I WANT YOUR FLEX – Super Bowl Reactions

It’s Fox Sports Radio’s Official Fantasy Football Podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon react to the Chiefs beating the Eagles in Super Bowl  57. The guys debate the controversial penalty late in the game that solidified the win for KC. Dan and Mike dive into the strong individual performances from both teams. Plus, Dan gives exclusive insight on what it was like to experience the big game in person!

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Ryan bur Singer. And Mike we have an announcement to make.
I uh And the announcement is I'm a liar. And
the reason I'm a liar is because on our last
podcast that we did a week ago, I said this
is going to be our season finale, and that is
not the case. We're gonna actually do one more episode
after this one because there was just so much that

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went on in Super Bowl, everything that went around it,
that we didn't think it would be fair to just
skim off of this or to trim a draft. So
instead what we're gonna do, Mike and I are going
to focus on what happened in Arizona between the Chiefs
and Eagles, and then everything also outside of that. And
then our final episode will launch next week and it

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is our fantasy football draft, your first look at the
players that you are likely going to be drafting in
the summer. We're gonna do that next week. Is that's
good with you? There's so much to get to with
Super Bowl fifty seven, but Rogers will come out of
darkness by that and maybe we'll have decisions. So yes,

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I'll go into darkness and maybe I'll get some clarity.
There probably will be a lot of things that happened
between this recording and the next recording. When I'm looking
forward to that, looking forward to see what our board is,
me Mike and Ryan will be breaking down and we
still have to figure out how many rounds were gonna do.
We're gonna do top sixty, Okay, alright, I was gonna
say top sixty, and uh, that's that's sixty. That that's

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good enough. So I'm good with that. Rounds. When you
only have three people in the draft, it's not as
daunting when you say a fifteen or twenty round draft
and there's only three rounds to draft. But that's what
we will do in our final episode. Alright, enough about that,
Let's start with the end, because that seems to be
what has garnered so much conversation. The holding call that

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allowed the Chiefs to work the clock, Mike get that
game winning kick by Harrison Butker, leaving just seconds remaining
for the Eagles to really do nothing. Hold. Was it
a hold? Shouldn't have been a hold? What about the
play involving James Bradberry and Judice Smith Schuster. Yeah, I
think it comes down to, yes, it's a hold. Was
it disagreed, just as the one they didn't call earlier

(02:59):
in the game between the same two participants. No, but
it's a hold. And and it always gets back into
the gray area because you know, listening to the broadcast
and watching it live, and of course because I'm a nerd,
I go back and watch the game again. I got problems,
but I got a couple of months where I don't
have to do it now, I guess, so I'll go

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find something to binge watch. I've started um the Harrison
Ford Jason Segel Apple plus um thing called shrinking about
therapists and whatever. It's really funny and really good, really
a lot of a lot of poignant stuff anyway. But
the by the way, I was at the game, so
I don't see I didn't see any of the commercials.
All I know is that my my wife told me,

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literally text during the game, we need to change our
Netflix password because something weird is happening with it. And
then I realized that it was that to be commercial. Yeah, so,
but my wife thought that someone was hacking into my
personal accounts during the super Bowl and watching a channel,
and it did freak a lot of people out, Yeah,

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a lot of And I don't know how that one
gets approved and other stuff like, well maybe it's a
little bit objectional. No, this you just piste off million people.
It's trying to have her seventy nine year old Armenian
father trying to figure out what the hell just happened.
It was pure chaos apparently in the buyer household when

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that that commercial went up. But it was good to
know that it happened everywhere across the country, so at
least at least we've got that situation covered where they
weren't alone in that boat, but yeah, uh so Greg
Olsen on the play earlier in the game, Bradberry grabbing
Juju Smith Schuster's jersey. No no penalty called on that play,

(04:49):
was pretty adamant. Wow, got away with a big jersey
hold whatever. And then in the end of the game
he's singing to the rest of the choir and he
did a fantastic job. He Burkhart were great, but did
the old well time of the game and situation, and
you know, Mike Carrera kind of is talking it out

(05:11):
and you see the replay and the first engage was like, yeah,
there was that's a clutch, that's a hole, that's where
you'd call it. And my problem wasn't when, but when,
So when it was called time whatever. If it's a fall,
it's fall, right, If it's a if it's a penalty,
it's a penalty. The larger thing is it seemed like
it took a little time to get there from when

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the infraction occurred. And obviously you don't have the full
pan out. I haven't seen in all twenty two, so
I don't know if he's reaching for the flag or
if it was a cell job. After the balls in
the air and everybody turns and starts screaming at the official.
That one seemed a little weird to me, right because
normally they're pretty good with the graphics of hey, there's
a flag on the field, and and they notice it

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and they pin it, and you already immediately have that
in the lower third. That didn't happen right away, So
I didn't know how much of that was Mahomes and
company lobbying that got that flag out versus it was
already in process and just took a second to get
out or a second to wait to see how the
play developed, whatever the case was. That part of it

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was a little more confusing to me in the end.
I get it, it's in the final two minutes of
a game, and we've had so much talk of officials, Dan,
but I thought he held him in live, even before
you showed me a slow motion replay of where his
hands are and such. I just I thought it was
I thought I was just so so penal to the

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Philadelphia Eagles, and I will try not to say that word.
A bunch of this podcast was pretty good, now, I
mean I really walked up to it cautiously. It was
like you're approaching a put. I'm gonna try to limit
the limit, but I just thought it was extremely harsh.
You could say punitive, because yes, I could have, but
I just felt that pen was the best word to

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use in that situation. Here's here's how it played out.
So that play is actually going to the end zone
where we were for so I'm I was in the
opposite corner. I was. I was at the s of Eagles.
That's where That's where where my view of this was
at the game. And so you see the play, you

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see the pass, and then to your point about the
delay in order the flag coming in late, that's when
it came in and it was Mike, it was This
is what my thought process was because Juju was running
clear to the end zone at that point. So you're

