We didn't know that a simple stat about Caitlin Clark, a rookie basketballer in the WNBA who outsold LeBron on jersey sales, would cause such madness on the Two Good Sports Insta page.
Caitlin has become one of the most talked-about names in sport. Her meteoric rise in just 2 years, manufactured drama and a rivalry with Angel Reese - we debate it all and discuss why she’s such a polarising figure, what her status says about the state of women’s sport, and why fans can’t seem to handle her competing with (and beating) men. Also why was she left off the 30th anniversary poster?
Plus, Serena Williams’ Wimbledon return doesn't go to plan (but joy for our own Maya Joint), and a proper conversation on why female athletes are still being held to completely different standards.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nobody watched women's sport until it became trendy in the news.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now hold on absolutely no.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
If you or I had ever won a green jacket,
do you think we'd ever take it off at the
beach in it?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Guess who's back back again?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Georgie's back with the plague. She went to Europe and
couldn't get out of bed for three days.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
But she's joining us ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls
days and EM's welcome to do good sports sports news
told differently, I maybe tell.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Me I'm Georgie Tunney. We're back, We're.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Back in business. We're back in business. Tell me I've
missed you. I've missed you. I've been all over the world.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You've also been on every podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I've been finding out things about you from other people's podcast,
which is quite offensive.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Truly, truly.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So if there's any big life announcements that you need
to make, this is your.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Pod, please, And I know that I know that, you know.
We always do hate this question. You know, how do
you fit it all in? I don't sleep, guys, So
this is yeah, we did all of that before we
jetted off, and it was all in line with like
book tours and stuff like that, and it's all been awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But yes, I am back. I am back now, I'm
back with you.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm back with you, dear listeners, and I'm very excited
to discuss all of the things that have been rolling
around in my head because there's been many, Yeah, it's
been many.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
What was actually given that you were in Europe and
you're across different parts of Europe? What was it like
the hype with the world car huge happening, Like could
you feel it on the street?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Could you see the colors? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes, I mean especially so I was in London and Paris,
so of course whenever you know England was playing, it
was if I was there for an England game, then
that was a different level. But I was only in
I was in Paris for one of France's games, and
that with the time difference, it started quite late at night.
I think it was like ten or eleven PM. And
the atmosphere there amazing. Everything just feels like slightly I
(02:02):
don't know if it feels like a movie. It feels
like a movie, like we're walking along the sand and
there's just in babe jerseys everywhere and people like pouring
out of like the Irish pub in the Marae and
it's just just such a such a vibe, such a vibe.
But then also I was very conscious of I mean,
we love the French, we love the French, Viva la France.
But you know if they if they win, the city
(02:24):
will burn to the ground. If they lose, the city
will burn to the ground. Like you know, they're a
very passionate, passionate fan.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that was fun.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It's interesting because the French are making football looks so
easy and the British are making it look so good,
so hard, Like they win, but they win by making
their fans have an actual panic attack before the end
of the match, like football's not coming whoa, or like
like well come on.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, I don't think it's coming home. But I
do think they might make the final. I mean, they're
definitely gonna get this the semis. I think, I think potentially,
look at.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Me already winding it back. Potentially maybe on a good day.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
My favorite thing is all the social media accounts that
are ripping into their intro videos or more the point,
the portraits.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That they got.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Why haven't you seen this? No, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Portraits? Oh? My god, the English football team.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
There's just the strangest lot of photos and even the
way that they decide to look down the barrel when
they're introduced. In all of their welcome clips, they have
been the center of parody because they all just didn't
get the memo of what they were meant to be doing.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's very, very funny. So if you want to look that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Up, I mean you and I both know, dear listener,
pick behind the veil. Those kind of photo shoots are
no joke because they're the most awkward things on Earth.
You and I have both stood in a midlank skirt
that's not going to be flattering on anyone holding some
kind of sporting paraphernalia.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Look China, eyeball the camera being like, yes, I belong here.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I have flat out refused to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You've never done it as in that as in they've
gone hold the Sharon and I'll go no, thank you,
I'll hold the mic. But this whole idea of like
me throwing the footy up, it's it's so dumb. It's
so dumb and like and the problem is everyone before
me has smiled and waved and taken it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Only everyone and everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
No, no, because I'm just like a photo of me
holding the foot like what for what purpose? Like towards
the end, I was just like, you know what, Richo's
really good at hold. He can do that and I'll
smile like, but I just I've no iota of me
believes that I'm an ex player, So why do I
have to hold I.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Mean, Dan j Dan's j I'm immediately going to be
looking at these this England team. I mean, I'm still
recovering from the Norwegian blood photo shoot.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
As you well very well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Know, sometimes God the Internet is a cess pit, but
also it brings me such joy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Sometimes good sport or bad sports? Should we probably?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Sorry, yeah, sorry guys, this is welcome to our catch up. No, no, no, okay,
good sport, bad sport. Let's continue with the actual mechanics
of this podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Who do I want to go with?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh? Good sport has to be my joint, my joint.
Defeating Serena Williams in at Wimbledon. Now, now, there was
part of me. It was part of me, and I'm
not proud of this part. Okay, I say that put
my hands up was part of me? Is a Serena
Williams Stan who wasn't very Australian about it. I was
a bit sad.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I was little a sad Lita sad that Maya won.
