He won a bronze medal in Tokyo in 2020, and a gold two years before at the Commonwealth Games in the Gold Coast. He's a fiercely competitive boxer, but there's a lot more to Harry Garside than what you see in the ring. He's known for challenging stereotypes around masculinity and was a finalist on I’m A Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here. He challenges stereotypes in our chat today in more ways than one.
We had him on a year ago but a lot has changed since then. We find out what he's been up to, what's next, and how he approaches boxing's “trashy” culture and fake tough-guy act. We chat insanely long triathlons, identity, and what happens when your whole life has been built on winning. There’s camping detours, existential spirals, and deep explorations into masculinity (particularly among young men in Australia), purpose and why life might not actually be that serious, as one of Australia’s most fascinating athletes tries to figure out what comes next as he approaches 30.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Oh, dear listeners, we are coming in absolutely red hot
for this special interview edition. Oh but two good sports
sports US times differently. We have Friend of the Pod
and Jeremy. I say this with love because you and
I have honestly never been cool in our lives. But
Friend of the Pod Harry Garside, he just inhales coolness
(00:25):
and then exhales more coolness, so we'll hopefully get a
lessoning cool. But please, can we welcome Harry Guyside to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Again?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I know, so tell us you've come in hot, going guys,
I'm stressed. I'm in my car, but we're on the chat.
Tell us where do we find you if not in
your car? And what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I know I plan.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I plan my days out so well the day before
and I was like, this is going to work out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm going to Land. I had a flight this morning.
We're in a Land. I'm gonna be able to get
the high car. We have enough time.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
We when we go to a cafe and we're going
to have heaps of time. Turns out flight delayed and
then now we're in the car. So we did get
most of the way through, but we didn't get to
the cafe.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So I'm in the car.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Where are you? Are you near home or are you
where are you traveling to?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm currently in Melbourne. I just landed in Melbourne, so
I'm going camping with my family, which is amazing. I know,
I wish I could do it in person, but I know,
I know, but next time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
The Garside campfire look.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Like valid question from Georgie because you so when you
say with your family, So that's what two brothers as well.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Everyone's going.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, my little nephew, which I'm so excited for. I
have not he'sed three years old. I have not camped
with him before, so I'm very excited to. I feel
like when I was younger, that's like a massive part
of my childhood was camping and spending our time outdoors.
My mum went to a Rudolph Steiner school, so she's
like a bit of a hippie. Yeah yeah, so it
was like one of those weird, unique schools, and I
(01:47):
think very much she sort of inflicted that, which is
a great thing. Inflict is a bad word, but inflicted
that us when we were children.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So you still want to go camping even after I'm
a celebrity.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I feel like I would never do it again.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I secretly I'm like a bit of a sadistic person,
so I secretly loved.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm asl is like torture.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
What are the campfire chats?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Though?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
In all seriousness in the Garside family, because Harry, we
know you love a D and M. Is it is
it full dn M? Or is it like fun? Is
it like card games? Is it just a single long?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
To be honest, my fairly hate me.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
So I do try, I do try my hardest to
get them to go deep, but they just never do.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So you start off with don't you think it's funny?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
And they're like, we're going to get more more fire.
Would just leave it, just leave it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But what it actually is you want.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
To go again with Harry with his gratitude bullshit, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, we're grateful that you're here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Tell us a little bit about what's been going on
since we last had you on the pod.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Take us on a journey.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's been it's been so I feel like naturally
like I'm back end of my twenties now, which is
really cool, twenty nine this year, and yeah, really sort
of just trying to figure out what the next chapter
of my life looks like. And I think I'm like,
I'm still very much boxing. I haven't competed in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Over a year, which is crazy, but I yeah, still
very much trained.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I have set a goal this year to do like
one competition each month, so I've upheld that so far,
which has been a lot of fun. Just trying a
few different things. I've done a bit of running, done
a triathon, just trying my best to diversify.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The joy of sports.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think sport's like one of the greatest things of
my childhood, and I think just trying to relive that
as an adult as much as you can, to try
and reconnect to that younger version of yourself, it's always amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Harry.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I promise we are going to get to the sport
of it all. And I have one thousand and one
questions for you, obviously about the boxing, but before that,
you're saying that you're twenty nine is such a flex
for people who are on the wrong side of thirty.
So I just need to acknowledge that that Jelemy and
I are like thirty five year old teenagers.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
But I love that you rounded down for me.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Georgie your Christmas card is in the mail, but I
already know I got you.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I got you.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you feeling nervous about turning thirty?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
No, not really.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I haven't thought about it like this in all seriousness,
Like I think it's like there's I don't get wrong.
I had this beautiful chat with my best mate Ned Brockman.
I was just like, we can't go back like that
childlike in the sense of like when you were like
eleven twelve, you're lose in sport, but you have this
like childlike innocence. You know, you view the world with
such rose colored eyes eyeglasses, and I think you can't
(04:25):
go back. And I think I've just been trying to
work on that for the last like too much, trying
to accept that fact, like and enjoy the moment as
much as I can right now, because we can't go
back in time.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We can't take back what we've done. We can't like
it's just happen.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Would you want to go back? Sorry to interrupted, would
you want to go back?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I think like that feeling of joy of winning your
first big event when you're like thirteen fourteen and it
meant like it was bigger than the Olympic Games like that,
that feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
If you could bottle it up it jeez, it would
be amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And I would say that I did because sport where
we do lose brain cells would I would say that
I have a pretty forgetful memory, so it would be
nice to go back.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
George, can you imagine not being existential? George and I?
George and I get nervous about the end of a month,
let alone the end of a decade of our life.
We're like, well, what is the meaning of it all?
