What do you do when your child starts lying about the small stuff - brushing teeth, making mess, or sneaking tiny treasures home from school? This week on Dear Wiggles, Simon and Lachy talk about those everyday moments when children test the truth, and how to call it out without turning it into a big shame spiral.
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Simon Pryce
Lachy Gillespie
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Think you’ve got parenting figured out? So do Simon and Lachy - until the toddler throws a curveball. On Wiggle Talk - a podcast for parents, Red Wiggle Simon Pryce and Purple Wiggle Lachy Gillespie tackle the tricky, funny, and unexpected moments of raising little humans.
Simon, dad to son Asher, and Lachy, father to twin daughters Lulu and Lottie and stepdad to Jasper, share the highs and lows of parenting in the early years. Alongside their own stories, they welcome guests - from parenting experts to well-known personalities - who bring fresh perspectives and practical wisdom to the table.
Each week also features Dear Wiggles- where listeners send in their questions, the things that keep them up at night, or the dilemmas they’d love another parent’s take on. Simon and Lachy talk it through with honesty, and when needed, they call in expert friends to help provide thoughtful advice and reassurance.
With decades of experience in children’s education and entertainment, The Wiggles bring their trademark warmth and playfulness to conversations on everything from sleep and routines to tantrums, play, and the big feelings that come with family life.
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Episode Transcript
The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia
and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay
our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A very big welcome to Wiggle Talk. It's a podcast
for parents. My name is Locky and I am the
Purple Wig.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello Locky. My name is Simon and I am the
Red Wiggle. Hello Simon, Hello Locky. How's school been going
for the girls?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Pretty good? Pretty good? Overall? They come home very happy.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Are they tired when they get home?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Shattered?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Starving?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah? But happy?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
How's that?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Sha? Yeah, he's good. Maggie Dent when we spoke to
her ages ago, she said, talked about pick them up.
They need to eat and do a poop. Yeah, and
that seems to be quite That's quite true now.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Isn't a remarkable how they just hold it on. Yeah,
minds don't think about it, or they just tell themselves
don't think about it. As soon as they walk literally
in the door.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, we've got the toilet.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
How do you do that? I wish I could do it.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm quite regular. We've been there before. We won't talk
about it now, but what I've had that ashes tired,
but he doesn't burn off the same amount of energy
used to. And so now we've ended up in this
kind of which we've never done before. We kind of
have these little wrestling things that go on, Oh yeah,
which I like, but I mean, he just wants to
beat me, and I just kind of allowed. I mean,
(01:29):
he's not going to hurt me, but he just needs
to get this energy out of his system, which is
really fascinating. Yep. And I guess at preschool that you
would run around a lot more, a lot more free play,
a lot more. Now seen in the classroom they get
their lunch before they then go out and have a
bit of play, he's not burning that same amount of
energy even though he's chattered.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Did that just start with him coming home one day
and just tackling.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It started off as we had this book about just
about things about the world, and it was that Chinese
opera where they do acrobatics and Chinese opera where they'd
fight each other and sing. So we started out is
like seeing calls it acrobatics, but now it just calls
(02:16):
it acrobatics, but what it really is is just having
a bit of fighting.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Lulu now asks. She just runs towards the bedroom and says, daddy,
dot's play tackle.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
On the bed.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
The bed spot for it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But then she goes to kick me and calls it
piati because she can't say cool, she can't say karate,
but she thinks it's PIATI does this massive, big jump kick.
I love it, and it does. It's exhaustsome and there's
definitely some kind of research.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Even.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I even think before bed, where you hold them that tightly,
it does something.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You're just justifying your behavior or you wind them up
before bed. Is that what you're trying to do?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Ashes nails sharp?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes because there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Have been I think I've got one of my lips
every single week I come back to Sydney and I
am covered in I've got to scratch on my shoulder.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You bought a cat brutal.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I get habard bleeding lips. I think every single weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, it's it is. It's fascinating, isn't It's interesting that
the girls are the same. Yeah. I've just got to
get this energy out of them. I love it. Yeah,
You've always been a bit of a wrestler.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I have jasper and I wrestled.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
For years physically as well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He's so strong because what happens. It hasn't gone like
this lately. It's more just Lulu and I starting, and
then a lot you will come in and put socks
on her hands and try to golden sock girl. But
it used to be all three of them, and I
had to actively be trying to go, Okay, I've got
jasper here.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Don't let the girls fall off the bit like it gets.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Because he's so strong, I actually have to put most
of my focus onto him, and then.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Little jump on my head and it's just it's a chaos.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I have to I'm glad you're going through it too.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Then fighting on the bed, Yeah, it's one of the
great what's it called rough housing?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Rough housing?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Is that a Maggie? I think that's Maggie Sandwich, pooh
and rough That's.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Right, story of my life. But it's time to Wiggles,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, weigle talk Talk Talk, wiggle Talk.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It's near Wiggles, authorized by Simon Locke. Yeah, it's the
part of the show where we hear from you the
audience have written a question and this one's from Lucy
and Lucy writes, take it away, Locky.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Dear Wiggles.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
We seem to have hit a stage where my daughter
tells little lies about the most random, everyday things, whether
she's cleaned her teeth, who made the mess, whether she's
already done what I've asked now. None of it is
big or serious, but it happens often enough that I've
started wondering, is my daughter just that kid now the liar.
I've spoken to her about the importance of telling the truth,
(04:50):
but she always seems to come back with another lie.
Have your kids ever gone through a phase like this?
And how did you handle it? And that's from Lucy.
