August 23, 2023 • 37 mins
Arnie Spanier and Chris Plank, in for Jason and Mike, identify a handful of teams that are Super Bowl or bust this season. The guys discuss expectations for the Washington Commanders this year and react to the end of the Baltimore Ravens' historic preseason streak. Chris breaks down why he's not buying Pete Carroll explanation of the most infamous moment of his Seahawks career. Plus, the guys react to news regarding Reggie Bush in his continued attempts to restore his college legacy.
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Tire buying should be busy night tonight. As you just
heard from Brian Finley, a lot of Major League Baseball
going on. Dodgers blew it. They lost to the Guardian
somehow eight to three. We are seeing something pretty incredible
that's going on with Seattle right now. I was not
even aware of this, ARNI. Yeah, well, not that Seattle
has a baseball team. I was very much aware of that.
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But the Seattle Mariners have multiple eight game winning streaks
within a season. Yes, for the first time since two
thousand and one. They won one hundred and sixteen games
that year, which was tied for the most in Major
League Baseball history.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But didn't win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh no, it didn't even make the World Series. And
how about this.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The Yankees, even though they bring up their top two prospects,
have now lost nine straight games for the first time
since Arnie had a mullet in a pony tail September
of nineteen eighty two. Every franchise besides the Yankees had
at least one nine game losing streak during that stretch
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entering tonight, and the Yankees hadn't.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So what is going on?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, I've got I gave you is that the
METSA Yankees have never finished in the last place in
the same year, and they're pretty close to doing that. Now.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's just pretty. That's not pretty. So there's the baseball
side of things. A few games currently in progress. We'll
be keeping tabs on them as the night progresses.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You know, just to bring up baseball real quick. I
hate to grab the steering wheel from you.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, you don't, You're You're fine with it. It's okay.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'm just wondering, you know, By the.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Way, the definite under was hitting that.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It took two minutes and forty seconds before are you
were talking?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Mane, grab your wheel for a second. Just drive, just
drive the whole It's it's like I, you know, messing
with the radio and I changed from your favorite song
or something like that. You heard where the White Sox
possibly could go to the Nashville And not that I
want to talk about that because nobody really cares, but
I was thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Why are you bringing it up?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm just wondering, how do you think attendants would go
upcause the Dodgers just crushing the attendance. What would happen
if the Angels moved out of Los Angeles or if
the White Sox did move. Does that mean that attendance
for the Cup games were like double or something like that.
I mean, think about how many people more people would
go to a Dodger game. I guess if the Angels
weren't around. I'm just wondering what happens when the White
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Sox if they do leave, what that does for the Cubs?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, so I have a question.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
All I hear and having spent I don't want to
say a lot of time but quite a bit of
time in my favorite city, Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I don't really hear a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That would be going to Dodgers games if they didn't
go to Angels games, because all I hear is that
the Angels don't play in Los Angeles, so.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Right, I know, but maybe if you want to see baseball,
you know, some people just want to see teams that
coming from, you know, in other states on their enough.
I don't know. Dodgers crush it. There's nobody even close
to them when it comes to attendance. I'm wondering if
they didn't have any competition. If I consider the Angels competition, I.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Don't think that's competition.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I don't know what it would do for Cubs attendance
or Dodgers attendants if either one of those teams ever left.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Is there talk of the Angels leaving?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
No, there was talk to the White Sox, is why
I was thinking about it. I don't know if that's
you know what, if I'm in the White Sox, i'd
consider it, depending on the deal I would get. Nashville
is the new hot city, you know, So that's why
you grabbed the wheel? Yeah I did. I'm sorry take
it back. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All right, Well, let's get to some football here, shall we.
I'm sorry, I got a lot of football stuff here.
I have a question. But before we get the question,
let me let me pay off a whole show tease.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Today Todd Bowles named Baker Mayfield the starting quarterback for
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he explained the why behind it.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
We go through many camp, training camp and OTAs and
we love everything Kyle is done, and he's gotten leaps
and bounds better he has in the spring, and he's
continuing to get better and we're excited about him. Oh,
Baker's our guy right now, experience wise and understanding the
playbook just a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, and he kind of backed that up. He understands
things you.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Can throw it. He's very smart. He understands football very well.
He can read defenses. He's very good for the scheme
we're using, as is Kyle. I'm not denying that either.
But Baker is a guy we're going with right now,
and we're comfortable with that.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Boy. They really couched a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It was the only real quarterback battle I think between
two dudes. Tennessee has a question just I think you
and Jason did a show together a couple of weeks ago,
and I thought Jason Martin put, well, oh, Jason.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Martin, I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah, what I thought you've been
Jason Smith. Jason Martin, No, no, Jason Martin.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You guys did a show together a couple of weeks
ago on a Saturday night, and you had brought up
if there's a battle in Tennessee, and I thought Jason
brought up a good point, and it was, you know,
Ryan Tannehill is their starter, but that doesn't mean he's
going to be their start of the whole season.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, maybe four weeks, I think, is what he said.
I remember him saying that.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And you look at this situation right here.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Baker is the starter, but with the way that Todd
Bowles talked, and that's an offensive minded coach, so you know,
he's not usually a guy that's going to care too
much about a quarterback's feelers. They were really careful to
couch about everything with Kyle Trask, so and let's be fair,
as much as I'm a complete and unabashed Baker Homer,
and I feel like he's gonna be fine. Thanks getting
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in well for him in Carolina, even though he won
the job there, but things went a little better for
him with the Rams. So I'm intrigued by Tampa. They
still have some dudes. I don't I don't think they're
necessarily a super Bowl team or a NFC championship team,
but that division is wide open, and I'm just I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
What a group of quarterbacks in that division? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
What a group of quarterbacks in that division? Baker Mayfield
is starting for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You have the
number one pick in the draft, and everyone's freaking out
about Bryce Young, Desmond Ritter, a second year guy, would
Ridder go fourth round the year before, and then Derek Carr,
whom the Raiders, according to Peter King, lost confidence in.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
That is like the land of misfit toys.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
That this is the last go round for Baker Mayfield.
I've read that story about him, Ousimi. What was it
like twelve million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
To what his father's Yeah, there's like a bunch of
family members that are mentioned in this lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
That is that is just so sad. I feel bad
for him. Yeah, you know, I like Baker. Also, he's
out lived up to expectations. I'm not gonna say it's
all his fault, though, I mean some of those situations
were not the best situations. Obviously, in Cleveland that was
a big debacle, and he was still able to go
and make the playoffs with him, so I look at
that as a plus situation. I'm kind of curious to
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what he's gonna do with Tampa if he's the quarterback
half the quarterback. I think he is. Maybe maybe he
continues his career and he has a pretty good year
for them, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I like Baker because he's he's got a great personality.
For some reason, he's a lightning rod for criticism. I mean,
that's fine, but I think that's gonna be a fun
team to follow this year. Which gets me to a
very important question here, Arnie. I'm trying to put together
a list of teams that I consider to be super
Bowl or bust.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Okay, now I have.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Six that are currently on this list, and I don't
really have a defining quality except to say these are
teams that if they don't play in the super Bowl
or they don't make the super Bowl, it is a
disappointing season.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So here's my and it's wild because there's a part
of me I didn't put the Patriots in this, but
you know they're fans, you know, but you know their
fans feel that way.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It's like, we just went to super Bowl. We should
be fine for.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Your fans are just as delusional, but they're not going
to the super Bowl either.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well, you have picked the Dolphins to go to the
super Bowl every the year on the show, So I
don't think you should call any fan base delusional.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But that's just me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So I've got six that I came up with right now,
and I and I only had two from the NFC.
