November 24, 2023 • 40 mins
In hour 3 of The Ben Maller Show Thanksgiving Special, Bernie talks superstitions in sports with Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes underwear superstition, what is the biggest sports rivalry, and so much more!
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we get to the goofy, crazy, idiosyncratic Patrick Mahome and
how he confirms the same superstition he's had for all
eighty nine games of his NFL careers, go out to
the phones. We're joined by Walt Virginny. He wants to
talk about Barry Sanders. Hey, Walt, how are you all right?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Hey, Bernie God, it's a real blessing to speak to you. Man,
I'm a big fan. I thought I would take the
opportunity to call in, because you don't take call ins
on your show. But I wanted to tell you that
I will wake up in the night to listen to
you because you always bring the knowledge and a good perspective.
Whether I agree or not, but you always have a
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very logical explanation of how you feel the way you feel.
But I'm old enough to remember Bernie Barry and Jim Brown.
So in the documentary, they always made a reference or
they did make a reference that Barry's father loved to
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Jim Brown was his favorite running back. So was my father,
and so I understand that that's not a disrespect to
his son, but anybody who was old enough to watch
Jim Brown, h I mean that was a different but
I mean he was a different player. So uh, but
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to blame the quarterback, it was more than that. I
think Jim Brown and both Barry Sanders left at the
top of their game, and I believed that they had
a different vision on what their life needed to be
other than just being banged up all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And that's right, You're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, So it wasn't that, you know, they what
I mean the money Obviously, I don't know what money
they were making at that time, but it was something
different from him, and that, you know what, why shouldn't
I leave now? So I think a lot of times
I think people make way too much of the fact that, well,
why did he leave? No, it was time for him the.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
League it was, and I was in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And by the way, well, as you saw, Barry's dad
thought Jim Brown was number one. Barry thought his dad
himself was number two, and Barry number three. And I've
talked about that. I thought Jim Brown was the greatest
running back of all time. Hey, wal thanks a lot
for checking in. Happy Thanksgiving, and Shane and I are
working on doing something on my Friday Night show because
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we had a back to back contest that when twenty
four weeks and people did like to call in.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
So we're working on something. Walt.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're on the Friday Night Show Friday heading into Saturday,
if you're in Virginia, would be you know, three am
to six am your time. We're working on working on
something along those lines, So keep that in mind.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Walton.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We'll talk to you again, okay, all right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You take care and happy Thanksgiving to.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You every Thanksgiving to you. Pleasure to talk to you.
By the way, he's right about his observations.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
He's spot on.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Barry wanted to do other things in his life.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
He didn't care about records. He could have kept playing
and broken Walter Payton's record even in high school. He
could have broke the state record, he said, put the
young guys in. He didn't care about breaking the records
in college. All of this is true, every bit of it.
And so the truth of the matter is is that
when Barry finally walked away, he just simply had had
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enough of football, very similar to when Jim Brown walked away. Actually,
and I believe in nineteen sixty five to pursue an
acting career.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
One guy who's not walking away anytime soon, even though
probably his opponents wish he would, is Patrick Mahomes. Now,
this is a little goofy to me. Maybe a little creepy, maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Not so much. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Patrick Mahomes confirmed last week that he in fact has
had the same superstition for all eighty nine games of
his entire NFL career. Right, He's not the only one
that's got superstitions. Tiger Wood used to wear a red
shir it's on the final day. Michael Jordan used to
wear a lucky pair of blue basketball shorts even under
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his Bulls uniform. As North Carolina, Patrick Mahomes, he's admitting
wait for it, to wearing the same pair of red
underwear on game days across this whole professional football career.
He got outed by Chad Henny.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Oh no, oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Chad Henny was his backup from twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty three. And he basically let it slip out, he said,
and he said Sunday, it's the same pair of underwear.
This has to be a superstition, a good luck charm.
And Mahomes did admit it for a while, but after
a few months of speculation, he finally confirmed the rumor
on the ESPN Manning Cast just about a week ago
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when Buffalo played Denver on Monday Night that Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Win when they beat Buffalo twenty four to twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Mahomes goes on to say, first quote, my wife, Britney,
she got them for me, so I'm not throwing you
all down, but I gotta wear them now. When he
was asked about the superstition, he says, look, I threw
him on that first season.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
We had a pretty good first season.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Says I only wear him on game day, so they're
not too worn down and they're not nasty.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I cleaned them.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay, Well that kind of goes without saying. I'm just curious,
Bill Belichick. I know you're listening to the show tonight. Bill,
are you up? Do you wear the same underwear every
game as well? No, not right now, maybe next week.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't know, Bill, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
We're going to check in next week and see if
you do that. I mean, I bet you would if
you weren't two and eight this year, I bet you would.
But the longest short of it is pat Patrick Mahons
wants to assure us that not only does he wash
them when the team loses, but we're not sure if
he watches them when they win.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And they don't lose that often.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I'm glad I've already had my thanks my thanksgiving me
and I'll tell you that there, fella, because had I
heard this out, Well, well, I actually talked about this
the other day. But the bottom line is, you know,
Patrick Mahome is not the only one, and you know
he plays football, right, But there over the years have
been some superstitions from baseball players, hockey players, and I
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mean they are wacky. And I'm going to bring in
the crew in a bit here, but I'm sure I
want to get their thoughts on Mahomes too. I'm having
a hard time getting my mind around. It just bugs me.
I can't exactly explain why, but it just does. And
I want to share with you folks, not just Mahomes,
some of the truly odd superstitions good ball players, good
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sweep the nation. Do not miss this. What kind of
brand new fool? You followed by what my name? But
you don't believe me? Patrick Mahomes got a strange same
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superstition for all eighty nine games.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Those NFL career. What the hell? Let's hear from the
horses mouth himself, Patrick.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
We taught to we sell your old teammate, your backup quarterback.
Sad Henney said, do you have a few superstitions, and
that one of them is been wearing the same pair
of red underwear on game day for years now, and
I love a good superstition, But you know, could you
just do something like eating the same pregame meal that
have to be the red underwear?
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Well you know, well, first my wife Britney got them
for me, so I had to. I'm not not throwing
y'all down, but I have to wear them, you know.
But uh, at the same time, I throw them on
that first season, we had a pretty good season that season.
I only wear them for game day though, so I
can't get They're not too worn down, They're not like
these like nasty, and I clean them.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I do want to watch them.
Speaker 10 (09:38):
I watched them every once in a while, at least
a d string.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
What is it.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
I mean, if we're if we're on a hot streak,
I can't watch them, you know, Like I got to
just keep them, keep it rolling. So uh, you know,
as long as I'm winning football games, I'll keep the
superstition going.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That's just got worse for me. That's I put that
under the category of t am I Shay, let me
step aside for a minute.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
What do you what do you got to say about this?
Speaker 7 (10:04):
That's a little too much. You might not like this Bernie.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
So I played volleyball a lot of my life, and
I didn't do it for every game, but for every
home game we had at my house at my high school,
I would wear these special silk boxers that my dad
got me this one time. And it was like a
big deal too, because we would all change together in
the locker room and stuff, so the team would see
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that the silk boxers were on, so it was a
pretty big deal. But I would only wear them for
home for home games, and of course I would watch
them because silk boxers are disgusting, especially after you sweat
in them. But no, superstitions are huge, Like almost all
my friends had one, Like it keeps you grounded, almost
like I'm sure you pick them up randomly too, And
it's not something that like you kind of just do.
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But yeah, like it's I think it helps players out,
it keeps them grounded.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, I have no issue with superstition. I was an athlete,
you know, play high school football, baseball, college baseball, had
a brief stint with the Cincinnati Reds organization. I had superstitions.
Certain music I would listen to before games. I'm not
gonna tell you I'm not gonna tell you tonight. Maybe
one of these guys what you listen to?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
That?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, kind of got me relaxed before I dive into
some of these strange but true interesting superstitions among other
athletes and other sports over the years. The chef Kevin Wyre,
do you have any thoughts on this?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I mean, hey, whatever works for him and go for it.
