February 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason and Mike debate if Josh Allen edging out AP All-Pro quarterback Lamar Jackson for NFL MVP was warranted. And Hall of Fame Voter Jason Cole joins the show immediately after the HOF announcement at NFL Honors. Listen to Cole explain that the biggest debate the committee had for the Hall of Fame was about Eli Manning.
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of minutes, But just to recap the big story that's
broken to the last hour, the two big NFL stories
which we're gonna have more on this coming up in
(01:01):
about twenty minutes. Eli Manning not selected the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Eric Allen gets in, Jared Allen gets in,
Steve Allen is voted in boy TV career he had
was fantastic. Sterling Sharp gets in and Antonio Gates get
in four only four get into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, and the big announcement moments ago that potentially
(01:22):
was ruined by CBS's Tracy Wolfson, Josh Allen is your
NFL MVP, winning over Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Saquon Barkley,
and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So you know what, which you think that's gonna make
him feel better.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
About the Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I wanted to stay.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I want to say, hey, you know what, here are
my MVP there, big guy.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But I didn't say Tyler Conklin. Come on. But look,
he was more valuable in a bunch of those games.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I told you, Josh Allen, just he had the he
had the two weeks where he accounted for a quarter
of his touchdowns, all.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right, I mean two weeks that they were great weeks.
They would count were a.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Big, high profile games, and I feel like voters saw
that game. It's okay, Well now I'm giving him the MVP.
I'm looking for a reason to give him the MVP,
because when you stack up the entire year, right supposed
to look at the entire year. Lamar Jackson out did
him everywhere. Everything that Josh Allen did, Lamar Jackson did
and did it a little bit better. Simoy Barkley had
(02:20):
had a year that we we rarely ever see running
back skeat right, like two thousand yard season for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
If he played the last week, he would.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Have broken Eric Dickerson's record, and it would have been
a lot as it would have been a lot of
debate whether he's the real record holder or not. I
think and I give Saquon Barkley a lot of credit
for going. You know what, I don't want that smoke.
I don't want people to say you didn't earn it,
you didn't play it. I don't want that to follow
me around. So I'm good to I'm good with what
I had. I mean, that's a that's an unbelieve that
that's a guy that carried the Eagles to a division
(02:50):
title when you had a quarterback supposed to be great
and just kind of sat back and you didn't have
great numbers from your receivers. You he carried that offense
all by himself.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But you have the argument from from many and maybe
I jump on board it a bit talking about the
greatness of that offensive line and how well that run
game has worked in the past, and again it's about
this year. So to my point of the expectations of
it all, we still thought the Eagles would be good,
did we not? Not that he'd get to two thousand yards?
(03:20):
What you thought he'd have a come in and have
a great year. That the offense, while it's not going
to be top flight because there's still a lot of
people that are not. Jalen hurts fans even going to
his second Super Bowl. Remember the last time we saw
him in the Super Bowl, he acquitted himself quite nicely.
That seems like a million years ago right now. But
for for the Eagles, we still expected wins. For the Ravens,
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you tried to do the hey, Josh Allen with his
ten touchdowns here Lamar Jackson. Five touchdowns against the Giants,
five touchdowns against the Buccaneers. So there's ten of his
touchdowns just if we want to at all.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because because this is two games back to back late
in the oh. Okay, this is because up till then
he hadn't had an unbelievable season. But he has these
two games back to back, and that's where voters said, oh,
this is what's swaying me towards him and not taking
the rest of the season into account.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You can pick a choose Gays go all this game.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
This could but if you want two games back to
back on national beating the Lions is a very big deal.
Is a big game. And so yeah, okay, after that,
I'm putting my ballot away.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Like he beat the hell out of the Giants a
four pack against the defenseless Cincinnati Bengals, Like I can
do that too. But yeah, towards the end of the season,
paying a little attention, right, jockeying for playoff position, jockeying
for seeding, all of those fun things that come to it.
And in the end, I again, it's a great metal stand.
(04:45):
It's nice to have you picked him before the season.
So I know you're defending your guy, you know, I know,
because you picked no forty touchdowns, cut his interceptions down
to six.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yes, six is greater than four. I get that, Lamar Jackson.
I had more touchdowns, he had less interceptions, he had
a higher quarterback and fort and he threw from more yards.
I mean, I he won the division. Josh Allen won
the division.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, what what do you supporting.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Cast and expectations? Jason, Okay, it all comes back to
how we do it. You could do your career achievement awards,
you like that, analogy that's shining. Cook had what sixteen
rushing touchdowns this year. I'm pretty sure he had a
pretty good support.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm not saying he had the one guy that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and okay, and Lamar Jackson, ha Derreck Henry So okay,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like I'm saying, like you could split, you're splitting hairs.
I'm not mad about it. In the end, I picked
the guy to win it. He wanted great, Uh could he?
Could you argue against him? Absolutely? Third, I'd have him third.
You can have him third all you want. I want third.
He's the guy talking away with the hard way I
have to vote to you get nothing. You just kept
talking about Garrett Wilson even in.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, that's on fun right because because that's now on tape,
because you're posteric, Because I want to tell you this,
it was it was me that actually voted in the
straw poll for Stephen A. Smith for a Democratic nomination
for president. UH In four years that was me that
voted for stephen A.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So I could do do we wanted? Do you like
to discussion? If I could do my impression of what
a debate would be like.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
We get into some interesting discussions my daughters and as
they get older.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
She actually asked me about him the other day.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh okay, I got that was a guy that used
to lose football debates to me and stop having me
on his show. You should have said, I can have
him call you, and I would have called and done
my stephen A.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, she's heard it before. Oh yeah, but would she
listen enough?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But when you but when you have a joke, it's
all it's always about not expecting it.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, if you're not expecting it will work out.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, But but it's still in the recesses of her mind.
Having heard some of those bits before. And I think
you've done the stephen A yelling at her on the
phone before. But yes, she brought up the because you know,
becoming more aware of the world around as a sixteen
year old and all the stuff. She even asked me today, Hey,
you know, what what do you think of the Kelsey
(06:54):
and Mahomes responses when asked about President Trump showing up
on Sunday. She goes, I have a lot of people
that are really mad. I go, well, she goes, You're
gonna call them dopes, aren't you? Like, well, perhaps Max is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Not gonna be my vice president. It's gonna be dan Orlovsky.
And I'll tell you one thing, you better be ready
for that debate as a vice president. Things of that nature,
like that day of.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Say stay.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I want to Grammy?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right, yeah, I think it did that act that want
to Grammy? That one best country album and one best
guy bet Beyonce. She's got to give it back.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I heard Kendrick Lamar is going to cover it on something.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're gonna open it with that, Like, what are the
betting odds that he opens with that?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So we'll have more NFL on the way.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We're gonna have Jason get Jason Colon, he's at the
NFL on her ceremony, pro Football Hall of Fame voter.
He can take us inside the whole decision Eli Manning
not a Hall of Fame, and how Josh Allen wins MVP.
But we got to tell you what's going on right
now at halftime of the Lakers and the Warriors, Uh,
we could just probably rack back the show from two
nights ago. And when I said, and we spent time
(08:12):
on I'm pretty sure the Lakers are ready for the
Luca Era to begin, I'm pretty sure they're excited.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Luca Donzig didn't play tonight. He did go to the
uh middle of the floor and wave to the fans.