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spot on in that the foul happened so early that
what took the flag. So then you're like, well, why
is there a flag if Juju is running clear in
a ball that was severely overthrown. And that's where I
come into this of of it's it's holding versus past

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interference where I don't think that the I don't think
that the ball was catchable. Let's put it that way.
I think that even if Jujus miss Schuster is not
held on that play, I don't think he catches the football.
I think that it was it was that much overthrown
and that this is where I think like as an

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official and as a referee, you have to have I
think you have to be aware of everything because that
was the worst scenario for the Philadelphia Eagles. Judice miss
Suster catching that football is not the worst case scenario
for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's that holding penalty, uh that

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gives them an automatic first down on that third down
play like a touchdown is like Okay, they're knowing what
could have been the alternative. And that's why I just
I don't think it should have been called I I mean,
for how late it was or rut. I actually thought, Mike,
then it could have been maybe maybe there was a pick,
you know, because I didn't see the development the early
part of the route as it was happening, and in

(09:08):
the stadium, they only showed one replay, and the one
replay that they showed did not give a clear and
definitive look that I thought that I was like, oh,
that stood out and said, oh, that's holding, and so
I thought, well, maybe they're just not showing it because
it was such an egregious call. They didn't want to
keep showing replay after replay how it wasn't a foul.
You know, four or five days after, Roger Goodell says

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the officiating has never been better. But I just I
don't think it should have been called because it there.
It took the air out of the game for for
everybody that knows football, like you knew it. Oh, it's
a first down to the Eagles, you know, have limited
time ons think had one time out at that point,
and now it's just a first down for the Chiefs
and they're gonna just run the clock out and kick

(09:52):
a short field goal and that's going to be the game.
And that's what was so disappointing for a game that
was such so back and forth. And that's why I
just think that the referee needs to be aware in
that situation. Yeah, it's it's hard, right, you know, real
time bang bang plays and part of the argument and
I'm sure you've heard this, probably been involved in a
few of these on the phone and radio spots you

(10:14):
were doing as you were coming back from Arizona, and
back into l A. Dan and certainly something Smith and
I argued about and I really tried to get his
dander up. Uh is is just the argument of the
consistency of NFL officials and trying to figure out where
that time in the game is where a quote, you know,
matters more. You know what I mean, because because in

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this case, you have the obviously they get the first down,
Eagles are down to one time out now and you're
able to bleed clock because McKinnon does the slide right
and it goes from there. But you look at other
points in the game, and I still think that uh

(11:00):
should have had a second scoop slam from Bolton, but
you know they the old football move. Pereyra on the
broadcast says, well, he didn't have a third step, like wait,
we need a third step now, like wait, hold on,
and then you have the play, um, so that's seven
points that they don't get. And then the Eagles on
that drive you have the Goddard catch no catch along

(11:21):
the sideline which he juggles and are we arguing football
move on the sideline or is that only between the
hash marks? Like what are we doing here? So you
know that that's the other thing. We start opening up
a whole other can of worms. As far as officiating,
the fact that you only had nine penalties from the
Jeffer's crew is pretty impressive on this question. Did you
pick the Chiefs twin? Yes? Okay, No, No, I'm not

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I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying, don't worry, don't don't.
It's okay because I picked the Eagles twin and so
like like and it's funny because you're like what you're saying,
I don't think there was any way that was a
catch for Miles Sanders, Like I didn't think there's there's
any way that they could call that a fumble. But
I'm also not wondering to myself, all right, am I

(12:09):
just biased? Because right I picked the Chiefs before the season.
I'm like, damn it, they're gonna finish this like with
the Sanders, like that's always a thing with me of
football moves and and and we're back to what constitutes
a catch, right because he catches the ball, does a
little hop and then gets blown up and the ball

(12:30):
gets knocked loose, Like okay, so where are we drawing
the line? Right? Because we always had the toe taps
on the sidelines or whatever. It's like, well, is that
is that a football movers that? You know? Just all right?
You got two ft down? Because if you're gonna argue
on the other one. And and this is game specific,
because I just find it the fascinating theater of trying

(12:51):
to interpret the NFL's rules anymore, because even the rules
officials contradict themselves with each sentence. Sorry Mike Pereira, but
I love you, but in this case, you know, it
was kind of let's have it all in the interpretation
of these things. Dan, like when he says Sanders needed
to have another another steps, like, well, if he catches
it and his feet go down to the ground, shouldn't

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that be a catch, by the way we interpreted everywhere else?
So if he then gets not silly and the ball
goes loose, why is that not count as a catch?
I think, I think to your point, like, like what
you're saying is um is understandable. But I I have
always and I think you have to have understood the

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third step. If the guy's running a slant, you know,
in a situation and kind of does a little you know,
jump for the ball. One too and then it's jarred loose.
That's an incomplete pass, you know, because I've always argued
it should have been the other. So I'm consistent with it,
but I understand it, right, but I don't have to
agree with it. Yeah, yeah, no, I know that you're

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you're not you're not arguing the call that was made
by the officials. You're calling on how the rule? You know,
how are we implying these things right, particularly when it
comes down to the sideline stuff where it's essentially the
same thing except they go, I'll tell you what the
DeVante here I am. But yeah, like like it took
seventeen replays before you finally saw one that said, okay,

(14:20):
I get why you can overturn that, and then they did.
It's like okay, but but it's also like DeVante Smith
had one two feet inbounds, third one steps out of bounds,
then goes to the ground and ball is loose right
the old through the ground. Yeah yeah, So so to
the same thing of like the Sanders catch, then like

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there's there's the same thing that hex Smith took a
third step where he was actually out of bounds technically
where you know, you know, then you're wondering, Yeah, how
much is it? You know, as you said to to
completing the catch, and I think they made the right call,
you know in that situation. It it's just it's just
the it's the Chiefs getting these calls and back to

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back weeks. And this one was more egregious than the
a f C Championship because Harrison Butker still had to
make the kick in the a f C Championship game
and it put the Chiefs in field goal range um
and but in the you know, however cold it was
in Kansas City that night. Heck, Butcker missed one in
perfect you know weather, you know, just on Sunday. You know,