If it's almost I think I.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Said, I think people like, you're going to nail today,
You're beautiful, You're strong. I just look into the mirror
and I go, who am I? Who are we today?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Will take a bit of you're talking about having competed
less than what you've probably ever had in your life.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Really taking the step out of that sort.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Of competitive what have you noticed about yourself without one
of those on the always on the horizon to work towards.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's such a hard thing.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think naturally as athletes were always like attaching our
self worth based.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
On what we can do and what we can achieve. Yeah,
and I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Would say that it kind of just like moves to
something else, if that makes sense, like what you can
achieve and you know, I think I'm just trying to
be conscious of trying to separate it as much as
I can, which.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Is really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, like if your whole life has been reinforced
that you get validation through a certain thing, or you
get validation if you do well, you get seen if
you do well, So just trying to like I don't know,
trying to separate that is really hard. I'm still trying
to work it out, like I don't have the answers,
but I think I don't know, like those moments where
(06:26):
like my brother calls me and needs help, or your
friend yeah, or your friend asked for a chop out
and you're there, like or you see someone struggling to
carry shopping and you ask to help. Like these are
like little moments where I can reinforce and no one
sees that. You know. I know I am saying it
right now on a podcast, so but you know what
I mean, Like they are the moments I don't know.
(06:48):
I'm trying to like reinforce me that that's actually way
more honorable, way more respectful.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Than like winning a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
While that is remarkable, you know, I burnt a lot
of people or to get to where I wanted to,
and I just don't know if that was like enhancing
the person that I am striving to become.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
If that makes sense, it definitely does.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Would you say that your competitiveness has changed?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I think it's so hard because I like do yoga
and pilarates like once or twice a week, and I
there's always like one person in the class that comes
to every class and they're really good, and I'm just like,
I'm just saying I want to It's in me. I
can't not have that. Like I'm aware that I'm saying
if they can do it, I can do it, and
I'm like, I'm going to try and learn to navigate that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Harry, we are the same person.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm a pilarates girlie and it's meant to be my
one time where I switch off or whatever I have.
If we're doing a plank, I can't release until everyone
else is down because I need to win that competition.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Like what is it? You just have to go?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Like you look around and you're like, well, that bitch
looks like she's good at this. I'll side clank forever
until she lies down.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Like I'm not even competing with yourself. If they can
do it, I can do it. Like I need to
be able to meet my potential.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What's wrong with us? But also I love that you're
like I'm really going through a journey where I'm searching,
Like I don't need validation from achieving things.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
How a triathlon's going, Harry.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, theath You can pretend all you want, but you're
a change man. But as soon as someone subs out
of one elite form and goes to marathons or triathlons,
I'm like, you you just are who you are, babe.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You're going to lean into it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's crazy, isn't it? And and it's a wild thing.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I think it's like it's hard to know of its
human nature or if it's capitalism, right, like in the
sense of like we're always striving to be better and
more and capitalism is just like continuous growths. Like if
a company does ten million dollars profit one year and
then the next year they make nine million dollars profit,
they think that they failed.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is insane. They made nine million dollars profit. But
that's just the world. We live in.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You know, like if you're not always progressing, growing, getting
your PB better, you feel like going backwards.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But that is not the reality of I think being
a human.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I think I'm trying to navigate that I haven't mastered
it because I'm just shifting to the next thing and
trying to be better at that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But it is also just the world we live it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I feel like you and the chance that you would
have with your best friend Ned Brockman, like do you
go running together, because I feel like your capacity for
cardio is a lot better than mine, where I'm just
walking to and you can actually like sustain a conversation.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well he actually paid me. We did a ten k
on the weekend that was my competition this month. He
paid me for the first I was supposed to the
whole event, but I lasted five k's with him because
he's just way too quick for me, and then I
blew up.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's actually such a flex to have Ned Brockman pace
you in a right now like what people shaking his
head like you rock up to do like a competition.
You're like, Hi, you're the most famous runner in the country. Yeah,
he's pacing me.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
What of it?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
What.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, I couldn't even hold on.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I can hold on.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sorry, I just had an ultimate flashback of like if
I had ever tried to pace jel me in a race,
like what on earth? I'd have to be being dragged
by like the fucking peloton to get to be even
anywhere near to get.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You've never seen me run, and no one's ever seen
me run, And there's good reason for that, George, because
I'm alone. You need to leave me on my own
on a treadmill to look highly unattractive and very competitive.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
But that is a completely different chat.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We are on the eve of when the Commonwealth Games
could have would have should have been in Melbourne, and
we all look at what the team could be like
like and we all go, oh, so glad the Victorian
government spending hundreds of million dollars to not have a
feature event when our track and field team in particular
has never looked stronger. We spoke to you at the
(10:59):
time about how disappointing that was and what it would
have meant for you in this time and career of
your life to be able to have that show piece
at home. Now that time's passed and everyone's moved on
from it. How do you feel heading into comm Games.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's such a weird thing because I I think I
don't know if I've fully moved through on the other side,
like I'm definitely not retired, so it's like, you know,
I'm not I'm not going to this Common Games. Actually
there's that reality of like, you know, excited for the
athletes to get the opportunity. Like I know the guy
in my way, he's a young kid name of Jacob Cassa.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He's got a.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Great future from Victoria Sam. It's same as me, and
I think he's it's going to be it's so exciting
to almost like pass the baton, not past the baton,
but like you know that sense is like metaphorically like
you're passing the baton onto the next generation and I
really hope that he does amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
How close an.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Eye do you keep on you know, the Australian team,
the national team.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It's like when you're in it, it's a lot because
they're like you're not competitors. Well you're trying to like
encourage them as much as you can. You are aware
that they take your spot sometimes. So yeah, there's like
that weird balancing act of like really wanting them to
do well. And the better they become is the better
that you become. That's how competition works. If they grow
and evolve, you have to go and evolve if you
(12:18):
want to continue to win it. And so you pay
a fair bit of attention. I've stept a bit back,
so I pay a little bit less, but you more
so just support them from afar and anytime they ask questions,
we try your best to lend some lessons.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
If you get sounds like network television, that's what that
sounds like. Do well, don't go too well, because really
enjoy my job.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
You. George and I were talking off Mike about the
fact that there's so much going on in the world
around negative I guess conversations around masculinity and the manosphere
and you in our minds as such an anecdote to that,
and how even the conversation you're having before been like,
if I can see someone with the shopping, why wouldn't
I help them?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Why wouldn't I be a good mate?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And I know that's something that you take really seriously,
particularly in the context of being a boxer and the
connotations that come with that. And being what people don't expect.
