May 11, 2026 • 32 mins
She scored the winning goal for England at the 2018 Commonwealth Games, was the MVP at the 2023 World Cup, and dressed as Hannah Montana for her 30th birthday. She is of course, Helen Housby.
She's probably the most famous netballer in the world, and she joins us to talk going viral without trying, becoming an Aussie and why the world’s best netballers still don’t have the security they deserve. Could a new TV deal with Super Netball change all that? Plus, we discuss the MBE and meeting the King, coffee snobbery, and her extremely handsome cat, Roger.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the traditional owners of the land on which we record
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always was, always will be. Dear listener, today's guest is
Netball Royalty and as you know, we're big fans of
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Netball Royalty on Two Good Sports. She has a flair
for the clutch moment more than any other player potentially
in the world. From the bright lights of international readers
to sinking that unforgettable Commonwealth Games winning shot, this woman
has built a reputation as one of the coolest heads
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in the game. She is a cornerstone of England's Roses
and a superstar of the new South Wales Swift. She
also loves a little bit of a viral moment dancing
to Lizzo on court.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, dear listener, say it with me. War No of us, one,
no of us.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She coaches kids in her free time in Hell. For
her thirtieth birthday, she dressed as Hannah mon Tana, our
Lord and save would you please Welcome to Two Good Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Helen has been MBA.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Thanks guys, that was such a lovely intro. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Helen, I've got to address the NBA first of all.
Oh my gosh, immediately, what does it?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Do?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You actually know what it stands for?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Because Jelemy and I were thinking, is it just much
better than everyone else?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like what does MBA mean?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
No, so it stands for Member of the British Empire,
which sounds giving very far. There's a few different ones,
so there's like Commander of the British Empire or order.
But I got a member, yeah, which I think is
the lowest one. So but yeah, I'm I'll take whatever
I can get.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Still giving much better than everyone else.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
That's what's giving delivered the entire country at Conwealth Medal,
because that's what happens when you are the one that
secures They're like, oh, well, let's just give us something.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Gotta we got to we've got to pay it back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We go hear the goods.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I think you kind of have to get nominated for it,
and you probably have to have a decent long career.
But yeah, you know, I haven't actually picked it up yet,
so I haven't actually been to get it from the
king yet. Because you have to go to like the
investigure days and they just haven't lined up with my
schedule of being out here in Sydney. So I'm hoping
this Christmas is when I'll actually.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Pick it up.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But I just took it on my Instagram name straight away.
Obviously I haven't got it, but I need to go
and see the King.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
You've got to make sure that if they have to
call you at an airport for being late, they have
to say mb at the end. Whenever they're like doctor someone,
I'm like, well that would be nice, wouldn't it. You've
got to be out of launch MBA because that's actually
even more impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But you're like, oh, got to catch up with the King.
It just hasn't lined We have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Different we have different like Christmas holidays planned, Helen.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna see slightly.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're meeting up with Charlie with respect and we we
who knows, we'll just be working through.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I guess yeah, just always that things things work. But
tell us a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Obviously we've discussed the fact that you are a much
love English star of netball. How do you find playing
in England as opposed to playing in Australia, Because we
are very proud of the fact that super netbul is
the greatest domestic competition in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
How do you find it here? What's the difference?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Honestly, I think playing for England and playing for the
Swifts out here kind of they compare quite well in
terms of crowds and in terms of noise. Yeah, I
think whenever you play internationally it's always a huge deal.
There's a big buzz, you're selling out arenas, and then
the same can be said for super Netball. So to
be honest, it's they're both great. I think the league
out here is definitely, you know, ahead of the league
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in the UK. And yeah, that's just in terms of
crowd size, you know, the amount of times that you
train per week. It's probably more fully professional over here.
But yeah, I've got a soft spot for both places.
I think Sydney and Manchester are probably my two favorite
places to play. But yeah, I think there's always always
amazing crowds. But super Netball, I think domestically is definitely
the best in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Sydney Manchester slightly different in terms of climate. I mean geographically, yes,
but maybe the climate. How how have you taken to
Sydney life.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Would you say, well, I've been here for ten years,
so I'd say pretty well, yeah, I love it out
here that the lifestyle is so good.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I'm a very active, outdoorsy kind of person.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Love the beach, love good food, good coffee is a
big thing. So yeah, as soon as I got out here,
I was like, oh, I think I'm going to like
this place, and yeah, I just haven't left. But I
also feel like I get kind of the best of
both worlds. Because I represent England, I kind of have
to go home, yeah every year, so I get to
see my family. I always have Christmas at home, so
it's never really felt like I've fully isolated myself from England,
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which I love because I get, you know, snowy Christmases
and I get to go and you know, see my family.
So yeah, it's kind of felt like I've got the
best of both worlds. Don't want to sound like ham Montana,
but yeah, there it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There, it is.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Well, you do mention you've been here for ten years,
so that means that we're going to claim you, like
you can play for the Roses as much as you want,
but you know you're Aussie.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now, what is the thing that.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
When you do go back for those beautiful white Christmases
that you do that your parents or your family go,
my god, you're soul Australian. Like, is there things that
you've You've mentioned that you love coffee. That's a very
Australian thing. Are there things that have changed about you
in that time that they go, ohh take that from
down Under.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There's only one coffee shop in my town that I
will go to, and it's it's the only one that
I think has good coffee. There's probably like ten that
my family would go to, but it's the only one
I'll go to because I'm like, no, this one tastes right.
The other ones don't taste right or they don't I
don't know. It's just like they don't use the right milk,
and I'm just like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Just need the right one of us, of us, That's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But it is.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
It is true, like the coffee out here is so
good you get you just get used to it. And
to be fair that there's some great places in Manchester
in London and there's loads of nice places, but I
think that the standard rural coffee is much better in
Australia than it is in the UK. So I think
I've become quite picky. Yeah, but you also said you're
claiming us. I'm actually applying for my citizenship, so technically
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will be Australian. Said, so I'm a permanent resident right now,
but I'm applying for my citizenship. I won't be playing
for Australia.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Come surely shine bright like a diamond.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
And also also just an Order of Australia. Yeah, you've
already got an MB.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can am.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, I mean, what are they Order of Australian Metal.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, you're right, You're right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You can collect like, you can actually collect. And I
only say this.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
The only reason is my my grandpa's an OB and
an o AM, so you can do both.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Oh my god, you're collecting finish?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah? Why are we the same person?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Helen?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That was Are we best friends? Tell me we just
became best friends.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
You're the only two people on the planet that I
think would have picked that up from what was being said.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I might go, but we won't go. Let's talk
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
You're you're out injured at the moment, which is devastating
for the swifts and for the y A Nipple community.
But tell us a little bit about how the injury
is going, because it is tough when you just want
to be out there and be playing.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, it's going well, and you know, it's actually the
first time I've ever had at season kind of disrupting
injury like this in this nature and you know, having
it you know, take me out for so long, which
is tough. And yeah, it's a back injury, which is
kind of annoying because it kind of you have to
let it rest for a good while. You can't really
do that much rehab and gym work or anything else
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because it just agrees it. So, to be honest, for
the last three or four weeks, I've kind of just
been trying to make myself busy. But yeah, I'm starting
to kind of do my rehab now, get in the
pool and do a lot more stuff, which is great
because i think the first the first intural kind of
three weeks you just need to let it settle and
kind of let the bone heal. But yeah, it's going good.