(15:29):
so liked field goals, didn't care. So it just tells
you so like if Butker misses on Sunday against the Bengals,
you know, in the a f C Championship game, the
Joseph Asai shove is not as much of a story,
but he makes it, and so then it's the story.
This was This just ended the game for what was

(15:49):
such a good back and forth game. And and listen
they you know, I I you know, we get into
into more of it, but it's just it literally just
it sucked the air out of the stadium so much so,
Mike that I think the Chiefs were excited, but there
was no like audible like, oh my goodness, were about

(16:10):
to win the Super Bowl because now all of us
and you're just like, okay, first down, we can run
out the clock like there was and it was a
you know, fifty fifty split. I I felt maybe slightly
slanted towards the Eagles fans they're also louder, but yeah,
it was. It was just a weird way to end
the game and probably fitting for what we had this

(16:31):
entire season. Well that's just it, right. It puts a
bow on a season that was fraught with questionable officiating call.
I mean, if you put a two minute reporter, that's
kind of where we're at here. Hey, we're sorry that
we made this call. We'd like to explain why we did.
But good luck, have a good, good evening, because that's
the hard part is coming out of it. We're going

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back to the Bengals, either two weeks ago or if
you want to go back to last year's Super Bowl.
It's like the assumption is all is you're gonna have
another run at it. Well, eventually those run out eventually
the team splinters or whatever. And while the Eagles look
set up for success, who the hell knows what next
year looks like. Right, you have everything in place, You're

(17:13):
gonna have some probably some change on the offensive line
I would suspect going forward. But the the overall ramification,
I mean, these are legacy making calls and and and
that's the hard part of it is that we spent
or or most spent a good chunk of the day,
you know, about the holding penalty as opposed to the

(17:34):
larger pictures of a lot of this other stuff. Not
that there's not plenty of time to do it, don't
get me wrong, But you know, we're we're like society
as a whole, shiny new object. What's happening? Aaron Rodgerson
is dark room? Derek Carr is gonna go where. I mean,
we get into all of that fun and excitement, But
no I can understand, like in that stadium, I gotta
imagine that it's just absolute deflation and curiosity of wow,

(17:57):
what's going on here? All right? As you said, we
are working backwards into Mike's point. Maybe what's most recent
sticks in our head. But they had holding penalty and
what happened does stick in our head, but spicy, but
it did. I mean it's again, if Judy sic Uster
catches the ball in the end zone, it does not
end the game. It gives the Chiefs a much better

(18:19):
chance to anyway. All right, let's move on. If I'm
an Eagles fan, If I'm an Eagles fan, which I
am not, UM did pick them to win. But I'm
not an Eagles fan. I look at that game, and
I know how I lost. I know why I lost.
I'd cue the Dennist Green speech, but you know, you

(18:40):
crown them. You know, they completely let them off the hook.
And it is And I am giving Kansas City the
credit um for the Cadarius Tony punt return. Um. I
don't know how much credit they deserve on the Hurts
fumble since it seemed like it was a lot of

(19:00):
Philadelphia self inflicted wounds of Hurts. But I'll tell you what.
When Hurts wanted to run on third and six and
the whole wasn't there, that's what he freaked out. So
I'm giving the Chiefs, you know, credit there. But you
look at you look at that stat sheet, and if
you didn't have a score, Mike if you just took
the numbers and covered up the touchdowns and you gave

(19:23):
it to an Egos fan before the game and said,
would you take this as it plays out? Ten out
of ten times you would take that statuet. There was
no doubt because they dominated that not under the dominant
time of possession. He held Patrick Mahomes to under two
yards passing you were The running game wasn't great, but

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you weren't killed by Travis Kelsey like there was and
and and heck, you held the ball for like, you know,
twelve minutes in the second quarter. It seemed like like
that was the recipe for Philadelphia to win and I
still can't do it. And that's that's like my biggest
takeaway from it is, Man, you want to you know,

(20:05):
the Chiefs did make plays, and the plays that they made,
you know, so hurt Philadelphia because Philadelphia really turned into
the type of game that they wanted and they still
didn't win it. No, I'd say, you get into this
high scoring affair, which I was shocked, although you know,
I I have to ask the questions since we're getting

(20:26):
into the game and gameplay as a whole. Did the
end zones and the field look good enough for the
chaos caused by the slipperiness there. It's the the i've
I've I've talked to a couple of people about this,
and it's it has nothing to do with the super

(20:51):
Bowl in my mind, and has nothing to do with
the super Bowl preparation. And it's everything to do with
that stadium. I have never, ever, Mike heard one person
say I really love the field conditions in that stadium ever,
And it is I know, the NFL comes out there

(21:11):
making videos and we got this, you know, turf, and
we overseated it with this, and this has been growing
for and it's U s g A when you step
on it. I stepped on it and I wasn't sure
if it was turf for grass. And I know when
I step on a lawn when it's grass and and
and and that should tell you about the surface it is.

(21:34):
But it's you can only do so much. And I
just think I go back. I could go back to
the eighties, pre eighties, when guys are blowing out their
knees all the time on AstroTurf, When seventies and eighties
when AstroTurf was a good idea and you're looking back
on it and being like, why in the heck did
we think that that was a good idea? And now

(21:56):
we're kind of getting to that stage with the newer turf, right,
you know, like we've heard Cooper Cup, you know all
games should be played on grass? Is that the grass
you want to play on? Because I haven't heard one
good word from anybody who's ever played a game in
that stadium that has said we love the surface. And
so I don't think it's just a Super Bowl problem, Mike.

(22:17):
I I think, like, you know, the stadiums over fifteen
years old, you know, like, so it's it's it's always
been there. It's always been a problem. It doesn't freaking work,
you know, it doesn't you know. I mean it's neat
to roll out the tray and all that. But if
every time in a big game somebody's complaining about their footing,
then what good is it. I can't find any reason.

