Today on Politics Wednesday Ginny Andersen and Mark Mitchell joined Heather du Plessis-Allan to discuss the biggest stories of the week so far.
They discussed the conflict in the Middle East, Damien O’Connor’s ill-advised tweet, and point the finger as to who’s to blame for the Dunedin Hospital mess.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Politics Wednesday with us. Now I've got Mark Mitchell and
Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello you too, Hey, good morning, hither morning morning, good morning,
and congratulations here right here there, I'm being on the
hot seat. That's awesome to see there.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I thought you were going to congratulate me on being pregnant, Jinny,
which feels like more of an achievement completely, to.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be honest, I didn't even know their congratulations and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
That you know. I'll tell you what, Ginny. You've had babies,
haven't you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I have.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I've had toast.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Waking up at two thirty five days in a row
when you're pregnant is an absolute punished man. I've got
to tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, have you and you've got on those big pillows
that you kind of liign.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've got to have pillows on either side, yeah, because
you've got to have a pillow on the front to
stabilize you, because that's that's like a it's like you
can't leave forward now. But then you need a pillow
with the back so you don't roll on your back
and kill your baby over you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hey, But I got to give a shout out to
Barry here for all the amazing support that he's given you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hither yea, the amazing support you imagine is happening.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Don't go there.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
To be fair, to be fair, breakfasts are taken care of,
getting the other one up in the morning. It's all fine.
I get there. I get there after half past nine,
and it's the calmest situation I've ever walked into. So
I don't know what my influence on the family is,
but it's not a good one. Listen, Jinny on this
business with Chris Luxon and his apartments sale. Do you
have a problem with the sale of the apartment in
(01:17):
the capital gains tax that he should or should not
have paid.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
No, I mean that's a law. I mean there's a
law in place, and if he's abided by the law,
if he's broken the law, and then maybe I think
the bit that's hard is that people doing it tough,
who can't afford groceries or struggling to pay rent or
get stuff for kids going to school. I think it's
a bit hard for people to see that and seat
of makes sense in their own lives. But he's not
(01:41):
made a mistake or done anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So he's a fabulously wealthy man. I mean, you know,
this is what fabulously wealthy people do. They sell their
places and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Look, he's done everything right by the book, and I
think he can't be critical of someone if they haven't
broken the law.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I just the thing is like Chris Lutson's. He was
a key we kid that grew up in a household
with his mum and there worked really hard. He worked hard,
he got himself educated. He's done well internationally. We should
celebrate that. You know, we should be encouraging our kids
to do the same things.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, I tell you what I feel him match, I
feel a little bit. I actually don't often feel sorry
for politicians, but I'm starting to feel a little bit
sorry for Chris Luckson because I feel like this guy
can't copper break. We're moan at him because he doesn't
want to live in Premier House and he's drawing him
down an allowance, and then when he finally moves into
Premier House, which is going to be a punish in winter,
then we moaned him because he sold his apartment and
(02:37):
made him look money off it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I can tell you about Chris Lutson. He loves this country.
He's working hard to make us a better country and
realize our potential, and he's fully focused on that and
he's just getting on with it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Jenny, listen, have you got any intel on us?
For us? We's Darebi been flying to that she's racked
up a spill of thirty nine thousand and three months.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not in the multi party.
I'm not prived I can tell you what labor party happens.
Because if anyone's in the top five, you've got to
be ready to answer some questions about what where you
went and what you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Did to the media, Like the media came to you,
like with WILLI. Right, So Willie racked up about twenty
four k or something in three months, and he fronted up.
He was like, this is where I spent it. I
went to the Oxford debate in London. Is that your rule?
You have to answer the questions?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, you'd have to. If you're going to do a
trip of that size, you would have a pre approach.
