you still have to get on the set
and do a good performance and carry a franchise or
carry a movie. But it all gets you in the
room and that's the hardest part. And the thing with
Elizabeth Olson is I would never have sort of even
like this would have entered my head if she hadn't
(28:41):
sort of brought it up and said like I was
going to hide my identity, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, there's a bit of an art to being a
NEPO baby or a nepo sibling, I think, And it's
not going to be extreme of wanting that separation because
some people carry it very well. I mean, like with
el Fanning and Dakota Fanning. At the time when she
was becoming famous, I probably thought of el Fanning as
Dakota's younger sister, but now I just think of el
Fanning as el Fanny.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, And I just think there's.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
A bit of an art to how you navigate it,
because if you don't go ham on the fact that
you wanted that separation, people are less likely to critique
you for it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How do you feel about Elizabeth now? Because I do
see her as Elizabeth Olsoon the actress. I know that
she is the Olsen Twins sister, but she's had quite
a decent career.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, to me, I feel like there's enough separation there,
especially because they're so in this fashion world now that
it's not like, oh, their movie's coming out and her
movie's coming out. It's there's quite a bit of distinction exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I see her as a standalone actress now
because again, I think the MEPO thing gets you a
few roles, but it doesn't kind of elevate you to
where she is now without having that level of talent.
It's kind of interesting because she drops little things about
her sisters, but I think she's a lot more reserved now.
Like I think people are pulling this out just because
they're hungry for any kind of information. But do you
(29:51):
guys remember when she's on a talk show or a podcast,
they asked her, like, which of her sisters she's closest
to and I remember listening and I was like, oh,
she's not going to answer that, and she goes, well,
let's just say it was just my birthday and Ashley
text me and Mary Kate didn't, and that's I've got
two sisters would say that. But like I'm remember that
really blowing up into a thing of like Ashley is
the favorite sister and like Mary Kate and Elizabeth don't
(30:12):
get along. I'm sure afterwards she was like, oh my god,
like I just yeah, my sister got to text me
my birthday. It's fine. I'm sure she'll get to it.
Or when she was signing paparazzi photos in front of
her hotel and a paparazzi stopped her and said you're
so much nicer than your sister's and then she walks
away that she turns back around, she was, yeah, because
you tortured them their whole lives and then walked away
and say stuff like that. But I think every soft
(30:34):
and she gets like, you know what she.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Did say on a show once that always stuck with me,
which was advice she got from her sisters, which was
that no is a full sentence, and that has always
stuck with me.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I didn't really take it on board myself.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
For recent years. I wish I had, But I love.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
That they.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
That they lived by that and that's how they've done
their career, and that she's taken it on board too,
because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I'd also love to just be a fly on the
wall in their family group chats after these various revelations
come out, when, for example, she said that she's closer
to Ashley than Mary Kate, Like, I'd love to know.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Is it like a bit of all goodess? Or are
they all just in the family group chat? Like why
do you have to answer that, Elizabeth?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I get the vibe, but they don't have a family
group chat or do but the Olsen twins aren't in
it or Mary Kate's not. She's definitely the odd ball.
The only superpower I have, Like, the only good thing
I have is I can always tell celebrity twins apart.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You also know every celebrities child.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Two useless facts. But I just think I'm just gonna
go on a limit say that Mary Kate's in the
group chat or that they don't have one, because there's
something about them that's so weirdly old school cool and like,
I don't know, I reckon they're dialing on the old
home phone, and I kind.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Of feel like Mary Kate just wouldn't care Y.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I get that too, because they've stepped so far away
from the spotlight, like the allegations against the Olsen twins
when they were running their business and with allegations from
the interns that were treated really badly, they didn't make
a bunch of public statements. But I think that's the
kind of first time they really jumped into action because
their reputation as business owners was and the reputation of
the business they had built. But apart from that, I
(32:11):
think they don't care what is out in the world
and what people say about them because they're not public
facing anymore and they don't rely on press to sell
their products.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, if anything, I guess for Elizabeth it matters probably
more how these things come out and the way that
she is now, especially fronting this movie, as opposed to
how it is for them in their current era.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, because the row is famously so outrageously expensive as well,
that they don't even really need to appeal to them.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yes, because they don't want to. They don't want us
to wear the Royal come in their shops. They would
like Mary Kate Ashley. If they saw me, they'd be like,
we rather you didn't come. We're not.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
We're not worthy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, we'll link the full interview now show notes if
you'd like to read it. And yeah, to be a
fly on the wall of the awesome house.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Did you know that we have a YouTube channel so
you don't just have to listen to us, so you
can watch us as well and see all our content
on there.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
We've got a link in the show notes for you
to go check it out.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
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Speaker 6 (33:22):
Bye Bye Bye, Mamma.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
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We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait
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