(22:38):
It's joke. Yeah, So you've got that in the background.
So a lot of slipping, which means the defensive lines
didn't get to really do their work. But I give
credit to Andy Hack, former Seahawk draft pick, and his
unit for the job that they did uh during the
game and the heck I think was seventy five for
the Sea I remember, or rookie card. But anyway, so

(23:02):
the you go through the process of the game and
they just came and took it bad. That's fine, that's
you can do it on the fly. Uh, you just
miss remembered like Roger Clemons. But the the idea that
you had these long protracted drives and as you said,

(23:23):
you go through the box score and it's all these advantages. Uh,
well except for for the big one, the fumble. That
was the mystery. Now that would have been brought up
a fourth down and and this is the curiosity, right
the the Clarious Tony punt return. I was surprised the
punted with the almost twelve minutes remaining. Now I know,
momentum and all that, and they were now down a point.

(23:46):
I was surprised they didn't go for it on fourth
and along to short three. It was a bad punt too.
It was an awful point, like Adarius Tony like, because yeah,
they gave me the greatest part ever. It's like, well,
he hadn't had to punt a lot the last couple
of weeks. Footing was an issue. So that's in the
back of your head, right, all of that plays into
a terrible punt and Super Bowl record breaking thing that

(24:10):
sets him up on the doorstep. But to the point
of giving his aggressiveness on the fourth down, Hell, I
would have gone to that rugby scrum thing we've all
been talking about and just done that. Let's roll up
another two yards. They're either diving off sides or their
neutral zone and fractions, or you're picking up two to
three yards or at a minimum. So this is how

(24:33):
I thought they were going to play it out that
they thought. And I don't know how the Eagles thought
they could get a stop because they couldn't um. But
I thought, all right, they think that they can get
a stop and then they can put in you know,
eight minute or together, you know, and and end up
winning it. And I think that they didn't want to

(24:54):
be on tilt to use a poker term for a
guy that doesn't play poker, But I I think that they,
you know, they didn't want to appear that they were
rattled or felt desperate, and they just felt they could
just get one stop and do it and then you
punt it away and then you just immediately regret the decision.
That was what I was thinking, why they didn't go

(25:15):
for it? No, it was I mean, it's there's there's
just the play when when you when you take the
Hurts fumble and again, there was so much that actually
happened after that, because the Eagles scored ten un answered.
But if you take that fumble um away and you

(25:38):
don't have the false start, you have the short yardage
and they were obviously very good in short yardage um
which was another story that's probably gonna be talked about
this offseason, is you know, the the again pile pushing
like you had. I mean, it was it was almost
like a cheap code for a video game. And so
to have the false start like it was just self inflicted,
you know, and to have it back up, you know,

(26:00):
from what was going to be a third and short
that you were likely going to get the first down,
and then having the false start and then having the
third and six and then having the fumbull like comedy
of airs there for the Eagles, it did allow It
did allow the Chief's offense to stay off the field though,
and I thought maybe the Eagles and We're going to
use that to their advantage. But you know, they did
dominate tom of possession, but they never really got the

(26:22):
run game going, like they wanted to get the run game. Well,
in the first half, they got the run game going
with Jalen Hurts. Yeah, and that and that was about it.
I mean, you look at it. There over under for rushing.
Uh in the betting markets was one four and a half.
Hurts had what sixty one at halftime? I think only
another nine yards for the rest of the game. Meanwhile,

(26:44):
we saw Kansas City mixing things up a hundred fifty
eight yards total rushing, including the six for forty four
on the Patrick Mahomes scrambled And now all the debates
of how hurt he was and whatever else, I don't care. Uh,
they didn't stop him, they didn't at him. Uh. He
ran for yardage uh and kept moving. But you go

(27:05):
go through the process. Second half defense couldn't get a
stop all of the stuff. We kind of raised our
eyebrows of maybe thinking it could happen because there's always
been questions for the Eagles all year. We did the
podcast every week Dan of how good are the Eagles
really based on the level of competition, the division and
whatever else. But you get results, you blow teams out,

(27:29):
you get a couple of breaks, and here you are
in the Super Bowl. And while you stipulate that a
healthy Mahomes is a step up in class, it's still
the all right, how's the chess game and chess match
play out? But Brandon Ayouk and others like, yeah, you
can get to secondary. And then we watched them run
to red zone plays to either side of the field
that the Eagles looked like they had no idea how

(27:51):
to defend anything. And that was Barrick b Enemy stole
that back from a game against the Jacksonville early in
the season because they put a man in motion and
watched how they switched up coverages and opening up huge
spaces for the guys to essentially walk into the end zone.
So I think you or I, and even with me
with two bad shoulders, might have been able to lob

(28:11):
the ball out there touchdowns. That's how badly the defense
that was so heralded and vaunted, being compared to the Ravens,
to the Bears and all of those historic defenses, they
absolutely got boat raced by b enemy Read and Mahomes
and company in the second half. This is where I
also love doing a fantasy football podcast because we all

(28:33):
know on how much of a Swiss Army knife Jerick
McKinnon was for that team in the second half of
the season. I mean, heck, fantasy wise, you're like, crap,
I gotta go against McKinnon because he was he was having,
you know, such a great stretch. Yeah, and then you know,
in a game like this, you know, you're here, here
comes Pacheco, who, by the way, it's just been solid,

(28:56):
you know, solid, solid, solid. You know, isn't gonna give
you a hundred and twenty yards, but you're not gonna
get forty from him. You're getting seventy two, you know,
a hundred somewhere in that range. He's gonna hit people,
he's gonna get excited, and they couldn't, you know, they
couldn't stop him in the situations that they needed. As
as you mentioned, it's you know, almost broke one at

(29:17):
the you know, near the end of the game. And
that's the thing that is to me, what was just
you know, it's it's so unique and so special about
the chiefs is of how that game played out. And
I didn't even I didn't even think my homes should
have won m v P. I you mentioned Nick Bolton,
maybe you should have had the you know, second touchdown earlier.

