February 17, 2025 • 32 mins
Roger Severino, VP of Domestic Policy at Heritage and Trump's former Director of the Office of Civil Rights (HHS) and Hans von Spakovsky, Manager, Election Law Reform Initiative and Senior Legal Fellow, Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies join to discuss what is and isn’t legal about the actions that DOGE is taking. Hans had an article out last week also detailing how this was not the first time a President had an advisory council:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, thanks scotch On an hour two Sean Hannity Show,
eight hundred and ninety four one, Shawn our number if
you want to be a part of the program. The
freak out over Doge continues as they dug up another
one point nine billion dollars in taxpayer money misplaced quote
by the Biden man, how do you misplays one point
nine billion? You know, how is it? We're now you
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know about where we're facing what is a massive, massive
debt in this country. And you know, the idea that
somehow Donald Trump saying, okay, this has got to stop.
The American taxpayers were deceived. They did not They did
not spell out where this money was being spent, or
how was being spent, or her radical you know, this
(00:46):
money abroad was And as a result, as the American
people get more and more aware of it, they're just
getting sick and tired of it. Most Democrats remain in
freak out mode and they will forever stay there, probably
throughout the entire Trump presidency. Lee Zeldon announced a fifty
million dollar environmental justice contract that he had to cancel
(01:09):
for the Palestinians and Republicans, by the way, are unleashing
something that was first put in place by Thomas Jefferson himself,
which is the empowerment clause, which is the practice of
declining to spend funds provided by Congress. And I think
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they will be successful in that effort, you know, considering
our founders, framers were very clear about their belief in
limited government greater freedom. But the bottom line freak out continues.
Although there are a couple of Democrats interestingly that you know,
we saw the Obama guys in their little podcasts, Pod
(01:50):
Save America whatever it is, saying you know what, and
we think of this idea. Well, you have some Democrats
now admitting, oh DOJ is a good idea? Good? Maybe
they'll maybe they'll put their money where their mouth is
and their votes where their mouth is. Let's listen.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I think we're missing the vote as Democrats. And
all I'm saying is that sometimes it's better to join
them and actually play a role in how the strategy works,
rather than so pathetically, frankly try to combat something that
clearly is a steamroller. And Democrats are being steamrolled and
I'm deeply concerned about that. Yes, Musk is not elected,
he has no accountability other than Donald Trump, and that's
(02:28):
a frightening combination.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, and then we add the people you know very well,
be very clear up front, you do not want to
some responsible conservative Republican who's going to save us for this. Yeah,
well they didn't come. They're not there. Okay, let's just
get over it. They're not coming to Calvary's not coming
to courts, are not coming, and they need nothing. And
(02:51):
where do we pick our fights.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
We all the government can be inefficient. We all know
that the bureaucracy can be bloated. We all worked in
the White House. We tried to reorganize the government. We
tried to find efficiency. It's hard to do.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And honestly, some of.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This is pretty annoying because some of the stuff we
should have done. Yeah, yeah, you could.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Do some of them.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You just got to talk shin zam. You're like, I
can dig these dojah cats. Oh, pretty interesting their reaction
to this. We're going to be joined in a minute
by Hans von Spakowski and Rogers Everino. But Hans, in
an article said, like spoiled children finally being told no
by their parents, bureaucrats beneficiaries of wasteful government largess are
(03:29):
howling at the shock waves that the Department of Government
Efficiency is now sending through Washington. NBC called it an
unprecedented effort to shrink the federal workforce and slash programs. Well,
not exactly, you know. And and the second part of
this story, the untold part of this story is, you know,
why were it you know, why weren't the inspectors generals
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doing their job, which you know they're now removed. How
do we have a GAO report? I believe that came out.
What that showed two hundred and thirty six billion taxpayer
dollars wasted last year alone by the Biden administration. You know,
at what point does it become a financial national emergency
to examine every line item in every single bill so
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that this waste, fraud, abuse, and I'm sure corruption associated
with it when we get to the bottom line, is
being squandered and while the average American toils away making
sixty six thousand dollars a year, At some point we've
got to admit this is just utter madness and insanity
and it's unsustainable. And yet you're you're gonna get to
the point, you know where debt to GDP ratio is
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going to be so high, is going to be higher
than at any point during World War two, and that
becomes an unsustainable economy. That is not an economy where
any country can flourish. And we've seen this happen abroad.
Rogers Sevorino, Vice President Domestic Policy, Heritage Foundation, and also
Hans van Spokovski is with us, and he, of course
(05:03):
has this article, is the managing Election Law Reform Initiative
and senior legal fellow at the EDME Center for Legal
and Judicial Studies. Guys, good to have you both. Hans.
I read your article. I thought it was extraordinarily well done,
and that's exactly what's happening. They are. They're acting like
spoiled children that have finally been set you know, told no.
But I think a bigger story that will unfold over
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time is that the degree to which they hid this
from congressional oversight and from inspectors generals, well.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
That is absolutely true. And the fact that they're getting
so upset is because it's being exposed. And look, you know,
most people, the public particularly, we believe in transparency, but
they are very upset that all this besizarre crazy, in fact,
(05:54):
dangerous spending is coming to light. You know, the biggest
thing about this Sean is they keep saying it unprecedented.
It's not unprecedented. Eisen Dwight Eisenhower, when he got elected,
he came in and said, boy, this government is wasteful,
it's inefficient. And you know, he actually formed a committee.
(06:16):
His committee was called the Committee on Government Organization. It
was composed of his brother and a very rich, successful
business guy named Nelson Rockefeller. And is all this sound familiar?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It sounds familiar. And I can give you another attempt
to limit the seis scope influencer government. And unfortunately, Congress
didn't do a thing to act on any of the
recommendations of the famous Grace Commission. During the Reagan years,
these were the best, brightest business minds in the country
and they were tasked with with trying to come up
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with ways to make the government more efficient and Roger
the Congress adopted none of them. And Reagan's, you know,
hands were tied at the time, and Trump's, his hands
are not going to be tied at the end of
the day. This is not going to be something that
is going to fly with the American people. Once the
American people understand the magnitude of fraud, waste, abuse, and corruption.