Thank you, Lucy. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It is a good one, as she does a little bit,
but it's never about the commonplace things about whether he's
done a task, about brushing teeth or I can't really
think of an example except I just looked down on
my shoe before and it's worn off. I put my
white shoes on the other day and there was a
black cross tread text. And I do remember he and
(05:23):
his cousins were over the weekend before and shoes went
missing out of the shoe cupboard, and they were playing
some game with them, and then there was a black cross.
You can still see the faint outline of it. And
I said to Asher, I said, because he always I
should never wear white shoes around me. He always stands
on my shoes always, and so the white shoes are
(05:44):
always dirty. And I said, Ashua, there seems to be
like a black cross made from a texture on my shoe.
Did you have anything to do with that? And he
said no. I said, do you know anyone who had
anything to do with He said no. I said, well
I did find this shoe up in your bedroom. And
he kind of stuck to his no. But I don't
think he did it one of his cousins, and he's
(06:06):
protecting his cousins. Yeah, But so the live thing happens.
I think if we ever feel like he is lying,
we just continue to call him out on it, basically,
and he might not ever say that he lied or
say the truth, but he knows that we know. And
we've kind of taken that line with it. What are
the girls like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, Lucy, we've just had just last weekend. When we
check the kids' school uniforms, it's actually really cute, but
there's tiny minute one was it actually happened at the
dinner table and a little piece of one of the
you know the lego little flowers, the three little storks.
You put in one of them, a tiny little like bell,
(06:45):
like a bee that would go on a tiny collar
or something like little tiny things.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, ask the girls. I'm like, oh, what what's this?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And you could see straight away that it was taken
from school. Little tiny things have just come back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I didn't know we're going for thieving, but.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like in a really sweet way that just little tiny
knick knacks, nothing that you'd notice.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But it was just really interesting watching their reactions.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, and I won't say who, but they get quite embarrassed.
And then I went into the room so I could
talk to them properly, and I just said to what happened,
And it was more like, oh, so and so told
me to take it, like no, and again I just
(07:31):
said no, no, No, they didn't, and if they did,
you don't. You don't listen to someone say take something.
But you could just tell it was they just wanted
to have it so they could just keep it in
whether they's put it in their pocket because it's got
a zip, and then just forget about it at the
end of the day, but I made sure to say
that we're going to take these little tiny things back
to school. You can keep playing with them. We don't
(07:53):
take anything. We certainly don't. Like we've always said, done
is set up forever that we have no secrets in
the house and to the point where the kids now
just repeat it. We don't know if I say something
about a secret without thinking, we don't have secrets, so
which is.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Slightly different to lying.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But then Danna said, I feel like that's a developmental
stage with kids about just that whole way.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
With how much they can push the boundaries, and Lucy's
kind of writing about it. I guess it's because it's
something we all go through. Yeah, at a stage where
your child is just sort of pushing the boundaries, the
scene where they can and can't get away with. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The other example actually was the other girl.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Some people never grow out of it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
The other little girl found a ring on the same day.
It was a little kiddy ring, and they're not allowed
jewelry at school, so it must have been a child
take it either fell out of a backpack or but
then wanted to keep it, and we just had the
big chat about We imagine if you'd lost something like
that and someone just went, oh, my car, don't know
whose it is, so I'll take it home.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So you have all those I think that you can just.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Chat about it and as you said, call it out,
not in a negative way at all, just like that.
Let's just you'll feel really good for taking it back.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
This isn't so much about lying. But they're also the
if Ashua thinks he's got an answer to something which
is completely wrong, but he is definite about it and says, no,
that's what it is. I've often grappled with whether he's
so firm about it, whether you actually go, well, no,
you're wrong, it's actually this. But I actually just let
(09:26):
it go because he feels empowered about the fact that
he knows an answer to something it might not be
necessarily correct, and who knows whether he tells all his
friends about that. But you know it's a funny one,
isn't it. But I think we're lying. I think it
is you need to call them out. Yeah, and they
know that you're lying, And you know it's funny even
(09:47):
in the house, isn't it. When something goes quiet, you think, hmm,
you just get an instinct. Now you know that they're
up to something.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But the last thing you want, and that's you know it,
is for them to start learning that's going to get
a real bad reaction because then it'll just start getting
worse and it'll get more secretive. Yeah, without having any judgment,
but just having an open conversation going what happened, let's
take it whatever, let's let's not do that. But yeah,
I say, I think I said at the time, you're
(10:16):
not in trouble having something in your pocket.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, that's right.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
We just finding out what Yeah, we did the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
When we realize something's gone a bit amiss, we always say, look,
you're not getting it in trouble, just talk to us
about it. And I think if you can. Our aim
is to set that up very early to hope that
when they are older and if they are in trouble
they want to actually will come and if they have
done something wrong which they might feel shamed about or
embarrassed about, they still have the ability to come and
talk to about it. And that's kind of leaving that
(10:45):
communication open. But yeah, it's a funny one, but it
can be quite funny for each But I think Lucy
I think it's very normal. I think it's a very
common thing that we're all going through. Hopefully, it's all
just moves on and it's all just another developmental stage.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That is us for today, or is it.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Thank you, Simon, I'm really happy to be here. That's true.
That's the truth. That is true.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If you've got a question you love us to tackle
on der Wiggle, send it through to podcasts at the
Wiggles dot com dot au.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah tackle see Oh yeah, it's in there. Yeah, that's right.
That's what's we're all about, tackling.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We're playing it tonight for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But thanks for listening to will Talk, a podcast for parents. Goodbye,
bye bye.
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