Oh yeah, uh. And you're upset because who was it
that that flex the game out Saturday when they thought
Luca was gonna make his debut for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
The Lakers again, we're gonna put We're gonna Lakers on.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mark Stein, who talked to us last night, said that
Luca's gonna make his debut on Monday. So it's gonna
be post Super Bowl Monday. Guys already the delay his return. Dude,
how much are we going to talk about the Super
Bowl Monday night? If Luca's playing his first game of
the year Acre on Monday, Ye lucky if it makes
the show zero?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean really boy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Uh, we we'll get back into that forty eight forty
seven Super Bowl that was decided by Taylor Swift throwing
a two point conversion. But Luca tonight, his first three shots.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Have done just on principle, the concept makes me sad
that we're even having that discussion.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But okay, so.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
The Lakers and the Warriors are at halftime. It was
the other night when the hapless Clippers fell victim with
our own Monci Bolangos in attendance. Had to watch the
Clippers just get boat race from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You know what, the Mavericks were refunding money after getting
rid of Luca. Sure, Monzie should have gotten a check
from Balm or walking.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Out the door after watching that day. She got to
be on the wall. So it was okay, yeah, that's great, hey,
but you're on the wall. No, no money back on there.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
She has to get to simulate Cutt into Anthony Davis's
eyebrows anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So it was a boat racing of the Lakers and
the Clippers. But now tonight Lakers and Warriors. Right, okay,
what do we got? Well, still no Jimmy Butler for
the Warriors, and of course no Lukadancic for the Lakers.
But Lebron James, of course was still playing. What kind
of night is Lebron James having? Before I tell you anything,
listen to what he did at the end of the
(09:59):
first quarter.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
From the logo, heller it's right.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Put a little gold on each even Norm puls Oh Okay,
from the.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Logo says the three point king Steph Curry is in
the house. I'm gonna go ahead and get a few
off myself. A thirty four footer from Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
He's four for four from three point range.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
TNT on the column. That's where the producer gets into
the analyst's headphones and go shut up when Lebron's got
the ball at the end of the quarter, so we
can announce it. Okay, shut up, stop talking, so we
can announce that. You can talk all you want after
the quarter when we come back from commercial.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I guarantee you that's what happened. Garan, No, it's pretty good.
I do dig that. The first half for.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lebron twenty three points, eleven rebounds, five assists. He is
five out of six from three point range. The Lakers
lead the Warriors sixty nine forty nine. Steph Curry when
he sat down at the end of the second quarter
looked like when Ivan Drago sat down in like the
the eleventh round after Rocky going this guy just I
(11:11):
can't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He sat down and gave a big sigh, and I said, yeah,
he's given the Ivan Drago. He is like a piece
of iron, Like this is what Lebron is doing. The
last two nights have been all Lebron. Clearly Lebron knows,
hey still my team. For two more games before everybody
starts cheering for Luca.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Okay, five of fourteen, one of seven from three point
range for Steph Curry in the first half.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Here's the Lebron part of it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's the I'm gonna show you how great I am,
and I am gonna ball out from pillar to post,
and when it goes wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
If it goes wrong, it clearly isn't on me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, he's set it up now, Luca would be the
fall guy. You can't blame me because look how well
we're rolling right now.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
We're just cruising through teams. We're kicking ass. And look
how I got invigorated.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I am.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm hitting from the logo, I'm dominating, I'm doing the
ice in the bains. Yeah, but let me get let
me go. Your goes south.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
However, Lucas, however, one of those guys is going to
be a Laker and likely retire a Laker in about
I don't know, fifteen years, twelve years, whatever it is,
fifteen years, and that's not Lebron. James, Luka, Doncic is
the present and future of the Lakers. It's one thing
for Lebron to say, hey, we can blame Ad. Yeah,
(12:28):
I wanted to kind of seed the thing to a
d but Ad and Lebron knows, Hey, he's getting a
little bit older. He's thirty thirty one. How many more
years does he have? He has trouble staying on the floor. Hey,
he's okay with saying I can blame Ad because I'm
as much of the present and future as Ad is.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But Luca, now clearly this is good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
This is gonna outlast him, right, This is like Hamilton,
I want something that's gonna outlast me. This is going
to outlast Lebron with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
But if this goes really badly in this final stretch
of the second half into the playoffs, i e. Availability, cohesion,
whatever Lebron is, to my mind, part of it is showing, hey,
look I'm still at peak Lebron. Whatever that run is, right,
(13:13):
because we've had reports the last week or so leading
through all the trade speculation, one he joked about, hey,
I would have, you know, waved my no trade if
I didn't like this. Okay, cool, But there have been
some speculating that the end of next year is it
wherever he is in his you know, where he feels
physically whatever, that he's got one more run with Luca
(13:36):
and whatever they are able to assemble.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But to my point is, look at the level he's
playing at.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It's the all right, I'm really going to amp it
up because all eyes are on us. Right, We've won
the week and we're actually talking about on court basketball,
so like, stop the presses and we're not killing it.
We're supposed to tell you how terrible it is because
you went to the positive. Sixty nine point little Lebron
the Warriors suck.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What is the wow?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You gotta find the positive in some things, man, I mean,
oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
No, no, no, I have to go back to the
end of someone there and you can just pick a
flower and go, oh what a beautiful flower.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, you just killed it. You killed it by picking it.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So you're happy now that flowers that's gonna die because
you picked it?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Would I be wrong? You had to have it, put
it in your wife's hair, and you're dancing around the
brown eyed girl. They had to do that, right, That
flower's gonna die.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That is always what was one of my problems with
going to the flower shop and buying said flowers, like.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, they got two days.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's uh, especially here in California. If you're doing it
anywhere near the holiday. Okay, you're getting raked out of
the coals. Yeah, okay, I can buy a nice big
flat screen TV for the cost of a dozen rows.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh you're talking about the cost. You're talking about the cost. No,
not that the flowers already cut and they've been oh okay.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No no, But also I mean they're dead. Okay, Well,
I mean you eat meat, don't you. You have a
storm by meat, don't you. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Okay, all right, same thing. Okay, it's not even not
even close. One is sustaining me a flower. It's not sustaining.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You give flowers of the right person that can sustain you. Yeah,
that buys you about an hour, Yeah, maybe two.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You have to buy different flowers.
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Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Coming up next, storming out of the NFL Honors ceremony
to talk to US Pro Football Hall of Fame voter
Jason Cole. Why did Eli not get in? How did
Josh Allen win the MVP? That's next, Jason.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
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The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios. Big night
in the NFL Hall of Fame class at twenty twenty
five has been announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Sterling, Sharp
Antonio Gates, no Eli Manning. Meanwhile, Josh Allen wins NFL
(16:26):
MVP over Lamar Jackson in a really close vote. And
here's the interesting part that goes into what I said
about how sometimes the vote goes. It's a Lifetime Achievement Award.
They want, you know, we want to give Josh Allen
an award because we've already given it to Lamar Jackson twice.
Lamar Jackson was all Pro and Josh Allen wasn't sure.
Same voters, same voters for all Pro and Hall of
(16:48):
and MVP, and yet the vote changed so much that
Josh Allen beats Lamar Jackson. So wait, So Lamar Jackson's
all Pro, but he can't be MVP. So tell me
there wasn't some sort of I want to give Josh
Allen the MVP. Tell me there wasn't a little bit
about that.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, I mean it's not a you know, a life
life Lifetime original movie in this. I mean maybe one
his stats. The other is, uh, you know, looking at
it from some other prism.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Let's find out what prism that could be.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Because joining us now is a guy who busted out
of the NFL honor ceremony to talk to us here
on the show. He is, Hey, Pro Football Hall of
Fame voter. We'll get to the Hall of Fame in
a minute. It is thirty thirteen NFL analyst insider Jason Cale.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
What's happening buddy.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Life is beautiful, buy beautiful. All right, So you're at
the Eli Manning haters, what you think this is going
to be. That's what I'm sure you're that's you just
keep this up as like we're going to get the
leader of the anti Manning group.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Well he's not a cowboy though, J Cole. So I mean,
you know that's not part of the ultimate.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
V It is not part of the Yeah, okay, so
the other night, let's start with this.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Then this is where you want to start. We'll get to
the MVP in a minute.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Eli, I just you know, I don't have an MVP back.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No, I don't. I'm still gonna blame you.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
That's okay, that's fine. Okay, we know the ground rules
coming in.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Hall of Fame votes did not go Eli Manning's way.
