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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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com The way tire buying should be. So tonight we
saw a couple of big blowouts.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah tranks a blowout.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Charles Bart was able to stay awake the heat get
blown out by the Celtic Celtics saying we're learning our lessons.
They move on to the Eastern Semis and the Mavericks
now a win away from the Western Semis as they
bludgeon the Clippers, who played without Kawhi Leonard tonight they
win one twenty three to ninety three. It's a three

(01:19):
two leader. The'm going back to Dallas, and I gotta
say it. I feel like this is not a hot
take coming into the game. He was banged up. I
think Luka Doncic was okay. I think was I think
he was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Think he was playing a little bit of possum there.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Think he was trying to spice it up a little
bit leg he's playing hurt. Come see Lucas struggle through
forty eight minutes of action. Joining us down the hotline
to break it all down. Oh yeah, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
NBA correspondent insider Mark Stein, He's on Twitter at the Steinline.
Mark was on the call tonight on lone Star in
nine to twenty five before the Dallas Mavericks win over
the Los Angeles Clippers. Market what time during the broadcast
if you start talking about what's next for the Lakers
and Lebron because it wasn't close once you got to
the middle of third quarter.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Wow, we were too busy waxing poetic about Moxie Kliba
draining five three about these defense First, Dallas Mavericks, who
you know I've I've lived in Dallas and been around
the team for more than a quarter century now, and
I have to say that it has not been often
that I've described them as defense first, but that's what

(02:32):
they've become. And this was It's been a series of
madness and that was an outcome. Just a crazy, a
crazy night here at the Crypt, and it might end
up being the Clippers last game ever in this building.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I mean, I'm watching this and seeing how things have
gone another another postseason where Kawhi Leonard can't plays in
and out of the lineup. He doesn't play tonight. This
was one of those games where I just go, I
wonder how much the Clippers are are have just just
hit wall with this and because they were not compelled
what's it halftime and moving on, like, they were not
competitive here at all.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah, and look, you're asking a lot to win a
series against another fifty win team without your best player.
And they were fantastic in Game one, in Game four.
I mean, the way they rolled up big leads in
those first two games they had to play without Kawhi
Leonard undeniably impressive. But yeah, I think you're right, you

(03:27):
are asking a lot to try to win four games
in a series without your number one guy. But you know,
tonight I also have to say, I mean, I think
the Mavericks defense really had a lot of impact there.
You know, they did not think Jason Kidd took a
lot of heat and criticism for the way they guarded

(03:47):
James Harden in the fourth quarter of Game four, But
they've basically stuck to their principles on how they want
to deal with Harden, and you know they ushered him
to a really uncomfortable evening.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
But as you as you said right quarter century, it's
all been about offense. What for backing it out now
that folks are really paying attention as we're in the
playffs Mark, you know what flipped the switch in terms
of getting guys to buy in and becoming a more
defensive oriented squad.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Well, I think the trades they made at the deadline
are a big part of that, to bring in Gaffer,
to bring in PJ. Washington. But just the way this
roster is constructing, you know, they don't have a clear
cut third score. Obviously, your offense, you're in pretty good shape.
You have Luka Dantis and Kyrie Irving. But again just
watch the way that Kyrie played tonight. Kyrie scored fourteen points,

(04:45):
but you still came away raving about his game. I mean,
he makes the strip I mean you see that how
hard he's playing against Harden, and just how hard he's
playing on defense in general strips. Harden takes it all
the way down, dribbling exhibition, Lefty layup, and you've got
Lebron James tweeting about it. So, I mean, I don't remember,

(05:07):
you know, has there ever been a fourteen point Kyrie
Irving game that merited or generated that kind of praise?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Mark. When it comes to your latest column on Substack,
you talk about the annual coaching carousel picking up some steam. Obviously,
all eyes are on what's next for Lebron and the
Lakers coaching wise. What are you hearing about Darvin Ham
What could happen the next few days?

