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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, well, well we meet again, dear listener, on one
of the greatest, the biggest, the most traumatic weeks of
the calendar year. That is what happens when a marine's
team loses. Anyway, we're going to get into that, but
before we get there, before we get there, welcome to
(00:26):
two good sports and sports news told differently. I'm Georgia Dunny.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Who's wearing black everyone because she's in mourning, in mourning
of the murder that happened last night, because it.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was theirs to win. George and Or I must say
when we recorded last week and you were like, I
mean good, thing is a three game series, I'm like,
I haven't lost yet.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And the premonition that Cleary would potentially get space and.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Cost you the win feels like an attack.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Are you okay? And can we discuss? Can we discuss Ponga?
And it was where are you at? You get let's
do it as a main chat. We'll hold hold sport
main chat. Because I have there's layers. There's layers to this.
I have a brief of evidence. I've not slept, so
(01:15):
I will present the case. Call me el Woods like,
it's hard, okay, you just need a bit of passion
and eyes and I will be delivering that very very
shortly before we get there. Though good sport, bad sports,
tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You kick it off.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I have a double whammy of bad sports.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I also have a bad sport.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Could I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Start with Danil Medvedev, who is one of the all
time great is if it's such thing to be a
good bad sport?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I just the sourness when anything doesn't go his way
and his ability to blame anything else that the French
opens on right now. This is his quote, clay is
the worst surface for me. But if you want to
be in the dirt like a dog, I don't judge.
That's an actual quote, as if to be like, well,
(02:09):
if this is your thing, Alcoraz, you can have it
your dog, but I don't judge. And better yet, it's
been so hot in France at the moment, and his
partner has literally said like, oh, because now you can
have that communication.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
She's like you need to calm down, and he's like, oh,
calm down. When I hit him?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Man again, immaculate, He's immaculate.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Is there is there anything more infuriating than having your
partner who you would die Forel, who's like the love
of your life, who you would actually step in front
of a moving bus for right, give you advice I
especially in an athletic sense, like when Robert and I
(02:54):
just go to the gym together and he tries to
tell me how to do a squat. I even if
he's right, yeah, the look I give him, it's a
wonder he's alive.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
This is I will not, in any way, shape or
form be coached by Kane, who literally does because the
second that he tried to correct me, even though he'd
be infinitely more educated to do shit, I'd be like,
you wanna you want to go? I'm horrendous. It's not
my strong suit taking feed.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Even if even if everything they say is a factly
the best advice ever, I'd be like, Oh, we're gonna
man explain, Okay, sure, yeah, it's working out.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Actually I yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
While was still on the French open Namia Saka's kids
yay or.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A look, I'm a yay, I'm a ya. Because anything
that we get talking about tennis, anything that you know
she's and not necessarily I get it. Some people don't
like it because it is taking attention away from the
actual game of tennis.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Previously, we've seen umbrellas. It's a lot, it's giving met
gala for the court. But she's the only one that
got the theme.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Why can't we have drama? Why can't we have drama?
And if you can do it like Naomi Yasaka do it, well,
you can't do you know what I mean? Like people
are entertaining it. It's like, yeah, I want to wear this.
I want to wear a ball gown. Hey ball kid,
just like hold my train as she like drags it
through to quote Daniel the clay, the dirt, the dogs
are in right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So good and one more.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I can't believe how many visa is coming to me.
But I was just thinking about it. Nike have done
one hundred and fifty million dollar US deal with Yanick Sinner, Right,
not the best peed of branding that we seen with
Yanick Sinner because Gucci having him hold a tennis ball
that was in fact an apple saying the original Sinner
in a slow pan. Oh it was chef's kiss. He
is the original Gucci, nothing could be. And the fact
(04:40):
that it like loosely infers that he's a sinner because
he did drugs fantastic and and what I want to
reference though here is the Nike deal. So they posted
to their social media this incredible shot of him where
he may as well has had the swosh on his head.
There's Nike everywhere, okay, and it's essentially like, well, yes,
you can win every thing, because he's winning everything. But
(05:02):
what the Internet had a meltdown about the caption is
clearly written by AI.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh no, they got caught out. What did it say?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Just all the dashes, all the punctuation, all the dashes.
So they've spent millions of dollars on this campaign only
to have the top comment be like, bro, the AI
on this is wild?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh my god. No, people still want people to write things.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, we're not ready.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Just check just check your work. Remember that was like
going back to prime. Just just check your work. That's it.
That's all we're asking.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're the only person I know that has correct enough
grammar to be mistaken for AI, and you're an author.
There's no one else that puts commas in text. It's
like me, Comma two, You're immaculate.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're immaculate, all.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, And one last one, one last one, because I
know I'm just coming at you with four thousand.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It could be maybe we have the same because I
have a bad sport and involves the French Open. Is
it the same?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
No, you go, you go. It's stay on game while we're.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Still on tennis. While we're still on tennis. We're not
leaving roll on Garross just yet. I have I don't
know if you've seen this, sheell me, but one of
our faiths arena Sablinka. Oh, I'm also a real big
fan of diamonds. Okay, So I love arena. I love diamonds.
The woman is dripping in it. And when I say dripping,
(06:22):
I mean hundred thousands of dollars worth of dripping diamonds
on the court. You talk about Naomir sarka sparkling arena,
She is a diamond. She is a diamond, right Q.
She wins a game, she goes through to the press conference,
all of the journals are there, and a journalist decides to.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Ask this, do you see in any way how that
could be seen as possibly hypocritical?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
I don't really see how it can be possible.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Making maybe a comparison between you calling for extra prize
money and then wearing the very expensive diamonds.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
It's not about me at all. It's just fighting for
a player, lower rank players who's really struggling to survive.
Everyone knows that I'm okay. It's just that we're fighting
for a fair percentage for the lower rank players, players
coming back after injuries, next generation to be more comfortable.
So it's not about me.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Would you like to go first, I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'll go first. Just to give some extra context there,
so the journalist was asking about whether or not it
was hypocritical for arena to be dripping in the two
thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of diamonds
when herself and also Yah Next Sinner, mister original Sin,
they have been quite vocal about wanting the prize money
or the revenue that the players can split at the
(07:42):
French Open in particular, to be changed. So if you
win the French Open or whatever the prize money is,
I think it's only about fifteen percent of the overall
revenue amasses to that, so they're trying to get that
lifted to twenty two percent. So the journalist there was asking,
is it hypocritical you're asking for more money, but you
can obviously afford it, because you've got seventy eight thousand
diamonds on you.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
No one asked Yannick when he decides to use a
Gucci bag to chuck his socks in if that was
hip a critical no one said to our mate the joker,
when he has been the one pioneering this. But don't
you think that you're wealthy enough? Why do women hate women?