(07:14):
It's going to be a ninety ten issue. I don't
even think their own party in the end will support it.
In spite of all the hysteria, the singing, you know,
the screaming and you know, ranting and raving. I don't
think it's going to work well.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Elon Musk. He actually tweeted that al Gore was the
one who spearheaded reinventing government and all these clips of
him saying We're going to end waste, fraud and abuse
over and over again. Well, Doge is actually doing it
for once, actually doing it, and it reminds me of
COVID when all the kids had to do remote learning
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and the parents finally figured out, this is the drivel
that my kids are being exposed to. And that's what's
happening now. Now we're finally discovering where all this money went.
If we're spending you know, a billion dollars for DEI
all across the world using USAAD funds, or we're funding
immigrants in hotels in downtown Manhattan did a tune of
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eighty million dollars that is now being called backco. We're
saying whoahoa, whoa. This is not what we signed up for.
Where's my hotel? Where's my free food? You know, we're
struggling here. We have inflation for the last you know,
five years. What about us? Why are we wasting all
this money without accountability? And actually, finally there's some accountability.
(08:32):
Those DHS deep staters who authorize that funding for the
hotel for migrants contrary to the President's orders are now fired.
That would have never happened before Trump and before Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And you know, Hans, if you go back, remember we
had a group in Washington that was somewhat influential citizens
against government waste, and they would find examples, egregious examples
of government misspending, nothing on the scale of what we're
looking at here. I mean this this is you know,
human growth hormones, steroids, maximum doses, and you know, I
(09:07):
remember reading one hundred and nine thousand dollars to studying
the mating habits of the Japanese quail, and you know
is and I won't spend the time to go through
the massive list of what they have discovered so far,
but at the magnitude of this is you're talking about
at the end of the day, there is going to
be hundreds of billions of dollars. In my interview with
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Elon Musk, he thinks that'll go over a trillion dollars.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Oh, I agree. And look, the problem in the past
was that even when that kind of thing was discovered,
nothing was done about it. And here we actually have
an administration and we have heads of major cabinet departments
who are doing something about it. I mean, the new
head of the Department Agriculture has already canceled two hundred
(09:53):
million dollars in bizarre spending on outside contracts of of
all kind. We've got us AID being shut down, which
has been spending huge amounts of money on ridiculous projects.
So they're actually trying to do something about it. And
that also, that is that has not been done before.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, it's not been done before, and to this extent,
I mean as you go agency by agency by agency,
and I think part of Look, the mainstream media is
just screaming and yelling about it. And the question I
have is where have they been. I mean, they all
claim to be journalists, they all claim, you know, to
(10:38):
be at the top of their profession. I argue that
legacy media is dead. Why why didn't they ever discover this, Roger?
Why didn't they ask questions? How was the Biden administration
you know, so successful of in terms of their ability
to ignore Congressional oversight, which is, you know, their constitutional function.
(10:59):
And when the likes of Joanie Earnst and the House
Oversight Committee and other different committees were looking into how
the monies were actually spent, you know, all they did
is steimy them, a stonewall them, and then give them
broad interpretations of how the money is being spent without
any of the specificity that we now knew existed the
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whole time.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Yeah, so why doesn't the media report on it? Well,
because they're in on it too. We've discovered that political
was getting millions of dollars in these subscriptions beyond the
regular This is a political pro hundreds of thousands and
millions of dollars. So the media was in on it too.
They're being funded by the federal government. So this is
(11:43):
the shocking thing that's being discovered. Why is it that
the media is getting you know, grants or any sort
of funding from the federal So.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They weren't being subsidized that we could confirm that this
is all subscription money.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
These were subscriptions.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, quick break more with Roger Severino and Hans Polkovsky,
who will join us on the other side. We'll get
to your calls going up as well. Eight hundred and
ninety four one sean is our number. All right, we continue.
Hans von Spakovski and Roger Severino is with us talking
about the issue of Doze in the left wing freakout.
Let me play Al Gore in nineteen ninety three, which
(12:19):
you mentioned. I mean, it is funny, you know, this
is how far the Democratic Party has come or how
low they've sunk.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
This report tells us out of cut waste, cut red tape,
streamline the bureaucracy, change procurement rule, change the personnel rules,
and create a government that works better and costs less.
I've read it and where it says the president should
the president will.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Oh that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump and
Elon Musk, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Roger, yeah, does so? Why is it that we're spending
seventy thousand dollars for a DII musical in Ireland forty
seven thousand for a transgender opera in Colombia? One point
five million for DEI in Serbia's workplaces. Right, these sorts
of things should never have happened, and somebody was asleep
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at the wheel, and too many people were benefiting from it.
The deep state was hiding it. This is all coming
to an end finally, But here's one thing that has
to be reported on more. If judges led it, so
law Fair against Trump sailed. Now they're trying to stop
law Trump's agenda through law Fair. So now all these
injunctions trying to prevent Trump from blocking the funds, trying
(13:35):
to prevent Trump from executing on his executive orders.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But this is one oh one right out of the
democratic liberal democratic playbook, which is what they can't get
accomplished at the ballot box, what they can't get done legislatively,
they go to the courts and they hope they find
liberal activist judges that will help, at a minimum, delay
the process of a duly elected president fulfilling his promises.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Right, yeah, that's right. These federal judges are now becoming
essentially federal employees because they are micromanaging individual grants, they
are micromanaging what's being put on a website. So they
were ordered to restore CDC websites pages on how to
treat certain diseases, even though it had the gender ideology
(14:21):
from the Biden era department, Right, who is running the department,
Who's running CDC, who's running AKHS, A federal judge or
the president and his appointees. It looks like the federal
judge is in charge of it. So I have this
odd thing where you have disclaimers that the trumpetindustries are
putting on a website that's been forced to be put
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on by a judge. They put a disclaimers saying, don't
believe any of it because it's full of gender ideology.