I mean I don't really care. I mean, I personally
don't believe superstitions mean anything, but that's just me. I mean, hey,
if theF has fun with it and he thinks it
makes them play brighter, I mean, who cares. I mean,
it's It's not something I'm overly concerned with or really
care too much about.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And that's fair.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But when you got to the underwear at Pat Mahomes
and you're gonna try to tell me the next time
he jogs out of the field, you're not gonna look
at him just a little bit different. Gonna take a
gonna take a many or tonight now before I go
to Mark Ramsey, I want to get his thoughts with me.
I hopefully he has some one of his hometown heroes there.
I'm guessing Brian Urlacher. He had a very interesting superstition,
very tamed. You heard what Eli Manning said. They're in
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the Manning cast. I couldn't you just have a pregame meal.
Brian Urlacher will eat two chocolate chip cookies before every game.
That was his superstition. Let's see I can get down
with that one, Mark. Do you have any thoughts on
this whole subject matter.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
I guess having a superstition sort of hold you in
place because it's part of your routine and you think
in your mind as an athlete, because you practice a
certain kind of way and you can do certain things.
When something happens and it's good for you, you lock
in that that's going to work every time until it doesn't.
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So you lock into that superstition that holds you together.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Okay, I think you articulate that extremely well because the
idea before you go into the heat of competition is
you want to be able to put yourself in a
state of mind when you were able to perform your
best and perform your best consistently, because how you think
determines how you perform. It's true, and how you feel
determines a lot of times how you think and whatever
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these rituals are if they I believe they do help you.
If you think they help you, they help you, you may
not bat a thousand. Now we start to get into
some of the other ones. Okay, you guys remember moist
sal Louis was a very good player played for the Giants, Believe.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
It or not.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
His superstition was to pee on his hands before he
went up to the bat and went up to the
plate because he believed it would harden his hands. Yes,
not make and I had heard that one before.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No, he didn't use batting gloves, if I recall correct,
he did not.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That might have That might have defeated the purpose.
Speaker 12 (13:54):
That was before the invention of depends right, probably was.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To tay you the truth. Now, this is a weird
one too. And by the way, this guy lives in
Las Vegas. He's a really nice guy. You probably remember him.
He had some great years with the Yankees, got into
the steroid situation a little bit. He in two thousand
and eight, he got into a long slump, and so
we started wearing a gold thong under his uniform and
his slump ended. His other teammates caught wind of it,
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and Johnny Damon said He believed the thong works because
you're not worrying about your hands, You're worried about that uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Feeling you're down there. It was Jason Giambi.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You guys remember Jason giam Oh, yeah, did that. The
Cubs had a pitcher back in the day. His name
was turk Wan Dell and you can google this. This
is a little out there now, nearly as creepy as
the Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Thing he would.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Brush just he was a relief pitcher. He would brush
his teeth in the dugout and then when he went
out to the mountain, he would chewt licorice, all right.
He wore number ninety nine and he you know, he
did other things and he he used to wear this
necklace he would wear every game.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
He was a hunter.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And what he would do, he'd go out and shoot
animals and he'd pull their teeth and make a necklace
out of teeth from lions and wild boars. But he
would always go out to the mound with four pieces
of licorice in his mouth, and then when the ending
was over, Yeah, he'd go back to his dugout and
then brush his teeth in the dugout. Anybody have any
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thoughts on that. I can get behind that one. I
don't like the underwear thing, man, it's freaking me out.
Speaker 12 (15:30):
I'm not messing up my teeth like that during a game.
You know, did this camera and h and I don't
really want to mess up my teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Now, you guys, but Mark, you're outstanding, all right, So
I'm sure you guys follow the UFC. By the way,
if anybody wants to weigh in on this, eight seven, seven,
nine to nine on Fox, Athletes, entertainers, superstitions, what's good,
what's not? Obviously Las Vegas is he huge UFC town?
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And you guys follow sports. You remember an MMA I
think he's retired now, I'm pretty I'm certain he is.
He was an MMA fire fighter. Try that again in English,
Lioto Mashida. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Oh yeah, I remember him.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
I like that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, he's retired.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Okay, this is this this this as George Castanders said,
and in the one of those final, you know, episodes
of Seinfeld, I'm taking it up a notch. He's taking
it up a notch. Lioto Mashida. He was a headliner too, right,
one of the best in the world. He claims this
is not only a superstition, but he owes this to
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his success. Wait for it, he drinks He's on urine. Ah,
he believes that urine therapy has medicinal qualities. He said,
you know what, people think, it's a joke. I never
said it in the United States while I was fighting,
because I knew how fans will react. I drink my
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urine every morning like natrual medicine. And oh, by the way,
who the hell taught him how to do this?
Speaker 13 (17:05):
His father?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Oh no?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And oh, by the way, not only that, his whole
family does it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Drinking urine.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I need him minute, say thoughts, I'm drinking urine, would
you hear urin?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I'm actually go ahead.
Speaker 11 (17:27):
I remember watching like a bear grills like that, like
World Survivor guy, and he'd be like, oh yeah, like
piss on your hand. If you really have to, you
can like boil your peat and drink it and all
this stuff. And I was like, yeah, I know, I'm
out of it. But now you're saying Lioto does it,
and I'm like, okay, Like Lioto, okay. If people who
don't know who Lioto machidaes, He's like a legend. He
kind of was the only person kind of doing karate.
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He's a karate master. He was one of the only
people doing karate during the UFC, knocking people out and
then bowing down to them. And it's it's a known
thing that or not a known thing. A lot of
people think that karate doesn't work in the UFC, and
he kind of destroyed that entire agenda. And hearing this, like,
I love the guy. I loved watching him. He was
so respectful and just hearing this and just makes you
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think maybe he was onto something. Obviously I'm not gonna
try it out, but I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
This guy was a legend. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I have heard that before weightlifters, bodybuilders, athletes, and they
claim it has medicinal qualities. I didn't even want to
think what it might taste like, you know, and what
if you end up having what if you had like
seventeen Crown Royals the night before.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
That's what I was thinking too. Like he's a healthy guy.
He's probably drinking like water most of the time, like
eating good foods.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
But I'm thinking the.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Guy that has the absolute worst like worst health like
health style, like that they can't be good for you, Like,
there's no way that's good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But if he claims it's medicinal, yeah, I mean he
was a championship level fighter.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I mean I can't. I don't know, Like this is
just something that's so bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
That's fact reality. Yea reality.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
By the way, chef, you're getting ready to perform here
in a few minutes. You ever drink urine before you,
you know, get behind the mic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I can't say that's something I've ever done. It just
reminds me of a ripped torn in. Uh dodgeball.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Oh yeah, if you could dodge a ball, you could
dodge your in.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
We also is like, uh necessary, isn't necessary for me
to drink my own urine?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Probably not nice? No, I wanted sterile and I like
the chaste.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I bet if we google this, I bet if we google,
I'm not gonna do it right now, but it might
be more common than than than we even uh even realized.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But uh, someone's gonna say something.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
I was gonna say it, like, I mean, it is
a known survival thing though, like I think it was
like World War Two, there were soldiers like who had
to survive off that like like the like the war
in the Pacific, being on islands and stuff without about
US soldiers. Yeah, I think the US Japanese soldiers.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh hell well we would US soldiers entitor Japanese soldiers did.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I'm trying to remember it.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I hope we did it because we won the war.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah, and so I mean, what the.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hell, Maybe I'll go, you know, drink something later then
then again then again maybe not. Right by the way,
there was mother normal you guys remember Jerry Tarcanadian. He
used to chew on a towel during gays. A legendary coach,
Kron Butler, who I think has been a guest on
Fox Sports Radio before. He used to drink mountain dew before, during,
and after every game a lot of mountain dew. Hopefully
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didn't trick him and put urin in there and make
it look like mountain dew. Hopefully that was not the case.