(29:39):
I know, you can't give it to a defensive player
when you give up thirty five points. Yes, he was
everywhere when he finished with nine tackles and touchdown, you know,
and yeah, had a second, but that's just me sure
and if he does, he probably is the m v P.
But you know, but like you like people like man

(29:59):
mv he Patrick Mahomes. The two biggest plays Mahomes made,
I felt were his runs the run. The run at
the beginning of the second half when he didn't know
how his ankle was gonna be that got him down
to the five to allow them to get you know,
within three. And then the run on the final drive

(30:21):
where I don't know how slow the Eagles defensive linemen
are that they could not catch him from behind, but
it was just like they couldn't catch him from behind,
nobody was there to recognize him and now you got
like a chunk of thirty yards. But those were the
two biggest place by Mahomes. And if that one in
the m v P, you know, more power to him.
But I was just shocked because of what you said.
Those two touchdown passes that they had, you or I

(30:43):
could have thrown those as well. The sky more to
ga Darius Tony Sky Morris first touchdown of the year.
We waited for him all fantasy season to become a factor,
and then he catches a touchdown fast uh in the
Super Bowl. I like that. Melvin Gordon also was really
chesty about his contribut You should. Hey, he gets a
ring just like everybody else. But it was a game

(31:04):
that that first half dominant. The Hurts fumble is one
that Jason Smith and I talked about on our show
a bunch where you're just looking around going all right,
Bolton's gonna hit him, and he just goes and doesn't
secure it. And as a guy who watched Justin Fields
do marvelous things all year because because that's the thing, right,
everybody comes out going now Jalen Hurts, look at how

(31:25):
he proved that. And he made a bunch of huge
throws right all over the field. He was making plays,
making plays with his leg like I'm gonna remember him
for the fumble, just like Justin Fields with all of
his big plays, heroics, whatever. And then he throws the
ball straight into the waiting arms and face mask of
Jeff Acuda who walks in ten yards for a touchdown
to give a game away to the Lions. Like both

(31:48):
things can be true. You see the highs and I
was like, all right, that's seven points. Now they went
and got it right back on a long protracted drive again.
But you know, there's just those moments that are in
dellibly etched into your memory of how these games play out.
And for me, it's far more than just the holding back.
Like everybody else, you are a glass half empty guy.

(32:10):
I think his performance overshadows. So I was worse than
the butt fumble Dan, like like this isn't like it
can't be Cam Newton not diving on the football, you know,
like I don't know, like he made so many plays
after and they went right back up. Yeah, yes, but
it does get because look at the first half, right,

(32:31):
they did give up the seven points there. Now that
would have been a fourth down play. But I'm curious
how whether they went for it as Sirianni likes to do,
and at midfield, like you started playing all the chess
in your head of how things would have developed. Yeah,
and I'll say I'll say one more thing to that.
I wondered if Hurts after that play was then going
to try to do too much and he didn't. I

(32:54):
think that design run on first down was brilliant, you know,
and so so I, you know, I give him credit
it for that. I I don't know if it completely
ends the narrative of you know that the surrounds Jalen Hurts,
but there were some throws in that game that you know,
sometimes white guys have narratives they don't watch guys actually
play and to make those throws in that in that situation,

(33:18):
I think you're gonna have to find something else to to,
you know, to to pick on Jalen Hurts. Maybe, you know,
maybe I don't know, Maybe there's the Super Bowl hangover
next year and some of the stuff pops up. But
at least for this offseason, I think that the the critics,
even in a losing effort um should probably be silenced
if they want to criticize Hurts well, and that's he's
making those throws while we had questions of where his

(33:40):
shoulder was, yes, yeah, right, forget about healthy or whatever,
and down the stretch, I what's the arm strength whatever
he bawled out like that was a hell of an effort.
I take nothing, take nothing from it. I tried to
go for the hot take nonsense. You did not bite. Uh,
So I won't just leave it there. But I was
surprised I didn't call his number. In the run game.

(34:02):
Sanders was very quiet. Uh, those that had gained well
maybe as at one m v P option when he
fell short. You are threw some gain well love on
the on Monsey super Bowl videos and that. Uh and
after that first touchdown that ended up being erased, were
you were you peacocking in those five seconds? I got excited. Yeah,

(34:26):
I I got excited. I thought, you know what, maybe,
uh maybe this is gonna make me look real good.
I that was definitely just trying to throw a dart
at something. Yes, yes, I know it was. And you
could tell that your delivery that I was it made
not has been as serious. But that's the beauty of
it though, right is it was? All right? We stipulate

(34:47):
that these three guys are the most likely candidates. Right
here are the quarterbacks, and there's Travis Kelsey. So what
were you doing? You're trying to find some value elsewhere? Hell,
we talked about Darius, Tony and Sky More on Friday
Show from Vegas. Smith and I just gotta throw it up,
all right, someone else? Anybody else? Who could be Eddie

(35:08):
Kennison old Chief, Yeah, l s u Let's that's good,
start pulling random chief receiving. How about Dwayne Bow? Yes,
Dwayne Bow? Sure, Stefan Page, you could have those as well.
Since we're since we've had an Andy Heck reference, why
not go all old a f C West if we can?

(35:30):
All right, so let's put a bow on this Super
Bowl fifty seven chiefs obviously wintive. How did you consume
the game? Uh? Mike Carmen, our executive producer Ryan ber
Singer is here as well. Harmon, what did you do
on Super Bowl Sunday? Well, I mean we we finished right.
You were in Arizona. I was in Vegas for two days,
got back home immediately, was on a soccer pitch. Great

(35:52):
gotten a note at the end of the trip, which
evidently I was supposed to have gotten before. Our our
buddy from s I formerly NFL Network, Michael Fabriano, having
a couple of folks over. We've done that before. So
I ended up meeting up with Smith and a few
folks there, and it devolved into a lot of old
nineties top ten trivia and jersey numbers, and once the

(36:15):
game ended, a bunch of YouTube of old football games.
The folks, the rest of the folks in attendance, based
on Elliott Harrison, Fabiano, myself and Smith barking out names,
numbers and uh statistical pieces probably scared a lot of people. Um,
they looked a little nervous and started to leave pretty fast.