I had San Francisco and I had Philadelphia, Okay, because
I do think if Dallas, you know, makes the playoffs
and wins a playoff game or potentially gets the NFC
Championship game, right, I feel like that's high five. We
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did incredible things. Kansas City. To me, Kansas City is
always going to be super Bowl or bus. But with
that said, I don't necessarily think that it's a disappointment
if they don't win it because they won it so much.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Right, So yeah, that's a case that one, right, So I.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Was a little bit torn on that.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Just after my year. This is like if if they
don't win it, it's not a successful year.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
That's what I said.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Super Bowl or bus right, Buffalo Bills are built for it.
And then I was torn because the New York Jets
are definitely on that list, or at least they've been
crammed down our throat to the point that they should
be on that list. And I had two teams that
I was debating with myself over I put Baltimore on
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that list.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Gotta put Baltimore on that. I would have put that.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Okay, well then that was my six.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I was thinking about Baltimore and Miami is Miami
with the way you talk, they are, but it's Miami
truly in like a super Bowl or bust mode because
I don't think they are.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Of course they are. I mean right now, I think
they're right up there to win that division. I think
most people have them making the playoffs. And if you
look at how many teams are actually favored to go
to the Super Bowl out of the AFC, you'll have
the Chiefs and the Bills and the Bengals. Can you
believe that the Jets are favored over the Dolphins?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
The Chargers are favored over the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's a joke. I may have.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Chins are favored over the Dolphins. The Ravens are favored
over there.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
No, it's either are all the same price there at
least all I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think I've got a right in front of me too.
I've got the Vegas Insider dot com. Is that what
you're looking at?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. So I think that's
one of the best bargains in sports is taking the Dolphins.
I think it was at twenty one to one. I
think they have a better chance of going then let's
say the Ravens or the Jets. That's for sure. The
Jets are getting a lot of New York or crazy
money with the whole Aaron Rodgers situation. That's the reason
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they're getting it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The best number for the Dolphins is plus twenty five hundred,
which is exactly the same as the Chargers the Ravens.
The Raven's best number are twenty one hundred. Sorry, it's
more consistent at twenty five hundred, which is the same
number as the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you have the Ravens, Jets in just the AFC
Bengals Bills and Chiefs that all are at better numbers
than Miami is right now. So but you're saying you're
gonna be disappointed, and you're gonna say it's a bust
of a year. Fire everyone, and we suck. If they
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don't go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Gotta go to the super Bowl. This is the zero.
They're built for it. They got all the weapons they
got to keep too a healthy. Especially if they gohead
and trade for a running back like Jonathan Taylor, then
you know they're all in. And then it's all inter
I mean, my goodness. If they go ahead and give
up a first round pick for Jonathan Taylor, you know
they're not messing around and they think they could win
the Super I just don't.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Know what they can trade for him. I don't know
what you have.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I'll just give more bogus picks. I don't care bogus picks.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And then when the draft comes around, you're gonna complain
that you're not able to draft anyone. Uh would you
add anyone to that list? Would you add I don't
know that. Would you add the Chargers to that?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
If I'm gonna do boom or bust, it's gonna be
Bills fans. They think they can win it. Obviously they should.
It's the Dolphin fans also, even though the Jet fans
think they're gonna win it, that's delusional. So I would
stop too.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Between you, it's more delusional what you're saying about the.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No no believe. That's why I'm hired. I'm the football
expert here. I think Baltimore is realistic they could go,
and so Cincinnati. So there's four right there out of
those two divisions. Out of the AFC South. None of
those teams should expect to go because they're all garbage,
so you can forget about that. And the only team
out of the AFC West is is Kansas City. So
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you got five teams out of the AFC. But I
give more teams out of the NFC credit than you do.
I think you got to get philledelph you in Dallas.
Any team that wins twelve games the last couple of years,
you got to give him a little bit more credit.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Look, I'm not saying it's going to be a bust
if the Giants don't win it. Maybe expecting you a
little bit more. Minnesota won thirteen games last year. You
gotta start giving them a chance to go boom or bust,
especially after what they did last year. And the same
goes with San Francisco. So I'd probably take four teams
out of the NFC.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
What do you mean, I'm still having a hard time
figuring out two teams, and not even Super Bowl or bust.
But if there's a team that needs to be added
to that list or taken away, like the Dolphins, hit
us up on Twitter, it's sneaking Genius one or at
Plank Show, or of course at Fox Sports Radio. I
have no idea, and it's two NFC teams. I have
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no idea how Jordan Love is gonna work out in
Green Bay. It's exciting to see what he's.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Done on the preseason.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
He looks good in the preseason, but it's not the
regular season, and it's a whole different world when you
get into the grind of a regular season.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So the preseason pro Bowler green.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Bay intrigues me. And then I don't even know where
the Rams are right now. Because Stafford healthy, we haven't
seen him in the preseason. He's one of I think
eight quarterbacks that we haven't seen in the preseason. The
Rams are back in a situation where they control they're
twenty twenty four first round draft pick, so they have
a first round pick back. Some think that they might
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be in that tank conversation, but then you look around
and I mean, they've invested a lot of money and resources,
not just offensively, but especially defensively with Aaron Donald, I
don't I can't fathom that team not being better this year.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Fantas Yeah, yeah, because they're gonna start off one and nine.
It is a It's a horrible, horrible beginning for this team.
They are not going to do maybe two in eight
if they're lucky, it's gonna be another five and twelve season.
They're lucky to get the Cardinals twice, it wasn't for them.
I don't know how many games are gonna win. It's
just gonna be a bad year. Look at the games.
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Look would they start at Seattle, which is a loss,
San Francisco loss.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know if that Seattle would be a loss.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
At Cincinnati, a loss at the coatal loss, Philip Dupho
horible Philadelphia is a loss. Thank goodness they have the
Cardinals after that. That's the only game that you could
give them. I could see them at that point, like
one in five or one in six or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I think they beat Indianapolis. I think that they beat Seattle,
and they I think theyt Arizona. They're a three and
three team heading in a week seven against Pittsburgh and.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Then they got Pittsburgh at Dallas at Green Bay forget
about it. They're in trouble. I don't know trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I think that they might have something up their sleeve,
and that's either completely imploding and tanking.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, I'm making a little bit of a run one
final stand with Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, they're gonna be looking for a quarterback once he
certainly retires, and it certainly looks sooner then later. I
don't know if Stenson Bennett's the answer there, though I am.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I can answer that he is not the answer.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Oh you said that about Jalen Hurts. I'm intrigued by
Bennett to be.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're intrigued by Bennett. Okay, well go watch him play
in that second hand.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Pro Bowler, preseason Pro Bowler.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That's who Stet's and Bennett.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, did they have a good game?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Dude? Your Pro Bowl level is really gipping right now.
I think you need to reevaluate it. I disagree with you.
I think the Rams are going to be good. I
think they're gonna be good. Cooper cupp is back, you
had Van Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, everybody can't be good in that division. San Francisco, Seattle,
the Rams.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, we know Arizona's not going to be.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yes that they're gonna be bad for the three of them.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So you so you have them. They're not gonna be good.