How have you found again? Since we last spoke, it
feels like there's been a real increase in this negative
rhetoric online about being a bloke. How do you take
that on board and how do you counter that?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, I think it's it's such a complex thing, you know.
I think I always try my best to put myself
in like a young person's shoes who's ten eleven t
while been trying to navigate the complexities of going through
social media or you know, it's it's really difficult. And
I'm twenty eight, twenty nine, and I would say that
I'm a fairly curious person, but I'm finding it hard myself.
(13:46):
But I think I've always just thought that, Like, it
seems like divide and conquer. Okay, this is something that
I haven't really unpacked, but I'm just going to unpack
it right here.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So divide and conquer.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It seems like the people in power wanted us to
just be arguing with each other. There's this quote that
I read in a book. While the peasants fight over
scraps of food, it defides it destructs them from the royals,
who feace.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
On food that could feed the whole city.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And I just think that, like, as a society, we
argue with like our neighbor or our partner, or someone
who's in a different gender or a different race, different religion,
and it's like they're not the enemy, they're not the problem.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
They're not the ones who hold the power.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And I think that a lot of the discussion around
masculinity or it's like it's gender against gender, where I
think that the real beauty and real synchronicity is when
we work together, and that's how real unionship happens, and
real camaraderie happens is when you know, men ask more
questions about how women are feeling in their life, when
(14:51):
men try their best to sit in a woman's shoes
as best as they can, although they will never really
understand what it feels like. You know, it's like if
we can lead with that rather than generally against gender,
and you know, F you or I just I just
don't know that ever solves the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You obviously work so much in this space, Harry, so
you would work a lot with young boys, You work
a lot with young men, probably older men too. Is
it getting better? Like, is there a sense of comprehension
when you are with these people, like is their hope?
Because sometimes, not to be dramatic, I may have said before,
(15:31):
let's burn everything down, like burn it all down, starting
it all down and start again and start again. But
you were, you were there for one of a better
term on the front lines right like you were, you
were actually engaging. So what what has been some of
your observations perhaps.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, well this happened the other day, so I was
very fresh in my mind. I did a talk down
in Eden, which is on the border of Victoria and
your South Wales by the water. It was a pretty
lows economic area. And I did did my talk, and
then there's a Q and eight and I did two
different talks and both talks, some of the questions that
they were asking these kids are like young people, so
(16:06):
they're not kids thirteen to seventeen, and some of the
questions that they are asking are like, well above where
I was when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. And I
think it's like social media is amazing because I think
it does help young people build their emotional literacy, emotional awareness,
and emotional intelligence. But I would say that they are
still thirteen fourteen fifteen, and they're trying to navigate and
(16:29):
understand it. So I do think that there is comprehension
and there is understanding of these, but there is a
lot of like adults are finding this hard, you put
them in the shoes of a young person like I,
As I said, I'm twenty eight, twenty nine, I'm finding
it really difficult. I can't imagine what a thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year old is going through.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But I do think that they're I do have hope.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm so optimistic, So I do have hope, and I
do think some of the questions they were asking were
so different to what you would do expect. It was
about their relationship with their parents, how to deal with failure,
how to deal with the pressure of not meeting their
own expectations. Like these are philosophical, hard questions, and they're
asking you these at school talk, which is really really cool.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You would have loved it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, I was loving it.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I This wasn't last talk, but one a few months
ago a young person asked me, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They would have been roughly fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
They said, what do you think is more powerful science
or spirituality?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm like, oh my god, I do not know.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You're like, well, little Johnny, let me just take a
moment to sit my water as I ponder the meaning
of life and get back to you on do you
think man landed on the moon. Let's make it a
simpler conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I also love that you've become like the authority on that.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
That's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's kind of cool that he's gone.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Do you know who will know?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Garsad? He is gonna know that?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Don't you find that funny?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I always ste that, like when you're younger, you ask
your parents like really deep questions. They don't know the
answers to the questions, but they always give you an
answer on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That though, I do want to bring it back just
to the Australia of it all, Harry, because please excuse
my ignorance when it comes to boxing. Have we seen you?
I know you're not retired.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, you're not retired.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Don't use the R word, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No, he's not retired. I know, I know, thank you, understand.
I know that you're still boxing, thank you. But the
whole professional versus amateur of it all and how that
fits in with national teams, like are we seeing you
in the Green and Gold again, is that still something
that you may want to do or are you are
you looking to other things?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's yeah, it's really hard to know. I definitely don't
have an answer for you because I don't really know.
There's no greater honor of representing Australia. It is the
harsh reality of like being a human. But like, you
do need to fund things, and like, well, I don't
like to, Like I think you need to reframe this
(19:03):
because there's like a weird belief of like I grew
up with no money, so it's like there's like that
weird connosation of like trying to connect with money. I'm
not feeling deserving of it because I grew up not
around it, where it's like I think I'm doing it
to shift that. But like I've never chased money. I've
always just chased passion and joy. But then there does
come a point where it's like I really want to
(19:23):
be a dad, and you know, I do know that
you have to like fund the life of someone you know,
and I I'm just aware of that and conscious of that.
And while I don't particlarly like professional boxing, I won't
deny that I love fighting. I love competing, but professional
box is just very trashy. You've got to like talk
shit about your opponent. You've got to sell You're going
(19:45):
to sell the fight, And I don't like that, Like
why isn't it enough that we can just punch on
and fight?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like why is that not enough? You know? Why do
we have to do all this like trashing your family?