One of the other interesting ones too, Mike Bibby, very
good basketball player, You guys remember Mike Bibby. He had
this odd ritual he would clip his fingernails during timeouts.
Now that that's kind of a superstition I can get
behind as long as he's not eating his clippings and
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washing it down with urine. If you get my get
my drip. Now, this one is weird, okay. Jason Terry,
who was a very good backcourt player for the Dallas
Mavericks for many, many years. Somehow he managed to accumulate
a pair of shorts for every single team.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
In the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Oh, this one's funny.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I know this, and that We'll go ahead. You know what,
let let's not stay your thunder. If you know this story,
tell the folks.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
I think it's so.
Speaker 11 (21:01):
He wears the pants like he sleeps in the pants
of his enemies, like over like the people he's about
to play, or something like that. And like I remember
reading this somewhere, like he like would sleep in in
their pants the night before the game.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
He nailed it, He just nailed it. Yeah, the night
before that he would sleep in their pants.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Why, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Rick the pants.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Ritchie Ashburn legendary player if you are a Phillies fan,
and this goes way back.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He played in the sixties fifties, way before my time.
He would sleep with his bats. He would sleep not
the kind of bats would fly away, the kind that
you take up to the And what's interesting is he
would tell the clubhouse attendants, do not mix in my
bats with the rest of the other bats.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Those bats are inferior. I only want to use.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The bats that I slept with. Okay, by the way,
I don't know if this is a kosher Pelly Lindberg,
who was a famous goalie for the Philadelphia Flyers for years, Okay,
he had a couple of quarks. He ended up wearing
the same orange T shirt under his hockey pads, not
for one season for his entire career, and every time
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it woren out, he would sew it back together.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
This is the weird one.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Guys, how would you feel if your favorite hockey player
and your hockey goalie was drinking beer during the game.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I mean, hey, if they kept winning, I'd be like,
what works Swannish beer?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Go ahead, Shay.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I would just think he's looser.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Yeah, wedding. I mean, you're allowed to do a lot
more than if you're losing.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Here's the best part.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
The beer was served to him by one of the
assistant coaches between periods, and he had one more quirk
to go along with his beer, he had to have
two ice cubes in it. So he'd drink a Swedish
beer called Prips in between every single period during NHL games,
and he'd had to It was served to him by
an assistant coach, the same assistant coach every time, and
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the glass had.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To have two ice cubes in it. That's going next level.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Finally, the one everybody remembers, the legendary Wade Bogs. He
a chicken before every game. He had forty different recipes
so we wouldn't get tired of it. But Wade Bogs,
one of the greatest hitters of all time, a chicken
chicken before every game? Yes he did. Coming up, we're
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gonna talk about the Michigan Ohio state rivalry. Is it
the greatest rivalry of all time in all sports?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I say yes. I'll explain why coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
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Speaker 5 (24:34):
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Speaker 6 (24:34):
We had a big day of football in the nfls.
We always do want Thanksgiving, right, I mean you can't.
It's turkey stuffing, mashed potatoes, pumpkin pie football. I mean,
that's really what Thanksgiving is a lot oftentimes about. And
we had a triple header of games. Only one of
them really was close, though, and they didn't even start
out that way, the Packers jumping out to a twenty
to six lead of the Lions after one quarter twenty
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three to six at the half. The Lions, for their credit, however,
had a strong set and half try to make a
comeback attempt hell the Packers for just six second half points,
but they fall just shot twenty nine to twenty two.
Jared Goff three hundred thirty two passing yards two touchdowns
as Detroit now eight and three on the season. Jordan Love,
though played well for Green Bay two hundred and sixty
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eight yards, three touchdowns. Other action from the Thanksgiving Holiday
two blowouts. The Cowboys dismantle the Commanders forty five to
ten as Dak Prescott three hundred thirty one passing yards,
four touchdowns, but Deron Land once again getting himself a
pick six. It's his fifth of the season that sets
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a new NFL single season record, and Dallas for their part,
they are now eight and three save for the forty
nine ers. They moved to eight and three with a
thirty one to thirteen win against the Seahawks. Brock Perty
did throw a pick six, but otherwise did play adequately
two hundred nine yards and a touchdown. Christian McCaffrey a
hundred and fourteen yards to touchdown runs the Seahawks six
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and five. They are clinging to a wildcard spot. Some
injury updates the athletic reporting Vikings star receiver Justin Jefferson
will not play against the Bears this week. Rams wide
receiver Cooper Cup he has an ankle spring and he
did return to practice on Thursday. Ravens wide receiver's A
Flowers limited at practice on Wednesday, with a hip issue.
He didn't practice at all on Thursday. Great teams in
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action on Thanksgiving in college hoops, Villanova beats number fourteen
North Carolina in overtime eighty three, eighty one, Number three
Arizona over number twenty one, Michigan State seventy four, sixty
eight Number nineteen, Florida Atlantic defeats Butler ninety one, eighty six,
Number twelve Texas A and m tops Penn State eighty
nine to seventy seven. In Colorado State getting the upset
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against number eight Creyton sixty nine to sixty eight. Back
to you, Bernie, All.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Right, thanks, chef. Great job is always going to remind
the folks.
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me at my regular times eleven pm Pacific on Friday
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pm to three am. Will be back on these airwaves
both of those nights with my crew. Guys, before I
get into the reason, and you're gonna get a kick
out of this, why I believe the Michigan Ohio state
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rivalry is the most intensive all time, Shay Kevin, Mark
you guys, you know, Red Sox, Yankees, whatever? Do you
think another rivalry is more important anybody?
Speaker 12 (27:45):
When it comes to which rivalry?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now, I believe the Michigan Ohio State's the greatest rivalry
of all time. And I'm gonna give my reason in
a second. I just wondered if you had a thought
on which sports rivalry you believe is the most intense.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Alabama Auburn that's.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
A good one.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The Iron Bowl that is a pretty good one, Shay Kevin, anybody.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I would definitely say Dodgers Giants because it's a rivalry
that's gone back a century and been played on two
separate coasts, and it's much more evenly played than some
other rivalries that people like to mention, like the Yankees
and Red Sox. It seems like it's always the Yankees
winning it, They've won way more championships, while the Dodgers
and Giants they're far more even in that category, both
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head to head and titles won throughout their history. So
that plus the geographical aspect of it, going from New
York going to the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They followed each other, Yeah, they followed each other. Or
stonem of the Giants camp, yes, Shae.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Anything to add to that.
Speaker 11 (28:41):
This might just be biased because I went to ASU,
but I really think the U of A, as you like,
out of most at least in the Pac twelve, is
one of the most insane rillalies I've seen.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (28:52):
There definitely could be more, but UCLA USC is just
not what it is like Oregon Oregon State just isn't
what it was. And I just I really think you
have a ASU In all of their sports it was
always very similar. Obviously not in basketball, but everything else
it was always very similar, and it was always something
that I got riled up for. So it could be
because I have biased, But at the same time, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
So I'm a little biased.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But when you hear this, you may be scratching your head,
and every bit of it is true. I'm talking about
Michigan Ohio State. You know, back in nineteen sixty eight,
when it was Woody Hayes and the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Here's how intensive game can get. Michigan was trailing forty
one to fourteen and the game was winding down.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It was basically over.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Ohio State scores a late touchdown forty eight to fourteen.
They line up and they go for two. They win
fifty to fourteen. Now, after the game was over, their
legendary coach Woody Hayes was asked in the postgame press conference, Coach,
you're already up forty eight fourteen. Why the hell did
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you go for two? He said, because they wouldn't let
me go for three. That's how intense that rivalry is.