I don't know how good Seattle is. That was. They
were led by g Smith, Kennyn Canny catch lightning in
a bottle again. They they just lost their first round pick,
their wide receiver who got injured.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The Rams and the Packers really have me flummixed, as
you can tell.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I don't know what to make of either one of it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
All right, I've got to dive into Speaking of the Seahawks,
Pete Carroll went on Richard Sherman's podcast and explained the
decision making process behind the play.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
We'll dive into that coming up in just a bit.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (17:21):
Uh Major League Baseball Update, Arizona up six to three
on the Rangers as they add at the top of
the ninth inning and with fine old Toronto held on
to beat the Orioles in ten. Brian Finley coming up
in about ten minutes from now with updates on everything
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Speaker 4 (17:40):
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
Come. I liked what Jason B.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
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Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's Arnie I'm at Plank Show.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Jason writes, I would have just one thing instead of
Super Bowl or Bust on the NFL list, I would
say a team like the Washington Commanders are playoffs or
bust with their new owners.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Another great show, fam appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Uh yeah, yeah, new ownership, even as awkward as this
dude seems. Did you see the handshake thing last night
with Joe Buck?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah? I did. That was funny.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I can't watch him. I can't bless his heart.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's like the cringiest thing ever and something I totally
could see myself.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
That was Joe Buck's fault, though he didn't really, you know,
put it out there. He just kind of like flimsy
kind of put it out there.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He talks with his hands. He had his hands out
and he was holding it there. But the funny thing
is you could see the dude look at his hand
and it's like.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Do I do I shake his hand?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah? He didn't. Moment I thought maybe he was talking
to one hundred percent sure you wanted to Jake at
that point.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But in your mind, would would you say the Commanders
with new ownership with Sam Howe with Eric b Enemy,
knowing that there are many that think he could be
a head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
They were lost. They were eight eight one last year,
so it wasn't like they're awful. They just played in
the NFL's toughest division and it might still be the
toughest division. If the Giants, I mean they had a
perfect story of they had easy schedule. But if the
Giants are as good as they've shown, the Cowboys in
Philadelphia will be the other Washington Commanders will be in
last place again because it's such a tough division.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I have a question for you. Do you consider eight
eight and one a good record?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Depends on the team for them?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I do this team that you were bragging about going
to playoffs a couple of years ago, this team that
won super Bowls, the Washington freaking well they were Redskins,
but now Commanders, the history and tradition, You're like, yeah,
eight eight and one's fine. You just spent ten billion
dollars to buy him, and you're gonna be happy at
eight eight and one.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But it's your first year. You're gonna have to be
a little bit patient. No why, and you want to
do better than eight eight and one. But again, being
eight eight and one in the toughest division I think
is acceptable. If was the worst division, then you're talking
to different story here.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
We don't even know if it's gonna be the best division.
Would you tell me all off season last year? Oh,
the AFC West Russell Wilson, DeVante Adams, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
It sucked. It was the Chiefs again.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, they could finish the third ahead of the Giants.
I mean that's a possibility, but I still think it's
Philadelphia Dallas gonna finish one too either way.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right, But you don't believe that it's a situation for
Ron Rivera or for this team.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You're saying you're wrong, Jason B. Diamond.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's not playoffs or bus. If you're five hundred or
eight and nine or nine and eight, you're fine.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah, I would think so, I wouldn't wouldn't like hit
the thing where it's like, oh, we got to talk
about Washington and how they're gonna empty house because they
finished shight nine. I don't see that going on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Do you know what year this is for Ron Rivera?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Wow? I wanted to say four.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You're right, you're right, and he has gone to the playoffs,
but with a losing record. Right in twenty twenty they
won the division with a seven and nine record, So
they've gone seven to nine, seven and ten, eight, eight
and one.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And now this year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I like Ron Rivera, but I do think if I
bought this team and I'm Josh Harris, even though he
some of his other ownership ventures haven't necessarily gone so well.
But I think they're gonna be in it to win
at Arnie. I think this is gonna be a proven year.
They've got to make the playoffs for Ron Rivera, especially
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with the money they allegedly invested in Eric Bane Mey too.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
But you're saying, no, you're not buying it right now?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What about Sam Howe? I mean, is this guy the answer?
You're putting a lot of stock in him, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Why not? I mean, let's see, let's see if it
works out.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hey, since we're on Washington, we'll get to the Pete
Carroll stuff after the update.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
What did you make of the celebration last night? Was
it a little over the top?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, a kicker that hasn't made a game tying
or game winning field goal in the regular season in
his career is flashing an L to the Ravens sideline.
I mean, they're celebrating like they just won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Don't you make that look the celebrity like they at
least won a regular season game, maybe even a game
that clinched them a playoff spot. So I'll go as
far as saying that. But because it was made so
much about the streak, and as much as people like
you and I are talking about it, you know, everybody's
talking about it. Gamblers are talking about it, sports talks
(22:45):
talking about it, it just got nauseating. And it's not
just for this season. Years and years now, it seems
like this has been the big thing. You knew somebody
wanted to beat them and that Washington was going to
go out of their way if they had to a
little bit to come up with the victory. So I'm
okay with it. I think it's kind of funny. You know,
it's a preseason game. Anyways, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know, do you consider the twenty what would he
stop at twenty three? Twenty four? Do you consider that impressive?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah? I do. I mean, if you won twenty four
games out and pick up basketball in a row, I
think that's impressive. So the fact that it was preseason, yeah,
obviously it makes a difference. I'm not gonna tell you
it does n'im but it does show you, especially when
you're not even playing your starters the whole way either,
so you're playing your second streak and third streak slip
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times also, so that's why I find it impressive.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Okay, I will throw this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I saw I saw one of my favorite Twitter follows,
Berry on Here tweety this last night, and I think
he might be one hundred percent right. And I'm not
one of these guys that's gonna lose to you. Mind,
like you're saying, everyone's been talking about it. I felt
like last year was the first time I started hearing
about the streak. But Barry said, the Ravens twenty four
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preseason game win streak is oddly probably one of the
most unbreakable sports records of all time.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
No those sub out there, but it might be up there.
I have to agree with him on that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, who else the Raiders have now won. To
give you an idea, they've won six in a row.
They were four and oh last year, in two and
oh this year six. So in order to win, just
to give you an idea, just to get to twenty four,
that means that would be eighteen, that'd be six more years.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And yeah, of going undefeated in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Now that it's only three preseason again, enough you had
six preseason games and you could do it during three seasons.
Maybe there's a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But we're not here to try to get more preseason
game I know that, I know.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
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Speaker 3 (24:51):
O'Brian rejoins this couple of things, Arnie, Yeah, this is
starting to make the rounds. Tonight on the volume podcast
Work That's Collins Podcast crew, Richard Sherman as a podcast
and his special guest this week was Pete Carroll, and
they talked about the play. You and I were doing
(25:14):
the Super Bowl show when this happened at the goal
line and Richard Sherman asked him about it. Here was
Pete Carroll's excuse, Arnie, let me know, are not excuse explanation.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Let me know if you're buying.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You know you guys, you're so mad at me and
so pissed hurt. I wish I could feel it the
way I should feel it. But you know you got
to keep that play just happened. It wasn't like by design,
It wasn't there was no agenda. That play just happened.
You guys couldn't hear it for years. But when we
got down there, I remember we had one time out,
and so as soon as we got there, I said,
one of these players, we're going to have to throw
(25:47):
it to get all four plays, because I'm always in
make sure that we have a chance to get all
four shots. So we run the first play and I
think what happened is Bill's late. He sends in the
goal lane team and we had already sent it in eleven.
That went through the play callers, and that's what led
them to throw it on that down. It had nothing
to do with anything else. We've practiced it a million times.
It was just the way we had prepared, so I
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was rock solid on the philosophy of it. It just
was the worst play that could ever happen, you know,
and the guy makes a I'm a play of a
career for everybody's career, really, and then it turned all
of that so dark.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That's a great explanation, but it's still kind of wild
to think, Arnie, what that did to that Seattle Seahawks organization,
because at that moment, it just tore everything apart. Legion
of boom started to fall apart. They got mad at
what Russell Wilson, because as he said, there was no
agenda there. I mean, it was just it really is
(26:49):
one play. Like for instance, I still look back, even
though the Raiders went to the Super Bowl a year later,
I still say the tuck rule ripped the herd out of.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The Raiders franchise. It really truly did.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And then John Gruden stopped on it whenever they beat
him in the Super Bowl the way that they did.