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I've always thought and I've always wanted to ask a
box of this, the bit where you have to like
be nose to nose with them, I'd laugh. And I
know this about myself, Like even if I got in
a zone and I didn't like the person, I'd get
that close and like i'd either kiss them or laugh,
like just to break the tension because I don't think
(20:16):
I could handle it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Do you have Is it performative?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Is it like you basically have to be an actor
in that moment or what is it?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I will say that moment face face off is pretty intense,
But I would say that like overall, like ninety percent
of trash talk that you see at press conferences.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And stuff like that, I think a lot of that
is staged.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Personally, I do think the face off is always intense
because there is something really survival that goes on.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
If you ever go to a.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Pub, watch men at a bar, they're always standing, not
face to face, because there is something animalistic inside of
us that happens. When we're like squaring off with someone.
We think it's it's like it's go time, you know,
let's fight. That's why I think men open up in cars,
open up when they're drunk on the side, Like, there's
certain things that are just animalistic and primal, and that
(21:06):
face off is one of them. But most of the
trash talk is bullshit. It's just like smoke and mirrors
to try and sell the fight and mark the fight.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I hate that, hate it.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Who do you think would win in a fight between
Georgie and I? And who would have the better face
off face? Harry?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I would I should have. I shouldn't have wanted to
sing for this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I'm not getting involved. Actually I'm not getting involved.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
No, you must, you must. There's no wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
No comment, no comment.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Jem I'm scrawny, but I'm scrappy, Harry, That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You would have you would have already had, but me,
I'm and I would have and I would like because
I also think this because this is why you don't
do boot camps, and now, Harry, I feel like you actually.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Would probably thrive in a boot that's better than you.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Might thrive in that situation or like sas right now,
I've ever been asked to do that show. But like
if someone was yelling at me, I'd be like, I'm
not a soldier, Like I don't want to do the squat,
Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Ask me nicely, please be kind.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
For the love of God, like that's that's that's that's all.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
So I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I we're not using the R word, Harry, but we
would never. We would never and we hope not. But
if not boxing, do you know what fills up most
of your time?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, well, actually my goal this year, Like I do
know that regardless if I'm Retina, not like my days
are numbered, like like in the sense of like.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Obag in, you're twenty nine, I reckon, you're gonna be okay, Yeah,
just more like.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Don't be too existential. There it is, there it is.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I've been doing this for twenty years and I think
I have you know what's really interesting, I don't know
if this is just like maybe I'm like on the
borderline of sickness. But the last month, like I've been noticing,
like my brain is foggy. It's hard because you're going
into the winter months. Like it's so hard to know.
Like there's so many things that go into the how
we feel in our body. But twenty years of like
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repetitive head trauma, like people have an impact, and I'm
aware of that. And I think the more that you
roll the dice gambling wise with head trauma, I do
think that you will have problems. And so I'm definitely
going to fight again. I do know that, but I
don't have another five years in me. It's only a
couple of war and I just want to enjoy that.
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But when it comes to what's next far.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Out, I don't know. The World's a big place and
there's so many things we can do, but yeah, I
really don't know. And that's like the exist all existential.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But it's just like the identity crisis. There's so many
things and every human goes through this. At the point
if multip time.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And then Harry, you'll have kids and you'll be so
busy that you don't have time to actually have a
meltdown about what's coming next because you're too busy running up.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
But I love for you.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You've always that that parenthood piece has always been such
a big part of your consideration. When you envisage yourself
being a dad, or your brain wanders to what that
will be like is there a picture in your mind
or like, is there a place that you know that
you would be with your kids? Is there anything that
you see and feel?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I think Ben Crow, who worked with many high performance athletes,
he says it best that I just see like when
a young person comes to him and I just love
watching you play.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I just want to play with my kids and just
you know, be around you know. And I do think
there's like a thing that we've restricted kids and their
growth a little bit around like when they get to
troll thirteen fourteen. We've kind of like strangled them a
little bit and suffocated them. And I think that rebels
through other things and do it in quiet where it's
like very much that my parents were really good. I
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think maybe because I'm the youngest, they sort of got
a bit tired and bored that they've treated me like
an adult very quickly, you know, like, yeah, they were
just done. They're like, we've had enough free boys effortself,
but I very much to treat my kids like adults
pretty quickly and just understand that they're a lot smarter
than what we.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Think they are.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Just fun with them. Oh, life is like, there's no
evidence in this world to prove this life is serious.
But so often we take life so seriously.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
What is what is fun for you, Harry Garsade? Right now?
What is the funnest thing in your life? Camping?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Other than camp it's hard.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I love competing, but I would say overall mental masturbation.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I love thinking.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I love it, I really do. I love thinking about deep,
complex things. I love being proven wrong. I love to
evolve my idea.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh jesus, see this is what they need to take Georgie.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Have you ever heard her to phrase before? Because that
is brand new information for me. And for a hot second,
I was like, where the where are we going?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I love it records. We've never had that word on
this podcast. I don't believe, and yet it feels right.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I reckon, OK, can we talk about it? Can we
stop talking about how it feels? I'm very, very anxious.
On that note, we absolutely love you. Come on any time,
and again, thank you for just what you're doing in
being out there speaking to young kids. I just think
the more Harry gar Side conversations that are happening in
the world, the better the world, the place better place
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the world is there we go.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, I appreciate it, and yeah, I don't know. I
just think young people need. I've really thought that. This
is the last thing I'll say. I think young people
need and also struggling with the pace of the world.
