September 26, 2023 • 35 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon wrap up coverage of the Monday Night double-header between the Buccaneers vs Eagles, and Bengals vs Rams. Jason believes the Cowboys might be as great as people are making them out to be, considering the opponents they’ve beaten this year have terrible offenses. Plus, the Jets have a Zach Wilson problem, but the QB position isn’t the only thing dragging the team down.
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the Rams now seven and a half to go in
the fourth quarter. Evan McPherson good from fifty four yards
out give the Bengals a nineteen to nine lead over
the Rams. The Rams have not looked good. We've seen
a lot of balls at Matthew Stafford's thrown knocking be
bouncing off of player's hands, and he's so slow.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He just all the young quarterbacks he's slow to get
rid of the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They don't look in sync as much as you know,
he finds Atwell and Nakua. You know, these guys have
been fines this year so far. That just doesn't seem
like they're in sync yet. And the Bengals even playing
a C plus game right now on top nineteen to nine.
Although I will say this earlier in the game too
to Atwell caught a pass and he kind of tight
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roped it down the sidelines and got into the end
zone for a touchdown. However, was overturned. It was ruled
that he stepped out of bounds. I don't know that
he stepped out of bounds, but I don't think it
was conclusive, because yeah, but the fact if it wasn't
conclusive that he stepped out of bounds, it getting overruled
was a really big deal because at Well, you could
tell he catches the ball and he's got a couple
of steps, he's moving towards the sideline and he leaps
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into the end zone. It was rule that he stepped
out of bounds at about the two yard line, but
you watch the replays, he doesn't come all the way
down with his foot. He just comes down with the
with the top part of his foot, you know, on
the balls of your feet, because probably he knows, hey,
if I come down with my entire foot, I might
come down out of bounds. You know, players do that.
And he had the body control of just come down
on the on the balls of his foot and leap
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into the end zone. I never saw the bottom of
his foot touch out of bounds. Now it's close now
seeing that play, that's one of those plays that screams out, Okay,
whatever the call is on the field, that's the call.
And yet to go and say you have you have
overwhelming evidence that he was that he was not in bounds.
That's not overwhelming. I don't understand how that was ruled
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that way. I mean it the best thirty for thirty.
The best documentary you can have is I want a
documentary of what people are looking at. I want every
single I want every single people behind the scenes, person
behind the scenes, What are you looking at? How can
you say that this is this and this was a catch,
this wasn't well.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But is this where you have the the video capabilities
like you're an FBI agent, right, or the I'm an
agent or the security and surveillance room of the Montecito
from the show in Las Vegas where he could blow
things up with crystal clarity and see whether there was,
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you know, part of his foot out of balance. To me,
I'm with you. I've watched it now and I've had
it on a loop here as we're talking just now, uh,
time and again, and I don't see how you you
rule that. I will say this though, anybody that played
McPherson in your fantasy league four out of five tonight,
including a fifty four yard or just now, to which
Steve de Sager was so excited he got his hands up.
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So I don't know if he's got him in a
fantasy league. He was just calling it along with it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
If I told you, if I told you, what If
I told you Steve de Sager is in an all
kicker fantasy league, only draft kickers and you know it's
only kickers every week.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Is one of the most interesting man I've ever met.
Step Are you in that league?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are you in that all.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Kill I'm in one where we can only have Titans
and Bears. Oh wow, Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You want to add a Jenner to you while you're
at it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So my current game right now is fourteen to nine
in fantasy.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, the Bengals game tonight is outscoring I guess now.
Actually I did quite well this weekend, even with a
chain still on the bench.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh yeah, it's yeah, what's it now? It's chen well,
when you have fifty fantasy dolphins, Yeah, you get to
call yourself outside. You know what you get called?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I will say the kicker for the Bengals tonight,
he tried a his longest attempt very early, I think
it was the first drive this evening and missed that wide.
It looked like he had the distance. So if he
had made that, he would be what five for five
and that would include fifty six and fifty four and
fifty three yards. He's the bulk of the offense tonight.
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Could you do a fantasy league where all you had
were kickers and punters? I once had a fantasy league.
It's just math, yes, yeah, okay, how would.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You How would you do it for? How would you
it for a punter?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That net not not gross? Average tackle on a punt
return is a bonus point.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's good, all right, kicker?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I mean how many would you would you play?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Would you have a kicker and a punter and a
flex spot.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I could be a kicker or this was the problem
with the Raiders last night because usually we fantasy football players,
you get extra points like these long field goals are
four and five points for Evan McPherson. Managers right that
own him on their fantasy team. That was the problem
with Josh McDaniel's last night. He kicked the field goal
against the Steelers, Yeah, to go down by five, thinking
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just one more kick would do it. Let's just line
up really long and Carlson could do it for us.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Did he learn nothing from Lafloora and Aaron Rodgers and
you know a playoff game a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Speaking of a certain team that Rogers plays for or
maybe doesn't play for currently. I thought, after the last
couple of weeks, maybe all breaks, no gas.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's a new tea. Thank you, Steve happy
to help? Yeah, thank you, next second, not at all.
Uh So that's what's where we sit right now. Again.
McPherson having a big night nineteen to nine Bengals with
the leads seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Going into this week, Cowboys were the best team in
the NFL second All right, going well going into this week.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I argued going last week, Miami was a little boy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, but but at the time, the Cowboys were more
dominant than both sides of the football.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
After watching the Cowboys yesterday, and it was it was
awful watching the Cowboys because I'm watching Josh Dobbs lead
the team downfield where Zach Wilson could do nothing the
week before. I'm watching the defense pick off Dak Prescott
and and and force turnovers when the Jets defense just
couldn't do anything. And I know that there's a big
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push all the Cowboys lose this game. And the general
consensus that you've seen from peoples so far over the
last twenty four hours was, ah, you know, Cowboys fat
cat syndrome. They were flat after the first two games
that had their opener against the Giants, which they really
wanted to win, their home opener against the Jets. They
came out and they did. They came out, they came
out on fire, they came out with purpose in both
of those games. But here they are, They're playing the Cardinals.
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Cardinals are the worst team in the NFL. They come
out flat and they lose. That's been the general consensus.
But let me throw something that's kind of a darker
side for the Dallas Cowboys. Let's tack right, because after
seeing this and seeing the way they played yesterday and
suddenly Dak looked like just an average quarterback, maybe the
Cowboys are just a little overrated, and maybe the Jets
and Giants both just stink. Okay, because think about this
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for a second. What have we seen so far in
the three games both of those teams have played. Both
of their teams, their offenses are awful. Now, you don't
know what the Jets offense would look like with Aaron Rodgers,
but what we can say is what does the Jets
offense look like with Zach Wilson. It's terrible, and not
only has has that happened, but it's shown that there's
deficiencies were on the team because you watched yesterday and
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the Jets receivers couldn't get open. So it's not it's
not all on Zach. It's it's Zach Wilson. It's the
Jets receivers couldn't get open. So now, okay, so outside
of Garrett Wilson, the Jets receivers aren't very good. Jets
offensive line not very good. Right, you watch the Patriots
being able to manhandle them. So the Jets offensively they stink,
all right. The Giants offensively they stink. They had two
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quarters of good football against the Cardinals, it right, And
now you look at the Giants. What they're they're receiving
weapons not very good? Yeah, no, Saquon Barkley, No, okay,
you finally see them play and you had Okay, Well,
it's one thing to plan for a team in the
offseason and think we're deep in a position. But offensively,
the Jets and the Giants both stink. They both stink.
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And these are the two teams the Dallas Cowboys dominated.
They played against another team we thought stunk, but look
at that, and they wind up having all kinds of
trouble and they lose the Cardinals. So let's throw it
out there that maybe it's not the Cowboy being flat.