If anything, I'm just really bored, Like it's so boring
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going into training and watching everyone watching around and you're
kind of just sat there twiddling your thumbs a little bit.
And game days, I still love it, but it's just
a horrible experience to watch on the sideline and not
be able to impact and you have all of this
energy and adrenaline and you can't get it out.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
On the sideline, my heart rate is like one fifty.
I'm sweating buckets like it's not good because you live
every single pass and it feels like you're out there,
but you're not able to get out any energy. So
I'm there like munching on suites and like bouncing in
my chair and yeah, it's it's not fun, but yeah,
I'm happy to kind of help out the girls in
any way.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I kind of and be that supportive voice.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like to give a little bit of a comparison there,
and you know, I don't want exact numbers, but just
a guess to it. What would you say your heart
rate is when you're lining up to take a goal.
You're shot at goal because you know what I mean,
because you make it look effortless.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
It kind of depends on how much you've done prior
to getting into position. But yeah, our heards would be
pretty high for the full sixty minutes in a netballs
you know, quite NonStop kind of game. But honestly, before
I take a shot, I tend to kind of breathe
a little bit and try and take a moment to
kind of reduce heart rates. I think that helps. But
I would absolutely say, my heart it's higher watching one
of my teammates to take a shit on the bench
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then it would be me being on the court because
you can't control it, and it just, yeah, everything is
so important, especially with the way our season's gone. It
feels like every pass, every shot is so important. So yeah,
I'm a bit of a dress ball I think on
the sideline.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I mean, we need to lobby for Netbull to allow
aura rings so we can get to the bottom of this.
I mean that you've got to You've gotta chop your nails.
You know, a lot of where a ring out there.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I don't know that that's I don't know that's the
way forward, but we might. We might find out.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
But with netble and we are. I'm someone that played
netball four nights a week growing up. It was my passion.
It was where I made friends, it was where I
found it, And I think netball can give and does
give community just so many young girls and especially we've
seen such a spike now and men as well. And
it's the sport that women's still play socially as well.
It's so important to the fabric of women being engaged
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in sport in this country. But we have been lagging
for such a long time in the opportunities but also
in the financial support that we give to women's players.
And you just said, you know, playing for the Swifts
actually aligns with this sort of training that you do
when you represent your country. That's level of professionalism that
is needed to keep up. We do have a situation
where at the moment Super netball players do not know
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what they are going to get paid next season or
what their contracts are going to look like because we're
waiting for the TV deal to land. It has happened,
so it's going to be back on free to wear.
But it baffles me that we have the best players
in the world in a domestic league that unfortunately are
put in this situation because of the way that the
sport's being managed that they can't have security for their lives.
(10:29):
And I'm the one putting my hand up you don't
have to say it. It's not good enough. It's not
good enough yet. Is this something that and again, over
your ten years of being in Australia you would have
been through every iteration and growth of netball. Is this
something that frustrates you when you go, we're the best
at what we do where selling out stadiums?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Can the other shoe just drop?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Absolutely, I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Obviously that the new TV deal that's coming in is
super exciting, and you know, I think being on free
to air is really cool, but it kind of always
feels and we've had this situation before where it just
took a long time to give clarity to the players
and it just seemed to I don't know whether it
seemed like it wasn't a priority, but it just seemed
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like it took a long time to find a decision
that could be then related to the players. And in
the meantime, you know, girls are trying to get houses,
trying to get mortgages there, yeah, trying to live day
to day. You know, we had a situation a few
years back where we were, you know, bargaining for the
players agreement, and I think players went unpaid for two
months and it was just something that we actually put
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our feet in the sand and stood for something because
it was worth it and we actually got a good,
good result out of that. But I don't think it
should take you know, players not having paychecks to get
points across. And I do think that the landscape is
changing and it's working better, and I think the relationship
between our Players Association and Netble Australia, I think is
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getting a lot better. And yeah, hopefully this TV deal
can be you know, related to the players pretty quickly.
I do understand that it's it's very complex when you
change from uh, you know, one TV rights to another,
but yeah, I think I would just love if it
could be dealt with quickly and yeah, as professionally as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Does it when all of this is happening, you know,
off court hill and I mean you feature quite predominantly
because of who you are, But does it affect the
mood of the playing group? Like, I know, you guys
are super professional and all of that, but you're also
human at the end of the day, and so it
does it does that?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Does that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Sometimes?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
It definitely can do. I think for this this most
recent TV deal. It hasn't just because there hasn't. There
hasn't really been enough to impact us on the day
to day for you to think about it too much.
I mean, obviously we'd love to have more clarity, but
I think the signing period hasn't really started yet. There's
you know, there's conversations that haven't really started to happen.
I think a few years ago, when we were doing
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you know, kind of the big it turned into a
bit of a fight, to be honest, but we were
doing a big bargaining that definitely was affecting players, and
you know, players were being asked to stand together and
not receive a paycheck and not sign a particular deal
because we didn't agree with it. And yeah, that definitely
affects you. It affects you as a nutball player, but
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just as a human trying to live their life. It
definitely can have a massive impact. I think you don't
need to be an athlete to want to have a
bit of job security and.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Want to know where your paycheck's going to come from.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So yeah, I think it definitely has an impact. This
most recent one, I think isn't too bad. I think
people are maybe involved in the conversations, it's probably quite stressful.
But yeah, I think hopefully we can get it kind
of sorted out and ironed out before it becomes a
bit of a stress for the players.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
And I think it is this scenario, well I know
it is a scenario with this deal that it's actually
a little bit less than what the deal was, but
when Nitball was behind a paywall, but we know that
we need people to see and watch these games, to
fall in love with it and what those viewing eyes
will do for sponsors. So there is potentially going to
be a bit of a feeling of, you know, one
step forward, two steps back, but then to take five
steps forward in terms of awareness. And I think that's
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something that you know, Australians first and foremost we love winning,
oh yeah, and we have some of the best players
in the but also when you look at the final series,
the super Netball Final series last year, you couldn't script it,
Like it's some of the most dramatic television in the world.
And if you want to be in a crowd where
every single person has merch, has a favorite player, is
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fully engaged, like there's some sports where you're like, yeah,
you'll go and there might be five thousand people there,
but you know they're sort of wandering along.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
In netball, it is it is war to get in the.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Line to get any piece of merchandise. I mean we
talk about Infinity stones, Helen us trying to get like
a bloody hat all I want.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Again, something that I found really interesting, and again through
speaking to Joe Wesson, is that these players and especially
I know that Helen, your badgers and all all of
your merch that has your face on it would be
so popular. You're signing these things and they're produced, but
the players are not receiving a cut of that yet.