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Well, look, I think both with the Lakers and the Suns,
you know, those teams are looking at it and weighing it,
and you know the pressure I think all these teams
in the West when any team that has exited in
the playing round, whether it's you know, the Warriors and

(05:52):
Kings or his first round losers in the West, Lakers
on whoever loses in this series. I mean just all
of these teams are going to look at everything and
there's going to be a lot of interest, frexed introspection
and pressure on all these teams on how they respond,
how they bounce back. But no question, you know.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
In terms of coaching, it is the Lakers and the
Sun specifically where it is not at all clear that
either Darvin Ham or Frank Vogel is going to get
the opportunity to come back next season.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
And I think both teams they want to step away
from the immediacy of it to a degree, But I
mean the pressure is on both Darvin Ham and Vogel,
and I think Darvin Ham acknowledged that when he was
at the podium after the Game five loss to Denver,
and just you know, when you hear a coach say

(06:48):
it's been a hell of a two years in the seat,
I'll tell you that. I think you can take that
as his kind of realization of the amount of pressure
he's facing.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Let's just say, if both teams want to move on,
is it crazy to think that, Hey, after a couple
of years, we let bygones be bygones it worked before
Frank Vogel could find his way back to coaching the Lakers,
or is that a closed door that could be it.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
I wouldn't expect that to be the direction that the
Lakers go, but it's still too early to say exactly
what type of coach they would be looking for if
they indeed made a change, So I wouldn't anticipate that
if that's the way it goes. But look, I want

(07:36):
to you know, especially in Vogel's case, I mean, you know,
to blame him for what's happened in Phoenix in year one,
you know, to me, is nonsensical. But the reality is,
when you look at the Sun's roster, they just don't
have a lot of optionality to make significant change on

(07:57):
in other parts of that organization because there's so hamstrung
by being a second eight for and luxury tax team,
and there's so little they can do to change the
roster that changing the coach might be the only option
they have to do something different and you know, shake
things up, so to speak. And that's you know, that's

(08:17):
that's a big part of coaching now in the NBA.
That's why the coaching salaries are what they are, because
you know, it's kind of based into the job that
you're going to take the fall when things go wrong.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
To that end.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
So let's bring it back to Los Angeles. Lebron James
obviously the player option. Who who's he bringing to the
rescue for next season?

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, look, the Lakers at least if you're going to
compare those two teams specifically, whereas the Suns, they're so
little they can do trade wise. I think the Lakers
made the right call to the trade deadline by not
you know, they had one first round pick they could
have moved at the deadline, they held on to it,
and obviously that didn't do anything for them in the show.

(09:01):
But in the long term, now they will have three
first round picks that they could possibly move. They have
a player in Austin Reeves who other teams do like
and do cover it. So the Lakers do have the
ability to make roster changes, much more ability than Phoenix does.
But look, it's just way too soon in the process

(09:22):
to know what direction they're going to go to. Talk
about Trey Young as a potential Lakers trade target that's
been circulating since the trade deadline passed in February. But
I think it's also fair to say the trade market
for the offseason it hasn't fully crystallized yet and playoff
results teams that lose early will impact that. And I think,

(09:43):
you know, as we get closer to the draft, it
will become more apparent what kind of trade targets might
emerge NBA.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Inside of Mark Stein, our guest the Jason Smith sch
And with Mike Harmon live from the tirec dot com studios.
All right, Mark, from tonight to tomorrow, obviously, all eyes
will be on Game six. So the Knicks and the Sixers,
both teams have won games they shouldn't have won. Both
teams have had the two Minute Report apologize to them.
What do you expect to see tomorrow night?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Well, the first thing I think everybody wants to see
is what kind of crowd we get after all about
you know, Knicks fans invading Phillies Building And we've seen
today that Sixers ownership has secured two thousand tickets on
their own to be able to redistribute to Fixers fans.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
But the first thing will be just what.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Kind of atmosphere is in there? But I mean, look,
there have been so many blowouts in these playoffs, so
many mismatches, and frankly, so many injuries all of us,
you know, all of you know, none of that is good.
So to see a couple of these series, you know,
like this one and this one, that Nick Philly series,

(10:51):
you know, it's good to get some level of drama
in round one. And I think, you know, the Knicks
obviously have two crack set it now to finish the
Sixers off. But you know, I don't think even with
Philadelphia's you know, it's been a long time since we've
seen the Sixers get passed round two, I don't think

(11:12):
the Knicks really want to bring this back for a
Game seven at their place, as raucous as we know
MSG can be. So let's see if the Sixers can
finish this thing off.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Marco asked a question from my Nick's loving friend over here,
scale of one to ten.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
How dirty is Joel Embiid?