Maybe the Cowboys are the Cowboys, and both teams they
were able to work it up against are just really bad.
Because watching both these teams, the Jets and the Giants,
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oh boy, they both look really bad. And this this
football season in New York looks like it's gonna be. Hey,
can I become a Bills fan for five minutes? Can
I moved to Western New York? Because both these teams stink?
Stink out loud.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
One of the things watching the Cardinals game, because remember
I got a double dose when they took away the
Bears Chiefs game to try to give me, you know,
the TV equivalent of a mercy keel. As a Bears
fan is watching that game, it was we're just punching
you in the mouth repeatedly. Right, the Cardinals went straight
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at them, and then you had opportunities and Dobbs got
rid of the ball efficiently and cleanly. On the other side,
when you're playing from behind, because right the Cardinals jump
out and now you're playing from behind, it it changes
your whole offense, changes how you can play defense. Right,
you're not on your heels because you're from ahead. It's
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a lot easier for Micah Parsons to tee off. Right.
Other than some random extraneous comments about what a player
he is and MVP conversation whatever else, there really wasn't
a lot of mention to Micah Parsons for much of
that game. Untelv's oh, he breaks through. Finally it's like, okay,
so you got to check the box as he finally
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got to Dobbs because he held the ball a little longer.
Otherwise they did a good job. James Connor is a
guy playing with heart, and it's one of those teams.
We talked about it a few years ago with Miami
and now Brian Flores and his NFL you know, world
and everything, but remember when they weren't very good, but
they played hard. And we see a team like that
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once or twice a year where there's a stretch of
time we're like, all right, they're not getting everything together,
but they're battling into the fourth quarter before they give
it away. And that was the Cardinals for the first
two weeks of this season, right, battling leads into the
fourth and you're like, they're not very good, but they're
hanging around and you're gonna get an effort. And here
you think you're gonna come in and walk over what
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was eighty four percent of public bets and all sorts
of parlays and everything else were tied to this game
that they were just gonna walk over. And their whole
strategy was just all right, we're gonna punch you in
the mouth. We're gonna shorten this game. We're gonna have
these long, protracted drives. And to their credit, the defense
also came even with no Buddh Baker, right the most
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celebrated guy on that side of the ball for them,
they still had a great game plan and kept McCarthy
guessing as a play caller, and Dak Prescott struggled terribly.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I am looking at the Cowboys with a different lens
than I did going into this week because they they
looked deer in headlights against the Cardinals, and maybe you're right,
maybe a little bit of it was they got punched
in the mouth and then had a team come in
and we're prepared. The Giants were flat and the Jets
were very scared.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like they came in.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We don't want Sak Wilson to throw the ball more
than three feet, right, we can't. You can't do that.
You can't abandon the run.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But you didn't. You didn't use bat. Dalvin Cooks.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
This Jets Giants thing is a complete and total, total
organizational failure.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's not just on the corner, but this is complete,
says like in terms of philosophy, right when you when
you look at what your Jets did a week ago,
they did nothing to try to save Zach Wilson. No,
it's it's it's it's sacrificed in their play calling.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And I'm gonna say something. A few minutes you're gonna go,
wait what, and it's gonna not gonna make sense, and
then it's gonna make sense. But for the Cowboys, it's okay. Yeah,
they came out and then they were really full of themselves,
and then they had this kind then they had this
kind of of of clunker.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And it's it's not that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
In watching this game yesterday and watching watching them play,
they looked much more normal, right that, like the Cardinals
able to normalize them, whereas they looked like they were
ten feet bigger than the Giants and the Jets those
first two weeks. But the Cardinals normalized them and they
and they made Dak let well, Dak looked like that,
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and they looked like a Cowboys team that we've seen
many times over the past six or seven years. So
if you had to ask me right now, boy, after
what the Dallas Cowboys did the first two weeks, but
getting the second week now to see are these three
games out of the Giants and Jets to go? Man,
their offense just are just terrible. Right, These teams have
played a total of twenty four quarters. Right, The Jets
and the Giants right to play twenty four quarters played
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four quarters in three games each, and the grand total
of good offensive quarters by both of these teams is
two The third and fourth quarter of the Giants played
against the Cardinals. Right, Okay, and the Cowboys couldn't get
up get it going against the Cardinals. Right, That's what
I mean. There's so much from this game that goes boy,
don't you know, don't sit here and just give me
all The Cowboys were flat there that No, maybe the
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two teams they played are just awful, right, maybe they're
just all we said the same thing, hey with Colorado
and tc boy, Colorado's big one over TCU. Yeah, well
it was the Winnow, TCU good after three weeks, look
back and go, well, TCU has won two games. But
I haven't really played anybody. We don't still don't know
how good TCU is. They were in the National Title
Game the year before, but are they any good?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Change over a lot? Like we talked about it at
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, you know, And that's how it goes, is that,
you know, maybe it takes a while look and see
how good teams are. But man, so far the Jets
and Giants three games offenses are abysmal.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, we keep going back to the change in the
NFL when you talk about the preseason, who plays, who
does and how much rep do you get. I mean,
that's been the excuse making for the Bengals all night.
Nineteen to nine, lead inside three minutes as we sit here.
But it's the Joe Burrow doesn't have the timing. It's like,
you know what, you could just say he's having a
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bad game. You don't have to bring up the fact
that he didn't get to practice a lot and whatever. Like, Okay,
the timing's off, that's fine. You give some credit to
what's being done on the field. But what's great for
the Cowboys coming up next? And this is one I
know you're gonna love. They play New England. Yeah, say
what you will. Mac Jones, whether he's hitting people below
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the belt, Yeah, I was worried.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sauce Gardner when I first saw that play, I'm like, oh,
now he pulled his groin and now Sauce Gardner got
hurt and he's gonna be out. I was actually glad
to see he only allegedly got got well, you could
see the hand move by mac Jones right right, and
now he throws okay, the side because that's better than
him pulling his ground.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But just to the point of against New England, say
what you will. The defense can come to play and
they're always going to be so can they punch them
in the mouth the same way in Dallas? I don't
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Speaker 1 (15:53):
We'll coming up next more on the Bengals and the Rams.
Two minutes left to go. Bengals trying to hold on,
but the Rams are and I will say something about
a much maligned player in the NFL that's not gonna
make sense. And then it's gonna make sense. Okay, that's
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Well a little too little and a little too late
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for the Rams, who are gonna lose to the Bengals
nineteen to sixteen. The Rams get a touchdown to too
at Well catches scoring pass from Matthew Stafford should have
been the second of the game. The on sidekick, Bengals
able to cover it up and now they will be
kneeling on the football for the final minute. Bengals are
gonna walk out of here with their first win of
the season. They'll improve to one and two. The Rams
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will drop to one and two. And there's one play
that's going to get a lot of attention off of
this game. And I mean and it. The reason I
get mad about this is because there's no consistency with replay,
both in the NFL and Major League Baseball. And you've
heard that before. I don't consistency. But but what gets
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me more than that is that sometimes there seems to
be a long protracted Hey, we're looking for every reason
to overturn this play than there is at other times, No,
this is clearly not this clearly reception where you know
the call stands or it's clearly off turn. But sometimes
they go and they look, we're gonna look so hard
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into this play and there's no rhyme or reason to it.
And and we're gonna look so hard into this play
and we're gonna overturn it. And that's what doesn't make sense,
because the rule for for replay is if there's clear evidence,
you overturn it. If not the call in the field stands.
It's always been that way, whatever iteration replay has had
in the NFL, it's been there. First quarter to two
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at Well catches a pass, he's skipping down the sideline,
he's gonna go out of bounds, makes a great leap
into the end zone for the touchdown, except he's ruled
out of bounds at the two because his foot comes
down right at the sideline. It's called a touchdown on
the field and all the replays that you can see
it is impossible. It is impossible to tell if his
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entire foot came down out of bounds because he comes
down on the balls of one of his foot, which
is a great body control a bit there by two
to at well, because he comes down on the balls
of his feet knowing, Hey, I don't know how close
I am to the out of bounds, but if I
come down with my whole foot, maybe I'm out of bounds.