You go back to when was that twenty fourteen? You
go back to that Super Bowl. Seahawks haven't been the
same since.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, you know what, Christy. Listen to his explanation when
we set out this eleven man, we're supposed to set
out this eleven man. We were gonna call this, We're
supposed to do this. It made it sound like there
was a little bit of turmoil going on. That's what
if I'm the quarterback of um Russell Wilson going what
the hell's going on here? I mean, it's like a
fire drill, you know what. Get in here. I'm calling
(27:34):
a play and I'm not gonna pass the ball because
I got a timeout. Let's hand the ball off, go
up the middle. If we don't score, we call time out,
we figure it out because everything's going crazy. I certainly
don't go back and just force the ball in the
middle like he did. So I gotta give him more
than fifty percent of the blame because he could have
always audible in that situation, will call the different players.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
So you're not buying the excuse. You're not buying.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Hey, our philosophy is we want to get four plays there,
and we knew we were gonna throw No the.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Way that was on first down, right or second first down?
How much time was left in the game.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Oh, now you're gonna make me look all this way and.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
They only had one time out, is what you're telling me, right,
that's right. Yeah, you you always go with the with
the run first and uh and see if you could
put it in otherwise then you have to know you
have to pass it in.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So you're not buying any of this, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm not. I don't buy it at all.
I'm not not for a second.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
So you think Pete Carroll just made all that up.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
No, I think he was just kind of mumbling and
just kind of I don't think he knows what the
hell he was talking, so you don't think I think
if he did the podcast, I think if he did
that same podcast next week, you'd come up with a
different explanation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I thought it was an awesome explanation, and I thought
it was great in laying it out. Now, this is
where everyone needs to know. Arnie doesn't care about formations
or coordinators or even the offensive line. The hindsight is
a perfect twenty twenty. The light the look that they
got like, hey man, we practiced this and ozach of
a play. Should they have run it? Absolutely, they should
(29:06):
have practice.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
What he made it sound like they were in the
wrong formation, something in the wrong play and everything.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, No, he was talking about the Patriots. Oh okay, yeah,
he saw that. The Patriots came out and they were
in goal line, and you know, we had our personnel
where that's a great matchup. We could throw the football
against it. And it didn't work. Boy, it really did.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You look back, I mean, Arnie, you look back over
the last now decade since that happened.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
What a wild turn. Now, and listen I say about
the Trailblazers when they lost to the Lakers in that
Game seven where the Lakers came back and Portland's never
been the same since.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Let me let me pose this.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, every fan base has that moment.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I just brought it up with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I still get ill thinking about the tuck rule and
then watching John Gruden dance on the sideline for the Buccaneers.
Seahawk fans are gonna wear that for a long time.
Franchise changing moments. What's the one that sticks with you?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Now? You brought up the Trailblazers. Yeah, which one was that.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Day when they lost to the Lakers. They had a
lead in Game seven, I think by sixteen points going
into the fourth quarter. Lakers came back, won that game,
went on the win the championship, and the Lakers were
Portland was never the same after that.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
They led by thirteen heading into the final period.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Oh thirteen, okay, so just just miserable after that.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I was trying to think of another one off the
top of my head.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
What about a good one like that? Turned out to
be a like when Pittsburgh after they had the immaculate receipt.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
No, no, no, no, stop stop. No positive vibes here,
what are you doing? We're talking negative vibes, Aarnie. We're
going to this is if you're just getting up for work.
I mean you're not, you're working overnights. Let's get the
negative vibes out so we can start this off on
the right track. But you're right, there are some amazing
positive ones too, right the Francoharris. I mean, think about
that for Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
What a watershed moment too for Brady and Belichick because
if they.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Don't pick off that pass and.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
The Seahawks win that game, right, oh boy, Rob Parker
is having a hell of a time in crushing Tom Brady,
right if they don't win that game?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
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Speaker 6 (32:29):
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third hour making sure we've got all of our loosens
tied up, so in to make sure we get it right,
say a little Brian Finley.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
What's up? By Finley?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I got some good stuff for you guys. Okay, shady,
I want to.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
Go into finer details about this former USC quarterbacks or
running back, I should say, situation with Reggie Bush, who
will reportedly submit a lawsuit on Wednesday accusing the NCAA
of defamation. Now, Arnie, I understand that you know a
lot about law, but your National Parks and Forestry degree
from the University of Arizona, I'm not sure that applies
(33:09):
or helps that much in this set.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Bush is making this move accusing the NCAA of defamation
and hopes of, of course, getting that two thousand and
five Heisman trophy reinstated. And according to a statement from
law firm mcatherne, Now you said something earlier, Arnie, that
you might have known somebody who was a part of
this law firm mcatherne.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Is that familiar. My sister law is one of the lawyers.
Oh wow.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
So they basically have released a memo saying, quote, this
lawsuit is based on the NCUBLEA maliciously attacking Bush's character
through a completely false and highly offensive statement that was
widely reported the media substantially irreparably damaged his reputation.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Close quote.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
All of that is to say, guys, the nc DOUBLE
has acknowledged that, yeah, sure, names, images and likeness that
as far as players now earning money off that that
has changed but it's still not okay to have to
pay for play deals, which is what Bush got caught up.
And essentially, guys, what I think this is gonna come
down to is the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Trust.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
They have said since the beginning that two thousand and
five season for USC was vacated by the NCAA, which
is why he doesn't get the Heisman. If they were
able to say that that season counted, then I think
Bush gets the Heisman back.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
No, you know what, I don't care if they say
the season didn't count or accounted. We know, we saw
it with our own nives. We know that it was participated,
We know that it was played on. What about teams
that maybe have a one game taken away? Are you
gonna say, well, that one game ruins the stats, and
now you take away the Heisman or the MVP. No,
we know what he did on the field. Give him
(34:49):
his give him his Heisman Trophy. He deserves it, he
earned it. We never should have taken it away. To
begin with, whatever he did wrong, you never should have
taken away the Heisman. If if you wanted to catch them,
you should have caught him in college and suspended them
for a few games. This is Bogus giving back his trophy.
What if?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
What if? Arnie?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, it had been something where it cost your team
a chance because essentially with the rules in those days, right,
really illegal what they were doing. But you're saying once
you're out of college it shouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah, once you're out of college, you know that's it.
It's I mean, you have your chance to get him.
You want to go ahead and implement a penalty, And
I'm not for one of those guys and say, Okay,
he's gone, let's punish the kids that are there right now. No, no, no,
I don't like it working like that. I don't want
to do that at all, and nor should it be
done that way.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Chris, Well, that's how it's done. That's done everywhere.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
But that's why I said it shouldn't be done that way.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So okay, then if you don't find out about it
until two years later, then how are you supposed to
handle it?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Just so get away with it? Then that's not everything.
Not every crime goes punished. Okay, Sometimes people get away
with it. Some crimes go unpunished. You just say you
got away with it. You're out of college now, and
so be it kind of like the Harbaugh situation. Had
he not got the three game suspension, he was not
going to come back next year. He was going to
(36:18):
get away with it. So, uh no, sometimes you get
away with stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
That's yeah. I think that's one of the worst takes
you've ever had.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
No, what do you mean, I thought that was a
great take.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, I mean the school that then the school, why
wouldn't you just constantly cheat because well they the guy
that did it graduated already and he's in the NFL.