(08:25):
Why was that always going to be a female journal?
And also your genius? She was probably loaned it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I don't think she shelled out for that, And
if she had, what's it got to do with it?
Shut up?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, oh shut up? And also look a generous reading
of that is and you know, you and I've both
been in those rooms, jelly, And it's like, if her
publication or wherever she was from just needs to get sick,
ask her about this. You need to ask her about this.
So whether or not she actually wanted to personally, that's
a hard position to be in. But let's just take
it at face value. She asked the question, and I
(09:00):
with you, no male player is ever put in that
position like I mean, Nick Kurios Fanasi Kokanakas, I mean
they're different different again, different levels between.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Both were diamonds.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They've got diamonds everywhere as well. Is anyone ever asking them,
you know, do you think that you're maybe you should
give back some of that money because it seems like
you're doing okay, just pour on those like what are
we doing? What are we doing here? What do we do?
And I do think it was key because, as we've
talked about on this podcast before, with the likes of
Sam Stosa, for all of the younger tennis players or
the less established tennis players that are tennis players train stations,
(09:36):
it's yeah, it's really hard, really hard to make a living.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Nah, you can tell how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I just think when when women, when women have success,
other women for whatever reason, feel the need to be.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Like, but don't you think you could help the children
with that, let her live, let her live?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, it's like you can't be just one thing, right,
It's like we constantly tell women they have to be everything.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Doing this one thing. It's like okay, cool, but can
you wait on? And it's well, actually, I just I
just want to do this bit right now, Like what
are we doing? Why can't I just be this anyway,
another existential question for.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
We could unpack that for a long time. But one
more that I think needs an honorable mention. The good
sport bad sport that is happening between George Russell and
Kimmy Antonelli right now is theater because George Russell has
come into this season of F one and gone, finally
my time. Yeah, no, no, it's the infant's time, because
(10:33):
no matter what he does, Kimmi Antonelli keeps winning podiums
and it's just and I think you can pinpoint the
exact moment his heart broke when Lewis Hamilton pok Kimmy
on his shoulder over the weekend and Toto's they're beaming
and they're both and it's infighting. It's for pir rules
all over again, because the next minute it's like, this
(10:55):
should be a sanction, this should't blah blah blah. I
just think George Russell, who's had to go for so
long a Maxi Stappan.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Been like as soon as things don't go his way,
he's tends to drop a lip.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You try and not drop a lip now because there's
a three year old that's beating you and you thought
this was your time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
My heart breaks through him.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's also someone that looks like a walking Gucci campaign.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
He's gonna say, if anyone's pouting, I mean, please make
it George Russell, because he is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Man, immaculate, immaculate, but.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Immaculate, immaculate. But you're so right, You're so right. And
this is why we love Formula one. This is why
we love it because of the drama, the drama, drama, drama.
I can't believe Antonelli. He's obviously a freak. He's a
generational talent, potentially like he's insanely good. But I'm with you,
George is there being like, are you joke?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I've heard the analysis that essentially Lewis Hamilton is Willfussa
and George Russell is Scar and is like, finally, now
is my time.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And Simba has come in and just started to claim it, and.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Literally Allevil Fussa has held up Simber and gone everything
the light touches, and Toto's there in the background going
there's my boy, there's my boy, and poor Scar is banished.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Poor George Russell.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No one is saying, poor George Russell because everyone is
so happy for Kimmy, because you can't not be.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He's delightful, He's absolutely delightful.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And meanwhile they're just off the podium being like, well
we looked a bit dumb, didn't we. Everyone else decided
to not go wet weather tires, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I don't know why I became British.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But badly channeling George there.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
There's so much happening there that I don't know if
anyone followed me, but I I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, I love it. I love it, I love it.
I love it. My god, we covered some ground we covered.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thank you for listening to a sports I'm just kidding.
Our main chats coming up after this.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
M Swile got sad, heavy contact. He threw himself into this.
Well it's a head class.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well it is calling there as well.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's a.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Distinguished members of the jury. During Game one, State of
Origin New South Wales up against Queensland, there was a
game altering, changing and hell, I'm going to say it
objectively winning moment that happened in the fifty seventh minute
(13:40):
when Kaylen Ponger decided for whatever reason, to make one
of the stupidest decisions and tackle New South Wales winger
Cola into Next Tuesday Coler, imagine this, Jellmy sprinting, renting
(14:00):
down the sideline, heading towards the Queensland try line. It
doesn't look like for anything, he's going to score because
he was already wrapped up in a tackle, already wrapped
up in a tackle. And then the fullback, Queensland fullback
Kaylen Ponger, starts. The only word to describe this is.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And it's like Usain Bolt.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We've got a lot of pace coming at Cola tackles
the man. We're unsure at the time. Is it a
shoulder charge, is it a head clash? What's going on?
All we know is Cola is on the ground, grabbing
out his head Ponger is also on the ground, grabbing
out his head gear. There's been a gigantic collision. The
(14:43):
stadium I think shook. My launde room shook. So I
can only imagine what was happening at the actual ground.
Then we see some replays, We see some replays and
it becomes clear, becomes clear people of the court that
it was a head clash. I will get to my evidence,
(15:07):
but we're just laying the foundations here. There was a
head clash between Kayl and Ponger and Cola, the New
South Wales's winger. Anyway, that's not how the referee, Ashley
Klein deemed or saw it. He decided that it was
a shoulder charge to the head, high contact with the
head that is an immediate sendoff in rugby league.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And this is actually client going against what's the point
of having the bunker?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, yes, it's so fascinating that you say this, Jelmy, Yes,
because actually, well let's let's listen to Ashley Klein here.
But what I think on the broadcast this is alluding
to is that the bunker is potentially suggesting that there
should be a sin bin, and Ashley Klein is very
adamant that no, there has been shoulder contact with the
head that is a sendoff. So Cola has come off
(15:48):
the field and increasingly so the condition of the player
who's on the receiving end of day is kis.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I know we all say, but this isn't illegal play, Taylor.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I mean the record going to get money? Am I
right in saying it's head on head now?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Or if it's some shoulder cuts, I think it's hit on.