You told us the other night. It was the biggest
debate about Eli Manning and his Pro Football Hall of
Fame candidacy.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Did this come down to Eli Manning's a Hall of Famer,
But boy, some people just didn't want to put him
in on the first ballot. I will vote for him
next year, but you know the other guys are first
ballot Hall of Famers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They deserve it a lot more.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I wouldn't necessarily say that. I think there are I
think that there's that's the middle ground. He'll probably get
in at some point, and I think there's some who
don't think he's a Hall of Famer at all. So
I don't know how many there are out there, But
(19:06):
like you get forty nine people, you get forty nine
different attendance. I will say that in my own research,
when I surveyed four hundred and sixteen people played in
the NFL for you know, ten fifteen years coach in
the NFL or executives in the NFL, I mean twenty
six of those were Hall of famers. Elle finished, Manning
(19:29):
finished fourth on that ballot with less than like forty
four percent of the support. So this was not a
great like, this is not a great group. Like Antonio
Gates was first to sixty eight percent, He was easily
the number one candidate, and then you got to like
Vinatieri and Kikley, and then it dropped down to Eli.
(19:51):
When you're a first ballot guy, first ballot guy who
gets sixty percent minimum if not, he was seventy five
eighty ninety percent. Eli Manning is not his brother, not
by a long stretch of the imagination. You just say
his name, sit down, and the discussions over Eli's especially
when you put him up and neck up against other
(20:14):
quarterbacks of the same era playing under the same rules,
you know, he lags behind a lot. I mean, there's
no MVP votes in there anywhere. There's like three, you know,
or four Pro Bowl appearances. There's I don't know if
there's a single All Pro in there, so I mean
there's some magical moments.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's two game drives and two times beating Tom Brady.
That's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, it is a pretty big deal, and it may
get him in the Hall of Fame. But some guys
have to wait, and that's okay. You know, Like I
don't understand the like there are other guys on this
ballot who I think were better players then than Eli
Manning who didn't get in, like Luke Keckley, better player
(21:05):
than Eli Manning. Marshall Gander's resume screamed Hall of Fame.
But you guys think don't want to talk about those
guys because you know they're linebackers and offensive blindman.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I I go back to this Ja Cole.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When I think about it, to to make it not
to get too wrapped up in stuff, is that you
can't tell the story of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Without Eli manning it. Without Eli Antonio Gates. You can
tell this some of.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Those other guys I've never Yeah, I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We tell Maybe I should have been in that room.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, maybe you should have. Let's get a vote. Go
work at it, Go work at it.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I can't. I.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Hey, I didn't vote for each root for the Baseball
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I'm gonna come in here and screw this one up.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Too, exactly. No, I mean, I get your point. And
I'm not saying that he's not a Hall of Famer.
I'm not in that camp. But I'm also not in
the camp where it's like, oh, you know he did
this and these Super Bowls and you know, just put
a man automatically. I just as I have said, I
(22:18):
said this many many times about Eli. Eli held up
his end of the bargain in New York. The two
super Bowls, the performances in the playoffs, everything he did
are just exemplary work. Absolutely, But there's a lot of
his career where he played on a Sunday like he
(22:38):
had just woken up from a megakegger at the frat
house the night before, and like it could be great.
It could be five touchdowns and it could also be
five interceptions. You know, there's a lot of years in
there that it's like, it's just not spectacular. And when
you put it up against like Drew Brees and Aaron
(22:58):
Rodgers and Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and a lot
of other guys, the consistency of level plays not there.
And I think that that's representative of how the room felt.
I'm not the only guy voted, and I vote for
him this year because I thought there were better guys
(23:19):
on the ballot. But I think he's going to get in.
I mean, Bob Grief, he had to wait for five
or six years and he went back to back Super
Bowls and you went to three straight. Yeah, it's a
different era. I get it. But yeah, I get I
understand the history and all that other argument, it just
doesn't quite measure up on totality.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Longtime friend of the show joining us again live coming
out of the NFL Honors as our guy, Jason Cole
had Jason Cole sixty two writes thirty third Team get
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your kid's not that special. Archie having that converse with
Eli right now, I.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Am, I am. I'm actually leaving that discussion.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You're going to lead that discussion tonight.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And then the John L. Way book that we've talked about.
I actually have just mailed a Jack L. Waycard that
I found in my collection to Jason Coles for busterity
and as a bookmark.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All right, so four guys get in Eric.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Allen nineteen years Sterling Sharp the Senior Committee, Why did
how did we not get to five guys?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And you know, content.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
A lot of people don't A lot of people don't understand.
They changed the voting procedures this year. So it used
to be that you got fifteen guys on the ballot.
You went from fifteen to ten, and then you went
from ten to five, and then it was simply a
thumbs up or thumbs down on the last five guys,
who usually essentially became a rubber stamp. What they did
this year because there were complaints from some of the
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guys in the Hall of Fame that they were putting
too many guys in the Hall of Fame. They essentially said,
you know, and complaints about the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Was there too many fights because they weren't getting the
same dollars for inscriptions, because too many guys were getting.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, your boy Eric Dickerson was leaving that fight. No,
it's there were complaints you know by some of the
guys who you know, we were in the Hall of Fame,
said the honor wasn't as special, and so they wanted
to make it harder to get in. So once you
get to seven, we had a final vote and you
(25:36):
could vote for up to five guys to get in.
That person, whoever was, had to get eighty percent of
the vote. So if you do some simple math and
you split up the votes a little bit, it's really
hard to get more than three guys. They've made it really,
(25:57):
really hard. And I didn't think the problem was with
the modern year guys. I thought the problem was with
the Senior Committee guys who had all all had twenty
years to get in. That was my personal opinion, and
only one of those guys got in this year. That
was Sterling Sharp out of five guys. And it was
even harder on the five because out of the five,
(26:18):
is Can only went for three. So like Mike Homrand
didn't make it this year, and I think this was
like Mike Homegrand like that, Like to me, that was easy.
That should have been like a no brainer, like especially
when you consider like Coward just got in a few
years ago. I mean, Hongan, you know, lapse cour in
(26:40):
terms of impact on the league and Ya and just
everything that he did. And I mean it's just kind
of silly in my viewpoint. But that's when you put
in these new rules. That's what happened. And I don't
think that they've sort of beta tested these new rules
to find out how it was going to come out,
and this is you know, this is the result. I'll
(27:01):
say this. We looked at the Hall of Fame selling
tickets on those four guys, so.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That ceremony packer fans all over the place.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And before we get to MVP, I just want to
point out that you said, look, Eli's not Peyton, he
doesn't get in the Hall of Fame, Sterling's not Shinn
and then he got in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So maybe a quick a goal both ways for you there,
Ja Cole.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, he waited twenty six years to get there. That's fine,
and next year's.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
An okay, Okay, in twenty six years, if Eli Manning
is not in the Hall of Fame, okay right now,
he didn't get in tonight, So stop your crying, and man,
I mean seriously, Like you know, I love Elie Manning.
I think he's a great player, and he.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
May have his moments a very good player. You think
he's a very good player like that?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yes, I do think he's a very good player. I
also think he's a great player. Keep at it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
All right, Well let's go here now, because I know
you didn't vote. Well, you're very defensive. I think maybe
you think you made the wrong choice. I think maybe
that's what's happening.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
To you here. Choice all now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Take us, take us behind this, because this is becoming
a thing now. Lamar Jackson is the gets all Pro,
same voters for all Pro, same voters for MVP. First
time since twenty twelve. The All Pro quarterback doesn't win,
doesn't win the MVP. Do how do people change their
votes from all pro? Enough people from all pro to MVP.
(28:38):
I feel like there's a lot of guys that simply
wanted to give Josh Allen the MVP, so they did.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I guess, Yeah, hard hitting there it is. I guess Okay,
I mean, well, I told you I don't vote for
that award, right, and I didn't talk to anybody about
that award.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And it's still your fault. You're on with us now.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Exactly we blame you. I don't. I don't have a book.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But if but if you did have a boat combination of.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Justice, what has happened to march at what you've done?
I don't. I don't. I don't have a vote, But
you have part of this.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
You're part of the machine.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
I don't. I don't. I don't have the boat. Literally don't.
I don't have a vote. Okay, you think I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But if you had to choose, if you had to choose, if.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I if you had to choose what you've done this Obamas,
we know you would have done it. We need you
on that wall. I mean, I'm dropping in the nickel. Yeah,
I don't get it either. It's not really logical to me.