The NFL is even talking about implementing something to where
you could be in trouble once you get to the league.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
For I don't say crimes, but the rules you broke
in college.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Yeah, that's crazy. Could you imagine me getting punished in
by new employee because of something I did here? That'd
be crazy, you know, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But it can happen.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It can happen because you made the mistake and it
might cost to you in the future and Fox Sports
Radio or whomever employed you and watched it happen. Yeah, Okay,
the guy might be able to get away with it,
the school's still gonna have to pay. Sorry, Brian, we
got carried away, it's Fox.
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Tire buying should be busy night tonight. As you just
heard from Brian Finley, a lot of Major League Baseball
going on. Dodgers blew it. They lost to the Guardian
somehow eight to three. We are seeing something pretty incredible
that's going on with Seattle right now. I was not
even aware of this, ARNI. Yeah, well, not that Seattle
has a baseball team. I was very much aware of that.
(01:02):
But the Seattle Mariners have multiple eight game winning streaks
within a season. Yes, for the first time since two
thousand and one. They won one hundred and sixteen games
that year, which was tied for the most in Major
League Baseball history.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But didn't win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh no, it didn't even make the World Series. And
how about this.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The Yankees, even though they bring up their top two prospects,
have now lost nine straight games for the first time
since Arnie had a mullet in a pony tail September
of nineteen eighty two. Every franchise besides the Yankees had
at least one nine game losing streak during that stretch
(01:46):
entering tonight, and the Yankees hadn't.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So what is going on?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, I've got I gave you is that the
METSA Yankees have never finished in the last place in
the same year, and they're pretty close to doing that. Now.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's just pretty. That's not pretty. So there's the baseball
side of things. A few games currently in progress. We'll
be keeping tabs on them as the night progresses.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You know, just to bring up baseball real quick. I
hate to grab the steering wheel from you.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, you don't, You're You're fine with it. It's okay.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'm just wondering, you know, By the.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Way, the definite under was hitting that.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It took two minutes and forty seconds before are you
were talking?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Mane, grab your wheel for a second. Just drive, just
drive the whole It's it's like I, you know, messing
with the radio and I changed from your favorite song
or something like that. You heard where the White Sox
possibly could go to the Nashville And not that I
want to talk about that because nobody really cares, but
I was thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Why are you bringing it up?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm just wondering, how do you think attendants would go
upcause the Dodgers just crushing the attendance. What would happen
if the Angels moved out of Los Angeles or if
the White Sox did move. Does that mean that attendance
for the Cup games were like double or something like that.
I mean, think about how many people more people would
go to a Dodger game. I guess if the Angels
weren't around. I'm just wondering what happens when the White
(03:08):
Sox if they do leave, what that does for the Cubs?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, so I have a question.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
All I hear and having spent I don't want to
say a lot of time but quite a bit of
time in my favorite city, Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I don't really hear a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That would be going to Dodgers games if they didn't
go to Angels games, because all I hear is that
the Angels don't play in Los Angeles, so.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Right, I know, but maybe if you want to see baseball,
you know, some people just want to see teams that
coming from, you know, in other states on their enough.
I don't know. Dodgers crush it. There's nobody even close
to them when it comes to attendance. I'm wondering if
they didn't have any competition. If I consider the Angels competition, I.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Don't think that's competition.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I don't know what it would do for Cubs attendance
or Dodgers attendants if either one of those teams ever left.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Is there talk of the Angels leaving?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
No, there was talk to the White Sox, is why
I was thinking about it. I don't know if that's
you know what, if I'm in the White Sox, i'd
consider it, depending on the deal I would get. Nashville
is the new hot city, you know, So that's why
you grabbed the wheel? Yeah I did. I'm sorry take
it back. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All right, Well, let's get to some football here, shall we.
I'm sorry, I got a lot of football stuff here.
I have a question. But before we get the question,
let me let me pay off a whole show tease.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Today Todd Bowles named Baker Mayfield the starting quarterback for
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he explained the why behind it.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
We go through many camp, training camp and OTAs and
we love everything Kyle is done, and he's gotten leaps
and bounds better he has in the spring, and he's
continuing to get better and we're excited about him. Oh,
Baker's our guy right now, experience wise and understanding the
playbook just a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, and he kind of backed that up. He understands
things you.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Can throw it. He's very smart. He understands football very well.
He can read defenses. He's very good for the scheme
we're using, as is Kyle. I'm not denying that either.
But Baker is a guy we're going with right now,
and we're comfortable with that.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Boy. They really couched a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It was the only real quarterback battle I think between
two dudes. Tennessee has a question just I think you
and Jason did a show together a couple of weeks ago,
and I thought Jason Martin put, well, oh, Jason.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Martin, I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah, what I thought you've been
Jason Smith. Jason Martin, No, no, Jason Martin.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You guys did a show together a couple of weeks
ago on a Saturday night, and you had brought up
if there's a battle in Tennessee, and I thought Jason
brought up a good point, and it was, you know,
Ryan Tannehill is their starter, but that doesn't mean he's
going to be their start of the whole season.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, maybe four weeks, I think, is what he said.
I remember him saying that.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And you look at this situation right here.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Baker is the starter, but with the way that Todd
Bowles talked, and that's an offensive minded coach, so you know,
he's not usually a guy that's going to care too
much about a quarterback's feelers. They were really careful to
couch about everything with Kyle Trask, so and let's be fair,
as much as I'm a complete and unabashed Baker Homer,
and I feel like he's gonna be fine. Thanks getting
(06:06):
in well for him in Carolina, even though he won
the job there, but things went a little better for
him with the Rams. So I'm intrigued by Tampa. They
still have some dudes. I don't I don't think they're
necessarily a super Bowl team or a NFC championship team,
but that division is wide open, and I'm just I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
What a group of quarterbacks in that division? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
What a group of quarterbacks in that division? Baker Mayfield
is starting for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You have the
number one pick in the draft, and everyone's freaking out
about Bryce Young, Desmond Ritter, a second year guy, would
Ridder go fourth round the year before, and then Derek Carr,
whom the Raiders, according to Peter King, lost confidence in.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
That is like the land of misfit toys.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
That this is the last go round for Baker Mayfield.
I've read that story about him, Ousimi. What was it
like twelve million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
To what his father's Yeah, there's like a bunch of
family members that are mentioned in this lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
That is that is just so sad. I feel bad
for him. Yeah, you know, I like Baker. Also, he's
out lived up to expectations. I'm not gonna say it's
all his fault, though, I mean some of those situations
were not the best situations. Obviously, in Cleveland that was
a big debacle, and he was still able to go
and make the playoffs with him, so I look at
that as a plus situation. I'm kind of curious to
(07:28):
what he's gonna do with Tampa if he's the quarterback
half the quarterback. I think he is. Maybe maybe he
continues his career and he has a pretty good year
for them, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I like Baker because he's he's got a great personality.
For some reason, he's a lightning rod for criticism. I mean,
that's fine, but I think that's gonna be a fun
team to follow this year. Which gets me to a
very important question here, Arnie. I'm trying to put together
a list of teams that I consider to be super
Bowl or bust.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Okay, now I have.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Six that are currently on this list, and I don't
really have a defining quality except to say these are
teams that if they don't play in the super Bowl
or they don't make the super Bowl, it is a
disappointing season.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So here's my and it's wild because there's a part
of me I didn't put the Patriots in this, but
you know they're fans, you know, but you know their
fans feel that way.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It's like, we just went to super Bowl. We should
be fine for.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Your fans are just as delusional, but they're not going
to the super Bowl either.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well, you have picked the Dolphins to go to the
super Bowl every the year on the show, So I
don't think you should call any fan base delusional.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But that's just me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So I've got six that I came up with right now,
and I and I only had two from the NFC.