So I think it's things like this that sort of
the players sit back and go, well, if it's if
it's us that's bringing it to the table, and if
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it's us that are going out there and promoting the game,
we just want to fear cut of.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
And you know that was that was the thing that
was kind of being argued about a few years ago
about the revenue share model. And I think, you know,
Netbull was one of the only sports in Australia that
didn't kind of use some form of revenue share where
it's you know, however much the spot makes the players
take a cut. So yeah, that was that was really
important for us. And I think it wasn't the full
model that you would want, and it's not the end product,
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but I think it was a good step and yeah,
someone like Joe fought really hard for that on our behalf,
And yeah, it's it's one step of many, I think
to get us to where we need to be in
terms of getting paid. But yeah, I think we see
so many girls wearing the kit and wanting our signatures
and getting all of this, but the players aren't taking
cut of that, and the players are the product. So yeah,
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it's difficult sometimes to see, but I think we are
moving in the right direction slowly.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, and the game is just moving in the right direction.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I mean, at the end of the day, sold out,
just regular season games where you literally can't get a ticket,
and the atmosphere like you build it and they will come.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Netple's Shelly, it's built. It's built.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
We just need and people like Whoopee Goldberg see footage
of the.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Game and go what is I will have this?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Do you remember the moment where the Whoopee went, oh yeah,
I'm on board, And how it all felt.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I do, yeah, and I think anyone. I always say
this to people, as say, if you don't know anything
about netball, just go to a live game, like a
good quality a super netball game, a finals game, and an
international game. Go to a live game, watch it live,
and just see how fast it is, how ferocious. How
people just have this opinion that it's non contact and
it's pivot and it's the schoolgirl game. And I think
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when you go and actually watch it, there are bodies
on the line. You know, people are flying everywhere, the
sweat everywhere, like it's incredibly fast, Like some of the
athletes are just insane, And I think people don't really
realize that or respect that. And you know, for for myself,
I've kind of I've been around a lot of different
sports and I love I love sport, and I have
friends in different codes, and I can say without a
(17:16):
doubt that netball is up there with the most professional
athletes you've ever met in your life. You know, they
the way they approach gym, the way they approach nutrition, sleep, everything,
even you know, the off court antics. I mean, you
very rarely hear of a netball player getting into trouble
it's so true. And the professionalism standards and levels is
so so high in netball, and I think it does
(17:38):
reflect the product that you see on your TV. We
just want people to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's also one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's also I would say competition at junior level.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think, well this is and I would say and
I mean and I mean this with absolute love that
netball itself, especially if you get to the super NETBW level,
it's a cohort of type A personalities, right, Like you
are the highest of the high achievers that that is
usually they studying something.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, they're actually that MBS.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, you're all of this happening, you know, Helen,
I don't know if you know this, but Queen Liz,
friend of the Pod, friend of ours, she has always
said that she's able to pick what netball position a
person would be based on their personality because they are
intrinsically linked.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
You are a shooter. Jelmy was a shooter.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I was a gry that's not muscled out, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
All elbows.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You're like hitting people and people want to say it's
not physical.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
You should watch anyone try to defend on Fellonimbu. Do
you tell me it's physical game.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
How would you describe your personality Helen on court?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
On court?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
It's probably very different to of course, I think on court,
I mean quite fasty, quite quite competitive. I mean I
am a shooter, so I mean traditionally, I think we
like the glory, we like the attention.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We love to score the goals.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I mean, any shoot we will tell you they like it.
They like the attention, they like to score the goals.
I mean there's always a lot of pressure, and you
know that's part of the game, and it can be
a really isolating and difficult position and it can be
really tough. But we also chose this position, and we
know for yeah, a full fact, that the shooters get
a lot of attension and we enjoy it. We like
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having the ball in our hands and the game on
the line, and yeah, I think that's that's a good
thing and it's something to embrace.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
With your resting heart.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right of twelve of twelve in the circle that's you.
So then talked me through, talk me through your reactions
to that moment, that viral moment of you singing to
Lizzo on court, Like, was that were you aware that
that was happening at the time, or did you just
go into like the zen space and you were just like,
I'm in my happy zone.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
No, So so many people have said to me, were
you just like miming it and you were downcing. I
was like, no, it was blasting in the arena and
it was I think it was before like we went
out for the second quarter or third quarter, so we
were like, there was nothing happening. We were just waiting
for the whistle and the music was blasting and the
whole arena was singing and dancing. And I think for
me personally, I've always enjoyed moments that kind of take
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me out of the game for a few seconds to
kind of relax, and yeah, I think just lower the
heart rate, have a bit of fun, and then switch
back into game mode, because I think it can be
quite hard to sustain, you know, that level of focus.
And I think for me, I've always enjoyed kind of
playing with the crowd and.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Being be being happy.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And I think when I'm smiling and having fun, I
think I played my best, my best netball, but I
did not know I was being filmed. I thought I
was just a bit of fun. And before this before
this happened, I was I was turned around to my goal.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Shoot.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it might have been Ellen a card well
at the time, and we were dancing kind of together.
And then I turned back around and go up to
think and it just looks like I'm dancing on my
own like a loser. But yeah, no, I didn't. I
didn't know it was being filmed. Yeah it did. It went,
It went viral annoyingly though I didn't have the right,
like I didn't post the video, and I think it
did some crez easy numbers on TikTok. I would have
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got paid like a good amount of money.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
If it's just the tragedy, actually, the tragedy, the tragedy
of today's economy, Yeah, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
This is why the algorithms can be tragic.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You know, you're just it's not going where it needs
to go.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Did you wake up? And just so, how do you do?
Speaker 6 (21:19):
You look at the dancing in your video and you're
like somebod who didn't think they were getting filmed.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's not bad awful, No, I don't. I don't know.
That's the thing. I don't even know the dance. That's
the thing. That I'm not doing the right I'm not like,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
A TikTok dancer, Like it's just pure vibe, like I'm
not I don't know. I know a kind of like
one or two moves, but I don't know what the
dance is.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So you can see that. I'm just kind of like,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Every time I look at it, I just cringe so
bad because it's not the right dance. It's not but
I was just, yeah, I was feeling it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And the beautiful thing about viral they never disappear. You'll
think it's gone, and then it was something someone also
reposted and you're getting You'll.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Be like, oh, there it is again. It just it
just keeps following me, this thing. But we love it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And again, as you said, it's it's the vibe. It's
the vibe, and you are such a vibe. And I think,
particularly for athletes, your life would have been about dedicating
yourself to netball. You just said, you've had your first
injury that's taken you out of the game or out
of a season for a lot. As long as what
you've had, we know that it's just so important that
you have other things in your life that you love.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We just met your beautiful cat, Roger, who I.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Don't know if he's floating around somewhere in the back
of the shop, but it's important.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
We're grabbing him. Roger.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Wait wait, Roger Dodger, I said, the feder is silent.
You've gone, Roger, I've gone.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Oh look, oh sorry, it's even a particularly attractive cat,
it is it Actually have people have children and think
they're attractive.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You actually have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I adopted him from the irs PA.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I saw him online. So I saw his picture. It
was kind of like being on Tinder.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So I was like an animal and I was like,
oh no, no, no, but no, I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
But I saw Roger and I was like, oh, he's
He reminded me of a cat that I had when
I was little. So yeah, it was so you just.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Give us more evidence to sign you up for the diamonds.
I'm so sorry. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, she's passing
the citizenship test.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
She also has Roger identifies as Australians. I mean that's
blood relative. You're fine.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What else what else do you like? Soee, you love
your coffee, you love your cat?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
What else do you do out of out of nipple
time that just lights you up.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I love my I love traveling. I'm a big traveler.
I love getting away on the weekends. I love I mean,
obviously I'm from Europe, but I love travel around Europe.
I'm sure lads of Aussies can relate to a euro summer.
But yeah, I love being adventurous. I love getting out.