Look how many of these rivalries, and they're all good Alabama, Auburn, Dodgers, Giants,
Arizona State, Arizona, How many of these started as a war?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I am not joking.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
The Michigan Ohio State rivalry started as a war one
hundred and ten years before they.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Ever started to play. Let me explain. It was called
the Toledo War.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
See back in seventeen eighty seven, seventeen eighty seven, a
turnd ten years before they even played, Congress drafted a
document called the Northwest Ordinance. And what that did. That
stipulated that there were two hundred and sixty thousand square
miles of territory that were right around the Great Lakes
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Now that would eventually be carved into a handful of
new states. Specifically, there was a law, and the law
decreed that the border in ohioland Michigan was to quote
run east and west on a line drawn through the
southerly band on the extreme of Lake Michigan until it
intersected with Lake Erie, the largest of the five Great Lakes.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Now, there was just one problem.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
This is seventeen eighty seven, Okay, they didn't exactly have
GPS back then, they didn't have maps or cell phones.
And what happened was the best available maps that were
drawing up had Michigan's southern tip being several miles north
of their actual true location. As a result, the original
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border and I know Chris Purfett will remember this in
terms of the Mammi River in the future city of Toledo.
That original border plays the mouth of the Mammi River
and Toledo, which didn't exist yet in northern Ohio rather
than southern Michigan. Well, both Ohio and Michigan say, what's
a big deal, right, Well, this is a big deal,
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and I'll tell you why it's a big deal. Well,
both Ohio and Michigan had good reason for wanting control
of Toledo and the Mami River. Why because forty years
later the completion of the Erie Canal that linked the
Great Lakes to the east coast. So, all of a sudden,
you got this very valuable opportunity for trade. The largest
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port on Lake Erie's western side became Toledo. People moved there,
people lived there, There was commerce, It became a commercial hub.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
It grew.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
All of a sudden, there's all this money and commerce
and jobs and economy riding on this territory, which was
contested both sides. They said, this belongs to us. No,
this belongs to us. They tried to settle the region
by elections, but it didn't work. So all of a sudden,
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this group is constructing roads and holding elections and collecting taxes. Meanwhile,
they even took their case to Washington. In an early
eighteen thirties, Ohio congressman blocked the Michigan petition for statehood,
and they tried to force them to surrender. Now it
became so heated that when Michigan tried to join the
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Union in eighteen thirty five, they wanted to include the
Toledo Strip as their own, but Ohio blocked the admittments.
And now you get the president step again, and he
worked out a compromise where Ohio received the strip and
Michigan received the Upper Peninsula. If you've ever been to Michigan,
you know what the Upper Peninsula is.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Have I convinced you, guys? Or maybe not?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
If you start as a war, is it perhaps the
greatest rivalry anybody? All right, well, let's do this coming up.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Ahead, I want to I was gonna say that for
most people in that rivalry, does that really factor into
like why they feel that way Ohio state versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
There has to be some history. People know about it.
People make fun of each other's states. There's a thing
on HBO, the Ten Year War. I can't tell you
how well it is. How and the insults, it's hilarious.
It's hilarious. Yeah, But going go ahead, I mean to cut.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
You, oh no, no. I mean That's what I was asking though,
is whether that like, I wasn't sure whether or not
people like, if you're an Ohio staten Michigan fan like
factored in the fact that there was really an actual
war involved involving those two states, and that's why they
are such big rivals.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
I thought that way.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
It started that way, yea.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I always thought it was a university specific rivalry and
maybe some geographical pride you know, that does come with it,
but not that deep of a thing. But again, for
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
People, it is.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
But it doesn't hurt that you have a situation where
it all began with the land War with two sides
both believe because a map couldn't be drawn in seventeen
eighty seven. So you'll watch the game a little differently
when it kicks off, Okay, on Saturday morning at nine
am Pacific. Coming up, just a couple of highlights, as
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is some of the more notorious meetings between the Michigan
Ohio state rivalry.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Anybody wants to check.
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We're talking Michigan, Ohio state.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
He's at the greatest rivalry of all time. You want
our way in?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
By the way, we talked about goofy odd sports superstitions
and some of them involved urine. Yeah on your hands,
drinking it. And these are big time athletes here eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox if you want a way in.
I don't know if anybody drinks yurin during the Michigan game,
but I will tell you they've had a storied rivalry
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that goes back well. The first game ever played was
eighteen ninety seven and Ann Arbor and Michigan blew them out.
Thirty four to nothing. And what's interesting is that in
this rivalry there's just been about a little bit about everything.
They've actually even been You can't tie anymore in college
football because you got overtime. They've actually been six ties
in the rivalry. They played to a zero zero tie
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in their second meeting in nineteen hundred, and then they
tied six more times over the next forty years, and
then their last tie was in nineteen ninety two. In
nineteen seventy three, they tied. It was the only blemish
on the school's records in nineteen ninety two. The tie
made Michigan the last team to finish the regular season
unbeaten with only eight wins. They'd already tied Notre Dame
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in Illinois. They had three ties that year. That's a
little too much information. Things really took off for Michigan
at nineteen oh one when they hired a coach from
San Jose State and named Fielding Yost.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
A legend google him.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I used to joke about when I worked in ann Arbor,
the three things I admire most the father's son and
Fielding Yost. Yes, he quickly turned the Wolverine into an
absolutely premier program in college football. He won six national titles,
four straight from nineteen oh one to nineteen oh four.
During that period, Michigan not only won every game played
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in the first Rose Bowl, they beat their opposition so
badly they were called.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
The point a minute team.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And there were games they'd get to about the fourth
quarter and Michigan might be up seventy to nothing or something,
and the coaches would get together in the referees and say, yeah,
I think maybe we've had enough.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Well, what's interesting?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And can you imagine coaching at a college twenty five
years and only losing three games and the tire twenty
five year career. That's what happened with Fielding Yost. However,
that would change and another goofy tradition and you might
see this on the sidelines watched closely Saturday, especially if
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Ohio State wins. Because in nineteen thirty four, Ohio State
was desperate to break this street. They hired a coach
named Francis Schmidt, and reporters asked Schmidt if he thought
Michigan could or check that, if he thought Ohio State
could beat Michigan. He said something to the effect of,
of course, we commit win. Michigan puts their pants on
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one leg at a time, just like we do.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Well.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
He backed up his words. Ohio State proceeded to win
four straight. They not only beat the Wolverines four straight.
Wolverins didn't score point in those four games, and they
were and they were shot out one hundred and fourteen
to nothing. They created gold pants, and they're called the
gold pants charms. So every time if you beat Michigan,
their coaches give out their players these little gold pants.
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Even Bull sham Becker, who'd coach at Ohio State, went
down to become one of Michigan's legendary coaches. While I'm
staff at Ohio State, he won several games against Michigan
and he saved those gold pantss. But mentos, they're like
little what they are, they're like just picture a little
miniature pair, like a charm that someone would have on
a charm brace. But they're gold pants.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's been some wacky things too. Okay, they had a
snow Bowl in nineteen fifty. They woke up and there
was twenty eight inches of snow on the ground. There
were thirty mile an hour wins. You couldn't move the ball.
It was called the Snow Bowl. It was three below zero.
They sold the place out, believe it or not, the
place they played the game, and I think Michigan won.
I don't recall, but there's been there's been crazy things. Finally,
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the ten year war between bow and Woody from nineteen
sixty nine to nineteen seventy nine, before wood he punched
that Clemson.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Linebacker on the game. Well, look, this is I've Joe that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You could say this is worth you could say this
is you know, life and death, but it's actually worse
than that. The truth of the matter is the rest
of the country cares about this game because these schools
traditionally win, maybe not always playing for the national championship.
They might this year, but along the way, these two
schools they produced one hundred and seventy three All Americans,
ten Heisman Trophy winners, eighty one conference championships, and they
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also have and I know it goes back one hundred
and ten years, nineteen national championships. And of course the
two thousand and six game was one of the greatest
games of all time forty two to thirty nine, the
night after Bull Chambecker died. So do I think it
is the greatest rivalry in all sports, going back one
hundred and ten years.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
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we get to the goofy, crazy, idiosyncratic Patrick Mahome and
how he confirms the same superstition he's had for all
eighty nine games of his NFL careers, go out to
the phones. We're joined by Walt Virginny. He wants to
talk about Barry Sanders. Hey, Walt, how are you all right?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Hey, Bernie God, it's a real blessing to speak to you. Man,
I'm a big fan. I thought I would take the
opportunity to call in, because you don't take call ins
on your show. But I wanted to tell you that
I will wake up in the night to listen to
you because you always bring the knowledge and a good perspective.