This is a big call, like ten in the bin.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm all for ten in the bin.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I thinks the shoulder charges makes correct contact to the head.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Junior.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Wow, I'm trouble.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Now, Jill me.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I do believe it's important here to just emphasize underline
highlights put up on a billboard, just how pivotal this
moment was in the game, because do you know what
happened after that? At that time, fifty seven minutes on
the clock, Ponger gets sent his marching orders. I immediately
(16:42):
not great at mass, but I look at the clock
and I go fifty seven take that away from eighty
twenty three. That's twenty three minutes of football that Queensland
has twelve members and New South Wales has thirteen, and
they also have Nathan Cleary, so basically they have twenty
three players on the ground and Queensland has And I thought, God,
it's not looking. Grain, It's not looking. Queensland was up
(17:04):
twenty to six when Ponger gets sent off, ends up
losing the game twenty two points to twenty.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
To be fair, considering they were a man down, they
held on exceptionally well and I do laugh that after
the match, James Tedesco, who is the raigning Dalia medalist
so technically the league's best and fairest, may have said
about eight times in one interview, anyone who plays with
Nathan Cleary knows that he's the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was like he had a tick. He just kept
saying it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
He's like, he is the best player in the league.
He's the best player in the league. And I'm like, oh, George,
because you knew.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You knew, I knew, I knew that that was going
to happen. But what James Tedesco was trying to avoid
saying was that actually Kaylen Ponger should have been awarded
Man of the Match for winning the game for New
South Wales with that absolute brain explosion that saw him
pummel Cohler.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He's one of yours.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Though you love him, oh, I love him. I love him,
I love him, I love him for many many reasons.
But this was dumb. This was just dumb. It was
an absolute brain fade. He did not need to go
into that tackle that hard. Let's let's confirm that right now,
which I think is also where another one of mine.
Billy Slater, coach of the Morons, was coming from during
(18:14):
the post match press conference where he said he said this,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, we can argue all we want, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like, let's call them.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I haven't got any problems with it.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I've got a pretty big problem, Billy, pretty big problem, okay,
because if we go frame by frame, If we go
frame by frame technically, technically, don't come at me technically.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We'll get a projector out for the court. Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's a head clash. It's a head clash. I've zoomed in,
I've gone frame by frame. It's not a good tackle.
It's not a good looking tackle. It's a terrible tackles technically,
not a great tackle. It isn't a shoulder to the head.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What are your cots on the fact that the next
game is at the mcg.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well was essentially a home a home game for Queensland,
although the last time, or one of the last times
that they played there, I was there and Queensland got brutalized.
I remember South Wales. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I do remember that you weren't well.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
We could not have played worse could not have played worse.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
The good thing is you now know where the lights
are at the MCG to turn them off. You need
to everybody go home. It is It is amazing football
though it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh look, look people of the court. Before I rest
my case, you may be able to tell. But I
think it wasn't a sendoff.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Maybe I do.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I do think it. I do think it was a
sin bin for sure. But I also I also new
South Wales yep, well done, you won. You should have won.
You know, they actually should have been in Queensland a
lot by the time it was like they were down
a man and the amount of chances that they had,
they should have won by twelve. It shouldn't have come
down to that last minute play with James Dedesco jumping
over the top of Hammer off a naight thank Clary
(19:55):
perfectly placed kick. Do you know what I mean? Like
that just shouldn't those moments shouldn't really have I should
have been the game when it should have already been sealed.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But but, but, but but do you think Ashley Klein
now needs to be in like witness protection because genuinely,
an entire state is mad.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It is but I honestly do think that the camps
are split because it's not a good time by a
border of states. Yes, but there would be some Queensland.
I think there's queensland is out there that can that
can understand it, so that on this but on this podcast,
you know, I was so off Joseph sewer Ley when
he had the shoulder shoulder charge to the face of
(20:35):
Reesel so.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Much so you drove him out of the coat eight minute.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, exactly, He's placed rope union. So I under I
understand that. But I do not think I have ever
watched a game where a team deserved to win an
Origin game less than New South Wales. Than New South Wales,
they did everything in their power to lose that game.
(21:00):
They dropped so much ball, they were abysmal. When it
was thirteen on thirteen, Queensland had all of the possession,
I understand, but they utilized it. We held onto the
ball and we converted that into points twenty zerol twenty
to six. Then we go down a player and of course, yes,
I hear you. You know New South I still had
to come back from that. They still had to score.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Okay, it's fine, did you miss Reese Walsh.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I was thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I thought I was just gonna say I was thinking
about it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, I am always he does live rent free in
my mind. I was thinking about this because I did
have a moment. And look, I'm not saying it's a
good one, Guys. I sometimes have toxic traits where I go, God,
if we had race, maybe we would have won because
he wouldn't have done that. But then I'm like, well,
Reeswold could have done that, stupid tak you like, you know,
would have, could have should have. There's no way when
(21:53):
we went a player down, There's there was no way
that anyone on that field could have overturned that result.
That well just has too much talent. And I will
give credit where credits due. Nathan Cleary.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He's pretty good. He's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You were. Eventually the player of the match should have
again been Kaylen Ponger, but it was Nathan Cleary. The
forty twenty that he pulled off before a new South
Wales try. I just it was unbelievable. Those are the
those are the big moments. It's those little moments that
he does and then he scores a try and then
he puts up the kick for James Tedesco to you know,
score the match winner. He is such a complete footballer
(22:30):
that as soon as you give an advantage of a
man down, there's just it was.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
It was sealed.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It was sealed from the fifty seventh minute that New
South Wales was going to win that game.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
If you keep all men all men on deck for
the next two games, are you confident you'll take out
the series?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I actually am far more so.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I did not think that, Yeah, you were not.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I wasn't confident. The concept of it being twenty kneel
down so early on I had that was amazing to
me and I credit where credits due?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Again.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I was one of the people that wasn't sure about
Sam Walker in the harves being chosen.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Respectfully, he weighs less than me, zipping wet, you know,
and so I was like, is he going to be
able to handle Origin? And he it was such a
fantastic debut. As soon as he had that tryasis for
our first tribe the night, I was like, okay, well
I'm an idiot welcome. So yeah, he was. He was
incredible And again, credit where more credits due? James Dedesco,
(23:23):
who I thought wasn't a great inclusion for New South Wales,
ends up with the ultimate moment of the football gods
shining on, shining on him and delivering him that that
match winter. I think we can win it. I think
we can win it now because New South Wales was
a shamble at the start of that. Unfortunately they know
that they are a shamble and they are and they won.