I'm a farm girl from heart, so yeah, I grew
up on a farm, very rural in England, so I
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love animals, being outside, going on hikes.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I mean, I love all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And then yeah, I think with the girls that we've
got in Sydney, they kind of become like your sisters
because they're your support support system. So we love going
out for food, going to get drinks, like we still like,
love to have social lives outside of netball and and
kind of do things that that regular humans do. And
recently I've been on a bit of a cinema trend.
I've got like a cinema club with one of my teammates.
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So we've watched like four films in the last like
three or four weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, immediately, what's been the best one project?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Mary was the best one that we went through. The
space one yet so good and Devil was proud of
to is the next on the on the list. I know,
I know, we've seen, we've seen, so we're excited about
that one. But yeah, I think we're pretty I'm pretty
normal in my in my interests. I love being out,
being active, being social, and I do a lot of
coaching as well. So I have my own coaching business
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and do a lot of coaching the kids and do
all of that. So yeah, it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I did think that you and Georgie may have been
separated at birth until you said you love to hike.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
As I.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And here is where we partways.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Tap out, tap out from the hike.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But hey, I'll be there for the you know what
do they call it the apro ski at.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
The bottom of the mountain. I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You're doing great, babe, you're doing You're doing great.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You're doing great. Drag me up there. Yeah, I can
see it. I can see the view.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, apro hig that's what I need. Hey, well,
when you are in Australia, I mean, you know this,
the time difference can be a real real this is
a technical term bitch when it comes to trying to
keep up with things that you love over there, whether
that be family, whether that be football results. I know
that you're a huge Manchester United fan. How do you
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keep the love alive?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
I mean, recently with them being injured, I've kind of
just been staying up till three am to watch the
game live because I don't really have to worry about
having a shocking day at training. So yeah, when I
when I if I was in training or if I
was in the season, still, yeah, i'd probably be fast asleep.
But you know, these days, I don't really have to
be on my one hundred percent game when I'm not training,
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so yeah, sometimes I'll stay open and actually watch them live,
particularly now that we've just made the Champions League, very
exciting part of the season for us. But yeah, I've
always been a die hard footy fan man United fan,
and yeah, it can be difficult more so to catch
up with friends, family. It depends on kind of when
the clocks are as well. It makes it quite a
big difference. But yeah, I think just having a regular
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routine helps. I think I got into a routine of
every time I was driving to training at like seven am,
I'd call my mum, call my friends that was kind
of my time to call people in the car and
do the same on the way home from training, and yeah,
that kind of worked out pretty well. But yeah, I
think just being being intentional with it and having plans
kind of in place to do it, because I think
it can be really easy to drift apart from people
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and it's definitely something I never wanted to do. So
I still have my same group of eight friends from
school from you know, when we were eleven twelve, So
I've still got that WhatsApp group and it's still annoying
every day.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
There's probably about fifty notifications in.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
There, and yeah, but it's great and I think, yeah,
it's something that's been very autant to me. But I
do think I've been I've been lucky in the fact
that I get to go home quite a lot compared
to you know, other people who might move out to Australia.
So I do get to catch up and reconnect with people,
especially around Christmas, which yeah, I feel very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, don't connect with too many people because you've got
a date with the King, so you know, you can't
you can't be.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We can't be doing all the catch.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Ups, you know, and I need to on that.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I need to decide, so you can only take three
people with you, like into the room where the king is.
So no, It's so funny because when it instantly when
it got announced, my sister rang me.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
She's like, are you taking? Like that was how many?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
How many siblings do you have?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Okay, so I've got two siblings, but I've got your
parents still together, still alive, so they definitely are getting
the they have to go tick. But my grandma like
loves it and like loves loves the Royal generation love
the royals, would love to go and see the king,
like would just have the best time. And I just
feel like my sister hasn't done enough to to.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Earn the right.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I'm trying to like let her down gently.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'm like, we can go and.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Stand like a nice hotel and.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We can go to a pub called the Royal Im Like.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
No, we're going to turn it into like this weekend.
I was like, we can go and have like a
nice weekend and we'll do afternoon tea and we'll do
all this nice stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But then like, you can't come with us.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I live close to Royal Randwick. The King's been there once. Yes,
that will do we go.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
See.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
This is where I'm sick in the head because I'd
be like, look, there's one spot between all of you.
You have a data lobby who bring the best thing.
Mum and Dad are coming here, including you Nan, who's
bringing the best of the tables.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you're right in.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
That you're our like NaN's generation. There's a different level
of love.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
They love the Royal.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Your guest list is sound. Your guest list is sound.
I have no notes, like you have to take your
parents and your grandma like.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's just that's just what it is. They would love
it like that they're going to do.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But no fight to the death between the siblings.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
No, I know, yeah, yeah, they just have to.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
She's lovely.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I think I'm set. Yeah, I know it should be.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Maybe you can ask Charles and be like, look, I've
left it long enough. Have I accrued another? Plus it's
been that.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Long him to be honest, I'll be like, hello, but
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You have to you have to be quite formal and
you have to wear that faster our heart like it's
very very formal obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You've got to wear a fascinator.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Okay, wear fed piece like as if you're at like
a fancy wedding and like a fascinator or a hat
or something, so.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
You could you could wear the cowgirl hat, bring it back,
Bring it back, bring the cow girl Hannah Montana hat
from your thirtieth Oh my, come on.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Charles might like it, but I don't think that's appropriate.
I enjoyed wearing that very much, but I think I
need a different kind of hat.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Miley would do it, That's what I'm saying. Miley would
do it.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No one, We're so excited for you.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What a time? When can we actually get you back
on though? Like, do you know do we know this
this back injury? I know it's a wait and see.
Is there a rough estimate?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's so it's kind of dependent. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I mean, we're hopeful I can get back by the
end of the season and then Commonloft games, and that's
definitely the aim, but it's kind of dependent on how
it heals and I have to kind of get it
re scammed to then kind of you know, that dictates
how my rehab goes and how how the return goes. So, yeah,
fingers crossed. It's it's looking good and I'm feeling quite good.
I'm not in heaps of pain and I'm kind of
moving around well. But it's almost one of those more
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preventative measures that it could get a lot worse if, yeah, if.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You do the wrong things.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So yeah, fingers crossed back by end of season, common
off games, and yeah, that's that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You mentioned the com games.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We have a track record on this podcast of wishing
people well until they come up against our team. So
we wish you very well for the supernep Ball season,
but we really hope that comecong games for whatever reason,
you're not ready.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Because we don't need we don't need all make clutch
out there.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, we don't need the clutch play as.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Well, know comm games. Watching the Diamonds like, it's it's
a different level of emotion.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Love you not that much.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I'm used to that.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I'm out here ten years and I've had so many
people say like, oh, I love you, like I love
watching you play, like unless like unless you're playing for Australia,
then I'll boo your name and I'm just like that's fair,
Like I get it.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I'm a sports fun as well, Like I understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Yeah, she's a sports fan. She's a good sport and
we love you. We love Roger. Thank you so much
for coming on. If your dog, she's going to be
back up in Sydney, so I have to get you
in real time in studio.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We'd love that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I would love that. I feel like we've got we've got.
I've got a cinema club I got to go to like,
I got so many, I've got so much on.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
She's also available when you're driving.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Sorry, I was like, hold your beer, I could be
plus one come man honorary houseby.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I feel like it's the roll of your ball for
she will.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
She'd wear the animal turn a hat just to take
attention away so that you don't have to feel nervous
because you can be like love you to meet each other.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Sorry about the don't know about it. I don't know
who brought her, No, we really don't.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Best of luck with your recovery. Thanks for all you do.