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I mean,
I you know, if you're a Knicks fan, I'm sure
you're I'm sure you're you're straying well past five. But
well it's I'm actually curious to see, you know, with
you know, obviously Knicks fans. He's become this villain for
Knicks fans and he's on the back page and the

(11:53):
fans are chanting at him. But then, you know, after
the game last night and be talking about how much
he loves New York and how he's had a home
for five years. I am curious to see will that
result in any kind of saw from Nicks fans who
might wonder, maybe maybe we have a chance to get
this guy down the road. Maybe we shouldn't be so
maybe we shouldn't be so hard on him if he

(12:15):
might have some interest down the line in becoming a
future Nick.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Hey, wait a minute, we can get that Julius Randall
for Joel embiid train rolling again.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Wait we did that last year. Stop that.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
You can fall him on Twitter at the steinline that
has had the signline Mark Stein. Mark is always buddy,
appreciate your time. Congrats on the call tonight. We'll talk
to you next.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Week, guys.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Be good.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Thanks Mark. All right, there he is.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
He expects the Knis to close things out, close them out,
close them out.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think it's just being nice to you. You're gonna
go back.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
To Game seven, Let's go look I have already accepted
the fact that, hey, the Mets will probably lose tomorrow
and the Knicks will probably lose tomorrow. By thirty tomorrow,
I'm gonna bring you a stuffed Teddy Bear, and I'm
gonna tell you exactly where in your house to play,
and then I'm gonna be able to watch you live
he close caption television to watch you live and die

(13:06):
with every possession on Saturday. That's two ten years ago.
You need to put something else in the Teddy Bear.
Teddy Bears. People are gonna look right away. It's always
gonna be the Teddy Bear. Oh that's why I was
telling you the Teddy Bear. No, no, no, it's gonna
it'll be dressing Mets out fit and everything. You gotta say,
what a puny. It looks like Jim Fergosi. I'm gonna
put it on your dog's collar. They're gonna put it

(13:26):
on Benny's, but.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
He's running around.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I'm not gonna get the full experience in Benny doesn't
want they're not gonna play with that dog during that game, and.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
He doesn't want to be any more than three feet
from either Pammel.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You'd accidentally punk that dog like fifteen times during the game,
like Jack Blackett, Baxter and Deck get too close.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
I didn't mean it, Benny, I didn't mean it. I
love you. That was a terrible golf The dog Go exit.
How about a Fresco exit.

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Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's not even Cloe to that version of War Pigs
we were.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's better because you're playing this where I just had
to have here Harmon off his computer play a live
version of War Pigs for the last two minutes okay, well,
I love war Pigs, but it's one. It was one
of those versions where where Ozzie sang and then let
the crowd sing, and you know, it's like, oh he
wanted to burning now you sing. It was really really loud,

(16:28):
and you know what the best part about that song
the time you just played And what's that? You had
no idea? That wasn't dolorous. No, I knew it was.
I didn't know who it was, but I knew it
wasn't Delorus or Reardon. You didn't know that, no, of
course I didn't. That was the Cranberry's. That was not
the cranberry That was no, who was literally the Cranberry's thing.
That wasn't Delorus or rearding on it. It was it
was yeah, okay, she sounds good. All right, well wow

(16:50):
too soon? What wows? Listen to it right there? She
sounds good. Okay, okay, sure, sure, okay. If I listen
to your podcast tomorrow'm like, he sounds good, okay, good. Well,
well you're doing the show making me sound good. So
I mean that's the way thing. Thank you, thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That was that was Laura Reard. I didn't know that
was her. I thought it was very day Okay. I
thought it was like Mary Chapin thought he was going
back to his kid. Yeah, covers, I would have been
able to tell you Sarah McLachlan or something like that. Yes,
I remember.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
No, that's what I thought. You were getting into a
theme of like random.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Cars or live versions, all right, where we're waiting to
hip deep into this. Now that the the the punchline
should have been war pigs. It should have been war pigs.
It should have been No. The best part about that
was you thought that was dolorous?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Who was it? Then?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
That was the cover who was saying, oh, Delorius, that's
a royal otis. Royal otis. Yes, okay, TJ TJ royal
otis in the Kansas City royal otis with that singing TJ.
So there we go, So we.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Come all the way around from amos otis.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That was for me when I said at the beginning,
that wasn't dolorous a reared Yes, it was. Now we know, Okay, Jason,
why don't you make me being given out? Big Dodger
stories Spenham Walker Buehler pitching Monday Dirdude, first start since
June twenty twenty two. Dirto boy, they need him because