They won. They won in spite of that.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Are you going to the MCG game?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I will be overseas so I will be watching somewhere
in the ethert a terrible time zone. I am sure a.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
True moron would never would never.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I wonder if if we lose, do you reckon? You
can hear me scream over all of the yeah on
the other side of the world.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yes, yes, confident, confident that's the case.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I have a fun fact that I'm just going to
make an outrageous statement.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Okay, is it that I care? Maybe slightly too much.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My fun fact is that if he wants it as
much as he says that he wants it, I think
that it can be no one else but James Hurt
to be the next coach of so much so that
you have coaches like or former coaches like Adam Simpson
and Ken Hinckley saying the club needs to declare if
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they're interested in James.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Before any other candidates are going to put their hand up.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because in the wake of the sacking of Brad Scott,
which happened on Monday, which was very ill timed with
the passing of Neil Dana Herb, which we are going
to do a full episode on that, listeners believe that
that is absolutely coming your way. The immediate buzz around
the idea that James Hurd, who was second to Brad
in the running for the senior coach role when they
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went through that formal process was going to be the
prodigal son who returns and leads Essendon back into the
glory days was so loud it was deafening. And then
the man himself appeared on Footy Classified and said, in
no uncertain way, if the club want me, I would
love to be part of the process and if I
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am the best candidate, I will make Essendon great again.
I'm paraphrasing, but the terms were definitely I want to
make Essendon a great club again, and he acknowledged that
he was part of the scandal that saw the downfall
and he took his ownership of that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But it's giving.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
He doesn't want to coach anywhere else. He's not an
assistant anywhere. He just wants to coach Essendon. And he
talked about how emotionally devastating it is for him to
watch the club that he loves go through what they've
gone through. And if you want to talk about Aura Georgie,
he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh, like it is giving. I've been full of analogies
in this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Hep you know that girlfriend that just has a real
pining for someone that didn't work out, but they've never
truly moved on. And it comes to the point where
it's like, mate, you're not seeing anyone else because you
can't see beyond him. You need to give it another
crack so that you know. And the amount of people
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and fans of Essendon that I've heard in talkback radio
this week call and say, we simply need to give
another crack so it either works out or we move on,
because there's too much wounding there for anyone to move
on from James Hurd.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
He's too loved.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's giving. We were on a break is what it's giving.
It's giving we were on a brea.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Or I wasn't the only one to be part of
the doping scandal.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's not all on my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh, it's just I've seen the analogy that is carrying big.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Thank you, it's so carrying big Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like essentially Runner, we've just keeped the peloton away from him.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But quite genuinely, I am so interested as to how
this plays out because you've got one side of the camp,
the carry Wilson's of the world essentially saying this club
has a messiah complex, and the idea that they would
bring someone into leader club that hasn't been part of
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the formal AFL system for this long seems ridiculous. And
on the other side, you've got people like Kevin Sheedy
going I voted for him in the first place. It
obviously needs to be him. So I'm just ooh, it's
a time. But man, in terms of people that if
you're in a room with James Herd, you're aware and
not a self imposed ara, just one that he can't help.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He does have. He's a born leader, and.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I find it so interesting that such is his appeal
to fans that other coaches are like, well, I'm not
putting my hand up unless it's like, well, I'm not
gonna ask you out unless you confirm that you're on
to get off again with him.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, like, how am I actually a chance here
to be fair?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And I don't know you know how this works out?
Fun fact. Fun fact, we don't know exactly if this
is going to happen, guys, But I do know that
really in the entire league, there's not really a team
as aura less right now as Bombers.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And when you think back to Herd era, you think
the longest leeves, you think Maddi Lloyd playing era, Yes,
picking up the grund.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
They were the envy in the nineties. They were the
envy of the entire league.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
People still do the Matti Lloyd throwing of the grass,
which come on, you can feel wins in different ways.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No one knows, no one.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Cares like like it's just and especially like her like
Herd and bucks Anzac day. That shit is like in
my veins, like it was just the thought of Buckley
being back coaching, which he could very potentially be given
that he's doing an assistant at Geelong because Tazzy is like.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
This is the best?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Is that Neven Buckley literally said, They're like, oh, you're
interested in Tazzy and he goes, oh, well, I'm not
going to say I'm available because being too available doesn't
make you attractive to the hot chick. Genuine analogy that
was said. Incredible, So people think I'm the only one.
He was a heartbeat away from saying that he wants
to be carry unavailable to big So.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm still recovering from you equating Matthew Lloyd to a
weather vein.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
No, it's just it's and Lloyd is still coaching, but
at high school level. Bring him back, bring them all back.
I don't know what we know is the Bombers need something,
but I do feeling. I do feel for West Coast
that have got the Bombers at home, because nothing quite
rallies a group like losing a coach and the bounce back,
the bounce back factor.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's so true. Does he get another coaching role? Is
that a few cracks? Now he's been an administrator, Like
what's happened to him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
He's been really great in the immediate aftermath. He's He's
done interviews and a lot of them, And the whole
part of this that was super interesting is that he
and may this be what we take away from all
of this, Georgie made the full support of the board.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Never find you, may it never find me.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No truer words have ever been forecast.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yes, because the nanosecond that a senior anyone utters the word,
I have full support of the board. You can circle
the thirty days and pack up your office plant because it's.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Sayonara, it's done, it's done done, It's done right.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And initially, and that was the whole thing with this,
Brad Scott, the board and the president and the CEO,
who were not in those roles but were part of
the board decision at the time, decided we're not going
to top up with senior players. We're going to go
there's gonna be hurt, but we need to go through
hurt to properly use the R word and rebuild. And
now they're in the hurt, so deep in the hurt
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that they've won one in twenty four games, and they're like,
it hurt too much.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's funny that you say hurt because it sounds a
lot like herd, doesn't it. Locker or the herd locker,
What are we headed for? What are we headed for?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It is such a watch and wait on what process,
on what process Essendon go through? If they can get
the best candidates while James Hurt is a candidate, or
if they need to straight.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Up declare what they're doing there.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Essentially the AFL have come out Andrew Dillens had to say, no,
we haven't said anything to Essendon about the fact that
we don't want him to coach given the scandal attached
to the name and what the time was.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
It is just this is my drama, this is my
state of origin.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Can I just say we dear listener, are you still
with us? Because we have covered like this is television
series worth in one episode and this is all just
happened in what like the last four days. Come on,
come on, there is nothing better, nothing better.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Right now, declare on the table and we'll just well
so we can play in retrospect and be geniuses. State
of Origin. Now we know the Blues are one to one.
How is the series decided?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Is it is it two? You win it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
In three?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
We win it in three, we go to a decider,
we win it in three. Reese Walsh is recalled at
some point, are you back at Suncourt yep uncourt for
the decider Welsh recalled, that's what happens, yep is recalled
at one point, and will sidestep Nathan Cleary to win.
You gotta be de lulu guys. If I can leave
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you with any kind of advice, and I.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Think James Hurd will coach.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Essendon and let tennis players wear diamonds
Speaker 3 (33:07):
For the love of God, and on that note, until
next week, be a good sport.