This has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for having me on.
This has been awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
M
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Netball Royalty on Two Good Sports. She has a flair
for the clutch moment more than any other player potentially
in the world. From the bright lights of international readers
to sinking that unforgettable Commonwealth Games winning shot, this woman
has built a reputation as one of the coolest heads
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in the game. She is a cornerstone of England's Roses
and a superstar of the new South Wales Swift. She
also loves a little bit of a viral moment dancing
to Lizzo on court.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, dear listener, say it with me. War No of us, one,
no of us.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She coaches kids in her free time in Hell. For
her thirtieth birthday, she dressed as Hannah mon Tana, our
Lord and save would you please Welcome to Two Good Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Helen has been MBA.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Thanks guys, that was such a lovely intro. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Helen, I've got to address the NBA first of all.
Oh my gosh, immediately, what does it?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Do?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You actually know what it stands for?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Because Jelemy and I were thinking, is it just much
better than everyone else?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like what does MBA mean?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
No, so it stands for Member of the British Empire,
which sounds giving very far. There's a few different ones,
so there's like Commander of the British Empire or order.
But I got a member, yeah, which I think is
the lowest one. So but yeah, I'm I'll take whatever
I can get.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Still giving much better than everyone else.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
That's what's giving delivered the entire country at Conwealth Medal,
because that's what happens when you are the one that
secures They're like, oh, well, let's just give us something.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Gotta we got to we've got to pay it back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We go hear the goods.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I think you kind of have to get nominated for it,
and you probably have to have a decent long career.
But yeah, you know, I haven't actually picked it up yet,
so I haven't actually been to get it from the
king yet. Because you have to go to like the
investigure days and they just haven't lined up with my
schedule of being out here in Sydney. So I'm hoping
this Christmas is when I'll actually.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Pick it up.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But I just took it on my Instagram name straight away.
Obviously I haven't got it, but I need to go
and see the King.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
You've got to make sure that if they have to
call you at an airport for being late, they have
to say mb at the end. Whenever they're like doctor someone,
I'm like, well that would be nice, wouldn't it. You've
got to be out of launch MBA because that's actually
even more impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But you're like, oh, got to catch up with the King.
It just hasn't lined We have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Different we have different like Christmas holidays planned, Helen.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna see slightly.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're meeting up with Charlie with respect and we we
who knows, we'll just be working through.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I guess yeah, just always that things things work. But
tell us a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Obviously we've discussed the fact that you are a much
love English star of netball. How do you find playing
in England as opposed to playing in Australia, Because we
are very proud of the fact that super netbul is
the greatest domestic competition in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
How do you find it here? What's the difference?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Honestly, I think playing for England and playing for the
Swifts out here kind of they compare quite well in
terms of crowds and in terms of noise. Yeah, I
think whenever you play internationally it's always a huge deal.
There's a big buzz, you're selling out arenas, and then
the same can be said for super Netball. So to
be honest, it's they're both great. I think the league
out here is definitely, you know, ahead of the league
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in the UK. And yeah, that's just in terms of
crowd size, you know, the amount of times that you
train per week. It's probably more fully professional over here.
But yeah, I've got a soft spot for both places.
I think Sydney and Manchester are probably my two favorite
places to play. But yeah, I think there's always always
amazing crowds. But super Netball, I think domestically is definitely
the best in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Sydney Manchester slightly different in terms of climate. I mean geographically, yes,
but maybe the climate. How how have you taken to
Sydney life.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Would you say, well, I've been here for ten years,
so I'd say pretty well, yeah, I love it out
here that the lifestyle is so good.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I'm a very active, outdoorsy kind of person.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Love the beach, love good food, good coffee is a
big thing. So yeah, as soon as I got out here,
I was like, oh, I think I'm going to like
this place, and yeah, I just haven't left. But I
also feel like I get kind of the best of
both worlds. Because I represent England, I kind of have
to go home, yeah every year, so I get to
see my family. I always have Christmas at home, so
it's never really felt like I've fully isolated myself from England,
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which I love because I get, you know, snowy Christmases
and I get to go and you know, see my family.
So yeah, it's kind of felt like I've got the
best of both worlds. Don't want to sound like ham Montana,
but yeah, there it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There, it is.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Well, you do mention you've been here for ten years,
so that means that we're going to claim you, like
you can play for the Roses as much as you want,
but you know you're Aussie.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now, what is the thing that.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
When you do go back for those beautiful white Christmases
that you do that your parents or your family go,
my god, you're soul Australian. Like, is there things that
you've You've mentioned that you love coffee. That's a very
Australian thing. Are there things that have changed about you
in that time that they go, ohh take that from
down Under.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There's only one coffee shop in my town that I
will go to, and it's it's the only one that
I think has good coffee. There's probably like ten that
my family would go to, but it's the only one
I'll go to because I'm like, no, this one tastes right.
The other ones don't taste right or they don't I
don't know. It's just like they don't use the right milk,
and I'm just like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Just need the right one of us, of us, That's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But it is.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
It is true, like the coffee out here is so
good you get you just get used to it. And
to be fair that there's some great places in Manchester
in London and there's loads of nice places, but I
think that the standard rural coffee is much better in
Australia than it is in the UK. So I think
I've become quite picky. Yeah, but you also said you're
claiming us. I'm actually applying for my citizenship, so technically
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will be Australian. Said, so I'm a permanent resident right now,
but I'm applying for my citizenship. I won't be playing
for Australia.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Come surely shine bright like a diamond.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
And also also just an Order of Australia. Yeah, you've
already got an MB.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can am.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, I mean, what are they Order of Australian Metal.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, you're right, You're right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You can collect like, you can actually collect. And I
only say this.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
The only reason is my my grandpa's an OB and
an o AM, so you can do both.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Oh my god, you're collecting finish?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah? Why are we the same person?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Helen?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That was Are we best friends? Tell me we just
became best friends.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
You're the only two people on the planet that I
think would have picked that up from what was being said.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I might go, but we won't go. Let's talk
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
You're you're out injured at the moment, which is devastating
for the swifts and for the y A Nipple community.
But tell us a little bit about how the injury
is going, because it is tough when you just want
to be out there and be playing.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, it's going well, and you know, it's actually the
first time I've ever had at season kind of disrupting
injury like this in this nature and you know, having
it you know, take me out for so long, which
is tough. And yeah, it's a back injury, which is
kind of annoying because it kind of you have to
let it rest for a good while. You can't really
do that much rehab and gym work or anything else
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because it just agrees it. So, to be honest, for
the last three or four weeks, I've kind of just
been trying to make myself busy. But yeah, I'm starting
to kind of do my rehab now, get in the
pool and do a lot more stuff, which is great
because i think the first the first intural kind of
three weeks you just need to let it settle and
kind of let the bone heal. But yeah, it's going good.
If anything, I'm just really bored, Like it's so boring
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going into training and watching everyone watching around and you're
kind of just sat there twiddling your thumbs a little bit.
And game days, I still love it, but it's just
a horrible experience to watch on the sideline and not
be able to impact and you have all of this
energy and adrenaline and you can't get it out.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
On the sideline, my heart rate is like one fifty.