(36:38):
But it was fun to be there, to chop it
up and you know, put the phone away and just
kind of hang out. So a rarity kind of like
in Vegas. I slept far more than I did anything else.
So how how was Vegas? Because you guys were there
Thursday and Friday night leading up to the to the
game obviously on Sunday. But no, it was fun. The studio,
their Blue Wire Studios, Win Resort Casino, I mean, our

(37:01):
hosts so much fun. Uh, such a cool space, the
audio visual element and like you know, you're in the
fish bowl, so folks are looking at you and tapping
the glass and being crazy. Families walking by coming to
from dinner, and then one of the restaurant across the way,
I guess gets into a little like club kind of fields.

(37:22):
So Friday, as more and more people were hitting town,
it started becoming more active. So we'd have these large
groups of of men and women passing by, and at
one point, well, because the audio from our show is
being pumped into the hallway a bit, plus the music
whatever they're playing over the loudspeakers. Uh, you had the
mix of a bunch of women and Jason kind of

(37:43):
mocked my being an ambassador and brand ambassador for the show,
waving and and you know, throwing the high fives up
and nodding as folks are going by. And these girls
heard that and a couple of them decided they were
gonna start working. Are watching it, Yeah, and he's watching it.
So now he's dumbfounded. He can't speak, so I have

(38:08):
to pick it up and carry us through. But like
he's just the eyes get wide and confusion on his face,
like it's okay, no he's taking anything off there, dresses.
It was at twerk thirty, that's what time it was.
It was. It was pretty active that we had someone

(38:28):
else go by the window that did the old Hey,
I'm going down the elevator I'm coming up an escalator,
you know kind of thing. I'm not quite sure how
drunk she was, but it entertained me watching outside the window.
I add that some great food, like I said, some rest,
a beautiful view from my room of the golf course
behind there, So I mean all sorts of greatness. It

(38:49):
was really cool. My my wife joked before I left
for Phoenix, are you are you worried you know, about
me going to any you know and gentlemen establishments. I go,
because you know, super Bowl week is known for this,
and she basically laughed in my face. She goes, yeah,

(39:09):
she goes, I know you and I just know. I go,
I know how awkward you would feel walking into a
strip show. And now it's not like I haven't ever
been to one. I have. I just haven't been to
one in twenty years. So like that that, She's like,
I know how awkward you are. So she had no

(39:30):
qualms whatsoever. So so I don't know if Smith has
the awkwardness that that I would have. I don't think
I would be. I would be, uh, you know, like
what the heck is going on here? But my wife
did laugh in my face about the prospect of me ever,
going to a to a strip joint super Bowl week,
I would say awkwardness. Uh, I'd almost paid to take him.

(39:58):
I'll tell you what. There's some people that I would
pay to not want to see, Like I don't want
to see something, you know, I don't want to see
certain guys in action, like there was there is no way,
but that would maybe be one that I would that
I would be interested in seeing. Yeah, I think there's
just the sociological experiment of it all. If you got
that freaked out by a couple of girls starting to

(40:20):
dance in the hallway, yeah, the hell's the rest of it?
And I look like, oh my buddy got his gum
stuck between when you know, like when a dancer was,
you know, doing a thing on stage whatever. He's chewing gum.
True story, Okay, he's chewing gum and somehow it gets

(40:45):
taken out um. Yeah, I don't know how. I don't
know how. So he lost like two dollars and he
lost his gum some here uh oh good good times again. Yeah,
we'll keep his will, keep his name out of it.

(41:06):
At first, I was your super Bowl party. Let's transition
to the play more exciting than names, numbers, dates of
NFL players everybody's forgotten. Um. Well, now it was a
good time. I had my girlfriend and I had some
people over. This was the first time actually, uh we
we just moved in together a couple of months ago

(41:27):
as our first time entertaining people. So this was a
you know, a bit of a Super Bowl slash housewarming
gathering and had had a good group over and we
had a good time. I went to a wedding on
Friday night, which you know in in like kind of
near downtown mid Wilshire district on a Friday night, is

(41:47):
on Super Bowl weekend. Was it is just kind of
like crazy to do, but it was fun. It was
a good time. Uh. And and given that I was
working here early throughout the weekend, I've never had such
bad allergies hit me. You might be able to hear
it in my voice, like I I. My sinuses have
just been under attack for the last couple of days.
And because I've not been resting and quite frankly have

(42:09):
been celebrating uh multiple events. Uh, my body has simply
not recovered very well. So it's been a slow day
for me mentally and physically that I've been uh yeah,
it's there. Um so, but the it should it should

(42:33):
be clear. I don't think I'm sick, it's just the
it's it's full on allergies and it's just been brutal.
But um, as far as the game and the party went,
it was a great time. What was the what was
the main item? Do you guys order pizza? What you do?
I did pick up some pizza. Yeah, we had we

(42:54):
had a lot of uh some different chips and dip.
We had a little Sharkuti board and a couple of
people brought some some more chips and dips. So it
was it was all the classics. We hit the classics.
It was a good time. I I knew a Charcouderie
board would be at versus super Bowl a little bit bougie.
Well he's getting classed up here now that he's moved

(43:16):
in with the girlfriend. Uh quickly burst thoughts on the
game since we uh, you know, we're before we wrap
up here with Dan's I thought, overall, it was a
really fun game. I thought that it was a it
was a good game through and through and it was
like I think Dan put it best that it was
just kind of a deflating ending. Unfortunately. But uh, throughout
the game, I thought it was it was solid, it

(43:38):
was entertaining, there was pretty consistent action throughout. I feel
like we've had a lot of Super Bowls over the
past few years that would hit lulls at different points,
and I didn't feel like this one ever hit any
sort of low. And uh, because of course we do
talk fantasy football. I did dabble in just a tiny
bit of daily fantasy just to make it a little um,

(44:02):
you know, it was fine. I did well. But I
think the key if you want to actually try to
ever win in daily fantasy is you don't do playoff
games because there's fewer games to pick from. UM. I
think with especially with the Super Bowl, you're just deciding
on one game and how how it works for you know,
for just one game like this is is you pick
your m v P and that person gets one and