But if not, I stay up in the air. And
he's able to come down one, you know, on the
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balls of his foot, and his foot goes down, but
you cannot tell if his foot touches out of bounds.
Can't tell. So he leaps into the end zone and
they call touchdown. But then they go back and look
at it and say no overrule, and the rams can't
get in the end zone, so they settle for a
field goal, which may you're talking about minus four points
for the Rams, which you don't know how the game
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would have gone. The game would have been a different game.
But I know this. In again, the Bengals won by three.
You're talking about the Rams having four more points. The
Rams would have had four more points in this game,
and I don't know why. And that's what that's my
big question is why do sometimes Hey, we will overturn
the most difficult of cases, and other times we won't,
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or we will we'll just let yep rubber stamp and
it moves on. But sometimes there's certain plays hight, No, no, no,
we're gonna look to see any moment right here to
see that yep, oh that looks like his foot outs,
So we're gonna overturn this and put the Rams on
the two yard line. I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, but it's the disclosure thing, right, whenever we get
these letters of apology and whatever else, like in this case,
you overturn a touchdown, Well, what did you see that
we didn't? Right, we've watched a replay on it. Is
there another angle that shows conclusively that is cleat as
his foots kind of a skew that that it touches
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the sideline we don't see pellets fly up. We don't
see any of that, you know, normal, Hey, that's pretty
easy to see. You see the white start flying. So
what's real? What's imagined?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We also have just bad officiating. Go back to that
Amari Cooper play where there's no chance at hell sideline.
So you know, we've we've got officiating issues all the time,
but particularly when you go to replay and you're suddenly
going to rule that as conclusive and reverse it. Like
the whole letter of the law is that if you
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still have a little bit of doubt, you're not guilty
or you're not overturning, right, and that and that's where
we're at here. And for the Rams, look, that was
the only drive that they looked competent until the final
drive where they got into clock management issues, much like
the Vikings and the Bengals were playing softer because they
have a ten point but you know, you get down
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inside the five. And also we're running the football and
not showing any level of urgency. High high Captain Kirk.
But we'll get to them soon enough. But yeah, in
this particular case, it's again one of those I want transparency.
And then did the call.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Whatever the call was, if they said he was out
of bound, the call in the field was out of
bounds because I couldn't tell him the replay. Oh hey yeah, no, no,
absolutely he was in bound. No, I couldn't tell if
his foot came down.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
But that's got to go into the broadcast booth on
Monday night football, Like, here's what they said happen. Here's
the still. Yeah, look, this shows conclusively his cleat's out
of bounds.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Whatever the call on the field was, that needed to
be the call in the game, right, It needed to
be the call in the game. And if they rule
him out of bounds, and they rule him out of bounds,
they rule it ruled him in bounds in bounds a touchdown, right,
you know it's a great run. It's it's a reverse.
He gets into the end zone and and for some reason, oh,
we're gonna look at this play extra hard. Why are
you looking at this play extra hard and find a
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way to reverse it when there clearly is no evidence
to reverse it. Is why I want, as you said,
I want transparency with the review process at all sport.
And what have we never gotten transparency? Have never gotten
transparency on the review problem, and I don't want to
get to you know, hey, I'm a conspiracy theory here.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I mean it was a big night, or I mean, look,
you're risking your season when he when he was declared
active for this one, right, yeah, elevate a practice squad guy,
all that stuff. But tell me, you know, going from
him to Jake Browning at Burrowham isn't a bigger deal.
And the fact that he's playing and played tonight and
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at times they were able to open it up a
little bit. The game plan early on was some Joe
Mixon and short passing attempts try to keep Aaron Donald
and company from jumping on top of him. But you're
just signing this new deal all this stuff, and in
game three year against the Rams, you're risking your franchise
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quarterbacks health against this. So yeah, normally I'm not a
script conspiracy whatever guy. But I could go down that
highway with you a little ways here before I jump
out of the car, kind of like the Hitcher or
things like that, where I realize things are going badly
for me. But certainly, you know, there was a lot
riding on this game for Cincinnati already had oh one two,
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having dropped two divisional games.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
We can't. Oh man, can we help them out of it?
They look so sweet in those white uniforms and the
white helmets. Can we help them out a little bit? Yeah,
let's rule them out of bounds here at the two.
I mean, I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
God was that? What lands to people being able to
write those columns? Of course, right, obviously you and I
are doing a tongue in cheek and having some fun
at it, but it's it's what gets people joking about
scripts to where you start getting critical mass believing, yeah,
it's all for show. They already know who's gonna play
in front of usher and this super Bowl in Vegas anyway.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
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live from the tiraq dot Com studios. Now, let's get
to the jets here for a second. Shame, come, let's
get to the jets here for seconds. I just want
to say this. There's emotion that we talked about last
hour with what I saw yesterday, and then there's this.
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Zach Wilson is terrible, right, The guy has had more
than enough chance to prove that he can get it
done in the NFL, and he can't. And what did
you see from him? What did you see yesterday? He's
still scared to throw the football downfield. I don't know
that the Jets com attempted more than four passes longer
than ten yards. Think about that for a second in
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an NFL game. I don't know that he threw the
ball four times more than ten yards in the air.
And that's something. He started the game by turtling and
going down for a sack when he was untouched, and
he ended the game by throwing the ball to the
line of scrimmage on fourth and ten. That's that. That
that's the bookend of Zach Wilson's day. Right, He's terrible
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and he is unfixable.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now, he almost converted a bit of a hail Mary
did that would have given you a w Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
No, it all of a sudden, Zack Zach if Randall
Cobb comes down, right, I know, but he doesn't. And
it and it's just, hey, it's one more twist of
the knife, right, I'm not just gonna stab you in
the gut and watch you bleed to death. I'm gonna
do with a serrated edge knife, and I'm gonna lift
it up at the end like John Wick and make
sure you just bleed out all the way through.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, Now the Jets need a new quarterback because it's
not all Zack Wilson's fault. That's what I'm good I
think about that. It's not all you need a new
quarterback because it's not all Zack Wilson's fault. Right now,
follow me on this. Zach Wilson's bad, but seeing him
play put into light problems that the Jets have that
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we didn't think they had prior to the season. Hey,
Rogers has his receivers. Hey, the offensive line got a
couple of Pro Bowlers. Every everything is fine. And what
have we seen without Aaron Rodgers The Jets wide receivers
outside of Garrett Wilson, they're all terrible. Nobody's open, right,
Nobody's open. It's not like there was. Zach Wilson missed
receivers open all the time. He missed Garrett Wilson open
up budget, which I don't know how you miss Garrett Wilson.
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He's the guy you look at first on every play.
But he missed a lot. He missed a lot of
Garrett Wilson being open. Did he miss a lot of
Allan Lazard being open? A lot of Randal Cobb being open?
But no, So the Jets have just pedestrian wide receivers
and they don't scare anybody. New England down three defensive backs,
three cornerbacks. Played the Jets straight up Manda Man all
day yesterday because they knew Zach wasn't good and the
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Jets wide receivers are bad. They dominated their offensive line.
The Jets tried to move people around because of injuries
and that didn't go well. We'll just get after him,
make him make a decision, which he's scared to do so,
and that gets into the point, is that, So a
quarterback covers that stuff up. Aaron Rodgers covers that stuff
up because he gets rid of the ball, he finds
the right receiver. He has a he has a bit
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of a he has a bit of a connection with
Lizard and with Cobb, and you know he has one
with Garrett Wilson after playing with them all summer. So
a quarterback covers up those things. Jack Wilson's not gonna
cover those things up. So reason one why they need
a new quarterback, he's not covering those things up. Secondly,
reason why they need a new quarterback is because this
a lot of this is on the Jets coaching staff.