Who's running the show here?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And you get the last word.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Well, that is a real problem, and I'm hopeful that
the US Supreme Court is going to step in and
stop the kind of a use of the judicial system
we see going on, which is where we have individual
federal judges thinking they have more power than the President
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, the duly elected president of the United States, who
even CBS respondent say he's just fulfilling his campaign promises
which they voted for. Anyway, we appreciate it. Roger, thank you, Hans,
thank you eight hundred and nine to four one Shawn
as a number. We'll hit the phones when we get back.
You know, it was interesting I saw Hakeem Jeffries on
(15:32):
with the Jonathan Carl at ABC News and just to
watch the Democrats and the left that they are rudderless
at this point. Let's listen in is.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
There anything you are seeing that the Trump is doing
that you are in favor of?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do you think is the right thing?
Speaker 9 (15:49):
Let me say as it relates to all of those issues,
we're just at the beginning, and the core promise that
Donald Trump made is that he's going to lower call
yes for everyday Americans. In fact, we were told that
grocery prices would go down on day one. On January twentieth,
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costs aren't lower. In fact, costs are increasing. The price
of eggs is skyrocketing out of control. Inflation is on
the way up. That was the core promise that's been broken.
With respect to immigration, listen, we have to secure the border.
We have a broken immigration system and we need to
fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh acknowledging that the economy was crap, well, let's progress
and then blaming you know, oh, we got to secure
our borders. But for four years we were told the
borders is secure and the borders closed, and they just
light on both fronts. Even though Donald Trump still is
under the Biden Harris economy and will be for a
certain period of time. Now, what Carl was asking is
(16:53):
he was pointing out the Marquette poll sixty three percent
favor of the federal government's recognition of only two sexes,
txty percent favorite deporting immigrants that entered this country illegally,
sixty percent favor expanding oil and gas production, fifty nine
percent favor declaring an emergency at the southern border. And
(17:13):
he didn't answer the question, is there anything that you
can think of that Donald Trump is doing that you
are in favor of, because there is no answer to this. Now,
the Democrats have spent an extra three hundred and twenty
five hours in the US Senate that they have burned,
you know, delaying votes on Donald Trump's nominees. They're still
getting through at a record pace. We found out that
(17:34):
Jack Smith disclosed in his I guess his final disclosure
form just in the weeks before he stepped down. And anyway,
he apparently retained an outside council from Peter Cooski and
Covington and Burling, which is the biggest law firm in Washington,
d c. And in his final public disclosure report apparently
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included a section where he accepted one hundred and forty
thousand dollars worth of free legal services. Oh imagine if
a Republican did this. But probably the most interesting comment
came from Lyndy Lee, who was a well known fundraiser
who raised money for the Democratic twenty four presidential campaign,
announced she's leaving her exit from the party in December
(18:20):
after being ostracized for criticizing you know, then former presidential
nominee Vice President Kamala Harris. And he said, Democratic donors absolutely,
without a single exception. They are so angry and upset
with the state of the Democratic Party. They think this
party is in complete shamble. She's not wrong, and I
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don't know how they're going to get out of the wilderness.
She added, adding that the party has been hijacked by
woke ideology. It is their religion, it is their god.
Woke is their god. This trans woke insanity. They are
enthralled by it, and companies are running as fast as
they can from this toxic jam. Yet the Democratic parties
(19:02):
doubling down on it, just like they're doubling down on spending,
you know, reckless amounts of billions of dollars to advance
woke and transgenderism and the radical Green New Deal and
LGBTQ issues abroad. It's not even in this country. And
you know, Carvel's out there trying to fly away a
(19:23):
little bit, and you know he's saying Elon Musk is
pouring gasoline and dropping lit matches across the federal government.
Voters don't want their elected representatives acting like deer in
the headlights. Well, if he goes back to his buddy
Clinton and Al Gore, they sounded awful lot like Donald
Trump today as we played in the last half hour. Anyway,
(19:46):
So watching them, you know, one Democrat, even on fake
new CNN, is we We talked about it on this
program before I became a Democrat, because I wanted to
fight NAFTA meaning untrade, unfair trade practices. I wanted to
drain the swamp. I wanted to make sure my tax
dollars weren't going to foreign wars are wasted. That sounds
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like Donald Trump today. One of our good friends, actually,
Victor Davis Hansen writes, Democrats seem stuck in a cycle
of rage and resistance. Yeah, that's that's that's who they are.
This is now going to be four years. There's no
more stages to go through of grief. First was the
denial stage, and and then they put their head in
the sands stage. Uh, and then the depression stage. And
(20:30):
now they're back to the rage stage, which is where
they usually are. It's and and they will try, and
they will be resistant, and then they'll go for their
impeachment if they ever get power pack even post presidency.
I can see that. All right, let's get to our phones. Dan, California,
the United Socialist Utopia. What's up, Dan the Man?
Speaker 10 (20:49):
How are you, hey, Sean? How's it going?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, sir, what's up?
Speaker 10 (20:55):
I'm seeing everything at a record pace. I mean, they're
they're cutting programs and all this kind of stuff around me.
I see a lot of people in non affording medications.
Medicare you know, gets bumped up every time they give
so Security a raise. So once all this money starts
settling down and starts being available, what's going to happen.
You know, how's that going to be reallocated? You know,
(21:17):
how how does that picture look or how do you
think that picture is going to look?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think the way it's going to look is, I
think we're gonna we're going to finally begin the process
of getting our fiscal house and economic house in order.
And it's it's not it's it's not an easy lift.