But no, nope, I recovered.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I recovered with grace, recovered with grace, and I thought,
you know what Maya, with your incredible last name as
an athlete joint just you know, it just does something
to my brain. I like it a lot, Well done,
well done, what a match you'll always remember knocking out
the people's princess Serena Williams from her come back to
tennis at forty four forty four, I know, but can
(05:31):
you I just want to have some sort of footage
of when the Wimbledon event plan I got the call going,
oh yes, Serena Williams would like a wild card. It's
that classic, like, oh yeah, I reckon, we can fight
and see it at the table for Serena Williams, Are
you out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And also just imagine just being there when she came
back out on the court. You know, Oh, those are
the moments where it was like, God, if only I
couldn't the court, I would love to have been there.
I mean, she did say that she hurt her knee.
I think she twined her knee against Maya, so hopefully
she will take to the court again with Venus.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
She said she wanted to play so her kids could
remember her playing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Oh, which is so sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Also to make you feel old, like I know, Serena's
forty four and Maya's like twenty nothing years of age.
When Maya was born, Serena had already won like six
or seven Grand slams.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And it's also like Maya delightful. We would love it
to have her on a pod. Very different personnel, very
different and I was just a little bit concerned for
al Maya that it might have been just such an
overawing experience, but she handled it, and she handled with grace.
Something that I'd like to bring up isn't the whole
(06:45):
thing with the green jacket and Augusta that the green
jacket isn't allowed to leave all that. No, that I
believe to be the terms right is that you win it,
and part of it being this weird, Yes, they do
a dinner golf's bloody strain, but you win the jacket
and you're only allowed to wear it when you're at Augusta.
That was my understand That was my understanding of the jackets, right.
(07:09):
So to see him what saut at Wimbledon with his jacket,
which it's been a very jackety Wimbledon.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Has everyone's everyone's say Nomia Saker and been like, I'll
do that, Yanick.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I've got it on my notes to talk to you about. Jelmy.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did you see Yanick in the floor the flawless ankle
length I can only be described as a gown coat.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I was like, thank you Gucci, Thank you, mister Gucci.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He literally doesn't miss man. But there's been layers going
on here. But Rory decided to rock up in a
green I.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Will argue, I don't think it was a real green
jacket there.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think it was a replica.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think he wore fake one.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I think you wore a replica and no one's gonna
question it because he's not going to take it off, okay,
I no Vak Djokovic was like, sir, I want your
jacket haha.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of course he was going to say that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I love your rendition still ha ha, and also.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Just unnecessary flexing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Is it unnecessary?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Though? You know him?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I love this. I love when the people are just like,
oh that they can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
If I tell me, if you or I had ever
won a green jacket, do you think we'd ever take
it off? We're at the beach in it like hello.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I would be the Grench. I would paint myself green.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So people would be like why, and I'd be like, well,
so it matches my jacket that I'm not allowed to wear,
although apparently you are.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's layers to it. There's way too many layers.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Our main discussion today is something that was brought to attention.
The social media landscape is a really weird world. We
put a lot of effort and our team put a
lot of effort into bringing new clips that we think
that you'll find interesting. But this one, this one didn't
really I don't know when we posted it. I don't
think we envisaged that twenty five thousand people would like it,
(08:46):
over five hundred people would reshare it. At this point,
it's over seven hundred comments, three hundred and fifty thousand
views for US highlighting that Kaitlin Clark has sold a
lot of jerseys. L Clark ranks as number two in
overall US basketball jersey sales. Really so it goes Steph Curry,
(09:09):
Caitlyn Clark, Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
No, way above Lebron?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
What above Lebron?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh, my god, believable. Jeez love it. We love that,
love it.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I love fun fact love it.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Turns out there's a fair bit going on with our
friend Kaitlyn Clark that we might not have realized that
we pulled the pin on that grenade and lobbed it
out to the internet because they're essentially saying, Georgie that
the WNBA hates her.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Is what a lot of commentary is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Are we going to read some of the seven hundred comments, No,
because some of them are horrendous. But it's a really
interesting one for me because we know the synergy between
her rise and the rise of women's sports and the
new bargaining agreement that WNBA has that's seen her wage
alone go from seventy eight thousand US to her latest
one being five hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And twenty eight thousand.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's the height that we've seen for WNBA athletes and
she has to be at the centerpiece of that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, she definitely does. She definitely does.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's such a bizarre twist, a plot twist. Shall we
say in what we definitely were not expecting, but we are.
We're going to dive into that next with exactly why
potentially it got you all so bloody fired up. So jemy,
(10:32):
I know that we don't want to necessarily go through
every single comment that has appeared underneath our content about
Caitlin Clark, because look, you are right, a lot of
it is a cesspit. As we've said about the internet
can be great, a lot of times it is a sesspit,
and it's that way for a reason. However, I did
want to draw attention to one particular comment that actually
had me going, well, hang on a second. Nobody watched
(10:53):
women's sport until it became trendy in the news. Now
hold on, just factually incorrect, factually incorrect, and I still
would argue that it's not necessarily trendy. However, Kaitlyn Clark,
whenever that name appears in the news, it's certainly trends
for better or for worse. You and I probably we
(11:14):
have been on the periphery of this full disclosure. We
are not necessarily day in day out WNBA officionados.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We support it as a league.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We love women's sport, we hate the term, but we
love women's sport, We love our female athletes. We've done
episodes of this podcast before where we've talked about in depth,
you know, Kaitlyn Clark's impact effect on the game when
she was drafted number one in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Four, and we've had Beck Allen on who's playing for
New York Livity, talking about what it's like to play
over in the States in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's ten years exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
What it has become very clear though, is that she
is as a figure, as an entity. I'm not necessarily
going to say as a person, because I think that,
you know, there's a level of height of this discourse
where you actually forget that she's a person with like
real feelings in hundred percent, she becomes like an entity.