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And this is what bothered me when they hired Robert Salo,
who was a great guy, great decision, but he's the
head coach of the defense, right that that's what he's
the head coach of the defense. And offensively, when you're
a quarterback and you come into the league and all
you're told for two years is don't screw up, don't
screw up, don't scratch, you get Zack Wilson saying I
just got to not make mistakes, bogging man. You didn't
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draft the guy number two overall to be someone to
hand the ball off and throw the right, don't screw,
don't screwch turn the ball over, don't throw it into traffic.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right. Your defense slash run game should be enough to
carry you. Drafted the wrong guy for that. You draft
you want to run an offense that is, you know,
twenty twenty three modern NFL, not like it's nineteen eighty five.
And that's Robert Solo, who is not an offensive coach.
And when you keep drilling that into your quarterback's head,
don't screw up, don't screw up, don't scrup Of course
you're gonna be afraid to throw the football downfield. He
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doesn't know what he sees on the field. I know
I don't want to make take the chance and throw
it downfield anymore. I don't know why they took that
strategy with Wilson, who is not that kind of quarterback.
He's a guy that let me get outside the pocket
and use my arm strength and throw off the wrong foot.
That's kind of what I do. What's the one drive
they had yesterday where you look good, where they kind
of went fast and then went down the field and
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scored a touchdown. Fourth corner was a great drive.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
This is a horrible job by the coach, by Robert Salo,
who has mismanaged Zach Wilson since he walked in that building.
And a Nathaniel Hackett, who I don't know what kind
of plays he's calling. I really, I really don't know
why we're throwing the football here, why we're doing this.
You know, Joe Namath was tweeting about the youth, tweeting
as much as I was about the game yesterday, saying
this seems organizational to me. Zach is making plays that
aren't instinctive to the quarterback position. And yeah, because he's
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being told, don't screw up, don't screw up, don't scrup
well when you're told, when all you're told is that
you're gonna get afraid, and Zach's afraid and he's unfixable.
The only thing I can say, Hey, you're playing the
Chiefs on Sunday. Now, they're gonna score fifty points. Let
him throw, just let him do his thing. We throw
six interceptions, he throws six interceptions. You're gonna lose anyway,
because the Chiefs are better than you are. So if
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you maybe you find something. Because he's still gonna be
the quarterback this week, even though he shouldn't be, he
still gonna be the quarter Let him throw the football.
Let him do is. Let him just throw the football
wherever the hell he wants to.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Throw the football. Maybe he can make a connection with
Taylor Swift. I'm gonna booth, but he slips out that way. It's,
you know, a home and home kind of thing going on. Okay,
but when we look at the your Jets, I mean
We joked about it last week, is why I was
gonna interject. I mean, what did the Chiefs just do
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dismantle the Bears? We joked about, hey, make that trade
Wilson for Fields had some compensation go through obviously nod
in a wink and a joke. But it's the same
thing in Chica, even though Eberflus and his presser today
it was glorious, were close close to what close to
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what coach? But with justin Fields, it's very much the
same thing. It's like, all right, you're gonna play this
way instead of the guy you were building towards, instead
of us grabbing what you do well and ascending to that. Right,
You're you're not gonna throw the ball to Garrett Wilson
if you're Zach Wilson in traffic, because a turnover is crushing, right.
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The one thing, don't put your defense in a bad position, right,
short fields, whatever else, and so you don't turn it
over and you're also still not run of the football.
Now when we get down to it organizationally, what's the
other thing in common your coach coach of the Bears,
defensive guys, right, and both with you know the guy
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that they didn't necessarily want Helming at that position. So
when we look at and going back and watching the
Jets Patriots, literally until that final drive, there was no
juice whatsoever. And then finally it's like, all right, you're
playing fast, you're not thinking, you're not going through those processes,
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and you get a touchdown drive out of it. So
all right, we got ourselves a game.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Unless we didn't. So just that he needs to be
replaced because it's not all his fault. And now you
understand exactly why.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
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Speaker 3 (31:44):
But you know, I hate to say I told you so.
We always think you so.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was a couple weeks ago, actually was three weeks ago.
We talked about Russell Wilson and the Broncos on the
show and what scared us about this team, and I
got the tweet from early September zero talk in the
off season about how good things would be with Sean
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Payton now running things in Denver. No talk about how
Wilson mastered the offense, No talk about how Sean Payton
is in sync with Russell Wilson. Mainly it's been all
growing pains and Sean Payton being upset and talking through
the media about other teams and other things going on.
We're not gonna wear hats, We're not gonna wear glasses,
We're not gonna do any of that. It's like it's
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like Sean Payton was trying to trying to communicate with
Russell Wilson through the media, and we said this could
get ugly fast. This is early part of September. And
then I remember last week we said, you know what,
Sean Payton's lost his fastball zho and two And we
didn't even get into the ridiculousness of calling a time
out against the end of the game against the Commanders
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when you're going to kick a field goal in the
final two minutes, which was ridiculous in week two. And
then you have this lack of effort on Sunday to
lose seventy to twenty because teams don't lose seventy to
twenty in the NFL we told you it was good,
could get ugly. Sean Payn's not in sync, There was
no good signs Now. I wonder, honestly, if Peyton's gonna
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make it through the entire season. This is his big comeback, right,
this is his big comeback, And you know he doesn't
want to leave because I'm not gonna leave a job
that's not finished. But you know this is something that
Russell Wilson the rest of his career is at stake,
and Sean Payton the rest of his career is. But
if this is bad and all of a sudden, this
team looks like they have checked out to Sean Payton
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make it through the whole season, how many how many
games do you have to lose? And especially when you
don't see an effort to think that, okay, it's not
that they're not rallying behind Russell Wilson, they're not rallying
behind what they're being put out there for. So I
wonder if he's gonna be like Urban Meyer where he
doesn't even make it to the end of the season.
That is an interesting angle to it. I wonder how
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consistently you get drummed I haven't done the advance scouting
on their schedule. I know we got the Bears, Broncos
or one of the that might actually be next in
this disaster of a season. But when we look at
the because I wasn't even thinking about it, yeah that's
October first, Denver goes Chicago and oh.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Then they play the Jets.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So back to back weeks, Buddy and the Chaos itsons.
You lose those two before a date with Kansas City. Yeah,
I mean all of Denver. I mean there's someone run
around with the fiddle as it burns because he's getting
short with reporters already. All right, he's starting to get
a little bit salty. They announced nobody getting fired yet,
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but the lack of effort, sure, they got absolutely run over.
And while you can't pin at all, and I saw
people really taking up for Russell Wilson. It's okay, it's
okay to recognize the guy's not great anymore and that
he's just a guy. It's okay. You know, you don't
have to defend him. He's not the Russell Wilson of
five years ago. And if you really want to keep
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that energy, go back and explain to me what happened
in his final year a Seattle while you're at it,
or last year. You can't blame it all on coaching.
When you've got a guy in his mid thirties that's
you know, been in everybody's mouths as one of the
greats of this era, you're supposed to be able to
bridge that gap. You got enough receivers, You've got talent.
Garrett Bowles reduced to tears at his locker. A seven
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years of the same damn stuff is what he's at.
So no quick fixes. Maybe an early out look at that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Doesn't seem Paul right. He's making a lot of money,
but get back those like this that changes everything changes.