It's going to be a comprehensive, multifaceted effort that includes
cutting out waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption. That's that's a
part of it. It's going to be as quickly as
(21:43):
possible moving America into a place of energy dominance. It's
also going to be you know, it's once we do
these things, getting the economy back up and running again,
lowering interest rates, making it a awordable for people to
start living, then the economy will again regnite and hopefully,
(22:05):
you know, Americans won't be burdened with high credit card
debt and high interest rates for their homes. I mean,
fifty six percent of Americans, this is what Trump inherited.
They can't afford one thousand dollars emergency. I mean that
that is catastrophic for families if their car breaks down.
If so, you know, the plumbing breaks, whatever it happens
to be.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Yeah, it's scary fast you think this will happen. You know,
how fast is this money freed up now that they
can't use it anymore for what happens to it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's a great question. You know, now that the money
is not going to be used, well, hopefully that money
gets spent to deport illegal immigrants, shore up Social Security
and Medicare that are headed towards insolvency. Hopefully that money
will be spent on pushing the economic agenda through that
would include energy, dominance and all these other things the
president you know, had promised on the campaign trow anyway,
(22:56):
Dan uh, not sure if you care so much about
this what you're doing out in California because you're paying
the highest tax rate in the country. Right, quick break
right back to our phones eight hundred and ninety four one, Sean,
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Speaker 1 (24:43):
All right, we continue now with our busy phones. Eight
hundred and nine to four one. Shawn is our number.
Adam in Texas, God bless Texas. Adam. What's going on?
Speaker 11 (24:53):
Hey, Sean? So I just had a few disagreements on
dog so I partially agree with it, but at the
same time, you know, for our agency, it really is
not really computing for me. So I'm a teleworker for
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the Patent Office. We're the only agency that's defunded, and
we don't really take a dime from taxpayers. We actually
serve a big pharma, big tech, all these you know,
big companies. We help start up, you know company.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't think the Patent Office is going to be
closed down. Have you been let go? Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 11 (25:38):
No, No, we haven't been let go. But we are
not exempt. My point is we're not exempt from the
DOGE or anything like border patrol is or the air
traffic controller people are you know, we still have the
hiring freeze and we have a huge backlog of over
eight hundred and twenty thousand pending, unexamined patent applications that
(26:01):
haven't even been looked at. The timeline for your application,
if you were to file one, is about two years.
And uh with this hiring freeze, it takes about three
to five years to train an examiner. And so by
the time you know, this administration realizes, hey, you know
(26:25):
there's a lot of pissed off you know companies out
there that are not happy with the Patent Office and
they figure out, well, we fired half of them or
we're trying to rif the patent office. You know, how
is that government efficiency? How is that going to stimulate
the economy, because without.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Patents, well, to be honest, what you're describing currently is
not efficient. Well you're described what you're describing now. If
the process as as Trump takes offices two years behind,
it's sort of like, you know, to retire from the
federal government, I'm told it takes you six months, and
they do it by hand, and they do it in
some underground limestone cave somewhere. It's insane. You know, we
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do have something called computers. We have artificial intelligence, there
there are there is technology that can be implemented that
hopefully you know, would actually assist you in doing a
better job and the people in your department from to
help them do a better job.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
Right. Well, the thing is the patent office. We don't,
like I said, we don't take a dime from taxpayer.
So you know, I honestly I understand where dog is
coming from, how they're spending tack payer money.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But you're saying nobody in the patent office gets paid
a penny.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
No, we don't take taxpayer money, is what I'm saying.
The people who fund us are the big corporations. We
even serve people companies in China, Germany, even countries.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you're an independent company, is it. But we do
have a government patent office.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Yes, that's what that's where. That's the agency I'm a
part of. We don't take taxpayer money. We are totally
fee funded by all these inventors from all over the world,
including the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, you you basically advocate on behalf of inventors and
people that create patents, is that what you're saying?
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Yes, and our agency as well, Well.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No you're not. You're complating two issues. Here, either you're
independent from the government or you're you're part of the government.
You're saying you're independent from the government, so you're advocating I.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
Am, I'm a federal employee. I am the one.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That's I just asked you that, and you said the opposite.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
No, I said, we're a fee funded.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, so you don't get paid by all. Right, I'm
having a hard time understanding is do you have independent
contractor status? Because the Patent and Trademark Office is part
of the Department of Commerce that serves.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Gs level associated with my position, So.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You're a government and yeah, man, why was that so hard?
Why couldn't you just say that, Okay, nobody's getting laid off.
And you're saying you're funded by outside groups. Well, I'm
not so sure that that would be accurate. That doesn't
make sense to me, because you're getting your check from
the federal government, so the government's paying. You're saying outside groups,
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you know, pay fees or lobbyists to advocate for their position,
which is different. But the office is not keeping up
with the demand, that's for sure, and the services are
are not particularly good and efficiency sounds like, you know,
the order of the day for the Patent Office. That's
what That's what it sounds like you're telling me.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
I'm sorry, No, that's not exactly what I'm telling you.
I'm telling you the reason why is because the Patent
Office we have trouble retaining examiners here because we have
a performance mentor that must be met. We're treated like
a small business. So if you you have to process
(30:04):
a certain amount of patent applications every quarter, if you
don't process enough patent applications and you're like, you know, slacking,
there's a there's a hole.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Let me ask you, is it is it? Is it?
Is it unduly burdensome? Or is it a fair standard
that they're applying for government workers.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
It depends on your GS level. So the higher GS
level you are, the higher the demand of work that
is required of you. So if you're barely starting, your
demand is very well.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, if you're a supervisor, you would be responsible for
the people underneath you, and that would count towards your number,
which would mean you would logically have a higher number. Listen,
we're getting too deep in the weeds here, and I
think you're missing the over arching position of DOGE, which
is to really find out what is obvious waste, fraud,
(31:01):
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sounds like one of the most inefficient departments within the
Commerce Department, and it sounds like you're in a desperate
need of reform. That's what it sounds like to me.