But I will say, at the end of the day,
I thought this is as close an MVP race as
(29:59):
I've ever seen. Like when Peyton and McNair tied. This
is pretty close, so maybe this is the way of
settling it. I don't really buy that. I thought at
the end of the day, if I had to vote,
I would have voted for Lamar Jackson. But man, that
would have been really hard because I thought that Josh
Allen had probably done more with less and had improved
(30:24):
in all the significant ways. So I might have ended
up voting for Josh Allen too. But I'll say this,
if I had voted for one for MVP, I probably
would have voted for him for first Team All Pro. Yeah, Like,
I think that that would have been consistent. So yeah,
I agree with you on that one. You win that argument.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He is a profession Hall of Fame voter. He is
also a voter for MVP in the NFL. He's a
Hall of Fame voter for Major League Baseball. He votes
for All Pro in the NFL as well.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I'm the guy who voted against you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I guy any votes for the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's Chase and Cole. Jake Cole is always by. Thanks
for hopping out. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
We'll talk to you. Enjoy the game this week. Say you, buddy.
There goes Jay Cole.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, that's a thing to get into now, is how
Josh Allen wins when people have changed their votes? Apparently
right now, we'll talk to someone who has been compared
to an All Pro MVP voter. One week she thinks
one thing, another week she thinks another. The information change,
it's monzi blago, what's s trending facts?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yes, I changed my mind a lot about things. I
am changing my mind right now about the Clippers, if
I'm being honest, because the Pacers outscored them in the second.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Quarter forty two to nineteen.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Pacers, I know, are up now on the Clippers at
halftime sixty four to sixty one. The Kings are beating
the Trailblazers seventy one sixty seven with five minutes to
go in.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The third, and the Warriors are.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Outscoring the Lakers in the third quarter as well, not
as bad as the Clippers and the Pacers, but the
Warriors scored twenty three late just ten. Lakers are still
up seventy nine to seventy two about five minutes to
go in the third. Lebron James twenty nine points and
fifteen rebounds, Anthony Edwards yesterday had forty nine points. Today
he had forty one points and the Timberwolves defeated the Rockets,
won twenty seven to one fourteen. Another triple double day
(32:17):
for Nicola Jokic twenty eight points, ten rebounds, twelve assists
as the Nuggets defeated the Magic one twelve to ninety
and the Mavericks took down the Celtics in Boston, won
twenty seven to one twenty. No Anthony Davis yet for Dallas,
but they're hopeful that he's going to be able to
start on Saturday at home against Houston.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
In case you missed some of the trades that happened today,
just give you a few of the big ones. As
the NBA trade deadline was at three eastern, the Hawks
traded forward DeAndre Hunter to the Calves. The Clippers traded
Terrence Mann and Boems Highland to the Hawks for Bogdan Bargdanovich.
They're also sending Kevin Porter to the Bucks. Dennis Shrewder
is now headed to the Pistons. This was part of
that Jimmy Butler trade that happened yesterday that with the
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Golden State Warriors and Utah. Well, he's headed to the
and apparently they're going to keep him on the roster.
The Nets are working on a buyout with Ben Simmons,
and ESPN reports that the Clippers and the Calves are
possible landing spots. Lastly, here sho Hey Atani's former interpreter,
i Bet Misuhara was sentenced to fifty seven months in
prison order to pay seventeen million in restitution to Otani
(33:20):
and one point one million to the I R S.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Obviously, and we need one point seven We need our.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Cutt exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
We're not waiting fifty seven months. We need that a
little bit. So we need it right now. Yes, until
until you pay. Just blame everything on you pay at
this point. Yeah, that's all. That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
It, Ranks a bunch of mons, Yes, Jason Smith Mike
Harmon live from the TIREC dot Com Studios. Coming up next,
we get deeper into this big developing story how Josh
Allen somehow wins MVP when voters did not vote for
him for First Team All Pro Quarterback? Wait what yeah,
same voters votes.
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Josh Allen is your NFL MVP and one of the
closest votes we have ever seen. Twenty seven first places votes,
(35:29):
twenty three for Lamar Jackson. Allen wins it three hundred
and eighty three points to three hundred and sixty two points.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Earlier in the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Show, right when it was announced, I said, I feel
like a lot of voters just wanted to give it
to Josh Allen because Lamar Jackson out everything to him.
Everything that Josh Allen did, Lamar Jackson did a little
bit more of, and that sometimes it gets to a
point where, hey, we want to reward him for the
career he is having, so we can give him the
MVP this year. I was just making it up because
(36:01):
what we found out as this vote goes with this total,
there's a little bit of an inconsistency because it's the
exact same people who vote for All Pro end for MVP.
Of course, Lamar Jackson was your All Pro quarterback, which
is the best player at their position throughout the NFL.
(36:21):
So Lamar Jackson wins the vote at all Pro, yet
somehow he's not the MVP. That's not right because some
people change their votes from Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen
for whatever reason, and it doesn't make sense other than
I just want to give the MVP to Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I'd be curious to you know, if you had more
than one guy to vote for otherwise, right, categorically right,
If you sleep on it, is there someone at another
position where you might end up getting to the same conclusion.
I'm like, you know what I thought about it a
little bit more, and I like this running back that
I voted all pro a little less three days later.
(37:01):
I would have changed three days ago. Can I change
that voto? But you mean you sleep on it? Maybe
you hear another argument, Maybe you haven't, you know, a
drunken discussion, you had some cocktails, you had a cocktails.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I don't know, you had a whole year to look
at the guys and decide who you're voting for him to.
Some people just wanted to give Josh Allen the MVP.
Lamar Jackson already had two We should give one to
Josh Allen, because there's no way the math doesn't math
where you're where you can say he can somehow get
more vote. Lamar Jackson's not getting first team All Pro
(37:34):
about more votes first place votes than Josh Allen. Josh
Allen flips it with more first place votes than Lamar
jacks And I think to punctuate your point and to
support it in this, you know, trying to go one
and compare apples to apples, there's there's a lot of
folks that flipped. Right, This isn't a This was a
really close vote for the All Pro because it's Jackson
(38:00):
one hundred and nine with thirty first place votes. Josh
Allen was seventy eight with eighteen first place votes. Right,
if it was within five right, you know we talk
about normal range of errors, right, plus or minus three
to five percent, like you do when you do a
normal polling kind of situation, it would make more sense.
That's a pretty wide gap, Yeah, thirty first place votes
(38:23):
to eighteen, and now somehow that's flipped to twenty seven
and twenty three, right, Like, I don't know if you
can the only way I can see someone trying to
defend it is that Well for all Pro, I went
by who had the best year, but MVP, well, I
think Josh Allen's more valuable. What wait, isn't all Pro
the best player in his position?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Okay, so the best player at his position? There's someone
better when you're voting for MVP.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Well, but that's the thing, right you're parsing out between
I guess your criteria, right, is is all pro? Where
we're just saying from a from a stats perspective, because right,
a lot of what we've been discussing as well, he
had a better this, he had a better QB A,
he had all this, all of these things versus Okay,
what did you quote unquote mean to your team? And
(39:09):
I don't dismiss James Cook. We's been part of the
discussion that we've had on this show forever. But from
a receiving corps uh and and everything else, and expectations
coming into the year, which I think play a role
in it that you expected greatness from the Ravens, you
expected continuing like for the Bills, there was a giant
(39:30):
question mark right in terms of what they were gonna
get outside of Josh Allen's play this year, and you
know Cook was gonna be fine, but from a receiving corps,
there was really no massive expectation, right Kean Coleman coming
in a couple of tight ends good, not great, oft
injured somebody guys. But I think where I think where
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people are parsing through that, because I I can disagree
with your pick of Josh Allen, but I could respect
your vote.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I can't respect that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Well, you voted for one guy for all pro and
then you change your vote like, okay, so I'm not
going to vote for Jasha like I want to reward
both of them. We give Lamar Jackson bro Joshed the baby,
I mean, just like they did the suggested in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
But is it just the idea of.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Whatever you think the voting criterion is right, that they
aren't one and the same to ultimately crown the whatever
term best is in this regard. I would just be curious,
right for those folks that flipped right twenty seven, twenty
three and one thirty and eighteen in the other those
(40:41):
that flipped it's not right? What what jumped it? Or
did you just say wholla? They're both magnificent. We needed
to get them both an Award.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, we got better chance of getting wanted them to
talk than the guy that didn't vote for eachiro, I.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Think line we'll go ask Wolfson.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
She probably knows more on this developing story and the
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of minutes, But just to recap the big story that's
broken to the last hour, the two big NFL stories
which we're gonna have more on this coming up in
(01:01):
about twenty minutes. Eli Manning not selected the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Eric Allen gets in, Jared Allen gets in,
Steve Allen is voted in boy TV career he had
was fantastic. Sterling Sharp gets in and Antonio Gates get
in four only four get into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, and the big announcement moments ago that potentially
(01:22):
was ruined by CBS's Tracy Wolfson, Josh Allen is your
NFL MVP, winning over Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Saquon Barkley,
and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So you know what, which you think that's gonna make
him feel better.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
About the Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I wanted to stay.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I want to say, hey, you know what, here are
my MVP there, big guy.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But I didn't say Tyler Conklin. Come on. But look,
he was more valuable in a bunch of those games.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I told you, Josh Allen, just he had the he
had the two weeks where he accounted for a quarter
of his touchdowns, all.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right, I mean two weeks that they were great weeks.