Well, well, well we meet again, dear listener, on one
of the greatest, the biggest, the most traumatic weeks of
the calendar year. That is what happens when a marine's
team loses. Anyway, we're going to get into that, but
before we get there, before we get there, welcome to
(00:26):
two good sports and sports news told differently. I'm Georgia Dunny.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Who's wearing black everyone because she's in mourning, in mourning
of the murder that happened last night, because it.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was theirs to win. George and Or I must say
when we recorded last week and you were like, I
mean good, thing is a three game series, I'm like,
I haven't lost yet.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And the premonition that Cleary would potentially get space and.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Cost you the win feels like an attack.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Are you okay? And can we discuss? Can we discuss Ponga?
And it was where are you at? You get let's
do it as a main chat. We'll hold hold sport
main chat. Because I have there's layers. There's layers to this.
I have a brief of evidence. I've not slept, so
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I will present the case. Call me el Woods like,
it's hard, okay, you just need a bit of passion
and eyes and I will be delivering that very very
shortly before we get there. Though good sport, bad sports,
tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You kick it off.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I have a double whammy of bad sports.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I also have a bad sport.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Could I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Start with Danil Medvedev, who is one of the all
time great is if it's such thing to be a
good bad sport?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I just the sourness when anything doesn't go his way
and his ability to blame anything else that the French
opens on right now. This is his quote, clay is
the worst surface for me. But if you want to
be in the dirt like a dog, I don't judge.
That's an actual quote, as if to be like, well,
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if this is your thing, Alcoraz, you can have it
your dog, but I don't judge. And better yet, it's
been so hot in France at the moment, and his
partner has literally said like, oh, because now you can
have that communication.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
She's like you need to calm down, and he's like, oh,
calm down. When I hit him?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Man again, immaculate, He's immaculate.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Is there is there anything more infuriating than having your
partner who you would die Forel, who's like the love
of your life, who you would actually step in front
of a moving bus for right, give you advice I
especially in an athletic sense, like when Robert and I
(02:54):
just go to the gym together and he tries to
tell me how to do a squat. I even if
he's right, yeah, the look I give him, it's a
wonder he's alive.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
This is I will not, in any way, shape or
form be coached by Kane, who literally does because the
second that he tried to correct me, even though he'd
be infinitely more educated to do shit, I'd be like,
you wanna you want to go? I'm horrendous. It's not
my strong suit taking feed.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Even if even if everything they say is a factly
the best advice ever, I'd be like, Oh, we're gonna
man explain, Okay, sure, yeah, it's working out.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Actually I yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
While was still on the French open Namia Saka's kids
yay or.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A look, I'm a yay, I'm a ya. Because anything
that we get talking about tennis, anything that you know
she's and not necessarily I get it. Some people don't
like it because it is taking attention away from the
actual game of tennis.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Previously, we've seen umbrellas. It's a lot, it's giving met
gala for the court. But she's the only one that
got the theme.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Why can't we have drama? Why can't we have drama?
And if you can do it like Naomi Yasaka do it, well,
you can't do you know what I mean? Like people
are entertaining it. It's like, yeah, I want to wear this.
I want to wear a ball gown. Hey ball kid,
just like hold my train as she like drags it
through to quote Daniel the clay, the dirt, the dogs
are in right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So good and one more.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I can't believe how many visa is coming to me.
But I was just thinking about it. Nike have done
one hundred and fifty million dollar US deal with Yanick Sinner, Right,
not the best peed of branding that we seen with
Yanick Sinner because Gucci having him hold a tennis ball
that was in fact an apple saying the original Sinner
in a slow pan. Oh it was chef's kiss. He
is the original Gucci, nothing could be. And the fact
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that it like loosely infers that he's a sinner because
he did drugs fantastic and and what I want to
reference though here is the Nike deal. So they posted
to their social media this incredible shot of him where
he may as well has had the swosh on his head.
There's Nike everywhere, okay, and it's essentially like, well, yes,
you can win every thing, because he's winning everything. But
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what the Internet had a meltdown about the caption is
clearly written by AI.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh no, they got caught out. What did it say?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Just all the dashes, all the punctuation, all the dashes.
So they've spent millions of dollars on this campaign only
to have the top comment be like, bro, the AI
on this is wild?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh my god. No, people still want people to write things.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, we're not ready.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Just check just check your work. Remember that was like
going back to prime. Just just check your work. That's it.
That's all we're asking.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're the only person I know that has correct enough
grammar to be mistaken for AI, and you're an author.
There's no one else that puts commas in text. It's
like me, Comma two, You're immaculate.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're immaculate, all.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, And one last one, one last one, because I
know I'm just coming at you with four thousand.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It could be maybe we have the same because I
have a bad sport and involves the French Open. Is
it the same?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
No, you go, you go. It's stay on game while we're.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Still on tennis. While we're still on tennis. We're not
leaving roll on Garross just yet. I have I don't
know if you've seen this, sheell me, but one of
our faiths arena Sablinka. Oh, I'm also a real big
fan of diamonds. Okay, So I love arena. I love diamonds.
The woman is dripping in it. And when I say dripping,
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I mean hundred thousands of dollars worth of dripping diamonds
on the court. You talk about Naomir sarka sparkling arena,
She is a diamond. She is a diamond, right Q.
She wins a game, she goes through to the press conference,
all of the journals are there, and a journalist decides to.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Ask this, do you see in any way how that
could be seen as possibly hypocritical?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
I don't really see how it can be possible.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Making maybe a comparison between you calling for extra prize
money and then wearing the very expensive diamonds.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
It's not about me at all. It's just fighting for
a player, lower rank players who's really struggling to survive.
Everyone knows that I'm okay. It's just that we're fighting
for a fair percentage for the lower rank players, players
coming back after injuries, next generation to be more comfortable.
So it's not about me.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Would you like to go first, I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'll go first. Just to give some extra context there,
so the journalist was asking about whether or not it
was hypocritical for arena to be dripping in the two
thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of diamonds
when herself and also Yah Next Sinner, mister original Sin,
they have been quite vocal about wanting the prize money
or the revenue that the players can split at the
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French Open in particular, to be changed. So if you
win the French Open or whatever the prize money is,
I think it's only about fifteen percent of the overall
revenue amasses to that, so they're trying to get that
lifted to twenty two percent. So the journalist there was asking,
is it hypocritical you're asking for more money, but you
can obviously afford it, because you've got seventy eight thousand
diamonds on you.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
No one asked Yannick when he decides to use a
Gucci bag to chuck his socks in if that was
hip a critical no one said to our mate the joker,
when he has been the one pioneering this. But don't
you think that you're wealthy enough? Why do women hate women?