Whether I agree or not, but you always have a
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very logical explanation of how you feel the way you feel.
But I'm old enough to remember Bernie Barry and Jim Brown.
So in the documentary, they always made a reference or
they did make a reference that Barry's father loved to
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Jim Brown was his favorite running back. So was my father,
and so I understand that that's not a disrespect to
his son, but anybody who was old enough to watch
Jim Brown, h I mean that was a different but
I mean he was a different player. So uh, but
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to blame the quarterback, it was more than that. I
think Jim Brown and both Barry Sanders left at the
top of their game, and I believed that they had
a different vision on what their life needed to be
other than just being banged up all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And that's right, You're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, So it wasn't that, you know, they what
I mean the money Obviously, I don't know what money
they were making at that time, but it was something
different from him, and that, you know what, why shouldn't
I leave now? So I think a lot of times
I think people make way too much of the fact that, well,
why did he leave? No, it was time for him the.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
League it was, and I was in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And by the way, well, as you saw, Barry's dad
thought Jim Brown was number one. Barry thought his dad
himself was number two, and Barry number three. And I've
talked about that. I thought Jim Brown was the greatest
running back of all time. Hey, wal thanks a lot
for checking in. Happy Thanksgiving, and Shane and I are
working on doing something on my Friday Night show because
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we had a back to back contest that when twenty
four weeks and people did like to call in.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
So we're working on something. Walt.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're on the Friday Night Show Friday heading into Saturday,
if you're in Virginia, would be you know, three am
to six am your time. We're working on working on
something along those lines, So keep that in mind.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Walton.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We'll talk to you again, okay, all right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You take care and happy Thanksgiving to.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You every Thanksgiving to you. Pleasure to talk to you.
By the way, he's right about his observations.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
He's spot on.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Barry wanted to do other things in his life.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
He didn't care about records. He could have kept playing
and broken Walter Payton's record even in high school. He
could have broke the state record, he said, put the
young guys in. He didn't care about breaking the records
in college. All of this is true, every bit of it.
And so the truth of the matter is is that
when Barry finally walked away, he just simply had had
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enough of football, very similar to when Jim Brown walked away. Actually,
and I believe in nineteen sixty five to pursue an
acting career.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
One guy who's not walking away anytime soon, even though
probably his opponents wish he would, is Patrick Mahomes. Now,
this is a little goofy to me. Maybe a little creepy, maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Not so much. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Patrick Mahomes confirmed last week that he in fact has
had the same superstition for all eighty nine games of
his entire NFL career. Right, He's not the only one
that's got superstitions. Tiger Wood used to wear a red
shir it's on the final day. Michael Jordan used to
wear a lucky pair of blue basketball shorts even under
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his Bulls uniform. As North Carolina, Patrick Mahomes, he's admitting
wait for it, to wearing the same pair of red
underwear on game days across this whole professional football career.
He got outed by Chad Henny.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Oh no, oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Chad Henny was his backup from twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty three. And he basically let it slip out, he said,
and he said Sunday, it's the same pair of underwear.
This has to be a superstition, a good luck charm.
And Mahomes did admit it for a while, but after
a few months of speculation, he finally confirmed the rumor
on the ESPN Manning Cast just about a week ago
(05:46):
when Buffalo played Denver on Monday Night that Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Win when they beat Buffalo twenty four to twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Mahomes goes on to say, first quote, my wife, Britney,
she got them for me, so I'm not throwing you
all down, but I gotta wear them now. When he
was asked about the superstition, he says, look, I threw
him on that first season.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
We had a pretty good first season.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Says I only wear him on game day, so they're
not too worn down and they're not nasty.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I cleaned them.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay, Well that kind of goes without saying. I'm just curious,
Bill Belichick. I know you're listening to the show tonight. Bill,
are you up? Do you wear the same underwear every
game as well? No, not right now, maybe next week.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't know, Bill, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
We're going to check in next week and see if
you do that. I mean, I bet you would if
you weren't two and eight this year, I bet you would.
But the longest short of it is pat Patrick Mahons
wants to assure us that not only does he wash
them when the team loses, but we're not sure if
he watches them when they win.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And they don't lose that often.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I'm glad I've already had my thanks my thanksgiving me
and I'll tell you that there, fella, because had I
heard this out, Well, well, I actually talked about this
the other day. But the bottom line is, you know,
Patrick Mahome is not the only one, and you know
he plays football, right, But there over the years have
been some superstitions from baseball players, hockey players, and I
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mean they are wacky. And I'm going to bring in
the crew in a bit here, but I'm sure I
want to get their thoughts on Mahomes too. I'm having
a hard time getting my mind around. It just bugs me.
I can't exactly explain why, but it just does. And
I want to share with you folks, not just Mahomes,
some of the truly odd superstitions good ball players, good
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football players, basketball hockey over the years.
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in for Ben Maller, who's enjoying his Thanksgiving. We're coming
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sweep the nation. Do not miss this. What kind of
brand new fool? You followed by what my name? But
you don't believe me? Patrick Mahomes got a strange same
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superstition for all eighty nine games.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Those NFL career. What the hell? Let's hear from the
horses mouth himself, Patrick.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
We taught to we sell your old teammate, your backup quarterback.
Sad Henney said, do you have a few superstitions, and
that one of them is been wearing the same pair
of red underwear on game day for years now, and
I love a good superstition, But you know, could you
just do something like eating the same pregame meal that
have to be the red underwear?
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Well you know, well, first my wife Britney got them
for me, so I had to. I'm not not throwing
y'all down, but I have to wear them, you know.
But uh, at the same time, I throw them on
that first season, we had a pretty good season that season.
I only wear them for game day though, so I
can't get They're not too worn down, They're not like
these like nasty, and I clean them.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I do want to watch them.
Speaker 10 (09:38):
I watched them every once in a while, at least
a d string.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
What is it.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
I mean, if we're if we're on a hot streak,
I can't watch them, you know, Like I got to
just keep them, keep it rolling. So uh, you know,
as long as I'm winning football games, I'll keep the
superstition going.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That's just got worse for me. That's I put that
under the category of t am I Shay, let me
step aside for a minute.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
What do you what do you got to say about this?
Speaker 7 (10:04):
That's a little too much. You might not like this Bernie.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
So I played volleyball a lot of my life, and
I didn't do it for every game, but for every
home game we had at my house at my high school,
I would wear these special silk boxers that my dad
got me this one time. And it was like a
big deal too, because we would all change together in
the locker room and stuff, so the team would see
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that the silk boxers were on, so it was a
pretty big deal. But I would only wear them for
home for home games, and of course I would watch
them because silk boxers are disgusting, especially after you sweat
in them. But no, superstitions are huge, Like almost all
my friends had one, Like it keeps you grounded, almost
like I'm sure you pick them up randomly too, And
it's not something that like you kind of just do.
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But yeah, like it's I think it helps players out,
it keeps them grounded.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, I have no issue with superstition. I was an athlete,
you know, play high school football, baseball, college baseball, had
a brief stint with the Cincinnati Reds organization. I had superstitions.
Certain music I would listen to before games. I'm not
gonna tell you I'm not gonna tell you tonight. Maybe
one of these guys what you listen to?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
That?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, kind of got me relaxed before I dive into
some of these strange but true interesting superstitions among other
athletes and other sports over the years. The chef Kevin Wyre,
do you have any thoughts on this?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I mean, hey, whatever works for him and go for it.