This is arguably the quickest it's ever progressed in history,
and I think adults are finding it hard and it's
chaotic and it's crazy, and they're just trying to navigate
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it themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
But I also think you imagine a young person.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I think young people need adults to stand still while
they navigate the chaos of it. And I know it's
hard for adults, but geez, like you imagine being like
someone who's under the age of fifteen and trying to
navigate the speed the chaos, And yeah, I don't know,
That's what I'm trying to do while also trying to
navigate it myself.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
While also navigating traffic as you have changed destinations from
the start in the beginning of this actual interview. So
when you talk about the pace of the world, you're
a busy busy man and we always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Love you, Harry, Appreciate you guys. Love you too.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Ma
Oh, dear listeners, we are coming in absolutely red hot
for this special interview edition. Oh but two good sports
sports US times differently. We have Friend of the Pod
and Jeremy. I say this with love because you and
I have honestly never been cool in our lives. But
Friend of the Pod Harry Garside, he just inhales coolness
(00:25):
and then exhales more coolness, so we'll hopefully get a
lessoning cool. But please, can we welcome Harry Guyside to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Again?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I know, so tell us you've come in hot, going guys,
I'm stressed. I'm in my car, but we're on the chat.
Tell us where do we find you if not in
your car? And what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I know I plan.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I plan my days out so well the day before
and I was like, this is going to work out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm going to Land. I had a flight this morning.
We're in a Land. I'm gonna be able to get
the high car. We have enough time.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
We when we go to a cafe and we're going
to have heaps of time. Turns out flight delayed and
then now we're in the car. So we did get
most of the way through, but we didn't get to
the cafe.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So I'm in the car.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Where are you? Are you near home or are you
where are you traveling to?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm currently in Melbourne. I just landed in Melbourne, so
I'm going camping with my family, which is amazing. I know,
I wish I could do it in person, but I know,
I know, but next time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
The Garside campfire look.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Like valid question from Georgie because you so when you
say with your family, So that's what two brothers as well.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Everyone's going.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, my little nephew, which I'm so excited for. I
have not he'sed three years old. I have not camped
with him before, so I'm very excited to. I feel
like when I was younger, that's like a massive part
of my childhood was camping and spending our time outdoors.
My mum went to a Rudolph Steiner school, so she's
like a bit of a hippie. Yeah yeah, so it
was like one of those weird, unique schools, and I
(01:47):
think very much she sort of inflicted that, which is
a great thing. Inflict is a bad word, but inflicted
that us when we were children.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So you still want to go camping even after I'm
a celebrity.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I feel like I would never do it again.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I secretly I'm like a bit of a sadistic person,
so I secretly loved.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm asl is like torture.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
What are the campfire chats?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Though?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
In all seriousness in the Garside family, because Harry, we
know you love a D and M. Is it is
it full dn M? Or is it like fun? Is
it like card games? Is it just a single long?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
To be honest, my fairly hate me.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
So I do try, I do try my hardest to
get them to go deep, but they just never do.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So you start off with don't you think it's funny?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
And they're like, we're going to get more more fire.
Would just leave it, just leave it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But what it actually is you want.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
To go again with Harry with his gratitude bullshit, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, we're grateful that you're here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Tell us a little bit about what's been going on
since we last had you on the pod.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Take us on a journey.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's been it's been so I feel like naturally
like I'm back end of my twenties now, which is
really cool, twenty nine this year, and yeah, really sort
of just trying to figure out what the next chapter
of my life looks like. And I think I'm like,
I'm still very much boxing. I haven't competed in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Over a year, which is crazy, but I yeah, still
very much trained.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I have set a goal this year to do like
one competition each month, so I've upheld that so far,
which has been a lot of fun. Just trying a
few different things. I've done a bit of running, done
a triathon, just trying my best to diversify.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The joy of sports.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think sport's like one of the greatest things of
my childhood, and I think just trying to relive that
as an adult as much as you can, to try
and reconnect to that younger version of yourself, it's always amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Harry.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I promise we are going to get to the sport
of it all. And I have one thousand and one
questions for you, obviously about the boxing, but before that,
you're saying that you're twenty nine is such a flex
for people who are on the wrong side of thirty.
So I just need to acknowledge that that Jelemy and
I are like thirty five year old teenagers.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
But I love that you rounded down for me.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Georgie your Christmas card is in the mail, but I
already know I got you.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I got you.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you feeling nervous about turning thirty?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
No, not really.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I haven't thought about it like this in all seriousness,
Like I think it's like there's I don't get wrong.
I had this beautiful chat with my best mate Ned Brockman.
I was just like, we can't go back like that
childlike in the sense of like when you were like
eleven twelve, you're lose in sport, but you have this
like childlike innocence. You know, you view the world with
such rose colored eyes eyeglasses, and I think you can't
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go back. And I think I've just been trying to
work on that for the last like too much, trying
to accept that fact, like and enjoy the moment as
much as I can right now, because we can't go
back in time.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We can't take back what we've done. We can't like
it's just happen.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Would you want to go back? Sorry to interrupted, would
you want to go back?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I think like that feeling of joy of winning your
first big event when you're like thirteen fourteen and it
meant like it was bigger than the Olympic Games like that,
that feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
If you could bottle it up it jeez, it would
be amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And I would say that I did because sport where
we do lose brain cells would I would say that
I have a pretty forgetful memory, so it would be
nice to go back.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
George, can you imagine not being existential? George and I?
George and I get nervous about the end of a month,
let alone the end of a decade of our life.
We're like, well, what is the meaning of it all?