(08:25):
Why was that always going to be a female journal?
And also your genius? She was probably loaned it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I don't think she shelled out for that, And
if she had, what's it got to do with it?
Shut up?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, oh shut up? And also look a generous reading
of that is and you know, you and I've both
been in those rooms, jelly, And it's like, if her
publication or wherever she was from just needs to get sick,
ask her about this. You need to ask her about this.
So whether or not she actually wanted to personally, that's
a hard position to be in. But let's just take
it at face value. She asked the question, and I
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with you, no male player is ever put in that
position like I mean, Nick Kurios Fanasi Kokanakas, I mean
they're different different again, different levels between.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Both were diamonds.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They've got diamonds everywhere as well. Is anyone ever asking them,
you know, do you think that you're maybe you should
give back some of that money because it seems like
you're doing okay, just pour on those like what are
we doing? What are we doing here? What do we do?
And I do think it was key because, as we've
talked about on this podcast before, with the likes of
Sam Stosa, for all of the younger tennis players or
the less established tennis players that are tennis players train stations,
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it's yeah, it's really hard, really hard to make a living.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Nah, you can tell how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I just think when when women, when women have success,
other women for whatever reason, feel the need to be.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Like, but don't you think you could help the children
with that, let her live, let her live?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, it's like you can't be just one thing, right,
It's like we constantly tell women they have to be everything.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Doing this one thing. It's like okay, cool, but can
you wait on? And it's well, actually, I just I
just want to do this bit right now, Like what
are we doing? Why can't I just be this anyway,
another existential question for.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
We could unpack that for a long time. But one
more that I think needs an honorable mention. The good
sport bad sport that is happening between George Russell and
Kimmy Antonelli right now is theater because George Russell has
come into this season of F one and gone, finally
my time. Yeah, no, no, it's the infant's time, because
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no matter what he does, Kimmi Antonelli keeps winning podiums
and it's just and I think you can pinpoint the
exact moment his heart broke when Lewis Hamilton pok Kimmy
on his shoulder over the weekend and Toto's they're beaming
and they're both and it's infighting. It's for pir rules
all over again, because the next minute it's like, this
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should be a sanction, this should't blah blah blah. I
just think George Russell, who's had to go for so
long a Maxi Stappan.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Been like as soon as things don't go his way,
he's tends to drop a lip.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You try and not drop a lip now because there's
a three year old that's beating you and you thought
this was your time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
My heart breaks through him.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's also someone that looks like a walking Gucci campaign.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
He's gonna say, if anyone's pouting, I mean, please make
it George Russell, because he is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Man, immaculate, immaculate, but.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Immaculate, immaculate. But you're so right, You're so right. And
this is why we love Formula one. This is why
we love it because of the drama, the drama, drama, drama.
I can't believe Antonelli. He's obviously a freak. He's a
generational talent, potentially like he's insanely good. But I'm with you,
George is there being like, are you joke?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I've heard the analysis that essentially Lewis Hamilton is Willfussa
and George Russell is Scar and is like, finally, now
is my time.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And Simba has come in and just started to claim it, and.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Literally Allevil Fussa has held up Simber and gone everything
the light touches, and Toto's there in the background going
there's my boy, there's my boy, and poor Scar is banished.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Poor George Russell.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No one is saying, poor George Russell because everyone is
so happy for Kimmy, because you can't not be.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He's delightful, He's absolutely delightful.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And meanwhile they're just off the podium being like, well
we looked a bit dumb, didn't we. Everyone else decided
to not go wet weather tires, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I don't know why I became British.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But badly channeling George there.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
There's so much happening there that I don't know if
anyone followed me, but I I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, I love it. I love it, I love it.
I love it. My god, we covered some ground we covered.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thank you for listening to a sports I'm just kidding.
Our main chats coming up after this.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
M Swile got sad, heavy contact. He threw himself into this.
Well it's a head class.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well it is calling there as well.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's a.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Distinguished members of the jury. During Game one, State of
Origin New South Wales up against Queensland, there was a
game altering, changing and hell, I'm going to say it
objectively winning moment that happened in the fifty seventh minute
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when Kaylen Ponger decided for whatever reason, to make one
of the stupidest decisions and tackle New South Wales winger
Cola into Next Tuesday Coler, imagine this, Jellmy sprinting, renting
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down the sideline, heading towards the Queensland try line. It
doesn't look like for anything, he's going to score because
he was already wrapped up in a tackle, already wrapped
up in a tackle. And then the fullback, Queensland fullback
Kaylen Ponger, starts. The only word to describe this is.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And it's like Usain Bolt.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We've got a lot of pace coming at Cola tackles
the man. We're unsure at the time. Is it a
shoulder charge, is it a head clash? What's going on?
All we know is Cola is on the ground, grabbing
out his head Ponger is also on the ground, grabbing
out his head gear. There's been a gigantic collision. The
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stadium I think shook. My launde room shook. So I
can only imagine what was happening at the actual ground.
Then we see some replays, We see some replays and
it becomes clear, becomes clear people of the court that
it was a head clash. I will get to my evidence,
(15:07):
but we're just laying the foundations here. There was a
head clash between Kayl and Ponger and Cola, the New
South Wales's winger. Anyway, that's not how the referee, Ashley
Klein deemed or saw it. He decided that it was
a shoulder charge to the head, high contact with the
head that is an immediate sendoff in rugby league.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And this is actually client going against what's the point
of having the bunker?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, yes, it's so fascinating that you say this, Jelmy, Yes,
because actually, well let's let's listen to Ashley Klein here.
But what I think on the broadcast this is alluding
to is that the bunker is potentially suggesting that there
should be a sin bin, and Ashley Klein is very
adamant that no, there has been shoulder contact with the
head that is a sendoff. So Cola has come off
(15:48):
the field and increasingly so the condition of the player
who's on the receiving end of day is kis.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I know we all say, but this isn't illegal play, Taylor.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I mean the record going to get money? Am I
right in saying it's head on head now?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Or if it's some shoulder cuts, I think it's hit on.