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the Rams now seven and a half to go in
the fourth quarter. Evan McPherson good from fifty four yards
out give the Bengals a nineteen to nine lead over
the Rams. The Rams have not looked good. We've seen
a lot of balls at Matthew Stafford's thrown knocking be
bouncing off of player's hands, and he's so slow.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He just all the young quarterbacks he's slow to get
rid of the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They don't look in sync as much as you know,
he finds Atwell and Nakua. You know, these guys have
been fines this year so far. That just doesn't seem
like they're in sync yet. And the Bengals even playing
a C plus game right now on top nineteen to nine.
Although I will say this earlier in the game too
to Atwell caught a pass and he kind of tight
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roped it down the sidelines and got into the end
zone for a touchdown. However, was overturned. It was ruled
that he stepped out of bounds. I don't know that
he stepped out of bounds, but I don't think it
was conclusive, because yeah, but the fact if it wasn't
conclusive that he stepped out of bounds, it getting overruled
was a really big deal because at Well, you could
tell he catches the ball and he's got a couple
of steps, he's moving towards the sideline and he leaps
(01:52):
into the end zone. It was rule that he stepped
out of bounds at about the two yard line, but
you watch the replays, he doesn't come all the way
down with his foot. He just comes down with the
with the top part of his foot, you know, on
the balls of your feet, because probably he knows, hey,
if I come down with my entire foot, I might
come down out of bounds. You know, players do that.
And he had the body control of just come down
on the on the balls of his foot and leap
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into the end zone. I never saw the bottom of
his foot touch out of bounds. Now it's close now
seeing that play, that's one of those plays that screams out, Okay,
whatever the call is on the field, that's the call.
And yet to go and say you have you have
overwhelming evidence that he was that he was not in bounds.
That's not overwhelming. I don't understand how that was ruled
(02:35):
that way. I mean it the best thirty for thirty.
The best documentary you can have is I want a
documentary of what people are looking at. I want every
single I want every single people behind the scenes, person
behind the scenes, What are you looking at? How can
you say that this is this and this was a catch,
this wasn't well.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But is this where you have the the video capabilities
like you're an FBI agent, right, or the I'm an
agent or the security and surveillance room of the Montecito
from the show in Las Vegas where he could blow
things up with crystal clarity and see whether there was,
(03:15):
you know, part of his foot out of balance. To me,
I'm with you. I've watched it now and I've had
it on a loop here as we're talking just now, uh,
time and again, and I don't see how you you
rule that. I will say this though, anybody that played
McPherson in your fantasy league four out of five tonight,
including a fifty four yard or just now, to which
Steve de Sager was so excited he got his hands up.
(03:37):
So I don't know if he's got him in a
fantasy league. He was just calling it along with it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
If I told you, if I told you, what If
I told you Steve de Sager is in an all
kicker fantasy league, only draft kickers and you know it's
only kickers every week.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Is one of the most interesting man I've ever met.
Step Are you in that league?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are you in that all.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Kill I'm in one where we can only have Titans
and Bears. Oh wow, Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You want to add a Jenner to you while you're
at it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So my current game right now is fourteen to nine
in fantasy.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, the Bengals game tonight is outscoring I guess now.
Actually I did quite well this weekend, even with a
chain still on the bench.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh yeah, it's yeah, what's it now? It's chen well,
when you have fifty fantasy dolphins, Yeah, you get to
call yourself outside. You know what you get called?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I will say the kicker for the Bengals tonight,
he tried a his longest attempt very early, I think
it was the first drive this evening and missed that wide.
It looked like he had the distance. So if he
had made that, he would be what five for five
and that would include fifty six and fifty four and
fifty three yards. He's the bulk of the offense tonight.
(04:51):
Could you do a fantasy league where all you had
were kickers and punters? I once had a fantasy league.
It's just math, yes, yeah, okay, how would.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You How would you do it for? How would you
it for a punter?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That net not not gross? Average tackle on a punt
return is a bonus point.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's good, all right, kicker?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I mean how many would you would you play?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Would you have a kicker and a punter and a
flex spot.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I could be a kicker or this was the problem
with the Raiders last night because usually we fantasy football players,
you get extra points like these long field goals are
four and five points for Evan McPherson. Managers right that
own him on their fantasy team. That was the problem
with Josh McDaniel's last night. He kicked the field goal
against the Steelers, Yeah, to go down by five, thinking
(05:37):
just one more kick would do it. Let's just line
up really long and Carlson could do it for us.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Did he learn nothing from Lafloora and Aaron Rodgers and
you know a playoff game a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Speaking of a certain team that Rogers plays for or
maybe doesn't play for currently. I thought, after the last
couple of weeks, maybe all breaks, no gas.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's a new tea. Thank you, Steve happy
to help? Yeah, thank you, next second, not at all.
Uh So that's what's where we sit right now. Again.
McPherson having a big night nineteen to nine Bengals with
the leads seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Going into this week, Cowboys were the best team in
the NFL second All right, going well going into this week.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I argued going last week, Miami was a little boy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, but but at the time, the Cowboys were more
dominant than both sides of the football.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
After watching the Cowboys yesterday, and it was it was
awful watching the Cowboys because I'm watching Josh Dobbs lead
the team downfield where Zach Wilson could do nothing the
week before. I'm watching the defense pick off Dak Prescott
and and and force turnovers when the Jets defense just
couldn't do anything. And I know that there's a big
(06:55):
push all the Cowboys lose this game. And the general
consensus that you've seen from peoples so far over the
last twenty four hours was, ah, you know, Cowboys fat
cat syndrome. They were flat after the first two games
that had their opener against the Giants, which they really
wanted to win, their home opener against the Jets. They
came out and they did. They came out, they came
out on fire, they came out with purpose in both
of those games. But here they are, They're playing the Cardinals.
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Cardinals are the worst team in the NFL. They come
out flat and they lose. That's been the general consensus.
But let me throw something that's kind of a darker
side for the Dallas Cowboys. Let's tack right, because after
seeing this and seeing the way they played yesterday and
suddenly Dak looked like just an average quarterback, maybe the
Cowboys are just a little overrated, and maybe the Jets
and Giants both just stink. Okay, because think about this
(07:41):
for a second. What have we seen so far in
the three games both of those teams have played. Both
of their teams, their offenses are awful. Now, you don't
know what the Jets offense would look like with Aaron Rodgers,
but what we can say is what does the Jets
offense look like with Zach Wilson. It's terrible, and not
only has has that happened, but it's shown that there's
deficiencies were on the team because you watched yesterday and
(08:03):
the Jets receivers couldn't get open. So it's not it's
not all on Zach. It's it's Zach Wilson. It's the
Jets receivers couldn't get open. So now, okay, so outside
of Garrett Wilson, the Jets receivers aren't very good. Jets
offensive line not very good. Right, you watch the Patriots
being able to manhandle them. So the Jets offensively they stink,
all right. The Giants offensively they stink. They had two
(08:24):
quarters of good football against the Cardinals, it right, And
now you look at the Giants. What they're they're receiving
weapons not very good? Yeah, no, Saquon Barkley, No, okay,
you finally see them play and you had Okay, Well,
it's one thing to plan for a team in the
offseason and think we're deep in a position. But offensively,
the Jets and the Giants both stink. They both stink.
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And these are the two teams the Dallas Cowboys dominated.
They played against another team we thought stunk, but look
at that, and they wind up having all kinds of
trouble and they lose the Cardinals. So let's throw it
out there that maybe it's not the Cowboy being flat.
Maybe the Cowboys are the Cowboys, and both teams they
were able to work it up against are just really bad.
Because watching both these teams, the Jets and the Giants,
(09:08):
oh boy, they both look really bad. And this this
football season in New York looks like it's gonna be. Hey,
can I become a Bills fan for five minutes? Can
I moved to Western New York? Because both these teams stink?