They would count were a.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Big, high profile games, and I feel like voters saw
that game. It's okay, Well now I'm giving him the MVP.
I'm looking for a reason to give him the MVP,
because when you stack up the entire year, right supposed
to look at the entire year. Lamar Jackson out did
him everywhere. Everything that Josh Allen did, Lamar Jackson did
and did it a little bit better. Simoy Barkley had
(02:20):
had a year that we we rarely ever see running
back skeat right, like two thousand yard season for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
If he played the last week, he would.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Have broken Eric Dickerson's record, and it would have been
a lot as it would have been a lot of
debate whether he's the real record holder or not. I
think and I give Saquon Barkley a lot of credit
for going. You know what, I don't want that smoke.
I don't want people to say you didn't earn it,
you didn't play it. I don't want that to follow
me around. So I'm good to I'm good with what
I had. I mean, that's a that's an unbelieve that
that's a guy that carried the Eagles to a division
(02:50):
title when you had a quarterback supposed to be great
and just kind of sat back and you didn't have
great numbers from your receivers. You he carried that offense
all by himself.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But you have the argument from from many and maybe
I jump on board it a bit talking about the
greatness of that offensive line and how well that run
game has worked in the past, and again it's about
this year. So to my point of the expectations of
it all, we still thought the Eagles would be good,
did we not? Not that he'd get to two thousand yards?
(03:20):
What you thought he'd have a come in and have
a great year. That the offense, while it's not going
to be top flight because there's still a lot of
people that are not. Jalen hurts fans even going to
his second Super Bowl. Remember the last time we saw
him in the Super Bowl, he acquitted himself quite nicely.
That seems like a million years ago right now. But
for for the Eagles, we still expected wins. For the Ravens,
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you tried to do the hey, Josh Allen with his
ten touchdowns here Lamar Jackson. Five touchdowns against the Giants,
five touchdowns against the Buccaneers. So there's ten of his
touchdowns just if we want to at all.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because because this is two games back to back late
in the oh. Okay, this is because up till then
he hadn't had an unbelievable season. But he has these
two games back to back, and that's where voters said, oh,
this is what's swaying me towards him and not taking
the rest of the season into account.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You can pick a choose Gays go all this game.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
This could but if you want two games back to
back on national beating the Lions is a very big deal.
Is a big game. And so yeah, okay, after that,
I'm putting my ballot away.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Like he beat the hell out of the Giants a
four pack against the defenseless Cincinnati Bengals, Like I can
do that too. But yeah, towards the end of the season,
paying a little attention, right, jockeying for playoff position, jockeying
for seeding, all of those fun things that come to it.
And in the end, I again, it's a great metal stand.
(04:45):
It's nice to have you picked him before the season.
So I know you're defending your guy, you know, I know,
because you picked no forty touchdowns, cut his interceptions down
to six.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yes, six is greater than four. I get that, Lamar Jackson.
I had more touchdowns, he had less interceptions, he had
a higher quarterback and fort and he threw from more yards.
I mean, I he won the division. Josh Allen won
the division.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, what what do you supporting.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Cast and expectations? Jason, Okay, it all comes back to
how we do it. You could do your career achievement awards,
you like that, analogy that's shining. Cook had what sixteen
rushing touchdowns this year. I'm pretty sure he had a
pretty good support.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm not saying he had the one guy that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and okay, and Lamar Jackson, ha Derreck Henry So okay,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like I'm saying, like you could split, you're splitting hairs.
I'm not mad about it. In the end, I picked
the guy to win it. He wanted great, Uh could he?
Could you argue against him? Absolutely? Third, I'd have him third.
You can have him third all you want. I want third.
He's the guy talking away with the hard way I
have to vote to you get nothing. You just kept
talking about Garrett Wilson even in.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, that's on fun right because because that's now on tape,
because you're posteric, Because I want to tell you this,
it was it was me that actually voted in the
straw poll for Stephen A. Smith for a Democratic nomination
for president. UH In four years that was me that
voted for stephen A.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So I could do do we wanted? Do you like
to discussion? If I could do my impression of what
a debate would be like.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
We get into some interesting discussions my daughters and as
they get older.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
She actually asked me about him the other day.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh okay, I got that was a guy that used
to lose football debates to me and stop having me
on his show. You should have said, I can have
him call you, and I would have called and done
my stephen A.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, she's heard it before. Oh yeah, but would she
listen enough?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But when you but when you have a joke, it's
all it's always about not expecting it.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, if you're not expecting it will work out.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, But but it's still in the recesses of her mind.
Having heard some of those bits before. And I think
you've done the stephen A yelling at her on the
phone before. But yes, she brought up the because you know,
becoming more aware of the world around as a sixteen
year old and all the stuff. She even asked me today, Hey,
you know, what what do you think of the Kelsey
(06:54):
and Mahomes responses when asked about President Trump showing up
on Sunday. She goes, I have a lot of people
that are really mad. I go, well, she goes, You're
gonna call them dopes, aren't you? Like, well, perhaps Max is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Not gonna be my vice president. It's gonna be dan Orlovsky.
And I'll tell you one thing, you better be ready
for that debate as a vice president. Things of that nature,
like that day of.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Say stay.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I want to Grammy?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right, yeah, I think it did that act that want
to Grammy? That one best country album and one best
guy bet Beyonce. She's got to give it back.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I heard Kendrick Lamar is going to cover it on something.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're gonna open it with that, Like, what are the
betting odds that he opens with that?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So we'll have more NFL on the way.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We're gonna have Jason get Jason Colon, he's at the
NFL on her ceremony, pro Football Hall of Fame voter.
He can take us inside the whole decision Eli Manning
not a Hall of Fame, and how Josh Allen wins MVP.
But we got to tell you what's going on right
now at halftime of the Lakers and the Warriors, Uh,
we could just probably rack back the show from two
nights ago. And when I said, and we spent time
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on I'm pretty sure the Lakers are ready for the
Luca Era to begin, I'm pretty sure they're excited.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Luca Donzig didn't play tonight. He did go to the
uh middle of the floor and wave to the fans.