And it's clear that within this discourse that the entity
(12:04):
of Caitlyn Clark is polarizing, very polarizing to a lot
of people, whether that be sports fans, casual sports fans,
basketball fans, general public, people who sit on one side
of American politics, people who sit on the other side
of American politics, the officials, the actual basketball heads. Everyone
seems to have an opinion about this player.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And a lot of the time when we say see
polarizing figures, particularly in I don't know the Australian media
not naming any names that have.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Been at the forefront of that in the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But these people invite it, right, you can see that
they're trying to incite this sort of division or hate.
I don't think you can say that, and I don't
think anyone can fairly say that about Caitlyn Clark. She
is off the radar as she can possibly be. She
doesn't have social media, she gets out there. She just
wants to play. And this rhetoric around the fact that
she's being heavily fouled and the refs aren't doing anything
(12:59):
about it is point one.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Point two.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Is this idea that is she the best person to
be an ambassador for the league? Is really what the
question is and how the other players and the other
stars around her react to the fact there's a gaping
chasm between the interest in her and what the interest
is in everyone else. And I don't think you can
say that that's her fault. Like some of the conversations
(13:24):
again that are happening in these comments, that is giving
us an idea, Yes, you've got to be so sensitive
to comments on social media, having the highest of piers
and the lowest of lows, but it can give you
an idea to what people want to talk about. And
a lot of talk is about Angel Rees and these
different names, being resentful of the attention that she gets.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I feel as someone who has met Angel Rees and
has interviewed Angel Rees, and has spoken to you Angel
Reese about Caitlin Clark. So for those who do not
know throughout, I would say their entire kind of playing careers,
like from college into turning pro in the WNBA like this,
This is the pairing that's been pitted against each other.
They've played a lot of ball against each other. They're
(14:05):
always whenever Kaitlyn Clarks mentioned Angel racings to get pulled
into it and vice versa. There's die hard Race fans
that thinks that she gets hard done by by not
getting the headline she deserves because everyone focuses on Clark.
And then there's Clark fans that are just like Reese,
isn't even that good? We need to give more attention
to Caitlyn.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Very very different approaches. Right in the Angel races on
the cover of Vogue. She goes to the met like
she really invites that attention as well, which is all
part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Of course she can't oh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
All part of it, all part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But having talked to her about Caitlyn and about that relationship,
I genuinely got the vibe that she was just like,
it really doesn't affect my day to dad.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Like, yeah, we just if it's was that the response?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, she was kind of just like, you know, like
we've played together, we play against each other a lot,
respect each other, like we're gonna play hard against each other,
like on the court. But I don't know, I don't
think they're best friends. I didn't get that vibe. But also,
why would they need to be? You know, the rivalry itself,
though undoubtedly is both good and bad for the league.
It's great because it creates that attention, it creates that
(15:05):
trending narrative, it creates that clickbait for better or worse.
But then you are drawing more eyes that you wouldn't
necessarily get too a women's league.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And speaking of eyes on the league, there was a
commemorative poster brought out for the WNBA and it was
quite interesting that there wasn't Caitlin Clark wasn't featured in
it in celebrating the league in its history. But the
argument being that the producers of said poster didn't have
the right to use her image. So this is the
other thing you can find any evidence that you want
(15:34):
to support your argument in that she's having a rough time.
She having a great time. What we can tell you
is the difference between what her earnings were in twenty
twenty five, being the WNBA paying her seventy eight thousand
dollars as a rookie as opposed to Nike paying her
twenty eight million dollars over eight years.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And that was just Nike. She's Gatorade.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And we all remember that billboard when she was making
the shot, right, Like she has had to weather being
at the forefront of this and being a rookie. And
I just think, like at the end of the day,
we sit back and the eighteen million people that tuned in,
and there's so many people in the US, so they
can be these unbelievable amount of eyes. But those people
that tuned in to watch her in her rookie games,
(16:15):
in her games as she was coming out, I just
think it's such a powerful example of how one person
can change sport and how clearly one person can dominate
a conversation, which is what we've seen.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I agree with you, I do agree with you. I
also think though, that when it comes to Caitlyn Clark
and Angel Reese, but the WNBA in general, it also
shines a light on this god. It's my favorite word
of the episode trend that we keep seeing of the
parasocial fan. Right as someone who has intimate knowledge of
being a parasocial fan, we'rektops and definitely with the internet rhetoric,
(16:52):
a lot of the time, Caitlyn is positioned as this victim,
being like everyone plays so hard against her. They should.
She's the best. She's the best. Everyone plays like they're
dirtiest against her. Yeah, okay, she's again, she's the best,
So they've got to try and like beat her in
some kind of way. And Andrew Lawrence made mentioned that,
you know, when Michael Jordan was coming up through his
(17:13):
rookie seasons, his first few seasons, he got absolutely bombarded.
But it's like these players have to rise above. And
I would say that Caitlyn, in terms of her encore performances.
She's just going through what so many people do when
they have that impossible standard that they are held to,
which is they've dropped off a little bit because you
can't actually keep going like that when everyone commons onto
the fact that you're amazing and hey, let's have a
(17:33):
game plan just taking let's like take you down. So
I think that she herself is as a player, is
still adjusting to that and adapting to that, and it
is probably not being treated fairly by anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Really. Yeah, it's the decoss of it all.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, in a really strange analogy from Caitlyn Clark. But
as you were talking about that, like, you know, Nick
Daekos doesn't have the strongest start to the year, and
you've got Fly being like, yeah, because he's been tagged
within an inch of his life, Like he's getting treated
differently from every other player, Like these players are held
to different accords, and they're also you know, there's people
(18:09):
that will love Nick Dakos or hate Nick Dakos before
he touches the ball because of his name and his
brand and this idea that one person can be bigger
than a club and bigger than the league, and every
time the AFL post Nick Dakos or don't post Nick Daykos.