So you go and talk and say what you're going
to do. But you know there's some people who live
like Far North, and the trips are expensive, so they
typically wrack up a bit more, or if they have
kids or things like that that they're bringing. But if
you're out of the normal, you need to go and say, look, hey,
this thing happened and I had to do it at
(03:42):
the last minute. That's the reason. Yeah, but otherwise no
one wants to have that conversation with their whips. And
you're very careful about booking things in advance so you
get the best rate and making sure you keep yourself
well under the cap.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I can hear you huffing, that's why are you having
no no.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, it was just just it's test post by and
I just think there's got to be a high level
of transparency. I think every member of Parliament needs to
think very very carefully before they spend even one dollar
because it is tax PAS money in this an expectation
that it is used wisely.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, this is the thing, right is that the last
I saw the Maori Party and Debbie weren't answering any
questions about this. That's not good enough though, because that's
actually what the rules are. Much do we not need
to change the rules so there is some transparency about
what gets funneled through parliamentary services.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I do think, I do think there should just
be a natural high level of transparency with members of
Parliament in terms have been transparent where that money has
been spent, what they've done. That's just the right thing
to do. If the rules need to be changed, obviously
that's something that you know, whoever deals with that needs
to look at. But just on a personal basis, they
should be transparent.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah. We also where is she going? Because she only
has to go to Wanganui, doesn't she from willing to
It's not even a flight, it's a drive.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, the only thing that I would say is that
MPs do travel around the country, particularly on recess weeks
in terms of their portfolio or you know, so there
will be some travel around the country for that. But
just be transparented around it because you show the meetings
that you've attended, what you've done. You know, it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, this is true. Just got a little update from
I think it's the Department of State over in the
US that there is there was no warning from Iran
before this attack on Israel overnight. Speaking of which, Mitch,
what's up with Damian O'Connor's tweet on you on the
Israel situation.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, well, I mean he obviously he deleted that, and
it showed poor judgment. I mean, I know Damien really
well and I'm not sure what he was thinking there,
but it showed real poor judgment coming out and basically endorsing,
you know, the atrosses that we all saw on October.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Seventh, because that's how you'd have to read it, right,
that sounded like exactly what he was saying. Jinny. This
is not the first time that a member of the
Labor Party has made a misstep like this. Do you
guys just need to not tweet about it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think look in an intentative areas like that, you
need to really carefully think through what you're going to
put out there. And I think Damien saw that it
wasn't the best idea and that's why he's removed it.
But it actually goes that he just feels incredibly strongly
that the government isn't doing enough in this space, and
I think that's that's why he did it. But I
(06:13):
think he's acknowledged it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I like I realized him. I realized I'm taking this
potentially a step further than it has been taken. But
the problem is, Ginny, I reckon because of the carry
on from the Labor Party in the UK with all
the anti Semitism and stuff. Everybody's watching you guys to
see if you hold similar views, and so far Duncan
and Damien's tweets have kind of made sent a worrying signal,
(06:35):
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Look, I think there's some really strong feelings out there
in the public and we hear those loud and clear
because people come to us with their concerns. It would
be one of the top is shoes. I get contacted
over social media or emails and people really feel it's
intolerable to see civilians continued to suffer so disproportionately. And
I think that's where that high passion comes from.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And I think that's where we and that's where we
have to be as as members of Parliament, politicians responsible
in what we do. And you know, and none of
us want to see the current conflict that's going on
between Israel and Hamas and his blow and it's escalating.
It's a major concern and look of our Deputy Prime
Minister Wins and Peter's doing the outstanding job on the
(07:20):
world stage in terms of advancing our thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Mitch, Listen, You've been in conflict zones and stuff in
your time in past lives. Are you worried about what
you're seeing you?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I'm very worried about it. So I was up in
Dubai recently. I've been involved in trying to get aid
into Gaza because that's what I did in my job,
and I am very concerned about it, and I think
it's bad for the Middle East. It's terrible for Israel,
for the Palestinians, and but for the region more, region
more broadly. But of course, you know global instability. So
(07:52):
I am very worried about it, and I'd like to
see caller heads prevail and leaders step forward and moves
towards getting back around. I know it's very difficult and
arts very challenging, but we've got to get it back
onto a pathway towards a two states solution and peace.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Absolutely, Jenny, Where do we go with the Dunedin hospital situation?
Tell me what you think happens from here.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's really tough because there's such high feeling in public
about wanting to have a resolution in the numbers we
saw in the streets over the last few days as
representative that people want some solutions. So I think there's
a big ass for the government to not break that
promise and to continue on track to provide it that
(08:31):
the South is feeling really starved of love, and that's
on top of having job losses. Having this hospital not
go ahead as a real kick in the guards.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, the hospital. The hospital is going ahead, but again
it's through awful mismanagement of the prior government that you've
had a massive cost blow There's been a massive cost
blow out Genny on just about every single project that
you guys haven't delivered because you're meant to have started
that in twenty twenty. Fair So the government absolutely exactly
(09:02):
like the Fairies. And so this government's had to pivot.