Oh yeah, uh. And you're upset because who was it
that that flex the game out Saturday when they thought
Luca was gonna make his debut for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
The Lakers again, we're gonna put We're gonna Lakers on.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mark Stein, who talked to us last night, said that
Luca's gonna make his debut on Monday. So it's gonna
be post Super Bowl Monday. Guys already the delay his return. Dude,
how much are we going to talk about the Super
Bowl Monday night? If Luca's playing his first game of
the year Acre on Monday, Ye lucky if it makes
the show zero?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean really boy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Uh, we we'll get back into that forty eight forty
seven Super Bowl that was decided by Taylor Swift throwing
a two point conversion. But Luca tonight, his first three shots.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Have done just on principle, the concept makes me sad
that we're even having that discussion.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But okay, so.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
The Lakers and the Warriors are at halftime. It was
the other night when the hapless Clippers fell victim with
our own Monci Bolangos in attendance. Had to watch the
Clippers just get boat race from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You know what, the Mavericks were refunding money after getting
rid of Luca. Sure, Monzie should have gotten a check
from Balm or walking.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Out the door after watching that day. She got to
be on the wall. So it was okay, yeah, that's great, hey,
but you're on the wall. No, no money back on there.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
She has to get to simulate Cutt into Anthony Davis's
eyebrows anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So it was a boat racing of the Lakers and
the Clippers. But now tonight Lakers and Warriors. Right, okay,
what do we got? Well, still no Jimmy Butler for
the Warriors, and of course no Lukadancic for the Lakers.
But Lebron James, of course was still playing. What kind
of night is Lebron James having? Before I tell you anything,
listen to what he did at the end of the
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first quarter.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
From the logo, heller it's right.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Put a little gold on each even Norm puls Oh Okay,
from the.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Logo says the three point king Steph Curry is in
the house. I'm gonna go ahead and get a few
off myself. A thirty four footer from Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
He's four for four from three point range.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
TNT on the column. That's where the producer gets into
the analyst's headphones and go shut up when Lebron's got
the ball at the end of the quarter, so we
can announce it. Okay, shut up, stop talking, so we
can announce that. You can talk all you want after
the quarter when we come back from commercial.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I guarantee you that's what happened. Garan, No, it's pretty good.
I do dig that. The first half for.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lebron twenty three points, eleven rebounds, five assists. He is
five out of six from three point range. The Lakers
lead the Warriors sixty nine forty nine. Steph Curry when
he sat down at the end of the second quarter
looked like when Ivan Drago sat down in like the
the eleventh round after Rocky going this guy just I
(11:11):
can't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He sat down and gave a big sigh, and I said, yeah,
he's given the Ivan Drago. He is like a piece
of iron, Like this is what Lebron is doing. The
last two nights have been all Lebron. Clearly Lebron knows,
hey still my team. For two more games before everybody
starts cheering for Luca.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Okay, five of fourteen, one of seven from three point
range for Steph Curry in the first half.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Here's the Lebron part of it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's the I'm gonna show you how great I am,
and I am gonna ball out from pillar to post,
and when it goes wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
If it goes wrong, it clearly isn't on me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, he's set it up now, Luca would be the
fall guy. You can't blame me because look how well
we're rolling right now.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
We're just cruising through teams. We're kicking ass. And look
how I got invigorated.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I am.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm hitting from the logo, I'm dominating, I'm doing the
ice in the bains. Yeah, but let me get let
me go. Your goes south.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
However, Lucas, however, one of those guys is going to
be a Laker and likely retire a Laker in about
I don't know, fifteen years, twelve years, whatever it is,
fifteen years, and that's not Lebron. James, Luka, Doncic is
the present and future of the Lakers. It's one thing
for Lebron to say, hey, we can blame Ad. Yeah,
(12:28):
I wanted to kind of seed the thing to a
d but Ad and Lebron knows, Hey, he's getting a
little bit older. He's thirty thirty one. How many more
years does he have? He has trouble staying on the floor. Hey,
he's okay with saying I can blame Ad because I'm
as much of the present and future as Ad is.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But Luca, now clearly this is good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
This is gonna outlast him, right, This is like Hamilton,
I want something that's gonna outlast me. This is going
to outlast Lebron with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
But if this goes really badly in this final stretch
of the second half into the playoffs, i e. Availability, cohesion,
whatever Lebron is, to my mind, part of it is showing, hey,
look I'm still at peak Lebron. Whatever that run is, right,
(13:13):
because we've had reports the last week or so leading
through all the trade speculation, one he joked about, hey,
I would have, you know, waved my no trade if
I didn't like this. Okay, cool, But there have been
some speculating that the end of next year is it
wherever he is in his you know, where he feels
physically whatever, that he's got one more run with Luca
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and whatever they are able to assemble.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But to my point is, look at the level he's
playing at.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It's the all right, I'm really going to amp it
up because all eyes are on us. Right, We've won
the week and we're actually talking about on court basketball,
so like, stop the presses and we're not killing it.
We're supposed to tell you how terrible it is because
you went to the positive. Sixty nine point little Lebron
the Warriors suck.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What is the wow?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You gotta find the positive in some things, man, I mean,
oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
No, no, no, I have to go back to the
end of someone there and you can just pick a
flower and go, oh what a beautiful flower.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, you just killed it. You killed it by picking it.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So you're happy now that flowers that's gonna die because
you picked it?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Would I be wrong? You had to have it, put
it in your wife's hair, and you're dancing around the
brown eyed girl. They had to do that, right, That
flower's gonna die.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That is always what was one of my problems with
going to the flower shop and buying said flowers, like.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, they got two days.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's uh, especially here in California. If you're doing it
anywhere near the holiday. Okay, you're getting raked out of
the coals. Yeah, okay, I can buy a nice big
flat screen TV for the cost of a dozen rows.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh you're talking about the cost. You're talking about the cost. No,
not that the flowers already cut and they've been oh okay.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No no, But also I mean they're dead. Okay, Well,
I mean you eat meat, don't you. You have a
storm by meat, don't you. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Okay, all right, same thing. Okay, it's not even not
even close. One is sustaining me a flower. It's not sustaining.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You give flowers of the right person that can sustain you. Yeah,
that buys you about an hour, Yeah, maybe two.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You have to buy different flowers.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
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Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Coming up next, storming out of the NFL Honors ceremony
to talk to US Pro Football Hall of Fame voter
Jason Cole. Why did Eli not get in? How did
Josh Allen win the MVP? That's next, Jason.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
And Mike Fox Jordan loves how Easy.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
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Speaker 3 (16:03):
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios. Big night
in the NFL Hall of Fame class at twenty twenty
five has been announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Sterling, Sharp
Antonio Gates, no Eli Manning. Meanwhile, Josh Allen wins NFL
(16:26):
MVP over Lamar Jackson in a really close vote. And
here's the interesting part that goes into what I said
about how sometimes the vote goes. It's a Lifetime Achievement Award.
They want, you know, we want to give Josh Allen
an award because we've already given it to Lamar Jackson twice.
Lamar Jackson was all Pro and Josh Allen wasn't sure.
Same voters, same voters for all Pro and Hall of
(16:48):
and MVP, and yet the vote changed so much that
Josh Allen beats Lamar Jackson. So wait, So Lamar Jackson's
all Pro, but he can't be MVP. So tell me
there wasn't some sort of I want to give Josh
Allen the MVP. Tell me there wasn't a little bit
about that.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, I mean it's not a you know, a life
life Lifetime original movie in this. I mean maybe one
his stats. The other is, uh, you know, looking at
it from some other prism.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Let's find out what prism that could be.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Because joining us now is a guy who busted out
of the NFL honor ceremony to talk to us here
on the show. He is, Hey, Pro Football Hall of
Fame voter. We'll get to the Hall of Fame in
a minute. It is thirty thirteen NFL analyst insider Jason Cale.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
What's happening buddy.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Life is beautiful, buy beautiful. All right, So you're at
the Eli Manning haters, what you think this is going
to be. That's what I'm sure you're that's you just
keep this up as like we're going to get the
leader of the anti Manning group.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Well he's not a cowboy though, J Cole. So I mean,
you know that's not part of the ultimate.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
V It is not part of the Yeah, okay, so
the other night, let's start with this.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Then this is where you want to start. We'll get to
the MVP in a minute.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Eli, I just you know, I don't have an MVP back.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No, I don't. I'm still gonna blame you.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
That's okay, that's fine. Okay, we know the ground rules
coming in.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Hall of Fame votes did not go Eli Manning's way.