If you look at the AFL's account, all the comments
are like you couldn't help but put Nick in here,
could you? Or if they didn't be like buy a
(18:30):
lotto ticket. There's a post where the AFL have refrained
from using Nick Dakos. He's part of the conversation, whether
he wants to be or not. And you've got Tazzy,
who don't even have a team yet, joking about signing
him constantly.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Because that it's what entices conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
And at the end of the day, even though some
of this discourse is terrible, we're like, have the conversation
on our page.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh yea please?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, like so come come chat with us in the
same way that people use your Nick Dakos as I'm
sure they use your Michael Jordan back in the day.
And these are the names that if you want to
transcend sport, you've got to be able to play with
the heat.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you think there's also an element to this, and
again I reiterate we hate the term women's sport, but
as more and more women's sports, women's codes become fully professional,
I also think there's an adjustment period from the wider
media in terms of how we criticize our players and
how we criticize athletes in a way that we would
(19:31):
male athletes. I still don't think we're there when it
comes to the AFLW in particular. We're getting better with
the NRLW Olympians is kind.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Of a sidebar.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think that a lot of even just casual sports
fans don't might be like, you, you sucked, and it's like, okay, cool,
I'm still number four in the world, but yeah, cool.
So I think that that still people are learning, People
are learning to actually view these professional athletes with that
kind of lens too, And I think that that is
also part of the conversation when it comes to Caitlin
clark is potential. There's an immaturity there when it comes
(20:01):
to the analysis of her.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Play, and an immaturity to the fact that the stat
that we highlighted was across men's and women's. We weren't
talking about the highest selling women's jersey. We were talking
about the highest selling basketball jerseys in the US. And
of course it started in twenty twenty four, because I
don't know that's when you could start buying Caitlyn Clark
jerseys and people were absolutely like losing it going well,
(20:26):
of course if you wanted a Lebron jersey, you already
had one. That's great, but we can't backdate it to
when what like this is these are numbers like we
can't help this. And I do think that it's interesting,
you know, and good friend of the Poul Kate McCarthy,
and we're going to have her on. Recently she's playing
a Legends game and someone highlighted that she'd played like,
(20:46):
I think it's forty two, forty four matches, being like,
how can you be a Legend when you've only played
this many games? And it's like, do you know how
limited their seasons are and do you know like the
different football that wouldn't have been rated as AFLW yet
that she would have had to ap plague to get
to that point. I think there's still this idea that
we have to hold women's brought to the same standards
(21:09):
of men, otherwise it's not fair when really, at the
end of the day, there are different yardsticks. But on
the odd occasion when someone like Kaitlyn Clark, particularly in
a sales metric, competes with them, it's like people's brains
short wire and they can't handle putting those two conversations
together and not being offended by it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's the offense, right,
We're in a cultural offense. So the culture wars that
exist and follow around Caitlin Clark follow around at to race,
follow around all of that.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Oh and we haven't even touched on the racial undertones,
of which we haven't for good reason. If you and
I are ever going to have those discussions, we're going
to have someone here who is educated enough on that
to have the discussion properly. But we're not ignoring the
elephant in the room, and that's a massive part of
the conversation as well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But I also, at.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The end of the day, love that people feel this
passionately about a female athlete.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I wonder how Caitlyn Clark, the not the entity, how
Caitlin Clarke the person, feels about it all? You know,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I can tell you she's on the private charter, sitting
in the back reading a book. That's what she's doing.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
She's not on social and when anyone asks her did
you see this? She blankly goes no, no, no, and
it's the only way you can live, the way you
can live.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And hey, look, just to round out this discussion with
a nice tie in for the fun fact is that
my best friend Taylor Swift said it best in her
incredible song Anti Hero where she compares herself to a.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Monster on the hill.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, she's just trying to be a human, but then
there's this bigger part of her that no one actually
knows and everyone's just scared of. And she's there ruining
everything and like just breaking down all the buildings like
Godzilla because it's not actually her as a person. So
for all of the toxic stands out there, I mean, hey,
I feel you, but maybe just let's let's just turn
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Let's turn it down.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Did you use the person that you're a toxic Stan
about to highlight that you shouldn't be a toxic Stan?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And just wait for it. In saying all the fat.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Fun fact, if Taylor Swift gets married at Madison Square Gardens,
I am revoking my Swifty card for a day, a
full day, a full day. I don't want her to
get married at Madison Square Garden unless I'm invited, but
I don't want her to get married there. What are
you talking about? Absolutely not? Oh sorry, I buried the lead, Jemmy,
(23:33):
remember your incredible segment.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Absolutely not absolutely no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
No, absolutely not. No to MSG. Taylor Swift, no to MSG.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Okay, I've got broncos merch for you. That hat, that
hat is mine. I'm going to be taking that off
your head. That is impeccable good. I'm actually lost words.