(44:24):
a half times the amount of points, and then you
have four other roster spots, um, and I in two
of them. I I picked Jalen Hurts as the m
v P and it did and I won, you know,
a dollar ten. So it's it's kind of like that
because uh, it's hard to not do that you know,

(44:45):
I I and the third one I did. I put
Kelsey as the m v P, just to try to
mix it up, and of course, like with the rest
of the lineup, I'm thinking, you know, I still put
my homes in it because I'm thinking most people are
still going to do that. And then I just hope
that one or two of my dart throws at the
end of the lineup hit. So I've got like Justin
Watson in the lineups and stuff like that, so hoping

(45:06):
that those sort of things work. Um yeah, So I
I did, Okay, like it hurts, you know, because of
the multiplier finished with like over sixty points, which is incredible,
but um yeah. I mean also like at least a
third of the rosters probably had Hurts as their m
v P, so it really didn't matter. You're looking at

(45:26):
the Daily Fantasy, I'm trying to I don't know who's
the separator, Like, I mean, is it is It? Is
it Goddart? Is it Sky? More? Like I mean, because
if you're taking a running back, um McKinnon falls off

(45:49):
and you would Pacheco would be the guy. None of
the Eagles running backs did anything. I'm just you know,
like when you're when you're when you're figuring that out,
like what is the combination that's truly like in a
in a single game scenario, it's it's just lottery numbers
and you have to get them, all right, And I'm
just wondering on which one it was. And so the

(46:10):
m v P is like your powerball of Jalen Hurts,
but you also have to make sure Gosh, I don't know,
I would think it would be God or maybe I'm
just talking gibberish. Is it Cadarius Tony? And is one
reception for five yards? And yeah, it could be right
because everybody else has DeVante Smith, A J. Brown and
probably a bunch of God mixed there in. So yeah,

(46:31):
the ones that I'm looking at. In in one of
the contests, the top scoring lineup head Hurts as the
m v P and then Skymore Pacheco, A J. Brown,
Travis Kelsey. Um. Yeah, so yeah, And again it's not
like that was there were multiple people that had that
line up. So it's it's hard for especially with one game.
It's it's because any you had to have Hurts as

(46:54):
the m v P, and it's like a ton of
people were going to do that, so then it's it's
just getting the right mix of and even then it's
not a super unique lineup, uh that that you end
up with. So um yeah, I think if I want
to dabble in Fan Daily Fantasy again, I'll do it
next year during the regular season. I did it for
a couple of rounds of the postseason just to make
it interesting, but I found I was just not that

(47:17):
invested in it because the odds of winning were so low. Sure. Um,
I'll say this about the Super Bowl, Uh, my Super
Bowl Sunday, it's always great. You know, Mike, you went
last year to the game in l A. You know,
you know you've been to them before. I've been to
a bunch that. It had been a couple of years

(47:38):
for me, you know, ever since COVID happened. So the
last one I was at was when Chiefs to be
the Niners in in Miami, but you know, had gone
to fourteen or fifteen prior to that. It's always just
unique being there. Um And and the thing that I
was just take away or I understand like when I
when I see the fans, they're like sometimes when we

(48:00):
were in media, I can be very jaded towards the experience.
But I do always try to just look at the
fan that is there and realize like what that game
means to them, like in in in seeing their team
playing a super Bowl like it is, you know, and
and just you know, just to see that it's it's

(48:23):
always to me, you know, it's always really neat just
to you know, see the experience, to see that I
stood behind at one point, uh, you know, went out
and was gonna go watch you know, Rihanna's you know
performance and going to the bathroom getting some food. And
I come back and I see this this these four

(48:44):
guys Eagles fans, all wearing jerseys. These were the jerseys Okay,
Eric Allen, okay, uh, Brian Dawkins, Harold Carmichael, and Brian
Westbrook and unlike like that's generations, yeah, exactly. And it's

(49:08):
father's son, father's son. You know, like you realize, like
you know, like in situations like that of like you know,
like how it is probably you know, those guys obviously
been lifelong Eagles fans. Dad was an Eagles fan. Maybe
they're from Philly, maybe they're not, whatever the case is,
but like you see those those things and I always
think that that is you know, stuff like that is

(49:28):
is is really really cool, and so it was. We
had a good week at Fox Sports Radio and you
know in Phoenix, uh, you know, hanging out at Radio Row.
I checked out the waste Management open on Saturday, guys,
and it was, yeah, it is for a for a
golf fan and anybody that just wants to have a
fun time, just go for one day, Go go for
the Saturday. It's probably the best to make sure you

(49:48):
get tickets to go to the sixteenth hole. I spent
a couple of hours um on in in that atmosphere
and it was everything it lived up to be. Golf
is secondary for most of the day for most of
the people there because they're just there to party. That's
what it is. They're just there to have a good time.
Basically nightclubs line. Not only is the sixteenth toll of

(50:09):
the stadium, the seventeenth toll is these enormous it's basically
just an outdoor nightclub. Guys that are like on on
both sides of the fairway, and then there's this huge
other section that's just party central that isn't even you know,
the enormous you know, part of the enormous uh you
know constructions around the eighteenth Green that are also just clubs.