(18:14):
they ain't need pitching. Dir Dude, then they get him
back in the swing. I love that, dude tags Mike Nap.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, because we did see a commercial earlier with Oral
Hersheizer for a car dealership where he throws a golf ball.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm like, they may be calling him back down to
the mounds soon enough. You didn't say how I had
to give the Dodger news, but that's anyway. But that
way Walker Buehler, I thought it was kind of creative.
We'll be back in the majors his first game since
June of twenty twenty two. He will start for the
Dodgers on Monday Night. And I'll tell you what. As
as well as the Dodgers have played this year, I

(18:55):
don't want to say a little disappointing, but you expected
them with Otani all the changes, to be better than
twenty and twelve. Right, he's been Hey, we're twenty five
and five. You've lost a couple of games, but you
could tell and you already know that the Achilles heel,
if there is one, is the depth on the pitching staff,
because you don't know at the end of the year
what Yamamoto is gonna be Like he was great tonight,
He's been great so far, but what about innings for him? Right,

(19:18):
his first his first year in the United States. How
much is he gonna have left the end of the year. Yes,
Glass now has been great.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You want to think again, another guy with innings, but yeah,
another guy with innings, right, So you don't know what
it's gonna be. So getting Bueller backed and getting Kershaw
back at some point, this is what the Dodger're going
It's gonna be their achilles heel and what they have
to make sure they have taken care of in October.
But great story Walker Bueller, who is one of the
best postseason pitchers in all of baseball, one of the
more fun guys to watch you at that extra level

(19:45):
when it got to the postseason, I felt like he
was throwing one hundred and five miles an hour in
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Great to have him back, great story back. It's been
a long time, almost two full years that he hasn't
pitched in baseball.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, at least for a day.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
We move away from, you know, hitting with runners in
scoring position. Obviously they had a blowout victory tonight, so
nothing to worry about their conga line at times around
the bases. But and the pitching obviously did the job.
Yamamoto was fantastic. The only time he ever got in
trouble was when he had to duck the shards of
a bat that he broke night. So you're looking at

(20:17):
trying to eat innings. And the one thing we know
with the Dodgers is they do have the luxury if
they need to go out into the open market and
go find an arm via trade or some of the
guys that are still sitting on their couches to ramp
them up, they can do that. Very few teams had
that luxury to keep going deeper into the proverbial.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Pen, i e.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
The wallet to do that.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
But with all the injuries to the to the bullpen
that they've had, you know, you've got gratturol out indefinitely
and some of the other issues and guys taxiing back
and forth. Huge news for Dodger faithful tonight exit at
about a Fresco exit swelling down The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Carmon live from the Tirech
dot Com Studios. This this is a story that's been

(21:01):
gaining a lot of momentum in the past few days,
and really there is nobody in more need of my
public relations advice than Colorado head coach Deon Sanders the
last few days. He is just quite honest. He's embarrassed
himself with his behavior on social media towards one of
his former players. Now, there's been a big back and

(21:21):
forth since the athletic story that Xavier Smith was quoted
at at length former player at Colorado who transferred away
from Colorado now plays for an FCS school and talked
about how, hey, Deon Sanders, it was difficult because he
never tried to get to know me. He destroyed guy's
confidence and belief in themselves. Didn't have a great experience

(21:44):
with Deon Sanders. Okay, can I pause you there?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Sure? Why does this guy need to tell his tale? Now?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, Well, when you have what when you lose sixteen
players to the portal in the course of the past
month and are replacing a lot more than other teams,
that's a story I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Just saying from from from the player perspective, right, not
the athletic reporting on it, because it's certainly something we
talked about at length where Dion went at.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
The reporter said, well, who did we lose the backups? Whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
We'll get into that deeper in a second. But for
a guy who left, we didn't see eye to eye.
I didn't see a path forward. Thanks, called somebody else.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, when you're a kid and you go there and
you put your life into it and you don't feel
you were done right, Hey, guess what. Okay, you screwed
me by sending me out of town. Now that I
can see that, the that the barbarians are at the
gate looking for you, It's like Frankenstein, the barbarians at
the gate, you know, and then Frankenstein see him out there.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I read the blogs. I am.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm gonna make sure I get I get even with
my pound of flesh. Right, And it's an important story because, yes,
players who leave, they deserve a voice. Now, could it
be I didn't get a lot of playing time and
they have an axe to grind? Sure, But it's not
about that as much as it's about Dion and Shaudeur
Sanders response to this story. Because Xavier Smith tells us