I had San Francisco and I had Philadelphia, Okay, because
I do think if Dallas, you know, makes the playoffs
and wins a playoff game or potentially gets the NFC
Championship game, right, I feel like that's high five. We
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did incredible things. Kansas City. To me, Kansas City is
always going to be super Bowl or bus. But with
that said, I don't necessarily think that it's a disappointment
if they don't win it because they won it so much.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Right, So yeah, that's a case that one, right, So I.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Was a little bit torn on that.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Just after my year. This is like if if they
don't win it, it's not a successful year.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
That's what I said.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Super Bowl or bus right, Buffalo Bills are built for it.
And then I was torn because the New York Jets
are definitely on that list, or at least they've been
crammed down our throat to the point that they should
be on that list. And I had two teams that
I was debating with myself over I put Baltimore on
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that list.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Gotta put Baltimore on that. I would have put that.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Okay, well then that was my six.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I was thinking about Baltimore and Miami is Miami
with the way you talk, they are, but it's Miami
truly in like a super Bowl or bust mode because
I don't think they are.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Of course they are. I mean right now, I think
they're right up there to win that division. I think
most people have them making the playoffs. And if you
look at how many teams are actually favored to go
to the Super Bowl out of the AFC, you'll have
the Chiefs and the Bills and the Bengals. Can you
believe that the Jets are favored over the Dolphins?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
The Chargers are favored over the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's a joke. I may have.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Chins are favored over the Dolphins. The Ravens are favored
over there.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
No, it's either are all the same price there at
least all I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think I've got a right in front of me too.
I've got the Vegas Insider dot com. Is that what
you're looking at?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. So I think that's
one of the best bargains in sports is taking the Dolphins.
I think it was at twenty one to one. I
think they have a better chance of going then let's
say the Ravens or the Jets. That's for sure. The
Jets are getting a lot of New York or crazy
money with the whole Aaron Rodgers situation. That's the reason
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they're getting it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The best number for the Dolphins is plus twenty five hundred,
which is exactly the same as the Chargers the Ravens.
The Raven's best number are twenty one hundred. Sorry, it's
more consistent at twenty five hundred, which is the same
number as the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you have the Ravens, Jets in just the AFC
Bengals Bills and Chiefs that all are at better numbers
than Miami is right now. So but you're saying you're
gonna be disappointed, and you're gonna say it's a bust
of a year. Fire everyone, and we suck. If they
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don't go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Gotta go to the super Bowl. This is the zero.
They're built for it. They got all the weapons they
got to keep too a healthy. Especially if they gohead
and trade for a running back like Jonathan Taylor, then
you know they're all in. And then it's all inter
I mean, my goodness. If they go ahead and give
up a first round pick for Jonathan Taylor, you know
they're not messing around and they think they could win
the Super I just don't.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Know what they can trade for him. I don't know
what you have.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I'll just give more bogus picks. I don't care bogus picks.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And then when the draft comes around, you're gonna complain
that you're not able to draft anyone. Uh would you
add anyone to that list? Would you add I don't
know that. Would you add the Chargers to that?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
If I'm gonna do boom or bust, it's gonna be
Bills fans. They think they can win it. Obviously they should.
It's the Dolphin fans also, even though the Jet fans
think they're gonna win it, that's delusional. So I would
stop too.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Between you, it's more delusional what you're saying about the.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No no believe. That's why I'm hired. I'm the football
expert here. I think Baltimore is realistic they could go,
and so Cincinnati. So there's four right there out of
those two divisions. Out of the AFC South. None of
those teams should expect to go because they're all garbage,
so you can forget about that. And the only team
out of the AFC West is is Kansas City. So
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you got five teams out of the AFC. But I
give more teams out of the NFC credit than you do.
I think you got to get philledelph you in Dallas.
Any team that wins twelve games the last couple of years,
you got to give him a little bit more credit.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Look, I'm not saying it's going to be a bust
if the Giants don't win it. Maybe expecting you a
little bit more. Minnesota won thirteen games last year. You
gotta start giving them a chance to go boom or bust,
especially after what they did last year. And the same
goes with San Francisco. So I'd probably take four teams
out of the NFC.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
What do you mean, I'm still having a hard time
figuring out two teams, and not even Super Bowl or bust.
But if there's a team that needs to be added
to that list or taken away, like the Dolphins, hit
us up on Twitter, it's sneaking Genius one or at
Plank Show, or of course at Fox Sports Radio. I
have no idea, and it's two NFC teams. I have
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no idea how Jordan Love is gonna work out in
Green Bay. It's exciting to see what he's.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Done on the preseason.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
He looks good in the preseason, but it's not the
regular season, and it's a whole different world when you
get into the grind of a regular season.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So the preseason pro Bowler green.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Bay intrigues me. And then I don't even know where
the Rams are right now. Because Stafford healthy, we haven't
seen him in the preseason. He's one of I think
eight quarterbacks that we haven't seen in the preseason. The
Rams are back in a situation where they control they're
twenty twenty four first round draft pick, so they have
a first round pick back. Some think that they might
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be in that tank conversation, but then you look around
and I mean, they've invested a lot of money and resources,
not just offensively, but especially defensively with Aaron Donald, I
don't I can't fathom that team not being better this year.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Fantas Yeah, yeah, because they're gonna start off one and nine.
It is a It's a horrible, horrible beginning for this team.
They are not going to do maybe two in eight
if they're lucky, it's gonna be another five and twelve season.
They're lucky to get the Cardinals twice, it wasn't for them.
I don't know how many games are gonna win. It's
just gonna be a bad year. Look at the games.
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Look would they start at Seattle, which is a loss,
San Francisco loss.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know if that Seattle would be a loss.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
At Cincinnati, a loss at the coatal loss, Philip Dupho
horible Philadelphia is a loss. Thank goodness they have the
Cardinals after that. That's the only game that you could
give them. I could see them at that point, like
one in five or one in six or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I think they beat Indianapolis. I think that they beat Seattle,
and they I think theyt Arizona. They're a three and
three team heading in a week seven against Pittsburgh and.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Then they got Pittsburgh at Dallas at Green Bay forget
about it. They're in trouble. I don't know trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I think that they might have something up their sleeve,
and that's either completely imploding and tanking.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, I'm making a little bit of a run one
final stand with Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, they're gonna be looking for a quarterback once he
certainly retires, and it certainly looks sooner then later. I
don't know if Stenson Bennett's the answer there, though I am.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I can answer that he is not the answer.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Oh you said that about Jalen Hurts. I'm intrigued by
Bennett to be.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're intrigued by Bennett. Okay, well go watch him play
in that second hand.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Pro Bowler, preseason Pro Bowler.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That's who Stet's and Bennett.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, did they have a good game?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Dude? Your Pro Bowl level is really gipping right now.
I think you need to reevaluate it. I disagree with you.
I think the Rams are going to be good. I
think they're gonna be good. Cooper cupp is back, you
had Van Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, everybody can't be good in that division. San Francisco, Seattle,
the Rams.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, we know Arizona's not going to be.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yes that they're gonna be bad for the three of them.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So you so you have them. They're not gonna be good.