We've had to change. We are going to be building
a new de need hospital, but we're going to have
to be doing it within a budget that actually the country.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Can afford, which Iah Oh sorry, I was just going
to say here that there's got to become a point
where were this government and Mark start taking responsibility for
their own decisions.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They just keeping for it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
If they just keep blaming the previous government. People see
straight through there. You know they gave two point nine
billion dollars in tax carts to landlords and this hospital
rebuild would have cost three So there's your money right there.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You don't know how to manage projects, you don't know
how to deliver project and we're making decisions. We're making
decisions are responsible for us as a country, and we're
doing it within our means in terms of what we
can afford as a country, and we will deliver it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'll tell you what match I think. I think both
of you guys have got a point right. I know
Labour absolutely mismanaged, but what is happening right now is
something completely different which your government is going to wear
if you guys don't sort this out, which is the
choices that you're making right, because you can't spare three
billion on a hospital, but you can spend two billion
on a highway in Wellington and you can spend three
billion on getting the tax settings right for landlords, and
(10:07):
that those choices are your problem. How do you defend that?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, it's easy. We're going to We're investing into the
infrastructure that we need as a country to get us
more productive and to create better lives in a high
wage economy. So yes, and we're going to deliver a
the need and hospital. We're going to deliver world class
to need in hospital. I think it's going to be
one of the most money spent on a hospital in
the Southern Hemisphere. However, it's going to be one that
we as a country can afford because unlike labor, who
(10:32):
thinks you just go back and keep appropriating more money
and borrowing more money, we can't afford that as a country.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So the gold standard has gone. No more gold standard fairies,
nor more gold standard hospital. We just kind of cut
a cloth built towards.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, you can still have world class, gold standard infrastructure,
but you can have it built at we're going to spend.
We're going to spend. We're going to spend the money
on it that we can afford as a country. We
can't continue to do what labor was doing and borrowing
incessantly and dry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
We get to borrow least. You're going to scheme list
and you're going to deliver more. Those three things. Is
that the Bermuda triangle just well, people see through that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, we're definitely going to deliver more because you guys
delivered nothing, so absolutely we're going to deliver more.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Guys say great, great to chat to the pair of
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Politics Wednesday with us. Now I've got Mark Mitchell and
Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello you too, Hey, good morning, hither morning morning, good morning,
and congratulations here right here there, I'm being on the
hot seat. That's awesome to see there.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I thought you were going to congratulate me on being pregnant, Jinny,
which feels like more of an achievement completely, to.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be honest, I didn't even know their congratulations and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
That you know. I'll tell you what, Ginny. You've had babies,
haven't you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I have.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I've had toast.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Waking up at two thirty five days in a row
when you're pregnant is an absolute punished man. I've got
to tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, have you and you've got on those big pillows
that you kind of liign.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've got to have pillows on either side, yeah, because
you've got to have a pillow on the front to
stabilize you, because that's that's like a it's like you
can't leave forward now. But then you need a pillow
with the back so you don't roll on your back
and kill your baby over you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hey, But I got to give a shout out to
Barry here for all the amazing support that he's given you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hither yea, the amazing support you imagine is happening.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Don't go there.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
To be fair, to be fair, breakfasts are taken care of,
getting the other one up in the morning. It's all fine.
I get there. I get there after half past nine,
and it's the calmest situation I've ever walked into. So
I don't know what my influence on the family is,
but it's not a good one. Listen, Jinny on this
business with Chris Luxon and his apartments sale. Do you
have a problem with the sale of the apartment in
(01:17):
the capital gains tax that he should or should not
have paid.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
No, I mean that's a law. I mean there's a
law in place, and if he's abided by the law,
if he's broken the law, and then maybe I think
the bit that's hard is that people doing it tough,
who can't afford groceries or struggling to pay rent or
get stuff for kids going to school. I think it's
a bit hard for people to see that and seat
of makes sense in their own lives. But he's not
(01:41):
made a mistake or done anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So he's a fabulously wealthy man. I mean, you know,
this is what fabulously wealthy people do. They sell their
places and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Look, he's done everything right by the book, and I
think he can't be critical of someone if they haven't
broken the law.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I just the thing is like Chris Lutson's. He was
a key we kid that grew up in a household
with his mum and there worked really hard. He worked hard,
he got himself educated. He's done well internationally. We should
celebrate that. You know, we should be encouraging our kids
to do the same things.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, I tell you what I feel him match, I
feel a little bit. I actually don't often feel sorry
for politicians, but I'm starting to feel a little bit
sorry for Chris Luckson because I feel like this guy
can't copper break. We're moan at him because he doesn't
want to live in Premier House and he's drawing him
down an allowance, and then when he finally moves into
Premier House, which is going to be a punish in winter,
then we moaned him because he sold his apartment and
(02:37):
made him look money off it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I can tell you about Chris Lutson. He loves this country.