This is a big call, like ten in the bin.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm all for ten in the bin.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I thinks the shoulder charges makes correct contact to the head.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Junior.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Wow, I'm trouble.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Now, Jill me.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I do believe it's important here to just emphasize underline
highlights put up on a billboard, just how pivotal this
moment was in the game, because do you know what
happened after that? At that time, fifty seven minutes on
the clock, Ponger gets sent his marching orders. I immediately
(16:42):
not great at mass, but I look at the clock
and I go fifty seven take that away from eighty
twenty three. That's twenty three minutes of football that Queensland
has twelve members and New South Wales has thirteen, and
they also have Nathan Cleary, so basically they have twenty
three players on the ground and Queensland has And I thought, God,
it's not looking. Grain, It's not looking. Queensland was up
(17:04):
twenty to six when Ponger gets sent off, ends up
losing the game twenty two points to twenty.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
To be fair, considering they were a man down, they
held on exceptionally well and I do laugh that after
the match, James Tedesco, who is the raigning Dalia medalist
so technically the league's best and fairest, may have said
about eight times in one interview, anyone who plays with
Nathan Cleary knows that he's the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was like he had a tick. He just kept
saying it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
He's like, he is the best player in the league.
He's the best player in the league. And I'm like, oh, George,
because you knew.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You knew, I knew, I knew that that was going
to happen. But what James Tedesco was trying to avoid
saying was that actually Kaylen Ponger should have been awarded
Man of the Match for winning the game for New
South Wales with that absolute brain explosion that saw him
pummel Cohler.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He's one of yours.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Though you love him, oh, I love him. I love him,
I love him, I love him for many many reasons.
But this was dumb. This was just dumb. It was
an absolute brain fade. He did not need to go
into that tackle that hard. Let's let's confirm that right now,
which I think is also where another one of mine.
Billy Slater, coach of the Morons, was coming from during
(18:14):
the post match press conference where he said he said this,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, we can argue all we want, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like, let's call them.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I haven't got any problems with it.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I've got a pretty big problem, Billy, pretty big problem, okay,
because if we go frame by frame, If we go
frame by frame technically, technically, don't come at me technically.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We'll get a projector out for the court. Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's a head clash. It's a head clash. I've zoomed in,
I've gone frame by frame. It's not a good tackle.
It's not a good looking tackle. It's a terrible tackles technically,
not a great tackle. It isn't a shoulder to the head.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What are your cots on the fact that the next
game is at the mcg.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well was essentially a home a home game for Queensland,
although the last time, or one of the last times
that they played there, I was there and Queensland got brutalized.
I remember South Wales. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I do remember that you weren't well.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
We could not have played worse could not have played worse.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
The good thing is you now know where the lights
are at the MCG to turn them off. You need
to everybody go home. It is It is amazing football
though it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh look, look people of the court. Before I rest
my case, you may be able to tell. But I
think it wasn't a sendoff.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Maybe I do.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I do think it. I do think it was a
sin bin for sure. But I also I also new
South Wales yep, well done, you won. You should have won.
You know, they actually should have been in Queensland a
lot by the time it was like they were down
a man and the amount of chances that they had,
they should have won by twelve. It shouldn't have come
down to that last minute play with James Dedesco jumping
over the top of Hammer off a naight thank Clary
(19:55):
perfectly placed kick. Do you know what I mean? Like
that just shouldn't those moments shouldn't really have I should
have been the game when it should have already been sealed.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But but, but, but but do you think Ashley Klein
now needs to be in like witness protection because genuinely,
an entire state is mad.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It is but I honestly do think that the camps
are split because it's not a good time by a
border of states. Yes, but there would be some Queensland.
I think there's queensland is out there that can that
can understand it, so that on this but on this podcast,
you know, I was so off Joseph sewer Ley when
he had the shoulder shoulder charge to the face of
(20:35):
Reesel so.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Much so you drove him out of the coat eight minute.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, exactly, He's placed rope union. So I under I
understand that. But I do not think I have ever
watched a game where a team deserved to win an
Origin game less than New South Wales. Than New South Wales,
they did everything in their power to lose that game.
(21:00):
They dropped so much ball, they were abysmal. When it
was thirteen on thirteen, Queensland had all of the possession,
I understand, but they utilized it. We held onto the
ball and we converted that into points twenty zerol twenty
to six. Then we go down a player and of course, yes,
I hear you. You know New South I still had
to come back from that. They still had to score.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Okay, it's fine, did you miss Reese Walsh.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I was thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I thought I was just gonna say I was thinking
about it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, I am always he does live rent free in
my mind. I was thinking about this because I did
have a moment. And look, I'm not saying it's a
good one, Guys. I sometimes have toxic traits where I go, God,
if we had race, maybe we would have won because
he wouldn't have done that. But then I'm like, well,
Reeswold could have done that, stupid tak you like, you know,
would have, could have should have. There's no way when
(21:53):
we went a player down, There's there was no way
that anyone on that field could have overturned that result.
That well just has too much talent. And I will
give credit where credits due. Nathan Cleary.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He's pretty good. He's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You were. Eventually the player of the match should have
again been Kaylen Ponger, but it was Nathan Cleary. The
forty twenty that he pulled off before a new South
Wales try. I just it was unbelievable. Those are the
those are the big moments. It's those little moments that
he does and then he scores a try and then
he puts up the kick for James Tedesco to you know,
score the match winner. He is such a complete footballer
(22:30):
that as soon as you give an advantage of a
man down, there's just it was.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
It was sealed.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It was sealed from the fifty seventh minute that New
South Wales was going to win that game.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
If you keep all men all men on deck for
the next two games, are you confident you'll take out
the series?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I actually am far more so.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I did not think that, Yeah, you were not.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I wasn't confident. The concept of it being twenty kneel
down so early on I had that was amazing to
me and I credit where credits due?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Again.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I was one of the people that wasn't sure about
Sam Walker in the harves being chosen.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Respectfully, he weighs less than me, zipping wet, you know,
and so I was like, is he going to be
able to handle Origin? And he it was such a
fantastic debut. As soon as he had that tryasis for
our first tribe the night, I was like, okay, well
I'm an idiot welcome. So yeah, he was. He was
incredible And again, credit where more credits due? James Dedesco,
(23:23):
who I thought wasn't a great inclusion for New South Wales,
ends up with the ultimate moment of the football gods
shining on, shining on him and delivering him that that
match winter. I think we can win it. I think
we can win it now because New South Wales was
a shamble at the start of that. Unfortunately they know
that they are a shamble and they are and they won.