It's way too good. I yeah, look, it's a royal
it's a royal wedding. Apparently they're constructing a full on castle.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm actually so unhinged that I have now seen a
fan theory which is like psych, it's a actually, yeah,
she's psych. This is the decoy and she's launching her
record label, which I do think she will launch a
record label, and I do think that Somber will join
that record label. Anyway, that's a sidebar, but I hope
that to be true. I hope that to be true
because I also saw an incredible video online from a
(24:29):
fan that was just like, you cannot tell me that
Taylor Allison Swift miss take me to the Lakes where
all the Poets went to die? Is going to get
married at Madison's Quays.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Okay, I think between the Broncos and the Taylor Swift
you've had a bit going on. I'm gonna let you
take a deep breath. We will wait, we'll see what
happens here, but until next.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Week, pray for me. It's not an MSG.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Where did you get that hat?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
The principle f
Nobody watched women's sport until it became trendy in the news.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now hold on absolutely no.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
If you or I had ever won a green jacket,
do you think we'd ever take it off at the
beach in it?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Guess who's back back again?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Georgie's back with the plague. She went to Europe and
couldn't get out of bed for three days.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
But she's joining us ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls
days and EM's welcome to do good sports sports news
told differently, I maybe tell.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Me I'm Georgie Tunney. We're back, We're.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Back in business. We're back in business. Tell me I've
missed you. I've missed you. I've been all over the world.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You've also been on every podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I've been finding out things about you from other people's podcast,
which is quite offensive.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Truly, truly.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So if there's any big life announcements that you need
to make, this is your.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Pod, please, And I know that I know that, you know.
We always do hate this question. You know, how do
you fit it all in? I don't sleep, guys, So
this is yeah, we did all of that before we
jetted off, and it was all in line with like
book tours and stuff like that, and it's all been awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But yes, I am back. I am back now, I'm
back with you.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm back with you, dear listeners, and I'm very excited
to discuss all of the things that have been rolling
around in my head because there's been many, Yeah, it's
been many.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
What was actually given that you were in Europe and
you're across different parts of Europe? What was it like
the hype with the world car huge happening, Like could
you feel it on the street?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Could you see the colors? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes, I mean especially so I was in London and Paris,
so of course whenever you know England was playing, it
was if I was there for an England game, then
that was a different level. But I was only in
I was in Paris for one of France's games, and
that with the time difference, it started quite late at night.
I think it was like ten or eleven PM. And
the atmosphere there amazing. Everything just feels like slightly I
(02:02):
don't know if it feels like a movie. It feels
like a movie, like we're walking along the sand and
there's just in babe jerseys everywhere and people like pouring
out of like the Irish pub in the Marae and
it's just just such a such a vibe, such a vibe.
But then also I was very conscious of I mean,
we love the French, we love the French, Viva la France.
But you know if they if they win, the city
(02:24):
will burn to the ground. If they lose, the city
will burn to the ground. Like you know, they're a
very passionate, passionate fan.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that was fun.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It's interesting because the French are making football looks so
easy and the British are making it look so good,
so hard, Like they win, but they win by making
their fans have an actual panic attack before the end
of the match, like football's not coming whoa, or like
like well come on.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, I don't think it's coming home. But I
do think they might make the final. I mean, they're
definitely gonna get this the semis. I think, I think potentially,
look at.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Me already winding it back. Potentially maybe on a good day.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
My favorite thing is all the social media accounts that
are ripping into their intro videos or more the point,
the portraits.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That they got.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Why haven't you seen this? No, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Portraits? Oh? My god, the English football team.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
There's just the strangest lot of photos and even the
way that they decide to look down the barrel when
they're introduced. In all of their welcome clips, they have
been the center of parody because they all just didn't
get the memo of what they were meant to be doing.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's very, very funny. So if you want to look that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Up, I mean you and I both know, dear listener,
pick behind the veil. Those kind of photo shoots are
no joke because they're the most awkward things on Earth.
You and I have both stood in a midlank skirt
that's not going to be flattering on anyone holding some
kind of sporting paraphernalia.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Look China, eyeball the camera being like, yes, I belong here.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I have flat out refused to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You've never done it as in that as in they've
gone hold the Sharon and I'll go no, thank you,
I'll hold the mic. But this whole idea of like
me throwing the footy up, it's it's so dumb. It's
so dumb and like and the problem is everyone before
me has smiled and waved and taken it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Only everyone and everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
No, no, because I'm just like a photo of me
holding the foot like what for what purpose? Like towards
the end, I was just like, you know what, Richo's
really good at hold. He can do that and I'll
smile like, but I just I've no iota of me
believes that I'm an ex player, So why do I
have to hold I.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Mean, Dan j Dan's j I'm immediately going to be
looking at these this England team. I mean, I'm still
recovering from the Norwegian blood photo shoot.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
As you well very well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Know, sometimes God the Internet is a cess pit, but
also it brings me such joy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Sometimes good sport or bad sports? Should we probably?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Sorry, yeah, sorry guys, this is welcome to our catch up. No, no, no, okay,
good sport, bad sport. Let's continue with the actual mechanics
of this podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Who do I want to go with?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh? Good sport has to be my joint, my joint.
Defeating Serena Williams in at Wimbledon. Now, now, there was
part of me. It was part of me, and I'm
not proud of this part. Okay, I say that put
my hands up was part of me? Is a Serena
Williams Stan who wasn't very Australian about it. I was
a bit sad.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I was little a sad Lita sad that Maya won.
But no, nope, I recovered.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I recovered with grace, recovered with grace, and I thought,
you know what Maya, with your incredible last name as
an athlete joint just you know, it just does something
to my brain. I like it a lot, Well done,
well done, what a match you'll always remember knocking out
the people's princess Serena Williams from her come back to
tennis at forty four forty four, I know, but can
(05:31):
you I just want to have some sort of footage
of when the Wimbledon event plan I got the call going,
oh yes, Serena Williams would like a wild card. It's
that classic, like, oh yeah, I reckon, we can fight
and see it at the table for Serena Williams, Are
you out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And also just imagine just being there when she came
back out on the court. You know, Oh, those are
the moments where it was like, God, if only I
couldn't the court, I would love to have been there.