He's working hard to make us a better country and
realize our potential, and he's fully focused on that and
he's just getting on with it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Jenny, listen, have you got any intel on us?
For us? We's Darebi been flying to that she's racked
up a spill of thirty nine thousand and three months.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not in the multi party.
I'm not prived I can tell you what labor party happens.
Because if anyone's in the top five, you've got to
be ready to answer some questions about what where you
went and what you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Did to the media, Like the media came to you,
like with WILLI. Right, So Willie racked up about twenty
four k or something in three months, and he fronted up.
He was like, this is where I spent it. I
went to the Oxford debate in London. Is that your rule?
You have to answer the questions?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, you'd have to. If you're going to do a
trip of that size, you would have a pre approach.
So you go and talk and say what you're going
to do. But you know there's some people who live
like Far North, and the trips are expensive, so they
typically wrack up a bit more, or if they have
kids or things like that that they're bringing. But if
you're out of the normal, you need to go and say, look, hey,
this thing happened and I had to do it at
(03:42):
the last minute. That's the reason. Yeah, but otherwise no
one wants to have that conversation with their whips. And
you're very careful about booking things in advance so you
get the best rate and making sure you keep yourself
well under the cap.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I can hear you huffing, that's why are you having
no no.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, it was just just it's test post by and
I just think there's got to be a high level
of transparency. I think every member of Parliament needs to
think very very carefully before they spend even one dollar
because it is tax PAS money in this an expectation
that it is used wisely.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, this is the thing, right is that the last
I saw the Maori Party and Debbie weren't answering any
questions about this. That's not good enough though, because that's
actually what the rules are. Much do we not need
to change the rules so there is some transparency about
what gets funneled through parliamentary services.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I do think, I do think there should just
be a natural high level of transparency with members of
Parliament in terms have been transparent where that money has
been spent, what they've done. That's just the right thing
to do. If the rules need to be changed, obviously
that's something that you know, whoever deals with that needs
to look at. But just on a personal basis, they
should be transparent.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah. We also where is she going? Because she only
has to go to Wanganui, doesn't she from willing to
It's not even a flight, it's a drive.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, the only thing that I would say is that
MPs do travel around the country, particularly on recess weeks
in terms of their portfolio or you know, so there
will be some travel around the country for that. But
just be transparented around it because you show the meetings
that you've attended, what you've done. You know, it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, this is true. Just got a little update from
I think it's the Department of State over in the
US that there is there was no warning from Iran
before this attack on Israel overnight. Speaking of which, Mitch,
what's up with Damian O'Connor's tweet on you on the
Israel situation.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, well, I mean he obviously he deleted that, and
it showed poor judgment. I mean, I know Damien really
well and I'm not sure what he was thinking there,
but it showed real poor judgment coming out and basically endorsing,
you know, the atrosses that we all saw on October.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Seventh, because that's how you'd have to read it, right,
that sounded like exactly what he was saying. Jinny. This
is not the first time that a member of the
Labor Party has made a misstep like this. Do you
guys just need to not tweet about it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think look in an intentative areas like that, you
need to really carefully think through what you're going to
put out there. And I think Damien saw that it
wasn't the best idea and that's why he's removed it.
But it actually goes that he just feels incredibly strongly
that the government isn't doing enough in this space, and
I think that's that's why he did it. But I
(06:13):
think he's acknowledged it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I like I realized him. I realized I'm taking this
potentially a step further than it has been taken. But
the problem is, Ginny, I reckon because of the carry
on from the Labor Party in the UK with all
the anti Semitism and stuff. Everybody's watching you guys to
see if you hold similar views, and so far Duncan
and Damien's tweets have kind of made sent a worrying signal,
(06:35):
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Look, I think there's some really strong feelings out there
in the public and we hear those loud and clear
because people come to us with their concerns. It would
be one of the top is shoes. I get contacted
over social media or emails and people really feel it's
intolerable to see civilians continued to suffer so disproportionately. And
I think that's where that high passion comes from.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And I think that's where we and that's where we
have to be as as members of Parliament, politicians responsible
in what we do. And you know, and none of
us want to see the current conflict that's going on
between Israel and Hamas and his blow and it's escalating.