Stink out loud.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
One of the things watching the Cardinals game, because remember
I got a double dose when they took away the
Bears Chiefs game to try to give me, you know,
the TV equivalent of a mercy keel. As a Bears
fan is watching that game, it was we're just punching
you in the mouth repeatedly. Right, the Cardinals went straight
(09:39):
at them, and then you had opportunities and Dobbs got
rid of the ball efficiently and cleanly. On the other side,
when you're playing from behind, because right the Cardinals jump
out and now you're playing from behind, it it changes
your whole offense, changes how you can play defense. Right,
you're not on your heels because you're from ahead. It's
(10:01):
a lot easier for Micah Parsons to tee off. Right.
Other than some random extraneous comments about what a player
he is and MVP conversation whatever else, there really wasn't
a lot of mention to Micah Parsons for much of
that game. Untelv's oh, he breaks through. Finally it's like, okay,
so you got to check the box as he finally
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got to Dobbs because he held the ball a little longer.
Otherwise they did a good job. James Connor is a
guy playing with heart, and it's one of those teams.
We talked about it a few years ago with Miami
and now Brian Flores and his NFL you know, world
and everything, but remember when they weren't very good, but
they played hard. And we see a team like that
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once or twice a year where there's a stretch of
time we're like, all right, they're not getting everything together,
but they're battling into the fourth quarter before they give
it away. And that was the Cardinals for the first
two weeks of this season, right, battling leads into the
fourth and you're like, they're not very good, but they're
hanging around and you're gonna get an effort. And here
you think you're gonna come in and walk over what
(11:03):
was eighty four percent of public bets and all sorts
of parlays and everything else were tied to this game
that they were just gonna walk over. And their whole
strategy was just all right, we're gonna punch you in
the mouth. We're gonna shorten this game. We're gonna have
these long, protracted drives. And to their credit, the defense
also came even with no Buddh Baker, right the most
(11:25):
celebrated guy on that side of the ball for them,
they still had a great game plan and kept McCarthy
guessing as a play caller, and Dak Prescott struggled terribly.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I am looking at the Cowboys with a different lens
than I did going into this week because they they
looked deer in headlights against the Cardinals, and maybe you're right,
maybe a little bit of it was they got punched
in the mouth and then had a team come in
and we're prepared. The Giants were flat and the Jets
were very scared.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like they came in.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We don't want Sak Wilson to throw the ball more
than three feet, right, we can't. You can't do that.
You can't abandon the run.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But you didn't. You didn't use bat. Dalvin Cooks.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
This Jets Giants thing is a complete and total, total
organizational failure.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's not just on the corner, but this is complete,
says like in terms of philosophy, right when you when
you look at what your Jets did a week ago,
they did nothing to try to save Zach Wilson. No,
it's it's it's it's sacrificed in their play calling.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And I'm gonna say something. A few minutes you're gonna go,
wait what, and it's gonna not gonna make sense, and
then it's gonna make sense. But for the Cowboys, it's okay. Yeah,
they came out and then they were really full of themselves,
and then they had this kind then they had this
kind of of of clunker.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And it's it's not that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
In watching this game yesterday and watching watching them play,
they looked much more normal, right that, like the Cardinals
able to normalize them, whereas they looked like they were
ten feet bigger than the Giants and the Jets those
first two weeks. But the Cardinals normalized them and they
and they made Dak let well, Dak looked like that,
(13:05):
and they looked like a Cowboys team that we've seen
many times over the past six or seven years. So
if you had to ask me right now, boy, after
what the Dallas Cowboys did the first two weeks, but
getting the second week now to see are these three
games out of the Giants and Jets to go? Man,
their offense just are just terrible. Right, These teams have
played a total of twenty four quarters. Right, The Jets
and the Giants right to play twenty four quarters played
(13:28):
four quarters in three games each, and the grand total
of good offensive quarters by both of these teams is
two The third and fourth quarter of the Giants played
against the Cardinals. Right, Okay, and the Cowboys couldn't get
up get it going against the Cardinals. Right, That's what
I mean. There's so much from this game that goes boy,
don't you know, don't sit here and just give me
all The Cowboys were flat there that No, maybe the
(13:50):
two teams they played are just awful, right, maybe they're
just all we said the same thing, hey with Colorado
and tc boy, Colorado's big one over TCU. Yeah, well
it was the Winnow, TCU good after three weeks, look
back and go, well, TCU has won two games. But
I haven't really played anybody. We don't still don't know
how good TCU is. They were in the National Title
Game the year before, but are they any good?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Change over a lot? Like we talked about it at
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, you know, And that's how it goes, is that,
you know, maybe it takes a while look and see
how good teams are. But man, so far the Jets
and Giants three games offenses are abysmal.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, we keep going back to the change in the
NFL when you talk about the preseason, who plays, who
does and how much rep do you get. I mean,
that's been the excuse making for the Bengals all night.
Nineteen to nine, lead inside three minutes as we sit here.
But it's the Joe Burrow doesn't have the timing. It's like,
you know what, you could just say he's having a
(14:43):
bad game. You don't have to bring up the fact
that he didn't get to practice a lot and whatever. Like, Okay,
the timing's off, that's fine. You give some credit to
what's being done on the field. But what's great for
the Cowboys coming up next? And this is one I
know you're gonna love. They play New England. Yeah, say
what you will. Mac Jones, whether he's hitting people below
(15:05):
the belt, Yeah, I was worried.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sauce Gardner when I first saw that play, I'm like, oh,
now he pulled his groin and now Sauce Gardner got
hurt and he's gonna be out. I was actually glad
to see he only allegedly got got well, you could
see the hand move by mac Jones right right, and
now he throws okay, the side because that's better than
him pulling his ground.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But just to the point of against New England, say
what you will. The defense can come to play and
they're always going to be so can they punch them
in the mouth the same way in Dallas? I don't
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We'll coming up next more on the Bengals and the Rams.
Two minutes left to go. Bengals trying to hold on,
but the Rams are and I will say something about
a much maligned player in the NFL that's not gonna
make sense. And then it's gonna make sense. Okay, that's
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Well a little too little and a little too late
(16:44):
for the Rams, who are gonna lose to the Bengals
nineteen to sixteen. The Rams get a touchdown to too
at Well catches scoring pass from Matthew Stafford should have
been the second of the game. The on sidekick, Bengals
able to cover it up and now they will be
kneeling on the football for the final minute. Bengals are
gonna walk out of here with their first win of
the season. They'll improve to one and two. The Rams
(17:06):
will drop to one and two. And there's one play
that's going to get a lot of attention off of
this game. And I mean and it. The reason I
get mad about this is because there's no consistency with replay,
both in the NFL and Major League Baseball. And you've
heard that before. I don't consistency. But but what gets
(17:27):
me more than that is that sometimes there seems to
be a long protracted Hey, we're looking for every reason
to overturn this play than there is at other times, No,
this is clearly not this clearly reception where you know
the call stands or it's clearly off turn. But sometimes
they go and they look, we're gonna look so hard
(17:49):
into this play and there's no rhyme or reason to it.
And and we're gonna look so hard into this play
and we're gonna overturn it. And that's what doesn't make sense,
because the rule for for replay is if there's clear evidence,
you overturn it. If not the call in the field stands.
It's always been that way, whatever iteration replay has had
in the NFL, it's been there. First quarter to two
(18:10):
at Well catches a pass, he's skipping down the sideline,
he's gonna go out of bounds, makes a great leap
into the end zone for the touchdown, except he's ruled
out of bounds at the two because his foot comes
down right at the sideline. It's called a touchdown on
the field and all the replays that you can see
it is impossible. It is impossible to tell if his
(18:33):
entire foot came down out of bounds because he comes
down on the balls of one of his foot, which
is a great body control a bit there by two
to at well, because he comes down on the balls
of his feet knowing, Hey, I don't know how close
I am to the out of bounds, but if I
come down with my whole foot, maybe I'm out of bounds.