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All right, thanks scotch On an hour two Sean Hannity Show,
eight hundred and ninety four one, Shawn our number if
you want to be a part of the program. The
freak out over Doge continues as they dug up another
one point nine billion dollars in taxpayer money misplaced quote
by the Biden man, how do you misplays one point
nine billion? You know, how is it? We're now you
(00:23):
know about where we're facing what is a massive, massive
debt in this country. And you know, the idea that
somehow Donald Trump saying, okay, this has got to stop.
The American taxpayers were deceived. They did not They did
not spell out where this money was being spent, or
how was being spent, or her radical you know, this
(00:46):
money abroad was And as a result, as the American
people get more and more aware of it, they're just
getting sick and tired of it. Most Democrats remain in
freak out mode and they will forever stay there, probably
throughout the entire Trump presidency. Lee Zeldon announced a fifty
million dollar environmental justice contract that he had to cancel
(01:09):
for the Palestinians and Republicans, by the way, are unleashing
something that was first put in place by Thomas Jefferson himself,
which is the empowerment clause, which is the practice of
declining to spend funds provided by Congress. And I think
(01:29):
they will be successful in that effort, you know, considering
our founders, framers were very clear about their belief in
limited government greater freedom. But the bottom line freak out continues.
Although there are a couple of Democrats interestingly that you know,
we saw the Obama guys in their little podcasts, Pod
(01:50):
Save America whatever it is, saying you know what, and
we think of this idea. Well, you have some Democrats
now admitting, oh DOJ is a good idea? Good? Maybe
they'll maybe they'll put their money where their mouth is
and their votes where their mouth is. Let's listen.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I think we're missing the vote as Democrats. And
all I'm saying is that sometimes it's better to join
them and actually play a role in how the strategy works,
rather than so pathetically, frankly try to combat something that
clearly is a steamroller. And Democrats are being steamrolled and
I'm deeply concerned about that. Yes, Musk is not elected,
he has no accountability other than Donald Trump, and that's
(02:28):
a frightening combination.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, and then we add the people you know very well,
be very clear up front, you do not want to
some responsible conservative Republican who's going to save us for this. Yeah,
well they didn't come. They're not there. Okay, let's just
get over it. They're not coming to Calvary's not coming
to courts, are not coming, and they need nothing. And
(02:51):
where do we pick our fights.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
We all the government can be inefficient. We all know
that the bureaucracy can be bloated. We all worked in
the White House. We tried to reorganize the government. We
tried to find efficiency. It's hard to do.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And honestly, some of.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This is pretty annoying because some of the stuff we
should have done. Yeah, yeah, you could.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Do some of them.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You just got to talk shin zam. You're like, I
can dig these dojah cats. Oh, pretty interesting their reaction
to this. We're going to be joined in a minute
by Hans von Spakowski and Rogers Everino. But Hans, in
an article said, like spoiled children finally being told no
by their parents, bureaucrats beneficiaries of wasteful government largess are
(03:29):
howling at the shock waves that the Department of Government
Efficiency is now sending through Washington. NBC called it an
unprecedented effort to shrink the federal workforce and slash programs. Well,
not exactly, you know. And and the second part of
this story, the untold part of this story is, you know,
why were it you know, why weren't the inspectors generals
(03:52):
doing their job, which you know they're now removed. How
do we have a GAO report? I believe that came out.
What that showed two hundred and thirty six billion taxpayer
dollars wasted last year alone by the Biden administration. You know,
at what point does it become a financial national emergency
to examine every line item in every single bill so
(04:16):
that this waste, fraud, abuse, and I'm sure corruption associated
with it when we get to the bottom line, is
being squandered and while the average American toils away making
sixty six thousand dollars a year, At some point we've
got to admit this is just utter madness and insanity
and it's unsustainable. And yet you're you're gonna get to
the point, you know where debt to GDP ratio is
(04:39):
going to be so high, is going to be higher
than at any point during World War two, and that
becomes an unsustainable economy. That is not an economy where
any country can flourish. And we've seen this happen abroad.
Rogers Sevorino, Vice President Domestic Policy, Heritage Foundation, and also
Hans van Spokovski is with us, and he, of course
(05:03):
has this article, is the managing Election Law Reform Initiative
and senior legal fellow at the EDME Center for Legal
and Judicial Studies. Guys, good to have you both. Hans.
I read your article. I thought it was extraordinarily well done,
and that's exactly what's happening. They are. They're acting like
spoiled children that have finally been set you know, told no.
But I think a bigger story that will unfold over
(05:25):
time is that the degree to which they hid this
from congressional oversight and from inspectors generals, well.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
That is absolutely true. And the fact that they're getting
so upset is because it's being exposed. And look, you know,
most people, the public particularly, we believe in transparency, but
they are very upset that all this besizarre crazy, in fact,
(05:54):
dangerous spending is coming to light. You know, the biggest
thing about this Sean is they keep saying it unprecedented.
It's not unprecedented. Eisen Dwight Eisenhower, when he got elected,
he came in and said, boy, this government is wasteful,
it's inefficient. And you know, he actually formed a committee.
(06:16):
His committee was called the Committee on Government Organization. It
was composed of his brother and a very rich, successful
business guy named Nelson Rockefeller. And is all this sound familiar?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It sounds familiar. And I can give you another attempt
to limit the seis scope influencer government. And unfortunately, Congress
didn't do a thing to act on any of the
recommendations of the famous Grace Commission. During the Reagan years,
these were the best, brightest business minds in the country
and they were tasked with with trying to come up
(06:51):
with ways to make the government more efficient and Roger
the Congress adopted none of them. And Reagan's, you know,
hands were tied at the time, and Trump's, his hands
are not going to be tied at the end of
the day. This is not going to be something that
is going to fly with the American people. Once the
American people understand the magnitude of fraud, waste, abuse, and corruption.