I'm sweating buckets like it's not good because you live
every single pass and it feels like you're out there,
but you're not able to get out any energy. So
I'm there like munching on suites and like bouncing in
my chair and yeah, it's it's not fun, but yeah,
I'm happy to kind of help out the girls in
any way.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I kind of and be that supportive voice.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like to give a little bit of a comparison there,
and you know, I don't want exact numbers, but just
a guess to it. What would you say your heart
rate is when you're lining up to take a goal.
You're shot at goal because you know what I mean,
because you make it look effortless.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
It kind of depends on how much you've done prior
to getting into position. But yeah, our heards would be
pretty high for the full sixty minutes in a netballs
you know, quite NonStop kind of game. But honestly, before
I take a shot, I tend to kind of breathe
a little bit and try and take a moment to
kind of reduce heart rates. I think that helps. But
I would absolutely say, my heart it's higher watching one
of my teammates to take a shit on the bench
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then it would be me being on the court because
you can't control it, and it just, yeah, everything is
so important, especially with the way our season's gone. It
feels like every pass, every shot is so important. So yeah,
I'm a bit of a dress ball I think on
the sideline.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I mean, we need to lobby for Netbull to allow
aura rings so we can get to the bottom of this.
I mean that you've got to You've gotta chop your nails.
You know, a lot of where a ring out there.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I don't know that that's I don't know that's the
way forward, but we might. We might find out.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
But with netble and we are. I'm someone that played
netball four nights a week growing up. It was my passion.
It was where I made friends, it was where I
found it, And I think netball can give and does
give community just so many young girls and especially we've
seen such a spike now and men as well. And
it's the sport that women's still play socially as well.
It's so important to the fabric of women being engaged
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in sport in this country. But we have been lagging
for such a long time in the opportunities but also
in the financial support that we give to women's players.
And you just said, you know, playing for the Swifts
actually aligns with this sort of training that you do
when you represent your country. That's level of professionalism that
is needed to keep up. We do have a situation
where at the moment Super netball players do not know
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what they are going to get paid next season or
what their contracts are going to look like because we're
waiting for the TV deal to land. It has happened,
so it's going to be back on free to wear.
But it baffles me that we have the best players
in the world in a domestic league that unfortunately are
put in this situation because of the way that the
sport's being managed that they can't have security for their lives.
(10:29):
And I'm the one putting my hand up you don't
have to say it. It's not good enough. It's not
good enough yet. Is this something that and again, over
your ten years of being in Australia you would have
been through every iteration and growth of netball. Is this
something that frustrates you when you go, we're the best
at what we do where selling out stadiums?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Can the other shoe just drop?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Absolutely, I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Obviously that the new TV deal that's coming in is
super exciting, and you know, I think being on free
to air is really cool, but it kind of always
feels and we've had this situation before where it just
took a long time to give clarity to the players
and it just seemed to I don't know whether it
seemed like it wasn't a priority, but it just seemed
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like it took a long time to find a decision
that could be then related to the players. And in
the meantime, you know, girls are trying to get houses,
trying to get mortgages there, yeah, trying to live day
to day. You know, we had a situation a few
years back where we were, you know, bargaining for the
players agreement, and I think players went unpaid for two
months and it was just something that we actually put
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our feet in the sand and stood for something because
it was worth it and we actually got a good,
good result out of that. But I don't think it
should take you know, players not having paychecks to get
points across. And I do think that the landscape is
changing and it's working better, and I think the relationship
between our Players Association and Netble Australia, I think is
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getting a lot better. And yeah, hopefully this TV deal
can be you know, related to the players pretty quickly.
I do understand that it's it's very complex when you
change from uh, you know, one TV rights to another,
but yeah, I think I would just love if it
could be dealt with quickly and yeah, as professionally as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Does it when all of this is happening, you know,
off court hill and I mean you feature quite predominantly
because of who you are, But does it affect the
mood of the playing group? Like, I know, you guys
are super professional and all of that, but you're also
human at the end of the day, and so it
does it does that?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Does that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Sometimes?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
It definitely can do. I think for this this most
recent TV deal. It hasn't just because there hasn't. There
hasn't really been enough to impact us on the day
to day for you to think about it too much.
I mean, obviously we'd love to have more clarity, but
I think the signing period hasn't really started yet. There's
you know, there's conversations that haven't really started to happen.
I think a few years ago, when we were doing
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you know, kind of the big it turned into a
bit of a fight, to be honest, but we were
doing a big bargaining that definitely was affecting players, and
you know, players were being asked to stand together and
not receive a paycheck and not sign a particular deal
because we didn't agree with it. And yeah, that definitely
affects you. It affects you as a nutball player, but
(13:23):
just as a human trying to live their life. It
definitely can have a massive impact. I think you don't
need to be an athlete to want to have a
bit of job security and.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Want to know where your paycheck's going to come from.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So yeah, I think it definitely has an impact. This
most recent one, I think isn't too bad. I think
people are maybe involved in the conversations, it's probably quite stressful.
But yeah, I think hopefully we can get it kind
of sorted out and ironed out before it becomes a
bit of a stress for the players.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
And I think it is this scenario, well I know
it is a scenario with this deal that it's actually
a little bit less than what the deal was, but
when Nitball was behind a paywall, but we know that
we need people to see and watch these games, to
fall in love with it and what those viewing eyes
will do for sponsors. So there is potentially going to
be a bit of a feeling of, you know, one
step forward, two steps back, but then to take five
steps forward in terms of awareness. And I think that's
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something that you know, Australians first and foremost we love winning,
oh yeah, and we have some of the best players
in the but also when you look at the final series,
the super Netball Final series last year, you couldn't script it,
Like it's some of the most dramatic television in the world.
And if you want to be in a crowd where
every single person has merch, has a favorite player, is
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fully engaged, like there's some sports where you're like, yeah,
you'll go and there might be five thousand people there,
but you know they're sort of wandering along.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
In netball, it is it is war to get in the.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Line to get any piece of merchandise. I mean we
talk about Infinity stones, Helen us trying to get like
a bloody hat all I want.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Again, something that I found really interesting, and again through
speaking to Joe Wesson, is that these players and especially
I know that Helen, your badgers and all all of
your merch that has your face on it would be
so popular. You're signing these things and they're produced, but
the players are not receiving a cut of that yet.