If it's almost I think I.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Said, I think people like, you're going to nail today,
You're beautiful, You're strong. I just look into the mirror
and I go, who am I? Who are we today?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Will take a bit of you're talking about having competed
less than what you've probably ever had in your life.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Really taking the step out of that sort.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Of competitive what have you noticed about yourself without one
of those on the always on the horizon to work towards.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's such a hard thing.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think naturally as athletes were always like attaching our
self worth based.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
On what we can do and what we can achieve. Yeah,
and I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Would say that it kind of just like moves to
something else, if that makes sense, like what you can
achieve and you know, I think I'm just trying to
be conscious of trying to separate it as much as
I can, which.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Is really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, like if your whole life has been reinforced
that you get validation through a certain thing, or you
get validation if you do well, you get seen if
you do well, So just trying to like I don't know,
trying to separate that is really hard. I'm still trying
to work it out, like I don't have the answers,
but I think I don't know, like those moments where
(06:26):
like my brother calls me and needs help, or your
friend yeah, or your friend asked for a chop out
and you're there, like or you see someone struggling to
carry shopping and you ask to help. Like these are
like little moments where I can reinforce and no one
sees that. You know. I know I am saying it
right now on a podcast, so but you know what
I mean, Like they are the moments I don't know.
(06:48):
I'm trying to like reinforce me that that's actually way
more honorable, way more respectful.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Than like winning a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
While that is remarkable, you know, I burnt a lot
of people or to get to where I wanted to,
and I just don't know if that was like enhancing
the person that I am striving to become.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
If that makes sense, it definitely does.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Would you say that your competitiveness has changed?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I think it's so hard because I like do yoga
and pilarates like once or twice a week, and I
there's always like one person in the class that comes
to every class and they're really good, and I'm just like,
I'm just saying I want to It's in me. I
can't not have that. Like I'm aware that I'm saying
if they can do it, I can do it, and
I'm like, I'm going to try and learn to navigate that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Harry, we are the same person.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm a pilarates girlie and it's meant to be my
one time where I switch off or whatever I have.
If we're doing a plank, I can't release until everyone
else is down because I need to win that competition.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Like what is it? You just have to go?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Like you look around and you're like, well, that bitch
looks like she's good at this. I'll side clank forever
until she lies down.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Like I'm not even competing with yourself. If they can
do it, I can do it. Like I need to
be able to meet my potential.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What's wrong with us? But also I love that you're
like I'm really going through a journey where I'm searching,
Like I don't need validation from achieving things.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
How a triathlon's going, Harry.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, theath You can pretend all you want, but you're
a change man. But as soon as someone subs out
of one elite form and goes to marathons or triathlons,
I'm like, you you just are who you are, babe.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You're going to lean into it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's crazy, isn't it? And and it's a wild thing.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I think it's like it's hard to know of its
human nature or if it's capitalism, right, like in the
sense of like we're always striving to be better and
more and capitalism is just like continuous growths. Like if
a company does ten million dollars profit one year and
then the next year they make nine million dollars profit,
they think that they failed.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is insane. They made nine million dollars profit. But
that's just the world. We live in.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You know, like if you're not always progressing, growing, getting
your PB better, you feel like going backwards.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But that is not the reality of I think being
a human.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I think I'm trying to navigate that I haven't mastered
it because I'm just shifting to the next thing and
trying to be better at that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But it is also just the world we live it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I feel like you and the chance that you would
have with your best friend Ned Brockman, like do you
go running together, because I feel like your capacity for
cardio is a lot better than mine, where I'm just
walking to and you can actually like sustain a conversation.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well he actually paid me. We did a ten k
on the weekend that was my competition this month. He
paid me for the first I was supposed to the
whole event, but I lasted five k's with him because
he's just way too quick for me, and then I
blew up.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's actually such a flex to have Ned Brockman pace
you in a right now like what people shaking his
head like you rock up to do like a competition.
You're like, Hi, you're the most famous runner in the country. Yeah,
he's pacing me.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
What of it?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
What.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, I couldn't even hold on.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I can hold on.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sorry, I just had an ultimate flashback of like if
I had ever tried to pace jel me in a race,
like what on earth? I'd have to be being dragged
by like the fucking peloton to get to be even
anywhere near to get.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You've never seen me run, and no one's ever seen
me run, And there's good reason for that, George, because
I'm alone. You need to leave me on my own
on a treadmill to look highly unattractive and very competitive.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
But that is a completely different chat.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We are on the eve of when the Commonwealth Games
could have would have should have been in Melbourne, and
we all look at what the team could be like
like and we all go, oh, so glad the Victorian
government spending hundreds of million dollars to not have a
feature event when our track and field team in particular
has never looked stronger. We spoke to you at the
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time about how disappointing that was and what it would
have meant for you in this time and career of
your life to be able to have that show piece
at home. Now that time's passed and everyone's moved on
from it. How do you feel heading into comm Games.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's such a weird thing because I I think I
don't know if I've fully moved through on the other side,
like I'm definitely not retired, so it's like, you know,
I'm not I'm not going to this Common Games. Actually
there's that reality of like, you know, excited for the
athletes to get the opportunity. Like I know the guy
in my way, he's a young kid name of Jacob Cassa.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He's got a.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Great future from Victoria Sam. It's same as me, and
I think he's it's going to be it's so exciting
to almost like pass the baton, not past the baton,
but like you know that sense is like metaphorically like
you're passing the baton onto the next generation and I
really hope that he does amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
How close an.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Eye do you keep on you know, the Australian team,
the national team.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It's like when you're in it, it's a lot because
they're like you're not competitors. Well you're trying to like
encourage them as much as you can. You are aware
that they take your spot sometimes. So yeah, there's like
that weird balancing act of like really wanting them to
do well. And the better they become is the better
that you become. That's how competition works. If they grow
and evolve, you have to go and evolve if you
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want to continue to win it. And so you pay
a fair bit of attention. I've stept a bit back,
so I pay a little bit less, but you more
so just support them from afar and anytime they ask questions,
we try your best to lend some lessons.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
If you get sounds like network television, that's what that
sounds like. Do well, don't go too well, because really
enjoy my job.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
You. George and I were talking off Mike about the
fact that there's so much going on in the world
around negative I guess conversations around masculinity and the manosphere
and you in our minds as such an anecdote to that,
and how even the conversation you're having before been like,
if I can see someone with the shopping, why wouldn't
I help them?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Why wouldn't I be a good mate?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And I know that's something that you take really seriously,
particularly in the context of being a boxer and the
connotations that come with that. And being what people don't expect.