They won. They won in spite of that.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Are you going to the MCG game?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I will be overseas so I will be watching somewhere
in the ethert a terrible time zone. I am sure a.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
True moron would never would never.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I wonder if if we lose, do you reckon? You
can hear me scream over all of the yeah on
the other side of the world.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yes, yes, confident, confident that's the case.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I have a fun fact that I'm just going to
make an outrageous statement.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Okay, is it that I care? Maybe slightly too much.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My fun fact is that if he wants it as
much as he says that he wants it, I think
that it can be no one else but James Hurt
to be the next coach of so much so that
you have coaches like or former coaches like Adam Simpson
and Ken Hinckley saying the club needs to declare if
(24:43):
they're interested in James.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Before any other candidates are going to put their hand up.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because in the wake of the sacking of Brad Scott,
which happened on Monday, which was very ill timed with
the passing of Neil Dana Herb, which we are going
to do a full episode on that, listeners believe that
that is absolutely coming your way. The immediate buzz around
the idea that James Hurd, who was second to Brad
in the running for the senior coach role when they
(25:11):
went through that formal process was going to be the
prodigal son who returns and leads Essendon back into the
glory days was so loud it was deafening. And then
the man himself appeared on Footy Classified and said, in
no uncertain way, if the club want me, I would
love to be part of the process and if I
(25:31):
am the best candidate, I will make Essendon great again.
I'm paraphrasing, but the terms were definitely I want to
make Essendon a great club again, and he acknowledged that
he was part of the scandal that saw the downfall
and he took his ownership of that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But it's giving.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
He doesn't want to coach anywhere else. He's not an
assistant anywhere. He just wants to coach Essendon. And he
talked about how emotionally devastating it is for him to
watch the club that he loves go through what they've
gone through. And if you want to talk about Aura Georgie,
he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh, like it is giving. I've been full of analogies
in this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Hep you know that girlfriend that just has a real
pining for someone that didn't work out, but they've never
truly moved on. And it comes to the point where
it's like, mate, you're not seeing anyone else because you
can't see beyond him. You need to give it another
crack so that you know. And the amount of people
(26:35):
and fans of Essendon that I've heard in talkback radio
this week call and say, we simply need to give
another crack so it either works out or we move on,
because there's too much wounding there for anyone to move
on from James Hurd.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
He's too loved.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's giving. We were on a break is what it's giving.
It's giving we were on a brea.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Or I wasn't the only one to be part of
the doping scandal.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's not all on my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh, it's just I've seen the analogy that is carrying big.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Thank you, it's so carrying big Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like essentially Runner, we've just keeped the peloton away from him.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But quite genuinely, I am so interested as to how
this plays out because you've got one side of the camp,
the carry Wilson's of the world essentially saying this club
has a messiah complex, and the idea that they would
bring someone into leader club that hasn't been part of
(27:44):
the formal AFL system for this long seems ridiculous. And
on the other side, you've got people like Kevin Sheedy
going I voted for him in the first place. It
obviously needs to be him. So I'm just ooh, it's
a time. But man, in terms of people that if
you're in a room with James Herd, you're aware and
not a self imposed ara, just one that he can't help.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He does have. He's a born leader, and.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I find it so interesting that such is his appeal
to fans that other coaches are like, well, I'm not
putting my hand up unless it's like, well, I'm not
gonna ask you out unless you confirm that you're on
to get off again with him.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, like, how am I actually a chance here
to be fair?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And I don't know you know how this works out?
Fun fact. Fun fact, we don't know exactly if this
is going to happen, guys, But I do know that
really in the entire league, there's not really a team
as aura less right now as Bombers.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And when you think back to Herd era, you think
the longest leeves, you think Maddi Lloyd playing era, Yes,
picking up the grund.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
They were the envy in the nineties. They were the
envy of the entire league.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
People still do the Matti Lloyd throwing of the grass,
which come on, you can feel wins in different ways.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No one knows, no one.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Cares like like it's just and especially like her like
Herd and bucks Anzac day. That shit is like in
my veins, like it was just the thought of Buckley
being back coaching, which he could very potentially be given
that he's doing an assistant at Geelong because Tazzy is like.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
This is the best?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Is that Neven Buckley literally said, They're like, oh, you're
interested in Tazzy and he goes, oh, well, I'm not
going to say I'm available because being too available doesn't
make you attractive to the hot chick. Genuine analogy that
was said. Incredible, So people think I'm the only one.
He was a heartbeat away from saying that he wants
to be carry unavailable to big So.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm still recovering from you equating Matthew Lloyd to a
weather vein.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
No, it's just it's and Lloyd is still coaching, but
at high school level. Bring him back, bring them all back.
I don't know what we know is the Bombers need something,
but I do feeling. I do feel for West Coast
that have got the Bombers at home, because nothing quite
rallies a group like losing a coach and the bounce back,
the bounce back factor.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's so true. Does he get another coaching role? Is
that a few cracks? Now he's been an administrator, Like
what's happened to him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
He's been really great in the immediate aftermath. He's He's
done interviews and a lot of them, And the whole
part of this that was super interesting is that he
and may this be what we take away from all
of this, Georgie made the full support of the board.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Never find you, may it never find me.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No truer words have ever been forecast.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yes, because the nanosecond that a senior anyone utters the word,
I have full support of the board. You can circle
the thirty days and pack up your office plant because it's.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Sayonara, it's done, it's done done, It's done right.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And initially, and that was the whole thing with this,
Brad Scott, the board and the president and the CEO,
who were not in those roles but were part of
the board decision at the time, decided we're not going
to top up with senior players. We're going to go
there's gonna be hurt, but we need to go through
hurt to properly use the R word and rebuild. And
now they're in the hurt, so deep in the hurt
(31:19):
that they've won one in twenty four games, and they're like,
it hurt too much.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's funny that you say hurt because it sounds a
lot like herd, doesn't it. Locker or the herd locker,
What are we headed for? What are we headed for?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It is such a watch and wait on what process,
on what process Essendon go through? If they can get
the best candidates while James Hurt is a candidate, or
if they need to straight.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Up declare what they're doing there.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Essentially the AFL have come out Andrew Dillens had to say, no,
we haven't said anything to Essendon about the fact that
we don't want him to coach given the scandal attached
to the name and what the time was.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
It is just this is my drama, this is my
state of origin.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Can I just say we dear listener, are you still
with us? Because we have covered like this is television
series worth in one episode and this is all just
happened in what like the last four days. Come on,
come on, there is nothing better, nothing better.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Right now, declare on the table and we'll just well
so we can play in retrospect and be geniuses. State
of Origin. Now we know the Blues are one to one.
How is the series decided?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Is it is it two? You win it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
In three?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
We win it in three, we go to a decider,
we win it in three. Reese Walsh is recalled at
some point, are you back at Suncourt yep uncourt for
the decider Welsh recalled, that's what happens, yep is recalled
at one point, and will sidestep Nathan Cleary to win.
You gotta be de lulu guys. If I can leave
(32:57):
you with any kind of advice, and I.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Think James Hurd will coach.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Essendon and let tennis players wear diamonds
Speaker 3 (33:07):
For the love of God, and on that note, until
next week, be a good sport.
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