I mean, she did say that she hurt her knee.
I think she twined her knee against Maya, so hopefully
she will take to the court again with Venus.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
She said she wanted to play so her kids could
remember her playing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Oh, which is so sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Also to make you feel old, like I know, Serena's
forty four and Maya's like twenty nothing years of age.
When Maya was born, Serena had already won like six
or seven Grand slams.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And it's also like Maya delightful. We would love it
to have her on a pod. Very different personnel, very
different and I was just a little bit concerned for
al Maya that it might have been just such an
overawing experience, but she handled it, and she handled with grace.
Something that I'd like to bring up isn't the whole
(06:45):
thing with the green jacket and Augusta that the green
jacket isn't allowed to leave all that. No, that I
believe to be the terms right is that you win it,
and part of it being this weird, Yes, they do
a dinner golf's bloody strain, but you win the jacket
and you're only allowed to wear it when you're at Augusta.
That was my understand That was my understanding of the jackets, right.
(07:09):
So to see him what saut at Wimbledon with his jacket,
which it's been a very jackety Wimbledon.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Has everyone's everyone's say Nomia Saker and been like, I'll
do that, Yanick.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I've got it on my notes to talk to you about. Jelmy.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did you see Yanick in the floor the flawless ankle
length I can only be described as a gown coat.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I was like, thank you Gucci, Thank you, mister Gucci.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He literally doesn't miss man. But there's been layers going
on here. But Rory decided to rock up in a
green I.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Will argue, I don't think it was a real green
jacket there.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think it was a replica.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think he wore fake one.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I think you wore a replica and no one's gonna
question it because he's not going to take it off, okay,
I no Vak Djokovic was like, sir, I want your
jacket haha.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of course he was going to say that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I love your rendition still ha ha, and also.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Just unnecessary flexing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Is it unnecessary?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Though? You know him?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I love this. I love when the people are just like,
oh that they can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
If I tell me, if you or I had ever
won a green jacket, do you think we'd ever take
it off? We're at the beach in it like hello.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I would be the Grench. I would paint myself green.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So people would be like why, and I'd be like, well,
so it matches my jacket that I'm not allowed to wear,
although apparently you are.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's layers to it. There's way too many layers.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Our main discussion today is something that was brought to attention.
The social media landscape is a really weird world. We
put a lot of effort and our team put a
lot of effort into bringing new clips that we think
that you'll find interesting. But this one, this one didn't
really I don't know when we posted it. I don't
think we envisaged that twenty five thousand people would like it,
(08:46):
over five hundred people would reshare it. At this point,
it's over seven hundred comments, three hundred and fifty thousand
views for US highlighting that Kaitlin Clark has sold a
lot of jerseys. L Clark ranks as number two in
overall US basketball jersey sales. Really so it goes Steph Curry,
(09:09):
Caitlyn Clark, Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
No, way above Lebron?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
What above Lebron?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh, my god, believable. Jeez love it. We love that,
love it.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I love fun fact love it.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Turns out there's a fair bit going on with our
friend Kaitlyn Clark that we might not have realized that
we pulled the pin on that grenade and lobbed it
out to the internet because they're essentially saying, Georgie that
the WNBA hates her.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Is what a lot of commentary is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Are we going to read some of the seven hundred comments, No,
because some of them are horrendous. But it's a really
interesting one for me because we know the synergy between
her rise and the rise of women's sports and the
new bargaining agreement that WNBA has that's seen her wage
alone go from seventy eight thousand US to her latest
one being five hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And twenty eight thousand.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's the height that we've seen for WNBA athletes and
she has to be at the centerpiece of that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, she definitely does. She definitely does.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's such a bizarre twist, a plot twist. Shall we
say in what we definitely were not expecting, but we are.
We're going to dive into that next with exactly why
potentially it got you all so bloody fired up. So jemy,
(10:32):
I know that we don't want to necessarily go through
every single comment that has appeared underneath our content about
Caitlin Clark, because look, you are right, a lot of
it is a cesspit. As we've said about the internet
can be great, a lot of times it is a sesspit,
and it's that way for a reason. However, I did
want to draw attention to one particular comment that actually
had me going, well, hang on a second. Nobody watched
(10:53):
women's sport until it became trendy in the news. Now
hold on, just factually incorrect, factually incorrect, and I still
would argue that it's not necessarily trendy. However, Kaitlyn Clark,
whenever that name appears in the news, it's certainly trends
for better or for worse. You and I probably we
(11:14):
have been on the periphery of this full disclosure. We
are not necessarily day in day out WNBA officionados.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We support it as a league.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We love women's sport, we hate the term, but we
love women's sport, We love our female athletes. We've done
episodes of this podcast before where we've talked about in depth,
you know, Kaitlyn Clark's impact effect on the game when
she was drafted number one in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Four, and we've had Beck Allen on who's playing for
New York Livity, talking about what it's like to play
over in the States in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's ten years exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
What it has become very clear though, is that she
is as a figure, as an entity. I'm not necessarily
going to say as a person, because I think that,
you know, there's a level of height of this discourse
where you actually forget that she's a person with like
real feelings in hundred percent, she becomes like an entity.
And it's clear that within this discourse that the entity
(12:04):
of Caitlyn Clark is polarizing, very polarizing to a lot
of people, whether that be sports fans, casual sports fans,
basketball fans, general public, people who sit on one side
of American politics, people who sit on the other side
of American politics, the officials, the actual basketball heads. Everyone
seems to have an opinion about this player.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And a lot of the time when we say see
polarizing figures, particularly in I don't know the Australian media
not naming any names that have.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Been at the forefront of that in the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But these people invite it, right, you can see that
they're trying to incite this sort of division or hate.