I don't know how good Seattle is. That was. They
were led by g Smith, Kennyn Canny catch lightning in
a bottle again. They they just lost their first round pick,
their wide receiver who got injured.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The Rams and the Packers really have me flummixed, as
you can tell.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I don't know what to make of either one of it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
All right, I've got to dive into Speaking of the Seahawks,
Pete Carroll went on Richard Sherman's podcast and explained the
decision making process behind the play.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
We'll dive into that coming up in just a bit.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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on the Rangers as they add at the top of
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
Come. I liked what Jason B.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Diamond said on Twitter, which is the best way to
stay in touch with the show at Stinking Genius One.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's Arnie I'm at Plank Show.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Jason writes, I would have just one thing instead of
Super Bowl or Bust on the NFL list, I would
say a team like the Washington Commanders are playoffs or
bust with their new owners.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Another great show, fam appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Uh yeah, yeah, new ownership, even as awkward as this
dude seems. Did you see the handshake thing last night
with Joe Buck?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah? I did. That was funny.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I can't watch him. I can't bless his heart.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's like the cringiest thing ever and something I totally
could see myself.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
That was Joe Buck's fault, though he didn't really, you know,
put it out there. He just kind of like flimsy
kind of put it out there.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He talks with his hands. He had his hands out
and he was holding it there. But the funny thing
is you could see the dude look at his hand
and it's like.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Do I do I shake his hand?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah? He didn't. Moment I thought maybe he was talking
to one hundred percent sure you wanted to Jake at
that point.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But in your mind, would would you say the Commanders
with new ownership with Sam Howe with Eric b Enemy,
knowing that there are many that think he could be
a head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
They were lost. They were eight eight one last year,
so it wasn't like they're awful. They just played in
the NFL's toughest division and it might still be the
toughest division. If the Giants, I mean they had a
perfect story of they had easy schedule. But if the
Giants are as good as they've shown, the Cowboys in
Philadelphia will be the other Washington Commanders will be in
last place again because it's such a tough division.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I have a question for you. Do you consider eight
eight and one a good record?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Depends on the team for them?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I do this team that you were bragging about going
to playoffs a couple of years ago, this team that
won super Bowls, the Washington freaking well they were Redskins,
but now Commanders, the history and tradition, You're like, yeah,
eight eight and one's fine. You just spent ten billion
dollars to buy him, and you're gonna be happy at
eight eight and one.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But it's your first year. You're gonna have to be
a little bit patient. No why, and you want to
do better than eight eight and one. But again, being
eight eight and one in the toughest division I think
is acceptable. If was the worst division, then you're talking
to different story here.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
We don't even know if it's gonna be the best division.
Would you tell me all off season last year? Oh,
the AFC West Russell Wilson, DeVante Adams, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
It sucked. It was the Chiefs again.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, they could finish the third ahead of the Giants.
I mean that's a possibility, but I still think it's
Philadelphia Dallas gonna finish one too either way.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right, But you don't believe that it's a situation for
Ron Rivera or for this team.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You're saying you're wrong, Jason B. Diamond.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's not playoffs or bus. If you're five hundred or
eight and nine or nine and eight, you're fine.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah, I would think so, I wouldn't wouldn't like hit
the thing where it's like, oh, we got to talk
about Washington and how they're gonna empty house because they
finished shight nine. I don't see that going on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Do you know what year this is for Ron Rivera?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Wow? I wanted to say four.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You're right, you're right, and he has gone to the playoffs,
but with a losing record. Right in twenty twenty they
won the division with a seven and nine record, So
they've gone seven to nine, seven and ten, eight, eight
and one.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And now this year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I like Ron Rivera, but I do think if I
bought this team and I'm Josh Harris, even though he
some of his other ownership ventures haven't necessarily gone so well.
But I think they're gonna be in it to win
at Arnie. I think this is gonna be a proven year.
They've got to make the playoffs for Ron Rivera, especially
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with the money they allegedly invested in Eric Bane Mey too.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
But you're saying, no, you're not buying it right now?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What about Sam Howe? I mean, is this guy the answer?
You're putting a lot of stock in him, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Why not? I mean, let's see, let's see if it
works out.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hey, since we're on Washington, we'll get to the Pete
Carroll stuff after the update.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
What did you make of the celebration last night? Was
it a little over the top?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, a kicker that hasn't made a game tying
or game winning field goal in the regular season in
his career is flashing an L to the Ravens sideline.
I mean, they're celebrating like they just won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Don't you make that look the celebrity like they at
least won a regular season game, maybe even a game
that clinched them a playoff spot. So I'll go as
far as saying that. But because it was made so
much about the streak, and as much as people like
you and I are talking about it, you know, everybody's
talking about it. Gamblers are talking about it, sports talks
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talking about it, it just got nauseating. And it's not
just for this season. Years and years now, it seems
like this has been the big thing. You knew somebody
wanted to beat them and that Washington was going to
go out of their way if they had to a
little bit to come up with the victory. So I'm
okay with it. I think it's kind of funny. You know,
it's a preseason game. Anyways, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know, do you consider the twenty what would he
stop at twenty three? Twenty four? Do you consider that impressive?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah? I do. I mean, if you won twenty four
games out and pick up basketball in a row, I
think that's impressive. So the fact that it was preseason, yeah,
obviously it makes a difference. I'm not gonna tell you
it does n'im but it does show you, especially when
you're not even playing your starters the whole way either,
so you're playing your second streak and third streak slip
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times also, so that's why I find it impressive.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Okay, I will throw this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I saw I saw one of my favorite Twitter follows,
Berry on Here tweety this last night, and I think
he might be one hundred percent right. And I'm not
one of these guys that's gonna lose to you. Mind,
like you're saying, everyone's been talking about it. I felt
like last year was the first time I started hearing
about the streak. But Barry said, the Ravens twenty four
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preseason game win streak is oddly probably one of the
most unbreakable sports records of all time.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
No those sub out there, but it might be up there.
I have to agree with him on that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, who else the Raiders have now won. To
give you an idea, they've won six in a row.
They were four and oh last year, in two and
oh this year six. So in order to win, just
to give you an idea, just to get to twenty four,
that means that would be eighteen, that'd be six more years.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And yeah, of going undefeated in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Now that it's only three preseason again, enough you had
six preseason games and you could do it during three seasons.
Maybe there's a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But we're not here to try to get more preseason
game I know that, I know.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific before.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
O'Brian rejoins this couple of things, Arnie, Yeah, this is
starting to make the rounds. Tonight on the volume podcast
Work That's Collins Podcast crew, Richard Sherman as a podcast
and his special guest this week was Pete Carroll, and
they talked about the play. You and I were doing
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the Super Bowl show when this happened at the goal
line and Richard Sherman asked him about it. Here was
Pete Carroll's excuse, Arnie, let me know, are not excuse explanation.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Let me know if you're buying.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You know you guys, you're so mad at me and
so pissed hurt. I wish I could feel it the
way I should feel it. But you know you got
to keep that play just happened. It wasn't like by design,
It wasn't there was no agenda. That play just happened.
You guys couldn't hear it for years. But when we
got down there, I remember we had one time out,
and so as soon as we got there, I said,
one of these players, we're going to have to throw
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it to get all four plays, because I'm always in
make sure that we have a chance to get all
four shots. So we run the first play and I
think what happened is Bill's late. He sends in the
goal lane team and we had already sent it in eleven.
That went through the play callers, and that's what led
them to throw it on that down. It had nothing
to do with anything else. We've practiced it a million times.
It was just the way we had prepared, so I
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was rock solid on the philosophy of it. It just
was the worst play that could ever happen, you know,
and the guy makes a I'm a play of a
career for everybody's career, really, and then it turned all
of that so dark.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That's a great explanation, but it's still kind of wild
to think, Arnie, what that did to that Seattle Seahawks organization,
because at that moment, it just tore everything apart. Legion
of boom started to fall apart. They got mad at
what Russell Wilson, because as he said, there was no
agenda there. I mean, it was just it really is
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one play. Like for instance, I still look back, even
though the Raiders went to the Super Bowl a year later,
I still say the tuck rule ripped the herd out of.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The Raiders franchise. It really truly did.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And then John Gruden stopped on it whenever they beat
him in the Super Bowl the way that they did.