You told us the other night. It was the biggest
debate about Eli Manning and his Pro Football Hall of
Fame candidacy.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Did this come down to Eli Manning's a Hall of Famer,
But boy, some people just didn't want to put him
in on the first ballot. I will vote for him
next year, but you know the other guys are first
ballot Hall of Famers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They deserve it a lot more.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I wouldn't necessarily say that. I think there are I
think that there's that's the middle ground. He'll probably get
in at some point, and I think there's some who
don't think he's a Hall of Famer at all. So
I don't know how many there are out there, But
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like you get forty nine people, you get forty nine
different attendance. I will say that in my own research,
when I surveyed four hundred and sixteen people played in
the NFL for you know, ten fifteen years coach in
the NFL or executives in the NFL, I mean twenty
six of those were Hall of famers. Elle finished, Manning
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finished fourth on that ballot with less than like forty
four percent of the support. So this was not a
great like, this is not a great group. Like Antonio
Gates was first to sixty eight percent, He was easily
the number one candidate, and then you got to like
Vinatieri and Kikley, and then it dropped down to Eli.
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When you're a first ballot guy, first ballot guy who
gets sixty percent minimum if not, he was seventy five
eighty ninety percent. Eli Manning is not his brother, not
by a long stretch of the imagination. You just say
his name, sit down, and the discussions over Eli's especially
when you put him up and neck up against other
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quarterbacks of the same era playing under the same rules,
you know, he lags behind a lot. I mean, there's
no MVP votes in there anywhere. There's like three, you know,
or four Pro Bowl appearances. There's I don't know if
there's a single All Pro in there, so I mean
there's some magical moments.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's two game drives and two times beating Tom Brady.
That's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, it is a pretty big deal, and it may
get him in the Hall of Fame. But some guys
have to wait, and that's okay. You know, Like I
don't understand the like there are other guys on this
ballot who I think were better players then than Eli
Manning who didn't get in, like Luke Keckley, better player
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than Eli Manning. Marshall Gander's resume screamed Hall of Fame.
But you guys think don't want to talk about those
guys because you know they're linebackers and offensive blindman.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I I go back to this Ja Cole.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When I think about it, to to make it not
to get too wrapped up in stuff, is that you
can't tell the story of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Without Eli manning it. Without Eli Antonio Gates. You can
tell this some of.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Those other guys I've never Yeah, I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We tell Maybe I should have been in that room.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, maybe you should have. Let's get a vote. Go
work at it, Go work at it.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I can't. I.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Hey, I didn't vote for each root for the Baseball
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I'm gonna come in here and screw this one up.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Too, exactly. No, I mean, I get your point. And
I'm not saying that he's not a Hall of Famer.
I'm not in that camp. But I'm also not in
the camp where it's like, oh, you know he did
this and these Super Bowls and you know, just put
a man automatically. I just as I have said, I
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said this many many times about Eli. Eli held up
his end of the bargain in New York. The two
super Bowls, the performances in the playoffs, everything he did
are just exemplary work. Absolutely, But there's a lot of
his career where he played on a Sunday like he
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had just woken up from a megakegger at the frat
house the night before, and like it could be great.
It could be five touchdowns and it could also be
five interceptions. You know, there's a lot of years in
there that it's like, it's just not spectacular. And when
you put it up against like Drew Brees and Aaron
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Rodgers and Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and a lot
of other guys, the consistency of level plays not there.
And I think that that's representative of how the room felt.
I'm not the only guy voted, and I vote for
him this year because I thought there were better guys
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on the ballot. But I think he's going to get in.
I mean, Bob Grief, he had to wait for five
or six years and he went back to back Super
Bowls and you went to three straight. Yeah, it's a
different era. I get it. But yeah, I get I
understand the history and all that other argument, it just
doesn't quite measure up on totality.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Longtime friend of the show joining us again live coming
out of the NFL Honors as our guy, Jason Cole
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all his books Amazon dot com. All tremendous reads that
your kid's not that special. Archie having that converse with
Eli right now, I.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Am, I am. I'm actually leaving that discussion.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You're going to lead that discussion tonight.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And then the John L. Way book that we've talked about.
I actually have just mailed a Jack L. Waycard that
I found in my collection to Jason Coles for busterity
and as a bookmark.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All right, so four guys get in Eric.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Allen nineteen years Sterling Sharp the Senior Committee, Why did
how did we not get to five guys?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And you know, content.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
A lot of people don't A lot of people don't understand.
They changed the voting procedures this year. So it used
to be that you got fifteen guys on the ballot.
You went from fifteen to ten, and then you went
from ten to five, and then it was simply a
thumbs up or thumbs down on the last five guys,
who usually essentially became a rubber stamp. What they did
this year because there were complaints from some of the
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guys in the Hall of Fame that they were putting
too many guys in the Hall of Fame. They essentially said,
you know, and complaints about the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Was there too many fights because they weren't getting the
same dollars for inscriptions, because too many guys were getting.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, your boy Eric Dickerson was leaving that fight. No,
it's there were complaints you know by some of the
guys who you know, we were in the Hall of Fame,
said the honor wasn't as special, and so they wanted
to make it harder to get in. So once you
get to seven, we had a final vote and you
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could vote for up to five guys to get in.
That person, whoever was, had to get eighty percent of
the vote. So if you do some simple math and
you split up the votes a little bit, it's really
hard to get more than three guys. They've made it really,
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really hard. And I didn't think the problem was with
the modern year guys. I thought the problem was with
the Senior Committee guys who had all all had twenty
years to get in. That was my personal opinion, and
only one of those guys got in this year. That
was Sterling Sharp out of five guys. And it was
even harder on the five because out of the five,
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is Can only went for three. So like Mike Homrand
didn't make it this year, and I think this was
like Mike Homegrand like that, Like to me, that was easy.
That should have been like a no brainer, like especially
when you consider like Coward just got in a few
years ago. I mean, Hongan, you know, lapse cour in
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terms of impact on the league and Ya and just
everything that he did. And I mean it's just kind
of silly in my viewpoint. But that's when you put
in these new rules. That's what happened. And I don't
think that they've sort of beta tested these new rules
to find out how it was going to come out,
and this is you know, this is the result. I'll
(27:01):
say this. We looked at the Hall of Fame selling
tickets on those four guys, so.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That ceremony packer fans all over the place.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And before we get to MVP, I just want to
point out that you said, look, Eli's not Peyton, he
doesn't get in the Hall of Fame, Sterling's not Shinn
and then he got in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So maybe a quick a goal both ways for you there,
Ja Cole.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, he waited twenty six years to get there. That's fine,
and next year's.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
An okay, Okay, in twenty six years, if Eli Manning
is not in the Hall of Fame, okay right now,
he didn't get in tonight, So stop your crying, and man,
I mean seriously, Like you know, I love Elie Manning.
I think he's a great player, and he.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
May have his moments a very good player. You think
he's a very good player like that?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yes, I do think he's a very good player. I
also think he's a great player. Keep at it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
All right, Well let's go here now, because I know
you didn't vote. Well, you're very defensive. I think maybe
you think you made the wrong choice. I think maybe
that's what's happening.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
To you here. Choice all now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Take us, take us behind this, because this is becoming
a thing now. Lamar Jackson is the gets all Pro,
same voters for all Pro, same voters for MVP. First
time since twenty twelve. The All Pro quarterback doesn't win,
doesn't win the MVP. Do how do people change their
votes from all pro? Enough people from all pro to MVP.
(28:38):
I feel like there's a lot of guys that simply
wanted to give Josh Allen the MVP, so they did.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I guess, Yeah, hard hitting there it is. I guess Okay,
I mean, well, I told you I don't vote for
that award, right, and I didn't talk to anybody about
that award.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And it's still your fault. You're on with us now.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Exactly we blame you. I don't. I don't have a book.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But if but if you did have a boat combination of.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Justice, what has happened to march at what you've done?
I don't. I don't. I don't have a vote, But
you have part of this.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
You're part of the machine.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
I don't. I don't. I don't have the boat. Literally don't.