I don't think you can say that, and I don't
think anyone can fairly say that about Caitlyn Clark. She
is off the radar as she can possibly be. She
doesn't have social media, she gets out there. She just
wants to play. And this rhetoric around the fact that
she's being heavily fouled and the refs aren't doing anything
(12:59):
about it is point one.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Point two.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Is this idea that is she the best person to
be an ambassador for the league? Is really what the
question is and how the other players and the other
stars around her react to the fact there's a gaping
chasm between the interest in her and what the interest
is in everyone else. And I don't think you can
say that that's her fault. Like some of the conversations
(13:24):
again that are happening in these comments, that is giving
us an idea, Yes, you've got to be so sensitive
to comments on social media, having the highest of piers
and the lowest of lows, but it can give you
an idea to what people want to talk about. And
a lot of talk is about Angel Rees and these
different names, being resentful of the attention that she gets.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I feel as someone who has met Angel Rees and
has interviewed Angel Rees, and has spoken to you Angel
Reese about Caitlin Clark. So for those who do not
know throughout, I would say their entire kind of playing careers,
like from college into turning pro in the WNBA like this,
This is the pairing that's been pitted against each other.
They've played a lot of ball against each other. They're
(14:05):
always whenever Kaitlyn Clarks mentioned Angel racings to get pulled
into it and vice versa. There's die hard Race fans
that thinks that she gets hard done by by not
getting the headline she deserves because everyone focuses on Clark.
And then there's Clark fans that are just like Reese,
isn't even that good? We need to give more attention
to Caitlyn.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Very very different approaches. Right in the Angel races on
the cover of Vogue. She goes to the met like
she really invites that attention as well, which is all
part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Of course she can't oh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
All part of it, all part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But having talked to her about Caitlyn and about that relationship,
I genuinely got the vibe that she was just like,
it really doesn't affect my day to dad.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Like, yeah, we just if it's was that the response?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, she was kind of just like, you know, like
we've played together, we play against each other a lot,
respect each other, like we're gonna play hard against each other,
like on the court. But I don't know, I don't
think they're best friends. I didn't get that vibe. But also,
why would they need to be? You know, the rivalry itself,
though undoubtedly is both good and bad for the league.
It's great because it creates that attention, it creates that
(15:05):
trending narrative, it creates that clickbait for better or worse.
But then you are drawing more eyes that you wouldn't
necessarily get too a women's league.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And speaking of eyes on the league, there was a
commemorative poster brought out for the WNBA and it was
quite interesting that there wasn't Caitlin Clark wasn't featured in
it in celebrating the league in its history. But the
argument being that the producers of said poster didn't have
the right to use her image. So this is the
other thing you can find any evidence that you want
(15:34):
to support your argument in that she's having a rough time.
She having a great time. What we can tell you
is the difference between what her earnings were in twenty
twenty five, being the WNBA paying her seventy eight thousand
dollars as a rookie as opposed to Nike paying her
twenty eight million dollars over eight years.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And that was just Nike. She's Gatorade.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And we all remember that billboard when she was making
the shot, right, Like she has had to weather being
at the forefront of this and being a rookie. And
I just think, like at the end of the day,
we sit back and the eighteen million people that tuned in,
and there's so many people in the US, so they
can be these unbelievable amount of eyes. But those people
that tuned in to watch her in her rookie games,
(16:15):
in her games as she was coming out, I just
think it's such a powerful example of how one person
can change sport and how clearly one person can dominate
a conversation, which is what we've seen.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I agree with you, I do agree with you. I
also think though, that when it comes to Caitlyn Clark
and Angel Reese, but the WNBA in general, it also
shines a light on this god. It's my favorite word
of the episode trend that we keep seeing of the
parasocial fan. Right as someone who has intimate knowledge of
being a parasocial fan, we'rektops and definitely with the internet rhetoric,
(16:52):
a lot of the time, Caitlyn is positioned as this victim,
being like everyone plays so hard against her. They should.
She's the best. She's the best. Everyone plays like they're
dirtiest against her. Yeah, okay, she's again, she's the best,
So they've got to try and like beat her in
some kind of way. And Andrew Lawrence made mentioned that,
you know, when Michael Jordan was coming up through his
(17:13):
rookie seasons, his first few seasons, he got absolutely bombarded.
But it's like these players have to rise above. And
I would say that Caitlyn, in terms of her encore performances.
She's just going through what so many people do when
they have that impossible standard that they are held to,
which is they've dropped off a little bit because you
can't actually keep going like that when everyone commons onto
the fact that you're amazing and hey, let's have a
(17:33):
game plan just taking let's like take you down. So
I think that she herself is as a player, is
still adjusting to that and adapting to that, and it
is probably not being treated fairly by anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Really. Yeah, it's the decoss of it all.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, in a really strange analogy from Caitlyn Clark. But
as you were talking about that, like, you know, Nick
Daekos doesn't have the strongest start to the year, and
you've got Fly being like, yeah, because he's been tagged
within an inch of his life, Like he's getting treated
differently from every other player, Like these players are held
to different accords, and they're also you know, there's people
(18:09):
that will love Nick Dakos or hate Nick Dakos before
he touches the ball because of his name and his
brand and this idea that one person can be bigger
than a club and bigger than the league, and every
time the AFL post Nick Dakos or don't post Nick Daykos.