It's a major concern and look of our Deputy Prime
Minister Wins and Peter's doing the outstanding job on the
(07:20):
world stage in terms of advancing our thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Mitch, Listen, You've been in conflict zones and stuff in
your time in past lives. Are you worried about what
you're seeing you?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I'm very worried about it. So I was up in
Dubai recently. I've been involved in trying to get aid
into Gaza because that's what I did in my job,
and I am very concerned about it, and I think
it's bad for the Middle East. It's terrible for Israel,
for the Palestinians, and but for the region more, region
more broadly. But of course, you know global instability. So
(07:52):
I am very worried about it, and I'd like to
see caller heads prevail and leaders step forward and moves
towards getting back around. I know it's very difficult and
arts very challenging, but we've got to get it back
onto a pathway towards a two states solution and peace.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Absolutely, Jenny, Where do we go with the Dunedin hospital situation?
Tell me what you think happens from here.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's really tough because there's such high feeling in public
about wanting to have a resolution in the numbers we
saw in the streets over the last few days as
representative that people want some solutions. So I think there's
a big ass for the government to not break that
promise and to continue on track to provide it that
(08:31):
the South is feeling really starved of love, and that's
on top of having job losses. Having this hospital not
go ahead as a real kick in the guards.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, the hospital. The hospital is going ahead, but again
it's through awful mismanagement of the prior government that you've
had a massive cost blow There's been a massive cost
blow out Genny on just about every single project that
you guys haven't delivered because you're meant to have started
that in twenty twenty. Fair So the government absolutely exactly
(09:02):
like the Fairies. And so this government's had to pivot.
We've had to change. We are going to be building
a new de need hospital, but we're going to have
to be doing it within a budget that actually the country.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Can afford, which Iah Oh sorry, I was just going
to say here that there's got to become a point
where were this government and Mark start taking responsibility for
their own decisions.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They just keeping for it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
If they just keep blaming the previous government. People see
straight through there. You know they gave two point nine
billion dollars in tax carts to landlords and this hospital
rebuild would have cost three So there's your money right there.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You don't know how to manage projects, you don't know
how to deliver project and we're making decisions. We're making
decisions are responsible for us as a country, and we're
doing it within our means in terms of what we
can afford as a country, and we will deliver it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'll tell you what match I think. I think both
of you guys have got a point right. I know
Labour absolutely mismanaged, but what is happening right now is
something completely different which your government is going to wear
if you guys don't sort this out, which is the
choices that you're making right, because you can't spare three
billion on a hospital, but you can spend two billion
on a highway in Wellington and you can spend three
billion on getting the tax settings right for landlords, and
(10:07):
that those choices are your problem. How do you defend that?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, it's easy. We're going to We're investing into the
infrastructure that we need as a country to get us
more productive and to create better lives in a high
wage economy. So yes, and we're going to deliver a
the need and hospital. We're going to deliver world class
to need in hospital. I think it's going to be
one of the most money spent on a hospital in
the Southern Hemisphere. However, it's going to be one that
we as a country can afford because unlike labor, who
(10:32):
thinks you just go back and keep appropriating more money
and borrowing more money, we can't afford that as a country.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So the gold standard has gone. No more gold standard fairies,
nor more gold standard hospital. We just kind of cut
a cloth built towards.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, you can still have world class, gold standard infrastructure,
but you can have it built at we're going to spend.
We're going to spend. We're going to spend the money
on it that we can afford as a country. We
can't continue to do what labor was doing and borrowing
incessantly and dry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
We get to borrow least. You're going to scheme list
and you're going to deliver more. Those three things. Is
that the Bermuda triangle just well, people see through that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, we're definitely going to deliver more because you guys
delivered nothing, so absolutely we're going to deliver more.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Guys say great, great to chat to the pair of
you really appreciate us back Mitchell, Ginny Anderson Politics Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
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