(07:14):
It's going to be a ninety ten issue. I don't
even think their own party in the end will support it.
In spite of all the hysteria, the singing, you know,
the screaming and you know, ranting and raving. I don't
think it's going to work well.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Elon Musk. He actually tweeted that al Gore was the
one who spearheaded reinventing government and all these clips of
him saying We're going to end waste, fraud and abuse
over and over again. Well, Doge is actually doing it
for once, actually doing it, and it reminds me of
COVID when all the kids had to do remote learning
(07:49):
and the parents finally figured out, this is the drivel
that my kids are being exposed to. And that's what's
happening now. Now we're finally discovering where all this money went.
If we're spending you know, a billion dollars for DEI
all across the world using USAAD funds, or we're funding
immigrants in hotels in downtown Manhattan did a tune of
(08:11):
eighty million dollars that is now being called backco. We're
saying whoahoa, whoa. This is not what we signed up for.
Where's my hotel? Where's my free food? You know, we're
struggling here. We have inflation for the last you know,
five years. What about us? Why are we wasting all
this money without accountability? And actually, finally there's some accountability.
(08:32):
Those DHS deep staters who authorize that funding for the
hotel for migrants contrary to the President's orders are now fired.
That would have never happened before Trump and before Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And you know, Hans, if you go back, remember we
had a group in Washington that was somewhat influential citizens
against government waste, and they would find examples, egregious examples
of government misspending, nothing on the scale of what we're
looking at here. I mean this this is you know,
human growth hormones, steroids, maximum doses, and you know, I
(09:07):
remember reading one hundred and nine thousand dollars to studying
the mating habits of the Japanese quail, and you know
is and I won't spend the time to go through
the massive list of what they have discovered so far,
but at the magnitude of this is you're talking about
at the end of the day, there is going to
be hundreds of billions of dollars. In my interview with
(09:27):
Elon Musk, he thinks that'll go over a trillion dollars.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Oh, I agree. And look, the problem in the past
was that even when that kind of thing was discovered,
nothing was done about it. And here we actually have
an administration and we have heads of major cabinet departments
who are doing something about it. I mean, the new
head of the Department Agriculture has already canceled two hundred
(09:53):
million dollars in bizarre spending on outside contracts of of
all kind. We've got us AID being shut down, which
has been spending huge amounts of money on ridiculous projects.
So they're actually trying to do something about it. And
that also, that is that has not been done before.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, it's not been done before, and to this extent,
I mean as you go agency by agency by agency,
and I think part of Look, the mainstream media is
just screaming and yelling about it. And the question I
have is where have they been. I mean, they all
claim to be journalists, they all claim, you know, to
(10:38):
be at the top of their profession. I argue that
legacy media is dead. Why why didn't they ever discover this, Roger?
Why didn't they ask questions? How was the Biden administration
you know, so successful of in terms of their ability
to ignore Congressional oversight, which is, you know, their constitutional function.
(10:59):
And when the likes of Joanie Earnst and the House
Oversight Committee and other different committees were looking into how
the monies were actually spent, you know, all they did
is steimy them, a stonewall them, and then give them
broad interpretations of how the money is being spent without
any of the specificity that we now knew existed the
(11:20):
whole time.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Yeah, so why doesn't the media report on it? Well,
because they're in on it too. We've discovered that political
was getting millions of dollars in these subscriptions beyond the
regular This is a political pro hundreds of thousands and
millions of dollars. So the media was in on it too.
They're being funded by the federal government. So this is
(11:43):
the shocking thing that's being discovered. Why is it that
the media is getting you know, grants or any sort
of funding from the federal So.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They weren't being subsidized that we could confirm that this
is all subscription money.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
These were subscriptions.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, quick break more with Roger Severino and Hans Polkovsky,
who will join us on the other side. We'll get
to your calls going up as well. Eight hundred and
ninety four one sean is our number. All right, we continue.
Hans von Spakovski and Roger Severino is with us talking
about the issue of Doze in the left wing freakout.
Let me play Al Gore in nineteen ninety three, which
(12:19):
you mentioned. I mean, it is funny, you know, this
is how far the Democratic Party has come or how
low they've sunk.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
This report tells us out of cut waste, cut red tape,
streamline the bureaucracy, change procurement rule, change the personnel rules,
and create a government that works better and costs less.
I've read it and where it says the president should
the president will.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Oh that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump and
Elon Musk, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Roger, yeah, does so? Why is it that we're spending
seventy thousand dollars for a DII musical in Ireland forty
seven thousand for a transgender opera in Colombia? One point
five million for DEI in Serbia's workplaces. Right, these sorts
of things should never have happened, and somebody was asleep
(13:14):
at the wheel, and too many people were benefiting from it.
The deep state was hiding it. This is all coming
to an end finally, But here's one thing that has
to be reported on more. If judges led it, so
law Fair against Trump sailed. Now they're trying to stop
law Trump's agenda through law Fair. So now all these
injunctions trying to prevent Trump from blocking the funds, trying
(13:35):
to prevent Trump from executing on his executive orders.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But this is one oh one right out of the
democratic liberal democratic playbook, which is what they can't get
accomplished at the ballot box, what they can't get done legislatively,
they go to the courts and they hope they find
liberal activist judges that will help, at a minimum, delay
the process of a duly elected president fulfilling his promises.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Right, yeah, that's right. These federal judges are now becoming
essentially federal employees because they are micromanaging individual grants, they
are micromanaging what's being put on a website. So they
were ordered to restore CDC websites pages on how to
treat certain diseases, even though it had the gender ideology
(14:21):
from the Biden era department, Right, who is running the department,
Who's running CDC, who's running AKHS, A federal judge or
the president and his appointees. It looks like the federal
judge is in charge of it. So I have this
odd thing where you have disclaimers that the trumpetindustries are
putting on a website that's been forced to be put
(14:42):
on by a judge. They put a disclaimers saying, don't
believe any of it because it's full of gender ideology.