(22:59):
to sorry, Okay, you know that's great. He said this
about Deon Sanders and then Shadur Sanders gets on social
media and said, oh, the bro had to be very
mid at best, insinuating he was an average player, didn't
really know who he was, and you had Dion Sanders
then get back on social media when this became a
back and forth between players that both played with with

(23:20):
u Xavier Smith and against Xavier Smith, and Dion gets involved,
old lord when somebody stats are shown, you know what,
this is such a bad look and it's so unnecessary
from Deon Sanders. And this is where we talked about
him not have I'm sure he doesn't have anybody that
can have a tell truth to power role where Hey, Dion,

(23:41):
maybe you should just stay away from social media. Maybe
you shouldn't attack the press when they ask you, hey,
you're you're missing a lot of guys, what's the deal there?
Instead of saying what are we missing? Backups? What do
I care?

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Like?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
You know, Dion is putting out the image right now
because you need to look at him from outside the program,
because Deon can say, hey, in the program, you know
in the program, no, but you you are beholden to
getting players from outside the program across the country who
want to come play for you. So yeah, it's a
big deal. How people outside your program see your program?
And what did I say a couple of weeks ago,

(24:13):
less style, more stability, because Colorado does not even look
like a school that has any kind of stability. What
are practices like do Dion's kids get to basically run things?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
You know that?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Now here's the sun coming back at me on social
media for this when the kids are with the guys saying, hey,
if you're going into the portal, hit us up. It
just it just seems like an absolute mess. And honestly,
right now, Dion looks like the coach who coaches in
club and travel sports because I want to coach my kid,

(24:43):
because I want my kid and my favorite kids and
my kids' friends to get all the opportunities they can get,
and then when they're done, I'm done. Like I feel
like he's a Colorado to get his kids as close
to he can and players like Travis Hunter, Right, I
want to get my kids as close as I can
to the NFL, and then I'm done, Like I would
not surprise be surprised if after his kids are done,
he just I'm leaving Colorado, right And maybe, but the

(25:07):
thing is the guy's gotta win if he's gonna even
stay to the end of Colorado. But that's kind of
what Dion looks like now, and it's important to see
it from outside because you're worried about getting players coming
to come play for you. And when they see instability,
when they see you bullying a kid on social media,
getting involved in something that you should be fifty thousand
miles away from, that's gonna hurt future recruiting. And you're

(25:27):
gonna have guys continuing to hit the portal and guess what,
You're not gonna get great players coming in. And I
don't know why he is beholden to pick fights all
the time and to be little kids and to make
a lot of them seem like they're less than important. Yes,
are the great players more important than the rest, of
course they are. But his coaches, you're coaching all of them.
And like I said, that's why the image of him

(25:49):
right now is that travel coach that the other parents
on the team talk about. He just cares about his
own kid, right His own kid is late for practice
all the time. Then there after run laugh, my kid's
late to practice. He has to run laps like that's
kind of the image I get of Dion. I care
about my kids, and the kids were really good, and
we're all together, and I have the people, I have
my enablers around me, which are the parents of these
kids and the people supporting me, and everybody else I

(26:10):
don't really care about. And you cannot be a successful
coach when that's the optic of who you are. Yeah,
you could be great and great dudes all around. Right
for Shador Sanders, we've seen some good stuff. We've seen
some creative stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
For Dion.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
You know, obviously history going all the way back to
Florida State, We've watched it for years, and I understand
the idea of hey, I'm changing the game, I'm going
to do things differently. But when folks ask questions and
their earnest questions, you know, explaining to me like I'm
a five year old, because that's what all that transfer
portal stuff was, right a couple of weeks ago, Like that's.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
All that was.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
It was like, all right, can you explain, you know,
in terms of the roster, what you're looking at whatever?
And then it became ability are you a practice?