How have you found again? Since we last spoke, it
feels like there's been a real increase in this negative
rhetoric online about being a bloke. How do you take
that on board and how do you counter that?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, I think it's it's such a complex thing, you know.
I think I always try my best to put myself
in like a young person's shoes who's ten eleven t
while been trying to navigate the complexities of going through
social media or you know, it's it's really difficult. And
I'm twenty eight, twenty nine, and I would say that
I'm a fairly curious person, but I'm finding it hard myself.
(13:46):
But I think I've always just thought that, Like, it
seems like divide and conquer. Okay, this is something that
I haven't really unpacked, but I'm just going to unpack
it right here.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So divide and conquer.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It seems like the people in power wanted us to
just be arguing with each other. There's this quote that
I read in a book. While the peasants fight over
scraps of food, it defides it destructs them from the royals,
who feace.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
On food that could feed the whole city.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And I just think that, like, as a society, we
argue with like our neighbor or our partner, or someone
who's in a different gender or a different race, different religion,
and it's like they're not the enemy, they're not the problem.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
They're not the ones who hold the power.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And I think that a lot of the discussion around
masculinity or it's like it's gender against gender, where I
think that the real beauty and real synchronicity is when
we work together, and that's how real unionship happens, and
real camaraderie happens is when you know, men ask more
questions about how women are feeling in their life, when
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men try their best to sit in a woman's shoes
as best as they can, although they will never really
understand what it feels like. You know, it's like if
we can lead with that rather than generally against gender,
and you know, F you or I just I just
don't know that ever solves the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You obviously work so much in this space, Harry, so
you would work a lot with young boys, You work
a lot with young men, probably older men too. Is
it getting better? Like, is there a sense of comprehension
when you are with these people, like is their hope?
Because sometimes, not to be dramatic, I may have said before,
(15:31):
let's burn everything down, like burn it all down, starting
it all down and start again and start again. But
you were, you were there for one of a better
term on the front lines right like you were, you
were actually engaging. So what what has been some of
your observations perhaps.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, well this happened the other day, so I was
very fresh in my mind. I did a talk down
in Eden, which is on the border of Victoria and
your South Wales by the water. It was a pretty
lows economic area. And I did did my talk, and
then there's a Q and eight and I did two
different talks and both talks, some of the questions that
they were asking these kids are like young people, so
(16:06):
they're not kids thirteen to seventeen, and some of the
questions that they are asking are like, well above where
I was when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. And I
think it's like social media is amazing because I think
it does help young people build their emotional literacy, emotional awareness,
and emotional intelligence. But I would say that they are
still thirteen fourteen fifteen, and they're trying to navigate and
(16:29):
understand it. So I do think that there is comprehension
and there is understanding of these, but there is a
lot of like adults are finding this hard, you put
them in the shoes of a young person like I,
As I said, I'm twenty eight, twenty nine, I'm finding
it really difficult. I can't imagine what a thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year old is going through.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But I do think that they're I do have hope.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm so optimistic, So I do have hope, and I
do think some of the questions they were asking were
so different to what you would do expect. It was
about their relationship with their parents, how to deal with failure,
how to deal with the pressure of not meeting their
own expectations. Like these are philosophical, hard questions, and they're
asking you these at school talk, which is really really cool.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You would have loved it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, I was loving it.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I This wasn't last talk, but one a few months
ago a young person asked me, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They would have been roughly fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
They said, what do you think is more powerful science
or spirituality?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm like, oh my god, I do not know.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You're like, well, little Johnny, let me just take a
moment to sit my water as I ponder the meaning
of life and get back to you on do you
think man landed on the moon. Let's make it a
simpler conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I also love that you've become like the authority on that.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
That's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's kind of cool that he's gone.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Do you know who will know?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Garsad? He is gonna know that?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Don't you find that funny?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I always ste that, like when you're younger, you ask
your parents like really deep questions. They don't know the
answers to the questions, but they always give you an
answer on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That though, I do want to bring it back just
to the Australia of it all, Harry, because please excuse
my ignorance when it comes to boxing. Have we seen you?
I know you're not retired.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, you're not retired.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Don't use the R word, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No, he's not retired. I know, I know, thank you, understand.
I know that you're still boxing, thank you. But the
whole professional versus amateur of it all and how that
fits in with national teams, like are we seeing you
in the Green and Gold again, is that still something
that you may want to do or are you are
you looking to other things?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's yeah, it's really hard to know. I definitely don't
have an answer for you because I don't really know.
There's no greater honor of representing Australia. It is the
harsh reality of like being a human. But like, you
do need to fund things, and like, well, I don't
like to, Like I think you need to reframe this
(19:03):
because there's like a weird belief of like I grew
up with no money, so it's like there's like that
weird connosation of like trying to connect with money. I'm
not feeling deserving of it because I grew up not
around it, where it's like I think I'm doing it
to shift that. But like I've never chased money. I've
always just chased passion and joy. But then there does
come a point where it's like I really want to
(19:23):
be a dad, and you know, I do know that
you have to like fund the life of someone you know,
and I I'm just aware of that and conscious of that.
And while I don't particlarly like professional boxing, I won't
deny that I love fighting. I love competing, but professional
box is just very trashy. You've got to like talk
shit about your opponent. You've got to sell You're going
(19:45):
to sell the fight, And I don't like that, Like
why isn't it enough that we can just punch on
and fight?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like why is that not enough? You know? Why do
we have to do all this like trashing your family?