Who's running the show here?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And you get the last word.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Well, that is a real problem, and I'm hopeful that
the US Supreme Court is going to step in and
stop the kind of a use of the judicial system
we see going on, which is where we have individual
federal judges thinking they have more power than the President
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, the duly elected president of the United States, who
even CBS respondent say he's just fulfilling his campaign promises
which they voted for. Anyway, we appreciate it. Roger, thank you, Hans,
thank you eight hundred and nine to four one Shawn
as a number. We'll hit the phones when we get back.
You know, it was interesting I saw Hakeem Jeffries on
(15:32):
with the Jonathan Carl at ABC News and just to
watch the Democrats and the left that they are rudderless
at this point. Let's listen in is.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
There anything you are seeing that the Trump is doing
that you are in favor of?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do you think is the right thing?
Speaker 9 (15:49):
Let me say as it relates to all of those issues,
we're just at the beginning, and the core promise that
Donald Trump made is that he's going to lower call
yes for everyday Americans. In fact, we were told that
grocery prices would go down on day one. On January twentieth,
(16:09):
costs aren't lower. In fact, costs are increasing. The price
of eggs is skyrocketing out of control. Inflation is on
the way up. That was the core promise that's been broken.
With respect to immigration, listen, we have to secure the border.
We have a broken immigration system and we need to
fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh acknowledging that the economy was crap, well, let's progress
and then blaming you know, oh, we got to secure
our borders. But for four years we were told the
borders is secure and the borders closed, and they just
light on both fronts. Even though Donald Trump still is
under the Biden Harris economy and will be for a
certain period of time. Now, what Carl was asking is
(16:53):
he was pointing out the Marquette poll sixty three percent
favor of the federal government's recognition of only two sexes,
txty percent favorite deporting immigrants that entered this country illegally,
sixty percent favor expanding oil and gas production, fifty nine
percent favor declaring an emergency at the southern border. And
(17:13):
he didn't answer the question, is there anything that you
can think of that Donald Trump is doing that you
are in favor of, because there is no answer to this. Now,
the Democrats have spent an extra three hundred and twenty
five hours in the US Senate that they have burned,
you know, delaying votes on Donald Trump's nominees. They're still
getting through at a record pace. We found out that
(17:34):
Jack Smith disclosed in his I guess his final disclosure
form just in the weeks before he stepped down. And anyway,
he apparently retained an outside council from Peter Cooski and
Covington and Burling, which is the biggest law firm in Washington,
d c. And in his final public disclosure report apparently
(17:57):
included a section where he accepted one hundred and forty
thousand dollars worth of free legal services. Oh imagine if
a Republican did this. But probably the most interesting comment
came from Lyndy Lee, who was a well known fundraiser
who raised money for the Democratic twenty four presidential campaign,
announced she's leaving her exit from the party in December
(18:20):
after being ostracized for criticizing you know, then former presidential
nominee Vice President Kamala Harris. And he said, Democratic donors absolutely,
without a single exception. They are so angry and upset
with the state of the Democratic Party. They think this
party is in complete shamble. She's not wrong, and I
(18:41):
don't know how they're going to get out of the wilderness.
She added, adding that the party has been hijacked by
woke ideology. It is their religion, it is their god.
Woke is their god. This trans woke insanity. They are
enthralled by it, and companies are running as fast as
they can from this toxic jam. Yet the Democratic parties
(19:02):
doubling down on it, just like they're doubling down on spending,
you know, reckless amounts of billions of dollars to advance
woke and transgenderism and the radical Green New Deal and
LGBTQ issues abroad. It's not even in this country. And
you know, Carvel's out there trying to fly away a
(19:23):
little bit, and you know he's saying Elon Musk is
pouring gasoline and dropping lit matches across the federal government.
Voters don't want their elected representatives acting like deer in
the headlights. Well, if he goes back to his buddy
Clinton and Al Gore, they sounded awful lot like Donald
Trump today as we played in the last half hour. Anyway,
(19:46):
So watching them, you know, one Democrat, even on fake
new CNN, is we We talked about it on this
program before I became a Democrat, because I wanted to
fight NAFTA meaning untrade, unfair trade practices. I wanted to
drain the swamp. I wanted to make sure my tax
dollars weren't going to foreign wars are wasted. That sounds
(20:07):
like Donald Trump today. One of our good friends, actually,
Victor Davis Hansen writes, Democrats seem stuck in a cycle
of rage and resistance. Yeah, that's that's that's who they are.
This is now going to be four years. There's no
more stages to go through of grief. First was the
denial stage, and and then they put their head in
the sands stage. Uh, and then the depression stage. And
(20:30):
now they're back to the rage stage, which is where
they usually are. It's and and they will try, and
they will be resistant, and then they'll go for their
impeachment if they ever get power pack even post presidency.
I can see that. All right, let's get to our phones. Dan, California,
the United Socialist Utopia. What's up, Dan the Man?
Speaker 10 (20:49):
How are you, hey, Sean? How's it going?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, sir, what's up?
Speaker 10 (20:55):
I'm seeing everything at a record pace. I mean, they're
they're cutting programs and all this kind of stuff around me.
I see a lot of people in non affording medications.
Medicare you know, gets bumped up every time they give
so Security a raise. So once all this money starts
settling down and starts being available, what's going to happen.
You know, how's that going to be reallocated? You know,
(21:17):
how how does that picture look or how do you
think that picture is going to look?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think the way it's going to look is, I
think we're gonna we're going to finally begin the process
of getting our fiscal house and economic house in order.
And it's it's not it's it's not an easy lift.