I mean I don't really care. I mean, I personally
don't believe superstitions mean anything, but that's just me. I mean, hey,
if theF has fun with it and he thinks it
makes them play brighter, I mean, who cares. I mean,
it's It's not something I'm overly concerned with or really
care too much about.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And that's fair.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But when you got to the underwear at Pat Mahomes
and you're gonna try to tell me the next time
he jogs out of the field, you're not gonna look
at him just a little bit different. Gonna take a
gonna take a many or tonight now before I go
to Mark Ramsey, I want to get his thoughts with me.
I hopefully he has some one of his hometown heroes there.
I'm guessing Brian Urlacher. He had a very interesting superstition,
very tamed. You heard what Eli Manning said. They're in
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the Manning cast. I couldn't you just have a pregame meal.
Brian Urlacher will eat two chocolate chip cookies before every game.
That was his superstition. Let's see I can get down
with that one, Mark. Do you have any thoughts on
this whole subject matter.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
I guess having a superstition sort of hold you in
place because it's part of your routine and you think
in your mind as an athlete, because you practice a
certain kind of way and you can do certain things.
When something happens and it's good for you, you lock
in that that's going to work every time until it doesn't.
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So you lock into that superstition that holds you together.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Okay, I think you articulate that extremely well because the
idea before you go into the heat of competition is
you want to be able to put yourself in a
state of mind when you were able to perform your
best and perform your best consistently, because how you think
determines how you perform. It's true, and how you feel
determines a lot of times how you think and whatever
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these rituals are if they I believe they do help you.
If you think they help you, they help you, you may
not bat a thousand. Now we start to get into
some of the other ones. Okay, you guys remember moist
sal Louis was a very good player played for the Giants, Believe.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
It or not.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
His superstition was to pee on his hands before he
went up to the bat and went up to the
plate because he believed it would harden his hands. Yes,
not make and I had heard that one before.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No, he didn't use batting gloves, if I recall correct,
he did not.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That might have That might have defeated the purpose.
Speaker 12 (13:54):
That was before the invention of depends right, probably was.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To tay you the truth. Now, this is a weird
one too. And by the way, this guy lives in
Las Vegas. He's a really nice guy. You probably remember him.
He had some great years with the Yankees, got into
the steroid situation a little bit. He in two thousand
and eight, he got into a long slump, and so
we started wearing a gold thong under his uniform and
his slump ended. His other teammates caught wind of it,
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and Johnny Damon said He believed the thong works because
you're not worrying about your hands, You're worried about that uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Feeling you're down there. It was Jason Giambi.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You guys remember Jason giam Oh, yeah, did that. The
Cubs had a pitcher back in the day. His name
was turk Wan Dell and you can google this. This
is a little out there now, nearly as creepy as
the Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Thing he would.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Brush just he was a relief pitcher. He would brush
his teeth in the dugout and then when he went
out to the mountain, he would chewt licorice, all right.
He wore number ninety nine and he you know, he
did other things and he he used to wear this
necklace he would wear every game.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
He was a hunter.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And what he would do, he'd go out and shoot
animals and he'd pull their teeth and make a necklace
out of teeth from lions and wild boars. But he
would always go out to the mound with four pieces
of licorice in his mouth, and then when the ending
was over, Yeah, he'd go back to his dugout and
then brush his teeth in the dugout. Anybody have any
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thoughts on that. I can get behind that one. I
don't like the underwear thing, man, it's freaking me out.
Speaker 12 (15:30):
I'm not messing up my teeth like that during a game.
You know, did this camera and h and I don't
really want to mess up my teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Now, you guys, but Mark, you're outstanding, all right, So
I'm sure you guys follow the UFC. By the way,
if anybody wants to weigh in on this, eight seven, seven,
nine to nine on Fox, Athletes, entertainers, superstitions, what's good,
what's not? Obviously Las Vegas is he huge UFC town?
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And you guys follow sports. You remember an MMA I
think he's retired now, I'm pretty I'm certain he is.
He was an MMA fire fighter. Try that again in English,
Lioto Mashida. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Oh yeah, I remember him.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
I like that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, he's retired.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Okay, this is this this this as George Castanders said,
and in the one of those final, you know, episodes
of Seinfeld, I'm taking it up a notch. He's taking
it up a notch. Lioto Mashida. He was a headliner too, right,
one of the best in the world. He claims this
is not only a superstition, but he owes this to
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his success. Wait for it, he drinks He's on urine. Ah,
he believes that urine therapy has medicinal qualities. He said,
you know what, people think, it's a joke. I never
said it in the United States while I was fighting,
because I knew how fans will react. I drink my
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urine every morning like natrual medicine. And oh, by the way,
who the hell taught him how to do this?
Speaker 13 (17:05):
His father?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Oh no?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And oh, by the way, not only that, his whole
family does it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Drinking urine.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I need him minute, say thoughts, I'm drinking urine, would
you hear urin?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I'm actually go ahead.
Speaker 11 (17:27):
I remember watching like a bear grills like that, like
World Survivor guy, and he'd be like, oh yeah, like
piss on your hand. If you really have to, you
can like boil your peat and drink it and all
this stuff. And I was like, yeah, I know, I'm
out of it. But now you're saying Lioto does it,
and I'm like, okay, Like Lioto, okay. If people who
don't know who Lioto machidaes, He's like a legend. He
kind of was the only person kind of doing karate.
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He's a karate master. He was one of the only
people doing karate during the UFC, knocking people out and
then bowing down to them. And it's it's a known
thing that or not a known thing. A lot of
people think that karate doesn't work in the UFC, and
he kind of destroyed that entire agenda. And hearing this, like,
I love the guy. I loved watching him. He was
so respectful and just hearing this and just makes you
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think maybe he was onto something. Obviously I'm not gonna
try it out, but I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
This guy was a legend. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I have heard that before weightlifters, bodybuilders, athletes, and they
claim it has medicinal qualities. I didn't even want to
think what it might taste like, you know, and what
if you end up having what if you had like
seventeen Crown Royals the night before.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
That's what I was thinking too. Like he's a healthy guy.
He's probably drinking like water most of the time, like
eating good foods.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
But I'm thinking the.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Guy that has the absolute worst like worst health like
health style, like that they can't be good for you, Like,
there's no way that's good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But if he claims it's medicinal, yeah, I mean he
was a championship level fighter.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I mean I can't. I don't know, Like this is
just something that's so bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
That's fact reality. Yea reality.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
By the way, chef, you're getting ready to perform here
in a few minutes. You ever drink urine before you,
you know, get behind the mic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I can't say that's something I've ever done. It just
reminds me of a ripped torn in. Uh dodgeball.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Oh yeah, if you could dodge a ball, you could
dodge your in.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
We also is like, uh necessary, isn't necessary for me
to drink my own urine?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Probably not nice? No, I wanted sterile and I like
the chaste.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I bet if we google this, I bet if we google,
I'm not gonna do it right now, but it might
be more common than than than we even uh even realized.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But uh, someone's gonna say something.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
I was gonna say it, like, I mean, it is
a known survival thing though, like I think it was
like World War Two, there were soldiers like who had
to survive off that like like the like the war
in the Pacific, being on islands and stuff without about
US soldiers. Yeah, I think the US Japanese soldiers.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh hell well we would US soldiers entitor Japanese soldiers did.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I'm trying to remember it.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I hope we did it because we won the war.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah, and so I mean, what the.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hell, Maybe I'll go, you know, drink something later then
then again then again maybe not. Right by the way,
there was mother normal you guys remember Jerry Tarcanadian. He
used to chew on a towel during gays. A legendary coach,
Kron Butler, who I think has been a guest on
Fox Sports Radio before. He used to drink mountain dew before, during,
and after every game a lot of mountain dew. Hopefully
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didn't trick him and put urin in there and make
it look like mountain dew. Hopefully that was not the case.
One of the other interesting ones too, Mike Bibby, very
good basketball player, You guys remember Mike Bibby. He had
this odd ritual he would clip his fingernails during timeouts.