Speaker 5 (26:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Amen?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know, they kind of dismiss it that way, It's like, Okay, well,
we'd love to see how this is progressing, but we're
not privy to that, so we have to ask you here.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
So let us in, Like.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
We're here to talk about your program, not necessarily to
say promote your program full on, but we're trying to
report on your program, so we need some information and
you're the conduit, So help us out instead of making
it a more difficult process.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
The backup thing. Guess what.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
You don't get through a full season without a lot
of backups playing a lot of very important snatchs. Oh
you mean out coach, right, especially especially look at that
offensive line a year ago. But four to fied a
little bit. You sure all five of those guys are
getting through. Hell, look what you did with your offensive coordinator.
You threw him out. He's a head coach now down
south here.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
But you just go through the entire process and the
optics of it, like I get it. Last year became
a lot of us against the world, and you saw
people that never cared about college football wanting to back
deon and the new way of doing things. That's fine,
that's fine to a degree, because now you got a

(27:58):
guy who, yeah, you want to be from other coaches
is going at players on Twitter and engaging with fans like,
I guess you're having fun to a degree, but you're
still supposed to be, you know, leader, a man coach.
And again I'm not in the locker room. Maybe they
all love them to a man unless they absolutely get
kicked out of the building and told to go away.
But from the outside looking in, you're looking like you're

(28:21):
setting yourself up for a disastrous run or a quick exit.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Again if the kid.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Once the kids are done and a hunter's done, it's like,
you know what babecism For me, it's changed in those
two years. You can see the speech already being made. Yeah, look, Dion. Look,
coaches come in and I can always tell the ones
you're gonna have trouble because they come in their first
press conference say well, first we're gonna reinvent the wheel,
and then.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
We're gonna build a better mouse trap.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
And it's like, okay, yes, I know you want to
put your stamp on the program, but there's certain universal
truths that come with running a successful college football program,
and no matter what you want to be, you are
still beholden to parents and kids that want to come
play for you. Because five star kids can go play anywhere.
They don't need to say, hey, I gotta go to Colorado.

(29:06):
They can go play at Alabama. They have choices and
no matter what. And this was true in nineteen seventy five,
nineteen fifty five, two thousand and five, is gonna be
true in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five parents
when they had when they're sending their kids to college,
whether it's for academics or for sports, right, whenever you're
gonna you want to go, there's three things that are universal.

(29:28):
They know, my kid is going somewhere where they can succeed.
My kid is gonna go somewhere where I have confidence
in the stability that they're going to enjoy themselves and
get everything they need to in the next four years.
And that they're gonna go somewhere where their experience is
not going to be one where they have to worry
about what's going on drama wise, or if the coach

(29:50):
likes them or not. Right, I mean, obviously not for academics,
but for going somewhere for college. Those those are things
that kids and parents that's never changed. I want to
go somewhere where I know I can play, where I
know I can I can do what I want to academically,
I know where I can go, where I feel like
the team is stable, the coach is going to be there.
I get what it's going to be. I can, I
can stand out, I can do good things. If I struggle,

(30:13):
I'm not going to get kicked out if I If
I struggle, the coach is not going to turn its
back on me. Kids all want that and parents all
want that, and Dean Sanders is failing at this. Like
if if you're a kid with choices, right, you got
to have blinders on right now. I want to go
play for Dion. It's like I want to go because
I want to get the clicks on social media. And
I get the relevancy thing with Dion when you when
when he gets criticized for hey, they're for clicks and

(30:35):
we're for other things. Well, you know what, like like
what what Oregon, what what he said about Landing said
about we're here here to win, they're there for clicks.
When you're a program like Colorado that's coming off a
one win season, yeah, clicks in relevancy help. It helps
you market your school and market yourself to players, and
for that is something that's very important. I'm not saying
that's not important, but in the end, when it comes

(30:57):
down to it, and and you have a lot of choices,
it's okay, I want to go someplace where I know
I'm going to a functional environment. And what says functional
about Colorado right now when this is what's happening. None
of it. So yeah, and said I'm gonna go to Oregon,
or I'm gonna go to Alabama, or I'm gonna go
to Michigan, Ohio State, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to
Syracuse because wow, fran Brown, I mean there's lots of
body goes to lots of places. Nobody goes to Syracuse.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Exit.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
How about a Fresco You'll say that we're in the
playoff this year? Just really, that's ten years just to know,
I haven't if we're lucky we go to a bowl game.
This is where we're going to the playoff. Pinstripe, bawl, baby,
let's go. I'm not to find out what's trending in
the wide world of sports. And Nick Cope, Nick, what
do you got for us?