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I've always thought and I've always wanted to ask a
box of this, the bit where you have to like
be nose to nose with them, I'd laugh. And I
know this about myself, Like even if I got in
a zone and I didn't like the person, I'd get
that close and like i'd either kiss them or laugh,
like just to break the tension because I don't think
(20:16):
I could handle it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Do you have Is it performative?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Is it like you basically have to be an actor
in that moment or what is it?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I will say that moment face face off is pretty intense,
But I would say that like overall, like ninety percent
of trash talk that you see at press conferences.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And stuff like that, I think a lot of that
is staged.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Personally, I do think the face off is always intense
because there is something really survival that goes on.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
If you ever go to a.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Pub, watch men at a bar, they're always standing, not
face to face, because there is something animalistic inside of
us that happens. When we're like squaring off with someone.
We think it's it's like it's go time, you know,
let's fight. That's why I think men open up in cars,
open up when they're drunk on the side, Like, there's
certain things that are just animalistic and primal, and that
(21:06):
face off is one of them. But most of the
trash talk is bullshit. It's just like smoke and mirrors
to try and sell the fight and mark the fight.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I hate that, hate it.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Who do you think would win in a fight between
Georgie and I? And who would have the better face
off face? Harry?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I would I should have. I shouldn't have wanted to
sing for this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I'm not getting involved. Actually I'm not getting involved.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
No, you must, you must. There's no wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
No comment, no comment.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Jem I'm scrawny, but I'm scrappy, Harry, That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You would have you would have already had, but me,
I'm and I would have and I would like because
I also think this because this is why you don't
do boot camps, and now, Harry, I feel like you actually.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Would probably thrive in a boot that's better than you.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Might thrive in that situation or like sas right now,
I've ever been asked to do that show. But like
if someone was yelling at me, I'd be like, I'm
not a soldier, Like I don't want to do the squat,
Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Ask me nicely, please be kind.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
For the love of God, like that's that's that's that's all.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
So I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I we're not using the R word, Harry, but we
would never. We would never and we hope not. But
if not boxing, do you know what fills up most
of your time?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, well, actually my goal this year, Like I do
know that regardless if I'm Retina, not like my days
are numbered, like like in the sense of like.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Obag in, you're twenty nine, I reckon, you're gonna be okay, Yeah,
just more like.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Don't be too existential. There it is, there it is.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I've been doing this for twenty years and I think
I have you know what's really interesting, I don't know
if this is just like maybe I'm like on the
borderline of sickness. But the last month, like I've been noticing,
like my brain is foggy. It's hard because you're going
into the winter months. Like it's so hard to know.
Like there's so many things that go into the how
we feel in our body. But twenty years of like
(23:19):
repetitive head trauma, like people have an impact, and I'm
aware of that. And I think the more that you
roll the dice gambling wise with head trauma, I do
think that you will have problems. And so I'm definitely
going to fight again. I do know that, but I
don't have another five years in me. It's only a
couple of war and I just want to enjoy that.
(23:41):
But when it comes to what's next far.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Out, I don't know. The World's a big place and
there's so many things we can do, but yeah, I
really don't know. And that's like the exist all existential.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But it's just like the identity crisis. There's so many
things and every human goes through this. At the point
if multip time.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And then Harry, you'll have kids and you'll be so
busy that you don't have time to actually have a
meltdown about what's coming next because you're too busy running up.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
But I love for you.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You've always that that parenthood piece has always been such
a big part of your consideration. When you envisage yourself
being a dad, or your brain wanders to what that
will be like is there a picture in your mind
or like, is there a place that you know that
you would be with your kids? Is there anything that
you see and feel?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I think Ben Crow, who worked with many high performance athletes,
he says it best that I just see like when
a young person comes to him and I just love
watching you play.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I just want to play with my kids and just
you know, be around you know. And I do think
there's like a thing that we've restricted kids and their
growth a little bit around like when they get to
troll thirteen fourteen. We've kind of like strangled them a
little bit and suffocated them. And I think that rebels
through other things and do it in quiet where it's
like very much that my parents were really good. I
(25:04):
think maybe because I'm the youngest, they sort of got
a bit tired and bored that they've treated me like
an adult very quickly, you know, like, yeah, they were
just done. They're like, we've had enough free boys effortself,
but I very much to treat my kids like adults
pretty quickly and just understand that they're a lot smarter
than what we.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Think they are.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Just fun with them. Oh, life is like, there's no
evidence in this world to prove this life is serious.
But so often we take life so seriously.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
What is what is fun for you, Harry Garsade? Right now?
What is the funnest thing in your life? Camping?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Other than camp it's hard.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I love competing, but I would say overall mental masturbation.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I love thinking.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I love it, I really do. I love thinking about deep,
complex things. I love being proven wrong. I love to
evolve my idea.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh jesus, see this is what they need to take Georgie.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Have you ever heard her to phrase before? Because that
is brand new information for me. And for a hot second,
I was like, where the where are we going?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I love it records. We've never had that word on
this podcast. I don't believe, and yet it feels right.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I reckon, OK, can we talk about it? Can we
stop talking about how it feels? I'm very, very anxious.
On that note, we absolutely love you. Come on any time,
and again, thank you for just what you're doing in
being out there speaking to young kids. I just think
the more Harry gar Side conversations that are happening in
the world, the better the world, the place better place
(26:40):
the world is there we go.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, I appreciate it, and yeah, I don't know. I
just think young people need. I've really thought that. This
is the last thing I'll say. I think young people
need and also struggling with the pace of the world.
This is arguably the quickest it's ever progressed in history,
and I think adults are finding it hard and it's
chaotic and it's crazy, and they're just trying to navigate
(27:04):
it themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
But I also think you imagine a young person.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I think young people need adults to stand still while
they navigate the chaos of it. And I know it's
hard for adults, but geez, like you imagine being like
someone who's under the age of fifteen and trying to
navigate the speed the chaos, And yeah, I don't know,
That's what I'm trying to do while also trying to
navigate it myself.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
While also navigating traffic as you have changed destinations from
the start in the beginning of this actual interview. So
when you talk about the pace of the world, you're
a busy busy man and we always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Love you, Harry, Appreciate you guys. Love you too.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
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