But if not, I stay up in the air. And
he's able to come down one, you know, on the
(18:54):
balls of his foot, and his foot goes down, but
you cannot tell if his foot touches out of bounds.
Can't tell. So he leaps into the end zone and
they call touchdown. But then they go back and look
at it and say no overrule, and the rams can't
get in the end zone, so they settle for a
field goal, which may you're talking about minus four points
for the Rams, which you don't know how the game
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would have gone. The game would have been a different game.
But I know this. In again, the Bengals won by three.
You're talking about the Rams having four more points. The
Rams would have had four more points in this game,
and I don't know why. And that's what that's my
big question is why do sometimes Hey, we will overturn
the most difficult of cases, and other times we won't,
(19:34):
or we will we'll just let yep rubber stamp and
it moves on. But sometimes there's certain plays hight, No, no, no,
we're gonna look to see any moment right here to
see that yep, oh that looks like his foot outs,
So we're gonna overturn this and put the Rams on
the two yard line. I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, but it's the disclosure thing, right, whenever we get
these letters of apology and whatever else, like in this case,
you overturn a touchdown, Well, what did you see that
we didn't? Right, we've watched a replay on it. Is
there another angle that shows conclusively that is cleat as
his foots kind of a skew that that it touches
(20:10):
the sideline we don't see pellets fly up. We don't
see any of that, you know, normal, Hey, that's pretty
easy to see. You see the white start flying. So
what's real? What's imagined?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We also have just bad officiating. Go back to that
Amari Cooper play where there's no chance at hell sideline.
So you know, we've we've got officiating issues all the time,
but particularly when you go to replay and you're suddenly
going to rule that as conclusive and reverse it. Like
the whole letter of the law is that if you
(20:43):
still have a little bit of doubt, you're not guilty
or you're not overturning, right, and that and that's where
we're at here. And for the Rams, look, that was
the only drive that they looked competent until the final
drive where they got into clock management issues, much like
the Vikings and the Bengals were playing softer because they
have a ten point but you know, you get down
(21:04):
inside the five. And also we're running the football and
not showing any level of urgency. High high Captain Kirk.
But we'll get to them soon enough. But yeah, in
this particular case, it's again one of those I want transparency.
And then did the call.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Whatever the call was, if they said he was out
of bound, the call in the field was out of
bounds because I couldn't tell him the replay. Oh hey yeah, no, no,
absolutely he was in bound. No, I couldn't tell if
his foot came down.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
But that's got to go into the broadcast booth on
Monday night football, Like, here's what they said happen. Here's
the still. Yeah, look, this shows conclusively his cleat's out
of bounds.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Whatever the call on the field was, that needed to
be the call in the game, right, It needed to
be the call in the game. And if they rule
him out of bounds, and they rule him out of bounds,
they rule it ruled him in bounds in bounds a touchdown, right,
you know it's a great run. It's it's a reverse.
He gets into the end zone and and for some reason, oh,
we're gonna look at this play extra hard. Why are
you looking at this play extra hard and find a
(22:02):
way to reverse it when there clearly is no evidence
to reverse it. Is why I want, as you said,
I want transparency with the review process at all sport.
And what have we never gotten transparency? Have never gotten
transparency on the review problem, and I don't want to
get to you know, hey, I'm a conspiracy theory here.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I mean it was a big night, or I mean, look,
you're risking your season when he when he was declared
active for this one, right, yeah, elevate a practice squad guy,
all that stuff. But tell me, you know, going from
him to Jake Browning at Burrowham isn't a bigger deal.
And the fact that he's playing and played tonight and
(22:43):
at times they were able to open it up a
little bit. The game plan early on was some Joe
Mixon and short passing attempts try to keep Aaron Donald
and company from jumping on top of him. But you're
just signing this new deal all this stuff, and in
game three year against the Rams, you're risking your franchise
(23:04):
quarterbacks health against this. So yeah, normally I'm not a
script conspiracy whatever guy. But I could go down that
highway with you a little ways here before I jump
out of the car, kind of like the Hitcher or
things like that, where I realize things are going badly
for me. But certainly, you know, there was a lot
riding on this game for Cincinnati already had oh one two,
(23:27):
having dropped two divisional games.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
We can't. Oh man, can we help them out of it?
They look so sweet in those white uniforms and the
white helmets. Can we help them out a little bit? Yeah,
let's rule them out of bounds here at the two.
I mean, I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
God was that? What lands to people being able to
write those columns? Of course, right, obviously you and I
are doing a tongue in cheek and having some fun
at it, but it's it's what gets people joking about
scripts to where you start getting critical mass believing, yeah,
it's all for show. They already know who's gonna play
in front of usher and this super Bowl in Vegas anyway.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Twitter, and how about a fresca Mike get swollen down
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live from the tiraq dot Com studios. Now, let's get
to the jets here for a second. Shame, come, let's
get to the jets here for seconds. I just want
to say this. There's emotion that we talked about last
hour with what I saw yesterday, and then there's this.
(24:23):
Zach Wilson is terrible, right, The guy has had more
than enough chance to prove that he can get it
done in the NFL, and he can't. And what did
you see from him? What did you see yesterday? He's
still scared to throw the football downfield. I don't know
that the Jets com attempted more than four passes longer
than ten yards. Think about that for a second in
(24:44):
an NFL game. I don't know that he threw the
ball four times more than ten yards in the air.
And that's something. He started the game by turtling and
going down for a sack when he was untouched, and
he ended the game by throwing the ball to the
line of scrimmage on fourth and ten. That's that. That
that's the bookend of Zach Wilson's day. Right, He's terrible
(25:04):
and he is unfixable.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now, he almost converted a bit of a hail Mary
did that would have given you a w Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
No, it all of a sudden, Zack Zach if Randall
Cobb comes down, right, I know, but he doesn't. And
it and it's just, hey, it's one more twist of
the knife, right, I'm not just gonna stab you in
the gut and watch you bleed to death. I'm gonna
do with a serrated edge knife, and I'm gonna lift
it up at the end like John Wick and make
sure you just bleed out all the way through.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, Now the Jets need a new quarterback because it's
not all Zack Wilson's fault. That's what I'm good I
think about that. It's not all you need a new
quarterback because it's not all Zack Wilson's fault. Right now,
follow me on this. Zach Wilson's bad, but seeing him
play put into light problems that the Jets have that
(25:54):
we didn't think they had prior to the season. Hey,
Rogers has his receivers. Hey, the offensive line got a
couple of Pro Bowlers. Every everything is fine. And what
have we seen without Aaron Rodgers The Jets wide receivers
outside of Garrett Wilson, they're all terrible. Nobody's open, right,
Nobody's open. It's not like there was. Zach Wilson missed
receivers open all the time. He missed Garrett Wilson open
up budget, which I don't know how you miss Garrett Wilson.
(26:15):
He's the guy you look at first on every play.
But he missed a lot. He missed a lot of
Garrett Wilson being open. Did he miss a lot of
Allan Lazard being open? A lot of Randal Cobb being open?
But no, So the Jets have just pedestrian wide receivers
and they don't scare anybody. New England down three defensive backs,
three cornerbacks. Played the Jets straight up Manda Man all
day yesterday because they knew Zach wasn't good and the
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Jets wide receivers are bad. They dominated their offensive line.
The Jets tried to move people around because of injuries
and that didn't go well. We'll just get after him,
make him make a decision, which he's scared to do so,
and that gets into the point, is that, So a
quarterback covers that stuff up. Aaron Rodgers covers that stuff
up because he gets rid of the ball, he finds
the right receiver. He has a he has a bit
(26:58):
of a he has a bit of a connection with
Lizard and with Cobb, and you know he has one
with Garrett Wilson after playing with them all summer. So
a quarterback covers up those things. Jack Wilson's not gonna
cover those things up. So reason one why they need
a new quarterback, he's not covering those things up. Secondly,
reason why they need a new quarterback is because this
a lot of this is on the Jets coaching staff.