It's going to be a comprehensive, multifaceted effort that includes
cutting out waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption. That's that's a
part of it. It's going to be as quickly as
(21:43):
possible moving America into a place of energy dominance. It's
also going to be you know, it's once we do
these things, getting the economy back up and running again,
lowering interest rates, making it a awordable for people to
start living, then the economy will again regnite and hopefully,
(22:05):
you know, Americans won't be burdened with high credit card
debt and high interest rates for their homes. I mean,
fifty six percent of Americans, this is what Trump inherited.
They can't afford one thousand dollars emergency. I mean that
that is catastrophic for families if their car breaks down.
If so, you know, the plumbing breaks, whatever it happens
to be.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Yeah, it's scary fast you think this will happen. You know,
how fast is this money freed up now that they
can't use it anymore for what happens to it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's a great question. You know, now that the money
is not going to be used, well, hopefully that money
gets spent to deport illegal immigrants, shore up Social Security
and Medicare that are headed towards insolvency. Hopefully that money
will be spent on pushing the economic agenda through that
would include energy, dominance and all these other things the
president you know, had promised on the campaign trow anyway,
(22:56):
Dan uh, not sure if you care so much about
this what you're doing out in California because you're paying
the highest tax rate in the country. Right, quick break
right back to our phones eight hundred and ninety four one, Sean,
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Adam in Texas, God bless Texas. Adam. What's going on?
Speaker 11 (24:53):
Hey, Sean? So I just had a few disagreements on
dog so I partially agree with it, but at the
same time, you know, for our agency, it really is
not really computing for me. So I'm a teleworker for
(25:13):
the Patent Office. We're the only agency that's defunded, and
we don't really take a dime from taxpayers. We actually
serve a big pharma, big tech, all these you know,
big companies. We help start up, you know company.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't think the Patent Office is going to be
closed down. Have you been let go? Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 11 (25:38):
No, No, we haven't been let go. But we are
not exempt. My point is we're not exempt from the
DOGE or anything like border patrol is or the air
traffic controller people are you know, we still have the
hiring freeze and we have a huge backlog of over
eight hundred and twenty thousand pending, unexamined patent applications that
(26:01):
haven't even been looked at. The timeline for your application,
if you were to file one, is about two years.
And uh with this hiring freeze, it takes about three
to five years to train an examiner. And so by
the time you know, this administration realizes, hey, you know
(26:25):
there's a lot of pissed off you know companies out
there that are not happy with the Patent Office and
they figure out, well, we fired half of them or
we're trying to rif the patent office. You know, how
is that government efficiency? How is that going to stimulate
the economy, because without.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Patents, well, to be honest, what you're describing currently is
not efficient. Well you're described what you're describing now. If
the process as as Trump takes offices two years behind,
it's sort of like, you know, to retire from the
federal government, I'm told it takes you six months, and
they do it by hand, and they do it in
some underground limestone cave somewhere. It's insane. You know, we
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do have something called computers. We have artificial intelligence, there
there are there is technology that can be implemented that
hopefully you know, would actually assist you in doing a
better job and the people in your department from to
help them do a better job.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
Right. Well, the thing is the patent office. We don't,
like I said, we don't take a dime from taxpayer.
So you know, I honestly I understand where dog is
coming from, how they're spending tack payer money.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But you're saying nobody in the patent office gets paid
a penny.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
No, we don't take taxpayer money, is what I'm saying.
The people who fund us are the big corporations. We
even serve people companies in China, Germany, even countries.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you're an independent company, is it. But we do
have a government patent office.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Yes, that's what that's where. That's the agency I'm a
part of. We don't take taxpayer money. We are totally
fee funded by all these inventors from all over the world,
including the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, you you basically advocate on behalf of inventors and
people that create patents, is that what you're saying?
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Yes, and our agency as well, Well.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No you're not. You're complating two issues. Here, either you're
independent from the government or you're you're part of the government.
You're saying you're independent from the government, so you're advocating I.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
Am, I'm a federal employee. I am the one.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That's I just asked you that, and you said the opposite.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
No, I said, we're a fee funded.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, so you don't get paid by all. Right, I'm
having a hard time understanding is do you have independent
contractor status? Because the Patent and Trademark Office is part
of the Department of Commerce that serves.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Gs level associated with my position, So.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You're a government and yeah, man, why was that so hard?
Why couldn't you just say that, Okay, nobody's getting laid off.
And you're saying you're funded by outside groups. Well, I'm
not so sure that that would be accurate. That doesn't
make sense to me, because you're getting your check from
the federal government, so the government's paying. You're saying outside groups,
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you know, pay fees or lobbyists to advocate for their position,
which is different. But the office is not keeping up
with the demand, that's for sure, and the services are
are not particularly good and efficiency sounds like, you know,
the order of the day for the Patent Office. That's
what That's what it sounds like you're telling me.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
I'm sorry, No, that's not exactly what I'm telling you.
I'm telling you the reason why is because the Patent
Office we have trouble retaining examiners here because we have
a performance mentor that must be met. We're treated like
a small business. So if you you have to process
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a certain amount of patent applications every quarter, if you
don't process enough patent applications and you're like, you know, slacking,
there's a there's a hole.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Let me ask you, is it is it? Is it?
Is it unduly burdensome? Or is it a fair standard
that they're applying for government workers.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
It depends on your GS level. So the higher GS
level you are, the higher the demand of work that
is required of you. So if you're barely starting, your
demand is very well.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, if you're a supervisor, you would be responsible for
the people underneath you, and that would count towards your number,
which would mean you would logically have a higher number. Listen,
we're getting too deep in the weeds here, and I
think you're missing the over arching position of DOGE, which
is to really find out what is obvious waste, fraud,
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abuse and corruption. What you're describing at the patent office
sounds like one of the most inefficient departments within the
Commerce Department, and it sounds like you're in a desperate
need of reform. That's what it sounds like to me.
But you know, I can't. I can't spend much more
precious airtime trying to claw this out of you. I'm
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