Speaker 10 (31:38):
Well, I was just thinking about another quote that Dan
Lanning had and speaking about Colorado. This was when they
announced they were leaving the PAC twelve back in last August.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But I think still applies here today.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I'm trying to remember what they want to affect this conference.
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Do you remember them winning anything? I don't remember them
winning anything.

Speaker 10 (32:02):
As you said, Jason, substance over style, Nope, four and
eight last season, All right to the NBA playoffs. Couple
of blowouts. Tonight, Mavericks dominated. The Clippers won twenty three
to ninety three. They've got a three to two series lead.
Luka Doncicic a game high thirty five points. He also
had seven boards ten assists. It's the Clippers' worst playoff

(32:23):
loss in franchise history. Paul George and James hardenshot a
combined six for twenty five from the floor. Celtics clinch
their series against the Heat in five games. No drama
tonight in Boston, won eighteen to eighty four. Jalen Brown
and Derek White led with twenty five points apiece. Celtics
will face either the Cavs or the Magic in the

(32:43):
next round in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. The Oilers ended
the King season for a third straight year. They take
the series in five games with a four to three
win Tonight. They'll get the Predators or the Canucks next, but.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I hope they lose. Yeah, well.

Speaker 10 (33:02):
The Oilers, Uh well, this is the formula, right, win
first round and then lose next round.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah. They always beat the Kings and then they poop
their pants. By the way, NHL insider Justin Frosberg with
analysis you're not gonna get.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Justin No.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
One of the greatest analysis you'll ever get.

Speaker 10 (33:21):
I hadn't really listened to Connor McDavid before, but he
was doing the interview with SVP on Sports Center. I mean,
the guy was stiffer than a board.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Just more boring than Tim Duncan. Yeah. Yeah, but the guys,
what do you have one hundred and eighty points this year?
He's the best player in hocks. What does that mean?
He beat the Kings and they're gonna crap their pants?

Speaker 10 (33:39):
Okay, all right, time, we'll tell We'll check back in
next week with our NHL extra Justin Frostberg.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
He's not the best color guy in the business for nothing.
Everybody broadcasting is cool paying off their money. Stars got
the win over the Golden Knights.

Speaker 10 (33:54):
They lead the defending champs in this series three games
to two. It was a three to two final tonight
in Dallas Boxing News. Multiple reports ay Ryan Garcia failed
the doping test the day before and the day of
his upset win over Devin Haney. Garcia has ten days
to request his B sample be tested. Baseball Yankees shut

(34:14):
out the Orioles to zip now get interrupted? Was that
the B sample from the Bees last night is wow?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Exactly Like that's what I want to know if these
stories are mixed now yeah, okay, yeah, the b puns
have not stopped here more than twenty four hours later.
Leave it. You're right, dude has a baseball There's still
a lot of buzz about this story, trying to get
his one of one people want to get inside the
hive on this story. Said yeah, back to you guys,
thank you, thank you very much. My friend the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen coming up next.

(34:43):
Believe it or not, we could be on the cusp
of the next great evil empire in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Who is it?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
We'll tell you next Jason and Mike Fox. Not nobody
even knows they're playing. No one even watches the Cleveland
or Land series.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I make a deal with you, ty Shirt, right now,
I'll make a deal with you, all right, I'll take
the deal. You keep playing the song on the show. Deal,
But when the final season of Stranger Things premieres, it's
done and never played on the show again unless they
play this song in that season.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I need to.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
This is the deal. You get a big, front loaded deal.
It's a one sided deal. Keep playing the song and
they're gonna take a long time. I was gonna say,
you get another two years to play. I mean, he's
had a long time. But when season five premieres, that's.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
It, is it?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I don't know that guy's gonna be fifty years old.
David Harbor is going to be up on a walker
with the tennis balls, are Steve?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Steve is going to be forty by the time that's
ways and Steve, you actually have to work out an
equinox one time too?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Then it just isn't wear sure. Yeah, I can work
out there one time?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
All right, one time?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I guess fast, get I could do that.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'll go with you, so I know you did it. Okay, Hey,
and we're gonna do it next week. I'm wearing an
Equinox T shirt now you know workouts for power shirt's
gonna wear a McDonald's T shirt next week.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
We're gonna take a picture and put them up on
this Are we.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Gonna get him the Hamburger Burglar one that I was
gonna buy.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Are you gonna say, dude, what is mine?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Said the Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike
Carmen Live from the tirech dot Com. Okay, what is mine?
Setting your your shirt? No, your shirt's gonna be a
big wheel of cheese. That's gonna be yours. Could you

(36:36):
be okay, like if you were a T shirt with
a piece of cheese on it, with something out of
you or no answers?