If you look at the AFL's account, all the comments
are like you couldn't help but put Nick in here,
could you? Or if they didn't be like buy a
(18:30):
lotto ticket. There's a post where the AFL have refrained
from using Nick Dakos. He's part of the conversation, whether
he wants to be or not. And you've got Tazzy,
who don't even have a team yet, joking about signing
him constantly.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Because that it's what entices conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
And at the end of the day, even though some
of this discourse is terrible, we're like, have the conversation
on our page.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh yea please?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, like so come come chat with us in the
same way that people use your Nick Dakos as I'm
sure they use your Michael Jordan back in the day.
And these are the names that if you want to
transcend sport, you've got to be able to play with
the heat.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you think there's also an element to this, and
again I reiterate we hate the term women's sport, but
as more and more women's sports, women's codes become fully professional,
I also think there's an adjustment period from the wider
media in terms of how we criticize our players and
how we criticize athletes in a way that we would
(19:31):
male athletes. I still don't think we're there when it
comes to the AFLW in particular. We're getting better with
the NRLW Olympians is kind.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Of a sidebar.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think that a lot of even just casual sports
fans don't might be like, you, you sucked, and it's like, okay, cool,
I'm still number four in the world, but yeah, cool.
So I think that that still people are learning, People
are learning to actually view these professional athletes with that
kind of lens too, And I think that that is
also part of the conversation when it comes to Caitlin
clark is potential. There's an immaturity there when it comes
(20:01):
to the analysis of her.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Play, and an immaturity to the fact that the stat
that we highlighted was across men's and women's. We weren't
talking about the highest selling women's jersey. We were talking
about the highest selling basketball jerseys in the US. And
of course it started in twenty twenty four, because I
don't know that's when you could start buying Caitlyn Clark
jerseys and people were absolutely like losing it going well,
(20:26):
of course if you wanted a Lebron jersey, you already
had one. That's great, but we can't backdate it to
when what like this is these are numbers like we
can't help this. And I do think that it's interesting,
you know, and good friend of the Poul Kate McCarthy,
and we're going to have her on. Recently she's playing
a Legends game and someone highlighted that she'd played like,
(20:46):
I think it's forty two, forty four matches, being like,
how can you be a Legend when you've only played
this many games? And it's like, do you know how
limited their seasons are and do you know like the
different football that wouldn't have been rated as AFLW yet
that she would have had to ap plague to get
to that point. I think there's still this idea that
we have to hold women's brought to the same standards
(21:09):
of men, otherwise it's not fair when really, at the
end of the day, there are different yardsticks. But on
the odd occasion when someone like Kaitlyn Clark, particularly in
a sales metric, competes with them, it's like people's brains
short wire and they can't handle putting those two conversations
together and not being offended by it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's the offense, right,
We're in a cultural offense. So the culture wars that
exist and follow around Caitlin Clark follow around at to race,
follow around all of that.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Oh and we haven't even touched on the racial undertones,
of which we haven't for good reason. If you and
I are ever going to have those discussions, we're going
to have someone here who is educated enough on that
to have the discussion properly. But we're not ignoring the
elephant in the room, and that's a massive part of
the conversation as well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But I also, at.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The end of the day, love that people feel this
passionately about a female athlete.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I wonder how Caitlyn Clark, the not the entity, how
Caitlin Clarke the person, feels about it all? You know,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I can tell you she's on the private charter, sitting
in the back reading a book. That's what she's doing.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
She's not on social and when anyone asks her did
you see this? She blankly goes no, no, no, and
it's the only way you can live, the way you
can live.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And hey, look, just to round out this discussion with
a nice tie in for the fun fact is that
my best friend Taylor Swift said it best in her
incredible song Anti Hero where she compares herself to a.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Monster on the hill.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, she's just trying to be a human, but then
there's this bigger part of her that no one actually
knows and everyone's just scared of. And she's there ruining
everything and like just breaking down all the buildings like
Godzilla because it's not actually her as a person. So
for all of the toxic stands out there, I mean, hey,
I feel you, but maybe just let's let's just turn
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Let's turn it down.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Did you use the person that you're a toxic Stan
about to highlight that you shouldn't be a toxic Stan?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And just wait for it. In saying all the fat.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Fun fact, if Taylor Swift gets married at Madison Square Gardens,
I am revoking my Swifty card for a day, a
full day, a full day. I don't want her to
get married at Madison Square Garden unless I'm invited, but
I don't want her to get married there. What are
you talking about? Absolutely not? Oh sorry, I buried the lead, Jemmy,
(23:33):
remember your incredible segment.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Absolutely not absolutely no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
No, absolutely not. No to MSG. Taylor Swift, no to MSG.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Okay, I've got broncos merch for you. That hat, that
hat is mine. I'm going to be taking that off
your head. That is impeccable good. I'm actually lost words.
It's way too good. I yeah, look, it's a royal
it's a royal wedding. Apparently they're constructing a full on castle.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm actually so unhinged that I have now seen a
fan theory which is like psych, it's a actually, yeah,
she's psych. This is the decoy and she's launching her
record label, which I do think she will launch a
record label, and I do think that Somber will join
that record label. Anyway, that's a sidebar, but I hope
that to be true. I hope that to be true
because I also saw an incredible video online from a
(24:29):
fan that was just like, you cannot tell me that
Taylor Allison Swift miss take me to the Lakes where
all the Poets went to die? Is going to get
married at Madison's Quays.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Okay, I think between the Broncos and the Taylor Swift
you've had a bit going on. I'm gonna let you
take a deep breath. We will wait, we'll see what
happens here, but until next.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Week, pray for me. It's not an MSG.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Where did you get that hat?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
The principle f
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