So I think it's things like this that sort of
the players sit back and go, well, if it's if
it's us that's bringing it to the table, and if
(15:12):
it's us that are going out there and promoting the game,
we just want to fear cut of.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
And you know that was that was the thing that
was kind of being argued about a few years ago
about the revenue share model. And I think, you know,
Netbull was one of the only sports in Australia that
didn't kind of use some form of revenue share where
it's you know, however much the spot makes the players
take a cut. So yeah, that was that was really
important for us. And I think it wasn't the full
model that you would want, and it's not the end product,
(15:39):
but I think it was a good step and yeah,
someone like Joe fought really hard for that on our behalf,
And yeah, it's it's one step of many, I think
to get us to where we need to be in
terms of getting paid. But yeah, I think we see
so many girls wearing the kit and wanting our signatures
and getting all of this, but the players aren't taking
cut of that, and the players are the product. So yeah,
(16:01):
it's difficult sometimes to see, but I think we are
moving in the right direction slowly.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, and the game is just moving in the right direction.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I mean, at the end of the day, sold out,
just regular season games where you literally can't get a ticket,
and the atmosphere like you build it and they will come.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Netple's Shelly, it's built. It's built.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
We just need and people like Whoopee Goldberg see footage
of the.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Game and go what is I will have this?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Do you remember the moment where the Whoopee went, oh yeah,
I'm on board, And how it all felt.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I do, yeah, and I think anyone. I always say
this to people, as say, if you don't know anything
about netball, just go to a live game, like a
good quality a super netball game, a finals game, and an
international game. Go to a live game, watch it live,
and just see how fast it is, how ferocious. How
people just have this opinion that it's non contact and
it's pivot and it's the schoolgirl game. And I think
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when you go and actually watch it, there are bodies
on the line. You know, people are flying everywhere, the
sweat everywhere, like it's incredibly fast, Like some of the
athletes are just insane, And I think people don't really
realize that or respect that. And you know, for for myself,
I've kind of I've been around a lot of different
sports and I love I love sport, and I have
friends in different codes, and I can say without a
(17:16):
doubt that netball is up there with the most professional
athletes you've ever met in your life. You know, they
the way they approach gym, the way they approach nutrition, sleep, everything,
even you know, the off court antics. I mean, you
very rarely hear of a netball player getting into trouble
it's so true. And the professionalism standards and levels is
so so high in netball, and I think it does
(17:38):
reflect the product that you see on your TV. We
just want people to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's also one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's also I would say competition at junior level.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think, well this is and I would say and
I mean and I mean this with absolute love that
netball itself, especially if you get to the super NETBW level,
it's a cohort of type A personalities, right, Like you
are the highest of the high achievers that that is
usually they studying something.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, they're actually that MBS.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, you're all of this happening, you know, Helen,
I don't know if you know this, but Queen Liz,
friend of the Pod, friend of ours, she has always
said that she's able to pick what netball position a
person would be based on their personality because they are
intrinsically linked.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
You are a shooter. Jelmy was a shooter.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I was a gry that's not muscled out, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
All elbows.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You're like hitting people and people want to say it's
not physical.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
You should watch anyone try to defend on Fellonimbu. Do
you tell me it's physical game.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
How would you describe your personality Helen on court?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
On court?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
It's probably very different to of course, I think on court,
I mean quite fasty, quite quite competitive. I mean I
am a shooter, so I mean traditionally, I think we
like the glory, we like the attention.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We love to score the goals.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I mean, any shoot we will tell you they like it.
They like the attention, they like to score the goals.
I mean there's always a lot of pressure, and you
know that's part of the game, and it can be
a really isolating and difficult position and it can be
really tough. But we also chose this position, and we
know for yeah, a full fact, that the shooters get
a lot of attension and we enjoy it. We like
(19:25):
having the ball in our hands and the game on
the line, and yeah, I think that's that's a good
thing and it's something to embrace.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
With your resting heart.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right of twelve of twelve in the circle that's you.
So then talked me through, talk me through your reactions
to that moment, that viral moment of you singing to
Lizzo on court, Like, was that were you aware that
that was happening at the time, or did you just
go into like the zen space and you were just like,
I'm in my happy zone.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
No, So so many people have said to me, were
you just like miming it and you were downcing. I
was like, no, it was blasting in the arena and
it was I think it was before like we went
out for the second quarter or third quarter, so we
were like, there was nothing happening. We were just waiting
for the whistle and the music was blasting and the
whole arena was singing and dancing. And I think for
me personally, I've always enjoyed moments that kind of take
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me out of the game for a few seconds to
kind of relax, and yeah, I think just lower the
heart rate, have a bit of fun, and then switch
back into game mode, because I think it can be
quite hard to sustain, you know, that level of focus.
And I think for me, I've always enjoyed kind of
playing with the crowd and.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Being be being happy.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And I think when I'm smiling and having fun, I
think I played my best, my best netball, but I
did not know I was being filmed. I thought I
was just a bit of fun. And before this before
this happened, I was I was turned around to my goal.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Shoot.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it might have been Ellen a card well
at the time, and we were dancing kind of together.
And then I turned back around and go up to
think and it just looks like I'm dancing on my
own like a loser. But yeah, no, I didn't. I
didn't know it was being filmed. Yeah it did. It went,
It went viral annoyingly though I didn't have the right,
like I didn't post the video, and I think it
did some crez easy numbers on TikTok. I would have
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got paid like a good amount of money.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
If it's just the tragedy, actually, the tragedy, the tragedy
of today's economy, Yeah, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
This is why the algorithms can be tragic.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You know, you're just it's not going where it needs
to go.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Did you wake up? And just so, how do you do?
Speaker 6 (21:19):
You look at the dancing in your video and you're
like somebod who didn't think they were getting filmed.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's not bad awful, No, I don't. I don't know.
That's the thing. I don't even know the dance. That's
the thing. That I'm not doing the right I'm not like,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
A TikTok dancer, Like it's just pure vibe, like I'm
not I don't know. I know a kind of like
one or two moves, but I don't know what the
dance is.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So you can see that. I'm just kind of like,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Every time I look at it, I just cringe so
bad because it's not the right dance. It's not but
I was just, yeah, I was feeling it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And the beautiful thing about viral they never disappear. You'll
think it's gone, and then it was something someone also
reposted and you're getting You'll.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Be like, oh, there it is again. It just it
just keeps following me, this thing. But we love it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And again, as you said, it's it's the vibe. It's
the vibe, and you are such a vibe. And I think,
particularly for athletes, your life would have been about dedicating
yourself to netball. You just said, you've had your first
injury that's taken you out of the game or out
of a season for a lot. As long as what
you've had, we know that it's just so important that
you have other things in your life that you love.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We just met your beautiful cat, Roger, who I.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Don't know if he's floating around somewhere in the back
of the shop, but it's important.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
We're grabbing him. Roger.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Wait wait, Roger Dodger, I said, the feder is silent.
You've gone, Roger, I've gone.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Oh look, oh sorry, it's even a particularly attractive cat,
it is it Actually have people have children and think
they're attractive.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You actually have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I adopted him from the irs PA.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I saw him online. So I saw his picture. It
was kind of like being on Tinder.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So I was like an animal and I was like,
oh no, no, no, but no, I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
But I saw Roger and I was like, oh, he's
He reminded me of a cat that I had when
I was little. So yeah, it was so you just.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Give us more evidence to sign you up for the diamonds.
I'm so sorry. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, she's passing
the citizenship test.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
She also has Roger identifies as Australians. I mean that's
blood relative. You're fine.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What else what else do you like? Soee, you love
your coffee, you love your cat?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
What else do you do out of out of nipple
time that just lights you up.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I love my I love traveling. I'm a big traveler.
I love getting away on the weekends. I love I mean,
obviously I'm from Europe, but I love travel around Europe.
I'm sure lads of Aussies can relate to a euro summer.
But yeah, I love being adventurous. I love getting out.
I'm a farm girl from heart, so yeah, I grew
up on a farm, very rural in England, so I
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love animals, being outside, going on hikes.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I mean, I love all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And then yeah, I think with the girls that we've
got in Sydney, they kind of become like your sisters
because they're your support support system. So we love going
out for food, going to get drinks, like we still like,
love to have social lives outside of netball and and
kind of do things that that regular humans do. And
recently I've been on a bit of a cinema trend.