Now that that's kind of a superstition I can get
behind as long as he's not eating his clippings and
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washing it down with urine. If you get my get
my drip. Now, this one is weird, okay. Jason Terry,
who was a very good backcourt player for the Dallas
Mavericks for many, many years. Somehow he managed to accumulate
a pair of shorts for every single team.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
In the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Oh, this one's funny.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I know this, and that We'll go ahead. You know what,
let let's not stay your thunder. If you know this story,
tell the folks.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
I think it's so.
Speaker 11 (21:01):
He wears the pants like he sleeps in the pants
of his enemies, like over like the people he's about
to play, or something like that. And like I remember
reading this somewhere, like he like would sleep in in
their pants the night before the game.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
He nailed it, He just nailed it. Yeah, the night
before that he would sleep in their pants.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Why, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Rick the pants.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Ritchie Ashburn legendary player if you are a Phillies fan,
and this goes way back.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He played in the sixties fifties, way before my time.
He would sleep with his bats. He would sleep not
the kind of bats would fly away, the kind that
you take up to the And what's interesting is he
would tell the clubhouse attendants, do not mix in my
bats with the rest of the other bats.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Those bats are inferior. I only want to use.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The bats that I slept with. Okay, by the way,
I don't know if this is a kosher Pelly Lindberg,
who was a famous goalie for the Philadelphia Flyers for years, Okay,
he had a couple of quarks. He ended up wearing
the same orange T shirt under his hockey pads, not
for one season for his entire career, and every time
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it woren out, he would sew it back together.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
This is the weird one.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Guys, how would you feel if your favorite hockey player
and your hockey goalie was drinking beer during the game.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I mean, hey, if they kept winning, I'd be like,
what works Swannish beer?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Go ahead, Shay.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I would just think he's looser.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Yeah, wedding. I mean, you're allowed to do a lot
more than if you're losing.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Here's the best part.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
The beer was served to him by one of the
assistant coaches between periods, and he had one more quirk
to go along with his beer, he had to have
two ice cubes in it. So he'd drink a Swedish
beer called Prips in between every single period during NHL games,
and he'd had to It was served to him by
an assistant coach, the same assistant coach every time, and
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the glass had.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To have two ice cubes in it. That's going next level.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Finally, the one everybody remembers, the legendary Wade Bogs. He
a chicken before every game. He had forty different recipes
so we wouldn't get tired of it. But Wade Bogs,
one of the greatest hitters of all time, a chicken
chicken before every game? Yes he did. Coming up, we're
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gonna talk about the Michigan Ohio state rivalry. Is it
the greatest rivalry of all time in all sports?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I say yes. I'll explain why coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But first let's go to our guy, the chef with
the latest Let me sing you a little song.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
We're all special and I one way. Everybody's different. But
that's okay because even though we might have had different
colored skin, different points of view, who's be tall out,
It doesn't mean I can't lay you down, woman, And
that's your silky skin.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But my love even start you one.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
No man has ever.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Been coress your ties.
Speaker 13 (24:16):
And what'll we talking about again?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Chef, outstanding effort regaling what we do every in the
Bernie Show for a grateful nation. Mallard audience, by the way,
eight seven seven nine Fox, give us a call a night, Chef,
take it away with the updates.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
All right.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
We had a big day of football in the nfls.
We always do want Thanksgiving, right, I mean you can't.
It's turkey stuffing, mashed potatoes, pumpkin pie football. I mean,
that's really what Thanksgiving is a lot oftentimes about. And
we had a triple header of games. Only one of
them really was close, though, and they didn't even start
out that way, the Packers jumping out to a twenty
to six lead of the Lions after one quarter twenty
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three to six at the half. The Lions, for their credit, however,
had a strong set and half try to make a
comeback attempt hell the Packers for just six second half points,
but they fall just shot twenty nine to twenty two.
Jared Goff three hundred thirty two passing yards two touchdowns
as Detroit now eight and three on the season. Jordan Love,
though played well for Green Bay two hundred and sixty
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eight yards, three touchdowns. Other action from the Thanksgiving Holiday
two blowouts. The Cowboys dismantle the Commanders forty five to
ten as Dak Prescott three hundred thirty one passing yards,
four touchdowns, but Deron Land once again getting himself a
pick six. It's his fifth of the season that sets
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a new NFL single season record, and Dallas for their part,
they are now eight and three save for the forty
nine ers. They moved to eight and three with a
thirty one to thirteen win against the Seahawks. Brock Perty
did throw a pick six, but otherwise did play adequately
two hundred nine yards and a touchdown. Christian McCaffrey a
hundred and fourteen yards to touchdown runs the Seahawks six
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and five. They are clinging to a wildcard spot. Some
injury updates the athletic reporting Vikings star receiver Justin Jefferson
will not play against the Bears this week. Rams wide
receiver Cooper Cup he has an ankle spring and he
did return to practice on Thursday. Ravens wide receiver's A
Flowers limited at practice on Wednesday, with a hip issue.
He didn't practice at all on Thursday. Great teams in
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action on Thanksgiving in college hoops, Villanova beats number fourteen
North Carolina in overtime eighty three, eighty one, Number three
Arizona over number twenty one, Michigan State seventy four, sixty
eight Number nineteen, Florida Atlantic defeats Butler ninety one, eighty six,
Number twelve Texas A and m tops Penn State eighty
nine to seventy seven. In Colorado State getting the upset
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against number eight Creyton sixty nine to sixty eight. Back
to you, Bernie, All.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Right, thanks, chef. Great job is always going to remind
the folks.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
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me at my regular times eleven pm Pacific on Friday
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pm to three am. Will be back on these airwaves
both of those nights with my crew. Guys, before I
get into the reason, and you're gonna get a kick
out of this, why I believe the Michigan Ohio state
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rivalry is the most intensive all time, Shay Kevin, Mark
you guys, you know, Red Sox, Yankees, whatever? Do you
think another rivalry is more important anybody?
Speaker 12 (27:45):
When it comes to which rivalry?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now, I believe the Michigan Ohio State's the greatest rivalry
of all time. And I'm gonna give my reason in
a second. I just wondered if you had a thought
on which sports rivalry you believe is the most intense.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Alabama Auburn that's.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
A good one.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The Iron Bowl that is a pretty good one, Shay Kevin, anybody.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I would definitely say Dodgers Giants because it's a rivalry
that's gone back a century and been played on two
separate coasts, and it's much more evenly played than some
other rivalries that people like to mention, like the Yankees
and Red Sox. It seems like it's always the Yankees
winning it, They've won way more championships, while the Dodgers
and Giants they're far more even in that category, both
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head to head and titles won throughout their history. So
that plus the geographical aspect of it, going from New
York going to the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They followed each other, Yeah, they followed each other. Or
stonem of the Giants camp, yes, Shae.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Anything to add to that.
Speaker 11 (28:41):
This might just be biased because I went to ASU,
but I really think the U of A, as you like,
out of most at least in the Pac twelve, is
one of the most insane rillalies I've seen.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (28:52):
There definitely could be more, but UCLA USC is just
not what it is like Oregon Oregon State just isn't
what it was. And I just I really think you
have a ASU In all of their sports it was
always very similar. Obviously not in basketball, but everything else
it was always very similar, and it was always something
that I got riled up for. So it could be
because I have biased, But at the same time, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
So I'm a little biased.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But when you hear this, you may be scratching your head,
and every bit of it is true. I'm talking about
Michigan Ohio State. You know, back in nineteen sixty eight,
when it was Woody Hayes and the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Here's how intensive game can get. Michigan was trailing forty
one to fourteen and the game was winding down.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It was basically over.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Ohio State scores a late touchdown forty eight to fourteen.
They line up and they go for two. They win
fifty to fourteen. Now, after the game was over, their
legendary coach Woody Hayes was asked in the postgame press conference, Coach,
you're already up forty eight fourteen. Why the hell did
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you go for two? He said, because they wouldn't let
me go for three. That's how intense that rivalry is.