Speaker 9 (36:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
All right, all right, you air away categorically against che
visual representation thereof. So look, with two blowouts in the
NBA tonight, Oh yeah, these games sucked? Ready mix get blown?
Yeah it was by thirty. It'll be not a lot
of interest in that, but you'll have pizza. I'm telling yeah,

(37:01):
that is true. We are gonna order pizza tomorrow. I'm
gonna get pizza.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Maybe we'll get to have your therapy session on air,
celebratory pizza or the Knicks are gonna lose and I'm
having pizza. So okay, because we'll come on air right
about the end of the first half. I think it's like, listen,
if you get fired, do you want them to bring
you a cake? I don't want cake. Now you're still
getting fired. At least you got you still want a cake, Mike,
And so it goes. For us, it's celebratory either way.

(37:27):
For him not so much. No, go to New York
go No. I mean it. The best part about is
that even if the Knicks losing seven and it's heartbreaking,
by the time we come on the air Monday, we
are onto all kinds of different stories.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Oh no, no Monday. Yeah, we'll have no no, no, no,
no play taps.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
No.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
How many times do you come out on Monday? And
got three days ago? We're still talking about.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Does you do it all the time? And you sound
just like that when I say that, I do.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Stores come from three days ago? Understand? Wow, that was
just defense. I'm calling hr. I think you were kind
of uh.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
You know that was.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But on right, I went I went off full Frankenstein's
monster in Young Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
All right, So.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Sports are always better when the Knicks loose. No stop,
the NBA needs the Knicks. They need the Knicks when
the Lakers out, other teams out and they need the
n Yeah, sorry, you got you gotta watch a game
on replay. Uh. It's always better when you get an
evil empire, and we haven't had one in the NBA
for a while because even though we got sick of

(38:38):
the Warriors, it's hard to hate Steph. It was hard
to hate what they did. They made so much excitement
come to the NBA. It was a new era. It
was almost like the Bulls, Like nobody really hated the
Bulls of the nineties, more like, wow, look at the
Bulls still win. There was not a big Bulls or
the evil empire. Everybody loved Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, but the Warriors tried to take credit for changing
the game and all that stuff, and then everybody realized
that that sucked because nobody knew how to shoot a
three point shot.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I'll tell you this whole place sucks, but except for them,
If the Nuggets win again this year, they could be
the next great Evil Empire team in the NBA because
they have an optic of being unlikable. They have this
air about them. They're into their own success. And when
you see Michael Malone talk the head coach, first of all,

(39:24):
he can be very petty. We saw it last year.
But it's it's I feel like the Nuggets carry this
this overall aura of we're a great team. Why don't
you celebrate us like you should? I don't understand why
is it? And then you know Jokic is as great
a superstar as he is. He's very quiet, doesn't do anything.
It's you know when you see him on on the
court and he looks kind of awkward, even though he

(39:46):
makes plays that you can't even imagine other players make.
He had a bounce pass on a fast break in
this series against the Lakers, Right, I just said that
is for a guy to make a pass like that.
His size up the court, like, look, Yokic is incredible,
but it's hard to throw your arms around them. Then
you got Yogic's brothers who they want to throw their
arms on other people. But with fists. Sure, I can

(40:07):
see the Nuggets being being the next great evil empire
where hey, I just don't want to see them win.
It's hard for me to keep seeing them win. Yeah,
but see that that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
They become the on board with them, the Tom Brady
and the Patriots, and yes, some folks really attach themselves
to deflate Gate.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Perhaps the dumbest controversy we've ever had in sports. All
you got is a fictional villain in that Jokic has
embraced his gruism despicable me for and he's taking their
dollars and wearing this scarf and whatever else and doing commercials.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Otherwise, they're just an amped up version of the Spurs.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
His menus were the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I did see that. Mean that was pretty good with
the bright yellow jerseys. It worked d loa d load.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Dominion with the goggles koreem Yeah, which guy was king
bi exit out about a Fresco exit swollen doll. Maybe
the Nuggets could be the next great evil empire in
the NBA.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Stupid, you've done with you, my Garmen, see you and
al I like to white

Speaker 1 (41:14):
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