(50:31):
It is an absolute party. It's the place to be.
It is a scene, and it just it blew my
socks off on how that tournament is just evolved and
how they've embraced who they are and what they are,
just selling ticket after ticket, you know, hundreds of thousands
going over you know, going there over the week. But

(50:51):
it was it was like a party with a golf
tournament going on in between. That's what it's probably getting
more trouble. This is true. The other thing that I
take from it as you you know, kind of gloss
through the number of Super Bowls you've been. I paid
for both of mine, so I went as a fan.
So I just screamed like an idiot for four hours

(51:13):
at each of them. Because I'm still mad at Cincinnati
Bengals fans last year who were like, oh, we'll be back,
Like that's not the way this works. I felt that,
you know who I felt, you know, I felt really
bad for and this is as a Seahawks fan. I
felt bad for the Bronco fan that spent thousands of

(51:34):
dollars on the ticket, and especially in New York that year,
you know where it's not cheap like but that it's
you know, a break in Phoenix now or anywhere else.
But the point being of like, I ain't gotta figure
out New York. Those tickets were on par the outside
of Dallas, the most expensive of the last and then

(51:55):
to have to watch that game in the first snap
the it wasn't over, but I'm sure they felt like it,
you know, like like, wait, this is how we're gonna start. Um.
Like I felt for them because at halftime it was
over and then Percy Harvard ran the kickback and then
it definitely was over. Over for Denver. I felt bad
for the Denver fans uh that year, even as a

(52:16):
Seahawk fan, because I thought, man, you you spend thousands
upon thousands of dollars to come to this game and
that's the performance you get, But that's the risk you take.
Super Bowl that man, Okay, odds are out for next year.
All right, let's let's end the pod like this burst
don't go anywhere you You if if you were to

(52:39):
make a Super Bowl prediction four next season and give
you the top Chiefs five to one Eagles seven to one,
Bills and Niners eight to one, Bengals nine to one,
Cowboys sixteen to one, then the Chargers twenty two to one. Um,
what do you like? Super Bowl? Super Bowl fifty eight,

(53:00):
Let's let's do this one again. Let's let's let's just
let's just right. And I think I think right now
I would bet on diving right back into a rematch,
as difficult as that is. Eagles. I'm curious about the
offensive line, right Johnson and Kelsey physically where they at?
Do they both decided to walk away? Does this leave

(53:20):
a bad taste in their mouth and want to stay?
They've got more draft picks, they don't have to pay
a lot of the court just just yet, so they're
looking good in the Chiefs. You know, Patrick Mahomes now
holds the record what was at seventeen percent of the
salary cap. Whatever. They'll find guys to work with right
as we record this. Whether b enemy stays or leaves.

(53:41):
They've got a bunch of offensive assistance that are there.
Forty nine ers as one of the top options. Who's
their quarterback? No idea the Bills? Do I trust them?
I don't know that I do. Unless Brian Table goes back,
which doesn't look like that's gonna happen. By the way,
I also realized this, I probably do this, if probably
done it, you know, eighty times this year when I'm

(54:03):
wrapping up something and bring up something that is completely
out of left field and not and not about what
we talked about pre show, I always go to Burst first,
like I put him completely. So I am very very sorry.
As someone who's experienced that in their broadcasting career, I
do know on what a headache that can be, So

(54:25):
my sincere apologies. I'm just giving it. Fine. Hey, Burst,
does that? Did I filibuster enough for you to come
up with an answer? I was gonna I've got I've
got one. I've got one as well. Help I would
I would go Niners Chargers? Yes? Did the Chargers change
out their training staff's? I mean every year it's the

(54:49):
same thing, you know, if they were healthy, It's like,
all right, at some point you have to change what
is it working right? And you do it with players,
you do it with coaches, in front office guys. You
can't keep guys on the field something wrong in your
training room. Did you imagine Niners Chargers in Las Vegas?
That would be that would be something. First you have
not driving, I can tell you that. Um, I'll give

(55:12):
the Bills another chance here out of the a f C.
And let's let's see it. The Cowboys, Ay, alright, thirty
it would be thirty years since they last met in
the Super Bowl. All right, nicely, I did that. That's

(55:34):
that's gutsy, that's right. I'm not sure. Probably the the
the Seahawks, by the way of these same odds as
the Titans, and a team that I if they can
get their quarterback situation right, um, I think could be
a surprise. I said it on the Bison sixty on
Monday in Fargo, North Dakota. So look out for the Panthers.

(55:57):
You know, Frank Wright can get his hands out of
quarterback that defense and they're the players. That could be
a long shot maybe, Uh, California is not gonna have
sports gambling, so I won't be able to put any
bets down here, But if they go anywhere else, maybe
that uh, that would be the spot. Texans the longest
shot one one Cardinals on one Dan. I might drive

(56:18):
back to Vegas just to put money down for that,
because it also allows me to get this final joke
in Well right to isn't hamstrung by Ballard choosing his quarterback? Wait,
what chrysal or doesn't work in Carolina? He might have
built the rest of the one crappy quarterback after the Yeah, no,

(56:42):
you're absolutely right. I was thinking there was a hamstring joke.
So that's why I was. I was thinking that's what
I was like, trying to figure out the hamstring joke.
But uh, oh man, hey, ye man, the Eagles are
gonna have to figure out what they're gonna do. They maybe,
you know, losing both corps, Well, I think a lot
of people want the defensive coordinator run out of town

(57:05):
on a on a rail. After that, my first question
to Jonathan Gannon if I'm Michael Bidwell and the Cardinals
is like, why did you give up thirty eight points
in the stadium? You know that would be but it was, well,
it wasn't thirty eight. It was thirty one, and then
seven of those are on a punt return. But uh,
talk about the field. Defensive front couldn't get going because

(57:25):
crappy field. And then you have a glittery suit like
Richard Gear did in Chicago when he sings the song
Razzle dazzle, because then you forget what the question was
that you asked. Does anybody actually want the Cardinals job?
That's the other question as we sit here on a
Monday night, do they do they know what they want
and does anybody want them? Yeah? I don't think so.

(57:48):
I I we you know, Mike, like you did on
Radio row um last year. Um, I you know, kind
of did similar stuff this year. And so was, you know,
talking to a bunch of different players and James Conner
came by and uh, I asked, I said, Kyler's Hopkins

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probably gone. J J. Watts retired. Dude, you give me
the only one left. He's like, yeah, you know, yeah,
I'm gonna face a lot of hit behind the line
of scrimmage. He's got his own show on ABC though,
the Connors just kidding, just kidding, alright, So on that
lay mass joke looks like it Alright. Our final episode

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is not this one of the season. It will come
next week in our draft of the three Fantasy football campaign.
So for Ryan Bursoner and my comment, I'm Dan Buyer,
that's when we will talk to you again right here.
And I wonder what