Look how many of these rivalries, and they're all good Alabama, Auburn, Dodgers, Giants,
Arizona State, Arizona, How many of these started as a war?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I am not joking.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
The Michigan Ohio State rivalry started as a war one
hundred and ten years before they.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Ever started to play. Let me explain. It was called
the Toledo War.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
See back in seventeen eighty seven, seventeen eighty seven, a
turnd ten years before they even played, Congress drafted a
document called the Northwest Ordinance. And what that did. That
stipulated that there were two hundred and sixty thousand square
miles of territory that were right around the Great Lakes
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Now that would eventually be carved into a handful of
new states. Specifically, there was a law, and the law
decreed that the border in ohioland Michigan was to quote
run east and west on a line drawn through the
southerly band on the extreme of Lake Michigan until it
intersected with Lake Erie, the largest of the five Great Lakes.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Now, there was just one problem.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
This is seventeen eighty seven, Okay, they didn't exactly have
GPS back then, they didn't have maps or cell phones.
And what happened was the best available maps that were
drawing up had Michigan's southern tip being several miles north
of their actual true location. As a result, the original
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border and I know Chris Purfett will remember this in
terms of the Mammi River in the future city of Toledo.
That original border plays the mouth of the Mammi River
and Toledo, which didn't exist yet in northern Ohio rather
than southern Michigan. Well, both Ohio and Michigan say, what's
a big deal, right, Well, this is a big deal,
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and I'll tell you why it's a big deal. Well,
both Ohio and Michigan had good reason for wanting control
of Toledo and the Mami River. Why because forty years
later the completion of the Erie Canal that linked the
Great Lakes to the east coast. So, all of a sudden,
you got this very valuable opportunity for trade. The largest
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port on Lake Erie's western side became Toledo. People moved there,
people lived there, There was commerce, It became a commercial hub.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
It grew.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
All of a sudden, there's all this money and commerce
and jobs and economy riding on this territory, which was
contested both sides. They said, this belongs to us. No,
this belongs to us. They tried to settle the region
by elections, but it didn't work. So all of a sudden,
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this group is constructing roads and holding elections and collecting taxes. Meanwhile,
they even took their case to Washington. In an early
eighteen thirties, Ohio congressman blocked the Michigan petition for statehood,
and they tried to force them to surrender. Now it
became so heated that when Michigan tried to join the
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Union in eighteen thirty five, they wanted to include the
Toledo Strip as their own, but Ohio blocked the admittments.
And now you get the president step again, and he
worked out a compromise where Ohio received the strip and
Michigan received the Upper Peninsula. If you've ever been to Michigan,
you know what the Upper Peninsula is.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Have I convinced you, guys? Or maybe not?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
If you start as a war, is it perhaps the
greatest rivalry anybody? All right, well, let's do this coming up.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Ahead, I want to I was gonna say that for
most people in that rivalry, does that really factor into
like why they feel that way Ohio state versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
There has to be some history. People know about it.
People make fun of each other's states. There's a thing
on HBO, the Ten Year War. I can't tell you
how well it is. How and the insults, it's hilarious.
It's hilarious. Yeah, But going go ahead, I mean to cut.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
You, oh no, no. I mean That's what I was asking though,
is whether that like, I wasn't sure whether or not
people like, if you're an Ohio staten Michigan fan like
factored in the fact that there was really an actual
war involved involving those two states, and that's why they
are such big rivals.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
I thought that way.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
It started that way, yea.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I always thought it was a university specific rivalry and
maybe some geographical pride you know, that does come with it,
but not that deep of a thing. But again, for
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
People, it is.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
But it doesn't hurt that you have a situation where
it all began with the land War with two sides
both believe because a map couldn't be drawn in seventeen
eighty seven. So you'll watch the game a little differently
when it kicks off, Okay, on Saturday morning at nine
am Pacific. Coming up, just a couple of highlights, as
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is some of the more notorious meetings between the Michigan
Ohio state rivalry.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Anybody wants to check.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
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We're talking Michigan, Ohio state.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
He's at the greatest rivalry of all time. You want
our way in?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
By the way, we talked about goofy odd sports superstitions
and some of them involved urine. Yeah on your hands,
drinking it. And these are big time athletes here eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox if you want a way in.
I don't know if anybody drinks yurin during the Michigan game,
but I will tell you they've had a storied rivalry
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that goes back well. The first game ever played was
eighteen ninety seven and Ann Arbor and Michigan blew them out.
Thirty four to nothing. And what's interesting is that in
this rivalry there's just been about a little bit about everything.
They've actually even been You can't tie anymore in college
football because you got overtime. They've actually been six ties
in the rivalry. They played to a zero zero tie
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in their second meeting in nineteen hundred, and then they
tied six more times over the next forty years, and
then their last tie was in nineteen ninety two. In
nineteen seventy three, they tied. It was the only blemish
on the school's records in nineteen ninety two. The tie
made Michigan the last team to finish the regular season
unbeaten with only eight wins. They'd already tied Notre Dame
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in Illinois. They had three ties that year. That's a
little too much information. Things really took off for Michigan
at nineteen oh one when they hired a coach from
San Jose State and named Fielding Yost.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
A legend google him.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I used to joke about when I worked in ann Arbor,
the three things I admire most the father's son and
Fielding Yost. Yes, he quickly turned the Wolverine into an
absolutely premier program in college football. He won six national titles,
four straight from nineteen oh one to nineteen oh four.
During that period, Michigan not only won every game played
(37:31):
in the first Rose Bowl, they beat their opposition so
badly they were called.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
The point a minute team.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And there were games they'd get to about the fourth
quarter and Michigan might be up seventy to nothing or something,
and the coaches would get together in the referees and say, yeah,
I think maybe we've had enough.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Well, what's interesting?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And can you imagine coaching at a college twenty five
years and only losing three games and the tire twenty
five year career. That's what happened with Fielding Yost. However,
that would change and another goofy tradition and you might
see this on the sidelines watched closely Saturday, especially if
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Ohio State wins. Because in nineteen thirty four, Ohio State
was desperate to break this street. They hired a coach
named Francis Schmidt, and reporters asked Schmidt if he thought
Michigan could or check that, if he thought Ohio State
could beat Michigan. He said something to the effect of,
of course, we commit win. Michigan puts their pants on
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one leg at a time, just like we do.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Well.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
He backed up his words. Ohio State proceeded to win
four straight. They not only beat the Wolverines four straight.
Wolverins didn't score point in those four games, and they
were and they were shot out one hundred and fourteen
to nothing. They created gold pants, and they're called the
gold pants charms. So every time if you beat Michigan,
their coaches give out their players these little gold pants.
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Even Bull sham Becker, who'd coach at Ohio State, went
down to become one of Michigan's legendary coaches. While I'm
staff at Ohio State, he won several games against Michigan
and he saved those gold pantss. But mentos, they're like
little what they are, they're like just picture a little
miniature pair, like a charm that someone would have on
a charm brace. But they're gold pants.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's been some wacky things too. Okay, they had a
snow Bowl in nineteen fifty. They woke up and there
was twenty eight inches of snow on the ground. There
were thirty mile an hour wins. You couldn't move the ball.
It was called the Snow Bowl. It was three below zero.
They sold the place out, believe it or not, the
place they played the game, and I think Michigan won.
I don't recall, but there's been there's been crazy things. Finally,
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the ten year war between bow and Woody from nineteen
sixty nine to nineteen seventy nine, before wood he punched
that Clemson.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Linebacker on the game. Well, look, this is I've Joe that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You could say this is worth you could say this
is you know, life and death, but it's actually worse
than that. The truth of the matter is the rest
of the country cares about this game because these schools
traditionally win, maybe not always playing for the national championship.
They might this year, but along the way, these two
schools they produced one hundred and seventy three All Americans,
ten Heisman Trophy winners, eighty one conference championships, and they
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also have and I know it goes back one hundred
and ten years, nineteen national championships. And of course the
two thousand and six game was one of the greatest
games of all time forty two to thirty nine, the
night after Bull Chambecker died. So do I think it
is the greatest rivalry in all sports, going back one
hundred and ten years.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
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