I've got like a cinema club with one of my teammates.
(24:16):
So we've watched like four films in the last like
three or four weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, immediately, what's been the best one project?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Mary was the best one that we went through. The
space one yet so good and Devil was proud of
to is the next on the on the list. I know,
I know, we've seen, we've seen, so we're excited about
that one. But yeah, I think we're pretty I'm pretty
normal in my in my interests. I love being out,
being active, being social, and I do a lot of
coaching as well. So I have my own coaching business
(24:42):
and do a lot of coaching the kids and do
all of that. So yeah, it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I did think that you and Georgie may have been
separated at birth until you said you love to hike.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
As I.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And here is where we partways.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Tap out, tap out from the hike.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But hey, I'll be there for the you know what
do they call it the apro ski at.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
The bottom of the mountain. I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You're doing great, babe, you're doing You're doing great.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You're doing great. Drag me up there. Yeah, I can
see it. I can see the view.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, apro hig that's what I need. Hey, well,
when you are in Australia, I mean, you know this,
the time difference can be a real real this is
a technical term bitch when it comes to trying to
keep up with things that you love over there, whether
that be family, whether that be football results. I know
that you're a huge Manchester United fan. How do you
(25:31):
keep the love alive?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
I mean, recently with them being injured, I've kind of
just been staying up till three am to watch the
game live because I don't really have to worry about
having a shocking day at training. So yeah, when I
when I if I was in training or if I
was in the season, still, yeah, i'd probably be fast asleep.
But you know, these days, I don't really have to
be on my one hundred percent game when I'm not training,
(25:56):
so yeah, sometimes I'll stay open and actually watch them live,
particularly now that we've just made the Champions League, very
exciting part of the season for us. But yeah, I've
always been a die hard footy fan man United fan,
and yeah, it can be difficult more so to catch
up with friends, family. It depends on kind of when
the clocks are as well. It makes it quite a
big difference. But yeah, I think just having a regular
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routine helps. I think I got into a routine of
every time I was driving to training at like seven am,
I'd call my mum, call my friends that was kind
of my time to call people in the car and
do the same on the way home from training, and yeah,
that kind of worked out pretty well. But yeah, I
think just being being intentional with it and having plans
kind of in place to do it, because I think
it can be really easy to drift apart from people
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and it's definitely something I never wanted to do. So
I still have my same group of eight friends from
school from you know, when we were eleven twelve, So
I've still got that WhatsApp group and it's still annoying
every day.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
There's probably about fifty notifications in.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
There, and yeah, but it's great and I think, yeah,
it's something that's been very autant to me. But I
do think I've been I've been lucky in the fact
that I get to go home quite a lot compared
to you know, other people who might move out to Australia.
So I do get to catch up and reconnect with people,
especially around Christmas, which yeah, I feel very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, don't connect with too many people because you've got
a date with the King, so you know, you can't
you can't be.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We can't be doing all the catch.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Ups, you know, and I need to on that.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I need to decide, so you can only take three
people with you, like into the room where the king is.
So no, It's so funny because when it instantly when
it got announced, my sister rang me.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
She's like, are you taking? Like that was how many?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
How many siblings do you have?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Okay, so I've got two siblings, but I've got your
parents still together, still alive, so they definitely are getting
the they have to go tick. But my grandma like
loves it and like loves loves the Royal generation love
the royals, would love to go and see the king,
like would just have the best time. And I just
feel like my sister hasn't done enough to to.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Earn the right.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I'm trying to like let her down gently.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'm like, we can go and.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Stand like a nice hotel and.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We can go to a pub called the Royal Im Like.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
No, we're going to turn it into like this weekend.
I was like, we can go and have like a
nice weekend and we'll do afternoon tea and we'll do
all this nice stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But then like, you can't come with us.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I live close to Royal Randwick. The King's been there once. Yes,
that will do we go.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
See.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
This is where I'm sick in the head because I'd
be like, look, there's one spot between all of you.
You have a data lobby who bring the best thing.
Mum and Dad are coming here, including you Nan, who's
bringing the best of the tables.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you're right in.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
That you're our like NaN's generation. There's a different level
of love.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
They love the Royal.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Your guest list is sound. Your guest list is sound.
I have no notes, like you have to take your
parents and your grandma like.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's just that's just what it is. They would love
it like that they're going to do.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But no fight to the death between the siblings.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
No, I know, yeah, yeah, they just have to.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
She's lovely.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I think I'm set. Yeah, I know it should be.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Maybe you can ask Charles and be like, look, I've
left it long enough. Have I accrued another? Plus it's
been that.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Long him to be honest, I'll be like, hello, but
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You have to you have to be quite formal and
you have to wear that faster our heart like it's
very very formal obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You've got to wear a fascinator.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Okay, wear fed piece like as if you're at like
a fancy wedding and like a fascinator or a hat
or something, so.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
You could you could wear the cowgirl hat, bring it back,
Bring it back, bring the cow girl Hannah Montana hat
from your thirtieth Oh my, come on.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Charles might like it, but I don't think that's appropriate.
I enjoyed wearing that very much, but I think I
need a different kind of hat.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Miley would do it, That's what I'm saying. Miley would
do it.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No one, We're so excited for you.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What a time? When can we actually get you back
on though? Like, do you know do we know this
this back injury? I know it's a wait and see.
Is there a rough estimate?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's so it's kind of dependent. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I mean, we're hopeful I can get back by the
end of the season and then Commonloft games, and that's
definitely the aim, but it's kind of dependent on how
it heals and I have to kind of get it
re scammed to then kind of you know, that dictates
how my rehab goes and how how the return goes. So, yeah,
fingers crossed. It's it's looking good and I'm feeling quite good.
I'm not in heaps of pain and I'm kind of
moving around well. But it's almost one of those more
(30:29):
preventative measures that it could get a lot worse if, yeah, if.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You do the wrong things.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So yeah, fingers crossed back by end of season, common
off games, and yeah, that's that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You mentioned the com games.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We have a track record on this podcast of wishing
people well until they come up against our team. So
we wish you very well for the supernep Ball season,
but we really hope that comecong games for whatever reason,
you're not ready.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Because we don't need we don't need all make clutch
out there.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, we don't need the clutch play as.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Well, know comm games. Watching the Diamonds like, it's it's
a different level of emotion.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Love you not that much.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I'm used to that.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I'm out here ten years and I've had so many
people say like, oh, I love you, like I love
watching you play, like unless like unless you're playing for Australia,
then I'll boo your name and I'm just like that's fair,
Like I get it.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I'm a sports fun as well, Like I understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Yeah, she's a sports fan. She's a good sport and
we love you. We love Roger. Thank you so much
for coming on. If your dog, she's going to be
back up in Sydney, so I have to get you
in real time in studio.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We'd love that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I would love that. I feel like we've got we've got.
I've got a cinema club I got to go to like,
I got so many, I've got so much on.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
She's also available when you're driving.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Sorry, I was like, hold your beer, I could be
plus one come man honorary houseby.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I feel like it's the roll of your ball for
she will.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
She'd wear the animal turn a hat just to take
attention away so that you don't have to feel nervous
because you can be like love you to meet each other.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Sorry about the don't know about it. I don't know
who brought her, No, we really don't.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Best of luck with your recovery. Thanks for all you do.
This has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for having me on.
This has been awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
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