I don't have a vote. Okay, you think I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
But if you had to choose, if you had to choose, if.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I if you had to choose what you've done this Obamas,
we know you would have done it. We need you
on that wall. I mean, I'm dropping in the nickel. Yeah,
I don't get it either. It's not really logical to me.
But I will say, at the end of the day,
I thought this is as close an MVP race as
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I've ever seen. Like when Peyton and McNair tied. This
is pretty close, so maybe this is the way of
settling it. I don't really buy that. I thought at
the end of the day, if I had to vote,
I would have voted for Lamar Jackson. But man, that
would have been really hard because I thought that Josh
Allen had probably done more with less and had improved
(30:24):
in all the significant ways. So I might have ended
up voting for Josh Allen too. But I'll say this,
if I had voted for one for MVP, I probably
would have voted for him for first Team All Pro. Yeah, Like,
I think that that would have been consistent. So yeah,
I agree with you on that one. You win that argument.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He is a profession Hall of Fame voter. He is
also a voter for MVP in the NFL. He's a
Hall of Fame voter for Major League Baseball. He votes
for All Pro in the NFL as well.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I'm the guy who voted against you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I guy any votes for the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's Chase and Cole. Jake Cole is always by. Thanks
for hopping out. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
We'll talk to you. Enjoy the game this week. Say you, buddy.
There goes Jay Cole.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, that's a thing to get into now, is how
Josh Allen wins when people have changed their votes? Apparently
right now, we'll talk to someone who has been compared
to an All Pro MVP voter. One week she thinks
one thing, another week she thinks another. The information change,
it's monzi blago, what's s trending facts?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yes, I changed my mind a lot about things. I
am changing my mind right now about the Clippers, if
I'm being honest, because the Pacers outscored them in the second.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Quarter forty two to nineteen.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Pacers, I know, are up now on the Clippers at
halftime sixty four to sixty one. The Kings are beating
the Trailblazers seventy one sixty seven with five minutes to
go in.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The third, and the Warriors are.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Outscoring the Lakers in the third quarter as well, not
as bad as the Clippers and the Pacers, but the
Warriors scored twenty three late just ten. Lakers are still
up seventy nine to seventy two about five minutes to
go in the third. Lebron James twenty nine points and
fifteen rebounds, Anthony Edwards yesterday had forty nine points. Today
he had forty one points and the Timberwolves defeated the Rockets,
won twenty seven to one fourteen. Another triple double day
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for Nicola Jokic twenty eight points, ten rebounds, twelve assists
as the Nuggets defeated the Magic one twelve to ninety
and the Mavericks took down the Celtics in Boston, won
twenty seven to one twenty. No Anthony Davis yet for Dallas,
but they're hopeful that he's going to be able to
start on Saturday at home against Houston.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
In case you missed some of the trades that happened today,
just give you a few of the big ones. As
the NBA trade deadline was at three eastern, the Hawks
traded forward DeAndre Hunter to the Calves. The Clippers traded
Terrence Mann and Boems Highland to the Hawks for Bogdan Bargdanovich.
They're also sending Kevin Porter to the Bucks. Dennis Shrewder
is now headed to the Pistons. This was part of
that Jimmy Butler trade that happened yesterday that with the
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Golden State Warriors and Utah. Well, he's headed to the
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Allen somehow wins MVP when voters did not vote for
him for First Team All Pro Quarterback? Wait what yeah,
same voters votes.
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Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon. More job up Livematireck dot com Studios. Hey,
at least we're talking football. Yeah, we're past the NBA trades.
Josh Allen is your NFL MVP and one of the
closest votes we have ever seen. Twenty seven first places votes,
(35:29):
twenty three for Lamar Jackson. Allen wins it three hundred
and eighty three points to three hundred and sixty two points.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Earlier in the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Show, right when it was announced, I said, I feel
like a lot of voters just wanted to give it
to Josh Allen because Lamar Jackson out everything to him.
Everything that Josh Allen did, Lamar Jackson did a little
bit more of, and that sometimes it gets to a
point where, hey, we want to reward him for the
career he is having, so we can give him the
MVP this year. I was just making it up because
(36:01):
what we found out as this vote goes with this total,
there's a little bit of an inconsistency because it's the
exact same people who vote for All Pro end for MVP.
Of course, Lamar Jackson was your All Pro quarterback, which
is the best player at their position throughout the NFL.
(36:21):
So Lamar Jackson wins the vote at all Pro, yet
somehow he's not the MVP. That's not right because some
people change their votes from Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen
for whatever reason, and it doesn't make sense other than
I just want to give the MVP to Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I'd be curious to you know, if you had more
than one guy to vote for otherwise, right, categorically right,
If you sleep on it, is there someone at another
position where you might end up getting to the same conclusion.
I'm like, you know what I thought about it a
little bit more, and I like this running back that
I voted all pro a little less three days later.
(37:01):
I would have changed three days ago. Can I change
that voto? But you mean you sleep on it? Maybe
you hear another argument, Maybe you haven't, you know, a
drunken discussion, you had some cocktails, you had a cocktails.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I don't know, you had a whole year to look
at the guys and decide who you're voting for him to.
Some people just wanted to give Josh Allen the MVP.
Lamar Jackson already had two We should give one to
Josh Allen, because there's no way the math doesn't math
where you're where you can say he can somehow get
more vote. Lamar Jackson's not getting first team All Pro
(37:34):
about more votes first place votes than Josh Allen. Josh
Allen flips it with more first place votes than Lamar
jacks And I think to punctuate your point and to
support it in this, you know, trying to go one
and compare apples to apples, there's there's a lot of
folks that flipped. Right, This isn't a This was a
really close vote for the All Pro because it's Jackson
(38:00):
one hundred and nine with thirty first place votes. Josh
Allen was seventy eight with eighteen first place votes. Right,
if it was within five right, you know we talk
about normal range of errors, right, plus or minus three
to five percent, like you do when you do a
normal polling kind of situation, it would make more sense.
That's a pretty wide gap, Yeah, thirty first place votes
(38:23):
to eighteen, and now somehow that's flipped to twenty seven
and twenty three, right, Like, I don't know if you
can the only way I can see someone trying to
defend it is that Well for all Pro, I went
by who had the best year, but MVP, well, I
think Josh Allen's more valuable. What wait, isn't all Pro
the best player in his position?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Okay, so the best player at his position? There's someone
better when you're voting for MVP.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Well, but that's the thing, right you're parsing out between
I guess your criteria, right, is is all pro? Where
we're just saying from a from a stats perspective, because right,
a lot of what we've been discussing as well, he
had a better this, he had a better QB A,
he had all this, all of these things versus Okay,
what did you quote unquote mean to your team? And
(39:09):
I don't dismiss James Cook. We's been part of the
discussion that we've had on this show forever. But from
a receiving corps uh and and everything else, and expectations
coming into the year, which I think play a role
in it that you expected greatness from the Ravens, you
expected continuing like for the Bills, there was a giant
(39:30):
question mark right in terms of what they were gonna
get outside of Josh Allen's play this year, and you
know Cook was gonna be fine, but from a receiving corps,
there was really no massive expectation, right Kean Coleman coming
in a couple of tight ends good, not great, oft
injured somebody guys. But I think where I think where
(39:53):
people are parsing through that, because I I can disagree
with your pick of Josh Allen, but I could respect
your vote.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I can't respect that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Well, you voted for one guy for all pro and
then you change your vote like, okay, so I'm not
going to vote for Jasha like I want to reward
both of them. We give Lamar Jackson bro Joshed the baby,
I mean, just like they did the suggested in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
But is it just the idea of.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Whatever you think the voting criterion is right, that they
aren't one and the same to ultimately crown the whatever
term best is in this regard. I would just be curious,
right for those folks that flipped right twenty seven, twenty
three and one thirty and eighteen in the other those
(40:41):
that flipped it's not right? What what jumped it? Or
did you just say wholla? They're both magnificent. We needed
to get them both an Award.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, we got better chance of getting wanted them to
talk than the guy that didn't vote for eachiro, I.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Think line we'll go ask Wolfson.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
She probably knows more on this developing story and the
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