(27:20):
And this is what bothered me when they hired Robert Salo,
who was a great guy, great decision, but he's the
head coach of the defense, right that that's what he's
the head coach of the defense. And offensively, when you're
a quarterback and you come into the league and all
you're told for two years is don't screw up, don't
screw up, don't scratch, you get Zack Wilson saying I
just got to not make mistakes, bogging man. You didn't
(27:41):
draft the guy number two overall to be someone to
hand the ball off and throw the right, don't screw,
don't screwch turn the ball over, don't throw it into traffic.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right. Your defense slash run game should be enough to
carry you. Drafted the wrong guy for that. You draft
you want to run an offense that is, you know,
twenty twenty three modern NFL, not like it's nineteen eighty five.
And that's Robert Solo, who is not an offensive coach.
And when you keep drilling that into your quarterback's head,
don't screw up, don't screw up, don't scrup Of course
you're gonna be afraid to throw the football downfield. He
(28:10):
doesn't know what he sees on the field. I know
I don't want to make take the chance and throw
it downfield anymore. I don't know why they took that
strategy with Wilson, who is not that kind of quarterback.
He's a guy that let me get outside the pocket
and use my arm strength and throw off the wrong foot.
That's kind of what I do. What's the one drive
they had yesterday where you look good, where they kind
of went fast and then went down the field and
(28:30):
scored a touchdown. Fourth corner was a great drive.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
This is a horrible job by the coach, by Robert Salo,
who has mismanaged Zach Wilson since he walked in that building.
And a Nathaniel Hackett, who I don't know what kind
of plays he's calling. I really, I really don't know
why we're throwing the football here, why we're doing this.
You know, Joe Namath was tweeting about the youth, tweeting
as much as I was about the game yesterday, saying
this seems organizational to me. Zach is making plays that
aren't instinctive to the quarterback position. And yeah, because he's
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being told, don't screw up, don't screw up, don't scrup
well when you're told, when all you're told is that
you're gonna get afraid, and Zach's afraid and he's unfixable.
The only thing I can say, Hey, you're playing the
Chiefs on Sunday. Now, they're gonna score fifty points. Let
him throw, just let him do his thing. We throw
six interceptions, he throws six interceptions. You're gonna lose anyway,
because the Chiefs are better than you are. So if
(29:19):
you maybe you find something. Because he's still gonna be
the quarterback this week, even though he shouldn't be, he
still gonna be the quarter Let him throw the football.
Let him do is. Let him just throw the football
wherever the hell he wants to.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Throw the football. Maybe he can make a connection with
Taylor Swift. I'm gonna booth, but he slips out that way. It's,
you know, a home and home kind of thing going on. Okay,
but when we look at the your Jets, I mean
We joked about it last week, is why I was
gonna interject. I mean, what did the Chiefs just do
(29:48):
dismantle the Bears? We joked about, hey, make that trade
Wilson for Fields had some compensation go through obviously nod
in a wink and a joke. But it's the same
thing in Chica, even though Eberflus and his presser today
it was glorious, were close close to what close to
(30:09):
what coach? But with justin Fields, it's very much the
same thing. It's like, all right, you're gonna play this
way instead of the guy you were building towards, instead
of us grabbing what you do well and ascending to that. Right,
You're you're not gonna throw the ball to Garrett Wilson
if you're Zach Wilson in traffic, because a turnover is crushing, right.
(30:32):
The one thing, don't put your defense in a bad position, right,
short fields, whatever else, and so you don't turn it
over and you're also still not run of the football.
Now when we get down to it organizationally, what's the
other thing in common your coach coach of the Bears,
defensive guys, right, and both with you know the guy
(30:56):
that they didn't necessarily want Helming at that position. So
when we look at and going back and watching the
Jets Patriots, literally until that final drive, there was no
juice whatsoever. And then finally it's like, all right, you're
playing fast, you're not thinking, you're not going through those processes,
(31:17):
and you get a touchdown drive out of it. So
all right, we got ourselves a game.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Unless we didn't. So just that he needs to be
replaced because it's not all his fault. And now you
understand exactly why.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
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Speaker 1 (31:37):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon. We'll have big breakdowns of Monday Night football
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Speaker 3 (31:44):
But you know, I hate to say I told you so.
We always think you so.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was a couple weeks ago, actually was three weeks ago.
We talked about Russell Wilson and the Broncos on the
show and what scared us about this team, and I
got the tweet from early September zero talk in the
off season about how good things would be with Sean
(32:12):
Payton now running things in Denver. No talk about how
Wilson mastered the offense, No talk about how Sean Payton
is in sync with Russell Wilson. Mainly it's been all
growing pains and Sean Payton being upset and talking through
the media about other teams and other things going on.
We're not gonna wear hats, We're not gonna wear glasses,
We're not gonna do any of that. It's like it's
(32:33):
like Sean Payton was trying to trying to communicate with
Russell Wilson through the media, and we said this could
get ugly fast. This is early part of September. And
then I remember last week we said, you know what,
Sean Payton's lost his fastball zho and two And we
didn't even get into the ridiculousness of calling a time
out against the end of the game against the Commanders
(32:55):
when you're going to kick a field goal in the
final two minutes, which was ridiculous in week two. And
then you have this lack of effort on Sunday to
lose seventy to twenty because teams don't lose seventy to
twenty in the NFL we told you it was good,
could get ugly. Sean Payn's not in sync, There was
no good signs Now. I wonder, honestly, if Peyton's gonna
(33:16):
make it through the entire season. This is his big comeback, right,
this is his big comeback, And you know he doesn't
want to leave because I'm not gonna leave a job
that's not finished. But you know this is something that
Russell Wilson the rest of his career is at stake,
and Sean Payton the rest of his career is. But
if this is bad and all of a sudden, this
team looks like they have checked out to Sean Payton
(33:36):
make it through the whole season, how many how many
games do you have to lose? And especially when you
don't see an effort to think that, okay, it's not
that they're not rallying behind Russell Wilson, they're not rallying
behind what they're being put out there for. So I
wonder if he's gonna be like Urban Meyer where he
doesn't even make it to the end of the season.
That is an interesting angle to it. I wonder how
(33:57):
consistently you get drummed I haven't done the advance scouting
on their schedule. I know we got the Bears, Broncos
or one of the that might actually be next in
this disaster of a season. But when we look at
the because I wasn't even thinking about it, yeah that's
October first, Denver goes Chicago and oh.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Then they play the Jets.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So back to back weeks, Buddy and the Chaos itsons.
You lose those two before a date with Kansas City. Yeah,
I mean all of Denver. I mean there's someone run
around with the fiddle as it burns because he's getting
short with reporters already. All right, he's starting to get
a little bit salty. They announced nobody getting fired yet,
(34:40):
but the lack of effort, sure, they got absolutely run over.
And while you can't pin at all, and I saw
people really taking up for Russell Wilson. It's okay, it's
okay to recognize the guy's not great anymore and that
he's just a guy. It's okay. You know, you don't
have to defend him. He's not the Russell Wilson of
five years ago. And if you really want to keep
(35:03):
that energy, go back and explain to me what happened
in his final year a Seattle while you're at it,
or last year. You can't blame it all on coaching.
When you've got a guy in his mid thirties that's
you know, been in everybody's mouths as one of the
greats of this era, you're supposed to be able to
bridge that gap. You got enough receivers, You've got talent.
Garrett Bowles reduced to tears at his locker. A seven
(35:26):
years of the same damn stuff is what he's at.
So no quick fixes. Maybe an early out look at that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Doesn't seem Paul right. He's making a lot of money,
but get back those like this that changes everything changes.
I mean, urban Meyer came back to Fox. We got
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