You go back to when was that twenty fourteen? You
go back to that Super Bowl. Seahawks haven't been the
same since.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, you know what, Christy. Listen to his explanation when
we set out this eleven man, we're supposed to set
out this eleven man. We were gonna call this, We're
supposed to do this. It made it sound like there
was a little bit of turmoil going on. That's what
if I'm the quarterback of um Russell Wilson going what
the hell's going on here? I mean, it's like a
fire drill, you know what. Get in here. I'm calling
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a play and I'm not gonna pass the ball because
I got a timeout. Let's hand the ball off, go
up the middle. If we don't score, we call time out,
we figure it out because everything's going crazy. I certainly
don't go back and just force the ball in the
middle like he did. So I gotta give him more
than fifty percent of the blame because he could have
always audible in that situation, will call the different players.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
So you're not buying the excuse. You're not buying.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Hey, our philosophy is we want to get four plays there,
and we knew we were gonna throw No the.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Way that was on first down, right or second first down?
How much time was left in the game.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Oh, now you're gonna make me look all this way and.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
They only had one time out, is what you're telling me, right,
that's right. Yeah, you you always go with the with
the run first and uh and see if you could
put it in otherwise then you have to know you
have to pass it in.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So you're not buying any of this, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm not. I don't buy it at all.
I'm not not for a second.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
So you think Pete Carroll just made all that up.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
No, I think he was just kind of mumbling and
just kind of I don't think he knows what the
hell he was talking, so you don't think I think
if he did the podcast, I think if he did
that same podcast next week, you'd come up with a
different explanation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I thought it was an awesome explanation, and I thought
it was great in laying it out. Now, this is
where everyone needs to know. Arnie doesn't care about formations
or coordinators or even the offensive line. The hindsight is
a perfect twenty twenty. The light the look that they
got like, hey man, we practiced this and ozach of
a play. Should they have run it? Absolutely, they should
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have practice.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
What he made it sound like they were in the
wrong formation, something in the wrong play and everything.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, No, he was talking about the Patriots. Oh okay, yeah,
he saw that. The Patriots came out and they were
in goal line, and you know, we had our personnel
where that's a great matchup. We could throw the football
against it. And it didn't work. Boy, it really did.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You look back, I mean, Arnie, you look back over
the last now decade since that happened.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
What a wild turn. Now, and listen I say about
the Trailblazers when they lost to the Lakers in that
Game seven where the Lakers came back and Portland's never
been the same since.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Let me let me pose this.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, every fan base has that moment.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I just brought it up with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I still get ill thinking about the tuck rule and
then watching John Gruden dance on the sideline for the Buccaneers.
Seahawk fans are gonna wear that for a long time.
Franchise changing moments. What's the one that sticks with you?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Now? You brought up the Trailblazers. Yeah, which one was that.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Day when they lost to the Lakers. They had a
lead in Game seven, I think by sixteen points going
into the fourth quarter. Lakers came back, won that game,
went on the win the championship, and the Lakers were
Portland was never the same after that.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
They led by thirteen heading into the final period.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Oh thirteen, okay, so just just miserable after that.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I was trying to think of another one off the
top of my head.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
What about a good one like that? Turned out to
be a like when Pittsburgh after they had the immaculate receipt.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
No, no, no, no, stop stop. No positive vibes here,
what are you doing? We're talking negative vibes, Aarnie. We're
going to this is if you're just getting up for work.
I mean you're not, you're working overnights. Let's get the
negative vibes out so we can start this off on
the right track. But you're right, there are some amazing
positive ones too, right the Francoharris. I mean, think about
that for Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
What a watershed moment too for Brady and Belichick because
if they.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Don't pick off that pass and.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
The Seahawks win that game, right, oh boy, Rob Parker
is having a hell of a time in crushing Tom Brady,
right if they don't win that game?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
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Speaker 4 (31:46):
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Speaker 3 (32:24):
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Typically we spend the final segment of our second or
third hour making sure we've got all of our loosens
tied up, so in to make sure we get it right,
say a little Brian Finley.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
What's up? By Finley?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I got some good stuff for you guys. Okay, shady,
I want to.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
Go into finer details about this former USC quarterbacks or
running back, I should say, situation with Reggie Bush, who
will reportedly submit a lawsuit on Wednesday accusing the NCAA
of defamation. Now, Arnie, I understand that you know a
lot about law, but your National Parks and Forestry degree
from the University of Arizona, I'm not sure that applies
(33:09):
or helps that much in this set.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Bush is making this move accusing the NCAA of defamation
and hopes of, of course, getting that two thousand and
five Heisman trophy reinstated. And according to a statement from
law firm mcatherne, Now you said something earlier, Arnie, that
you might have known somebody who was a part of
this law firm mcatherne.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Is that familiar. My sister law is one of the lawyers.
Oh wow.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
So they basically have released a memo saying, quote, this
lawsuit is based on the NCUBLEA maliciously attacking Bush's character
through a completely false and highly offensive statement that was
widely reported the media substantially irreparably damaged his reputation.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Close quote.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
All of that is to say, guys, the nc DOUBLE
has acknowledged that, yeah, sure, names, images and likeness that
as far as players now earning money off that that
has changed but it's still not okay to have to
pay for play deals, which is what Bush got caught up.
And essentially, guys, what I think this is gonna come
down to is the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Trust.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
They have said since the beginning that two thousand and
five season for USC was vacated by the NCAA, which
is why he doesn't get the Heisman. If they were
able to say that that season counted, then I think
Bush gets the Heisman back.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
No, you know what, I don't care if they say
the season didn't count or accounted. We know, we saw
it with our own nives. We know that it was participated,
We know that it was played on. What about teams
that maybe have a one game taken away? Are you
gonna say, well, that one game ruins the stats, and
now you take away the Heisman or the MVP. No,
we know what he did on the field. Give him
(34:49):
his give him his Heisman Trophy. He deserves it, he
earned it. We never should have taken it away. To
begin with, whatever he did wrong, you never should have
taken away the Heisman. If if you wanted to catch them,
you should have caught him in college and suspended them
for a few games. This is Bogus giving back his trophy.
What if?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
What if? Arnie?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, it had been something where it cost your team
a chance because essentially with the rules in those days, right,
really illegal what they were doing. But you're saying once
you're out of college it shouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah, once you're out of college, you know that's it.
It's I mean, you have your chance to get him.
You want to go ahead and implement a penalty, And
I'm not for one of those guys and say, Okay,
he's gone, let's punish the kids that are there right now. No, no, no,
I don't like it working like that. I don't want
to do that at all, and nor should it be
done that way.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Chris, Well, that's how it's done. That's done everywhere.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
But that's why I said it shouldn't be done that way.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So okay, then if you don't find out about it
until two years later, then how are you supposed to
handle it?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Just so get away with it? Then that's not everything.
Not every crime goes punished. Okay, Sometimes people get away
with it. Some crimes go unpunished. You just say you
got away with it. You're out of college now, and
so be it kind of like the Harbaugh situation. Had
he not got the three game suspension, he was not
going to come back next year. He was going to
(36:18):
get away with it. So, uh no, sometimes you get
away with stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
That's yeah. I think that's one of the worst takes
you've ever had.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
No, what do you mean, I thought that was a
great take.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, I mean the school that then the school, why
wouldn't you just constantly cheat because well they the guy
that did it graduated already and he's in the NFL.
The NFL is even talking about implementing something to where
you could be in trouble once you get to the league.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
For I don't say crimes, but the rules you broke
in college.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Yeah, that's crazy. Could you imagine me getting punished in
by new employee because of something I did here? That'd
be crazy, you know, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But it can happen.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It can happen because you made the mistake and it
might cost to you in the future and Fox Sports
Radio or whomever employed you and watched it happen. Yeah, Okay,
the guy might be able to get away with it,
the school's still gonna have to pay. Sorry, Brian, we
got carried away, it's Fox.
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